Florida State’s probation causes concern among football prospects

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Storm Johnson is one of Georgia's top 2010 tailbacks (Rich Addicks/AJC)

Storm Johnson is one of Georgia's top 2010 tailbacks (Rich Addicks/AJC)

The P-word is scaring some of Florida State’s top recruiting targets. “FSU is not as high as they were with me because of probation,” said Newnan safety Alec Ogletree, who is considered Georgia’s No. 1 prospect with 33 early offers. “Florida State was my childhood favorite. I’m still open to them. I’m just not sure about getting involved with any program on probation. We’ll just see how it all plays out.”

Gainesville’s Blake Sims has been offered by FSU as a dual-threat quarterback. “That hurt me a lot when they got on probation because I was so high on them. My feelings have jumped back a little bit. I want to go to a school where I can trust everybody on the coaching staff. If I go to a school that has been put on probation, I don’t feel like I’d be able to trust them.”

According to the AP, Florida State’s athletic program received four years probation from the NCAA and will lose scholarships in football and may have to forfeit games because of a widespread academic cheating scandal involving 10 sports.

“Florida State dropped down a lot with me because they got in all that trouble,” said Loganville tailback Storm Johnson, who has 10 offers. “They have a great program, but I don’t think I want to be any part of that.”

Alec Ogletree says FSU was childhood favorite

Alec Ogletree says FSU was childhood favorite

Lowndes offensive tackle Ed Christian is one of two juniors that have committed to Florida State. He said he intends to remain loyal to the Seminoles, at least for now. “I guess if you do bad things, then you deserve the punishment. I’m not worried about probation, though. It doesn’t affect me. Other schools have been talking to me, but FSU is the school where I want to be at, no matter what.”

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Cliff Levingston

March 11th, 2009
12:24 am

I guess FSU can now kiss goodbye any future Credit Union Bowl and the Poinsettia Bowl appearances. Those soon will be considered the good ol’ days.

DirtyDawg

March 11th, 2009
12:32 am

If this means they’ll have to forfeit some games, Bobby just might call it a career. He’ll have a hard enough time catching Jo-Pa as it is, but if he falls a half-dozen behind it’s all over.

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JustCallMeChamp

March 11th, 2009
4:45 am

After years of getting pass after pass by the NCAA, looks like Bobbys chickens have finally come to roost. Brings back some of his memorable quotes such as “Its not like he shot the president” or his famous “boys will be boys” line.

[...] worrying about Diddy vs. JoePa, the media ought to be following Michael Carvell’s lead with stories like this.  I guarantee you that’s a much bigger concern to Jimbo Fisher right now than Bowden’s [...]

Nten

March 11th, 2009
7:31 am

Note to the above recruits:

Pound Sand

BigMike

March 11th, 2009
7:37 am

“Free Shoes University”, in ATL,don’t go trying to come down on UGA due to your schools indiscretions.You sound like the third grade kid that gets caught stealing candy,take your punishment like men, and watch your school be ranked 20th to 25th best in the country year after year.GREG REID, I bet you are second guessing yourself right now aren’t you!

LawDawg

March 11th, 2009
7:39 am

FSU in ATL

yeah, right…..(wink, wink). Jealousy will get you know where in life. You might soon be “FSU in ALB”

Naganole

March 11th, 2009
7:41 am

This won’t hurt recruiting one bit. The probation means nothing because FSU can still be seen on TV and go to bowl games. As soon as Jimbo and the other coaches hit the road to recruit, everything will be worked out. UGA and GT will watch their top guys leave the state again…

UF&UGAfanscansuckit

March 11th, 2009
7:52 am

I think it’s funny that those think this is Bowden’s fault. None of the coaches of the programs involved knew it was even going on. Some of you need to get your facts straight. To recruits, you are being fed a line of BS from people that used to be loyal to FSU. Clemson is doing the same thing with the Byrnes trio and that is coming from Kevin Steele who worked for FSU as well. Richt….is just sad to me. He could never win the big one at FSU and I guess that’s the mantra for his coaching career.

There is NO BOWL BAN OR TV BAN! No recruits will even notice the scholarship crunch. Those that want to come still will…those that now don’t, we don’t need you and I don’t want you affiliated with my alma mater anyway.

dap01

March 11th, 2009
8:02 am

To the people to make the smirk comments about the “Preacher Coach” at UGA:

You are very limited in your ability to discuss football. If you have to start every blog with an attempt of a personal attach on someone who has a person faith, you are a weak person.

Argue about football, don’t attach a persons faith.

GA Tech Insider

March 11th, 2009
8:08 am

Unfortunately for FSU’s fans and innocent players, you will feel the repercussions of the lost scholarships for several years, just like GA Tech’s did.

While a few lost scholarship athletes every year may not seem like much, they do add up, and it affects a Team’s depth. When you play other high quality Teams year in and year out, it will start to take a toll.

This doesn’t mean that FSU won’t win a ton of games, but if they end up having any significant injuries, players who get suspended or transferred, then the lost scholarships will really be felt. FSU can’t miss on any players they bring in at that point and have to rely on walk on players, just like GA Tech has done the past several seasons.

From a potential recruit’s perspective, it’s reasonable to take into consideration these potential risks before opting to sign with FSU, just as they took them into consideration before signing with GA Tech in the past. It shouldn’t necessarily be a “deal killer,” but it should be good reason to pause, especially in light of the fact of how competitive the ACC is becoming.

