Grayson takes Lowndes’ place at No. 1

Congrats to Northside on the victory over Lowndes. Some would contend that Northside should be No. 1 now, but we moved up Grayson, a team that’s now 19-1 over the past two seasons and beat Lowndes in the AAAAA quarterfinals last year.

More important than the rankings for Northside and Lowndes are the implications of this game in the region standings. Remember that the No. 2 seed from 1-AAAAA likely will be playing at Camden County in the second round. Not that Northside or Lowndes couldn’t win there, but you know they’d rather be somewhere else in November. Further, a No. 2 seed also figures to be on the road for the quarters and semis.  Can Lowndes win at Camden, at McEachern and at Grayson (or Newnan) in consecutive weeks?

My gut says Lowndes still is the best team in AAAAA, but the odds of going 3-0 through that gantlet is well below 50-50, IMO. We’ll see how it plays out.

In other news, Westminster’s victory over Lovett rends Class AA very difficult to rank. Do I put Westminster (3-2) ahead of Lovett (4-1)? Westminster’s losses are to Class AAA teams. But if I do that, shouldn’t Westminster go ahead of Buford, too? In the end, I just have a lot of faith in Buford, Region 6-AA and also Region 1-AA (Thomasville). That influenced the rankings.

1. Grayson (6-0)
2. Northside, Warner Robins (5-0)
3. North Gwinnett (5-0)
4. Newnan (5-0)
5. Lowndes (5-1)

6. McEachern (6-0)
7. Stephenson (5-0)
8. M.L. King (5-0)
9. Peachtree Ridge (4-1)
10. Camden County (3-2)

1. Griffin (5-0)
2. Westside, Macon (6-0)
3. Southwest DeKalb (4-1)
4. Hillgrove (5-0)
5. North Clayton (6-0)
6. Sandy Creek (4-1)
7. Marist (4-1)
8. Tucker (4-1)
9. Apalachee (5-0)

10. Hiram (5-0)
1. Gainesville (6-0)
2. Peach County (5-0)
3. St. Pius (6-0)
4. Carver, Columbus (4-1)
5. Washington County (5-0)
6. Carrollton (6-0)
7. LaGrange (5-1)
8. Flowery Branch (5-1)
9. Jackson (6-0)
10. Baldwin (4-2)

1. Calhoun (5-0)
2. Fitzgerald (5-0)
3. Buford (4-1)
4. Jefferson County (6-0)
5. Charlton County (4-0-1)
6. Lovett (5-1)
7. Thomasville (3-2)

8. Westminster (3-2)

9. Dublin (5-0)
10. Jefferson (6-0)

1. Wesleyan (6-0)
2. Savannah Christian (5-0)
3. Johnson County (6-0)
4. Lincoln County (5-1)
5. Treutlen (6-0)
6. ECI (4-1)
7. Twiggs County (4-1)
8. Wilkinson County (4-1)
9. Greenville (5-0)
10. Miller County (5-1)

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October 4th, 2009
6:42 pm


October 4th, 2009
6:46 pm

you guys are still sleeping on Alcovy. i guess you’ll see when we meet Griffin the last game of the season at 9-1. the only lost coming from ranked team north clayton 13-10 in a game the tigers had one had not their runningback Tre Sorrells not get a stinger in the 3 rd quarter.alcovy was in the red zone 3 times with out him in the 4th with no one to punch it in and 2 missed field goals from a kicker that never misses but you’ll see. we knockd off undefeated Dutchtown 19-18 this past Friday and Sorrells had 178 yards on 21 carries and the game winning touchdown with 26 seconds left..wake up the TIGERS ARE THE REAL DEAL AND #2 IS THE TRUTH….


October 4th, 2009
6:48 pm

Again, where is Grady?? They’re having a terrific season with some really great new players, are 5-0 so far, are right here in Atlanta, yet there’s little to no coverage while less exciting suburban teams get tons of coverage.


October 4th, 2009
6:49 pm



October 4th, 2009
7:02 pm

mlk is 5 -0 not 4 -0

Mays High School Fan

October 4th, 2009
7:07 pm

Mays is (5-1) in Class AAAA so how come we aren’t even in the top 10 ranking it makes no sense.

ALCOVY beats the best

October 4th, 2009
7:07 pm

alcovy beat a damn good 5aaaaa team in newton and a at the time ranked eastside. stephenson barely beat newton in overtime and they are ranked in 5a and we’re not ranked in 4a…come on man………….

