The Georgia High School Association will place schools in regions for the 2010-14 academic years on Dec. 2. Each day this week, the GHSF Daily staff is going to look at a different classification and tell you how we’d do the regions, starting with Class AAAAA.
These are not projections. We’d have more luck predicting the exact scores of every game this week than how the GHSA will divide up the regions. Our goal is simply to bring to light some of the questions and challenges that define the GHSA’s task next week.
Here’s how we’d do Class AAAAA:
1-AAAAA (6 teams)
Camden County (moved from 3-AAAAA)
Coffee
Colquitt County
Lowndes
Tift County
Valdosta (playing up)
Going down: Houston County, Northside, Warner Robins
Notes: Four current 1-AAAAA schools were assigned to Class AAAA because of declining enrollment. Schools may choose to play in higher classes than the ones they’ve been assigned. We expect Valdosta to play up while the Houston County schools (Warner Robins, Northside, Houston County) play in AAAA. Do we think the GHSA is going to put Camden County in this region? We’ll believe it when we see it. But here’s the logic: The average road trip for Camden County in the new Region 1-AAAAA would be 121 miles. The average trip in Region 3-AAAAA would be 107 miles. But in 1-AAAAA, there are only five opponents. Let’s do the math: Five road trips times 121 miles is 606. Seven road trips times 107 miles is 749. In other words, Camden will travel less in a six-team Region 1-AAAAA than an eight-team Region 3-AAAAA. We realize that Camden pays many Savannah schools to give up their home football games and come to Camden, but that’s irrelevant because the travel for the region overall is the same whether Savannah comes to Camden County or vice-versa. GHSF Daily asked Camden County football coach and athletics director Jeff Herron about his school moving to Region 1. His answer: “I still don’t see how we could with the consideration we must give to the other sports. It would force all of our other sports to play all of their games on the weekends [because of long travel on week days]. But, with that few of schools [in Region 1], the region schedule might be easier to pull off. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.”
2-AAAAA (7)
Luella
M.L. King
Newton
Redan (playing up)
Shiloh (moved from 8-AAAAA)
South Gwinnett (moved from 8-AAAAA)
Stephenson (playing up)
Going down: Douglass, Greenbrier, Union Grove
Notes: Five of the eight current Region 2 schools have been dropped to AAAA, leaving Luella, M.L. King and Newton as the only legitimate AAAAA schools. We suspect Stephenson and Redan will play up and remain with M.L. King, their DeKalb County neighbor. We see Douglass, Greenbrier and Union Grove taking the plunge, although Union Grove might want to stay with fellow Henry County school Luella. Regardless, the big question is how to fill out this depleted region. There are two ways to do it: One is to merge what’s left of Region 2 with what’s left of Region 4, as both regions lost significant membership. That would form a catch-all southside metro Atlanta region that stretches 67 miles from Newnan to Covington. The alternative? Force some Gwinnett County schools to join. Those Gwinnett schools that border DeKalb (in order of the likelihood of joining Region 4) are South Gwinnett, Shiloh, Parkview, Meadowcreek and Norcross. It’s only 42 miles from Luella to South Gwinnett. Also don’t rule out Brookwood and Grayson, though neither borders DeKalb.
3-AAAAA (7)
Beach (playing up)
Bradwell Institute (playing up)
Groves (playing up)
Jenkins (playing up)
Johnson, Savannah (playing up)
Savannah (playing up)
Windsor Forest (playing up)
Moved: Camden County (to 1-AAAAA)
Notes: It’s expected that the seven Savannah-area schools will play up again, leaving this region intact except for the possible move of Camden County to Region 1. One source in Savannah told us that even Richmond Hill from Class AAA and Benedictine from AA are considering AAAAA. If that happens, the GHSA will have even more reason to put Camden County – which is isolated in the southeast corner of the state – in Region 1.
4-AAAAA (8)
Campbell (from 6-AAAAA)
East Coweta
Langston Hughes (new to AAAAA)
Marietta (from 5-AAAAA)
Newnan
Pebblebrook
South Cobb (from 5-AAAAA)
Westlake
Going down: Chapel Hill, Lovejoy, Morrow, Mundy’s Mill, Riverdale
Notes: Region 4 picked up Langston Hughes from South Fulton but lost four Clayton County schools, plus Chapel Hill, so it needs rebuilding. Unless this region merges with Region 2 (as discussed above), there’s no alternative but to draw from Cobb County schools. Note that Pebblebrook, a school in south Cobb, already competes in Region 2. South Cobb is the most eligible candidate. After that, we picked Marietta and Campbell, but McEachern and Hillgrove are suspects, too.
