The Georgia High School Association will place schools in regions for the 2010-14 academic years on Dec. 2. Each day this week, the GHSF Daily staff is going to look at a different classification and tell you how we’d do the regions, starting with Class AAAAA.
These are not projections. We’d have more luck predicting the exact scores of every game this week than how the GHSA will divide up the regions. Our goal is simply to bring to light some of the questions and challenges that define the GHSA’s task next week.
Here’s how we’d do Class AAAAA:
1-AAAAA (6 teams)
Camden County (moved from 3-AAAAA)
Coffee
Colquitt County
Lowndes
Tift County
Valdosta (playing up)
Going down: Houston County, Northside, Warner Robins
Notes: Four current 1-AAAAA schools were assigned to Class AAAA because of declining enrollment. Schools may choose to play in higher classes than the ones they’ve been assigned. We expect Valdosta to play up while the Houston County schools (Warner Robins, Northside, Houston County) play in AAAA. Do we think the GHSA is going to put Camden County in this region? We’ll believe it when we see it. But here’s the logic: The average road trip for Camden County in the new Region 1-AAAAA would be 121 miles. The average trip in Region 3-AAAAA would be 107 miles. But in 1-AAAAA, there are only five opponents. Let’s do the math: Five road trips times 121 miles is 606. Seven road trips times 107 miles is 749. In other words, Camden will travel less in a six-team Region 1-AAAAA than an eight-team Region 3-AAAAA. We realize that Camden pays many Savannah schools to give up their home football games and come to Camden, but that’s irrelevant because the travel for the region overall is the same whether Savannah comes to Camden County or vice-versa. GHSF Daily asked Camden County football coach and athletics director Jeff Herron about his school moving to Region 1. His answer: “I still don’t see how we could with the consideration we must give to the other sports. It would force all of our other sports to play all of their games on the weekends [because of long travel on week days]. But, with that few of schools [in Region 1], the region schedule might be easier to pull off. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.”
2-AAAAA (7)
Luella
M.L. King
Newton
Redan (playing up)
Shiloh (moved from 8-AAAAA)
South Gwinnett (moved from 8-AAAAA)
Stephenson (playing up)
Going down: Douglass, Greenbrier, Union Grove
Notes: Five of the eight current Region 2 schools have been dropped to AAAA, leaving Luella, M.L. King and Newton as the only legitimate AAAAA schools. We suspect Stephenson and Redan will play up and remain with M.L. King, their DeKalb County neighbor. We see Douglass, Greenbrier and Union Grove taking the plunge, although Union Grove might want to stay with fellow Henry County school Luella. Regardless, the big question is how to fill out this depleted region. There are two ways to do it: One is to merge what’s left of Region 2 with what’s left of Region 4, as both regions lost significant membership. That would form a catch-all southside metro Atlanta region that stretches 67 miles from Newnan to Covington. The alternative? Force some Gwinnett County schools to join. Those Gwinnett schools that border DeKalb (in order of the likelihood of joining Region 4) are South Gwinnett, Shiloh, Parkview, Meadowcreek and Norcross. It’s only 42 miles from Luella to South Gwinnett. Also don’t rule out Brookwood and Grayson, though neither borders DeKalb.
3-AAAAA (7)
Beach (playing up)
Bradwell Institute (playing up)
Groves (playing up)
Jenkins (playing up)
Johnson, Savannah (playing up)
Savannah (playing up)
Windsor Forest (playing up)
Moved: Camden County (to 1-AAAAA)
Notes: It’s expected that the seven Savannah-area schools will play up again, leaving this region intact except for the possible move of Camden County to Region 1. One source in Savannah told us that even Richmond Hill from Class AAA and Benedictine from AA are considering AAAAA. If that happens, the GHSA will have even more reason to put Camden County – which is isolated in the southeast corner of the state – in Region 1.
4-AAAAA (8)
Campbell (from 6-AAAAA)
East Coweta
Langston Hughes (new to AAAAA)
Marietta (from 5-AAAAA)
Newnan
Pebblebrook
South Cobb (from 5-AAAAA)
Westlake
Going down: Chapel Hill, Lovejoy, Morrow, Mundy’s Mill, Riverdale
Notes: Region 4 picked up Langston Hughes from South Fulton but lost four Clayton County schools, plus Chapel Hill, so it needs rebuilding. Unless this region merges with Region 2 (as discussed above), there’s no alternative but to draw from Cobb County schools. Note that Pebblebrook, a school in south Cobb, already competes in Region 2. South Cobb is the most eligible candidate. After that, we picked Marietta and Campbell, but McEachern and Hillgrove are suspects, too.