Todd Holcomb

October 4th, 2009
8:21 pm

re: Alcovy — I don’t disagree that they are good. Good point about the comparative score w/ Newton vs. Stephenson. Ranking Alcovy somewhere between 8-12 sounds about right. We chose No. 11 or No. 12.

re: Grady — Good team, weak schedule. St. Pius will be the measuring stick.

re: Mays — Mays is a borderline Top 20 team right now. Long ways to go to be a Top 10 team.

viking lover

October 4th, 2009
8:36 pm

The Vikes always do better when there’s not a bullseye on their back. They were ranked 2nd in the nation in 2005, lost to Ware County, became insignificant, then won the State Championship. Just a bump in the road on the way to another Championship.

Raider Fan

October 4th, 2009
8:41 pm

Still waiting for people to start putting Walton in their top 10. :\

NHS Eagle

October 4th, 2009
9:05 pm

Enter your comments here Rankings mean nothing this time of the year.


October 4th, 2009
9:06 pm

Still a lot of football left to be played.


October 4th, 2009
9:10 pm

anybody know Northsides remaining road schedule? i have a feeling that they could still lose some tough road games… they beat valdosta already so thats good for them but traveling in region 1 is always tough

Mays High School Fan

October 4th, 2009
9:11 pm

Todd Holcomb if Mays is a top 20 team in your eyes how come Southwest DeKalb is in the top 10 they haven’t played anybody good so far check out the teams they’ve played records.


October 4th, 2009
9:30 pm

How can Camden County be 3-2 and #10 when Lassiter High is 5-0 and un-ranked?

Etowah Fan

October 4th, 2009
9:35 pm

Raider Fan – I hear you… but I think the earliest you might hope to get ranked is in two weeks after MLK and Stephenson play each other and P’Ridge and Collins Hill play each other. Not sure you will see much movement until then. Same would apply for Lassiter and Roswell… as the cream rises to the top of Region 6. I am curious to see which Region 6 team cracks the rankings first.


October 4th, 2009
9:35 pm

Purple hurricane what happened to your bears of Burke Co?. I’m sorry about the whippin that Baldwin gave them. Them WARRIORS are still winning. They beat a very good Swainsboro team in Swainsboro. Well I hope ya’ll bounce back from that loss, which was at home.


October 4th, 2009
9:36 pm

BulldawgBite: Northside goes to Tift County & that is it. The other 4 games are in Warner Robins.
The rankings mean nothing right now. The only thing that matters is being one of the top 4 seeds in your region.
Todd: In regards to tiebreakers, do they vary from region to region or is there a uniform tiebreaker procedure for region standings.
Mays High School Fan: Hasn’t SWD played MLK (a top 10 AAAAA team)?


October 4th, 2009
9:38 pm

Northsides only game away in the region is Tift. They have Warner and Colquit at the Mac. They are in the drivers seat to win the region.

Roswell Hornet Fan

October 4th, 2009
9:40 pm

Camden County has played 3 teams nationally ranked and barely lost to 2 of them. Walton, Lassiter and Roswell (all undefeated) will all have their opportunity to get in the top ten as the season progresses. There is 1 statewide poll of the 6 polls that ranks Lassiter 10th. The AP Georgia High School Writers poll basically has Lassiter 11th as it goes by votes. So Lassiter is being noticed just like Walton and Roswell.


October 4th, 2009
9:52 pm

Looking at NSWR schedule ,it looks like a cake walk the rest of the way. Besides NWSR and Lowdnes, the region looks pretty mediocre. It’s top two heavy but the rest are questionable. Face it, 1 AAAAA ain’t the beast it’s been made out to be.


October 4th, 2009
9:59 pm

Okay in that case NSWR would have to lose two games. and they will kill tift. and as we all know from a notorious eagles fan, and i quote ” The Eagles will never lose a home game at the MAC!!!” so ya i guess they got the region one locked in. Lowndes still has to play valdosta which is always a fun game for bragging rights sake. should be interesting to see how #2,3,4. end up down there. and agreed sanity rules. region 1 is better. but not by the same margin people thought at the beginning of the season

Newton parent

October 4th, 2009
10:05 pm

ALCOVY: You guys are doing your thing, but you know we aint going to get no respect over here in Newton Co. until we beat the big boys. But yall are in great shape with Ola, a dangerous Mt.Zion and Forest Park before the showdown with Griffin. Depending on that Griffin/ N.Clayton game Friday, it could be for all the marbles on NOV 6.


