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	<title>Comments on: Two bad trades cost Braves this season</title>
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		<title>By: Big Sack Dawg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/furman-bisher-blog/2009/10/03/two-bad-trades-cost-braves-this-season/comment-page-5/#comment-3081</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Sack Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: richbrave</title>
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		<dc:creator>richbrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on ya&#039; you old coot for realizing DIAZ&#039; true strength - his character. Every good team needs at least a handful of these types of players, and the BRAVES are lucky to have him in ATLANTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on ya&#8217; you old coot for realizing DIAZ&#8217; true strength &#8211; his character. Every good team needs at least a handful of these types of players, and the BRAVES are lucky to have him in ATLANTA.</p>
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		<title>By: T'ville Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>T'ville Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a bullseye shot if I ever heard one. By the way I met you in the parking garage under the Omni in around 1990 or so. I was the idiot who said to you, hey you look older in person than in your column. I remember being being shocked at meeting someone I had admired for so many years, you see I&#039;m 48 now.If you had not been there I may still be wandering around in the dark underneath the Omni. I guess maybe I never said thank you and I&#039;m kinda doing that now, for so much over your career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a bullseye shot if I ever heard one. By the way I met you in the parking garage under the Omni in around 1990 or so. I was the idiot who said to you, hey you look older in person than in your column. I remember being being shocked at meeting someone I had admired for so many years, you see I&#8217;m 48 now.If you had not been there I may still be wandering around in the dark underneath the Omni. I guess maybe I never said thank you and I&#8217;m kinda doing that now, for so much over your career.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also letting the fans run off Frenchie.  He hit 15 pts. higher that Jones and less errors.  Chip lead the league in errors at third this year.  he&#039;s a bum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also letting the fans run off Frenchie.  He hit 15 pts. higher that Jones and less errors.  Chip lead the league in errors at third this year.  he&#8217;s a bum!</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how does this fossil still have a job?</description>
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		<title>By: Kevrock/Smarty Jones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/furman-bisher-blog/2009/10/03/two-bad-trades-cost-braves-this-season/comment-page-5/#comment-2505</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevrock/Smarty Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Braves brass until Wren took charge...really has made only had two good trades and that was for McGriff &amp; Neagle.  Don&#039;t forget us trading Jermaine Dye for Michael Tucker...bad trade...Of course Wainwright...we will pay for years on that....Marquis is a push...BUT Teixeira trade will haunt us yet again for years...NOW if we had of signed TEX and gave him a no trade clause...which I WOULD have made a exception for him...then we would be in the playoffs as we speak....With again that trade for TEX WE HAD to re-sign him....we didn&#039;t and again we are out of the playoffs....I will have to say thus far Wren has made some solid trades and I didn&#039;t agree with them at first...so with that said...that&#039;s I am a blogger and not a scout or in the front office anywhere as a &#039;Traveling Secretary to the GM&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Braves brass until Wren took charge&#8230;really has made only had two good trades and that was for McGriff &amp; Neagle.  Don&#8217;t forget us trading Jermaine Dye for Michael Tucker&#8230;bad trade&#8230;Of course Wainwright&#8230;we will pay for years on that&#8230;.Marquis is a push&#8230;BUT Teixeira trade will haunt us yet again for years&#8230;NOW if we had of signed TEX and gave him a no trade clause&#8230;which I WOULD have made a exception for him&#8230;then we would be in the playoffs as we speak&#8230;.With again that trade for TEX WE HAD to re-sign him&#8230;.we didn&#8217;t and again we are out of the playoffs&#8230;.I will have to say thus far Wren has made some solid trades and I didn&#8217;t agree with them at first&#8230;so with that said&#8230;that&#8217;s I am a blogger and not a scout or in the front office anywhere as a &#8216;Traveling Secretary to the GM&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: timthebrave</title>
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		<dc:creator>timthebrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, If we only had pitching, a decent catcher, and a shortstop. Oh wait....None of those are reasons we aren&#039;t in the playoffs. We have great starting pitcher, an all star catcher and a really good shortstop. Those are not the reasons we didn&#039;t make the playoffs. Oh, thanks for rubbing our noses in trades from YEARS ago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, If we only had pitching, a decent catcher, and a shortstop. Oh wait&#8230;.None of those are reasons we aren&#8217;t in the playoffs. We have great starting pitcher, an all star catcher and a really good shortstop. Those are not the reasons we didn&#8217;t make the playoffs. Oh, thanks for rubbing our noses in trades from YEARS ago</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Braves have not won a playoff series since 2001 and haven&#039;t even made the playoffs since 2005.Since 2006 their collective record is a losing one(321-327).This situation is the definition of mediocrity and the reason Atlanta is  known  nationally as LOSERSVILLE.We have one WORLD SERIES RING in 44 seasons.The moves that the Braves have made over the last few seasons have been half-hearted and obligatory.This franchise is clearly one that doesn&#039;t have the desire or the ability to compete seriously on a winning level.One more point;tell me one other team in the MAJOR LEAGUES that has the same manager for the last eight years who has NOT won a playoff series.There isn&#039;t one team that I can find.And that&#039;s why Atlanta is known as LOSERSVILLE.(And we&#039;ve got Cox signed through next year).No other MAJOR LEAGUE franchise would tolerate such complete sorriness.Only Atlanta.Stop going to the games and stop watching them.Maybe then they&#039;ll do something to make us competitive....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Braves have not won a playoff series since 2001 and haven&#8217;t even made the playoffs since 2005.Since 2006 their collective record is a losing one(321-327).This situation is the definition of mediocrity and the reason Atlanta is  known  nationally as LOSERSVILLE.We have one WORLD SERIES RING in 44 seasons.The moves that the Braves have made over the last few seasons have been half-hearted and obligatory.This franchise is clearly one that doesn&#8217;t have the desire or the ability to compete seriously on a winning level.One more point;tell me one other team in the MAJOR LEAGUES that has the same manager for the last eight years who has NOT won a playoff series.There isn&#8217;t one team that I can find.And that&#8217;s why Atlanta is known as LOSERSVILLE.(And we&#8217;ve got Cox signed through next year).No other MAJOR LEAGUE franchise would tolerate such complete sorriness.Only Atlanta.Stop going to the games and stop watching them.Maybe then they&#8217;ll do something to make us competitive&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby Bowden Cox was the main reason that cost us the season, as will he next season. Keeping him around for one more nostalgic year is a big mistake. 2011 can&#039;t get here soon enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby Bowden Cox was the main reason that cost us the season, as will he next season. Keeping him around for one more nostalgic year is a big mistake. 2011 can&#8217;t get here soon enough.</p>
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		<title>By: stupup74</title>
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		<dc:creator>stupup74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can add the Gonzo for LaRoche trade to this list. If we had not traded LaRoche the Scott Thorman Error would have not happened. Then the braves would not have had to sell the farm for Tex.

