Southern Baptists’ struggle over immigration

WASHINGTON — As a guide for law or legislation, the Southern Baptists’ new resolution on illegal immigrants is virtually useless. It’s vague, confusing and perhaps inherently contradictory. It wouldn’t help Congress pick its way through the political thickets associated with addressing the plight of the undocumented.

Nevertheless, the Baptists have done something very useful: They have established a moral marker for their congregants, some of whom are governors, state legislators and members of Congress. Since so many conservatives in public life like to point to their religious views as a guide for their political acts, the resolution ought to have a substantial influence on immigration debates.

Last week at its annual meeting, the Southern Baptist Convention called for “a just and compassionate path to legal status” for the nation’s estimated 11 million undocumented workers. The “messengers,” as the convention delegates are called, also denounced bigotry and harassment toward those who are here illegally.

The resolution was hotly debated, and it carries no imprimatur   of authority for the millions of Southern Baptists across the country, whose churches take pride in their autonomy. They have no hierarchy — no pope or bishop to enforce adherence to church doctrine.

Furthermore, the clause in the resolution that dealt with legalization barely survived, with just 51 percent of the messengers supporting it in an early vote, according to the Baptist Press.

The delegates later added an amendment which noted that the Baptists were in no way endorsing “amnesty,” a hot-button term without any precise meaning.

Still, the Southern Baptists, the nation’s largest Protestant group and one of the most conservative religious bodies in the country, managed to end up sounding a lot more like President Barack Obama than, say, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley, who recently signed a vicious anti-immigrant law that harkens back to the days of Jim Crow. As the vote proceeded, Southern Baptist seminarian Russell Moore tweeted: “Our response to the immigrant communities in this country cannot be ‘You kids get off my lawn’ in Spanish.”

The Rev. Bryant Wright, a suburban Atlanta pastor and president of the SBC, told me that the focus of the resolution was on “sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with the folks who have come in to the U.S.” He acknowledged, however, that the evangelical mission of Southern Baptist churches could collide with harsh new laws aimed at illegal immigrants.

“I realize that once you start to reach out and deal with those folks’ personal stories, some interesting situations are going to develop. Those are going to be issues that every church ministering to immigrants is going to have to decide,” he said.

Phoenix, where the SBC held its convention, served as the backdrop for the debate, but Arizona is having to share its anti-immigrant notoriety. The Bible Belt — traditional home of Southern Baptists — has also seen a wave of codes and sanctions meant to force illegal immigrants to leave.

Georgia, for example, is struggling with a severe shortage of agricultural workers that many farmers are attributing to a law that Republican Gov. Nathan Deal signed in May. Even former Gov. Sonny Perdue, Deal’s Republican predecessor, said the law has created “a real fear and perception that Georgia is probably not a state to be seen in if you’re of a different color.”

But Alabama, my home state, has gone much farther than Arizona or Georgia, passing the broadest and ugliest anti-immigration law in the land. It not only gives law enforcement officials the authority to determine legal status, but it also demands that schools determine whether students have legal documents. (That’s just foolish time-wasting, since the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that public schools must educate minors, whether they are here legally or not.)

It would penalize property owners if they rent to persons without legal documents. It also makes it a crime to harbor or transport an illegal immigrant.

That raises the prospect that a faithful church member could be arrested for giving children without papers a ride to Sunday school. Is that what Alabama’s governor, a longtime deacon in a Tuscaloosa, Ala. Baptist church, had in mind?

146 comments Add your comment

reebok

June 22nd, 2011
7:26 am

both old testament law and the new testament teachings of Jesus make it abundantly clear that society should minister to the aliens and strangers among us, not punish or reject them.

B Cosby

June 22nd, 2011
7:31 am

One word-Illegal!!!

Joe The Plumber Too

June 22nd, 2011
7:36 am

We should make sure we give a Bible as we dump their butts back across the border.

Jack

June 22nd, 2011
7:37 am

All expenses related to harboring illegal immigrants should be the responsibility of religious groups.

Road Scholar

June 22nd, 2011
7:37 am

Why can’t we minister them after we know who they are?

J. Wellington Wimpy

June 22nd, 2011
7:54 am

Southern Baptist seminarian Russell Moore tweeted: “Our response to the immigrant communities in this country cannot be ‘You kids get off my lawn’ in Spanish.”

Classic!! :lol:

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2011
7:55 am

“a just and compassionate path to legal status”

There already is one. It’s the one that many many immigrants have taken over the years. Why do we need short cuts?

Jezz A. Bell - The Phoencian SinSation

June 22nd, 2011
7:56 am

It would penalize property owners if they rent to persons without legal documents. It also makes it a crime to harbor or transport an illegal immigrant.

Honestly, with the real estate market the way it is, and people who can’t sell their homes trying to rent them out, I don’t see that law lasting for too long. Money, (green power); always trumps ideaology (white, brown, or black power).

quod erat demonstrandum

June 22nd, 2011
8:14 am

If you invite a person into your house who is down and out, looking for some help, needs a job or is looking for a better life – that is fine. No problem. I comment you.

But, if that same person enters your home, uninvited – then what do you do?

While, I agree that churches and other charitable organizations should help those who need help, it is not the place of the government to provide for them.

Somehow we have gotten it into our heads that the government should be the source of charitable funds.

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2011
8:28 am

Southern Baptists are clear in their belief in the literal truth of The New Testament. The New Testament clearly says we should obey the laws of the land. Illegals start to break the laws of America the second they cross the border and keep breaking those laws for as long as they are here. Looks like political and financial interests have finally convinced the Baptists to “re-interpret” their Biblical views. In other words, pure hypocrisy.

Corey

June 22nd, 2011
8:32 am

After the Civil War ended and slavery became outlawed the former slave states found themselves struggling with the “black problem”- too many newly freed slaves without work and farmers with no means to hire and pay them. Many of these states adopted “Black Codes” which virtually criminalized unemployed, loitering blacks. This lead to the chain gang system. Fast forward. An economic meltdown has ushered in a new target-illegal immigrants. Now these former slave states are once again cooking up “Latino Codes” to address the problems of illegal immigration. When will the south divorce it’s legacy of xenophobia and white supremacy?

Chris Matthews

June 22nd, 2011
8:33 am

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s! Love the sinner but hate the sin. These illegals are lawbreakers and must be treated for what they are! All must go the already legal path to citizenship!!

Labotomy

June 22nd, 2011
8:36 am

I think the problem is not enough Americans know how to speak Spanish. We should all learn the language so we can make sure they understand us when we tell them to go home. You see, we’ve been talking to them in English and they don’t know our language.

Second point…isn’t it ironic that those who pay the least in taxes want them to stay here the most.

williebkind

June 22nd, 2011
8:39 am

CT! Where is the separation of church and state? Really, progressive liberals came up with that misnomer, did they not? So all of sudden you find someone in a religious environment that follows your ideology and it is the right thing to do? Ha! I say let the illegals in and then the progressive liberals in exchange will give up their control of public schools.

jconservative

June 22nd, 2011
8:40 am

Nice piece of writing Cynthia. You have a nice handle on the issue. This should fuel a solid debate.

The SBC is simply acknowledging that its decades long fight for “life” is more complicated than maybe it first envisioned. Pro life is pro life. Unless one believes that the right to life ends at birth.
Some do, most do not. At least I want to think that most do not.

I was surprised that this resolution passed. As a pro life supporter I give the SBC a pat on the back.

The solution to immigration is not arresting the driver of the church bus for hauling two illegal immigrant ladies to Sunday services or Wednesday prayer meeting as the Alabama law demands.

The solution is the Ronald Reagan model, his Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. While it did grant amnesty to millions of illegals, it did solve the problem for a few decades.

The big problem is the word “amnesty”. That is the center of the debate. That has to be resolved.

My recommendation is that we use the Reagan model.

Jezz A. Bell - The Phoencian SinSation

June 22nd, 2011
8:40 am

When will the south divorce it’s legacy of xenophobia and white supremacy?

