What Ron Paul gets right

WASHINGTON — It’s hard to take Congressman Ron Paul, perpetual presidential candidate, seriously. The Texas Republican is a committed libertarian — which means he doesn’t think government should do much of anything.

But his anti-war views and his attacks on military spending are beginning to resonate even among the GOP base, a constituency that prides itself on a muscular patriotism.

Their hawkishness is waning as Americans come to understand, once again, that war is costly.

You wouldn’t think that lesson would have had to be re-learned, but it did. For a decade after 9/11, Americans managed to ignore the costs of our military adventures — the profligate spending as well as the lost and tragically altered lives.
The national denial was greatly assisted by the rise of the highly-skilled, all-volunteer Armed Forces, staffed largely by working-class men and women without many professional options. It was easy for those of us without family members or close friends in combat to forget about the dangers associated with the nation’s aggressive strategy of national defense.

I remember the costs of war whenever I visit my mom in my hard-pressed Alabama hometown, where the textile mills are closing and the timber industry is consolidating and downsizing. It’s a part of America that contributes heavily to the nation’s defense, so my mom’s minister usually offers up a prayer for those who are serving. It’s no abstract ritual: many church members have brothers or daughters or grandchildren in uniform.

In wealthier precincts, though, voters could vigorously support the invasion of Iraq with little in the way of personal cost. As an early opponent of George W. Bush’s ill-advised war against Saddam Hussein, I remember the doctors and lawyers and entrepreneurs who accused me of various forms of disloyalty to God and country. All the while, their sons and daughters were safely ensconced in their pre-wealth careers.

They weren’t concerned with the staggering billions that Bush’s invasion was costing the nation’s treasury, either. The president had refused to raise taxes to pay for Iraq and Afghanistan, a decision that contributed to the illusion of painlessness. (It has also contributed substantially to the deficit.)

Indeed, after jihadists flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Bush encouraged Americans to “enjoy life. . Get down to Disney World,” he said.

That was so much more pleasant than the sacrifices demanded on the home front during World War II, when Americans were given rationing coupons for sugar, coffee and gasoline. So we were happy to do our part as as good Americans — shopping, eating out, vacationing.

But the notion of a war without costs had to come crashing down sooner or later — and now it has. As we struggle with joblessness, foreclosures and a massive federal debt, we remember: some wars are worth the paying and the dying, but none come with steep discounts.

Last month, in a little noticed vote, 28 Republicans, including three who serve on the House Armed Services Committee,   joined House Democrats attempting to force President Barack Obama to draw down troops from Afghanistan even faster than he has pledged. The amendment failed, but its sponsors will likely bring it back in a few months.

Who can blame them? The invasion of Afghanistan was justified to rout the Taliban, which had given shelter to Osama bin Laden and his band of terrorists. But a decade later, with bin Laden buried at sea, there is little reason to continue a costly effort to build democracy in a corrupt, tribal corner of the world.

That’s especially true when Congress is reluctant to extend unemployment benefits to jobless workers or to bail out financially-battered states or to rebuild our decaying bridges and aging railbeds. The cost of Afghanistan — about $8 billion a month — is clearly more than we can afford.

Some arm-chair hawks like Dick Cheney and John Bolton will, of course, continue to insist on waging wars and sending other people’s children to die in them. But most Americans have learned that the bill eventually comes due.

90 comments Add your comment

Mike

June 10th, 2011
4:19 pm

Ron Paul 2012 -is the only man that can be trusted to fix this dying nation. He has more integrity then all other politicans ..he’s getting my vote and donation money. RON PAUL 2012

tj

June 10th, 2011
4:26 pm

I don’t understand how Democrats want to attack someone like Paul more who they actually agree with on a few issues more than the run of the mill Republican who they probably disagree 100% with. There are some real areas where a progressive could agree with Paul on. This notion that anyone who wants to continue with $1.6 TRILLION dollar deficits is radical is radical in itself. Since when did having a balanced budget become absolutely off the table in todays nastly political climate. But don’t say we can get there by just increasing taxes by a a trillion and a half, there are laws of economics that will put that on its face if tried.

joshua

June 10th, 2011
4:41 pm

“Some arm-chair hawks like Dick Cheney and John Bolton will, of course, continue to insist on waging wars and sending other people’s children to die in them. But most Americans have learned that the bill eventually comes due.” They are out of power now it is Obama and Hillary who are the hawks. I don’t understand how you can not take Ron Paul seriously when we are broke.