5-AAAAA (8)
Cherokee
Etowah
Harrison
Hillgrove (new to AAAAA)
Kennesaw Mountain
McEachern
North Cobb
Woodstock
Going down: East Paulding
Moved: Marietta, South Cobb (to 4-AAAAA)
Notes: Region 5 would love for the GHSA to let Hillgrove (promoted) replace East Paulding (demoted) and let that be that. But holes in regions 4 and 2 make this complicated. Southern Cobb County schools such as South Cobb, McEachern and Marietta are nervous that they will be moved to Region 4. Meanwhile, the Cherokee County schools (Cherokee, Etowah, Woodstock) might hope those Cobb schools remain in Region 5, freeing them up to play in a region with Forsyth County and North Fulton schools.
6-AAAAA (9)
Alpharetta
Centennial
Chattahoochee (playing up)
Lassiter
Milton
Northview
Roswell
Walton
Wheeler
Going down: Kell, Pope
Moved: Campbell (to 4-AAAAA)
Notes: Kell and Pope are now AAAA material, and they might be content to play in the smaller class because East Marietta neighbor Sprayberry already is there. But they also have strong rivalries with Walton and Lassiter in all sports and might choose to remain in AAAAA. Campbell, a Cobb school that’s the geographical odd ball in the current 6-AAAAA, could end up in Region 5 or even Region 4. Also pay attention to Chattahochee, a North Fulton team that was demoted to AAAA. The largest school not assigned to AAAAA, Chattahoochee has reason to play up and compete with most of the other North Fulton schools (Alpharetta, Centennial, Chattahoochee, Northview and Roswell).
7-AAAAA (9)
Collins Hill
Duluth
Mill Creek
Mountain View (new to AAAAA)
Norcross
North Forsyth
North Gwinnett
Peachtree Ridge
West Forsyth (new to AAAAA)
Going down: Chattahoochee, South Forsyth
Notes: This might be a simple trade of Chattahoochee and South Forsyth for Mountain View and West Forsyth. But if Region 8 loses a couple of southern Gwinnett teams, those most subject to moving from 7 to 8 are (in order) Norcross, Duluth, Peachtree Ridge, Collins Hill and Mountain View. Meanwhile, North Forsyth and West Forsyth would prefer to play with North Fulton and Cherokee schools, so there could be a shift in that direction. Current region member Chattahoochee was dropped to AAAA but could play up, but we’re putting the ‘Hooch in 6-AAAAA for now.
8-AAAAA (8)
Archer (playing up)
Berkmar
Brookwood
Central Gwinnett
Dacula
Grayson
Meadowcreek
Parkview
Moved: Shiloh, South Gwinnett (to 2-AAAAA)
Notes: Archer, which opened this year in Gwinnett County, is the second-largest school assigned to AAAAA and might opt to play in this Gwinnett-dominated region rather than AAAA. Gwinnett would love to have two regions of nine Gwinnett schools each. Lanier High will open as Gwinnett’s 18th school next year and would project to go in Region 7. But the trouble is the void in Region 2 with DeKalb and Newton county schools. See Region 2 notes for that explanation. South Gwinnett and Shiloh are anxious. Also keep an eye on Stephenson and Redan. If those DeKalb schools choose to leave AAAAA, then Region 8 could simply absorb M.L. King, Luella and Newton but at the expense of sending a few of its current members over to 7-AAAAA, setting off a domino effect that could open the door for a Forsyth-Cherokee-North Fulton region.
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273 comments Add your comment
ghs#22
November 25th, 2009
8:55 pm
Newnan will be grayson toughest game yet………that includes Camden Co this year and Lowndes last year
ghs#22
November 25th, 2009
8:56 pm
Coach Conn will really have to be smarter this week….
he’s play calling is to me sub par……
ghs#22
November 25th, 2009
8:58 pm
I hope Comcast is listening…..get the players names right this week.
John In Jacksonville
November 26th, 2009
3:04 am
I tried to do a post a couple days ago but it didn’t appear to take. Does anyone know anything about a new high school in Lowndes County? I heard that they are going to build a new school that will split from Lowndes, it’ll be east of Valdosta near Pine Grove, I think. I was told it will be small, maybe 600 to 800, but that would drop Lowndes’ enrollment from 2800 to close to 2000. Staying in the state’s elite would become a lot harder at that point.