At this juncture,it could be argued that the easier road to a BCS Bowl will be through Atlanta and Chapel Hill than through Tallahassee.

MarkRicht

March 11th, 2009
8:15 am

Dear UF&UGAFANSCAN, I would hate for facts to change your argument about me, but I did ‘win the big one’ not once, but twice at FSU. Being a FSU fan, I expect more from you. Were you not a fan in the 90’s when I built that great offense including two Heisman trophy winners.

Ben M

March 11th, 2009
8:25 am

Thank you to naganole. Florida State starts the year on ABC nationally playing vs. Miami. The reason? The ACC and the TV network pushed so hard because ratings are great. Find me a Georgia game that isn’t vs. Florida (Florida is the draw folks, don’t get it twisted) that is nationally televised. Florida State will play nationally televised games at least 3 times this upcoming year and a game at BYU will likely be nationally televised.

These Georgia folks are really dilusional. Did you hear that Roy Williams and Bill Self are in a shoving match to see who can coach Georgia basketball? Yawn.

The ‘Noles will have a Top 10 recruiting class again while Georgia slips even further in the national rankings (worst collapse of a preseason #1 ever). 8-4 in 2009. Say goodnight to all the good will that Mark Richt has built up and they’ll probably blame Willie Martinez instead of the lack of talent development on the defensive side of the ball.

Go ‘Noles!

Bob

March 11th, 2009
8:26 am

Richt couldn’t win the big game at FSU. Who was the OC in 99? And for all you Nole fans who were glad to see Richt leave in 01, well where have you been since he came to Athens. No coincidence that FSU’s tumble from glory started with Richt’s departure.

Huh?

March 11th, 2009
8:46 am

“Find me a Georgia game that isn’t vs. Florida (Florida is the draw folks, don’t get it twisted) that is nationally televised.

Georgia played on national television 8 times last year. You are a total moron. Have a great day.

SEC fan

March 11th, 2009
8:53 am

For those who think Bowden or the coaches have no responsibility, the coaches are the leaders and as such they are indeed responsible for the team’s actions. This wasn’t just a few kids breaking the rules. The attitudes, environment, and ethics of the “team” won’t change because they were caught. Probation means that if they are caught stumbling again in the next 4 years, no Bowls/TV/Conf Championship games/etc and more scholarships gone. Top flight prospects who would choose to play ‘Russian roulette’ with their careers and go into that environment are simply crazy. Plenty of great schools that don’t have that axe hanging over their heads. Ogletree, Johnson, and the others are very smart to simply mark FSU off their lists. FSU fans and coaches will say this is nothing but it is truly serious and the smart prospects will recognize that and go somewhere else where they don’t have to worry about the axe falling. With FSU’s record for trouble, I sure wouldn’t want to bet on them being squeaky clean for the next 4 years.

jimmy

March 11th, 2009
8:55 am

recruits say,,,,”im not as high on them right now”,,,adults say the same thing when something happens at their workplace but yet stay or hang arond. once the real “recruits” look,,,then theyll make a decision,,, loss of scholarshipsisnt going to affect like most think at all (a total of what? 5 i think in 2 years? fsu will still be BCS bowl eligible and natl championship game eligible. play their cards right and the recruits will still be there.while i am a fsu fan and not saying what the athletes did was right,,,what is happening to usc and all the homes for free,,,payments to reggie bush? if your going to be fair,,,be fair is all i ask.

Ben

March 11th, 2009
9:22 am

The facts…

The attacks on Bobby are pointless. The university has had the academic administration not the athletic dept. in charge of all students’ grades and courses for several years. When Bobby and the coaching staff caught wind of the scandal he suspended all players involved to 4 games. The first game was a bowl game and a loss to UK, which FSU probably would have won if Bobby like “Silver Britches” said looks away. He didn’t look away at L. Coles or more recently the best player on FSUs roster Preston Parker.

Don’t attach his character he is a good man and he loves his players, ask any FSU great… Derrick Brooks, Warrick Dunn, Charlie Ward… the man is loved.

As far as the attacks on Richt they are unwarranted, he is Bowden’s protégé, he is a good football coach but even a better man.

As far as Cliff Levingston’s comment on FSUs future bowl games appearances, didn’t UGA just play in the Capital 1 Bowl….

And “BigMike” Greg Reid made the right choice i.e. Deion Sanders, Leroy Butler, Terrell Buckley, Samari Rolle, Dexter Jackson, and Antonio Cromartie
And as your comment on “Free Shoes University” 1 it was Derrick Brooks who made the mistake of getting a few pairs of shoes and some pizza from an agent and he was suspended 3 games… (he turned out to be a pretty high character guy I’ll say) 2 – way to quote Steve Superior, I didn’t know he was so liked in GA…..

ACC fan

March 11th, 2009
9:35 am

There are some good points on here, but the bottom line is the kids that are getting recruited to go to FSU should look at more than just the fact that the school is on probation now. It is all about the image the program promotes themselves with and the academics as well.

Snoop

March 11th, 2009
9:51 am

How could a program be so corrupt for so long without Bowden’s knowledge? We need to put a * next to Bowden’s record after subtracting the wins in question.

Pago Flyer

March 11th, 2009
9:55 am

Well it doesn’t look like the coach at “free shoe u” will catch up with the guy up at Penn State! By the way, has the guy up at PSU ever smiled or been nice to the sports media?

