Valdosta High School, which has the nation’s winningest football program, will not be welcoming back its head coach for next season.
Valdosta dropped a 57-15 decision to crosstown rival Lowndes last weekend. Wildcats coach Rick Tomberlin was told late Tuesday his contract would not be renewed for the 2010 season by Valdosta City Schools Superintendent Bill Cason, according to the Valdosta Daily Times.
“I’m in shock,” Tomberlin told the Valdosta newspaper. “I did everything I could do here. I’ve never worked harder in my life. I haven’t missed many days of school. I’ve made some wonderful friends here. A lot of people have been very kind to me. I think I’m leaving (the program) a lot better than it was when I got here.”
Tomberlin was given the option of resigning immediately or finishing out the season. He has decided to stay on with the Wildcats, who are 4-3 and still have a chance of earning a berth in the Class AAAAA playoffs. Tomberlin’s dismissal still must go through several other steps, including a vote by the board of education. However, the rest of the process is considered to be a mere formality.
“I want to finish the season … I don’t want to quit on my kids. I owe it to them, and love them, and I want to see them through whatever happens, whether it’s the end of the regular season, or the end of the playoffs, whether it’s three games, five games, eight games, whatever the case may be,” Tomberlin told the Valdosta paper.
“I’m really going to work hard these next three games. Nothing’s going to change. I’m going to help these kids all I can with scholarships and colleges.”
Tomberlin is 19-20 at Valdosta, including a 1-9 mark in his first season at the school in 2006. Tomberlin was hired away from Washington County, where he coached for 14 years and won three state championships.
Since 1913, Valdosta has won six mythical national championships and 23 state championships. The Wildcats have an overall record of 838 wins, 191 losses and 34 ties.
So what do YOU think? Did Valdosta pull the trigger too soon on Tomberlin? Or do you think he had already been given a fair chance to prove his value?
And will Valdosta — which won its last state championship in 1998 — ever be able to return to its glory days?
245 comments Add your comment
Mustang
October 14th, 2009
8:12 am
They need to realize that Lowndes has overtaken them and move on. The talent is at Lowndes and not Valdosta. Those people need to wake up and smell the coffee. The fired O’Brien and he went to woodstock and won a bunch of games. Is it coaching or a lack of talent?
Bank Walker, Texas Ranger
October 14th, 2009
8:16 am
Valdosta needs to expand the city limits
hop
October 14th, 2009
8:17 am
they need to hire buck belue as their coach, since he knows so much about football if you don’t believe he does just ask him!
Dacula
October 14th, 2009
8:19 am
Coaching is overrated. I’m not saying it doesn’t matter because a good coach can make a difference. However, just look at a school like Buford. Jess Simpson was a head coach at East Paulding for 1 year and he went 0-10. He goes to Buford where they have more talent than everyone and he wins state championships. Same thing here. Tomberlin had more talent than everyone at Washington County and looked like a genius as a coach. When you don’t have the players, you don’t look as smart. You can’t win the Kentucky Derby on a mule. I’m not saying Valdosta doesn’t have good players because I really have no idea. I just know what John Wooden said and the 3 biggest keys to being successful: “Talent, talent, and talent.”
Gary3294
October 14th, 2009
8:24 am
When you have a coach who has won 3 state championships I think you have to look at other factors for Valdosta’s problems. Sounds like someone has over reacted to a bad loss ( sound familiar UGA fans). All this is telling future coaches is winning is everything even in high school. Why would any coach want to go there now.
richtfan
October 14th, 2009
8:26 am
valdosta is no longer a dominant program. lowndes is cleaning their clock because it’s simply their time. valdosta needs to accept that they have regressed and that things have changed.
ATL Dawg
October 14th, 2009
8:28 am
Dacula,
You are correct on one thing – you have no clue. I have watched every game Tomberlin has coached at Valdosta. He has had some major talent on the teams he has coached evidenced by the number of scholarships his kids have signed – more so than Lowndes. You CANNOT blame it on lack of talent – especially when you have not seen Valdosta play. He was so far in over his head it was almost a joke. He has improved the overall program at Valdosta becasue the coach before him – Darlington – was an even bigger joke. Darlington is one that left the program in shambles. Valdosta still has many capable athletes and will rise again once the right man is in charge. If you truly have watched Valdosta play every game I have seen since 1979, then you have no reason to give your opinion whthout seeing what is truly is going on here in Valdosta. I promise you the talent is there.
Craig
October 14th, 2009
8:32 am
Valdosta is a victim of changing demographics. The county population has been expanding while the city has remained stagnant which gives them a smaller pool of talent to choose from. Expanding the city limits would be tough because the schools are less than 5 miles apart from each other
coachwam
October 14th, 2009
8:41 am
What a shame!!!! Valdosta needs to stay the course. No program can be successful it you are going to make a change every three or four years. Coach T is a very hard worker and has tons of football knowledge. Valdosta can start over but soon no coach in America will want to come to Valdosta.
Reformed Bulldog Fan
October 14th, 2009
8:41 am
Valdosta is like UGA, they think they are supposed to win the “national championship” every year, regardless and if they don’t it is someone else’s fault. I think Craig is correct. Lowndes is getting the talent and Valdosta is meeting its Waterloo. Time will tell the truth.
eBuzz
October 14th, 2009
8:50 am
First posting did not appear to go through. Pardon me if this is a repeat.
At about 1800 students Valdosta has to compete against schools like Lowndes with 3200 students at the AAAAA level. Given the number of fine coaches (and coaching DOES make a difference regardless of what some would like to think), it is difficult to consistently be successful against larger talent pools. Unlike the Warner-Robins schools on occasion, Valdosta appears to proud to step down to the AAAA level. Only Marist, a AA school competing at the AAAA level has been able to consistently and successfully compete again much larger schools, but they do not have district boundaries and good athletes are drawn toward them because of their success and the quality of their coaching, not to mention their high academic standards. Although I am not a Valdosta native, I played college ball with some of their very fine alumni, and I tremendously admire their program. I wish them well in the future.
Who cares?
October 14th, 2009
8:52 am
Firing a Coach in mid-season for losing a few games? Give me a break. It’s a GAME. It’s upposed to be FUN and it’s supposed to be FOR THE KIDS, not middle-aged men. I continue to be amazed at the number of former jocks who relive the high point in their lives by pereverating over high school and college football. Grow up, guys. If you put half as much energy into your family and your job, you’d be way better off. High School is a long way back in your past. Time to dial inot the present.
AFAN
October 14th, 2009
8:53 am
At the time when they fired O’brien I think he was averaging 9 wins a season…and because he had not won a State Championship he was deemed a failure.
I guess it doesn’t matter that the days are over when they controlled every kid in the entire county and red-shirted every 8th grader…many of those State Championships were won in an era of slightly different rules…sort of like the old Alabama days when Bear would sign 140 kids just to keep them away from other schools.
JSS
October 14th, 2009
8:54 am
Valdosta is getting what they deserve! For years they were the Alabama of GA HS (lie, cheat, and steal)… Now they are as delusional as the Georgia Bulldogs, yes you have talent; still there are just better combination of coaching styles to the types of players in the system. Anybody who saw Tombelin’s WCHS teams knew what you’d be facing. From the Edwards boys to their tough defenses, that is not Valdosta football. Oh by the way, ATL Dawg, you are a step away from becoming like Lanier/Central in Macon, an afterthought in GHSA history. Find a coach that can do more with less and then stick with them for 6 years. Stop undermining and get a handle on the crazies in the Wildcat World Conspiracy.. That is where the problem exists.
Oh, any HS school that wants a tough nosed coach and you don’t have a crazy fan base and don’t expect a futuristic offense, Rick Tomberlin is a fine choice.
dooley
October 14th, 2009
8:55 am
Valdosta is basically getting what they deserve. I played against them in the late 80’s. They are a racist town. When we (Carver-Columbus) beat them in 88 they threatened to fire the great Nick Hyder because he lost to a black school. We were spit on and subject to all sorts of racial comments the next year when we went back.
tankandtank
October 14th, 2009
8:57 am
they should have waited until the end of the season
tankandtank
October 14th, 2009
8:58 am
do they have someone in mind to replace him that is better?
Kay
October 14th, 2009
8:59 am
The demographics of Valdosta have changed, just like most towns.
Lowndes Co. has a bigger, more supportive pool of students to draw from.
Valdosta is like most inner cities.
Won’t matter who the coach is, Lowndes Co. will win.
SouthGARules
October 14th, 2009
9:07 am
Does this surprise me? NO. This is typical Valdosta. Where else have you seen a coach go 17-3 (Charles Greene) & get run. Getting the worst beat down to your arch rival will get you run.
AFAN: O’Brien won a state title in 1998, beating A. J. Suggs & McEachern.
Good luck in finding a coach!
Dentster
October 14th, 2009
9:12 am
I agree, expand the city limits. The best talent lives outside those city limits and attend rival Lowndes. The glory days are over. Sure, they may make the playoffs from time to time but never another State Championship.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
9:14 am
Michael, you and Todd Holcomb continue to display a lack of understanding about what football is south of the Gnat line. Football is EVERYTHING. I have said for a week that the Lowndes County game was a “must-win” situation for the Wildcats. I know that Todd Holcomb says that Rick Tomberlin is a nice guy. I would agree with that. That does not change a 1-3 Region 1-AAAAA record.
Todd wrote a story about Valdosta playing the toughest part of their schedule. That does not matter to the people at Valdosta. Valdosta expects to be the tough opponent on everyone’s schedule. Valdosta plays the same schedule that everyone else does in Region 1-AAAAA. Everyone has to compete.
I believe the problem at Valdosta is who is competing? You do not give up over 50 points if your kids are competiting. I saw it with my own eyes in the 2008 Northside-Valdosta game at McConnell-Talbert Stadium. The Wildcats clearly quit. They had to quit on Friday night.
It is unacceptable. When this happens, it falls to the head coach. It is that simple. Metro Atlanta programs may simply blame the kids. At major programs, the responsibility falls to the head coach, who is also compensated more than any teacher at the school. Valdosta has fielded competitive basketball teams. Why can’t Rick Tomberlin compete in football? The guy can obviously coach. He has 3 State Championships. He also has a sub-0.500 record at Valdosta. As I said throughout the last week, the Rick Tomberlin era is over. That was obvious.
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
9:15 am
“Darlington – was an even bigger joke. Darlington is one that left the program in shambles”
You Valdosta people are strange folk. Darlington won before he got to vhs. He won at vhs. He has continued winning since returning to Florida, while sending kids to Michigan, Notre Dame, etc. Blame him all you want but the proof is in the pudding and you vhs people are like Bama fans–stuck on ancient history. The only difference is that Bama, Lowndes and Darlington are all winning while punks like you are stuck in Loserville.
Sav
October 14th, 2009
9:17 am
A lot of people on here are right LOwndes county is bigger and when people are moving to Valdosta they are moving into the county. PLaying in AAAAA they are playing against teams that have far more depth just because of the number of kids they have. I know that they won’t, but maybe Valdosta should consider moving down to AAAA. They could possibly be more competitive in AAAA
Lowndes now own Valdosta!
October 14th, 2009
9:18 am
They own them with the football team and the band. The best band in the state!
godogssicem
October 14th, 2009
9:18 am
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy…
secondguesser
October 14th, 2009
9:19 am
Not surprising! The arrogance of these people is laughable. So it’s all the coaches fault. Get over it! The seventies are long gone. Hey Atl Dawg, so the talent has always been there? If so, then are you one of those influential power brokers that keep making lousy coaching hires over there. What does that say about all the know it alls?
twodawgs
October 14th, 2009
9:19 am
A few posters hit the nail on the head: changing demographics, school size, etc. However it amazes me how many “Valdosta experts” have it all figured out and have NEVER seen the Cats play, NEVER lived in the commumnity, NEVER kept up with the program, NEVER met or talked to any of the supporters or critics, NEVER been to a practice to see what is going on, and many NEVER even been through Valdosta. Valdosta plays in the toughest region in the state and it takes quality players AND good coaching to win consistently. Only the very best coaches can survive in this region. Coaches who haven’t been successful at Valdosta have indeed been successful at other schools in less demanding regions. That’s exactly where those coaches should be. Applicants for the Valdosta job all know it is a demanding job and all claim that they are the man to get the job done. When they don’t succeed, obviously they aren’t the man.
Lowndes Rules
October 14th, 2009
9:20 am
Tombo coached in Valdosta once before…..Anyone remember that? He didn’t go over well at Lowndes; why should anyone have expected any better at Valdosta High?
Now that the Right Reverend Rose is screaming racisim (again) maybe he will get his wish…..an all-black administration and coaching staff to manage a school system that is, according to him, 80% black.
Doesn’t really matter, anyway, because VHS is thug and drug central. Does anyone doubt the phenomenon of “white flight” now? Or maybe the decent parents just don’t want their kids going to school at thug & drug central.
Mark Richt
October 14th, 2009
9:23 am
Who can I contact about submitting an application?
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
9:25 am
I know some of you vhs people ain’t big on readin’ and ‘rithmetic, so I done did some cipherin’
Darlington had a 7-3 playoff record and vhs never finished lower than 2nd. How is that a “joke?”
How did that jack@$$ Tomberlin “leave the program in better shape than when he found it?”
Loserville
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
9:25 am
that’s lower than 2nd in the region
misterwax
October 14th, 2009
9:26 am
Maybe they can entice all the MEXICANS to paly futbol instead….
Hound Dawg
October 14th, 2009
9:26 am
Valdosta should do what Lowndes did, but never will: Hire Madison County’s coach, Frankie Carroll.
He, like Mcpherson his predecessor, has consistently taken a small program numbers wise and won against larger programs. Pride will keep them from doing it.
JAMIE
October 14th, 2009
9:27 am
Valdosta is and always will be a storied program. However,what the people of Valdosta need to realize is that this is NOT the same region Valdosta dominated all those years. The competition is twice as tough as it was from 1960-1990 and Valdosta High is a big reason that it is. Their success has made the region what it is today. Everybody has improved there facilties and coaching over the years to compete w/ Valdosta.
JB
October 14th, 2009
9:27 am
I wish this supt. was president of the Univ. of Ga. Disturbing headline in the Augusta Chronicle this morning. Richt giving Willie a vote of confidence. OUCH. I hope it’s window dressing only for the team. It will get ugly in Athens if that guy is retained. Richt will officially put on notice.