Teeforee

June 10th, 2011
4:42 pm

It is hard to take your article seriously. How can you talk about failed wars without talking about what is going on in the Middle East, most importantly Libya right now? Bush was very wrong, yes we know that. Is that really news? How about talking about how nothing has changed with Obama in office. I think that might be news. Ron Paul is morally right in 95% of his views. You may not understand them all, however they have your best intrest in mind. I guess individual freedoms for U.S. Citizens and individuals abroad is not a serious issue for a reporter like yourself. What about having the local and state govenment play a role and getting the federal government get out of the way. I guess just not that serious.

David Rairigh

June 10th, 2011
4:47 pm

As a libertarian I believe that government should do what it was empowered to do in the Constitution…Ron Paul also believes this idea of a Constitutionally-limited government. Why is this such a confusing concept?

Rick Parker

June 10th, 2011
4:55 pm

Why is it hard to take Ron Paul seriously? Has he flipflopped on any issue? Has he supported any issues in an unserious or unthoughtful manner?

Maybe you have read too many comments from people who write the exact same thing you just wrote without checking him our for yourself.

Ron Paul is completely serious and he is RIGHT!

By the way, saying Ron Paul is a perpetual candidate is more of the same smear tactic. When Obama runs for the second time in 2012, will he suddenly become a pepetual candidate? What about Mitt Romney?

Stop the smears and stick to the facts please.

Beth

June 10th, 2011
4:57 pm

It’s not hard for me to take Ron Paul seriously. The one thing that attracts me most to his candidacy are his foreign policy views. We don’t need to police the world. We don’t need troops stationed in 100 something countries. We don’t need to spend more on defense that the rest of the world combined. We don’t need to be attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan and Yemen. That’s a tremendous amount of money and lives spent. We could better use that money at home in any number of ways. Ron Paul is against the multiple wars, the Patriot Act and the bank bailouts. That’s what I’m voting on next year.

0311/0317 -1811/1801

June 10th, 2011
5:04 pm

Cynthia:

I heard something interesting this afternoon.

The Washington Post, the N.Y. Times (and probably others) are ready to “pounce” on the 24,000 or so emails sent by Ms. Palin but released under the Freedom of Information Act. They are even recruiting proofreading “mobs” to look them over for intelligence, politcal commets, juicy stuff, dirt or just plain mispellings.

All this and we don’t even know who Obama is (and I’m not talking about where he was born). All of “his” writings, papers, grades, etc, etc., etc. have been sealed and a host of attorneys on standby to make sure it stays that way.

What’s up with that ???

Billybob, aka 'tucker translator'

June 10th, 2011
5:05 pm

you even play class warfare with the soldiers…..well done lib……this marxist tenet is blinding you, along with race yo’…

Tim

June 10th, 2011
5:09 pm

I take Ron Paul very seriously. You have it right on his non-interventionist polices, but I suggest that you learn more about his fiscal policies.

You’ll discover that the Federal Reserve isn’t really a government entity, they are a private bank. They care first about their profits, and care very little about the American people. By their manipulation of the currency, and their centralized economic policies, they are systematically devaluing our currency to where it is now worth pennies compared to when the FED was formed in 1913.

The role of the Federal governement is clearly outlined in the constitution. Any powers not expressly given in the constitution belong to the people and the states. This has been warped over the last 150 years, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be corrected.

I hope that your readers will take the time to learn about Ron Paul and to make up their own minds.

Ron Paul 2012 – record over rhetoric!

Michael M.

June 10th, 2011
5:14 pm

Ron Paul doesn’t just get foreign policy right, he gets just about everything right. Spending trillions on wars to fight people who are mad at us for occupying their land for resources & propping up repressive regimes does not solve the terrorist problem, it makes it worse. Spending billions fighting & locking people up for drug prohibition hasn’t stopped use or access, it has produced millions of criminals. Spending trillions bailing out wall street gamblers and failed companies has not stopped the real estate depression or sinking job market, it has made the situation worse. Spending billions regulating & subsidizing food & drugs on behalf of big business has produced an unhealthy and unsustainable system. Spending billions on federally controlled education has produced nothing more than propaganda pitching & a race to the bottom. I could go on and on. Of course, all this terrible meddling has been facilitated by a federal government without Constitutional constraint & an all to happy to facilitate Federal Reserve.

Laws no matter how noble in intent, rarely produce their intended goals (often, they are counterproductive with unintended consequences) at astronomical costs. Laws cannot stop people from doing stupid things, either. The bigger the bill & the fancier the name, the more likely it is to be a total disaster. It’s time to bring the power of the economy back to the people… it’s time for liberty.