Never…………if they did that, they wouldn’t be Southern.

Stonethrower

June 22nd, 2011
8:40 am

“Mr., I’m hungry, thirsty and homeless”! Well, God bless you.

Hankie Aron

June 22nd, 2011
8:42 am

Corey—White supremacy? The capitol of our state Atlanta’s mayor is BLACK. Please explain

Curious One

June 22nd, 2011
8:42 am

The good Baptist Messengers need a good moral and Biblical Compass – I fear they have lost their way back home from Phoenix ! 51% majority ? Nothing will become of this “heat of phoenix” call.

are there no prisons, are there no workhouses?

June 22nd, 2011
8:43 am

Enter your comments here

Terrell

June 22nd, 2011
8:43 am

carlosgvv

The New Testament does say obey the laws of the land (Romans 13:1-7), but that is only when it doesn’t contradict God (Acts 5:27-29). I’m not saying the the immigration law is wrong because there is a due process that must take place to get in this country, but don’t quote the Bible and then make a mockery of it.

Hankie Aron

June 22nd, 2011
8:43 am

Your remarks strike me as racist

Harold J. Boxwood

June 22nd, 2011
8:45 am

Harsh and ugly sanctions? Come on! Ga., Al. and Arizona are simply saying let’s enforce our laws regarding illegal acts. Some folks can’t seem to see the forest for the trees.

williebkind

June 22nd, 2011
8:47 am

Corey

June 22nd, 2011
8:32 am
You line of thought is flawed! There is a difference between freed slaves and their offspring, which the 14th ammendment corrected, and illegal immigrants. Pull of the progressive liberal veil and you can see more clearly. As for white supremacy, the north had more to bring in slaves than the south. The north had to convince the southerners blacks were less of a person in order to sell them to the plantation owners. Most people in the south were poor and not slave owners. It was a kind of indoctination of human value. Sort of like our education system is today. But a good try to rewrite the history of the southern people.

markie mark

June 22nd, 2011
8:48 am

Jconservative…..I believe the Reagan model is what got us here today; I believe it encouraged people to break the law and enter the country illegally in the hopes this would happen again, and immigrants would be granted permanent status without going thru the process. Wrong then, wrong now.

Arrchie Bunker

June 22nd, 2011
8:48 am

I AM NOT SAYING DONT CLOSE THE BORDERS. I AM SAYING STOP THE IGNORANCE & HATE.

Read this whos to blame for our economy, its NOT the POOR MIGRANTS.

300 BILLION$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ are not paid in taxes by USA CITIZENS, WHO CHEAT ON THEIR TAXES THAT’s A TRILLION$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ EVERY 3.3YEARS.
DONT BLAME THE POOR, STOP CHEATING AND OUR NATION IS OK. :) :)

What the hell happened??? Lets BLAME THE FOOD PICKING, , DISH WASHING, LAWN MOWING UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS. YEAHHHHHH

Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrants.

UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT CRIMINALS. Its a Civil Matter.

The whole thing is perplexing to people who don’t understand that being an illegal immigrant in and of itself is not a crime. The most pervasive comments made in news stories about Secure Communities go a little like this: “Illegal immigrants are what they’re called — they’re considered criminals by mere definition. Illegals who broke a bunch of laws to enter and live here should be subjected to immediate arrest and deportation — that’s fair for everyone.”

That’s not accurate, but a lot of people have that same misunderstanding — even law enforcement professionals.

During a teleconference last month on the troubles that Secure Communities is bringing to local law enforcement agencies, a few sheriffs on the call commiserated about their misunderstanding of immigration violations.

“I was always told it was a felony federal violation of law and was always under the impression that turning over any illegal immigrants (to ICE) was mandated by federal law — and so did my employees,” said Sheriff Ed Prieto of Yolo County, Calif. “But after we met with the Mexican consulate in Sacramento we learned it’s not. Then I started looking into how many of our people are being deported before trial and I became very uncomfortable contacting ICE for nonviolent offenders.”

Kane County, Ill., Sheriff Patrick Perez said that “90 percent of law enforcement officers believe (just being an illegal immigrant) is a crime, but I learned after talking to an immigration judge that it is just a civil offense.”

Sara Dill, a member of the American Bar Association’s Commission on Immigration and a member of the ABA’s Criminal Justice Council, explained it to me this way: “States are seeking to criminalize what is only a civil violation in federal law.” Dill said that failing to get a permit for home construction is one example of a civil, not criminal, violation. “Putting illegal immigrants in a criminal context confuses merely being present in the United States without authorization with crimes such as falsely claiming citizenship or identity theft, which are crimes under federal law.”

Everyone knows that of the universe of illegal immigrants, some have committed nonviolent and violent crimes — and everyone believes these should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

But believers of following “the letter of the law” cannot continue equating all illegal immigrants living in this country with criminals, who have plenty of civil rights of their own. That’s not the American way.

Arrchie Bunker

June 22nd, 2011
8:48 am

TO ALL YOU LAZYYYYY FREE LOADERS WHO SIT AND WAIT FOR THE GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS AND LIVE ON OUR TAXES, YES THE SOUTHERN STATES, GET OFF YOUR LAZZZY BACKSIDES, GET TO WORK AND BUILD YOUR OWN LIFE INSTEAD OF BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR OWN FAILURES.
IDEA: GO TO THE MIRROR AND SLAPPPP HARD THE PERSON YOU SEE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE IN CHARGE OF YOUR LIFE , WHAT WILL IT BE?? IF YOU WANT TO $UCC$EED, GET DR NAPOLEON HILLS BOOK, THINK & GROW RICH AND $$$UCC$EED.

If you are an American citizen, don’t let anyone tell you that you are downtrodden.

We still live in the greatest country in the world. The United States is the great experiment in positive thinking; our entire system of government is based upon faith in the inherent goodness of the individual. It was a revolutionary idea more than 200 years ago when the Declaration of Independence was first signed. Borrowing from the greatest thinkers in history, our founding fathers established a form of government of the people that is today the model most imitated around the world. Economic and political conditions ebb and flow, but as long as we have a democratic society that celebrates the individual, we can achieve anything in life we desire. All you require to be successful in the United States is the desire to achieve success and the determination to stick with it until you reach your goals.

Arrchie Bunker

June 22nd, 2011
8:49 am

THE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE PAYING MORE TAXES THAN YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMMIGRANTS AND TAXES:
Q: “Is it true that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes and drain our economy?”
A: As Ben Franklin said, “Nothing is certain but death and taxes.” Like the rest of us, unauthorized immigrants pay taxes on their property and anything they buy. More than half of them have taxes taken out of their paychecks, but because our immigration system is dysfunctional, these taxes are paid under false Social Security numbers. We need a new regimen in which we know who is paying taxes and can ensure that no one is getting a free ride. The only way to do that is to pull unauthorized immigrants out of the shadows and get them on the right side of the law.
Three state-level studies have found that unauthorized immigrants pay more in taxes than they use in benefits. In Iowa, unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $40 to $62 million in state taxes, while they and their employers contribute an additional $50 million to $77.8 million in federal, Social Security, and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. In Oregon, unauthorized immigrants—who are not eligible for any state benefits—pay between $134 million and $187 million in taxes each year. Finally, in Texas, the State Comptroller found that, without unauthorized residents, the gross state product in 2005 would have been $17.7 billion less.

THE BOTTOM LINE: Undocumented immigrants are an important component of the U.S. economy. They meet the labor demand in sectors in which they do not directly compete with U.S.-born workers. The great majority of migrant workers are taxpaying, hardworking, and law-abiding people who are integrating into U.S. society.

The economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.
That represented an astounding 5.4 percent to 10.7 percent of the trust fund’s total assets of $2.24 trillion that year. The cumulative contribution is surely higher now. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of $12 billion in 2007 alone, Goss said.

Previous estimates circulating publicly and in Congress had placed the annual contributions at roughly half of Goss’s 2007 figure and listed the cumulative benefit on the order of $50 billion.