Ben M

March 11th, 2009
9:58 am

My apologies to the moron driving the huh? post. Find me nationally televised games that actually draw numbers. Florida State has the 2nd highest rated bowl game and the highest ever rated regular season game. You do the math, oh wait if you went to Georgia, you can’t. National brand vs. a team that stole the Green Bay Packers logo. Go play Georgia Southern again.

mcdawg

March 11th, 2009
10:03 am

I think this is a big deal for FSU-they seemed to be on the cusp of getting their swagger back-big for recruiting in South Georgia -they took some great players from there in the past

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Huh?

March 11th, 2009
10:21 am

“Florida State has the 2nd highest rated bowl game and the highest ever rated regular season game.”

When? Maybe in 1999, but not now. I find it hard to believe that millions of Americans were rushing to their television sets to watch 8-4 FSU in the Champs Sports bowl. Don’t get me wrong, that Music City Bowl against Kentucky a year ago was a heck of a game, but the 2nd highest rated bowl game ever? Doubt it. FSU is a has been program. You are living in the past.

I’m not going to get in to a ratings argument with you. You made a stupid comment and I called you out on it. Suffice to say, I doubt UGA would have appeared on national television 8 times last season if CBS, ESPN, and ABC weren’t confident that people would watch. I’ll just leave it at that.

CS

March 11th, 2009
10:35 am

Huh..

He is right. FSU is a tv darling and their bowl game last season was the second highest watched bowl in espn history. You can check espn’s website if you don’t believe me. By the way the scholarship loss will not hurt. FSU hasn’t even used their full allotment of scholarships recently. That ruling will only affect walk-ons getting scholarships.

CS

March 11th, 2009
10:37 am

stole the Green Bay Packers logo. good one Ben M.

Ben M

March 11th, 2009
10:41 am

Thanks you CS. I actually work in media but let’s not facts get in the way of a good argument, eh?

According to ESPN, Florida State’s 42-13 victory over Wisconsin averaged 5,098,000 homes, based on a 5.2 rating making it the second-largest bowl audience ever for an ESPN broadcast.

matt

March 11th, 2009
10:46 am

Ben M- it’s understandable that you would be bitter towards UGA since you haven’t done jack $hit since Richt left. Also, you and Notre Lame are still living off your legacy of yesterday. You are both nationally televised and your programs couldn’t be any more irrelevant in college football. I know watching FSU and a rebuilding Miami sure gets my adrenaline going!!!!!

Jeff Greissinger

March 11th, 2009
10:55 am

Ben…it’s the freakin’ Champ’s Sports Bowl! My goodness if that is your point of pride then FSU has fallen a lot further than I ever would have imagined!

Huh?

March 11th, 2009
10:57 am

“Thanks you CS. I actually work in media but let’s not facts get in the way of a good argument, eh?”

Yeah, like the fact that it was only ESPN’s highest rated bowl game ever. You conveniently neglected to mention this small little detail. ESPN only broadcasts the mid tier December bowl games. Whoopdeefreakingdoo. FSU has the highest rated meaningless December bowl game ever. FSU is back baby!!! Are you serious? This is what FSU is hanging its hat on these days? Absolutely laughable.

FSU is a has been.

Huh?

March 11th, 2009
10:59 am

I bet that Emerald Bowl a couple of years ago was the highest rated Emerald Bowl of all time!!! Bow down to the Noles!!!

Good grief. Unbelievable.

Brian

March 11th, 2009
11:11 am

There is alot of misinformation out there. Coaches like Dabo and Clemson saying we are not bowl eligable and that kind of stuff. Once all that misinformtion is cleared up these kids will know who is being straight with them. FSU is coming back to to the top, maybe even this year and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it.

matt

March 11th, 2009
11:13 am

Huh- i love it!! Ben- I hope it’s not in print media because there are more spelling and grammar errors in your posts than an 8th grade Lit paper.

Jeff Hagadone

March 11th, 2009
11:34 am

It’s weird. FSU will still have a top 5 recruiting class next year complete with one of the top 3 QBs in the country. Check the facts, since Jimbo has arrived – we are a recruiting power once again. Get used to it.

Jeff Hagadone

March 11th, 2009
11:36 am

Huh? is a never was.

UF&UGAfanscansuckit

March 11th, 2009
11:37 am

“Dear UF&UGAFANSCAN, I would hate for facts to change your argument about me, but I did ‘win the big one’ not once, but twice at FSU. Being a FSU fan, I expect more from you. Were you not a fan in the 90’s when I built that great offense including two Heisman trophy winners.”

Dear idiot who wrote this. Mark Richt was not the Offensive Coordinator at FSU in 1993. Please don’t test my college football knowledge. Your football card, so to speak, should be revoked.

DirtyDawg

March 11th, 2009
11:38 am

If recruits aren’t bothered by evidence of poor character, then that says something about their own. As for Georgia ’stealing’ the Green Bay ‘G’ shaped like a football, admittedly we probably got the idea from them, but as for ’stealing’ if they didn’t bother to copyright the thing then it ain’t stealing, it’s in the public domain. Wonder how many other colleges or high schools whose name starts with the letter ‘G’ or ‘C’ has done the same thing. My guess is that GB probably got it from somebody else somewhere along the way. No such thing as an original idea.

chris

March 11th, 2009
12:07 pm

good thing signing day is 11 months away. Any school telling a recuit this will affect fsu is lying. fsu had already enforced scholarship reductions, so this will not make a difference. FSU may not be relevant , but what would you consider a school that has not won a natonal title since 1980?

