Two bad trades cost Braves this season

If you’re trying to place blame on when the Braves blew their shot at making the playoffs, it wasn’t when Matt Diaz was caught off base trying to score against the Florida Marlins. That would have made the score only 5-5, and the game could still have been won.

And it wasn’t when Frank Wren was slow to pull the trigger on John Smoltz, leaving him to hook up with the Red Sox. Nor when Tom Glavine was turned down, in essence making way for Tommy Hanson in the pitching rotation. Au contraire, a stroke of glowing luck.

No, it goes way back longer than that. (And with this, I promise never to bring it up again.) It was when the Braves traded Adam Wainwright — as if he wasn’t enough — and Jason Marquis to the Cardinals for J.D. Drew, the nomadic outfielder. (Eli Marrero, the mysterious Latin also came along, but he created more dilemma than offense.)

And, of course, more recently the disastrous deal that robbed the farm system of five high-grade prospects to Texas for Mark Teixeira, the temporary first baseman. Five, mind you, starting pitcher, a catcher with long-range value, a shortstop now among the finest in the other league, Elvis Andrus, and maybe best of them all, the relief pitcher named Neftali Feliz.

They patched some of the holes, like signing Garret Anderson, the expression-less outfielder, then had to turn around and undo the deal that sent Adam LaRoche to the Pirates, by way of the Red Sox. LaRoche had been traded away in exchange for Mike Gonzalez, another of those one-inning bullpen wonders.

There’s nothing like what-might-have-been. Some of the best deals in baseball are those that are never made. It is quite likely that after all those 14 seasons of ringing up those banners over the left-field fence, that the Braves brass was beginning to pant for a return to glory. Their scouts had brought in some glistening prospects, only to have them squandered in disastrous trades. Nothing worse than the one that sent a pitcher developed under their noses here in the state, in Brunswick, also a tough out at-bat — Wainwright, who hits as well as he pitches. A 20-game winner for years down the road. Marquis, winner of 15 games at Denver — after being passed around to the Cubs and Cardinals — wasn’t popular with the brass. But waste a 15-game winner because he’s quirky?

Under Wren’s care, some good deals were made, and some not so good. He invested heavily in Kenshin Kawakami, the good-natured Japanese, who has since fallen from grace — into the bullpen. Derek Lowe cost even more, and true, he found a way to win 15 times, but his earned-run average outweighed his value, by a bunch. The Braves invested $60 million in him over the long haul. Just how much of this they can afford into future seasons is yet to be seen.

But, you will have to conclude that one major reason Bobby Cox decided to stick around another season is that he must have felt it a shame to leave with a gold-nugget pitching staff on hand. So there.

As for Matt Diaz, he’s a good card to have in your hand. Not only was he the Braves’ leading hitter, but he has never made a move that  he didn’t make with the idea that it might win the game. Yep, he does have a kind of unscripted swing, but you can believe this — he’ll be back, and the Braves will win with him.

218 comments Add your comment

Zerevon

October 4th, 2009
12:23 pm

Francoeur needs to come back to the Braves. Church is not better. Mr.personality Anderson should go, so should Mr.reliable pinch no-hitting sensation, you know who. We don’t need to bring Heyward back yet, he needs another season down there. If we can get a good hitting outfielder get rid of Lowe and his ridicules salary. Chipper should go to AL where he can play DH. He is done here, no fricking fire, he is slower then Roachey. Ther are too much to say bit what can you say for a team that just lost three in a row at home to the worst team in baseball?

FastBallFilth

October 4th, 2009
12:33 pm

I have always and will continue to regard you, Mr. Bisher, as pre-eminent in your field and perfect in ascertaining and communicating situations and events. Thank you. I’m in agreement with everything you extolled in this article and only want to add that the loss of Matt Harrison in the Texiera deal was devastating as well. Matt is an awesome individual and supremely talented pitcher. His career will continue to sparkle as it unfolds into a remarkable, long successful fashion. It was remarkable for me to get to know both Matt and Adam and their families during Spring Trainings provided by the Braves and equally as heartbreaking to have them traded away before their progression to the Majors and beginning steps of their fourishing careers. It has been my pleasure to have had several occasions to meet you in person, Mr. Bisher, and appreciate you using your influence and platform to promulgate the correctness of events. Your insight and incisive journalism is profound and marvelous!