5-AAAAA (8)
Cherokee
Etowah
Harrison
Hillgrove (new to AAAAA)
Kennesaw Mountain
McEachern
North Cobb
Woodstock
Going down: East Paulding
Moved: Marietta, South Cobb (to 4-AAAAA)
Notes: Region 5 would love for the GHSA to let Hillgrove (promoted) replace East Paulding (demoted) and let that be that. But holes in regions 4 and 2 make this complicated. Southern Cobb County schools such as South Cobb, McEachern and Marietta are nervous that they will be moved to Region 4. Meanwhile, the Cherokee County schools (Cherokee, Etowah, Woodstock) might hope those Cobb schools remain in Region 5, freeing them up to play in a region with Forsyth County and North Fulton schools.
6-AAAAA (9)
Alpharetta
Centennial
Chattahoochee (playing up)
Lassiter
Milton
Northview
Roswell
Walton
Wheeler
Going down: Kell, Pope
Moved: Campbell (to 4-AAAAA)
Notes: Kell and Pope are now AAAA material, and they might be content to play in the smaller class because East Marietta neighbor Sprayberry already is there. But they also have strong rivalries with Walton and Lassiter in all sports and might choose to remain in AAAAA. Campbell, a Cobb school that’s the geographical odd ball in the current 6-AAAAA, could end up in Region 5 or even Region 4. Also pay attention to Chattahochee, a North Fulton team that was demoted to AAAA. The largest school not assigned to AAAAA, Chattahoochee has reason to play up and compete with most of the other North Fulton schools (Alpharetta, Centennial, Chattahoochee, Northview and Roswell).
7-AAAAA (9)
Collins Hill
Duluth
Mill Creek
Mountain View (new to AAAAA)
Norcross
North Forsyth
North Gwinnett
Peachtree Ridge
West Forsyth (new to AAAAA)
Going down: Chattahoochee, South Forsyth
Notes: This might be a simple trade of Chattahoochee and South Forsyth for Mountain View and West Forsyth. But if Region 8 loses a couple of southern Gwinnett teams, those most subject to moving from 7 to 8 are (in order) Norcross, Duluth, Peachtree Ridge, Collins Hill and Mountain View. Meanwhile, North Forsyth and West Forsyth would prefer to play with North Fulton and Cherokee schools, so there could be a shift in that direction. Current region member Chattahoochee was dropped to AAAA but could play up, but we’re putting the ‘Hooch in 6-AAAAA for now.
8-AAAAA (8)
Archer (playing up)
Berkmar
Brookwood
Central Gwinnett
Dacula
Grayson
Meadowcreek
Parkview
Moved: Shiloh, South Gwinnett (to 2-AAAAA)
Notes: Archer, which opened this year in Gwinnett County, is the second-largest school assigned to AAAAA and might opt to play in this Gwinnett-dominated region rather than AAAA. Gwinnett would love to have two regions of nine Gwinnett schools each. Lanier High will open as Gwinnett’s 18th school next year and would project to go in Region 7. But the trouble is the void in Region 2 with DeKalb and Newton county schools. See Region 2 notes for that explanation. South Gwinnett and Shiloh are anxious. Also keep an eye on Stephenson and Redan. If those DeKalb schools choose to leave AAAAA, then Region 8 could simply absorb M.L. King, Luella and Newton but at the expense of sending a few of its current members over to 7-AAAAA, setting off a domino effect that could open the door for a Forsyth-Cherokee-North Fulton region.
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273 comments Add your comment
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:50 pm
Brian,
I hear you. Loud and Clear…
grayram
November 24th, 2009
1:52 pm
i agree with that Brian!
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:55 pm
Brain,
Well history tells, the higher the enrollment, the more talented players. The stand a better chance of winning. Lets see. If Camden County split into two High Schools example: Camden County High School, and lets say Kingsland High School, do you really believe that the winning tradition would remain?