October 4th, 2009
10:06 pm

by the way, i love the gap in the AAAAA rankings to show how much better the top 5 teams are v.s. the rest of the state


October 4th, 2009
10:07 pm

if you want to see REAL RANKINGS
those are the true rankings for the state of GA
this is a joke

Newton parent

October 4th, 2009
10:08 pm

MM: I know you are probably a Grady fan, but just like Todd said, look at your schedule. What team weren’t you supposed to beat? And what team in the AAA top 10 would you replace Grady with?

Gwinnett Fan

October 4th, 2009
10:22 pm

Watch out for Peachtree Ridge. Very few teams win at Lowndes. Northside lost last year.

They are still one of the top 5 teams in the state. They will be 8-1 when they play a 9-0 North Gwinnett team for the region 7AAAAA title. in week 10.


October 4th, 2009
10:27 pm

Gwinnett Fan who ya got in that game? Im a north fan so naturally i want north to win but if your from an unbiased point of view who do you think wins that game?


October 4th, 2009
10:27 pm

When I look at these rankings, Im kind of puzzled at how Camden Co. is ranked over undefeated teams like Roswell and Lassiter. Camden lost the two most meaningful games on their schedule and OMG have you seen there schedule? They only play 1 REGION GAME on the road! HOW DO YOU PLAY ONE REGION GAME ON THE ROAD? On top of that in arguably the worst AAAAA region in the state, hands down. OMG the bottom of pathetic region 4-AAAAA could probably beat teams 2-5 in that region on the road no less, tell me im lying.

MHS Indians09

October 4th, 2009
10:29 pm

Hey “FAN” those rankings on that website are a joke!!!!


October 4th, 2009
10:29 pm

OMG IM stupid they are the defending State Champs lol


October 4th, 2009
10:31 pm

Justafan your right it is the worst region in the state hands down. but id think the #2 team could hold its own against the bottom feeders of region 4. other than that your correct. and ya not just roswell and lassiter. but i think walton and collins hill are still both undefeated. region 6 will lose all 4 playoff games first round anyways so that leaves collins hill. and ya collins hill should be ranked ahead based on record. but in a game they would lose to camden 9 times out of 10


October 4th, 2009
10:36 pm

My bad I left out Walton, probably more deserving of a ranking more than anybody based on their continued success over the last decade. Thats three teams from Region 5 Todd what are you doing?


October 4th, 2009
10:39 pm

Three teams from Region 6 my bad again

the real Old Gold

October 4th, 2009
10:42 pm

Good to see Calhoun keep the top ranking in AA. I was at the Gordon Central game and they played 2nd string O and D from the end of the 2nd Quarter and still won 56-17 (or maybe it was 14). And they’re doing it without as much pure talent as last years state runner up. This is simply a well coached ball team and the D is really coming together.

David Grantham

October 4th, 2009
10:59 pm

Todd, here are my thoughts on how you and any pollster should rank teams, including college football.

First, foremost , and always, by record.

Regardless of what class (conference) the team owes its losses, someone wins, loses, or ties. If you are going to rank 1-loss, 2-loss, or 3-loss teams in front of other teams teams that have a better record, then what is the point in keeping score? Obviously, some will say to seed the top 4 teams for the playoffs.

I submit this challenge to you: give us a poll, in your opinion, that ranks teams according to their record.

Top 25 in 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, and 1A.

Unbeatens ranked first, then 1-loss teams, then 2-loss teams, …and lets see how that weekly poll compares to the teams that make the playoffs from each region.

I would like to see what you and the AJC folks think about that.


October 4th, 2009
11:03 pm

Looking ahead at most likely playoff contests for Lowndes.
As stated most likely headed to Camden second round.
Next possibility is interesting. Loser of PTree/North Gwinnett
would take on McEachern. If that loser is N. Gwinnett and they beat McEachern then a coin toss for home field advantage. If that loser is Ptree and they beat McEachern then Home field advantage to Lowndes.
Next would be the winner of the Grayson/Newnan game on the road.
Then to the Dome.

So the most likely scenarios are 2nd round away against Camden.
Third round either home against Ptree/NG or away against NG/McEachern.
Fourth Round away against Newnan/Grayson.
Fifth round at the dome against NG/Northside.

Region 2 #1 does have the easiest road to the Semis until they most likely then take on either NG/Northside. Up to that point their most dangerous game may be Region 1 #3 seed in second round. Not convinced Region 6 #1 will be that much of an obstacle.

But first the Winnersville classic….always fun and challenging.