As to when, not sure but it was originally supposed to happen around 2010 but is delayed because of the economic situation.
Nazan Yar
November 26th, 2009
6:47 am
Soooooo what happened to the other updates?
Hornets 2009
November 26th, 2009
10:19 am
Adam, Alatoona should petition to move to AAAA. Then they could play in a regions with 14 teams projected, 2 sub regions of 7. Hear talk of a Cobb, Paulding, Douglas region. Oh yeah, I forgot we were in the mighty AAAAA forum and not to talk about other classes here. Well if AJC would get the other class forums going we wouldn’t. but then if you are not Gwinnett or 1-AAAAA you don’t matter here.
danny hall
November 26th, 2009
1:24 pm
Stone mountain always on top going for the #1 seed and state champs
danny hall
November 26th, 2009
1:24 pm
Enter your comments here
glw
November 26th, 2009
2:47 pm
tired of waiting, since my son will be attending a AAAA in a couple of years figured I would go ahead and give my take on it.
PLEASE NOTE: I MIGHT HAVE LEFT A TEAM OR TWO OFF. JUST A ROUGH DRAFT!!!
REGION 1
WARNER ROBINS
N SIDE WR
LEE CO
HOUSTON CO
HARRIS CO
NSIDE, COLUMB
HARDAWAY
THOMAS CO CEN
REGION 2
BRUNSWICK
EFFINGHAM CO
EVANS
GLYNN ACAD
GREENBRIER
LAKESIDE
RICHMOND HILL
SOUTH EFFING
WAYNE CO
REGION 3
GRIFFIN
UPSON LEE
JONES CO
MUNDYS MILL
LOVEJOY
RIVERDALE
MORROW
FOREST PARK
NORTH CLAYTON
JONESBORO
MT ZION
OLA
DUTCHTOWN
UNION GROVE
WOODLAND
REGION 4
FAYETTE CO
MCINTOSH
STARR’S MILL
WHITEWATER
NORTHGATE
SANDY CREEK* (IF THEY PLAY AAAA)
MAYS
DOUGLASS
CARVER
TRI CITIES
BANNEKER
CREEKSIDE
REGION 5
N PAULDING
S PAULDING
PAULDING CO
E PAULDING
HIRAM
VILLA RICA
KELL
OSBORNE
SPRAYBERRY
POPE
DOUGLAS CO
LITHIA SPRINGS
ALEXANDER
CHAPEL HILL
REGION 6
CHAMBLEE
DUNWOODY
LAKESIDE
LITHONIA
MARIST
REDAN
SW DEKALB
TUCKER
REGION 7
SEQUOYAH
CREEKVIEW
WOODLAND
JOHNS CREEK
CASS
FORSYTH CENTRAL
ROME
NW WHITEFIELD
LAMBERT
CHATTAHOOCHEE
FLOWERY BRANCH
REGION 8
ALCOVY
APALACHEE
CEDAR SHOALS
CLARKE CENTRAL
HABERSHAM
HERITAGE, CONYERS
LOGANVILLE
MADISON CO
ROCKDALE CO
SALEM
WINDER BARROW
Adam
November 26th, 2009
3:35 pm
Did not realize that Allatoona will be the only high school in Cobb or Paulding playing in AAA, everyone else is AAAA or AAAAA. It does not make sense.
KrsKrs
November 26th, 2009
7:59 pm
Allatoona has options in AAA, not as many as AAAA or AAAAA but they have options. Cartersville High is about 10 miles from Allatoona. They also have the North Fulton Schools that around 25 miles or so from the school. They just better hope they don’t get put in with Dalton or Carrollton. Also the projected regions 5 and 7 for AAAA are wack. Woodland-Cartersville is only a couple of miles from the Paulding County line but someone wants to put them in with Forsyth Schools??? Rome to Cumming is a long drive. I understand looking at a map you see that Floyd (Rome),Bartow (Woodland, Cass), Cherokee (Creekview, Sequoyah) and Forsyth County all line up West to east side by side but there is not a quick direct route from one to the other. Only two lane, traffic congested HWY 20!