KC

October 4th, 2009
12:38 pm

THIS IS THE LATEST IN A STRING OF NONSENSE FROM MR. BISHER.

I’m sure he’s a wonderful person, and I’m not trying to be cruel, but the simple fact of the matter is that he simply is not well enough informed to be writing about the Braves.

Not too long ago, we had his gem about the Braves talent on the farm having dried up… not long after multiple publications ranked the Braves farm system as the best in the NL.

Then he mentioned that maybe Chipper should be traded, but admitted he wasn’t sure if Chipper had a no-trade clause. Huh? First of all, the Braves have never offered ANY player a no-trade clause. But what makes his ignorance even worse is that… any journalist who feels he or she knows enough about baseball to write about it should understand the 10-5 rule. (If you’ve been in the league for 10 years, and have spent the last 5 years with your current team, you have veto power over any trade.) I’d be willing to bet that nearly everyone who frequents this blog understands that. Yet, Mr. Bisher, who writes about sports for the Atlanta Journal Constitution, wasn’t aware of the rule.

Which brings us to his most recent jewel of an editorial…

Bad trades cost the Braves a post-season berth? Really??? And which trades would those be?

According to Mr. Bisher, the fact that we traded away Chris Carpenter and Jason Marquis years ago cost us dearly this year. HOW???!!!! The Braves had the best starting rotation in baseball. How did parting with Chris Carpenter years ago, or Jason Marquis (who folded in the second half, BTW) injure the Braves post-season hopes this year when they led all of baseball in starters ERA??

And then he brought up the Mark Teixeira trade, and all that talent we gave up to get him.

But how exactly would the players we sent to Texas have made the difference here this year? Would we have been better off with Elvis Andrus at SS instead of Escobar??

Would we be in better shape if Salty were at 1B or behind the plate instead of Adam LaRoche or Brian McCann? I mean, how does he come to these conclusions???

Then he said the Braves “invested heavily in Kenshin Kawakami, the good-natured Japanese, who has since fallen from grace — into the bullpen.”

Fallen from grace? What?! In his last month as a starter (August), he posted an ERA of 2.87. His performance since May 1had been stellar. He was moved to the bullpen only because the Braves had a #1 start coming off the DL, and SOMEONE had to be moved to the ‘pen. As undeserving as he was to lose his place in the rotation, KK was the guy. But if you think KK had “fallen from grace”, you just have no idea what you’re talking about.

Does he get paid to write this stuff?? Again, I’m not trying to be insulting. I’m sure he’s a good guy. But I’ve never seen a less informed sports writer in my entire life.

KC

October 4th, 2009
12:40 pm

I meant Adam Wainwright, not Chris Carpenter.

Dorothy Davis

October 4th, 2009
12:44 pm

I keep hearing threats that Schafer will be back for Spring Training. Don’t the Braves want to be contenders next year? What is the “man crush” Bobby has on him? He can not hit and fielding is mediocre, so my question is: WHY? Please somebody, help the head office learn how to pick out talent from their farm teams!

Dan Meyer

October 4th, 2009
12:46 pm

I realized we gave up Salty and Andrus for Tex, but I had completely forgotten Neftali Feliz was a part of that as well.. This makes it sting even more. You can’t blame management for trading Wainwright or Marquis because they obviously weren’t the same pitchers than as they are now, but that Tex trade was stupid from the get go. Terrible, Terrible trade.

Bravissimo

October 4th, 2009
12:59 pm

Mr. Bisher… Ive always admired your work…so did my dad.
Arent you just amazed at all the wannabe sportswriters on here??