Todd Holcomb

October 4th, 2009
11:03 pm

To FAN: GaSports rankings, IMO, are the least valid. Isn’t that the poll that had Chattahoochee County No. 2 in Class A last week? That’s also the poll that had Lakeside of Atlanta at No. 10 after the first week.

re: Camden: I should have a stock answer for this one since it comes up each week. Camden has lost to the No. 1 team in Georgia and the No. 1 team in Alabama. What would the record of Roswell, Lassiter, Walton or Collins Hill be if they had played Grayson and Hoover? Probably 3-2, just like Camden. I’ve got no problem with any of those four undefeated teams being ranked in other polls. Each has a good argument. But here’s the way I look at it: Camden has finished in the Top 10 in six of the past seven seasons. What has happened this season to make me think the trend is ending? The fact that Camden lost by three and four points to teams that are ranked in the top 20 in the nation? If one of those three teams in Region 6-AAAAA begins to dominate the others, or if Grayson and Hoover turn out to be weaker than they appear, then I might see things differently. But right now, if Camden played those teams, I wouldn’t bet against them.

re: Mays vs. SWD: If Mays were a Top 10 team, Mays would be undefeated right now. A Top 10 team in AAAA will not lose to Alexander, need overtime against Whitewater and beat Tri-Cities by a field goal. SWD has played like a Top 10 team in every game – They’ve blown out weak teams and they’ve lost close to a Top 10 team from a higher classification. Further, SWD is a team that made the quarterfinals last season and returns incredible talent. Mays didn’t make the playoffs. Which one-loss team would you give the benefit of the doubt? I’ll stand by SWD.


October 4th, 2009
11:08 pm

David Grantham so if Camden played some lesser teams like Meadowcreek and Berkmar and won (they would have) instead of playing Grayson and Hoover, then they would be pretty much a guaranteed #1 for the whole year by the way you want the rankings done. Especially since they were last years state champs and knowing how easy their region is for them to walk through each year.

Todd Holcomb

October 4th, 2009
11:23 pm

re: Calhoun – Yes, Calhoun is well-coached, but to say, ”This is simply a well coached ball team,” isn’t fair to a bunch of well-coached ball teams who’d LOVE to have Da’Rick Rogers, Nance Nash and a couple of other Calhoun players who are signing D-I. Fitzgerald, ranked No. 2, has had about one D-I guy in 20 years. Calhoun is well-coached and has tremendous talent for a AA school.

David: I don’t think doing rankings as you propose would be as interesting or as popular or as valid. Do we really want to pretend that Union Grove is better than Lowndes or that Berrien is better than Thomasville? Aren’t people more interested in how good the teams really are beyond the W-L records? We’ve got standings for W-L. Rankings serve the function of informing people (albeit subjectively) how good the teams have actually performed in the context of the schedules they’ve played. In high school football, strength-of-schedule differences from team to team can be profound. Rankings are an attempt to cut through the bull of W-L records and tell you what’s really going on. Nothing wrong with your way of ranking, but I think the way we’re doing them are what people want to see.


October 4th, 2009
11:26 pm

Alright Todd its clear that you got some grudge against Stephenson and that you probably dont respect us as a team to go deep into the playoffs(Your not the only one, so get in line). Why dont you do us all a favor and drop us out the rankings. OK we had a little trouble against a very good Newton County team that will give MLK a fight this weekend. But like you should already know the game was poorly officiated. Also rain is any team that relys on its speed like Stephenson weakness. We had seven starters out with injuries and 5 others with disciplinary problems but SO WHAT. We won the game and thats all you should be concerned with Todd and all other Stephenson Haters. Stephenson could care less what you or anybody else thinks of us and you all should just stop talking about us. Whether you all think we have bad coaches or no discipline doesnt matter cause we over at Stephenson KNOW WE HAVE THE BEST COACHES AND PLAYERS IN THE STATE. Although we dont have a ring to prove it YET, we accomplish the main task that everyone should have when playing football at the high school level and that is get the kids into college for FREE. Many of the top so called teams in the state have good state champion teams but where does that get the kids if they dont have a college to go to after high school. They end up being bums who never go to college and just have a ring to show how successful their lifes have been. I Dont know about yall but would you rather have a Free Scholarship to college and continue your football career or win a state championship that last a few years and sooner or later be forgotten about in the mist of other state championship teams and not go to college or end up paying thousands of dollars to get in a school to walk on and possibly never play football again in your whole life. Think about it.


October 4th, 2009
11:59 pm

Sephenson has the best players but not the coaches or they would be winning it all in my book.

Grayson makes it past this weekend……they can hold that spot till we see how the playoffs have them pair up. Brookwood has me a little worried, they are looking pretty strong right now. They made some changes that might cause Grayson some problems…as well as the rest of 8 AAAAA.