NsideBlue
November 26th, 2009
8:02 pm
SWD Panther Paw:
NOT EVERY WORD THAT ENDS IN ‘S’ WILL HAVE AN APOSTROPHE!!!!
DID YOU TAKE ENGLISH IN SCHOOL?
AAAARGH!!!
SWD Panther Paw
November 27th, 2009
12:00 pm
NsideBlue
Get a grip…..it’s not that serious in this forum
DuluthCat
November 27th, 2009
12:20 pm
Todd,
For how many more years does duluth have to get their butt kicked in region 7-AAAAA before they get moved down? The school has lost a ton of students to Peachtree Ridge (and look how good they have done) and are consistently of the smallest schools in AAAAA. They haven’t won a region 7-AAAAA game in three years. Something needs to be done because the school is obviously hurting in revenue due to the fact there were less than 50 people at senior night. I can only imagine how many people were there for other games. Move us down, so that we have a fighting chance of being competitive, can gain interest for the program again, and get some of our dignity back.
Guwinster
November 27th, 2009
2:24 pm
glw: If that is how the regions end up in AAAA, then region 1 will be stacked.
Also to the Benedictine fan, I’m pretty sure Camden would beat Benedictine at pretty much everything. Camden has not lost to Benedictine in soccer since 2004 (the last time they played Camden won 5-0). Camden wrestling has dominated Benedictine (their B-team beat Benedictine’s A-team last year). Camden has done far more in baseball the past three years (elite eight and final four) than Benedictine. Camden’s tennis team was 18-3 last year (twice beating Richmond Hill a team that destroyed Benedictine). I’m pretty sure Camden has a better swim program than Benedictine too. I think Camden and Benedictine would go 1-1 in basketball. I don’t know about track, cross country or golf, Benedictine could very well be better at track but I don’t think they are any better at cross country or golf.
The thing is Camden has gotten better at several sports, not just football, over the past decade. I would be very surprised if Benedictine could win an all-sports season series against Camden now.
Goldenglove002
November 27th, 2009
10:52 pm
GLW, I would redo regions 4-8 a little. Most of my problems with yours are regions 7 and 5 (the distance between some of the region 7 schools and region 5 is placed inbetween some of them). Most of the other changes were just readjustments after those 2, along with evening out the number of teams a little.
Region 4-
Douglas Co
Alexander
Chapel Hill
Lithia Springs
Northgate
Creekside
Bannekar
McIntosh
Fayette Co
Whitewater
Stars Mill
Sandy Creek*
Region 5-
Osborne
Mays
Douglass
Tri Cities
Carver
SW Dekalb
Redan
Lithonia
Heritage
Alcovy
Salem
Rockdale Co
Region 6-
N Paulding
S Paulding
Paulding Co
E Pualding
Hiram
Villa Rica
Woodland
Cass
Rome
NW Whitefield
Region 7-
Kell
Sprayberry
Pope
Seqouyah
Creekview
Johns Creek
Chatahoochee
Chamblee
Dunwoody
Lakeside
Marist
Tucker
Region 8-
Forsyth Central
Lambert
Flowery Branch
Loganville
Habersham
Apalachee
Winder Barrow
Madison Co
Cedar Shoals
Clarke Central
Region 3,4,5 could mix up a little bit, and Alatoona could slip into 6 or 7 if they decide to go AAAA
Sportsfan31313
November 28th, 2009
1:19 pm
Trying to be real,
Want to speak again now?
Sportsfan31313
November 28th, 2009
1:24 pm
Greetings SouthGa Rules,
I am currently out of town for the Thanksgiving Holidays. But just to let you know, that I have always pulled for the South Georgia Teams even when my team was not there. I pulled for Region 1-AAAAA Lowndes County, Northside Warner Robins, Colquitt County, Region 3-AAAAA Camden County, and I also pulled for Newnan. But now, Colquitt County reign ends this week with a great season under their belts as I stated, the State Title will come to eith Lowndes County or Camden County. I am pulling for Camden County. I am also pulling for Northside Warner Robins as the two will meet again this year for a spectacular showdown in the Dome.
cougar nation
November 28th, 2009
9:57 pm
It don’t matter who NEWNAN plays were a newnan power house in 5A football
GO PACK GO
November 30th, 2009
8:14 pm
I hope everyone keeps pulling against us and I hope we keep proving them wrong. Go Pack Go!
Theophilus
December 1st, 2009
10:08 am
Todd – What happened to the AAAA reclassification article?
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