All of you hating on Furman need to go read the &quot;farm system&quot; article again. He stated that all these trades for one year wonders is what caused the system to dry up. 

I hate to tell you folks something, but other than Freeman and Heyward, the farm system looks really bad, at least at AA. 

The trades themselves were not so bad. It is the fact that know we have NOTHING for them. Tex walked, Drew walked, Wainright won 20 games for the Cards (Marquis needed to go), Gonzo was a disappointment, and we had to pay Lowe 16 mil for a 4.50 ERA and double didgit losses.

So on top of NEVER being able to move Lowe&#039;s contract. The braves have no chips to trade (ie a Chipper replacement or a RH power bat). They had to trade the only other offensive catcher in the system (Tyler Flowers) for Javier Vasquez, who is the most likely to get dealt again. They had to sign KK and his 12 loses. (I have hope for him, guys from Japan do better in year 2 usually.)

There is no doubt the lack of talent to trade and/or money to spend hurt the braves this year. It also looks like it will hurt the club for years to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can add the Gonzo for LaRoche trade to this list. If we had not traded LaRoche the Scott Thorman Error would have not happened. Then the braves would not have had to sell the farm for Tex.</p>
<p>All of you hating on Furman need to go read the &#8220;farm system&#8221; article again. He stated that all these trades for one year wonders is what caused the system to dry up. </p>
<p>I hate to tell you folks something, but other than Freeman and Heyward, the farm system looks really bad, at least at AA. </p>
<p>The trades themselves were not so bad. It is the fact that know we have NOTHING for them. Tex walked, Drew walked, Wainright won 20 games for the Cards (Marquis needed to go), Gonzo was a disappointment, and we had to pay Lowe 16 mil for a 4.50 ERA and double didgit losses.</p>
<p>So on top of NEVER being able to move Lowe&#8217;s contract. The braves have no chips to trade (ie a Chipper replacement or a RH power bat). They had to trade the only other offensive catcher in the system (Tyler Flowers) for Javier Vasquez, who is the most likely to get dealt again. They had to sign KK and his 12 loses. (I have hope for him, guys from Japan do better in year 2 usually.)</p>
<p>There is no doubt the lack of talent to trade and/or money to spend hurt the braves this year. It also looks like it will hurt the club for years to come.</p>
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