KC

October 4th, 2009
1:12 pm

To be clear, and to follow up my last post… if John Schuerholz, Frank Wren, or any Braves fan in the world could go back in time and rescind the Drew/Wainwright, and Mark Teixeira deals… would they?

ABSOLUTELY!!!

I can’t blame JS for the Drew/Wainwright trade. They needed the bat, Drew had a huge season here, and the odds of any pitching prospect turning into what Wainwright is today are VERY slim (and while he was highly thought of, it wasn’t like he was a Tommy-Hanson-like prospect).

On the Mark Teixeira trade, I think you can make arguments both ways. Did we give up a lot? YES! Absolutely. BUT… the centerpieces of that deal wery Salty and Andrus, who were both blocked here in ATL, and couldn’t have helped us anyway. Tyler Flowers was traded without a second thought this last winter for the same reason. He’s blocked.

But again, with the benefit of hindsight, if I could turn back time and keep those trades from happening, I would most definitely do it.

But the fact remains that neither the Drew/Wainwright nor the Tex trades had ANYTHING to do with missing the post-season this year.

You can thank Francoeur, Kelly Johnson, and Jordan Schafer for this disappointment. They choked the life out of this lineup for the first 2-3 months of the season, and cost us a lot of wins… the wins that eventually made the difference between October baseball and fishing.

And nobody we gave up in either of those deals would have prevented that from being the case. Could Andruws have played 2B for us? Probably. But we already had Prado. Having a great plan B wasn’t the problem. The problem is all the time you give a player to snap out of it before you finally have to give up on him.

The Braves elimination this year can be summed up in 3 words: Frenchy, Johnson, Schafer. It had NOTHING to do with bad trades.

bravofan

October 4th, 2009
1:14 pm

You are right on target Mr. Bisher, what kind of young hitting could we obtained if we traded the people in the Tex and Drew deal. People, go read the top 25 propects in major league baseball for this year and you will find that the Atlanta Braves once OWNED 5 of the players. The braves still own 2 of them but traded away the other 3, andrus, feliz and a third one. Now trade these people for a freeman and outfielders and build the minor league system back.

Shaneneeee Faneneeeeeee

October 4th, 2009
1:14 pm

The 90’s are over,so are the Braves.

bravofan

October 4th, 2009
1:15 pm

I hastly said major league prospects, it is minor league propects, no other team even had 2 in the top 25 but one.

jeffrey d

October 4th, 2009
1:16 pm

Our pitching was superb this season. It was the offense that was a problem.

So you’re saying with Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Elvis Andrus on the team, with nowhere to play mind you, we’d be in the postseason? Yeah okay.

KC

October 4th, 2009
1:27 pm

Bravissimo: “Mr. Bisher… Ive always admired your work…so did my dad.
Arent you just amazed at all the wannabe sportswriters on here??”

Aren’t you just amazed by the ill informed sportswriters who are wannabe GM’s??

Reid Adair

October 4th, 2009
2:10 pm

I am of the opinion that overpaying for Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami was a huge part of the problem. It left little money available to address obvious issues with the offense and left Frank Wren trying to convince everyone that Nate McLouth, Ryan Church, Garret Anderson, et al, would solve the problem.

Not surprisingly, he was wrong, And now, for 2010, I think Wren will manage to send two of the starting pitchers away (Hudson and Vazquez) … and he still won’t do anything to actually improve the offense.

ABravesFan

October 4th, 2009
2:54 pm

I still insist that you can’t fault the JD Drew trade because that continued the streak (who know whether we could have won without Drew…who was reasonably productive for that one season). As for the Teixeira trade, it does look worse and worse every day but some of it has to be how lucky (or good) that the Rangers got with everyone that they got (for all we know, Feliz’s good arm could have just gone the wayside as Veldez…the guy we traded to SF for Russ Ortiz).