Wendell Franklin Wentz
October 14th, 2009
9:29 am
The good coach should leave Valdosta the way he found them. Lose the rest of the season is what that school board deserves. I realize some folks’ thinking appratus becomes paralyzed sometimes, but this is happening to a school board. Lord, save the schools from folks like that. They are ungrateful souls who do not appreciate a good thing or a good coach. Jesus, save the school from a Superintendent who delivers that kind of message. Amen. -Wendell Franklin Wentz
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
9:30 am
Kay: Warner Robins HS, Houston County HS, Valdosta HS, Lowndes County HS, Coffee County HS are all larger than Northside HS (Warner Robins). Valdosta is in NO way at such a disadvantage that the Valdosta Wildcats can justify having a 19-20 record over the past four seasons.
Everyone makes excuses for their lack of success. Valdosta does NOT have an enrollment disadvantage. The suggestion that poor Valdosta just does not have a chance is absurd. Valdosta compensates their head football coach as well as any program in the nation. Valdosta has a HUGE booster club. People are focusing upon Lowndes County. Rick Tomberlin has not even reached the state playoffs in 2 out of 3 seasons.
I am lost upon why people are surprised that Valdosta fired him. In my view, not making a move would show a lack of direction from the institution. You can not field a football team that just doesn’t compete. Rick Tomberlin is the head coach and he is responsible. Either Valdosta was unprepared on Friday night or the team just quit. Each requires the school to make a move. Tomberlin will land somewhere else and I am certain that he will do well.
Valdosta is NOT at a competitive disadvantage. Let’s stop spreading this false propoganda.
plowboy
October 14th, 2009
9:31 am
everyone quit talking about the talent level , valdosta has the talent , it is the coaching , at the game friday night they barely threw to jay rome who is 6`6 and 240 or sapp who is 6`4 and rome was being covered by a small DB
Chuck
October 14th, 2009
9:32 am
Im sure there is a team in Middle Georgia that will welcome Rick back. After all, we all know that Middle Georgia Football is where its at right now!
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
9:34 am
Only the very best coaches can survive in this region. Coaches who haven’t been successful at Valdosta have indeed been successful at other schools in less demanding regions
twopuppy
You are a borderline ‘tard. Less demanding? I see Florida teams beating the best from California, Ohio and South Carolina. Florida ball has it all over Georgia ball; everyone knows this.
Maybe the fan base is less demanding b/c the people understand the difference between life and depending on 16 and 17 year old kids for your happiness.
You continue to pontificate about “the best man” but you don’t even know who the best man is. You hire, whine and fire. Hire, whine and fire. Apparently, the best man is at Lowndes…or is it the best talent?
This isn’t the 70’s and your reign is over. Move on. Get good at chess or checkers. And while Rolson and Darlington are succeeding at the highest level, you can yearn for the good ol’ days and act like you know, when the fact is that their success says more about them and less about you.
twodawgs
October 14th, 2009
9:35 am
Correct Plowboy. And that kind of coaching is a gift to the opponent!
cbgb
October 14th, 2009
9:35 am
He needed to go before he got here. You don’t just think you’re doing a good job at Valdosta. You produce results. That’s the bottom line. Sorry, pal.
hatfieldgeoff
October 14th, 2009
9:35 am
Valdosta is a AAAA school (1800 students) playing at the AAAAA level because of the egos of those in power down there. Larger schools are going to have more talent (even if you recruit a few to your school, wink, wink). A guy that won three state championships has got to know how to build a program, but if you ain’t got the talent, you ain’t got the talent.
BRUCE HILTON
October 14th, 2009
9:41 am
HAVING PLAYED FOR COACH BAZEMORE,AND COACH GREENE AS WELL AS BEING AROUND NICK HYDER IT IS EASY TO KNOW WHAT IS MISSING. THE VALDOSTA WAY. THE WILDCATS NEED TO GO BACK TO THEIR ROOTS AND FIND A COACH WHO WILL INSTILL THE VALUES OF THESE MEN ON THE NEW GENERATION WILDCATS. WE NEED TO FIND A WILDCAT BY HEART NOT BY CHOICE. THESE WERE GREAT MEN WHO INSTILLED GREAT VALUES TO THE PLAYERS. I WITNESSED THIS AND PERFORMED WITH THIS. FOR THOSE WHO SAY CHEAT, LIE, OR ANY OTHER DEROGATORY REMARK I SAY SOUR GRAPES. VALDOSTA IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE WINNERSVILLE USA.
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
9:42 am
hatfield
Well said. Tradition doesn’t trump talent or Harvard, Yale and the academies would be D1 powers still.
I mean, should they take a line from vhs, “We USED TO BE great…”
What scares vhs more than anything is to have to move down. It’s a surrender. Just like they can’t admit that, now, they are just like everyone else. They will continue to get worked silly unless they change boundaries or they build another high school.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
9:44 am
There certainly are a bunch of people talking about race on the site this morning. What in the world does race have to do with Valdosta sitting at 1-3 in the region? I am a little lost. Valdosta players do not play hard and quit. This thing has nothing to do with race.
I could buy these “EXCUSES” about Valdosta and Rick Tomberlin’s sub-0.500 record. If Valdosta was going 9-1 or 8-2…heck, even 7-3 and losing to Lowndes County every year, we could all buy the Lowndes County is a larger high school and the demographics do not favor Valdosta. Valdosta is larger than Northside-Warner Robins. The Wildcats need to stop making excuses and build a winner. There should be MUCH more pride when people put on that uniform.
You guys got fooled when Todd Holcomb was playing his harp on behalf of Rick Tomberlin. Do you guys think people down in Valdosta care about Todd Holcomb’s or the AJC’s opinion of Rick Tomberlin? Get real!!! People in Valdosta care about 1-9, followed by 9-3, followed by 6-4, followed by 4-3. It doesn’t matter if the head coach is green, the administrators are blue, and the players pink. Any head coach producing those numbers at Valdosta has got to go. End of story.
PMC
October 14th, 2009
9:47 am
The guy is 19-20. He just didn’t get it done.
twodawgs
October 14th, 2009
9:48 am
Coach T was quoted saying “I was shocked” by the decision. Really? A blind man could have seen this coming from a mile away.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
9:48 am
Hatfieldgeoff: Where are you guys getting this misinformation that Valdosta High School has 1800 students? It sounds like some people down in Valdosta will use any excuse to justify Valdosta quitting on the football field. Show this board any legitimate publication that says that Valdosta has 1800 students.
Again, Northside has the smallest enrollment in the city of Warner Robins. That does not change the fact that Houston County and Warner Robins regularly get kicked around by Northside.
Valdosta High School’s phone number is the following: (229) 333-8540
Valdosta has more than 1800 students. Give me a break!
Valdosta’s enrollment: http://high-schools.com/schools/17862/valdosta-high-school.html
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
9:52 am
Twodawgs: The Randy McPherson way of coaching is not half bad either. The guy is clearly the new Buck Godfrey. It is borderline IMPOSSIBLE to to lose a state championship with the team that Lowndes County fielded last season. Now, he it appears that he is not going to even win a Region Championship. Of course, we all know that he has the best talent and the biggest school.
Yes, Tomberlin is the gift that keeps on giving. On the other hand, Northside and Grayson fans can confirm that Randy McPherson will give to you, as well.
Stop The Madness
October 14th, 2009
9:53 am
We are forgetting one important aspect of this whole thing. The (fan)atical force known as the TD Club. These (fan) atics are the real reason the coach is gone. When you have Boosters club members who run programs that is nothing but a recipe for disaster. The booster club have film sessions at Valdosta. Why??? Are they drawing up the gameplan for the next game?? And they think they are entitled to do so because they “support” the program financially. What is even sadder is that the majority of them do not even have a kid in the program. They boast about a membership of over 1500 so you do the math. The inmates are running the asylum so do you expect anything different.
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
9:57 am
tomberlin’s “shock” is almost as stupid as his “left the program better than when I found it” remark
Not only does it show him to be a complete tool, what does it say about vhs?
Seriously.
If the last two vhs coaches were both so bad, who sifted through the pile of resumes and then hired them? It’s more indicative of the mentality of vhs than it is an indictment of the coaches
vhs ran out a proven winner. They trumpeted out the guy who would ‘bring them back to glory” and now, the former coach is coaching on ESPN, winning at an 80% clip in Florida while vhs is an afterthought to the high school football world.
Radio Listener
October 14th, 2009
9:58 am
The same effect Grayson has had in Gwinnett with Brookwood and Parkview is happening in Valdosta with Lowndes. 19-20 just isn’t going to cut in at that school and they are not going to stand for it. The only way is to expand the city limits or redraw the lines. To those of you who are bothered by the emphasis on winning at the high school level, please hush. That’s what it’s about period in some high schools. The same people that say it’s too much about winning wouldn’t send their kids to Cross Keys, North Springs, Meadowcreek, Berkmar or any other school where winning doesn’t exist they just simply field a team. The Valdosta City School Board is just tired of hearing it year in and year out from Lowndes about the stompings each year. If you don’t believe it go spend a solid week in Valdosta. Growth draws from talent pools and in the end that is what has happened in Valdosta, GA located in Lowndes County. Yet at the same time Valdosta still has and will always have the resources to be a state contender year in and year out so something had to give and usually it’s the coach. The coach will be alright but the Valdosta people don’t kick out the money for 19-20 head coaches.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
9:58 am
Another site claims that Valdosta High School has an enrollment of 1,985 students. Where on earth has the Valdosta excuse thread come up with the MISINFORMATION of Valdosta High School having 1800 students. There are more than 150 boys who try out for the football team every season. To pretend that Valdosta is at a competitive disadvantage is an absolute fraud!
Valdosta’s enrollment: http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/browse_school/ga/1744
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
10:00 am
The funny thing is that people at vhs could watch a movie like “Varsity Blues” or “Blue Chips” and not see themselves in the pathetic roles of the daddies or sugar daddies/Happy’s.
With 1500 Boosters, great community support and all that ca-a-sh, you still can’t buy 1. another state title 2. a coach 3. your dignity
panhandlebuzz
October 14th, 2009
10:00 am
Grow up and get over it Valdosta. One poster said the basketball team was competitive; another noted that the school had become “drug central”. It tough to become the “inner city” school, with a majority black enrollment, but stuff happens. Valdosta your day has come and those that you “thumped” over the years are exacting their revenge and loving it. Goodbye !!
Good Dawg
October 14th, 2009
10:03 am
I hope Coffee High follows in Valdosta’s footsteps and FIRES their coach as well.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
10:03 am
Stop The Madness: Booster club members be given the opportunity to see gamefilm is not unique to Valdosta High School. Many, many programs offer this opportunity to their boosters who annually provide money and financial support to all athletic activities.
A 19-20 record and regularly becoming a program that fails to reach the State Playoffs is why Rick Tomberlin was correctly fired at Valdosta High School. People claiming demographics, race, Lowndes County, and other excuses are fooling themselves. It is the lack of winning and the fact that at Valdosta Rick Tomberlin’s teams have REGULARLY quit. They look unprepared and unwilling to compete when faced with adversity. When that happens, there are problems for any head coach.
GSU Eagle 91
October 14th, 2009
10:04 am
This makes me laugh…I remember Rick’s Washington County Hawks being a perennial contender for state titles. That small town has no more talent than surrounding towns. What Valdosta is doing is exactly what has occurred at UGA before Mark Richt arrived. That is, live in the past, with trustees and boosters having too much input about the daily operations of the program.
After Coach Tomberlin leaves, Valdosta will realize the mistake it has made. And after UGA runs off Mark Richt, it will be back to 8-4 every year.
hsfbnut
October 14th, 2009
10:09 am
This is where we are in high school football. Rec league wanta be coaches have instilled in players head that they will be Pro’s and they begin their high School careers with I don’t have work hard or be a team player, because I going to be paid lots of money. Then we as fans forget that a Coach that is a winner sometimes may have losing record when it comes to win and loses, but may be a CHAMPION when making men out of boys….It win championships at all cost.
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
10:11 am
GSU
You are on the money. What has been a source of strength and pride for vhs (the community support & the Boosters) is EXACTLY one factor hindering their success now. Too many chefs…yada, yada, yada. Where it could be a source of great advantage, now, the coach can’t just coach, he has to butter up Booster Bob and run the offense that suits Booster Bill. And if the cycle spins and it’s a lean year (as far as talent) God help the coach.
I don’t see any underpinings to the firing. The funny thing is they were more patient with tomberloser than others (1-9?) Come on.
I LOVE me some high school football but it is clear that their lives are a little too tightly wound around the performances of children.
hsfbnut
October 14th, 2009
10:11 am
Maybe Valdosta can take a lesson from Little Valdosta.. LIncoln County that when you support Coaches Players and come together as a Communty you can be a winner
BTB
October 14th, 2009
10:12 am
I thing ATL Dawg should be the new coach since he has seen every game since 1979. Shouldn’t you be VAL Dawg or do you drive down every Friday night?
Bainbridge Bearcat
October 14th, 2009
10:18 am
We started playing Valdosta my sophomore season – Bazemore’s last season. They fired their next coach (Charlie Greene) for losing three games over two years. Sounds like to me Valdosta is slipping.
The reality is that Valdosta needs to start playing AAAA instead of AAAAA.
Stop The Madness
October 14th, 2009
10:20 am
@ Eagle Nation rising ” Booster club members being given the opportunity to see gamefilm is not unique to Valdosta High School. Many, many programs offer this opportunity to their boosters who annually provide money and financial support to all athletic activities.”
What is the purpose of this pratice? Again finacial support of a program should not entitle you to nothing more than supporting the program. Situations like this create “Too many chiefs and not enough Indians”. With in the TD Club does the $50 booster have as much say as the $500 booster. This is a prime example of people who can not actually do a job but want to pay money to be able to say how a job should be done. If you are truly supporting a program you give your money and step back and let those hired to run program do their jobs. Otherwise you are just trying to be like these guys that pay big money to play ball with professional athletes because they know they can not play with them under any other circumstances.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
10:21 am
GSU Eagle 91: This is a high school blog. However, since you brought it up Georgia will finish 6-6 if we are lucky. It is entirely UNACCEPTABLE, by the way. Paul Johnson has made strides forward at Georgia Tech as Richt and his staff are clearly going backwards. Of course, Mark Richt is different than Rick Tomberlin. What Tomberlin did at Washington County means nothing at VHS. People in Valdosta do not care about Sandersville! If Mark Richt had gone 1-9, 9-3, 6-4; failed to reach the state playoffs in 2 out of 3 years; and coached a team that just quit time and time again, Richt would get run out of Athens too.