Chris

March 11th, 2009
12:51 pm

As a respectable journalist you should know to check all your sources before publishing an article. Not every sport was involved in this, but you say “all 10″ when there are 18 sports at FSU.

Go Noles

March 11th, 2009
12:54 pm

This hurts out program for now but we’ll be fine.

FSUgrad

March 11th, 2009
12:56 pm

chris, what are you talking about? The associated press said that the cheating scandal was more than our football team. it involved all 10 sports that were being investigated. not just football. you cant hang all of this on our fsu football boys. why are you taking shots at georgia? they have a respectable program and richt came from fsu. calm down.

joe

March 11th, 2009
1:11 pm

I’ve been following this NCAA investigation for some time. The number one key fsu employee involved in the scandal whom the ncaa wanted to interview flat out refused to cooperate. The obvious conclusion is the school president picked the lesser of the two poisons (testify and incriminate the coaching staff or leave the school for a new state job. This guy wasn’t a rogue tutor as everyone claimed and he knows too much. So stop with saying the coaches didn’t know. The truth is still being covered up and its not over yet. fsu has ninety days to report which games should be vacated from 06 and 07 seasons. If they don’t comply and get it right, the committee has it in writing that they can go back and increase the scholarship phase of the punishment.

Huh?

March 11th, 2009
1:22 pm

“They’ve played in twice as many BCS games as those folks up in Athens.”

Yet another WHOOPDEEFREAKINGDOO is in order here. You play in the All Crap Conference. The last time your has been washed up team played in a BCS bowl you had 5 losses. Give me a break. Nobody cares about how many BCS bowls you’ve been to. You usually lose them anyway. FSU fans are out to lunch and living in the past.

Gator Guy

March 11th, 2009
1:33 pm

DirtyDawg – The “G” is trademarked by Green Bay. UGA uses it with their permission. Same with Grambling (I think). Geez, you needed a Gator to tell you this? BTW, as a Gator, watching UGA and FSU fans sling mud at each other is very entertaining!

Go UGA

March 11th, 2009
1:35 pm

I bet Greg Reid wishes he would have chose the Dawgs now.

Roswell Nole

March 11th, 2009
1:36 pm

I know these are highschool kids, but they should really find out what really happened. FSU reported the violation to the NCAA, then hired an outside auditing company to go in and find out who violated what rules. The NCAA then went in and conducted their own investigation on top of that, but found nothing that FSU did not report. The coaching staff was NOT involved in any of this. This falls completely on the sholders of the kids who chose to cheat and the acedemic advisor who handed out the tests. The sanctions really are not that bad and it should not scare off any prospects.

Roswell Nole

March 11th, 2009
1:43 pm

Also 300 total students were involved in the cheating scandal, do you think the coaches had the acedemic advisors give them the test too? This class was known at FSU for being a class where the tests were never changed. It would be highly unlikely that the coaches were involved in this kind of crap.

Yawn

March 11th, 2009
1:45 pm

I believe only 3 head coaches have coached both the offensive and defensive NFL Man of the Year award winners — you get that for what you do off the field, not on it — and Bobby Bowden is the only one still coaching (Gruden and Dungy are the other two).

So much for the character bashing.

FWIW, Richt is cut from the same cloth too.

CS

March 11th, 2009
1:47 pm

The funny thing about this is that probation means nothing. Alabama and Oklahoma are still on probation. Hasn’t affected them has it.

Realist

March 11th, 2009
2:07 pm

This article is a joke, but it isn’t as bad as some of the ignorant posts on this board. Go to the NCAA website and read the findings.

The facts-
-NO COACHES WERE INVOLVED!!! This was the academic support staff which doesn’t report to anyone in the Athletics department. The NCAA states that there is no evidence to the contrary to believe that anyone in the athletics department knew of the wrongdoing. The Music (XY) class in question had more than just athletes involved. There were regular students as well (every frat/sort had the answers too). Everyone has to retake the class. The NCAA doesn’t govern over regular students though.
-FSU will lose 2 football scholarships annually…which really only affects the walk-ons. FSU usually awards 2-4 walk-ons a scholly anually.
-FSU will still be on TV and able to participate in bowl games. Much like OU is able to do the same.
-The potential vacation of games is retro-active, meaning games that have already been played. They aren’t losses either, it is just like they don’t exist. (FSU is appealing this and has good basis to have it over-turned).

There is 11 months left until NSD. This should have a minimal effect on recruiting. How bad are these rival coaches going to look when they are proven to be lying to recruits? If you lie to them about this, then what else have you lied about?

Realist

March 11th, 2009
2:16 pm

GO UGA- I ‘m sure Greg Reid does wish he chose UGA…if he can’t read. Assuming the kid can read, then he is probably smart enough to realize that the majority of this is negative recruiting propaganda. This is pure unfounded gossip. It doesn’t really affect him at all.

OU and BAMA are both on a similar probation and I believe they were #1 and #3 going into the BOWL GAMES…yes, they got to play in BOWL GAMES!

Realist

March 11th, 2009
2:26 pm

HUH? UGA is the Clemson of the SEC. You guys have some false sense of entitlement when you have been largely an irrelevant team for the last 25 years. How many conference championships and NC’s do you have in the last 25 years? I don’t even know your record against UF the past 15 years, but I know it isn’t very pretty.