ExBrave Fan

October 4th, 2009
3:36 pm

I have been saying this for a long time. I am glad that one of the writers has finally had a set too say it also. The BAD, HORRIBLE trades far out number the good ones. Five for basically nothing in the Mark T. trade. I hated the Wainwright deal when it was made. What did they get, fatso King? No, you can talk about how wonderful John S. was in trades, but really, in the long run, he was a TOTAL FAILURE in trades. His replace is basically not much better. Just look around the majors at the exBraves who are doing great for other teams. Wainwright has what, 19 wins. Even Jason has had decent years when used properly. Most teams over pitch him and he wears down. The signing of Kenshin Kawakami was worthless. Why sign an over the hill pitcher when you might as well use one of the younger pitchers in the system? But, then this is the Atlanta Braves. The same team that signed Jim Bouton, Denny McLain, Andy “I got a sore arm and am finished” Messersmith, etc. The Braves always bring in washed up, used up, pitchers. Like the 14 division titles, those are really worthless. ONE WS win. And all those other WS losses. All these long years. Braves, Falcons, Hawks, and ONE championship, just one. The rest has been worthless.

Hillbilly Deluxe

October 4th, 2009
3:52 pm

The J D Drew trade was over 5 years ago. Like the Len Barker deal, it just isn’t relevant to what’s going on today. And on the subject of J D Drew, he hit .305, drove in 93 runs, and scored 118 runs in 145 games that year. Not exactly like the man stunk up the joint.

Jeff R

October 4th, 2009
4:37 pm

As I recall, Wainwright was the Braves top pitching prospect. Even then, some of us who post regularly on DOB’s blog, objected to the trade. We thought packing off Wainwright was a mistake.

I write again: the Braves line up was loaded with offensive talent in 2004. The team needed to upgrade its pitching going into that season, not its offense. Drew’s numbers were good but not the difference.

tjhook

October 4th, 2009
5:06 pm

You should not waste our time with these simple blogs, Mr. Bisher. Give us a 2009 blog, not 2007. Your would’ve, should’ve rant is like complaining about a hat you brought three years ago that you rarely use. You got it, own it and look forward to making decisions that better reflect what you want in life.

Editor

October 4th, 2009
5:43 pm

Does the AJC edit these entries? It’s apparent Mr. Bisher feels a compelling need not only to highlight every non-white member of the team’s ethnicity (in the clunkiest, most borderline manner possible), but he also likes to add unnecessary descriptors such as “mysterious.” It’s not only odd, anachronistic, and uncultured, it’s just poor writing and stereotypical (of the old, provincial, undereducated country bumpkin), I realize Mr. Bisher is three generations removed, but not every Latino/ Hispanic (proper usage by the way) is shifty or mysterious. I am just curious if the AJC actually has a standards and practices editor. This would have been appropriate for 1963, but his era of veiled offensiveness had passed. I’m tired of reading his drivel. Oh, and his baseball knowledge could use some updating as well.

PN

October 4th, 2009
6:40 pm

I can never follow the purpose of your articles, and my engineering and medical degrees reassure me that it’s not me…it’s you. I don’t get it. What are you talking about? Trades happen. Good, bad, and washes. Everyone loved the Teixera trade at the time. Unfortunately, trades are not made with 5 years of foresight. Yes, it would be nice to have some of those pieces still, but honestly, where would Andrus or Salty be playing right now? Exactly, both would still be traded, whether for the one year rental Tex or some other player that you’d whine about. You’re going back 5 years to pull the Wainwright/JD Drew trade out of you arse? Give me a break, this Braves team would be EQUALLY out of the playoffs with Wainwright in the rotation. None of the players traded away would be starting on this team. Mike Gonzo is one of those “one-inning players”? Have you watched baseball since 1953? Par article for you Mr. Bisher.

Dick

October 4th, 2009
7:21 pm

Season started down hill when team left spring training with Horton on roster. Great persoan, but not professional leaguer. Season continued down hill when Cox kept starting Shaffer and also Francour day after day. Lowe is not worth his salary. Not sure Hudson will be back entirely as prior to injury. Also, noticed today Fredi Gonzalex is on hot seat. if this is true, Braveds need to bring him in now and allow him to take over for Cox. If Pendleton is named manager, you won’t ever see 500 baseball.