The Social Security trust fund faces a solvency crisis that would be even more pressing were it not for these payments.
Adding to the Social Security irony is that the restrictionists are mostly OLDER AND RETIRED WHITES from longtime American families. The very people, in other words, who benefit most from the Social Security payments by unauthorized immigrants.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Boost the Economy & Help ALL American Workers: As opposed to the mass deportation, enforcement-only approach, addressing and fixing the immigration system in a wholesale manner will be a boon to the U.S. economy and all U.S. workers. That is why both the AFL-CIO and Change to Win created The Labor Movement’s Joint Framework for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Dr. Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda conducted a 2010 report for the Center for American Progress and the Immigration Policy Center that found that “Unlike the current enforcement-only strategy, comprehensive reform would raise the ‘wage floor’ for the entire U.S. economy—to the benefit of both immigrant and native-born workers.” According to the study, granting legal status to undocumented immigrants and creating flexible legal limits on future immigration flows would generate enough consumer-spending to support 750,000-900,000 jobs. The report also found that the mass deportation approach would reduce GDP by 1.46 percent annually, amounting to a loss of $2.6 trillion over 10 years.

Corey

June 22nd, 2011
8:51 am

Hank Aaron, can you say majority black population, Voting Rights Act of 1965. When Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, Milton, Johns Creek, Marietta, Doraville, Decatur, Smyrna, Kennesaw, Canton, Woodstock, Forest Park, Duluth, Lawrenceville, Douglasville and the rest elect a black mayor get back to me.

Bob the Builder

June 22nd, 2011
8:51 am

Corey, why do you think illegal immigration is only an issue with “southern” states? I guess the south should look to Watts, Detroit, and Boston to see how to handle racial issues. If it’s that bad, please make sure you don’t move here.

Democratic Plantation Dweller

June 22nd, 2011
8:54 am

We should not have borders…let people move about freely. Don’t worry about who will pay for their services.

Vickie

June 22nd, 2011
8:54 am

When churches pay taxes, perhaps they can have a voice in the government.

williebkind

June 22nd, 2011
8:55 am

Arrchie Bunker

June 22nd, 2011
8:49 am
One trip to the emergency by one family member for treatment of a stomach ache offsets any monies you claim to come into the US coffers. You do live a different world! Utopia is not going to come or brought in by a man or woman. Take off the progressive liberal veil and see the real world.

GaDawgs7

June 22nd, 2011
8:55 am

Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley, who recently signed a vicious anti-immigrant law that harkens back to the days of Jim Crow

Seriously??? What a racist statement! If I get stopped while driving, I HAVE to produce a driver’s license. I have to supply a drivers license or birth certificate for almost anything I apply for, and I’m an American citizen. Why does it discriminate or “target” just to ask for ID with just cause? Tell you what, why don’t we do this…if you support illegals being here (key word..ILLEGALS), then why don’t you agree to let them move in and live in your house, and you clothe them, feed them, give them shelter, find them jobs, and if they commit crimes, YOU will be held responsible!. If you’re going to talk the talk, then walk the walk! I have many friends that are immigrants, either working here legally or now a legal citizen…key word here is…LEGAL. People think this discriminates against Hispanics, but it applies to all countries. I don’t want illegal Canadians coming here either, but it just so happens to apply to Hispanics in a lot of cases. Just go the legal route and you are welcome here…..break the law by coming here, and you are not

Hankie Aron

June 22nd, 2011
8:56 am

I have yet to hear anyone explain why the taxpayer (who has not a seat at this table unless your’e counting the voting booth) must pay for health care, welfare, food stamps, WIC, educational costs that illegal immigrants burden society with. If you can explain how they can start to become contributing citizens so that this won’t be the albatross that it is, I’m listening.

Laura

June 22nd, 2011
8:56 am

As a former Baptist, I believe these comments were made by the SBC to grab some of the Latino’s numbers (and dollars). Since the Pentecostal’s already have many Latino members, the Baptists want some of that, not to mention “saving them” from the Pope. @jconservative is a real comedian, pining for the bad old days of Ronny Ray-gun. My recommendation is we use the FDR model and put this country to work with public work projects, and stop propping up the military industrial complex with death and war.

Hankie Aron

June 22nd, 2011
8:59 am

Corey- 1965 was a LONG time ago man, get real. If you want to go down that road about mayors in the cities, let’s take a look at what percentage of blacks voted for Obama. That’s a much more important office that any mayorship in North GA. When you find that number and it sinks in, please report back.

Hankie Aron

June 22nd, 2011
9:00 am

Voting for Obama because he was black is just as racist as not voting for him because he was black. Is it coming to you yet Corey?

Corey

June 22nd, 2011
9:01 am

Williebekind, you totally missed my point which is the south’s attitude about “others” often lead them enact reactionary, vengeful and target legislation.

Hankie Aron

June 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

Corey- Those cities you mentioned all are predominantly white, right? I thought so

Jezz A. Bell - The Phoencian SinSation

June 22nd, 2011
9:04 am

the north had more to bring in slaves than the south. The north had to convince the southerners blacks were less of a person in order to sell them to the plantation owners.

Great revisionist writing!! You must advocate the “dumbing down” of our schoolchildren huh? Viva la dumbos!!

Jezz A. Bell - The Phoencian SinSation

June 22nd, 2011
9:06 am

Voting for Obama because he was black is just as racist as not voting for him because he was black. Is it coming to you yet Corey?

I am sooo tired of the word RACIST! The correct word would be PREJUDICED!! Not RACIST!! DUH!!! People, people, please use google and/or Merriam Webster — ignorance and apathy is NOT pretty!

jconservative

June 22nd, 2011
9:08 am

markie mark June 22nd, 2011 8:48 am
“Jconservative…..I believe the Reagan model is what got us here today…”

I do not disagree. But we are where we are.

You and I both know we are not going to round up 11 million people and ship them across the border.

You and I both know we are not going to build a fence that surrounds the entire US border and coastline to keep illegals out.

You and I both know that American business would be happy with keeping the immigration policy just where it is today – plenty of cheap labor available.

So we can do nothing or do something. The something I recommend is the Reagan model because I believe that with a few adjustments on amnesty it can pass both houses of Congress.

And that is the ultimate test of any suggested policy, can it pass both houses of Congress and be signed by the President?

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2011
9:09 am

Terrell

1. The New Testament says we should obey the laws of the land.
2. When illegals cross the border, they immediately start breaking that law.
3. Exactly how does that make my pointing out Baptist hyprocisy make a mockery of the Bible?

Non-Struggling Southern Baptist

June 22nd, 2011
9:10 am

I have ZERO struggle with these criminal illegal immigrants.

Out tax dollars, when necessary, should go to help the legal immigrants who came here with the proper respect for our laws and land instead of the border-sneaking litter droppers.

By the way, the Kenyan in the White House with the PhotoShop’d Birth Certificate and fraudulent Social Security Number should be deported as well.

Amen.

Corey

June 22nd, 2011
9:10 am

Hankie Aaron, seriously? News flash. Ninety per cent or more of blacks vote for candidates with (D) in front of their names be they black, white green, polka dot maybe even mauve. Are you saying that you only became interested in who blacks voted for because Mr. Obama was on the ballot? Are you revealing your inner feelings about race and blacks in particular seep out in your comments?

Construction Employer

June 22nd, 2011
9:11 am

This law goes way beyond agriculture in how it will create a shortage of hard working qualified labor.
All the service sectors are being greatly impacted, especially construction and landscaping.
HELP!

It is almost impossible to find enough Qualified, Skilled, Hard Working painters, roofers, sheetrock, framers, concrete, stone masons, general construction and landscaping workers. Everyone I talk to in the business is getting very nervous, frustrated and desperate. And this is in a slow economy!

Please someone from the AJC write about this Major Problem.

We need your help now!

A lot of our best hard working, skilled labor is leaving our state.