Richt, unlike Tomberlin, won 2 SEC Championships in his first five years in Athens. That gave Richt some goodwill. It is similar to the situation that Bryan Way finds himself in at Warner Robins. Under normal circumstances, he would have been fired. However, he won a State Championship at Warner Robins in 2004 and reached the State Semifinals two years later. Coaches like Georgia’s Richt and Warner Robins’ Way have won. Tomberlin has produced nothing at Valdosta and has not won.
68 viking
October 14th, 2009
10:24 am
valdosta ha just put its self in a hole , with 12 shovels to dig a deeper hole. this move will contuinet pattern of loosing to the vikings for another 6 years . God bless coach T and his family
AFAN
October 14th, 2009
10:24 am
If a PROGRAM has had 3 coaches in the past 10 years and all were fired because they were losers…then the only logical argument for who ruined the program would fall to the person or committee that hired all of these coaches.
There is absolutely no way around this question…is the hiring done by the principal or a search committee made up of boosters…can anyone with real knowledge answer this.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
10:27 am
Stop The Madness: It only creates too many chiefs if the coaches fail to teach their players how to execute. As I have said, this is not unique to Valdosta’s booster club. I did not see the pre-game film that Tomberlin showed the Valdosta booster club before his Wildcats came to McConnell-Talbert Stadium last season. What I did see is a team full of players wearing the Valdosta uniform who quit long before the Northside-Valdosta game was over. They just stopped trying.
If that happened at Northside, people would begin to question the very highly compensated head coach. Tomberlin’s team quit. You do not give up 57 POINTS to Lowndes County if your kids are trying. Go ahead and blame the booster club. Do me a favor. Name one coach that remained head coach at Valdosta HS with a sub-0.500 record. Name just one that won less than 50% of his games at Valdosta…four years into being head coach and kept his job.
The Tomberlin Sympathists on this site this morning are hilarious. The guy is 19-20 at Valdosta High School. It is the Booster Clubs fault!
Red Devil Fan
October 14th, 2009
10:28 am
I visited Valdosta during Labor Day weekend and visited both campuses. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why Lowdnes is more successful at the present time than Valdosta. There was a big difference in facilities with LHS looking more modern and up-to-date than VHS. It appears to me that the county kids are choosing to stay at LHS as opposed to attending the city school. I rather enjoy seeing the county school having more success than the city system. I guess that the boosters and coaching staff have not done a good enough job recruiting during the past few years. Way to go Lowdnes!!
68 viking
October 14th, 2009
10:29 am
valdosta has just guaranted another 6 year loosing streak to the vikings. They are in a hole and have just given them selves 12 shovels to dig even deeper. Pride will not allow them to wake up and smell the coffee.
JohnnyT
October 14th, 2009
10:32 am
ATL Dawg…it’s pretty obvious you have never coached. Go coach a few years at the high school level and you’ll quickly find that winning comes down to players. Coaches make a few adjustments, set the tone in the weight room, but most of the time talent wins. Valdosta has now gotten rid of 3 quality coaches over the past 10 years or so. I agree with several posters…why would ANYONE want to go there?
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
10:32 am
Rick Tomberlin won 3 State Championships at Washington County HS. It is a stretch to say that either the principal or the search committee failed to do their job when making the hire. There are many coaches who can succeed at Valdosta High School. The reasons why Tomberlin failed fall on Tomberlin. People blaming Boosters and others have obviously not seen Valdosta play over the past few years. They do not play hard for 10 games. They have glimpses of very competitive play. They played their tales off against Northside at Bazemore-Hyder Stadium a few weeks ago. Nonetheless, they also show a lack of will to compete. When they get down, they quit.
Big Booza
October 14th, 2009
10:34 am
I agree with Dacula. You cannot win without talent. Valdosta is suffering from urban growth. Their community has expanded with the development of communities outside of the city limits. The result is that the talent has also moved. Changing a dedicated coach, who really can coach, is not the answer. Maybe they need to do like Buford and move kids in from other districts just to play sports. Their are some kids on that Buford team that actually live in Atlanta. Go figure.
twodawgs
October 14th, 2009
10:35 am
AFAN: you are correct. Football boosters don’t hire school superintendents so why should a super. hire the football coach? Valdosta has some of the best football minds around who have been a part of Valdost’s tradition of success. Those are the ones who should be making the recommendation to the super. And I don’t mean the TD club members. I mean former coaches who played under Baze and Hyder and knew how to coach and win championships. Chairman of the search committee should be Jack Rudolph. They don’t come any better.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
10:35 am
Johnny T: Going 19-20 over three and a half seasons is FAR from quality coaching.
yo
October 14th, 2009
10:35 am
hsfbnut your 10:11 statement has been the best on this blog.
The crazies got rid of Obrian when they shouldn’t have and they haven’t been the same since.
I didn’t see Northside fire their coach last year like Valdosta fired Obrian simply because he didn’t win a state championship the next year or two.
I only see Lowndes getting stronger as a result of this and the other shenanigan politics going on at Valdosta.
I’m thinking many in the city would rather see Valdosta “un”annex some of the city back to Lowndes.
I thought any coach who came to Valdosta when Tomberlin did was only signing his death sentence and that will be true of the next one that shows up also.
Valdosta will not compete again on the level they once did but the crazies who run the TD club will not settle for less.
They may win another state championship again one day but the string of titles they used to put together is now over, at least in AAAAA.
At some point they will have humbled themselves to realize the truth but that day seems to be a ways off.
Pride goes before the fall is what I have always heard and oh how the prideful have fallen.
Kind of remeinds me of Pharoah in the Bible refusing to realize he was up against a new kind of foe and continuing to see himself as the greatest when he wasn’t.
Like Pharoah it appears Valdosta is now going through their DEAD SEA experience.
ENR is right about one thing and that is Lowndes had the team that should have won State last year but didn’t. Sometimes no matter how good the coaching the kids just don’t give their best that night when the other team does.
The difference in Lowndes and Valdosta is we still have our coach and are very glad that we do.
LOOOOOOOOSERS
October 14th, 2009
10:39 am
You guys crack me up. GET A LIFE! The level of venom in these posts is way, way, way out of proportion to the matter at hand. If HS or College football was the high point of your life, I truly feel sorry for you. There are a lot of things that are way more important than the W/L record of a bunch of 16 and 17 year olds.
Seriously, get a grip.
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
10:40 am
68 viking–TRUE. “Pride cometh before the fall” they say but vhs done fell and they can’t get up and still, they carry that pride around like it’s going to get them somewhere that talent, hard work and perspective won’t.
Their pride in past accomplishments prevents them from dealing in here and now realities. It’s great when people like this get their comeuppance. Remember when Bama lost to UCF? Good times. Good times.
You can fire tomberloser. He deserves it. Especially for his loser ways and his stupidity. But YOU hired him. Never leave your own stupidity out of the equation, Loservillians. You can continue to talk about your winning past but to people under 50, you are just losers, pwned by Lowndes County and all the talk and boosters and money–and even your next “Supercoach” won’t bring you back to bygone days before internet, cellphones and 40 point losses. WELCOME TO THE PRESENT, LOSERVILLIANS.
Haiku-575
October 14th, 2009
10:40 am
Tomberlin is out.
Valdosta is reeling now,
yet the world still spins.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
10:42 am
Most superintendents focus on administration, human resource issues, and school system policy. Why are Boosters involved? That is pretty simple. FOLLOW THE MONEY. What do you guys think the person taking the head football coaching job expects to be compensated? It is not going to come via a coaches salary.
The Booster Clubs take the rest of the bill and the leadership of the Booster Club is more than entitled to have a voice. If you guys do not like that, you should call your County Commissioner and request higher property taxes and demand that the School System fund high school sports. Guess what??? That is NEVER going to happen…ever.
The money flowing through the Valdosta High School athletic department is very, very well documented by major new publications. Valdosta High School earns as much money as Valdosta State University’s athletic department. That is BIG money. Those guys are going to get a voice and DESERVE a voice.
Do you guys really believe a teacher or a superintendent knows football. That would be like the President of a university picking the football coach, instead of an Athletic Director. Top high school programs mirror college programs. In college sports, the money people have a voice. The Valdosta Touchdown Club is going to ALWAYS have a voice!
dagrapevine
October 14th, 2009
10:42 am
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Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
10:45 am
My favorite part is the way these self-referential losers constantly bring up the past and the records but the glaringly ugly truth in their face is that they fired a coach who won on the biggest stage in the country, is still winning there and they acted like he wasn’t good enough. That’s OK. Keep ignoring the facts. Bring up Hazemore and Snyder
There are plenty of good coaches. That they aren’t succeeding at vhs says more about vhs than anything else. And, unlike most grown folk, vhs adults lack the wherewithal to look inward and figure out how they contributed to the mess.
Good luck to Lowndes County–the king of south Georiga football.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
10:49 am
Yo: Your man crush on Randy McPherson is disturbing. You are blaming the PLAYERS! Clearly Lowndes County kids have been unprepared and did everything possible to clean up McPherson’s sloppy game preparation. We all know that Lowndes County was the best team in the state, by far. Remember our Eagles played at Lowndes County and Camden County, the eventual state champions. Dude, it was not even close. Lowndes was MUCH better. Randy McPherson clearly won the 2008 Buck Godfrey Award.
If you are honest Yo, you know that Lowndes County is more talented and more experienced than Northside in 2009. If you are blaming the players for what happened at the MAC, you simply have a blinded man crush on McPherson. The guy was so thoroughly outcoached, it puts him on the path for earning his second straight Buck Godfrey Award. It will be a tight race between McPherson and Peachtree Ridge’s head football coach Bill Ballard. He and McPherson are the new kings of doing less with more…just like former Southwest DeKalb head coach Buck Godfrey.
Gt4ever
October 14th, 2009
10:51 am
I will bet you that EagleNationRising has NEVER worn a jock, and I will bet that he has never coached at the High School level. I will also bet that he is a UGA fan! All this crap he is spewing is typical CRAP!
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
10:54 am
Billy H8r: Can you tell us all how a coach who is one game out of last place in Region 1-AAAAA, just coached a team that gave up 57 points, and sits at a career record of 19-20 is doing a good job. Let’s all agree that Rick Tomberlin is obviously a very good football coach. He has 3 State Championships.
Billy, you would have to agree that a person can be a very good coach yet go through a period that he is not doing a very good job. Rick Tomberlin is paid to do a very good job as the head football coach at Valdosta High School. I find it challenging that you and others pretend that the guy is doing such a good job.
We all know that he is a good coach. That is not his job. He is not paid to be a good coach and polish his State Championship rings from another school. His compensated to do a good job as the head football coach at Valdosta High School. He has not perfomed the task that he is compensated to do.
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
10:56 am
Your brown nosing to the Boosters show the mentality that made it possible for kings and dictators to rule for years. Seriously. You defer b/c they have money? They DESERVE a voice? So, I can walk in, write a check and I know something all of sudden? You are a b****, not a man.
And if they DESERVE a voice, why are they so out of tune?
vhs stinks. It’s gonna be like that for a while. Meanwhile, good coaches you got rid of are excelling, winning, putting their kids in college and people who know them and respect them are smirking at your loserville ways. I spit on your tradition. I urinate on the graves of your coaches. I curse their spirits with my left hand, no less. I laugh at your attempts to act like you know as your program continues to spiral down like feces making its way down the toilet.
NorthsideWR fan
October 14th, 2009
10:58 am
I have never understood two power-house football teams in Lowndes county.
Combine the school systems which would mean trouble for the rest of AAAAA schools.
Coach Nix is the greatest.
Brian
October 14th, 2009
10:58 am
It isn’t Lowndes County High School. It is Lowndes High School. Face it, Valdosta = Losersville.
Billy H8r
October 14th, 2009
10:59 am
You won’t get an argument from me on the validity of the fire but you made the hire!
I think tomberloser is a loser. And a loser who had the audacity to criticize the former guy, who actually won there (and is still winning BTW).
Enjoy the unemployment checks, tomberloser.
And sadly, Eagle, you and the vhs fans can enjoy a similar type of unemployment as your job is to make the playoff and be a good football team. In Trump’s words,”You’re fired.”
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
11:03 am
Gt4ever: I will happily email you my name. You may then go on to Google or any search site. My playing and coaching career will run approximately 5 pages. As I have told many posters on this site, that I hope we all have an opportunity to meet durig the State Championships, whether our teams make it or not. Frankly, I would be SHOCKED if our young Eagles ran the table.
Yes, I am a very proud fan of Georgia football and I have been since I was a child. I have a great deal of respect for Mark Richt and the way that he goes about doing things. Since I know Paul Johnson and many memeber of his staff like Brian Bohannan, Mike Sewak, and others, I am not the least disappointed that those guys are winning at Georgia Tech. As I tell them, I will be pulling for the Jackets for 11 out of 12 games. I also know Patrick Nix, who was the former offensive coordinator at GT. He is the son of Northside head coach Conrad Nix.
Frankly, a part of my heart smiled as they beat the Dawgs last season. I fully expect Coach Johnson and the Jackets to beat Georgia again this season. Of course, I will be wearing red and black and pulling for the Dawgs.
By the way, I did not wear a jock strap. That is something that is a little past my time. We wear a type of compression short. Jock straps are for older guys or guys like you, who have NEVER succeeded in sports in their entire lives. If you really knew sports and are under the age of 35, you would know that jock straps is more of a historic term. You expoosed yourself, GT4ever!
K-MAN
October 14th, 2009
11:04 am
RICK T….Im sorry this happened to you! I know you did all you could do there…but the truth is …youre not appreciated! I know that you are a wonderful coach. Ive seen you coach at WASHINGTON HIGH. VALDOSTA is just spoiled! They want to win a championship over night! Tell them this is not the old days where they used to be the biggest school in GEORGIA…things are more level now. Tell the ones that fired you to coach the team and see what they can do! Dont worry about it… come on over to LANEY HIGH in AUGUSTA…we`ll be more than GLAD to have you!