130on2

October 4th, 2009
7:27 pm

What Bisher is trying to point out is that we got nothing for our players which management should have known (and probably did). If they had been judiciously kept or traded we would have had plenty of money and talent to trade for the big bats that we need. If we had kept Wainwright we would not have signed Lowe most likely. Certainly one of the pitchers. That would have freed up salary cap.

As for most (all???) of you Bisher bashers, you wouldn’t recognize a valid point if it hit you in the side of the head with a 2×4.

Joe

October 4th, 2009
7:28 pm

2010 Lineup
+++++++++

Adam LaRoche – 1B
Martin Prado – 2B
Chipper Jones – 3B
Yunel Escobar – SS
Josh Willingham – RF
Nate McLouth – CF
Jermaine Dye – LF
McCann – C

Starting Pitching Rotation:

(Ace) Javier Vazquez, Jair Jurrjens, Tommy Hanson, Derek Lowe, Ben Sheets (If he’s healthy)

Trade Kenshin Kawakami, Mike Gonzalez & Manny Acosta.

Do not re-sign: Kelly Johnson, Garret Anderson, Ryan Church & Greg Norton,

(trade Church, Jones, Lowe, Johnson, Kawakami, Norton, Carlyle, Soriano, etc*)

JJ, Vasquez, Hanson, Hudson

CallUpConrad

October 4th, 2009
8:08 pm

howie

October 4th, 2009
8:08 pm

I think it was a bigger mistake to let Drew and Tnot t

CallUpConrad

October 4th, 2009
8:09 pm

JOe, I don’t see Atlanta being able to trade Soriano or Gonzalez.

howie

October 4th, 2009
8:11 pm

If we would have keep Drew and Teixteria they would have gotten us into the playoffs this year.

It makes no sense to trade prospects away and then let the player you traded for walk away. It costs money that the Braves are not willing to spend but that is not the point.

STOKY

October 4th, 2009
8:31 pm

More chicks hit on Janet Reno than attended the last few Braves games. GO PHILLIES

mark

October 4th, 2009
9:02 pm

You can’t win on every trade. You make a bunch of trades and you are going to win and lose.
That’s why I say Trade McLouth, Escobar, and Vasquez for prospects that will help in a few years, when the Braves can really make a run at it.

Zach

October 4th, 2009
9:14 pm

If I wrote this article I would want it not to be one in which people could comment on, because this is quite possibly the worst article I have read from the ajc. I wonder if Bisher talks at all with any of his ajc colleagues because I think ALL OF THEM WOULD DISAGREE.

Mr. Bisher, your article was so bad that I didn’t read the whole thing. Did you watch a game this year? And did you see the trades and signing Wren made just to give us a shot.

Terrible terrible article.

jason

October 4th, 2009
9:16 pm

Kind of funny how when Bisher brought this up the first time all hell broke loose. He caught alot of flack. I agreed with him the first time and do now. You cannot pretend to be the Yankees when you don’t have Yankee money to throw around. Forget Marquis. That JD Drew trade was the one that hurt. That one hurt more than the Tex trade. Wainright was what Hanson is and should have never been traded. Hard to belive that trade was made when you consider that ATL has been built around pitching for the past 20 years. Everyone knew Drew as well as Tex was gonna be chasing $$$. Even the Braves braintrust had to know we had not a chance in HELL in resiging those 2 players. How much is it worth to lose your future chasing a fainting chance at not a WS birth, but rather a spot in the playoffs?

Danno

October 4th, 2009
9:17 pm

Enter your comments here Whats up with benching Diaz? I can think of 4 games that he could have pintch hit in with better results than Norton or Ross…More Bobby Ball gone bad

siskel_god

October 4th, 2009
9:23 pm

Just curious why the JD Drew trade is being brought up as bad? Any deal made during 14 straight division titles should not be questioned because it is very obvious that the front office knew what they where doing.