Corey

June 22nd, 2011
9:12 am

Hankie Arron@9:03, can you say epiphany?

kimmer

June 22nd, 2011
9:14 am

The resolution mentions “just and compassionate”. Well that should consider everybody. For instance, how “just and compassionate” is to those who have gone down a long arduous path to enter the US legally when you reward those who broke the law to cut to the front of the line?

Ernesto

June 22nd, 2011
9:16 am

Of course the bible states clearly that we Christians should obey the law established by our elected officials. Nonetheless, there’s a higher commandment; the most important one.

34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all THE LAW and the prophets.

How can a Christian claim he or she loves Christ if they do not have compassion and love for others?

The Snark

June 22nd, 2011
9:17 am

Looks like the Southern Baptists are really struggling with that pesky Sermon on the Mount.

Philosopher

June 22nd, 2011
9:18 am

The real issue in the question brought up should be: Why does anything a religious group have to say matter so much, anyway? The reason the Baptist pronouncements matter is because of the incredible political power they hold over most of the people, politicians, and schools in the south. They hold this power because the south is still populated with sheople who worship preachers instead of God. This is not a faith we’re talking about but a religious machine…a cloak around a movement to own and control as many people as possible…it’s all about money and power. Since the main religion of Hispanics is Catholicism, it is not surprising that the south would strongly support “ugly” immigration laws,

Hammer

June 22nd, 2011
9:18 am

Illegal = stealing; Naturalized citizen = law-abiding citizen

williebkind

June 22nd, 2011
9:20 am

Jezz A. Bell – The Phoencian SinSation

June 22nd, 2011
9:04 am
Prove me wrong! Back your intelligence!

casual observer

June 22nd, 2011
9:21 am

Since so many conservatives in public life like to point to their religious views as a guide for their political acts, the resolution ought to have a substantial influence on immigration debates.

Most Christians use their religous views to guide all of their acts.

Is that not true with Libs?

Hankie Aron

June 22nd, 2011
9:21 am

Yes Corey, people tend to trust those that are around them more than people that are not. No epiphany her sir. That’s been for a long long time brother

Truth

June 22nd, 2011
9:23 am

I imagine the Baptists are like all Christians, they are for Immigrants but opposed to “ILLEGAL ALIENS”. This is what people like you do in the media. You try to disarm the good people of America by changing just a few words to control the masses. Quit calling them immigrants.

Wally

June 22nd, 2011
9:23 am

I know very few people who are sympathetic to the illegal criminal problem we have in this state. That is why the bills passed,the people of this state have spoken. They are stealing from everyone of us and trying to change the way most sensible/responsible citizens live. Please someone tell me why they,illegals, would stop and render aid or take responsibility for their actions in a car accident.What they would do is best ddescribed as CRIMINAL. I have witnessed it.

Hankie Aron

June 22nd, 2011
9:23 am

It’s nothing mysterious or spectacular. Just a casual observer. Do not hate the person, hate the sin.

Construction Employer

June 22nd, 2011
9:23 am

I Also want to add that I along with a lot of other people are losing a lot of good friends.

It is sad. This law is just cruel in so many ways.

HELP AJC!!!

Hankie Aron

June 22nd, 2011
9:24 am

Very true, truth. It’s always been about control. A nation of sheep breeds a gov’t of wolves

Just say'n

June 22nd, 2011
9:26 am

CT, there’s racial profiling and then there’s religious profiling and then there is “regional” (Southern) profiling, etc.!

casual observer

June 22nd, 2011
9:26 am

If Illegals voted Republican, would CT even care about them? I seriously doubt it!

kimmer

June 22nd, 2011
9:27 am

Hey Ernesto. Insisting that the law be obeyed and putting in place statutes to address a clear rampant disregard for the law does not connote a lack of compassion and love. Let’s take all of those Bible verses you cite. Do they apply to other criminals as well and we should just pardon ‘em all or do these verses just apply to illegal immigration? If the latter is true then why?

guy

June 22nd, 2011
9:28 am

Who cares what Baptists think or vote for? What matters is what the law of this country is.You can’t legalize breaking the law!!!!! Why do so many people run from the truth?

williebkind

June 22nd, 2011
9:29 am

“How can a Christian claim he or she loves Christ if they do not have compassion and love for others?”

Are you infering Americans do not have compassion? After all the blood and money Americans have given to the world! I dare say to you, “Do not try to be holy using misinformation!”

Waldo

June 22nd, 2011
9:30 am

A stopped clock is right two times a day & that’s two times a day more than Cynthia. Invoking Jim Crow? That cheapens everything fought for in the civil rights era. Could you be any dumber? I swear the newspaper industry is the only one where complete stupidity is encouraged and rewarded. You’d better pray that the AJC never goes out of business Cynthia because flipping burgers is about the only thing you’re smart enough to do. (I apologize to all the burger flippers out there for that comparison)

redhousecat

June 22nd, 2011
9:30 am

“a just and compassionate path to legal status” are the laws we have in this country and the processes in place to become “legal”. Can’t get any simpler and more compassionate than that.

williebkind

June 22nd, 2011
9:32 am

guy

June 22nd, 2011
9:28 am
Guy has a very good point, “You can’t legalize breaking the law!”. Why do the liberals do that! They failed using activist judges and now they simply want to legalize breaking the law. How unAmerican!

Bob Rooney

June 22nd, 2011
9:41 am

Illegals are taking advantage of our healthcare system.
ruin our economy and steal jobs from unemployed Americans.
Help to protect the new law.

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cosby

June 22nd, 2011
9:44 am

Once again, illegal is against the law..what is so hard about that. There is a wrong way and a correct way to imagrate into the USA. As for the big deal on agriculture and help – employment is at an all time high…welfare rolls are full..why not take the welfare receipants, still allow them to receive their wonderful government handouts, have the farmers pay what they pay the illegals and hopefyully after one season, they will decide to take care of themselves. enough of this poor poor pitiful unfortunate or the poor agriculural community that needs slave labor. Unless, of course CT, you believe in slavery, which apparently you do!

Jethro

June 22nd, 2011
9:46 am

Typical. Long list of problems, short list of solutions.

The answer is that our government is most at fault because it won’t enforce the laws it is charged to defend. That is the whole reason this debate has fomented. The “yeah, but” argument rings hollow.

If there is such a need for labor, why then can’t these “undocumented workers” become documented? Too hard? It’s supposed to be hard. It’s not enough to want a job. Doubt me? Try, as an American citizen, to get a job in Mexico. Or Guatemala. Wherever.

Just because we are the wealthiest country in the world doesn’t mean we have to give our wealth to every Tom, Dick and Jorge that doesn’t “have.” Play by the rules or don’t play. That applies to Baptists, Catholics, Jews, Hindus, everybody.

Wally

June 22nd, 2011
9:46 am

Hey consruction worker…I bet you hate losing your DUI& Drug dealing buddies when they are incarcerated as well. Maybe you should try making NEW friends,ones that are here legally. HMMMMMM

hdhd

June 22nd, 2011
9:47 am

“They can only become citizens if the join a Baptist church; Catholics and Jew go back to Mexico.” Lolz.

NoWay

June 22nd, 2011
9:48 am

My wife is a LEGAL immigrant who has been here for almost 12 years. She is STILL waiting for her permanent resident status to go though. She owns a rental property and pays all taxes that a legal citizen would. Why should people who have no regard for US laws get to jump in line in front of her?

Souther Baptists should keep their noses out of governmental affairs, that is, unless they want to start paying taxes.

The Nerd

June 22nd, 2011
9:48 am

The bottom line is that I’m STILL ashamed of being a Georgian because of a racist law judging immigrants regardless of status.

Ernesto

June 22nd, 2011
9:48 am

@Kimmer, As the bible states it clearly, our main concern is to love God and love others as well. With love comes patience, kindness. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

If laws are established they should be obeyed. But laws can be changed to protect and care for everyone.

joe

June 22nd, 2011
9:49 am

Perhaps they should “donate” a portion of the funds in their collection plates to pay for them…instead of putting the bill at the feet of overtaxed tax payers.