Buckshot
October 14th, 2009
11:05 am
There is an old saying among coaches…” A coach is only is only as good as the players that step off the bus” Tomberlin won at WACO because he had more talent than everyone else. He hasn’t won at Valdosta because Lowndes has more talent than everyone else!!!!!!!!!!
rah
October 14th, 2009
11:08 am
Everyone that keeps talking about VHS dropping down to AAAA – STOP. VHS can not drop down to AAAA they are a AAAAA school because that’s where their student enrollment numbers puts them. They have no more of a disadvantage than Northside or any other school on the bottom end of AAAAA student enrollment. You know, the same Northside that beat Lowndes the week before they put 57 points on VHS.
AFAN
October 14th, 2009
11:10 am
My earlier post was a little tongue in cheek…it is easy to see that the coaches hired were not losers…so why did they suddenly become losers when they got to VHS.
The way I see it…they have all had great success in their careers…they take a well paying job at one of if not the most storied programs in the country…they show up on campus and begin to install the culture that has made them successful everywhere they have ever coached…then someone gets bent out of shape because one of the coaches culture changes (whatever that might be) fly’s against a tradition that has been practiced for years at Valdosta…then one of the “Big Boosters” has a little sit-down with the coach…the coach makes a few adjustments and tries to make everyone happy…then he installs the offense that he knows backwards and forwards…it sputters a little in the spring game because the kids are struggling to pick up the new system, and of course the D always comes along faster, the coach knows this to be true…but again some of the boosters start talking around town and shooting emails back and forth and then again one of the “Big Boosters” has a sit down with coach…this trend continues week in and week out…”why would coach call that play”, “the boys look slow, what kind of conditioning program does this coach run”, “Johnny was a stud in little league, why is coach sitting him on the bench”, on and on…now the coach has made 20 little changes to the system that has made him successful…and the worst part, and this is the most important part, the coach begins to question himself and his system and his staff…quietly at night he wonders if his success at the other schools was lack of competition or loaded with talent or whatever.
To compound this problem…the players are told at home around the dinner table and out in the community that their coach doesn’t have what it takes…that he does not understand the Valdosta way…and after hearing and reading this over and over players (16, 17 and 18 year old kids) lose confidence in their coach…and that’s why they quit in the middle of the game…they just don’t believe (why would they, the parents, uncles and neighbors told them they are playing for a loser)
Now I realize that this happens at every school to a certain degree…but Valdosta has taken it to a new level…I bet O’brien is laughing his head off.
Blazerfan
October 14th, 2009
11:11 am
FACTS:
1.Old school boosters and touchdown club members run the VHS football program. Until the old farts die off or such the VHS program will be a failure. They are living in the past! VHS should have sold (and may yet do so) Bazemore-Hyder stadium to VSU. They could build a new stadium near their school and create a more cohesive student/parents/teachers/supporters atmosphere that would serve the school well.
2. Tomberlin does not fit in this community. He tried at Lowndes and failed and now he has failed at Valdosta High.
3. The talent is there for a very good football team at VHS.
4. Lower attendance numbers is not an excuse. Lowndes is in the process of decreasing its numbers as well. There will be a new Pine Grove High school built within the next 2-3 years that will take 800 to a 1000 students from Lowndes. VHS is at the optimum numbers (1976 high school students) for a AAAAA school.
5. Unless you live in the community, you cannot fully understand what is happening at VHS. The old school politics is destroying VHS.
Paddy
October 14th, 2009
11:12 am
Enter your comments here
Stop The Madness
October 14th, 2009
11:13 am
“Do you guys really believe a teacher or a superintendent knows football. That would be like the President of a university picking the football coach, instead of an Athletic Director. Top high school programs mirror college programs. In college sports, the money people have a voice. The Valdosta Touchdown Club is going to ALWAYS have a voice!”
It is as though you are comparing the TD Club which all you need to be a booster is money. No experience needed. To an Athletic Director who should be Master-Level educated and a former athlete and coach. And the decision making should be made by people who invest(Not support because investors look for some type of return on their money)money into the program. Regardless of how much money is INVESTED the decisions should be made by school employees and not community investors.
PHIL
October 14th, 2009
11:15 am
I think it’s disgusting that people who post on a high school blog can understand that talent is what makes a team and people who post on a college board can’t quite grasp the concept.
Paul From Milton
October 14th, 2009
11:15 am
EagleNationRising – how do you walk away from the mirror every morning? Get over yourself for God’s sake.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
11:19 am
Stop The Madness: At most Georgia high schools, the athletic director and football coach are the same guy.
Why is it any different for a Booster Club member to demand a voice than a property tax payer having a voice on scholl curriculum or a bus schedule. You do not have to be an expert in an area to have a voice, especially if you provide funding for that activity. For example, you pay for schools if you own a home. Therefore, you have a voice. If one funds an athletic program, that person has a voice.
It should not be the only voice because a football coach is more than just a football coach. That person should fit well with other teachers and be on the same page as the administration as a leader at the school. Boosters can not determine that. The people in the school should determine that. However, the Valdosta Touchdown Club should be a part of the solution.
Valdosta is losing to more teams than just Lowndes County. Valdosta is losing all over the region.
blazerdawg
October 14th, 2009
11:20 am
Some of these comments about Valdosta as a community and school just do not ring true. I am a native and resident of North Georgia, but spent some time in Valdosta and really appreciated the folks and atmosphere down there. The town is friendly, clean, and relatively progressive. They do have some rabid high school fans, but their success has always been due to their hard work and the unique makeup of the town. Hope both the Vikings and Wildcats have success in the future.
dagrapevine
October 14th, 2009
11:21 am
the head coach back to bazemore days has always had a review of the last game with fans.the vtdc provides this by covering the cost,however the public is invited.all vtdc members pay $20.00 a year for a membership.its a community oriented club.no 1000./500./100./50. dollar
members.greene resigned over issues he was told to address and he didnt.o’brien was named ad/hc after an interim season in 96 the year hyder died.same as with greene and those issues where non-football related.tomberlin’s correct record by season is 06/1-9,07/9-3,08/5-5 09/4-3 and its a backdoor chance to make the play-offs.the issue for the supt. and the vboe is revenue for all athelectics and football is the only sport that pays for its self.with the potential of missing the play-offs 3 out of 4 years the gate is way down and the cost for other sports will be hard to cover.parents may have to cover the cost to help out with the exspence like purchase extra balls.several viking coaches who will remain nameless say valdosta has great talent and shouldnt be struggling like they have been.tomberlin is a nice guy and needed to shake up his offensive staff.he was told whoever and whatever he needed in coaches or equipment it would be provived.he stated he had the coaches and the players to compete for a state title in 09/10.
now you make the call.darlington inherited a loaded team in 03 with a roster of 86 players.tomberlin inherited 53 players his first year with 11 of them being seniors.in 03 vhs 9th grade team drilled every one that year including the lhs bunch who went on to win 2 state titles.when darlington left only 11 where still there and only 3 that mattered.he ran the rest off.
to suggest bazmore and hyder who where two men with great integrity lied,cheated and stole talent to win shows your lack of respect for two of the greatest coaches of all time.they could just flat out coach most anyone on a friday nite regardless of talent.coaching matters just ask alabama since they hired saban or colquitt co. since they hired prosbt.look what both have done in 2 seasons.btw in the 50’s and 60’s valdosta was a aa school playing up in aaa and won 12 state and 2 natl titles.if coaching dont matter and its the size of your school with some talent why dont collins hill dominate 5a?how many region/state titles have they won?
SportsFan31313
October 14th, 2009
11:33 am
I’m sorry that this had to come to to the firing of Rick Tomberlin, but I really Rick knew what he was getting himself into when he signed the contract to become Head Coach for such a School with a winning tradition. A school with a great fan base, and big time community involvement.
I don’t no where in the State of Georgia that such a strong support system as the one held in Valdosta. Don’t get me wrong, they are some good ones but they are not as strong as the one you have in Valdosta , Lowndes County Georgia.We all know that in the State Of Georgia, that football is not just a sport, but it is Big Business as it bring a heck of a lot of revenue to the County and the School System, and if you don’t know, you had better wake up and smell the Coffee. Rick got caught up in the Political Game where you have absolutely no permanent friends and no permanent enemies.
But I will tell you what? I like Rick Tomberlin, and he can Damn sure come to Region 3-AAAAA Bradwell Institute o coach there because the same thing is cooking quietly in Hinesville, and my goodness, don’t we need him there. The present Coach does not have the intensity to get the new kids to respond to his methods, and it is sad. Bradwell Institute use to Dominate this Region, and since he has been there, the results have been substandard, and the win loss record have been inconsistent or just mediocre.
Over they years, times have changed, and the friendship system of who you know does not work any longer. You have to put up results when you take on a job such as this, and no that a lot of things that you may not like, comes with the territory.
Stop The Madness
October 14th, 2009
11:36 am
The difference is EagleNationRising is that football like all other athletic activity is extra curriculum. It is not mandatory for my child to play sports but it is mandatory for my child to attend school. High school sports in general is all voluntary. It is not a necessity. It gives the kid something to do but not all high schools paly football. SO when you try to compare my having a say in the school curriculum to a kid playing football you are way off base and furhter strengthen my poit that TD booster clubs are nothing more than a group of wanna bes with money who THINK they are important but in the big picture really are not. Remember. Football is just a game and trying to control a high school program shows you have a lot of growing up to do. You guys are fanatics which is Fanatic and zealot both suggest excessive or overweening devotion to a cause or belief. Fanatic further implies unbalanced or obsessive behavior: a wild-eyed fanatic. Zealot, only slightly less unfavorable in implication than fanatic, implies single-minded partisanship: a tireless zealot for tax reform. Militant stresses vigorous, aggressive support for or opposition to a plan or ideal and suggests a combative stance. Thats how you guys look to the rest of the football world.
AFAN
October 14th, 2009
11:36 am
Come-on…anyone that doesn’t think Valdosta did a little stretching of the rules in it’s hay-day are crazy…I’m not saying the coaches cheated but when large numbers of 8th graders were held back because their parents did not think they were mature enough to go to high school…and, i’m pretty sure all those players were not born and raised in Valdosta…I’m just saying
jamlock
October 14th, 2009
11:46 am
thug and drug central…………hahahahahaha
BrookFan
October 14th, 2009
11:53 am
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of inbred white people who hang on to the past like a life preserver. A life preserver for their fetid, inbred, yellow lives (hence the yellow stripes in that Valdosta cartoon uniform). This ain’t the colored folk – believe me.
Most of the obnoxious bozos in the Valdosta fan base are the ones who can “remember when”. These clowns are NEVER going to have what they had THIRTY YEARS AGO (the eighties is a long time ago).
Cheer up, Whinersville, you look good bein’ losers.
james mcrae
October 14th, 2009
12:03 pm
Rick get your bags and move on, vhs is living in the 1900 er. you will get a great job some where.
DogDawg
October 14th, 2009
12:04 pm
How about hiring Mike Bobo?
Mark
October 14th, 2009
12:05 pm
I think Valdosta pulled the trigger a little early on this one. They have to realize that most of the talent has shifted over to Lowdnes. Its just like all the old power houses such as Parkview. When they are constantly building new schools and taking kids from their old school zones. Most of the talent is gonna choose to go where the new program is. Camden County remains a powerhouse because there is no in town rivalry to compete with them for athletes. This is the situation Valdosta used to be in. When and if they build a new school to lower the over crowding population then they will be faced with this problem just like Valdosta, Parkview, and any other old powerhousesTomberlin has proven that he is a good coach. If he can’t win a state championship in Valdosta, then it ain’t many people can.
reality check
October 14th, 2009
12:15 pm
IT is obvious. VHS is out, the new is Blue Ray or DVD!
K
October 14th, 2009
12:15 pm
They fired the last guy that won a state title…if he wasn’t good enough, then nobody will be…do you really think a coach can come in and produce a winner knowing that anything short of a state title will have him looking for another job in exactly 4 years. Valdosta doesn’t want a coach, they want a mercenary that will win at all cost. It’s funny that nowhere have I read anything about the kids and the impact that it has on them…just about there talent level…apparently if they don’t win championships they don’t matter either! It’s sad…karma just might be the reason Valdosta won’t ever be what it once was….just a thought.
Check Your Fire, Check Your Fire...
October 14th, 2009
12:22 pm
Eagle Nation Rising @ 10:03,
You’ve hit on an immutable problem with Valdosta High School. Clearly VHS has coaching problems, but it also clearly has demographic problems – not enough high quality white athletes. VHS has the Vick-syndrome – too many black athletes that quit too easily. VHS needs to hire a black coach who can turn them into the next Monroe HS (Dougherty County) or Albany HS or Dougherty County HS or,…well, you get the picture.
Get used to losing, Winnersville.
AFAN
October 14th, 2009
12:25 pm
My earlier post was a little tongue in cheek…it is easy to see that the coaches hired were not losers…so why did they suddenly become losers when they got to VHS.
The way I see it…they have all had great success in their careers…they take a well paying job at one of if not the most storied programs in the country…they show up on campus and begin to install the culture that has made them successful everywhere they have ever coached…then someone gets bent out of shape because one of the coaches culture changes (whatever that might be) fly’s against a tradition that has been practiced for years at Valdosta…then one of the “Big Boosters” has a little sit-down with the coach…the coach makes a few adjustments and tries to make everyone happy…then he installs the offense that he knows backwards and forwards…it sputters a little in the spring game because the kids are struggling to pick up the new system, and of course the D always comes along faster, the coach knows this to be true…but again some of the boosters start talking around town and shooting emails back and forth and then again one of the “Big Boosters” has a sit down with coach…this trend continues week in and week out…”why would coach call that play”, “the boys look slow, what kind of conditioning program does this coach run”, “Johnny was a stud in little league, why is coach sitting him on the bench”, on and on…now the coach has made 20 little changes to the system that has made him successful…and the worst part, and this is the most important part, the coach begins to question himself and his system and his staff…quietly at night he wonders if his success at the other schools was lack of competition or loaded with talent or whatever.