Very seldom you will have that a Perinnial Power that will exist in the same Region. Look at Lowndes and Valdosta? There were never two that were Perinnial Powers at the same time.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
1:56 pm
SportsFan31313
I’ve been reading your post for a while now and they are always good.
As for Camden i think its going to be a great game.
I don’t think you really believe Houston, or Coffee or Tift could beat North Gwinett
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
Brian,
Remember the Ware County Gators and the Waycross Bulldogs?
grayram
November 24th, 2009
2:00 pm
Brookwood and Parkview are about 10 minutes apart and in the same region. They were good at the same time.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:02 pm
grayram
I remember them being good. But at the same time? Now you have Grayson in there correct? What are their status now?
grayram
November 24th, 2009
2:02 pm
It will be fun to watch the next few seasons to see if Grayson is affected in that way. Grayson was split this year when Archer opened.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:09 pm
grayram States:
SportsFan31313
I’ve been reading your post for a while now and they are always good.
As for Camden i think its going to be a great game.
I don’t think you really believe Houston, or Coffee or Tift could beat North Gwinett
grayram,
I believe that they are good enough to do it. I think you under estimate those South Georgia Teams in Region 1-AAAAA. If you read the blogs, there are people that didn’t believe that Camden County should be ranked ahead of some of the Gwinette County Teams, and Metro Atlanta Teams. Remember? I defended Camden County because I know this team, and have seen them play year after year after year. I explained that the losses that Camden County acquired was at the hands of Nationally ranked Schools. ie Grayson, and Hoover Alabama. I also stated that Camden County is still very much a very good Football team. Now look where we are again. They will win State again. The Title will come back to South Georgia for the 2nd year in a row. The excuses that Camden County plays in a weak Region 3-AAAAA schedule is no longer an excuse because Camden County is beating all of the tough Teams.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
2:11 pm
Brookwood/Parkview for several years always battled it out for the region. I think they even played each other once in the state championship game with Parkview winning. They are close to each other and i believe alot of the kids play in rec leagues together before they get to high school.
Grayson is farther away out close to the Walton County line, but many of the Grayson players played in Brookwood rec leagues when they were younger.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
2:17 pm
SportsFan31313
You don’t have to convince me when it comes to Camden. I have been to both games Grayson played them and saw them on TV a couple of times. I have no problem with them being ranked and i beleive they would be great in any region. I don’t pay any more attention to those early season losses they had than i do to the peachtree ridge loss in week 2. Those losses don’t mean a thing now. However Houston, and the others at the bottom of the region are not Camden or Lowndes. I would argue that you underestimate the Gwinnett teams at least as much as i do the non playoff 1AAAAA teams.
Chris
November 24th, 2009
2:22 pm
OK – enough AAAAA debate. Bring on AAAA!
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:34 pm
Chris,
Forget AAAA. Go to the AAAA page. This page is for the big guys in AAAAA.
Jarmal
November 24th, 2009
2:35 pm
I played football in that region in 94 for Savh High. We had small enrollment but we competed. If Camden had 300 students, they would still dominate 3aaaaa football, they have a rich tradition. I have heard it all when it comes to consilidating the schools down there, but you will have a lot of kids on a very bad team. Trust me not to throw the kids up under the bus but the proof is in the pudding. Look at the GHSA historical data
http://www.ghsfha.org/rstandings.php?gTeamID=Savannah
none of those savannah schools have been very good
I dont feel the enrollment has a lot to do with the product put on the field only 11 can play at one time.
Savannah public schools just dont have it in football.
Paul Cook
November 24th, 2009
2:41 pm
Benedictine beat Camden County in 2000 which was Jeff Herron’s first year at Camden. That was the last that BC beat Camden and in 2004 BC changed regions. Even when BC had a sustained period of above average to excellent teams under Jim Walsh and Tom Bracket they generally were dominated in the first round of the playoffs. They did manage to get to the state semis in 1978 but were blanked by Valdosta. I went to that game and the difference between the two teams went far beyond just the play on the field. Valdosta had more of everything, players, coaches, etc. At the upper levels of 5A competition that is what you face in order to excel. At some point it does become a numbers game. Camden County has the numbers. I remember asking one of their coaches how many kids were in their football program and I was told 200+. Johnson High was lucky to dress out 40.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:41 pm
grayram,
Believe it or not. I like the Ridge. Peachtree Ridge. But they wont beat Northside Warner Robins though. Neither will North Gwinette beat Camden County. The only one you have left is Grayson. They will beat Newnan, and Colquitt County will beat Lassiter.