ATF

June 22nd, 2011
9:54 am

It is important that the SBC actually made a statement, fuzzy though it is. They, too, recognize that what Newt said is true: “we are not going to deport 11 million people.” More than that, they recognize that there are many families that have been here for years, work, have health insurance, bought houses, paid taxes. We are hearing more and more stories of stable families being broken up because a parent gets deported.

There are good people among the illegal aliens who are here. We need to create a set a conditions that lets them stay.

casual observer

June 22nd, 2011
9:59 am

The Nerd

I’m STILL ashamed to be an American that has a government that won’t protect its citizenry from being economically bankrupt by Illegal immigrants that are overloading the LEGAL taxpayers of this country. That already has a spending and debt problem. It is not the burden of the American people to house, provide education, provide healthcare, subsistence to people from another country that has entered this country illegally. Simple as that

Grow up and look around there is no Utopian society that has no order and discipline . I have a great Idea maybe we should adopt the same immigration law as the countries we are over-run by?

Red

June 22nd, 2011
10:00 am

Two points here – to those who keep saying “one word – illegal” and variations of that, do you have the same judgment and criticism for the patriotic flag waving Americans who are hiring the illegals? The illegals are here because there is a demand. Americans are hiring them. Americans are creating the problem. Punish the Americans for actually breaking the law and cheating the rest of the country and the illegals go away.

Perhaps in all of this criticism over Georgia’s and Alabama’s stances on the new laws, that same criticism would be channeled up to DC and specifically the White House. In all this comparisons of racism, the Jim Crow days, and other knee jerk phraseology, these critics would actually be pushing to clear the red tape and open the amount of work visas in this country. Farm Bureau and all of the campaign cash and lobbyists they have are doing nothing but complaining. Where is the movement to open up more visas? I don’t see Cynthia Tucker demanding anything from Obama either. Where is her editorial actually calling on her fellow liberals to do something? Democrats had Congress and the White House and did nothing on the subject. They shoved healthcare through (and handed out exemptions to this ‘wonderful’ program to campaign buddies) and clocked out. Anything else that actually mattered was forfeited. And now all the Left wants to do is whine. All Farm bureau wants to do is complain. And all Cynthia Tucker wants to do is take swipes at Baptists and bring racism of yesteryear up. Very productive. THAT always accomplishes much.

Halftrack

June 22nd, 2011
10:01 am

CT; I wish you would spend a little of your time to come up with an adequate solution to the immigration problem and tell us how the present government can be held accountable for the laws that are on the books. If our laws had been enforced before, we wouldn’t have 11 million + illegals to deal with. If all of us can pick & choose what laws we want to obey – - – then we have chaos.

More and more Christians

June 22nd, 2011
10:03 am

Most illegals (other than the infiltrating Al-Qaeda types from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Eqypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. that are caught in Arizona and other locales) are already Christian, probably Catholic. So we can assume that the main purpose of the SBC is to help a fellow Christian in a Christian manner.
Have any of the states that have passed “anti-immigrant” laws done much more than codify (at the state level) what the federal government is supposed to already be doing (but blatantly does not)?
On a side note, I saw that Ms. Pelosi’s brilliant piece of socialized medicine (”Pass the law and then find out what is in it”) contained a small loophole in which 3 million (supposedly unintended) middle class people get free health care under Medicaid. Gosh, that’s only another $15-30 billion a year (times ten years, what do you know, the law is not adding to the deficit, as we all know it will).

steve from Dalton

June 22nd, 2011
10:04 am

Not the role of the Church to get into the immigration issues.

Terrell

June 22nd, 2011
10:12 am

Corey,

I agree to a certain extent. Illegal immigrants weren’t a problem at first because they provided cheap labor and employeers were ok with that, but the fact is, that unlike blacks, they are not US citizens and they aren’t being kicked out because of their race but because they are illegal. They aren’t getting beaten and they aren’t being held from work so you’re not comparing apples to apples here.

Kuntchak

June 22nd, 2011
10:14 am

CT – can you even right an article without mentioning Jim Crow? You are part of the problem, living in the past, still spitefull for being called racial slurs I’m sure back in Bama. That’s fine, do what you want, all I’m saying is, you are a one trick pony and not at all entertainng, educational, informative, logical, or interesting.

GTC

June 22nd, 2011
10:16 am

I am tired of hearing that the illegal are taking our jobs. They are doing jobs nobody else wishes to do. They also provide for the local economy by buying, renting and spending. Taxes, yes most do not pay taxes but do all americans pay taxes? I do not think so, specially the rich who spend money on an accountant so they do not have to pay taxes. Ask yourself: if i had their needs, would i jump the border for a better life? Last, we are all immigrants in this Nation. What is the protestant church doing?!?!

Gerard

June 22nd, 2011
10:18 am

Matthew 25:35 For when I was hungry, you gave me food; when I was thirsty, you gave me drink; when I was homeless, you gave me a welcome. Many of these undocumented came over as children and with legal work or visitation visas that have expired. But i do say right on to the “conservative right” because its shocking to see they are actually acting with human kindness to the undocumented, real people who work, real people who pay taxes, people who are just like us, wanting to get ahead in life…

redneckbluedog

June 22nd, 2011
10:20 am

Did you hear that giant sucking sound..? That was the illegal immigrants leaving Georgia and Alabama….Sounds like sweet music to me…!!!!

NAGA

June 22nd, 2011
10:20 am

Wow Bookman’s piece all over again. F- on creativity.

For all you “believers” who have a bleeding heart maybe you should first read (& comprehend) what the good book says about lawbreakers:

1 Peter 2:13

Jordan P

June 22nd, 2011
10:22 am

@carlosgvv
The Word says YOU should obey the law of the land. It does not say you should make THEM obey the law of the land. YOU are accountable to God for yourself, not for evey illegal.

If the SBC decided that they disagreed with the laws that does not mean they have disobeyed the laws.

I pray you have some conviction to follow the greatest commandments: Love God and love your neighbor. Christ said that, “as you do to the least of these, you do unto me.” Go ahead and throw Him out along with the illegals – treat Christ as sub-human. Good luck with that one.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

June 22nd, 2011
10:25 am

Every civilized country in the world has immigration laws, why shouldn’t the US? Hasn’t anyone taken a look at the financial situation in America? When an illegal gets sent to prison who pays for it? When an illegal goes to the emergency room, who pays? When an illegal uses the school systems who pays? We don’t live in a perfect world, everyone respects the fact that many illegals come here for a better life, that’s not the point here though. If illegals are having a major negative effect on the country what can you do, just sit back and let it happen? Don’t think that’s the most logical answer, do you?

Another Voice

June 22nd, 2011
10:26 am

More religious hypocrisy these are the same folks that at one point even though Jesus never advocated to be harsh to another human but rather to help one and other excuse racism and segregation in the past. Now for a while the have excuse harshness against immigrants based on their legal status in the country. What did Jesus advocate to do????? not this!!!! It seems like pure political posturing measure in the end these folks have not change they are still the same……

Don't Tread

June 22nd, 2011
10:26 am

“It also makes it a crime to harbor or transport an illegal immigrant” – which is already illegal under federal law. Oh, how vicious.

California loves illegals (so do New York and Illinios) – let them move there if they don’t want to go home.

RLJ

June 22nd, 2011
10:28 am

carlosgvv,

As I said when you posted this before, the SBC is not breaking the law, but proposing that it be changed. They are not violating the NT, but dealing with two complex issues–obeying the law and reaching out to the foreigner, which is also endorsed by scripture.

CT,

Minor correction–among SBC, seminarian usually refers to a student at a seminary. Dr. Moore is a professor.

casual observer

June 22nd, 2011
10:29 am

I don’t get it?!!! What don’t you people understand? We as citizens of this country (and state) can no longer afford Illegal’s!! Yes there was a time when it wasn’t a big deal. Yes they were sort of a shadow society. NOW! Times are much different. We are broke, and in debt. We shouldn’t ask the hardworking, barely making ends meet, family in this country to send their tax dollar to Washington or Atlanta to be redistributed to an entitlement program that gives FREE services to people that entered this country illegally. I for the life of me don’t understand how that is not understood?