To compound this problem…the players are told at home around the dinner table and out in the community that their coach doesn’t have what it takes…that he does not understand the Valdosta way…and after hearing and reading this over and over players (16, 17 and 18 year old kids) lose confidence in their coach…and that’s why they quit in the middle of the game…they just don’t believe (why would they, the parents, uncles and neighbors told them they are playing for a loser)
Now I realize that this happens at every school to a certain degree…but Valdosta has taken it to a new level…I bet O’brien is laughing his head off.
AFAN
October 14th, 2009
12:26 pm
Sorry that was a re-post…I don’t know how that happened
reality..
October 14th, 2009
12:28 pm
Yes you have to have some talent, but it’s all about development, coaching, talent and winning with what u have. What about Brookwood with all that talent and very few get college scholarships and now with the daddy ball going on losing games that they have the talent to win. You need to develop your youth player and 3 years aren’t enough to do that unless of course you start paying players to play for you. (Brookwood) lol…If you can’t coach, then do like Crews has done with his staff ..turn your nose up at everyone else and blame your kids.. cause daddy ball doesn’t win.. .think about it…..
Check Your Fire, Check Your Fire...
October 14th, 2009
12:31 pm
AFAN,
Any coach, ANYWHERE, gets second guessed – nothing new there. You have to stay with what works, if it works. If it doesn’t, you better adjust.
Valdosta is an increasingly polarized town in a modern age. Welcome to Whinersville.
Mutley
October 14th, 2009
12:43 pm
EagleNationRising is exactly right. Tomberlin was and is a good AAA or AA coach where the team only needs a few plays and a few stars. He is just not capable of winning at the AAAAA level against good programs. Look at the games against Colquitt County (Rush Probst) NSWR (Conrad Nix) and of course Lowndes (Randy McPherson).
UGAKev {true dawg fan}
October 14th, 2009
12:49 pm
This coach can coach. You don’t win 3 state titles on pure luck. That region he is in is probably the toughest region in the state. You put any one of the top teams from another region in that region and they would probably piss on themselves. That region is like the SEC.
Steve
October 14th, 2009
12:53 pm
Hire him at Forsyth Central NOW! 0-6 and deserve it. Sorry but true! The Forsyth County high schools have all struggled, especially within the district they play in. Can’t touch the Gwinnett or private school’s, in , can barely score.
yo
October 14th, 2009
1:13 pm
Well then ENR your logic leads me to this conclusion.
It was pretty obvious to me watching and seeing the Northside team that Northside is more talented than Valdosta overall. Much bigger along the line of scrimmage and just as fast. So tell me how it is that Valdosta’s soon to be ex coach out coached Nix in the game against Northside. Valdosta would have won except for all of those missed field goals.
Was it Tomberlins fault he had a hurt player for a kicker? NO!
So with a healthy kicker your coach was simply out coached by Tomberlin.
Don’t give me this poo poo Northside won. Northside won despite your coach letting his much more physical team get out played.
Northside won because despite being outcoached by Tomberlin a normally sure footed kicker had a bad game due to an injury.
A more physical Northside should have dominated the cats.
Whodat
October 14th, 2009
1:16 pm
Two words, Welton Coffee!! Offensive Coordinator @ Camden Co. Coached Raines HS to a state championship in FL.
Dacula
October 14th, 2009
1:18 pm
ATL DAWG: Why the venom? I said that I didn’t know how much talent Valdosta has. I don’t even know if Rick Tomberlin is a good coach. I said coaching is overrated and you act like I kicked your dog. If that is not a true statement that I made, then how did Tomberlin win all of those titles at Washington County? If he is as inept as you say, then all of those state championships at Washington County were won by they players. Refer back to what I said: The coaching was overrated.
faboom
October 14th, 2009
1:27 pm
The same thing that is happening here happened to Coach O’brian just a few years ago, although O’b only lost 3 games and was given the boot. Valdosta is obviously more worried about winning than who is more talented. Lowndes entire team is full of extremely talented kids and this was a building year for Valdosta.
Haiku-575
October 14th, 2009
1:46 pm
Listen Valdosta –
Don’t try to hire Coach “Devo”
He stays in Griffin !!
tchr
October 14th, 2009
1:58 pm
If the economy fixes, and Lowndes is able to go through with plans to build a new high school, Valdosta’s football problem will fix itself. The plan has Lowndes building a school to compete in something like AAA division, splitting off about 1000 students from LHS. Valdosta’s problem with academic competition is yet another problem. After all, isn’t that where the focus should lie at the high school level? It seems to me that the coach is hired as a teacher at this level, and his primary job is to build men for the future. Being a man is not always about winning. Many who comment here, and who had a hand in this very ugly public display of timing in Tomberlin’s firing, seem to live just as Al Bundy – trudging day in and day out at their minimum wage job in their minmally substantial lives while reliving for decades their one pinacle of success, a touchdown in the big game. Let’s put teaching back into high school, and leave the emphasis on winning to the pros.
Roland
October 14th, 2009
2:14 pm
All I remember is the fact that he refused to shake the coach of MLK’s hand after they beat them in the playoffs couple years ago.
norman
October 14th, 2009
2:18 pm
Rick Tomberlin can retire at the end of the year and collect a teacher’s retirement pension of over $65,000 per year (based on the last two years as a head coach). He can get also a head coaching position at a private school with additional pay. So don’t feel too sad for Rick.
Buck Belue
October 14th, 2009
2:19 pm
Why don’t we go ahead and blow up Bazemore-Hyder field? While we’re at it, why don’t we dig up Nick Hyder and then fire him? Heckfire, let’s just smelt down every Valdosta High state championship ring in existence to a gold bar and present it to the Vikings?
Seriously, folks. How about supporting your coach. I know for a fact that it’s not the coaching staff’s fault on this one. How do I know this? Well, I played quarterback at Valdosta High 30 years ago, yall. Guess what? I also won a national championship at the University of Georgia. Have you ever won a national championship? Didn’t think so.
Why don’t we cool it with the “hang’m high” mentality and give this coach the opportunity he deserves. I can promise you, if my name isn’t Buck Belue, that the Cats will rebound from the unprecedented mauling they suffered at the hands of their hated rivals. I promise you they’ll make it to the playoffs. And I promise you they’ll lose by less than 4 touchdowns to the next Johnny Come Lately Atlanta school in the first round.
Trust me on this, yall. I played quarterback at the university of Georgia.
Matt Smith
October 14th, 2009
2:28 pm
Titletown Baby! We will be back!
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
2:29 pm
Yo, that is the difference between the Conrad Nix’s (Northside), Jeff Herron’s (Camden County), Randy McPherson’s (Lowndes County), and Cecil Flowe’s (Parkview) of the world and what Rick Tomberlin has done at Valdosta. The aforementioned coaches get it done.
Believe it or not, there was a movement at Northside High School to get rid of Conrad Nix after the State Championship loss to Statesboro in 2005. The guy had won nearly 90% of his games and the chatter around Warner Robins and much of the state of Georgia was that Conrad Nix could not win the “big one.”
I found that chatter to be absurd since Nix had gone 10-2 on bad years and was regular reaching the quarterfinals or better. I would have honestly been shocked if Valdosta did not fire a 19-20 coach.
As for Northside’s score against Valdosta, I am not certain that Valdosta does not have more talent. We Northside posters have told all of you guys that our team is very, very young. Go to the GPTV archive of the Northside-Lowndes County game. The announcers are constantly talking about sophomores making plays. Northside can lose on any Friday due to inexperience. Valdosta competed, but Valdosta lost. That is the difference between guys like Nix and Tomberlin (@ Valdosta). I stress at Valdosta because Rick Tomberlin has a record that no one can take away from him and 3 State Championships at WaCo (Washington County).
Matt the Brave
October 14th, 2009
2:33 pm
What a bind they would be in if Valdosta High goes on a hot streak and wins the state championship. That would be the ultimate Whoops!
WTF VALDOSTA
October 14th, 2009
2:42 pm
Coach T was a great coach that has lead players to championships and college scholarships and professional carrers… the “big heads” at Valdosta that judge him on his recent seasons are just stupid….they couldnt do a better job than he has…yea he has not been very succesfull there but he has been dedicated and has coach his kids the same way as he has when he lead his former players to championships and college and professional carrers…its just a high school program and it takes years to rebuild a program that hasnt been succesful in recent years…i hope that god blessing him with a winning season and for him to make it to the playoffs or even take him to a championship just to make a fool out of the “big heads” that has judged him… come on Valdosta its just high school not college or professional level and yall will just contiune to go through coaches after coaches if yall dont give one a reasonable chance..his 4-3 not 0-7 and theres games left to be played
Beautiful Monte
October 14th, 2009
2:43 pm
As one poster mentioned, you don’t win the Kentucky Derby on a mule, but the folks who imply that coaching is basically irrelevant are out of their ever-loving minds.
If you don’t believe me, look at some of the Atlanta-area schools – SW DeKalb and Stephenson are two that come to mind – that are LOADED with athletes every season … and yet, how many state championships have THEY won? Heck, even Meadowcreek had SEVEN D-I players a few years ago – and still finished 0-10.
As far as Tomberlin is concerned, you don’t win three state titles at ANY level in Georgia if you’re a buffoon. Having said that, it’s important to remember that when Lowndes fired Tomberlin and Waco hired him, he walked into an absolute goldmine of talent in Sandersville with Robert Edwards, Terrence Edwards, Jessie Miller, et al.
Obviously, a lot of coaches could have won at Waco with that kind of talent, but Tomberlin deserves some credit for not screwing it up.
crash001
October 14th, 2009
2:49 pm
I know the perfect coach for Valdosta – Stephenson High School coach Ron Gartrell should apply for the job.
PEACHES LEE
October 14th, 2009
2:53 pm
2 WHOM IT MAYYYY CONCERN..GOD HAS A PLAN 4 EACH N EVERYONE OF US.SO…SPEAKIN IN BEHALF OF THE HAWK’S NEST,COACH T. HAS MADE MORE THAN CHAMPIONSHIPS IN HIS LIFETIME HE HAS CREATED CHAMPIONS ON & OFF THE FIELD.AND IN MY OPINION IT IS SAD THAT PEOPLE CAN BE HONEST BUT YET SO CRUEL…BUT HEY IT IS WHAT IT IS!!MY FATHER..COACH FRANK LEE HAS NEVER BEEN IN A SITUATION AS THIS BUT HE IS WELL KNOWN FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE AND DOING AS OF TODAY BEING A WARRIOR FOR OUR YOUTH THROUGH OUT THESE YEARS AND WILL STILL CONTINUE LIKE COACH T.SO YOU MAY TRY TO TEAR HIM DOWN BUT HE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US SO PLEASE BE MINDFUL WITH YOUR COMMENTS.AND FOR COACH T..WE STILL LUV U AND DARRIUS LEE (MY SON) SAID YOU WILL BE IMPORTANT IN HIS LIFE NO MATTER WHAT! THE SKY IS THA LIMIT!!
leigh
October 14th, 2009
2:55 pm
I am so sick of everyone wanting to place blame on a coach. Attention over expectant parents: YOUR KIDS ARE NOT THAT GREAT.
AVikingFan
October 14th, 2009
3:04 pm
The last reported high school attendance numbers for the State of Georgia was the March 2009 FTE numbers. Lowndes had 2746 students, Valdosta High School had 1933 students. (1850 or more put schools in AAAAA for the past 2 years)
The October 2009 FTE numbers will soon be published. Beginning the next school year it will take 1900 or more students to be in AAAAA. This will hold true for the next 2 years. Schools can continue to play up, but they can’t play down.
Fot those who question the disparity in size between Lowndes and Valdosta, you now have the official numbers.
Reeze
October 14th, 2009
3:10 pm
Sorry to see Tomberlin go out that way , his Waco teams were some of the best ever……..I watched his Valdosta teams over the last four and often thought to myself ….this isn’t the coach Tomberlin of Waco that I was seeing….. Unlike his Waco teams ,His Valdosta teams lacked intensity , and the will to win , and I agree with ENR ,Valdosta flat out quit vs Northside in 2008 , players and coaches……….Valdosta has just as much or more talent than any in Region – 1 , so don’t go there……Tomberlin ,I know is a good coach ,but not at Valdosta…..It’s a good move fot Rick and the Wildcats.
K
October 14th, 2009
3:12 pm
Check Your Fire, Check Your Fire… So that’s you answer.too many black atheletes! You sir should be banned from ever posting again…those comments were ignorant and totally inappropriate….some of you nameless faceless people have a lot of courage behind a keyboard…that’s just horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!I AM TRULY DONE HERE!
Tider4VAD
October 14th, 2009
3:15 pm
Maybe the VAD booster club can come up with $4.5 -$5.0 Million and Nick Saben will restore the program.
jim
October 14th, 2009
3:18 pm
To Norman: Look again. Teachers have to complete 30 years of service to retire. He has three more years before he can retire, and a high school teacher retirement check NEVER reaches $65,000/year. I have colleagues retiring after this year after thirty plus years of service, and have ended their years with two consecutive years at over $65,000. Their monthly check will be less than $3000 per month. Granted, I imagine there are plenty of schools out there who will be willing to hire a winner at his current state mandated pay scale plus whatever their stipend for coaching might be, but I promise you he won’t retire on $65,000 per year of teacher retirement funds.
Michael Carvell
October 14th, 2009
3:20 pm
No, not surprised at all with Valdosta’s decision. They have an established history of cutting coaches loose who do not meet their expectations, especially in recent years. Rick Tomberlin is a very good coach who knew exactly what he was getting into at Valdosta. He knew this could happen. It did, and I’m sure he will not have a problem finding another head coaching job next year in the state.
#1 Viking Fan
October 14th, 2009
3:21 pm
TO ENR & GRAYSON fans…….Rumor has it that Coach Nix and Coach Conn are the leading candidates for VALDOSTA. They are going to offer more money then your cheap systems can pay
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
3:22 pm
AVikingFan: Thank you for that information. Would you mind posting the link? I can’t believe that people are actually pretending that Valdosta is at an enrollment disadvantage as a AAAAA program. It is absolute propaganda!
