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	<title>Comments on: After he left Atlanta the first time, Torre &#8220;grew up&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Torre and Hank Aaron &#171; Chamblee54</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Torre and Hank Aaron &#171; Chamblee54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bisher has a piece at the fishwrapper site about Joe Torre. The punch line is that Mr. Torre &#8220;grew up&#8221; when the Braves traded him [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pig N' Whistle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pig N' Whistle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember all the taxi cabs with the Sans Souci Nightclub ad on the roof ?</description>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JIM MINTER RETIRED ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION EDITOR Published: July 13, 2009
“Many years ago, when big-city newspapers were still real newspapers, there was assembled in The Atlanta Journal sports department a Band of Brothers arguably unequaled in talent and dedication in all of journalism.
Included were John Logue, later to become a founding editor of Southern Living Magazine and a prolific writer of fiction; Terry Kay, the hugely successful author whose books have been made into movies; Lee Walburn, national award-winning magazine editor and columnist; Gregory Favre, editor of major newspapers from Florida to California; Furman Bisher, one of the best and most durable of a small handful of truly great newspaper columnists to emerge in the 20th century; and for a brief and shining moment, Lewis Grizzard.”

Enough about Furman&#039;s ability, has there ever been a tougher editor than Jim Minter.  

Finally, just coming up with the word &quot;gendarmes&quot; @ 90 years young, I got an vocabulary lesson, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JIM MINTER RETIRED ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION EDITOR Published: July 13, 2009<br />
“Many years ago, when big-city newspapers were still real newspapers, there was assembled in The Atlanta Journal sports department a Band of Brothers arguably unequaled in talent and dedication in all of journalism.<br />
Included were John Logue, later to become a founding editor of Southern Living Magazine and a prolific writer of fiction; Terry Kay, the hugely successful author whose books have been made into movies; Lee Walburn, national award-winning magazine editor and columnist; Gregory Favre, editor of major newspapers from Florida to California; Furman Bisher, one of the best and most durable of a small handful of truly great newspaper columnists to emerge in the 20th century; and for a brief and shining moment, Lewis Grizzard.”</p>
<p>Enough about Furman&#8217;s ability, has there ever been a tougher editor than Jim Minter.  </p>
<p>Finally, just coming up with the word &#8220;gendarmes&#8221; @ 90 years young, I got an vocabulary lesson, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody Woodward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll never forget a milk commercial that Torre made in &#039;67 or &#039;68. He was hawking the wholesome beverage looking at the camera with circles under his eyes the color of my wife&#039;s mascara. As a young eight year old lad of Italian decent, I thought it was a matter of the genes. Now I know better.

That said, Torre was my favorite player in those days (Rico Carty was a close second) and was sad as a boy could be when the Braves traded him.

I wish that Furman Bisher had not been so cryptic with this article. What really went on with Torre in those years? I&#039;m not one for the tell-all public confessional, but if you&#039;re not going to tell the whole story, don&#039;t start it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll never forget a milk commercial that Torre made in &#8216;67 or &#8216;68. He was hawking the wholesome beverage looking at the camera with circles under his eyes the color of my wife&#8217;s mascara. As a young eight year old lad of Italian decent, I thought it was a matter of the genes. Now I know better.</p>
<p>That said, Torre was my favorite player in those days (Rico Carty was a close second) and was sad as a boy could be when the Braves traded him.</p>
<p>I wish that Furman Bisher had not been so cryptic with this article. What really went on with Torre in those years? I&#8217;m not one for the tell-all public confessional, but if you&#8217;re not going to tell the whole story, don&#8217;t start it.</p>
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		<title>By: cliff grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>cliff grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torre was a neighbor at the Georgetown of Atlanta Apartments, THE complex to live in back in the day.
He was friendly and funny.  His wife made as many headlines as he did with her DUIs. Torre was enormously quotable.   Toward the end of a lousy season, he was asked to comment on it.  &quot;I&#039;d say we started slow and tapered off.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torre was a neighbor at the Georgetown of Atlanta Apartments, THE complex to live in back in the day.<br />
He was friendly and funny.  His wife made as many headlines as he did with her DUIs. Torre was enormously quotable.   Toward the end of a lousy season, he was asked to comment on it.  &#8220;I&#8217;d say we started slow and tapered off.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Paffrath Teaser &#124; Betting Baseball CC: LA Angels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Paffrath Teaser &#124; Betting Baseball CC: LA Angels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After he left Atlanta the first time, Torre &#8220;grew up&#8221; Joe Torre and the Dodgers were merely passing through our town, and Joe was not happy at all. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hillbilly Deluxe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillbilly Deluxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the ballpark (Fulton County Stadium or Atlanta Stadium as we called it then) on a Saturday afternoon, Torre first year as a Cardinal. Seems like he didn&#039;t play the night before. First time he came to the plate, he got booed big time and wound up homering and hitting a double in the game I think. Bob Gibson was on the hill and tagged out Aaron in a rundown when he tried to steal 2nd base. Don&#039;t remember who was pitching for the Braves that day. There was a rain delay in the game and I wound up bumping into Bob Didier&#039;s grandmother and talking to her a few minutes. Real nice lady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the ballpark (Fulton County Stadium or Atlanta Stadium as we called it then) on a Saturday afternoon, Torre first year as a Cardinal. Seems like he didn&#8217;t play the night before. First time he came to the plate, he got booed big time and wound up homering and hitting a double in the game I think. Bob Gibson was on the hill and tagged out Aaron in a rundown when he tried to steal 2nd base. Don&#8217;t remember who was pitching for the Braves that day. There was a rain delay in the game and I wound up bumping into Bob Didier&#8217;s grandmother and talking to her a few minutes. Real nice lady.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring back stirrups. These pants look like the local softball league.</description>
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		<title>By: shankit</title>
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		<dc:creator>shankit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting story about Aaron and Torre.
When did they move the left field fence in to allow Aaaron
to catch The Babe.  I recall they moved it in about 15 feet.
How many more At Bats did Aaron have than The Babe, 
I think it was in the thousands.
I think The Babe had about 25% of his AB&#039;s as Base of Balls.
Wished he had had more AB&#039;s and less intentional BoB&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting story about Aaron and Torre.<br />
When did they move the left field fence in to allow Aaaron<br />
to catch The Babe.  I recall they moved it in about 15 feet.<br />
How many more At Bats did Aaron have than The Babe,<br />
I think it was in the thousands.<br />
I think The Babe had about 25% of his AB&#8217;s as Base of Balls.<br />
Wished he had had more AB&#8217;s and less intentional BoB&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil34</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cecil34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason that Torre was traded is because on the team&#039;s charter flight back to Atlanta back in 68, a drunken Torre got into a fistfight with Aaron. Aaron popped off to Torre, and thus the fight was on, broken up by the other players. 

Since Aaron was the face of the franchise at the time, Torre was traded.

There had been bad blood between them for years before this incident anyway. Reasons vary. 

But the final nail in the coffin was this fistfight. I was told Torre could pack a punch and Aaron came out on the worse end of it.

Paul Richards of course was furious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason that Torre was traded is because on the team&#8217;s charter flight back to Atlanta back in 68, a drunken Torre got into a fistfight with Aaron. Aaron popped off to Torre, and thus the fight was on, broken up by the other players. </p>
<p>Since Aaron was the face of the franchise at the time, Torre was traded.</p>
<p>There had been bad blood between them for years before this incident anyway. Reasons vary. </p>
<p>But the final nail in the coffin was this fistfight. I was told Torre could pack a punch and Aaron came out on the worse end of it.</p>
<p>Paul Richards of course was furious.</p>
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