Kamchak

June 22nd, 2011
10:31 am

Where is her editorial actually calling on her fellow liberals to do something?

So glad you asked, sport.

This is an excerpt from an editorial our hostess penned in 2007: (emphasis, mine)

…here’s some counterintuitive advice for the Democratic ranks: Don’t hedge. Lead. Do the right thing. Come out clearly and forcefully for putting illegal immigrants already in the country on a path to citizenship. This is no time to trim or triangulate. Show some spine. America is ready for reasoned leadership on this issue.

…So let the GOP be the party of fear and division. Democrats ought to stand for something else. The modern Democratic Party also made its choice in the 1960s, choosing hope over fear, tolerance over division and the beloved community over bigotry.

…This is no time for Democrats to turn their backs on that heritage. America is too generous and compassionate to expel millions of productive and otherwise law-abiding people. The nation has taken advantage of their labor for decades, and it would be inhumane (and outrageously expensive) to round them up and send them back.

But Americans also want to be assured that this is the last time a broad legalization option is offered to illegal immigrants. Democrats ought to make it clear that they’ll enforce the borders and crack down on employers who hire illegally, a cheaper and more effective strategy for addressing the problem than building fences. After a few CEOs have done the perp walk for illegal hiring, they’ll stop offering jobs to those without proper documents. And when word gets across the border that U.S. companies have stopped hiring, those laborers will stop coming. They come for jobs, after all, not jihad.

This is a win-win platform. Not only is it wise and honorable, calling on the highest ideals of a nation of immigrants, it can also produce victories at the ballot box. Last week, Virginia Democrats made gains in state and local elections even though the state has been embroiled in fiery debate over illegal immigration. As an analysis by the Washington Post concluded, voting trends didn’t benefit “those who campaigned the loudest for tough sanctions against illegal immigrants.”

Let Republicans take the low road. It doesn’t end in a place the rest of the country wants to go.

Rod

June 22nd, 2011
10:32 am

Cynthia – the SBC DOES NOT speak for all Baptists. They are becoming more and more isolated, which is why more Baptists are now chosing to be represented by CBF – The Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Their headquarters are located in Atlanta – you should contact them.

Jimmy62

June 22nd, 2011
10:36 am

Damn, Cynthia once again shows her complete inability to understand simple concepts. Personally I love immigrants, just not criminals. And the word immigrant does not imply anything about race, yet Cynthia chooses to make it about race. Did you know that there are white people that live in other countries and sometimes move to the US, too? And the ones that do it illegally are just as bad as Mexicans who sneak in here. And the ones that follow legal procedures are more than welcome in this country.

Why is everything about race to you? When you will stop looking at everyone’s color and pay attention to their actions? A person is in Georgia, it doesn’t matter their color, but it does matter if they are here legally, or if they broke the law and snuck in.

Take your racist bs back to DC, and we will continue treating criminals as criminals and non-criminals as non-criminals, no matter their color.

luangtom

June 22nd, 2011
10:40 am

Churches are run like governments, with inprecise wording in their documents so as to confuse those reading them. The say-nothing documents cited are the same as government documents. They say very little with credence and do much to confuse.

It is quite apparent that the Baptist Conference does not wish to upset the illegals that are here, nor do they wish to upset their members, so they create a confusing document in hopes of appeasing both sides. Typical of our current politically correct culture, both in church and government. Until the Federal government gains some credibility and gives the country an over-haul of its immigration laws, we will forever be in a state of limbo with political and religious say-nothing. Sides will be adamant in their convictions and sides will take to the streets to expound their stand and their wisdom, but nothing will be accomplished by this and nothing will change until a firm change and stand is taken by a vote-seeking government and legislature.

zeke

June 22nd, 2011
10:42 am

Reagan agreed to making about 3 million citizens based on an agreement with democrats in Congress THAT THEY WOULD DO WHAT WAS NECESSARY TO SEE THAT ILLEGALS WOULD BE PREVENTED FROM COMING HERE AND THAT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE FOREVER SOLED! OF COURSE, LIKE WITH GHW BUSH AND TAXES, THE DEMOCRAT SCOURGE NEVER DID WHAT THEY PROMISED TO DO!!!!! ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS! ARREST THEM-SHIP THEM OUT NEVER TO RETURN!!!!

Another Voice

June 22nd, 2011
10:43 am

@Woodstock Mike
“Every civilized country in the world has immigration laws, why shouldn’t the US? ”
When the laws are flawed and do not meet with the economic realities of the world they merit to be changed and reviewed, everyone know s that the US Immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed that is why we are here today.
“Hasn’t anyone taken a look at the financial situation in America?” Rinning a large sector of the population out of the state will on ly further contract the economy as there are less dollars being spent into the economy. As business make less money they have less incentive to hire more workers. Tax revenues decrease which makes the State’s deficit bigger. Immigrant dependent business close further exacerbating the economic reality of today. Yes I think we are all looking…
When an illegal gets sent to prison who pays for it?
Immigrants have the lowest crime rate in the country because the last thing they want to do is deal with the police. Usually they get deported so they do not really get out of prison but if they can get out since they can not get bonded they pay for all their fines and fees to society themselves.
When an illegal goes to the emergency room, who pays?
They pay taxes like the rest of us, sales taxes when they buy things and property taxes for cars and some have houses, unless they have gotten deported and forced to be foreclosed on…. Immigrants use education and healthcare but they contribution outpace the use of resources. Their payroll taxes are kept by the government. The SS trust fund grows at the rate of $7 billion annually in unmatch contributions presumably from Undocumented workers and they got $100 sitting in the pot I think they pay their fare share. SHOW US YOUR STATS(since you make the claim that they cost us).
When an illegal uses the school systems who pays? Same example as above and most of the kids are US Citizens…..
“If illegals are having a major negative effect on the country what can you do, just sit back and let it happen?” In fact history shows that Immigration has ALWAYS had a positive effect in the US through out history. Immigrants tend to be younger and have more kids. As now the baby boomers retire and for every 3 people that retire or will retire only 1 works Immigrants can fill that role and help the US economy continue to grow, if it was not for Immigrants the US birth rate would be negative, just look at Europe. They do not grow fast because their population is old. It seems that you need to go to school on this before you pose questions that you know very little about…..

ATF

June 22nd, 2011
10:43 am

We need to do a better job of closing the borders, a better job of assuring that employers can’t hire illegal immigrants, and then we need to have another amnesty, “path to citizenship”, whatever you want to call it.

Obama has actually done more to police the borders than Bush ever dreamed. He has sent back more illegals than Bush and investigated more employers. But our border with Mexico is, what, 2000 miles long and the border with Canada is, what, 4000 miles long. We will never get perfection but we can do better. In addition, we need better oversight of those who come on short-term visas – such as foreign students or relatives who come for a visit and never leave. Of course, we have to be willing to pay for it – so I am all for a tax increase.

What we need on the books are really tough penalties against employers. Republicans here won’t do it – look at the waffling in the state law. It is hard to imagine that national Republicans will do it – that would hurt their farmer buddies. But, they might – every once in a while they actually do something besides pass tax cuts or laws that affect marriage, abortion, or the sex lives of citizens. I don’t think the Dems will do it unless there is simultaneously a “path to citizenship” for those already here. And the Pubs won’t do the path. So, stalemate.