Is there any person that can tell us what Rick Tomberlin was making at Valdosta? For all the Tomberlin sympathists out there, I would love for someone from down in Valdosta to help us out and tell us exactly what he is making. My guess is he makes enough money at Valdosta for his program to expect more than 19 wins in 39 games.
bobby
October 14th, 2009
3:30 pm
My family lived in Brooks County in 1965. My dad left my mother when I was quite young. I was starting my junior year playing fullback at Brooks County high when Coach Bazemore offered my mother a job and a place to live in Valdosta just so I could play football for his team. Unfortunately, I hurt my back my senior year and couldn’t complete the year. There were plenty of families who were recruited to VHS football.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
3:33 pm
OK, #1 Viking Fan. Thank you for the information. Conrad Nix (Northside) or Mickey Conn (Grayson) at Valdosta would be Lowndes County’s worst nightmate. I am so happy that we have placed the entire Lowndes County Viking fanbase solely against Northside High School. We all know that you are Grayson-haters. That is what we do to programs like Lowndes County. It is funny because there were a myriad of posters from Tift County, Valdosta, and Lowndes County proclaiming that Northside had so many lessons to learn in Region 1-AAAAA.
Region 1-AAAAA is not very different than any other region Northside plays in. We own it! We have already cost Rick Tomberlin his job and way of life. Bryan Way is barely holding on to employment at Warner Robins HS. One more 2009 season in Tifton and Jay Walls will be getting unemployment benefits from Tift County. Boy, oh boy. You South Georgia boys have really shown us at Northside.
#1VikingFan: Lowndes County fanbase is better than all of this Northside Eagle hating. I once thought it was Grayons posters. I know you guys hate the Grayson Rams and Mickey Conn for exposing the real Lowndes County. The Vikings are afraid of Grayson! Heck, the Vikings are so SUSPECT outside of Martin Stadium. I can not imagine the beatdown that Lowndes is going to take when they hit the road in the 2nd round of the state playoffs.
While you are talking crazy about Conrad Nix leaving Northside, you better hope that Randy McPherson does not leave and go to Valdosta HS and put the Vikings in the back seat again. If you keep talking, Northside is going to put your little program back in the trunk!
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
3:35 pm
Michael Carvell: If I am Rick Tomberlin, I take a coaching job in metro Atlanta where the competition is weak and the hitting is soft.
AVikingFan
October 14th, 2009
3:49 pm
Roland – that coach refusing to shake hands after the game I believe was Darlington, not Tomberlin.
Michael
October 14th, 2009
3:50 pm
The VHS supporters need to get out of the 60s and 70s and realize times are different and be happy. The fact this Tomberlin, a proven winner and arguably one of the top coaches in the state, is having trouble there should be a signal. Good luck on getting another coach. Valdosta is quickly turning in to the Oakland Raiders of Georgia High School football.
#1 Viking Fan
October 14th, 2009
3:54 pm
TO ENR…….. your eagles don’t own nothing OF 1-AAAAA. How many 1-AAAAA Titles do they own. NOT THE FIRST ONE YET.
AVikingFan
October 14th, 2009
3:55 pm
EAGLENATIONRISING – HI THERE FRIEND. I GOT MY INFORMATION FROM THE ATHLETIC BUSINESS MANAGER WHO DOES THE FTE AND ELIGIBILITY ROSTER REPORTING TO THE STATE FOR LOWNDES COUNTY ATHLETICS. BTW WAY, IT HAS BEEN “RUMORED” THAT RICK TOMBERLIN WAS PAID A TOTAL OF $107,000 – COUNTING HIS STATE AND LOCAL SUPPLEMENT MONEY.
NHS Eagle Fan
October 14th, 2009
4:04 pm
ENR…you must have been watching a different VHS-NHS game than I did in 2008. Valdosta scored two TDs in the last 4:30 of the game…hardly the mark of someone who quit. Northside had to recover an onside kick to preserve the win.
Haiku-575
October 14th, 2009
4:06 pm
Hey Fake Buck Belue:
You write as bad as you sound
on the radio!!
BigDaddy
October 14th, 2009
4:07 pm
Higher Coach Welton Coffee away from Camden Co. He would be the best fit for VHS!!
heartofdarkness
October 14th, 2009
4:12 pm
Come on, people! Let’s raise the player salaries and exercise a little “creativity” on the boy’s birth certificates and high school transcripts. Matters will take care of themselves.
Wednesday Afternoon Quarterback
October 14th, 2009
4:14 pm
I think Valdosta should hire Coach Mark Whitley (Athletic Director at Parkview High School). Great motivator, great strength and conditioning coach, and great all-around person. What do you think?
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
4:20 pm
NHS Eagle Fan: You obviously were not at the football game. Conrad nix was up 28-0 and he ALWAYS plays young kids. Valdosta scored two touchdowns in the final 4:30 playing against Freshman and Sophomores. The game was very tight. The Valdosta QB threw an interception and did not even run to tackle the Northside player. He hung his head, walked to the sidelines, and the route was on. That Valdosta team was every bit as big and fast as Northside. The game was close. The Wildcat players quit.
You better believe that you give up 57 points in a City championship game, you quit. Valdosta outplayed us (Northside) at Bazemore-Hyder this season. They simply did not put together what it took to win. The same Northside team held Lowndes County to 7 points. Now, the Valdosta team who outplayed Northside gives up 57.
Either the kids are quitting or the players from Valdosta were not prepared for the game against their cross-town rivals. I say they quit and that is the responsibility of the coaching staff.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
4:22 pm
AVikingFan: Thank you for the salary information. $107,000/year is a great deal of cash to go below 0.500. Wow!
NHS Eagle Fan
October 14th, 2009
4:25 pm
ENR…I was at the game. I haven’t missed a Northside game (home or away) since 1998. I’ve seen the good ones and the bad ones ALL FIRST HAND.
waco478
October 14th, 2009
4:25 pm
I’m 27 and i grew up in the Rick Tomberlin era at washington county…Ive seen first hand how a head coach can impact a whole community….He had our up and coming football players(middle school and rec players) looking up to the high school player’s like they were super stars….I remember games where,us the lil kids would be out their with our lil football tryin to imtate what the players on the field was doing..He also made going to the fri night game a must for everyone in town,so no matter who our opponet is on any givin fri night the home side would always be packed with fans ready to cheer and when the team traveled we would fill up their visting side too….I remember when we played lagrange for the state title in 2004,they thought because we was a under dog and lagrange was so far away that we wasnt going to make the trip so they open the field to only they fans to sit on the ground…oh how they was shocked when that bus let out all the loyal fans to add to the one’s that drove their……so to make this long story short,the hard work and dont quit attitude coach t gave us still live on today thats why you will always see washingtion county at the top of AAA…
NHS Eagle Fan
October 14th, 2009
4:25 pm
excuse me…that should be 1988
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
4:32 pm
#1 Viking Fan: I am going to get you in a Warner Robins Demons skirt and find some Colquitt County pom-poms for you before it is all said and done. The way that you Lowndes County posters jump on the bandwagons of the opponents of teams that kick you around is sickening. You should have more pride than that. Do you see Camden County posters hating on Grayson the way you guys do. They have more dignity. Of course, the entire state saw Viking dignity at Grayson last season. Lowndes County knew better than to try that “gangster” stunt in Warner Robins!!!
Northside is 115-12 with four state championship appearances and 2 State Championships this century. Stop lying to yourself. Lowndes County is 2-6 versus Northside. We own you! We do not lose to Buck Godfrey caliber coaches like Randy McPherson, who is the king of Georgia in doing less with more. That would be Rick Tomberlin, who just lost his job.
Don’t make me send a few Grayson Rams to quiet you Vikings down. While you were talking and beating your chests after beating our Northside Eagles last year (good game by the way), you were getting pushed into the back seat by a metro Atlanta program. That is unheard of from a true power. Now, Northside is stuffing you in the trunk of your own South Georgia region. We are not South Georgia. However, we have our foot on your South Georgia throats. I know it. You know. Randy McPherson knows it too.
Our entire team returns next season. If you thought burying those weak National Championship hopes was hard a couple of weeks ago, wait until we make Martin Stadium our own little McConnell-Talbert South next season. Lowndes County gets out of the trunk when Northside (and Grayson) decide.
AVikingFan
October 14th, 2009
4:38 pm
Bigdaddy, I’ve heard his name already mentioned! You know he worked at Vldosta for a few years, and was the head coach at Raines in Jcksonville.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
4:40 pm
NHS Eagle: The final score last year was Northside 28, Valdosta 14. It does not matter what year you write. You said it…Valdosta score points in the final 4 1/2 minutes. If you were there, you know that the bench was cleared. That is how Conrad Nix coaches. Everyone in the state knows this. He is not going to put up 70 points on people…heck he rarely scores 50 points. He is going to give young players the opportunity to play in big games against top flight compeititon. It is why Northside is good year in and year out. Every players who works hard gets game experience. Valdosta had their starters in and they scored at the end. I live in Atlanta and I rarely get down to games. The game was not close. I was very excited to see Valdosta and I thought that it would be a close game. If you believe it was, you were not there. Valdosta quit in the 2nd quarter after the pick 6.
Valdosta only rushed for 64 yard and had only 8 first downs in the entire game. With 5 minutes left in the game the score was Northside 28, Valdosta 0. That is a big time beating. It is not really up for debate.
EagleNationRising
October 14th, 2009
4:44 pm
The head football coach at Lakeland High School in central Florida is not the Athletic Director. I know the AD. He used to be a college basketball coach. There is no way that the Lakeland HS football coach can be making $107,000/year. That should be the first guy that Valdosta calls. The stadium at Valdosta is not as nice as Martin Stadium at Lowndes County (one of the state’s best). However, Bazemore-Hyder is nicer than the stadium at Lakeland. It is much larger too. I would seek that guy out immediately! He should know all the pressures of coaching at a program with great expectation. Furthermore, kids in Lakeland (Polk County, FL) have school choice. They recruit like crazy down there. It is a way of life. He will be just fine in Valdosta.
Irishmafia
October 14th, 2009
4:47 pm
Get a friggin grip it’s HIGH SCHOOL football, yeah you know 14 -18 year olds. Gawd you people are just nuts. How many of you are worried whether any of those kids are actually learning anything in school? Or are they going to become those highly recruited players that can’t spell cat when you give them the c and the t?
SportsFan31313
October 14th, 2009
4:52 pm
And there you have it everyone, don’t NEVER say that Football is only a sport…. In Georgia, it is BIG BUSINESS……….
Avid Hahira/Valdosta Braves Fan
October 14th, 2009
4:52 pm
EagleNationRising, that so-called crap that took place at Grayson last year was total bull. It was a figment of Grayson’s imagination. I spoke to an adminstrator at Grayson High School approximately 5 days after the game and he said that it was not as bad as the media said it was. He said both teams were extremely emotional and it could have been Grayson receiving the bad press if it had not been at their home field. The officiating was also terrible for both teams.
slalom1
October 14th, 2009
5:20 pm
Just last week I pleaded for the “Wildcat Nation” to give Tomberlin time. “At least 2 more years”. Valdosta just lost their best possible candidate for “next great head coach” at famed Valdosta High School. This bums me out.
slalom1
October 14th, 2009
5:32 pm
YO, I believe you got this one right on the money. A head coaching job at Valdosta is a “death sentence”. Big ups for coach Tomberlin taking the job in the first place. What fool will take the job now? Guess we are about to find out. I do not believe we have heard the last from Coach Tomberlin. He will land on his feet and once again rise to the top when isn’t having to answer to morons.
gary
October 14th, 2009
5:34 pm
One would have to be afool not to believe shifting demographics haven not crippled the wildcats.
plowboy
October 14th, 2009
5:34 pm
ENR what do you mean by 115 and 12? COMPARE COACH NIX first 8 years at northside with COACH MAC`S at lowndes , VALDOSTA DID NOT QUIT LOWNDES JUST SHOWED UP
plowboy
October 14th, 2009
5:38 pm
lowndes has 5 state games and one against northside , who`s your daddy?
gary
October 14th, 2009
5:43 pm
So many people have moved out of Valdosta so that their kids can go to Lowndes and not have to deal with all the problems at Valdosta.
gary
October 14th, 2009
5:45 pm
Even Hyder had noted that things at Valdosta in 94 were not the way they where even 10 years before. Attendance was down, they were traveling on school busses instead of Greyhounds.The writing was on the wall even then
shun23 90Cat
October 14th, 2009
5:46 pm
Dooley: Carver beat us in 87(well Nicky Pitts did anyway),Coach OB averaged 10 wins a seasons not 9 and did win a title!
Now, the only one really making any sense on here is ENR. Apparently most of you don’t know anything about Valdosta football, only what you’ve heard.We didn’t recruit. All my teammates grew up with me.Lowndes does not have that many more students than VHS, so the more talent pool reason is a joke. If anything, they HAVE rezoned some of the city limits; the county hasn’t gotten any bigger, just to let you know.
I don’t know why the decision was made, but do not agree with. Sets the program back, is what i think( i’ve earned that opinion) before you ask. Did i see it coming, YES, and not entirely b/c of last week; so get over yourselves Vikings( By the way, those nationals aren’t so easy to get are they? So RESPERCT ours; may be the only ones the county ever gets)!
Anyway, GO CATS!!!!!
Good luck Coach Obrien and Woodstock!
Windell
October 14th, 2009
5:48 pm
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gary
October 14th, 2009
5:48 pm
Bazemore and Hyder made and sustained a dynasty for almost 35 years. Coaching and demographics have everything to do with winning at Valdosta. Just watching the last game it was so eay to see how much more talent Lowndes had. Valdost looked overwhelmed.
gary
October 14th, 2009
5:53 pm
Too many diehard wildcat fans are holding on to what the team use dto do. Well the team has not done anything in 11 years. Theyve won only 2 titles since 92. Valdosta unless it finds another Hyder or Bazemore will soon be lucky to field 60 players, let alone win 5 games.
Lowndes Rules
October 14th, 2009
5:53 pm
Valdosta is old news—Lowndes is in control now and that will stay the same for a long time. Look for another state title this year. Valdosta should hire Buck Belue for their coach to turn things around.