Grayson knocked Parkviews QB out of action with broken jaw. Parkview will limp into the playoffs now. Still think South Gwinnett can take second seed in 8 AAAAA. Will see.

I watched NSWR on Web. Matched up with Grayson I do not see them beating them at Grayson or in neutral site. At home though…..I would not bet against NSWR.

Are there a lot of AAAAA schools that could possibly be classified as AAAAAA? There seems to be schools out there that should and could field a AAAAAA classifcation. What would it take to make that happen? Just to stir up conversation, not saying it should happen.


October 5th, 2009
12:04 am




October 5th, 2009
12:09 am

Way to go Rams. You deserve number 1

David Grantham

October 5th, 2009
12:28 am

Yo: In regards to Camden, I guess so. Within those unbeaten teams, you would still have arguments. Who is the best undefeated team? One loss team? Two loss team?

Todd: I understand it may be what people want, so maybe my argue is more relevant for the BCS.

I would say that the fallacy in many of the arguments made on here (i.e., strength of schedule, best region) is that they are based on last year’s performance or the history of the program. Quite frankly, there are too many variables week in and week out to use those arguments.

You have 15-18 year old kids dealing with the daily grind of just being a high school kid. Pimples, girlfriends/boyfriends, the flu, classloads, family life, post-graduation, post-game plans, and the list goes on. The same factors could be applied to each coach and how well they are focused during the week.

So strength of schedule doesn’t mean much to me. As we have seen in the past, the W-L gets you into the playoffs, but only one champion is crowned…and it could be a 4-loss team.

syrup made

October 5th, 2009
12:34 am

ga varsity never had chattahoochee county number 2, i think you’re talking about a different poll… ga varsity is the only poll i’ve see that has had gainesville number one the whole season and started grayson out at number one too

i bleed blue and orange

October 5th, 2009
12:35 am

I of course live here in Warner Robins and attended Northside, the only teams left in Northside’s schedule that has a chance is Warner Robins and Colquitt. Only reason i say Warner Robins is because it has been known to happen when one or the other is having a good season (Northside and Warner Robins that is) the other upsets them. It was a very big win for Northside friday (not that they was supposed to win), in the light of it all I still believe that Northside will get beat in the playoffs and not go all the way(if they do go all the way good).

Mays High School Fan

October 5th, 2009
12:59 am

Todd Holcomb Alexander isn’t that bad they are (3-2) and from the look of their remaining schedule they will probably end up with a pretty good record which means Mays losing to them don’t look as bad. Whitewater record is bad but they have always seem to bring their A game against Mays just like from past seasons the games our usually close between the two schools. The Tri-Cities game was suppose to be a blow out but the refs was cheating I was at the game I saw what went on and so did everybody else in the stands Mays got so many calls called back when they were suppose to have scored. I noticed something you always bring up what teams have done last season that doesn’t matter the focus is on this season and what the team can do this year.

Mr. Riley

October 5th, 2009
1:59 am

being an NSWR alumni I was glad to see them pull out the victory over lowdnes and i think we have a pretty good team, however with the team being stock full of soph’s and junior’s (and a few fresh i might add) i dont see us going to far into the playoffs. Now dont get me wrong we do have one hell of a coaching staff however it never hurts to have that senior leader ship on the fied in key positions and that’s were we may be lacking.

As for the rest of the region (1AAAAA)…it is still unsure who’s gonna come out on top…i mean realistically its still anyone’s chance for the taking at this point…it wont start to pan out until week 7 and 8. and also what is it with all of the stephenson fans crying foul?????….for the life of me i can’t understand how your team year to year has some of the premier athletes in the state and yet cannot make it past the first or second round of the playoffs?….i mean really there is no excuse…and i am like everyone else who knows the answer to your issue…COACHING….having D-1 prospects doesn’t mean a hill of beans if the coaching staff is subpar….cause the PLAYERS are only one integral part in winning a championship..


October 5th, 2009
2:08 am

I love my mays raiders but.. this is unacceptable. Its nt that Alexander is a good team, our boys lack coaching.. every team on our side of the division is way that tri cities games was supposed to even be close. This Mays team is really nt the same team that used to actually compete in region 6 AAAA with marist, tucker, and st. pius… And i actually agree with Todd. Mays isnt going to put into ANY polls for more than a week until we actualy beat somebody outside of 5B-AAAA.. which would mean actually advancing past the 2nd round of the playoffs. Nobody is going to take us seriously until that happens more than once.. Its just the truth