Last year was your year, pre-season #1. You had your dream team and I think you finished with a similar record to a rebuilding FSU. You can claim the SEC is tougher than the ACC thing if you like…even though the ACC had a winning record against the SEC last year. You can also claim UF won the NC out of the SEC. UF played both FSU and UGA….and they beat you worse than they beat us.

Whatever makes you feel better…just remember your coach came from FSU and Bowden is still his biggest mentor. Before Richt…you guys weren’t even as good as Georgia Tech.

SuperDAWG

March 11th, 2009
2:35 pm

to all of you fs fans when you beat ga again it will be something to celebrate.check your records.GA 6 wins fs 4 1 tie.mark richt is a class guy and would not bring himself down to your level on this subject.all GA wins are in bowl games.bobby bowden is a class guy to and should hang it up before he is brought down in the decline of fsu.

Huh?

March 11th, 2009
2:50 pm

I don’t give a crap about the last 25 years. I give a crap about right now. Right now FSU is nothing more than a medicore ACC team patheticly desperate to return to elite status. You clowns barely scrap by 8 and 9 win seasons in the ACC and come on here acting like your some powerhouse. Talk about a sense of entitlement. I don’t have to defend UGA’s record under Mark Richt to you. It speaks for itself and craps all over FSU’s laughable record in the same time span. Boy, you guys sure do miss him don’t you? Go shine your Champ Sports Bowl trophy. Maybe that will make you feel better.

Realist

March 11th, 2009
2:53 pm

Superdawg…man you are going back in time. UGA does hold the win edge, but most of those games were played pre-1965. The majority of UGA’s wins came in the 1950’s (when FSU just started it’s modern program)…actually FSU has a better record since 1960 (4 wins, 1 tie, 1 loss). The loss should also point out that our best WR (Anquan Boldin) was playing QB in that game, because our 3rd string QB (Fabian Walker) who started…had severe shoulder problems. It was still a close game even with all that. Fabian actually went on to play at VSU later.

SuperDAWG

March 11th, 2009
3:00 pm

if fsu is such a big draw for national coverage then the nation has seen fsu get hammered by UGA. AS FOR REALIST GA OWNS gt UGA 58 WINS gt 34 5 ties.get real.

Realist

March 11th, 2009
3:12 pm

HUH?- Are you serious? You guys had a losing record in ‘93 and ‘96 with some 6-4 seasons between. FSU hasn’t had a losing record since ‘76. We have also played for two National Championships in the last decade, winning one in ‘99. How many have you guys played in? Zero. Every single team goes through a rebuilding phase UF did it when Zook was there. USC did it before Carroll. Penn St. has done it. OSU before Tressell.

You can talk about the SEC all you want…you haven’t been able to win it, unless you count the down year in 2003. FSU played UGA in the Sugar Bowl that year without a QB and the game was very close (UGA scoring late)!!!

There is a very good chance that FSU will have a better record than UGA this year despite FSU playing a tougher schedule.

Huh?

March 11th, 2009
3:30 pm

Just because you have been owned by Wake Forest for 3 years in a row does not mean that your schedule is more difficult. It means that your team is a total joke. Anyway, congrats on having the courage to schedule Maine. I hear them boys can bring the wood.

FSU fans are a riot.

Ben

March 11th, 2009
3:31 pm

I officially hate UGA fans more than Gator fans… They r like the Clemson of the SEC… they have no merit and ALWAYS talk garbage, UF fans talk a lot of garbage but there’s a least some merit behind it…. Georgia fans really have nothing to be proud of in the last few decades besides UGA, he’s the only reason I would watch there crappy over rated games (YEY we r #1 for one week) to see if he will bite another SEC player….. and to see the majority of there over weight fans growl @ the camera…. Maybe it’s because Georgia was established as a penal colony… I can’t explain it.

Ben

March 11th, 2009
3:41 pm

BTW, ESPN issued an article earlier this year for the top football programs in NCAA history… FSU finished 9th ahead of all other Florida teams… Don’t think UGA even made the top 25..Bark…Bark…

Huh?

March 11th, 2009
3:47 pm

If only ESPN articles helped you beat Wake Forest. You would be in great shape.

RickNole

March 11th, 2009
3:56 pm

I really can not believe the hatred from Dawg fans..

So we go back to hanging out hat on the “SEC is harder than the ACC” lame azz arguement.

Despite all of this drama with FSU, the Noles are on the way back and you guys shot your wad this year and still came up a day late and a dollar short.

andrew

March 11th, 2009
4:01 pm

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! you georgia fans must be loving this right now…keep in mind that the recruits listed above are recruits in the state of GEORGIA…dawg fans are kinda excited about this, because it may mean that the in state prospects might actually stay in state! but wait, theres 10 months until nsd, which might be a long enough time to clear the air on a lot of this stuff…these are just initial reactions less than a week after the fact…just give it time!

Ben

March 11th, 2009
4:02 pm

what is WF over record aganist FSU 3 wins to 14 losses???… BTW Wake has 2- lst round draft picks and a very classy coach… they kinda remind me of UGA….

Otto

March 11th, 2009
4:06 pm

Ben, UGA was #14 and has been winning longer than FSU has had a program. Not to mention FSU football was a joke before Bowden. UGA football has had ups and downs but has won conference titles in just about every decade. FSU has not been a serious threat for a national title since Richt. I like FSU and Bobby has had a great run but to put FSU that far ahead of UGA is laughable.