There is a way out. Close the borders and monitor those who are supposed to be here under a temporary visa, put real penalties in the law against employers of illegals, and one more amnesty.

casual observer

June 22nd, 2011
10:47 am

Another Voice

Sorry Pal …I’m running up the BS flag!!! I totally disagree with your opinion 100% and as a matter of fact most of it is opinion and NOT based on facts.

casual observer

June 22nd, 2011
10:51 am

Federation for American Immigration Reform

Executive Summary
This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

Red

June 22nd, 2011
11:02 am

Wow. To those who say the Bible says to ‘obey the law of the land’ I would love to know how you propose to punish the Americans who are actually breaking the law of the land? Or is this just about the Latinos who break the law of the land? Surely you want ALL who break the law punished? My guess in your selective use of Scripture you would not obey the Bible as far as witnessing and evangelizing this group before shoving them out the door. Nice selective use of Scripture.

Kamchak

June 22nd, 2011
11:02 am

ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS! ARREST THEM-SHIP THEM OUT NEVER TO RETURN!!!!

Ahhhhhhh yes, the voice of a round ‘em up and ship ‘em backer.

How much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish this task?

Original Thought not Necessary

June 22nd, 2011
11:11 am

Red,

What you describe is so common it actually has a name: proof-texting. Quote the one scripture that tends to back up your argument while ignoring all the others that do not.

It is also common in political discussion with the words of politicians. The right proof texts the left and the left proof texts the right and we get no where and then whine and wail about how bad things are.

B Cosby

June 22nd, 2011
11:11 am

Let’s just say we treat ILLEGAL’s like the countries illegals come from treat illegals. You from Honduras? We’ll treat you like your government treats illegals. You from Mexico? We treat you like the Mexican government treats illegals. Get the point CT. I think the illegal traffic would slow down a bit if people crossing the border illegally kew they were going to be treated the way their own goventment treats people. Besides, Tucker, when your lawn boy, au pair, and housekeeper get deported, you’ll have the opportunity to help the unemployment problems the moron Obama created!!

Donny1020

June 22nd, 2011
11:21 am

And the Baptist added one more amendment to the resolution stating that they respect individual pastor’s rights to teach their congregation that the words of Christ only have to be followed when endorsed by reactionary Republican leaders.

Don't drink the Kool Aid

June 22nd, 2011
11:30 am

Actually Cosby … Mexico has been doing brutal roundups of Hondurans inside Mexico ( a Honduran was shot dead in one raid in Mexico City . What is funny are the excuses MEXICAN employers of illegals use there ( they do work Mexicans won’t do ) I kid you not !

The fact is people like Tucker doesn’t WANT a solution .Doesn’t matter . People like her are being made increasingly irrelevant every single day by their own actions .

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Philosopher

June 22nd, 2011
12:28 pm

I am much more disturbed about the growing Baptist control over every aspect of life here in the south than I am over a few dollars from my wallet that go to feed, clothe, and care for fellow human beings that have fled here to find a decent life. The true criminals (those who will not obey our laws or who traffic drugs) should be prosecuted and deported…the law-abiding should be provided a way to earn legal status.. Perhaps the real truth behind the vicious anger against illegal immigrants is that they are not wanted at all, they don’t speak English, they are different, and “not like us”. Therefore, if we keep them “illegal” we can continue to not accept them and continue to fuel our righteous anger…something many folks just love to do. If the Hispanic immigrant issue (and let’s be honest here..this IS what people are up in arms about, regardless of objections otherwise), is resolved, there WILL be another to jump on…and another group of humans to be better than.

Sam Ina

June 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm

The vast majority of these illegals have come to USA only for a better life….that’s all.
Many of them have been living here for many years because the immigration department has not gone after them relentlessly.
When people live in a community for a long time they tend to forge relationshipd that become hard to break….if not INHUMAN to break.
Having compassion is by defenition the act of forgiving them their trespasses and embracing them.
The word that can be used to describe this is “AMNESTY”
It is not like a bad 4 letter word or something….even if you call it “pickled cucumber” or “earned legalization” it is nothing short of Amnesty.
No doubt there are illegals in the Baptist Church congregation because many of them are truly born again Christians…just that somehow they got thier immigration status messed up due to some bad advice from some attorney or something like that.
NO ONE wants to live illegally anywhere…circumstances force them to do so.
How can you possibly deport a person who came to USA as a child at age 2 or 3 with their parents and has lived here for over 15 to 18 years continuosly and calls this country HOME.

At a time when the US economy is in bad shape, if you charge these illegals even $1000 per family as penalty and get them to come forward and get legal status, that will bring in over a BILLION dollars into Federal hands…..money that can be used to boost the economy in so many ways.
At the end of the day…money talks.
Look at John McCain… a strong supporter of amnesty for immigrants and has been talking for so long trying to help illegals become legal…..now that HIS JOB IS ON THE LINE….he has changed sides and has become anti-immigration.
It is the same with Baptist Preachers and their congregations.
They talk about compassion because Jesus Christ had compassion on their filthy souls but now that they feel they are washed by the Blood of the Lamb….everyone else must go to hell.
The very same white republican conservatives used to believe that black man was created by God to serve them. And they were convinced the Bible said so.

Sam Ina

hobby

June 22nd, 2011
12:40 pm

Kammy-poo
“How much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish this task?”

What ever it takes! What ever the cost will be way less than housing, feeding, increased law enforcement, educating their multiple children, increased prisions, lossed from unlicensed and uninsured drivers, increased umenployment of Amiericans,…..need I go on?

Add up all the costs to the real Americans, and deportation costs are a bargain!

Kamchak

June 22nd, 2011
12:45 pm

What ever it takes!

:roll:

Philosopher

June 22nd, 2011
12:47 pm

What a shallow way to spend the one life we are granted…counting pennies, making sure no one gets more of yours than you deem them deserving of…as if YOU had anything to do with how you eneded up
here in America… instead of some other country, living in squalid, miserable conditions.

too funny

June 22nd, 2011
1:17 pm

anybody read the other headlines in the last couple day at the AJC. Here’s a few instant classics….. List of rappers with face ink, out of work probationers picking crops for a few hours before walking off the job, man killed by his own pitbull, poor school testing results in Atlanta & Clayton county, a lady named Quantabia and her mom did somethig stupid, and the pic of the guy caught hanging upside down in razor wire after running from cops…..either the AJC really hates black people or it’s been a slow news week.

SuperGeorge

June 22nd, 2011
1:19 pm

Is very sad to see politicians going to church Sunday but Monday are doing legislation that can be used to knock down brown people, and they think they are doing great and following the ideas of Jesus.

Great Americans hypocrites like McCain saying there is evidence illegal immigrants are making the fires in Arizona. EVIDENCE is something you can show and prove but this people is like those who are still waiting to find the weapons of mass destruction in Irak.

The Lord Jesus was with poor people, was not with the rich and the famous.
But reality was that Jesus was killed using the same kind of legislation.
The legal king was not Jesus, so they wrote in the cross INRI what mean illegal king, the false king.

Is a very sad story.
May be true that if Jesus come again we will kill him one more time … may be not in a cross but in something like the electric chair.

Another Voice

June 22nd, 2011
1:32 pm

@Casual Observer who is BSing here coting the Federation of American Immigration Reform is like citing the KKK on a race issue. They are a known racist and restrictionist organization and their Factchecks do not add up, posting the lies on the blog only keeps the miss-information going and keeps fanning the hate flames.

also in the bible

June 22nd, 2011
1:42 pm

Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

OR

When Moses and Aaron came to Pharaoh, they did as the Lord told them. Aaron threw down his staff in front of Pharaoh and his courtiers and it turned into a serpent. At this Pharaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians did the same thing by their spells.

If you’re gonna quote the bible everytime you don’t agree with someone, consider the above gems of wisdom also from the same bible you live by you poor fool

Joe

June 22nd, 2011
1:47 pm

Golden rule – do unto others…….

well you broke into my country and inflated my cost of tax payer servies by your illegal action. You have broken the golden rule.

Oh wait, you go to college or you only work meanial jobs? And you’ll be offended if asked for ID?
Well, OK then you broke the golden rule and all, but you can stay.

tax paying American citizen.