AdirondackDave

October 4th, 2009
9:26 pm

Furman — You missed one of the biggest potential negative deals, extending my all-time favorite Brave Chipper. Unless he comes back big-time, which seems unlikely, and unless they get very creative with his contract, or unless he actually retires, they are burdened for 3 years with a player taking up a valuable roster spot and how many millions, I forget.

However, all clubs make good deals and bad deals. Seems to me Frank Wren has done a good job in his short tenure. (I “credit” JS with the Teixeira deal.) If he can do with the offense what he did with pitching, and I expect him to try, I’ll give him straight AAAAs.

AdirondackDave

October 4th, 2009
9:30 pm

Joe — How do you trade free agents Gonzalez and Soriano?

ms. shirley

October 4th, 2009
10:09 pm

Mr. Bisher,
I think this is the 3rd or 4th article you’ve written about the “bad” trades the Braves have made. Please find a fresh topic. Especially a topic that matters and is relevant to the present Braves. (like the fact that Bobby Cox needs to retire now and not next year; Bobby Cox continually gets a pass from the news media in this city.) And oh yeah, maybe a topic that you know what the freak your talking about. AJC – time to bring in some fresh writing talent or did you make “bad” trades like Bisher indicates the Braves did.

Agree!

October 4th, 2009
10:17 pm

Furman,
You are absolutely spot-on! Naysayers can raise all kinds of other issues, but the loss of talent for those 2 players who are all about ME and care nothing for the team was unforgiveable. Those trades by far outweighed the good ones over the years. Hopefully, Wren will continue as he did this year and failed to pull the trigger on some disasters. As you say some of the best trades are the ones not made.

Please do not dump salary by giving up Vazquez.

Wayne

October 4th, 2009
11:11 pm

Enter your comments here
Escobar leads off with a single–do we bunt him into scoring position as the situation calls for–no we go for the ground ball double play. Great move cox-a little leaguer could have made the call. RETIRE NOW-don’t make us suffer through another year of brain dead decisions.

Mr. Enigma

October 4th, 2009
11:11 pm

Out of the 14 straight playoff seasons, the 2004 team was absolutely the worst Braves squad of them all that John Schuerholz trotted out. The Braves would have never won that year if not for the J.D. Drew trade. Drew was, without question, the team’s co-MVP with Johnny Estrada (still can’t believe I’m typing that; only Barry Bonds had a higher average that season with RISP than Estrada) as Chipper Jones was having a rough year with the bat (.248 despite 30 homers and 96 RBIs) and that was the season he started to become a target of the injury bug. Andruw’s bat was still slightly above average (.268/29 HR/91 RBIs, just a season away from 51 homers in 2005 and 41 in 2006. Drew had the first injury-free season of his career, hitting .305 with 31 homers and 93 RBIs. He even stole 12 bases. The most he’s stolen in a season since was 4 in 2007 and 2008 with the Red Sox.

Also, I remember Eli Marrero being a Matt Diaz-esque player of 2004. Marrero hit .320 for the Braves and was awesome. I remember the first time Marrero came back to Turner Field in another uniform, he got a standing ovation at the plate that even he couldn’t ignore. He had to step back and tip his helmet.

Yes, giving up Adam Wainwright hurts now. Jason Marquis was expendable. But that unbelievable division title streak would have ended at 12 instead of 14 if that trade wasn’t made. And with Jair Jurrjens and Tommy Hanson, two more years of Javier Vazquez and Kenshin Kawakami, the Braves have a rotation I won’t have to worry about again until after 2011, despite Derek Lowe’s 3 remaining seasons.