Otto

March 11th, 2009
4:12 pm

Rick most serious UGA fans really didn’t expect to win the title. The OL was pieced together. UGA has a better chance this year. Besides how long did it take Bobby to win the title? How long has FSU been on their way back and they didn’t even win a mediocre ACC?

Ben

March 11th, 2009
4:15 pm

Otto – I really don’t know the numbers of UGA nor do i care… But stop and consider what FSU has accomplished in over a short period of time in comparison to anything UGA has ever done, if u still really think ur program is better just because u have been around for a hundred years then there’s no reason for me to even agrue with you… your way past reality… keep living the dream of Run Lindsey, Run.

andrew

March 11th, 2009
4:25 pm

didnt that acc power georgia tech flat wear you out?

Otto

March 11th, 2009
4:25 pm

Ben both have had great runs and UGAs current run reminds me of the 80s with Bobby at FSU. FSU just could not put it all together.

USC, Texas, and UGA have most consitantly won 10 games and been in the Top 10 at the end of the season since Richt came to Athens (02 Sugar Bowl?). FSU has been fighting to get back on top for the same period of time. Richt has another top recruiting class coming off another 10 win season.

If Richt can keep winning like Bobby did, it will only take time before they get the breaks to get a BCS title. Ask Bobby and his field goal kicker, it takes some luck to get it perfect. Keep remembering the glory days… Wide right or was that wide left?

Otto

March 11th, 2009
4:27 pm

Andrew, we lost by 3 just like you did.

Wake up ladies

March 11th, 2009
4:29 pm

Read the actual sanctions before you post stupid comments like FSU not being able to play in bowl games. Probation isn’t suspension it’s a period which the school will be under extreme scrutiny and subject to further sanctions should their be additional violations. If I’m a recruit I might be concerned at first, but it’s not like we are vacating any games they will be playing in or taking away their scholarship. As long as things stay in check we can and very well may play for a National Title in the next 2-3 years.

andrew

March 11th, 2009
4:31 pm

due to a late touchdown for yall! and by the way…it was very bad luck that we lost that game…and that was at tech, not in athens!

Ben

March 11th, 2009
4:36 pm

Your argument is hypothetical…. i.e. IF… BTW is your real name Otto? Or did you parents just not like you.

Huh?

March 11th, 2009
4:55 pm

Ben, I think my program is better because if any of Mark Richt’s top 10 teams over the years got ahold of your mediocre 8 win FSU teams they would slap them absolutely silly. THAT’S why I think my team is better. What is so hard about this to understand? All this crap about history, reputation, and prestige is nothing more than a red herring. You clowns are in a dreamworld. FSU is mediocre RIGHT NOW. Thanks for the history lesson but I could give a crap. It will do you no good on Saturdays this fall. Wake Forest apparently isn’t too impresses with your great history so why should anyone else be? Get a grip.

FSU is a has been washed up over the hill program. The fact that FSU fans put so much emphasis on the past only confirms this.

Otto

March 11th, 2009
4:58 pm

Ben FSU being back is hypothetical too. Otto is a screenname and was the mascot in place of UGA the season I went to my first UGA game. The ESPN ranking was most prestigous scored over decades and saying UGA is not in the same league as FSU is just not reasonable. As far as UGA accomplishing what FSU has both have 2 Heismans and 2 national titles with others that maybe disputed. Yes FSU achieved alot of success in a short period of time and had one of the greatest runs in CFB history. If you want to point to recent history UGA has had a better run than FSU since Richt.

Otto

March 11th, 2009
5:01 pm

Rich, how has the ACC been doing in BCS bowls?

Otto

March 11th, 2009
5:01 pm

Ben

March 11th, 2009
5:05 pm

Huh? You know “Huh?” is the reaction that everyone has to your posts because there are no facts… i.e. In my opinion or that’s why i think…You don’t have to tell me it’s you opinion, that’s redundant, if you are writing it I understand that’s it’s coming from your brain… The only time you need to state IMO is if you are some kind of Georgia penal experiment in which you brain is not speaking on your behalf,if this doesn’t make sense to you I understand…. Awesome logic, you must have been the captain of your 8th grade debate team….

SuperDAWG

March 11th, 2009
5:14 pm

hey ben go DAWGS.by the way uga#1 the original opened his first game against fsu in 1956. yes UGA won and fsu has not beat uga since.

Otto

March 11th, 2009
5:59 pm

SuperDawg what? the statement makes no sense.

Coz109

March 11th, 2009
6:19 pm

For those of you with the old Green Bay “G” argument: Green Bay introduced their G in 1961. UGA introduced a similar G, different in design and color, in 1964. Although it was clearly different, UGA still consulted with Green Bay and everything was cleared. In fact, the Green Bay “G” has been redesigned several times since 1961and now looks like the original 1964 UGA “G”.

Truth Hurts

March 11th, 2009
7:00 pm

Bobby has been looking hte other way for 40 years. He is a hypocrite who would do anything to win. FSU tried to cover this up, big time. The female swimmmer who took the whole punishment cried fowl, and they had to really look. FSU employees cheated for years- the school and the coaches have got to look at their own crooked program. Death penalty soon!

Buddy El

March 11th, 2009
7:26 pm

Huh: I demand that you run out and start apologizing to morons everywhere.