June 22nd, 2011
2:10 pm

Archie Bunker, YOU ARE NUTS !
Just WHO DO YOU THINK DONE THE VEGETABLE PICKING , TOILET SCRUBBING JOBS THAT YOUR ILLEGAL FRIENDS SUPPOSEDLY ARE DOING BEFORE THEY CAME HERE AND BROKE THE LAW ? HUH ? Um, people like me , YOU IDIOT.
You know what ,I used to be just like you when I was sleeping with the illegals . Then I had one put a switchblade to my throat on my property, just because I said something he didn’t like.
I used to just cry out for them all the time. Cuss anyone that didn’t agree with what I said. Well it took a beaten from one of those illegal scum to get my head screwed on right. I thank God for the beating that opened my eyes up. I worked with these people SIDE BY SIDE in the tobacco fields, in the factories, and you are a FOOL to think they are grateful for anything we Americans do for them. I have had them laugh and tell me, we know we are breaking the law and WE DON’T CARE! We are here, we are taking over GET OVER IT. now Archie Bunker, when one of your children is molested by one ,I don’t want to hear you whine and complain. Illegals don’t care what the take from hard working Americans . The don’t care you idiot ! They tell me that rules don’t apply to them. They can do whatever they like. The do the crime and then they run. Plain and simple.
If they were Christian they would know immediately that by being here in this country illegal is breaking the law. They don’t care . They even tell me that they come here to get the welfare , the free healthcare and just as soon as the free ride stops, they will leave. People WAKE Up.
yes, it’s one thing to be a Christian. But God is a God of order. Laws are meant to be respected.
When those people go home and come back the legal way, yes by all means LET’S HELP THEM.
They are like spoiled children whom mommy and daddy have never said the word NO to. Then when they do get reprimanded for something , they cut a shine and tear the daylights out of every thing. I don’t want to hear that I am racist. I used to date them until I got my head screwed on right. Thank God for that day.

Another Voice

June 22nd, 2011
2:23 pm

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BBG

June 22nd, 2011
2:27 pm

Morons. All.

tax paying American citizen.

June 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm

Hey , here’s an idea. How about 30 million Americans , head on down to Old Mexico and become “undocumented workers” and let’s hang the American flag and protest in the streets every time we demand something be handed over to us and they don’t comply. Let’s demand free education for our children who are born there because we were “visiting”. Let’s demand free healthcare , and holler racism every time we don’t get the job. Oh , and they all need to learn English since we Americans are too lazy to learn Spanish. All of us women can get PG and become baby factories and spit a kid out every 9 months. So they can become Mexican citizens. Wonder if it could go on for decades like it has here in America without being unpunished ? I don’t think so. Mexico isn’t that stupid.

Kamchak

June 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm

Hey , here’s an idea. How about 30 million Americans , head on down to Old Mexico and become “undocumented workers”…

You planning on leading that parade?

Ernesto

June 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm

Hey, if 30 million Americans would head to Mexico to create more jobs, President Felipe Calderon would receive them with open arms… Also, FYI the majority of Americans who visit mexico are very well treated by the Mexican Citizens…

Michael N

June 22nd, 2011
3:21 pm

Here is another article full of inaccurate statements in an attempt to promote one point of view. Nice propaganda, very impressive. Unfortunately, it will not sway those educated enough to actually read the law.

Kuntchak

June 22nd, 2011
4:31 pm

CT is right, she’ll always right. And it’s my job to take a swipe at anyone who posts anything counter to here viewpoint. And correct any misspellings along the way b/c everyone knows only stupid people misspell words.

I really don’t understand why everyone doesn’t give their undying love and affection for our lovely hostess.

I wish you all could see the shrine I’ve made for her at my mom’s house. I’ve taken a picture of it and mailed it in, but didn’t get a response. It was probably just lost in the mail.

And my one liners are funny darnit! I spend a lot of time patrolling this blog so nobody gets away with saying anything mean about her. Some people call me a sychophant, the epitome of a internet troll, a loser, unoriginal, but I don’t care. My goal in life is to defend dearest Cynthia. So all you bad people out there take note, my eyes won’t leave my computer screen from 8am to 8pm every day, so you better be on your best behavior. I know I will be, Cynthia might communicate with me, or better yet speak to me in person, that would be so peachy, I would probably cry. Oh a boy can wish though.

Tom Middleton

June 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm

Wow, Cynthia, Alabama’s “broadest and ugliest anti-immigration law in the land” has made us worse than even Mississippi in the human-rights arena. Now who are we going to make fun of, I mean, besides ourselves? Poor Alabama: Fiftieth out of fifty and still going down!

Maybe we should create legal sponsorship programs that allow churches to act Christian in spite of our governor!

geneg

June 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm

Between Exodus,Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy there are eleven places where God commands the Isrealites to treat the alien among you as you treat yourself. In Deuteronomy there is a curse, not a loosey-goosey injunction, but a full bore curse on those who mistreat the alien. The Bible is so pro immigration it hurts. But then why should anyone care what the Bible actually says?

andru

June 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm

andru

June 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm

Kamchak

June 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm

Two words: mystery meat.

Not Blind

June 22nd, 2011
7:22 pm

The phrase ‘illegal immigrant’ is convenient but illegal aliens are NOT immigrants.

Request to CT

June 22nd, 2011
9:45 pm

“…who recently signed a vicious anti-immigrant law that harkens back to the days of Jim Crow. …”… “…passing the broadest and ugliest anti-immigration law in the land…”.

CT – Perhaps you can write a column on what your United States would look like???

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm

CT: Another religiophobic hypocrite, cherry-picking policy statements that fit the libtard template.

Philosopher

June 22nd, 2011
10:14 pm

@Lil’ Barry Bailout : Now that was a lot of words to say absolutely nothing of any worth at all!

LeeH1

June 22nd, 2011
10:16 pm

Damn! That liberal bug is now infecting even the Southern Baptists! Where will all this outbreak of Christianity lead to?

Schmidt

June 22nd, 2011
10:24 pm

“…the Southern Baptist Convention called for “a just and compassionate path to legal status” for the nation’s estimated 11 million undocumented workers.”

Undocumented workers, there’s another nice sanitized term for illegals. And it’s not really an accurate term, because most of them do have documents – counterfeit documents.

resno2

June 23rd, 2011
5:36 am

“…schools determine whether students have legal documents. (That’s just foolish time-wasting, since the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that public schools must educate minors, whether they are here legally or not.)”

It doesn’t say anything about NOT educating them does it?

emmysmom

June 23rd, 2011
8:49 am

“…but Arizona is having to share its anti-immigrant notoriety.” First, Arizona is anti-illegal immigrant. Secondly, it’s too bad they can’t “share” the criminal violence that comes across their borders from the illegals. If these criminals are so commendable, there are at least two options open to them: (1) Enter the U.S. legally and work toward citizenship like many generations of legal immigrants before them; (2) Work toward making their own country better.

Wiie

June 23rd, 2011
9:10 am

Tucker does not struggle with illegal immigration. She believes in open borders and the democratic party. But not in that order.

jconservative

June 23rd, 2011
9:51 am

Interesting debate. No consensus was reached. Neither side will compromise. Which is where we have been for decades. And probably why the Federal policy will remain what it is today. The several states will enact some policies restricting illegal immigration that may or may not pass the test of the Supreme Court.

When last we passed a Federal Bill on illegals a Republican president, a Republican Senate and a Democratic House agreed on a compromise. And the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was signed into law by Reagan.

Today any attempt to compromise would be DOA.

But change is on the horizon.

From the AP: “For the first time, minorities make up a majority of babies in the U.S., part of a sweeping race change and growing age divide between mostly white, older Americans and predominantly minority youths that could reshape government policies.” (cut)

“Demographers say the numbers provide the clearest confirmation yet of a changing social order, one in which racial and ethnic minorities will become the U.S. majority by midcentury.”

So if we do not change the law in a few years the new majority can make the decision.

Not Blind

June 23rd, 2011
10:41 am

Jconservative. The clout your “new majority” will have is going to be a direct result of illegal immigration and the birthright citizenship clause. In other words, it will be a power stolen from it’s rightful owners.