SERIOUS GRAYSON HATER
October 14th, 2009
6:12 pm
Does the movie “Friday Night Lights” ring a bell to anyone?? If not go back and watch it…
Call it Like It Is
October 14th, 2009
6:39 pm
Being from Valdosta and a graduate of VHS, I hate to say it, but VHS having 1700 total high school population to Lowndes 2700 will make a huge difference to any program. The bottom line is with no new development within the city limits it will be hard for Valdosta to ever get back to a dominant program like they once were.
Hats off to the Lowndes program as it is great. The firing of this coach is totaly unfair based upon the circumstances just like the ousting of Mike O’Brian now at Woodstock.
Enough Said!
WILDCAT FAN
October 14th, 2009
6:40 pm
****** PLEASE READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE******
In 2006 Valdosta went 1-9 and did not lose a game by more that 7 points. that was a bad coaching job. In 2007 Vladosta went 9-3 with an expierenced senior rich team and los a game to mlk that they should have won. that was a bad coaching job. in 2008 valdosta sent 11 players to college and two of them to georgia and georgia tech and they went 5-5. valdosta has players on their current team and six division I players on that team. Valdosta loss to northside 16-13 and dominated them in every aspect of the game except special teams. they missed 4 field goals and kicked to a guy the beginning of the second half who had already show big play capabilities in the return game in the first half. that was a poor coaching job. they led for three quarters against colquitt until the fourth quarter when their defense came out and almost looked confused as to what colquitt was doing? colquitt did not change one thing from the 1st half to the 2nd half. that was bad coaching! valdosta has more athelete on their team thay any team in the region and he has not shown the ablilty to coach the kid the right way. time have changed in the city but egalenationrising is correct when he says valdosta has just as many atheletes and any team in the statew including lowndes. lowndes has 80 kids on the roster and plays both ways with many of their starters. tomberlin and his whole staff should be fired. they have not showed the ability to prepare their players and get them ready to play week end and week out. valdosta has more than 1900 students enrolled and over 125 players and you can’t win? and not to mention they are susposed to be the nations strongest team who broke all of these weightlifting records last year! there’s plenty of talent in winnersville. we need the right coach to come and get this program back on track!
steve
October 14th, 2009
6:55 pm
There are a lot of things many have missed. The behind the scenes stuff is a lot more fun. Tomberlin was asked to leave Lowndes because the school super (Pate) was afraid of him becoming too powerful at Lowndes. So, after 2 years the stupidintendent got rid of Tomberlin by violating state sunshine laws and holding a board meeting in private. Tomberlin left with his head held high and the stupidintendent was recalled and replaced by a high school chemistry teacher that had not administrative experience. Maybe Tomberlin was wanting to exact some revenge on Lowndes? He is a great coach but you have to have something to start with or you cannot win consistently. For those that think otherwise it is obvious that you have never coached. The second behind the scenes is a simple question that should be asked. Why is it that so many high schools that are perennial powerhouses near Air Force bases? Think about it – Lowndes with Moody AFB, Niceville with Eglin AFB, the macon schools with Warner Robins and the list is nationwide. Every Air Force father of a boy that plays football know which bases to get stationed at to have their son play for the best. I know that because I lived that situation and my son has rings playing for Valdosta. Ever since Tomberlin there are a lot of Air Force kids that are at Lowndes. These are not average athletes but normally superior athletes with fantastic fundamentals before they even arrive at a school. These are kids that are groomed by extemely qualified coaches that choose to coach youth as opposed to For all you whiners – THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL and goes on nationwide. This is not like Atlanta where kids use grannies address to change schools. I chose Valdosta so he could play for Hyder and he did. I credit his scholarship with Valdosta and their success. He now coaches in Florida and is very successful with his Air Force players. This has never been a secret. Just deal with it.
collegeballfan
October 14th, 2009
7:09 pm
The only way Valdosta will experience a State Championship is by reading history books. Its over down there folks.
LMAN
October 14th, 2009
7:32 pm
Steve I disagree. In Valdosta’s glory days none of their top athletes were affiliated with the Air Force. They all were home grown. For example, Dana Brinson, Stan Rome, Tony Anderson, etc. all were born and reared in Valdosta.
LMAN
October 14th, 2009
7:37 pm
Gary you full of s… Valdosta does not have any problems that Lowndes doesn’t. Valdosta’s problem is that the city folk listen to the lies you County people spread about the POOR city kids. People talk about the size of Lowndes, but look at the statistics and see where they are rank among Georgia schools academically. With approximately 2700 students your ranking should be much better.
GW
October 14th, 2009
7:39 pm
Anyone blaming a coach for 2009 era kids quitting in a game, a sign of no character, has never been around teenagers everyday in a school. They don’t just quit, they never start.
slalom1
October 14th, 2009
7:47 pm
Just a few more words here and I will shut up. Question: What would Nick Hyder or Wright Bazemore do that Coach T did not do given the current circumstances?
Okay. Some of you are gonna say, “Their kids would play much harder for them”. I don’t buy that. I have seen Tomberlin’s kids at WACO play their hearts out to the very end while knowing they were going to get whipped. I have also seen Coach T’s teams at WACO take it easy on teams that were quite obviously going to lose. Coach T was just about to bring on the BEST of his kids in 2010 and 2011. In his own words, “This is a process”. Shame on Valdosta for not giving this good man and well qualified coach a reasonable chance. I was once a huge fan of the Valdosta Touchdown Club. Not so sure anymore.
What Have You Done Lately...Nothing
October 14th, 2009
7:53 pm
How was is worded in the article?…..”Since 1913, Valdosta has won six mythical national championships and 23 state championships. The Wildcats have an overall record of 838 wins, 191 losses and 34 ties.” Who gives a rat’s-butt what happened in 1913!?!?! Take the last 10-15 years and Valdosta is average. Live in the past if you like but the rest of the state is moving on….and that goes for the bullies at Lowndes.
Hey Steve You Missed One
October 14th, 2009
7:57 pm
While you’re talking military installations….same at Camden County with the submarine base. There have been some military families ‘transferred’ in and football for their boys has been a major reason.
To Avid Hahira/Valdosta Braves Fan
October 14th, 2009
8:02 pm
I saw the Grayson game and Lowndes acted like a bunch of spoiled brats. They couldn’t handle Grayson standing toe-to-toe with them, then they choked. Lowndes players started arguing among themselves and then the bottom drop out. Lowndes melted when Grayson punched them back in the mouth. Also there was no problem with the officating.
Whoaaanellie
October 14th, 2009
8:14 pm
EagleNationRising, Randy Mac has 3 state titles in 7 years at Lowndes with this year, his 8th season, still to be determined. How, exactly, has he underachieved? Even Valdosta, in the days of the great Wright Bazemore and Nick Hyder didn’t always win the state title. How long has Conrad Nix coached at Northside and how many state championships has he won with the great number of quality athletes available to him?
C'mon already
October 14th, 2009
8:20 pm
You guys are seriously a bunch of dorks.
middle ga
October 14th, 2009
8:21 pm
Don’t feel sorry for Tomberlin. The reality is he could have stayed at WACO and became a Legend, but he got greedy and went to Valdosta were exspectations or unrealistic. So thats he’s fault. Coaches don’t play the game , but some act as if they rule the game and that’s what happened here. The ole generations of coaches are fading because they cannot get through or relate to the kids of today. Sorry Rick keep it moving and pout somewhere else
middle ga
October 14th, 2009
8:22 pm
I hear Upson-Lee has a head football coaching vacancy. Tomberlin maybe you should head to Thomaston because Tommy Watson is on his way out.
Jim
October 14th, 2009
8:25 pm
Valdosta and Lowndes County are big enough to build a third public high school.
yo
October 14th, 2009
8:33 pm
Steve regarding Tomberlin dismissal at Lowndes I believe you are drinking some Tomberlin cool aid.
Been living here a long time and that is the first time I have heard that excuse.
yo
October 14th, 2009
8:42 pm
Wildcat Fan regarding a successful coach the TD Club faithful will be like the energizer bunny and they will be looking and looking and looking and…………
Tomberlin was history the day he showed up here. Valdosta faithful were firing him from day 1. You can’t keep firing “what were successful coaches” before they showed up at Valdosta and ever expect any thing to change.
You fired your last state championship coach!!! fofroflalalaughingoutloud
I live here and I hear all of the pooh pooh and constant discontent coming from the Wildcat faithful.
Kids are not ever going to perform under any coach until the faithful get their act together.
Northside Observer
October 14th, 2009
8:56 pm
ENR–Please keep your birthname to yourself. I warned JAYBO of this awhile back. If you expose yourself you will come under unmerciful personal attacks. I am one of the few or not only person that knows who you are. That’s because of B, V, C in Sonoraville, and B working on his Masters with his new wife. Take care!
Tucker
October 14th, 2009
9:03 pm
This action tarnishes further the legacy of Valdosta football. Those still alive who helped build that legacy should speak up before all respect is lost. Otherwise they contribute to the undoing themselves.
yo
October 14th, 2009
9:03 pm
Hey I know B so that’s who ENR is!! LOL
Upset mom
October 14th, 2009
9:13 pm
Yo – if you actually live in VD towm then you will know the VD Times. The facts are in there about what happened. How do I know? I worked for them and got to cover this story. No Tomberlin cool aid just facts. No wonder your posts are lost.
Upset mom
October 14th, 2009
9:25 pm
LLMAN was not sure if I was going to waste my time but decided to waste a little herre to set you straight. I had 2 sons play for VHS. My husband retired as a Colonel and was recruited by the Touchdown club to recruit Air Force players thru AF channels for those overseas returning stateside. Do you have any idea about military kids that play? They do not wear special jerseys. They just play and provided needed talent for VHS while Nick was coach. When he retired Lowndes managed to get Moody players instead of VHS and it has never been the same. Please understand that it takes more than 3 names to be on a team. By my husbands count every year between 25% – 35% of the starters were military kids. That was his job for the TD club and he loved doing it. Based on what you say you would think there were no military kids. That is a misconception on your part. How good would the Wildcats have been without those players?
Quinn of the Ridge
October 14th, 2009
10:22 pm
The rumor I’ve been hearing… Rush Probst. Just a rumor, but if that comes true, WATCH OUT Lowndes.
Legend of Len Barker
October 14th, 2009
10:31 pm
Valdosta got ahead initially because Bazemore and Hyder were ahead of their time.
Bazemore didn’t run the football team, he ran the whole school, if not the whole county or even below the fall line. Valdosta boys’ basketball used to be considered a joke. It was winter conditioning for the football players. When future VSC women’s basketball coaching legend Lyndal Worth called him out on it, he never spoke to her again.
Since then, almost everyone else that has athletes of value has caught up. Weight training is accepted. Bazemore and his iron fist retired.
Starting in the 1980s, the demographics of Lowndes County changed. People with money don’t live in town. It’s enough that a third high school is being built, albeit with no official school zones.
Also contributing to Valdosta’s success in the 1950s were the wonky regions. The Legend’s alma mater was included until VHS jumped to AAA. The last year we played, we forfeited on the account of … uh … the flu. We were really sick, you know. We might could actually beat them now, but some would say it’s unfair for high school age boys to play 70 year old men.
R
October 14th, 2009
10:40 pm
Rick Tomberlin would never refuse to shake any man’s hand. He’s a gentlemen.
Gt4ever
October 14th, 2009
10:43 pm
EagleNationRisng, you really got me…. Wow, I bow to your superiority…… I still think your just a blow hard! But hey, just a typical UGA fan!
Yellow Jackets Rule
October 14th, 2009
10:44 pm
By the way, as a former Valdosta Times sportswriter, regarding Valdosta football – high school ball truly is a numbers game. That’s the first fact of life for a program. Talent, size, and all other physical attributes boys have fall along a “bell curve” distribution – for example, for every 100 boys, 2 or 3 might have both size and athletic talent. So if your school has 1000 students, maybe you have 20 or 30 really good potential players. 2000 students means double the athletes (40 to 60), and 3000 students would mean triple that (60 to 80). I’m making up the numbers just to get the idea across.
Next fact of life is, the coach and his program still have to persuade as many of the best boys as possible to take up the hard road of playing football. Valdosta always had advantages in the Bazemore and Hyder eras because the city was small and no boy lived more than 2 miles from Cleveland Field (the stadium.) Lowndes, by contrast, was in the middle of a county roughly 20 miles by 20 miles, so boys had, on average, 10 times as far to travel to play ball. Naturally, a higher percentage of VHS boys would play ball than LHS boys because of transportation.
Add to this Valdosta’s amazing system of youth football in past years; as a past Valdosta Daily Times sports editor explained to me, the Bazemore/Hyder system involved a core of plays that were taught at the only junior high school in the system (at the time), and even by many of the pee wee coaches feeding boys to VJHS, so that by the time a boy reached 9th grade at VHS, he probably already knew much of the playbook! It was a textbook “feeder system”.
However, since the 1970’s, paving of county roads has made transportation less of a factor. Historically, a lot of city high schools were traditional powerhouses, like Valdosta, because they had both demographics, and also geography, on their side. Today, people move to newer developments in the counties and the balance of power has shifted.
Note that size is no guarantee of football success if the program and feeder system is not there. I remember in the late 1970’s Southwest of Macon had the highest Average Daily Attendence in the GHSA, but no great success at football because most of the potential players were doing other things with their time. In contrast, the monstrous Gwinnett schools of today, with their high ADA’s in the 3,000-student range, are getting a lot of the boys at the top of the “bell curve” into the football programs, and many of them have become relative power houses as a result.
VHS really does have a numbers disadvantage, and they cannot incorporate vast chucks of the County to make up their deficit – it would start a firestorm. But there is talk periodically about the radical notion of consolidating the two school systems. The newspaper has reported that “all” it would take is for the City system to essentially dissolve itself, then the County by default would become responsible for both systems. A balancing of student bodies might well follow, to VHS’ advantage. Another fact not mentioned so far is that the Lowndes school system is being required to construct a second high school, and a site has already been chosen in the Pine Grove area. This school will unquestionably reduce the ADA of LHS and potentially diminish the talent pool available to play for the Vikings – however, the current national financial woes have reportedly put this plan back by several years.
Otherwise, I believe the Valdosta booster club needs to update its 1950’s expectations and accept that its historical advantages have evaporated. It can still be an outstanding football school the way Thomasville High is still an outstanding football power, albeit with more realistic expectations.