Buddy El

March 11th, 2009
7:54 pm

Ben: You obviously have diarhia mouth. This isn’t the BIG BABY BUTT BS BEN vent. You come across as a crack head. I remember very clearly that in FSU’s early football days there was a mad dash by all college football teams to schedule Free Shoes U for homecoming. You go Huh?

Buddy El

March 11th, 2009
7:55 pm

Enter your comments here

FSU

March 11th, 2009
9:26 pm

WE BEEN CHEATEN SINCE 1902.

PTC DAWG

March 11th, 2009
9:59 pm

Frankly, FSU is not on UGA’s radar. UF is the bear on the block…and FSU’s demise isn’t exactly helping UGA in this case.

Ben

March 11th, 2009
10:20 pm

Buddy El, what are you dyslectic????…El comes before Buddy… “BIG BABY BUTT BS BEN vent”… What? I am clearly baffled. Did you think the consecutive Bs sounded good? Uh….you got me, how long did it take you think of that one? Way to bring crack into it, i guess hanging out with you boys in Hotlanta finally caught up with me……It’s diarrhea and if you weren’t spending so some much of your time trying to figure out what to do with UGA’s balls you might learn how to spell… you “remember very clearly that in FSU’s early football days there was a mad dash by all college football teams to schedule FSU”… How old are you??? 100…. “Free Shoes U” your original, way to quote Steve Superior, I didn’t know he was so liked in GA…..

JustCallMeChamp

March 11th, 2009
10:42 pm

OK! OK! OK! UGA and FSU Fans!!! CALM DOWN! Wow, such animosity about who is this and who is that! To me, Georgia and FSU are very comparable programs. 1) they both play in BCS conferences with definite edge to UGA for playing in the top conference SEC year after year. 2) They both have outstanding facilities and stadiums. 3) They both recruit on a top national level, most of the time in top 10 4) they both have top coaching staffs 5) Both have loyal fan base following and tradition with edge going to UGA because they have a longer history 6) And last but not least, they both bow at the feet of the University of Florida mighty Gators. I call it pretty much a draw!

FSU

March 11th, 2009
10:56 pm

Ben now that you are wearing Feical Soiled Underwear because your seminoles have been exposed again you want to transgress.So go change your diaper.UGA has a better atheletic program than fsu in all sports you can check it out online uga.history.com.

tribeguy

March 11th, 2009
11:21 pm

“Bobby has been looking hte other way for 40 years. He is a hypocrite who would do anything to win. FSU tried to cover this up, big time.”

Any actual evidence? Facts?

Speaking of facts: Georgia beat FSU five times in the 50s. FSU beat UGA four times in the 60s. We tied 17-all in the ‘84 Citrus Bowl. Only game since was Dawgs win in the ‘02 Sugar Bowl.

Finally, do you blame Mark Richt — who I consider a classy guy — for all the trouble UGA players have gotten into in recent years? Then nobody can blame Bowden for not supervising tutors who answered to academics and not the athletics dept.

Ben

March 11th, 2009
11:21 pm

It’s fecal pal…. you have the intelligence of a gerbil. Way to pose as on FSU fan, FSU hasn’t been cheating since 1902 because their athletic program began in 1947, I know that’s beyond your math skills because you didn’t go to tech… I will be glad to change my diaper but let me wait until your mom gets back from the street corner, i am going to need her help. I will look up uga.history.com., when you learn how to spell athletic. Enjoy watching FSU in the NCAA tournament.

JustCallMeChamp

March 12th, 2009
12:29 am

(Man, they are so busy fighting, they didn’t even notice a Gator slip in there. Sounds like Congress).

FSU

March 12th, 2009
3:47 am

HEY ben fecal(thanks for disclosing your last name)fs did play football in 1903.Look up FSU-UF RIVALRY AND IT ALL BEGAN IN 1902.HEY GAYTUR I SMELLED YOU . YOU ALSO MAY BE INTERESTED IN FSU-UF RIVALRY CHECK IT OUT.

FSU

March 12th, 2009
3:52 am

P.S. small minds think alike. take care gaytur see you in Jax.

SuperDAWG

March 12th, 2009
3:57 am

knock-knock who’s there.FSU WANT TO BUY SOME SHOES

Ben

March 12th, 2009
8:58 am

Hey Buddy, I’m going to help you out when you put down the gators, it makes more sense to say Gayturd. It will go along with you fecal infatuation, it makes it more relevant when you say “i smelled you”…As far as FSU goes in 1902 it was known as Florida State College and yes they did play football until 1904. From 1905 to 1947 FSU did not have a football program unless a group of girls played touch near the Wescott Center. The real history begins in 1947 when the school became coed again, I don’t believe those games count…. Regardless of what you think of us, both programs have had the same number of Heismans, NCs, FSU has 3 more conference titles (and they have only been in a conference since 1992) and a lot more PROs. Both programs are very good but niether of us have an elite history, Good luck getting over the hurdle I don’t know if you have experienced winning an NC(unless you where born before 1980), I will tell it’s been twice now for me and it’s a great feeling.

SuperDAWG

March 12th, 2009
9:26 am

hey mr.fecal how many national championships do you think UGA has.Check your history before you answer.I will save you some time 5 footbaall nc’s.how many overall national titals does UGA have in all sports.get a calculator and answer that one.

Buddy El

March 12th, 2009
10:21 am

Leave it to Bennie Boy to know the precise spelling of diarrhea. Now if he/she/it can come up with the correct meaning of diarrhea mouth he/she/it will get the picture.