Rick

October 4th, 2009
11:51 pm

Why is it that wnenever a player and it does not matter whom he is, is traded or dealt to another team he always winds up doing better with his new team than the Braves. I just don’t understand why that old grump Cox thinks more of himself rather than the team. If he cared anything at all for the team he would have quit years ago. Cox without a doubt is the most absolutely worse manager in the major leauges. I still say an empty paper bag could outmanage Cox.

moboman

October 5th, 2009
12:43 am

Dont disrespect Furman. Why does anyone think its a good idea to give up the farm, or do any major trade unless you FIRST get a signed extension from the “star” you are bringing in. I have never understood that. Anyone remember the Danny Manning trade for Nique? Makes no sense to trade for someone who isnt under contract to you for a reasonable amount of time. What are you trading for – the hope he may sign later??? There’s no guarantee of that. Its just bad business no matter how you look at it. Thats what Bisher was saying, and he’s absolutely right. No matter what the guys you gave away are or arent doing with their new teams, you are giving away something with long term potential for short term gratification and no promise of anything longer. How does that ever make sense?

Mike M

October 5th, 2009
2:36 am

Enter your comments here Everyone’s afraid of the BIG problem. Chipper Tanked. If he had a normal Chipper year we are in the playoffs and Jujens is a 20 game winner. He’s been playing wounded for five years. Encourage him to retire, make him a coach and a candidate to succeed Bobby and free up his $12M or so for a power hitter.We are one thumper away from pushing the Phillies aside.

hey Bisher say bye to cox

October 5th, 2009
2:55 am

what more worse losin all four to the Nats who lost 103 Games should been 55-107 intead we gave them a 4 games in typical Bobby cox mode….chipper swings like a rusted shovel Must been hurt when found that dead illegal alien on his ranch in Texas.also his playin of Kelly johnson he played with no pride just sulks like chipper do after watchin TP hittin coach films.then there Bobby Ph with Morton a real loser (so he had 2 hits at time) where hell was he all season watchin corn grow!Its 2011 folks hold u season tickets renewal till we hire Lou Pinella he be fired from cubs soon anyway!

Kevin

October 5th, 2009
2:58 am

Make chipper a coach he not even Hall of fame anythin…he more like Hall of laughs…if he can’t cuss out some people n be a leader no way he could not coach a little league Game!

clint ellison

October 5th, 2009
6:47 am

Great column, Furman. After reading comments from readers, however, it becomes apparent that Braves fans are a truly clueless bunch. I apologize for their collective ignorance. Trading Wainwright was so stupid that there should have been a house-cleaning of Braves management the next day. Giving up Feliz was criminal. I’m sorry, Mr Bisher, that your wisdom is so wasted on Atlanta “fans”.

stoky

October 5th, 2009
7:01 am

Kevin… SAY WHAT? Have you ever considered reading instead of writing? DO IT

Jack

October 5th, 2009
7:04 am

What took so long for the media to finally write this. Not the first of bad trades. Jermaine Dye for Michael Tucker and Keith Lockart. The Ybar and Baez trade. Yes we did not need the pitching this year but we also wouldn’t mortage the ranch is we had Harrison from Texas and Wainwright. Maybe then we sign Tex. Deal the prospects for a guy we can keep. Just a poor business move by an overrated GM in Schuerholz.

Bank Walker, Texas Ranger

October 5th, 2009
7:43 am

Furman, I’m not sure if this season was lost on these trades or not, I lean more to Bobby’s sticking with Johnson and Schafer so long and his love affair with Norton and Chipper at the top of the order when he is struggling. I do agree that these really hurt. People you can try and justify these trades all you want.. Bottom line, I wouldn’t trade Wainewright for Drew straight up even if Drew were long term. And I wouldn’t trade Elvis or Neftali for Tex straight up. And the argument that Elvis couldn’t beat out Escobar is lame. Elvis is a much better SS with much more range and if you didn’t notice we sucked at second even with Prado. Prado is not a second baseman. Also, Chipper was out a 1/3 of the season and is not going to be around much more. Yeah I think we could have used Elvis.

willie

October 5th, 2009
9:06 am

Agree with Harpie….If had ponied up the cash for Tex, we would be one of the favorites to win it all. Gotta pay to play or hope you get lucky.