Chris
November 24th, 2009
2:44 pm
Nothing wrong with 5A, just ready to see how realignment could be drawn up in 4A, then 3, etc. I love it when schools are reclassified. It’s fun. I have lived in several corners of Georgia from Griffin to Statesboro to Suwanee to Warner Robins and my wife is from Valdosta. Every community has great passion for their teams. Let’s give the GHSA some credit. They have a difficult task on their hands and will not make everyone happy.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:44 pm
Jarmal
I am willing to bet that if those seven schools combined into one school. It will be a true class AAAAA and they will be a great football team if they have a good coach that could coach them.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:47 pm
Paul Cook ,
You are right and I agree with you. That is what I am trying to explain as to the sudden jump from Class AA to AAAAA. History tells that the higher the enrollment, the more talented players. The better chance of winning.
Quinn of the Ridge
November 24th, 2009
2:56 pm
SportsFan. Tift County played Roswell in a non-region game this year. Roswell is the #2 seed in region 6 (Not as strong as 7 or 8). The score, Roswell 42 Tift County 7.
Time4aNewCoach
November 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
Harrison couldn’t win a AAA region with Hypocrite Hines at the helm.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
SportsFan31313
i will go with North Gwinnett,Lassiter, and Pridge all to win.
The one i’m most concerned with is Grayson. The Rams need to step up
a notch if they are going to compete with Newnan.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
3:09 pm
Quinn of the Ridge,
Ok I hear you.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
3:15 pm
grayram,
Not so fast my friend.
Lassiter will meet the toughest team this this season, and I am sure that they wont score the points that they have been scoring against those Metro Atlanta Teams. Colquitt County have a tremendous Defense. They will stop the pass and the run. Lassiter does not have a great defense. Tale Colquitt County. As much as I like the “Ridge”, Northside Warner Robins will be too much for the “Ridge”. Take NSWR. Camden County will run the table against North Gwinette, and I believe that Grayson will win this Friday against Newnan. And Sir, you can take that to the bank.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
3:17 pm
Time4aNewCoach States:
Harrison couldn’t win a AAA region with Hypocrite Hines at the helm.
Greetings Time4aNewCoach ,
I feel your pain. I truly do. But this pass is for the big boys of Class AAAAA. Take your frustration to the Class AAA page. They will address your comment there.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
3:36 pm
Central Gwinnett’s coach quit
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
3:45 pm
Paul Cook – Don’t forget their ‘96 run to the quarters, losing to Lowndes by 1 point. I think one good run every decade keeps everyone excited.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
3:50 pm
This kid at Lassiter is really putting on a show! What did he have like 500 + yards in 3 quarters. I know Colquitt has a good defense, but that was against mere mortals!!! Lassiter will find Colquitts offense less dangerous than last week against South. They won’t need all of their 70 points this week.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:07 pm
Bryan,
I don’t know about you, but if Bradwell Institute could make a run for it every year just like Lowndes , Camden, Northside Warner Robins etc. I could, and would be very excited……
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:08 pm
grayram
What in the Heck is going on with all of these coaches resigning or getting fired? That brings the count up to 21 for this year.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:10 pm
Any School that is scoring 50 to 60 plus points or more on a team, that team does not have a defense. Colquitt County does though.
DaveDawg96
November 24th, 2009
4:21 pm
When is the deadline to “play up?” I thought it was today at 4 p.m., but according to the GHSA website, only three schools have submitted the paperwork to play up to AAAAA as of 3:42 this afternoon. What about Valdosta, Chattahoochee, Pope and the remaining Savannah schools?
cchswildcat86
November 24th, 2009
4:26 pm
gray ram whats your take on grayson/newnan.. i say grayson 24 newnan 7
cchswildcat86
November 24th, 2009
4:27 pm
grayram
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
4:36 pm
Dave – I know as of yesterday, the petition to play up from the SAV schools was sitting on the superintendent’s desk. Richmond Hill just announced they’ll be moving up to AAAA today. No word on the Effinghams, Glynn, or Brunswick.