Real men(which you obviously know nothing about) spell their name anyway and in any order they like.

Buddy El

March 12th, 2009
10:29 am

Huh? Did you apologize to all the morons yet. Please don’t miss the biggest moron, Bennie the bedwetter.

Otto

March 12th, 2009
10:55 am

SuperDawg the university only claims 2

Ben

March 12th, 2009
11:22 am

Thank you Otto. I agree with most of what you say.

Ben

March 12th, 2009
11:27 am

Just a question. Why do UGA fans have such an obession with FSU not doing the right thing, when Georgia’s basketball program got the death penalty? Haven’t you guys been an probation for 6 yrs?

1987Nole

March 12th, 2009
11:47 am

From play I saw in 2008, UGA has bigger issues then FSU’s recent dealings with the NCAA (the same governing body that embarrassingly tried to remove “Seminoles” as the official school mascot despite a long relationship and official approval of the Florida Seminole Indian Tribe).

So UGA… what’s in store for 2009?

Gator Guy

March 12th, 2009
11:57 am

Ben- FSU likes to re-wright history. Ask them what year they were established. A few years ago, they decided to change it so now they are older than UF. It was so easy, they might decided that they are in fact the oldest university in the country. It would be just as much BS.

Unlike UGA (whose only issue with UF is that they can’t beat them in football), FSU has a MAJOR inferiority complex. They the lesser school academically and athletically and they know it.

What does does every UF and FSU student have in common? They all got into FSU!

Ben

March 12th, 2009
12:10 pm

Hey Gator Guy… So what. I am not refuting UFs place as a national power. Recently you guys have been the best. Congrats. What doesn’t UF and FSU have in common? A Rhode Scholar that plays football.

Otto

March 12th, 2009
1:57 pm

Ben thanks. I have no issue with FSU as a whole and have family in Tallahasee some have even worked for FSU. Also Bowden is a great guy as others have stated. I’ll take my shots at fans for either school who do not know what they’re talking about.

UGA Basketball… dunno don’t really care as long as they do not get the school in trouble (as they have in the past) I’m happy. As for most UGA fans not sure but FSU created enemies in the old conservative fans with the Neon Deon days. Dunno isn’t my opinion.

I was looking at LSU’s and Tenn.’s records against UF and they are not much better. Hats off to FSU they did better than anyone against UF until Urban rolled into town. Bowden more less owned Spurrier and Zook.

‘09 UGA? better team leadership and a more balanced offense that does not rely on the arm of a heavily hyped QB. Hopefully heathly OL and DLs. UGA has been short on those the past 2 seasons.

Ben

March 12th, 2009
2:39 pm

Deion was a character, Vince really wanted him but he told him Athens was too far north because it made his jerry curl freeze… Wish you luck, hope you get to go to more games this year.

Otto

March 12th, 2009
3:31 pm

Thanks and good luck to your Noles. It’d be great to meet up in a BCS bowl.

JC

March 12th, 2009
7:21 pm

Better to be a “has been”, then a “never was”. I guess there is always 1980. Or were you UGA posters even alive then? It was a laugher to see all the UGA fans so pumped for the ‘02 Sugar Bowl. You could sure tell they hadn’t sniffed a BCS bowl, by the attitudes of their redneck fans. I must admit, the Sugar Bowl win over a powerhouse Hawaii club, sure raked in the viewers. Many of you UGA fans just need to worry how to stop being UF’s bitch.

MarkRicht

March 13th, 2009
7:03 am

Hello Everyone, I am Mark Richt and I have stabbed my mentor in the back with lies and bullsh!t. That is who I am. I know that FSU will be able to play on TV the same amount and still go to bowls, but I’m fighting for my life up here in Athens. Never having really won anything important up here at UGA, I need to lie to recruits to hopefully one day win anything of importance here at UGA. Thanks and GO DAWGS!

SuperDAWG

March 13th, 2009
12:06 pm

Ben i’m sorry your hurting so much.please don’t cry you are giving fsu a bad reputation oh no you are just adding to it.time will heal everything except your idiotic approach to retaliation.GOOD LUCK.

Buddy El

March 14th, 2009
9:26 pm

Ben: “I didn’t know he was so liked”. We could write several volumes about things you didn’t/don’t know.

Buddy El

March 14th, 2009
9:31 pm

Ben had to shorten his name because he was having trouble spelling Benny. I know some people that don’t know anything but little Benny doesn’t even suspect anything.

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tina

May 26th, 2009
11:16 pm

Read the facts.. NONE of the football players that played in ANY games were involved- the “teachers” did not even work for Florida State University.. in addition, NO coaches were involved or aware of… ever. Why should all those innocent people who contributed to the wins be punished. It is such a travesty- the way it is reported is so inaccurate to the average reader. Like I said- publish the details.. and the FACTS!

KB

June 5th, 2009
11:27 am

Having grown up in GA, I have to say that DAWG and Gator fans are cut from the same cloth. Both very hard to take. Been in Florida for past 20 yrs and Nole fans are much less arrogant. Even during the 90’s FSU fans were never pompous jerks. Therefore, as a public service to all Nole fans. When a Georga fan starts in on the current probation or Free Shoes U just respond with 2 words ” JAN KEMP “. Any Dawg fan knows who this is. It may be a 25 yr old issue, but it is far worse than a ” Loose Cannon ” academic advisor or a young girl giving shoes to a couple of football players at the mall. This was an institutional violation at the deepest levels of the university.