AVikingFan
October 14th, 2009
10:48 pm
To UPSET MOM – Lowndes has ONE military kid on the varsity team. ONE. Lowndes Coaches or TD Club have NEVER communicated with ANYONE connected with Moody Air force Base to have student/athletes transferred here so they can play for Lowndes. Quit making stuff up! It might be a good idea, but it simply has not happened at Lowndes.
yo
October 14th, 2009
11:32 pm
upset mom my posts to ENR (he must be eating them) are lost but I haven’t lost my football coach. My gut feeling is McPherson will still be here while you are already losing your next one.
Old Timer
October 14th, 2009
11:59 pm
Valdosta is overloaded with a bunch of dumb old die hard overweight boshog fans that do not realize that football wins does not make a player a good citizen or a town any better than the next one. Discipline and education is what counts. A football score is just a number. Valdosta, where is that? Is it in Georgia?
Bodog
October 15th, 2009
1:25 am
Mike, Valdosta will never return to their glory days, and here is why since noone seemed to get this the 1st time i blogged. Valdosta is LAND-LOCKED They cannot get the numbers, and quality players like they did in the past because of the county school……ENUFF SAID….
bamabone
October 15th, 2009
5:15 am
i’m an vhs grad (’87) and my brother is an lhs grad (’92). he loves watching the demise of valdosta football and i have to say i agree with most of the posters: the demographic change in valdosta city combined with the major shift in the talent pool to the county spells the end of the proud vhs tradition. my mom graduated from sidney lanier in montgomery, al – a once proud football school which counts bart starr among its alumni – and now that place is a cesspool due to demographic changes. valdosta fans can either accept what has happened (firing Tomberlin is more than justified IMO) and start cheering for the “other” titletown team or just keep on living in the past & dream that vhs can compete in AAAAA with lhs, northside wr, and other big dogs.
LMAN
October 15th, 2009
5:22 am
YOU PEOPLE ARE BLAMING THIS ONE ON THE FANS. I DON’T THINK THE FANS REALLY HAD MUCH TO DO WITH THIS ONE. HELL I WAS SHOCKED AND DISAPPOINTED WHEN I READ IT IN THE PAPERS. AND UPSET MOM, I COULD NAME MANY MORE.
LMAN
October 15th, 2009
5:27 am
STOP LYING AVIKINGFAN. HELL SOME OF YOUR PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME AM I SENDING MY SON TO LOWNDES. MY ANSWER WAS HELL NO, THAT LEFT HANDER IS GOING TO VALDOSTA.
1AAAAA Fan
October 15th, 2009
6:41 am
Rumers are Valdosta sent a commitee to Brooks County asking their new/old coach to come and right their ship.Maurice Freeman, probably the man for the job!
DUMB REACTION
October 15th, 2009
7:35 am
WHAT A BAD DECISION TO FIRE HIM!!
HAS HE DONE SOMETHING WRONG?
JEEZ THIS IS HIGHSCHOOL WERE TALKING ABOUT.
DUMB DUMD DUMD
plow boy roy
October 15th, 2009
8:50 am
valdosta should have given coach a chance…instead pulled trigger. alright coffee county here is your chance for an outstanding coach.
randy prosen
October 15th, 2009
8:57 am
I belive that valdosta should drop to 4 A. They don’t have the numbers anymore at their school. I heard that there is a new highschool being built in Lowndes. Does anyone know if that is true?
Big Freak
October 15th, 2009
9:02 am
I am glad to see all of the critics come out as it is like waking up a sleeping giant. I think the best talent was at Northside which Valdosta should have won but who I am I to judge.Ask coach Nix how bad Valdosta is and maybe but just maybe Valdosta still has a little talent left. Hopefully some of the team members are reading these insults. Sorry Coach T what a huge mistake these guys have made. I think we need to get rid of the guys making this stupid decision to terminate you from the program. The other school in Lowndes looked really bad against Northside and no one has commented on this. Why? Every team has bad days.
Shane
October 15th, 2009
9:34 am
Hate that for Mr. Tomberlin but if its got to be maybe they will hire Mark Richt, then they could win 5 to 6 games a year, get blown out in the 1st round playoffs, and sit around the locker room singing cum ba ya!
David Grantham
October 15th, 2009
10:09 am
ENR
I am still waiting on that email. dgrantham14@att.net
I would like to see the 5 pages of your athletic history. I want to understand your point of views.
ENR's Alter Ego
October 15th, 2009
10:21 am
Grovetown 87, Northside 0
Sav
October 15th, 2009
11:55 am
I agree with the person that said Jack Rudolph should be the chair of the search committee. I’ve known him for going on 25 years and is one of the best football minds I have ever known.
dagrapevine
October 15th, 2009
5:00 pm
i’ve been around wildcat football a long time.from 67-73 i only remember
3 guys who played that came through mafb.none of them where starters.we started learning bazemore’s version of the pro-set at the boys club.by the time we got to vjrhs we could run tackle trap plays as well as block and tackle.bazemore beleive in a system more so than talent.as he often said”i’ll take your’n and you can have mine and i’ll still beat you by 14 and it aint bragging if you can do it”.
no one on the vtdc who have been there a long time ever remembers anyone in charge of recruiting the air force for players.think about it folks,you telling me little ol valdosta had that much pull with the pentagon and all these years mafb is still that small.i tell ya long beach poly would of been fighting mad valdosta taking all that nfl talent they produce all these years.maybe valdosta just was more(still is)dedicated to having a top flight football program and won all those years with great coaching and kids willing to sell out for their coaches system.bazemore would have been just as succesful on any level cause the man ate,drank and slept football.he watched game film all year and knew not only what he had coming back,but his arch rivals.
he taught hyder this after his first season and the results cant be denied.
valdosta dont owe anyone an explanation and it quite frankly dont concern anyone but us.
just be looking over your shoulder cause rich mcwhorter is coming and he’s bringing the wildcat nation with him.
btw:lowndes didnt even start football till about 55/56 and their first 4
coaches where from valdosta.they also played their games at cleveland feild on saturdays and used valdosta equipment.bazemore was instrumental in helping them get their program started.
yo
October 15th, 2009
10:40 pm
Try Again
ENR you would think Buck Godfrey would learn his lesson and do a Tomberlin/Nix and go down a classification to finally win his championship. Maybe you should suggest that to old Buck since you seem to know everybody. It seems to be the only thing that works for Tomberlin/Nix.
Remember the Parkview/Northside choke at the Mac? At least when Lowndes chokes in an important game they don’t do it “in their own house” and the don’t do it in the 15th game of the year.
In fact a “so called by ENR” Mcpherson coached “choke on the road team” went up to Parkview a few years later and took care of the business Northside couldn’t do “in their own house!!!”.
Lowndes record in State Championship games is 5-0.
And all of McPhersons State Championships were in the HIGHEST CLASSIFICATION. No Tomberlin/Nix excuses needs be made for McPherson.
You continue to measure your accomplishments by your record over Lowndes
(we consider that an honor) and we will measure our accomplishments by
non Tomberlin/Nix type AAAAA State Championships.
yo
October 15th, 2009
10:43 pm
Remember the Parkview/Northside choke at the Mac? At least when Lowndes chokes in an important game they don’t do it “in their own house” and they don’t do it in the 15th game of the year.
In fact a “so called by ENR” McPherson coached “choke on the road team” went up to Parkview a few years later and took care of the business Northside couldn’t do “in their own house!!!”.
Lowndes record in State Championship games is 5-0.
And all of McPhersons State Championships were in the HIGHEST CLASSIFICATION. No Tomberlin/Nix excuses needs be made for McPherson.
ENR you would think Buck Godfrey would learn his lesson and do a Tomberlin/Nix and go down a classification to finally win his championship. Maybe you should suggest that to old Buck since you seem to know everybody. It seems to be the only thing that works for Tomberlin/Nix.
You continue to measure your accomplishments by your record over Lowndes
(we consider that an honor) and we will measure our accomplishments by
non Tomberlin/Nix type AAAAA State Championships.
yo
October 15th, 2009
10:44 pm
Remember the Parkview/Northside choke at the Mac? At least when Lowndes chokes in an important game they don’t do it “in their own house” and they don’t do it in the 15th game of the year.
In fact a “so called by ENR” McPherson coached “choke on the road team” went up to Parkview a few years later and took care of the business Northside couldn’t do “in their own house!!!”.
Lowndes record in State Championship games is 5-0.
yo
October 15th, 2009
10:48 pm
ENR you would think Buck Godfrey would learn his lesson and do a Tomberlin/Nix and go down a classification to finally win his championship. Maybe you should suggest that to old Buck since you seem to know everybody. It seems to be the only thing that works for Tomberlin/Nix.
You continue to measure your accomplishments by your record over Lowndes
(we consider that an honor) and we will measure our accomplishments by
non Tomberlin/Nix type AAAAA State Championships.
yo
October 15th, 2009
10:50 pm
ENR why don’t you suggest to old Buck Godfrey that he find a way to go down a classification like Tomberlin/Nix so he can finally win a State Championship.
McPherson didn’t have to do a Tomberlin/Nix to win his.
AVikingFan
October 16th, 2009
12:33 pm
randy prosen – Valdosta has too many students to drop down to AAAA and Lowndes new high schoool has been put “on hold” due to the school not growing as fast as once thought. incidentally, lowndes is not as big as it was 7 years ago. And during that time the Bd of Edu had the school expanded to accomadate up to 3100 students. We currently have around 2800.
atl1netime
October 16th, 2009
12:47 pm
Eagle fan…..just one question…how are the feeder programs doing…….6th through 9th…and the JV.
yo
October 17th, 2009
1:37 pm
Wow all of my posts finally cleared AJC never never land.
Black Knight from the North
October 21st, 2009
9:24 pm
Coach T,
Please come to Central Gwinnet.We have the talent, but no coaching. Someone of your predigree will kept our athletes from going to make Brookwood,Parkview,Collins Hill,Grayson and the rest of Gwinnett teams better. Please, Please, Please and Please once again Please
Coach Bishop
October 26th, 2009
8:50 pm
I am currently completing my 20th year as a High School Head Football Coach in the State of Maine and your current situation in Valdosta is no different than any other High School in the country who allows the Booster Club to run its football program. Valdosta will never consistently win football games if you change coaches every 3-4 years. Your top Pro, College, and High School programs who always win have one thing in common-COACHING STABILITY. I watched the Lowdnes-Valdosta game several weeks ago and I marvel at talent at both schools, in fact we run the Wing-T offense that Lowndes runs. We will be making our 8th playoff appearance this friday night in my 8th year at the school. What a novel idea it is to coach at a school where we stress academics first, and football second. Over 80 percent of my players are on free or reduced lunch
but we consistently win because my players know that I will be there every year, we will run the same offensive and defensive philosophies every year, and the good people of my school district
allow me to coach their boys every year. I have often wondered if I could coach at the level of
competition in a Georgia or a Florida and after attending clinics these last 20 years I know I could.
Kids are the same all over the country-they need love, a kick in the ass, and a pat on the back. What the kids do not need is to be a part of a football program that is run by a booster club. I wish all the young men in the Valdosta High Football program the best of luck. It is my hope that you get a coach who is allowed to coach the wildcats for at least 10 years. I would like finish by saying that
the team who BLOCKS and TACKLES the best and wins the TURNOVER battle usually wins football games-it is not schemes etc.
Big Dawg
November 5th, 2009
9:49 pm
Michael Carvell You are incorrect sir. The Winningest coach and program (FOOTBALL) is John McKissick…Do your homework man…
Mr. The 2009 year marked Coach McKissick’s
Friday, August 29th, 2008
The 2009 year marks Coach John McKissick’s 58th season coaching the Summerville High School Green Wave football team. Coach McKissick has compiled an outstanding record of 574 wins, 134 losses and 13 ties.**10 state Titles** He is the winningest football coach in the nation at any level.
John McKissick, Athletic Director and Head Football Coach at Summerville High School, grew up in Kingstree, South Carolina and graduated from Kingstree High School. He went on the graduate from Presbyterian College in Clinton, South Carolina in 1951 with a B.A. degree in Economics. Later, he attended Western Carolina University in Cullowhee, North Carolina where he received his M.A. degree in Psychology and Education in 1969. In May of 1994, Coach McKissick was awarded a Doctor of Public Service degree from his alma mater, Presbyterian College.
McKissick was hired as head football coach at Summerville High School in 1952. During the 1993 season, he became the winningest football coach in history on any level when he broke the record of 405 wins held by Gordon Wood of Texas. Coach reached another milestone in 2003 by winning his 500th game. His present record stands at 565 wins, 133 losses and 13 ties. His teams have won the region title 33 out of 57 years and 10 state championships. From 1978 – 1980, his teams compiled a 41-game winning streak, the longest ever in South Carolina. Coach has held the national record for the most victories at one school since 1986.
Coach McKissick was inducted into the South Carolina Hall of Fame in Myrtle Beach in 2005. He was awarded the Power of Influence Award by the American Football Association in 2004. In 1999, he was inducted, along with his wife, into the Dorchester School District Two Athletic Hall of Fame, and in 1994, he was named the National High School Football Coach of the Century by Southern California Interscholastic Football Coach Association. Coach was inducted into the newly formed S.C. Athletic Coaches Association Hall of Fame in l993, their charter year, and in 1990, he was inducted into the National High School Sports Hall of Fame in Kansas City, Missouri. The football field in Summerville was dedicated to Coach McKissick and named for him in 1987 and he was inducted into the S.C. Athletic Hall of Fame in 1982. Coach was named the National High School Football Coach of the Year in 1980. In 1993, Sagamore Publishing Company of Champaign, Illinois, published his autobiography, “John McKissick, Called to Coach.” The sequel, “Called to Coach II” was published in 2004.
ty haynes
August 16th, 2011
7:19 pm
Everyone get off of VHS. So what theyve had a few rough seasons what great schools haven’t. now all these people critcize because they are winning state every year. and last i don’t want to hear anything about drugs from a lowndes fans. Their school had wayyyy more drug bust than vhs last year. half their school smokes pot and the other half are rednecks. now they think they’re good cause theyve beaten vhs the last few years. heres a news flash, vhs has more national titles then lowndes does state not to mention our 33-14 record vs them
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marcusowens
February 3rd, 2012
2:52 pm
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