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:40 pm
Why are schools playing up? I can say that without a shadow of a doubt that playing in AAAAA has been a much greater financial burden on Northside High School athletics than playing in a AAAA, which includes all Warner Robins area high schools and Westside-Macon. If Baldwin petitions to play up in AAAA along with the Warner Robins schools and Westside, it becomes a big financial bonus for the program.
The South Georgia schools, although steeped with great tradition, just do not travel. With the exception of the Lowndes County fans, no one came up to McConnell-Talbert. We get a much bigger push at the gate by playing annually the area schools, like Westside, Baldwin, and Peach County. It just don’t get it.
Why would a program play up, for the sake of playing up?
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:41 pm
SWD Panther: Since you are such a fan of putting Camden County in Region 1-AAAAA because of the level of competition, would you also support putting bad programs with bad coaches like Stephenson, Southwest DeKalb, and others in the same region. That would make logical sense to me.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
4:41 pm
cchswildcat86
I don’t think Grayson will score 24 on Newnan. Grayson’s ideal games is driving the ball for 8-9 minutes and coming away with points while keeping the opponents defense on the field tiring and offense on the sidelines. Both teams have really good defense so i think it will be something like 10-7 or maybe 14-10. the winner will probably be whoever doesn’t fumble.
Facts
November 24th, 2009
4:42 pm
Chattahoochee is not going to play up. They are staying at AAAA. The numbers that are projected from their FTE count are high. Look for them to be around 1750-1780 enrollment next year and stay at AAAA.
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:44 pm
Can anyone in Suwanee, Georgia tell me how “Silver Spoons Getting Ridded Out of Our Mouths Week” is going at Peachtree Ridge High School? I know that there must be a group of parents considering a private jet trip or an overnight stay for the starters in a local area hotel. I would be happy to provide suggestions.
I beg as many P-Ridge supporters to travel down to McConnell-Talbert Stadium. It is Thanksgiving weekend. Therefore, the Eagle Nation will be out in full force as these games become a mini-Homecoming. If you guys do not know what happens to Northside’s Homecoming opponents, simply follow your Lions this week.
It is Great to be a Northside Eagle!
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:46 pm
Todd Holcomb,
I saw this Region Alignment on GHSA: This is not up to date is it?
3-AAAAA (9)
Beach
Bradwell Institute
Camden County
Groves
Jenkins
Johnson, Savannah
Savannah
Savannah Arts Academy* New Private School with about 600 students
Windsor Forest
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:46 pm
Forget about Grayson putting up 24 points against Newnan. You guys are going to give that program some respect sooner than later. It is funny the way that you guys dismiss Newnan. Those guys are serious.
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:46 pm
Sportsfan: I told you. To suggest that Camden County move to Region 1-AAAAA is absolutely absurd!
grayram
November 24th, 2009
4:47 pm
Bart Sibrel..I mean ENR sorry
Aren’t most of the schools that are playing up doing just for that reason? So that their games are closer to home and draw more fans because of local rivalries.
DaveDawg96
November 24th, 2009
4:49 pm
To answer ENR and address Chattahoochee at the same time, for many schools playing up is the way to cut expenses and boost attendance. Chattahoochee is one of six north Fulton schools, and all of the others are AAAAA. If Chattahoochee plays down, they will have to travel to Hiram and Creekview and places like that. It makes sense to play your neighbors – one to cut down on travel time for students, two to cut expenses, three to maintain rivalries abd boost gate receipts.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:51 pm
DaveDawg96,
Hmmmmmm……………………….
grayram
November 24th, 2009
4:52 pm
Bart Sibrel
Can anyone in Houston county tell us how it feels to have two teams from the same region or 3 teams from the same county in the final 8?
i didn’t think so.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:52 pm
EagleNationRising,
I hear you..
Facts
November 24th, 2009
4:52 pm
DaveDawg96,
Hooch will not have to go to Hiram….. Creekview perhaps, but that is no farther than Mill Creek and Collins Hill. Hooch will more than likely be in a region with Johns Creek, South Forsyth, Lambert, Sequoyah, Creekview, Pope, Kell, and Forsyth Central. That is if they do not place Hooch in the same region 6AAAA with Tucker, SWD, Marist, etc.
Trust me, they are not going to play up.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:53 pm
grayram,
Why do you associate ENRwith the name Bart Sibrel? Just curious.