Rockerbabe

June 10th, 2011
5:14 pm

“But his anti-war views and his attacks on military spending are beginning to resonate even among the GOP base, a constituency that prides itself on a muscular patriotism”

So how come most of the GOP did not enlist to fight in one of the two wars we are emgaged in at the moment?

So how come so many of the GOP didn’t enlist in the military to fight in one of the two Bush wars? Patriotic, my foot!

Our deficits are so big because of the two unpaid for wars, the Plan D part of Medicare and the financial meltdown fueled by junk real estate bonds. So just who does Ron Paul thinks he is fooling?

Chris

June 10th, 2011
5:20 pm

Indeed, it’s incredible that the idea of scaling back government (which Ron Paul holds) is seen as “extreme” or “not serious”. Why is the liberal, big-government Statist position not seen as far, far more ludicrous? When the unfunded liabilities of U.S. welfare programs are TWICE the GDP of the entire world, that’s obviously a HUGE problem. Our debt is not just $14 trillion; it’s more in the neighborhood of $111 trillion because of that entitlement shortfall. That’s exactly why it’s being said that we’re bankrupt. Those aren’t inflated figures – they’re Federal Reserve Bank figures. Take a look at usdebtclock.org sometime if you think people are exaggerating.

Ron Paul will win the presidency because people have had enough. It’s not about little pet social causes anymore.

brody

June 10th, 2011
5:22 pm

So I guess balanced budgets, sound money, states rights, ending the wars (including the war on drugs) and following a sensible foreign policy, using the Constitution as a guide, and promoting freedom in all areas of life, are not “serious” positions. What I don’t understand is why progressives are so afraid to be in agreement with Ron Paul on most core issues like these (aside from the war issue). That doesn’t mean they have to agree on everything, but they seem to be getting caught in the same divide and conquer trap set by the establishment every time.

Jason

June 10th, 2011
5:30 pm

“It’s hard to take Congressman Ron Paul, perpetual presidential candidate, seriously. The Texas Republican is a committed libertarian — which means he doesn’t think government should do much of anything.”

I take him seriously, it’s not hard. I hate these types of comments as they are only meant to make Ron Paul seem irrelevant. It’s simply NOT true.

I would not describe Ron Paul as a “libertarian” but rather as a “Constitutional Conservative”. Many of his positions derive from the Constitution, which happen to be “libertarian” in nature. Some of his positions are also conservative such as abortion and marriage.

He doesn’t think the Federal government is meant to do much of anything because that is what the Constitution says. I find that many Americans do not understand the Constitution. Most should pick it up and read it or re-read it. It’s not that long of a read anyways and would put our current situation into proper perspective.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 10th, 2011
5:31 pm

brody, so-called “progressives” are can’t agree with Paul because if they did, they’d lose their power and their god–big intrusive government–would die.

Hale

June 10th, 2011
5:33 pm

“The cost of Afghanistan — about $8 billion a month — is clearly more than we can afford.”

And about one-fourth of it winds up in the offshore bank accounts of Karzai and friends. We needed to be out there several years ago, think of the billions we would’ve saved not to mention the human lives.

Nick

June 10th, 2011
5:45 pm

I completely agree it is time to end the wars. Ron Paul is the only candidate with the courage to stand up to the establishment. Not only do we need to end the wars, but vastly reform foreign aid. We are giving money to prosperous countries when we cannot even pay our own debt. Something has to change. Ron Paul 2012: Liberty and Justice for all.

Moderate Line

June 10th, 2011
5:53 pm

Last month, in a little noticed vote, 28 Republicans, including three who serve on the House Armed Services Committee, joined House Democrats attempting to force President Barack Obama to draw down troops from Afghanistan even faster than he has pledged. The amendment failed, but its sponsors will likely bring it back in a few months.

Who can blame them? The invasion of Afghanistan was justified to rout the Taliban, which had given shelter to Osama bin Laden and his band of terrorists. But a decade later, with bin Laden buried at sea, there is little reason to continue a costly effort to build democracy in a corrupt, tribal corner of the world.
++++++++++++++
It has been an interesting twist of history of how the Dems under FDR were such interventionist to how the Republicans became the interventionist. Dems as late as LBJ were interventionist. I believe the pro-business lobby is slowly going back to its pre WWII stance of being ant-war. Business being anti-tax should also be anti-war.

KEVIN

June 10th, 2011
5:56 pm

The Race is down to two canidates, conservative small government Ron Paul and big government liberal Mitt Romney.
Conservatives like myself would not vote in the last election for macain and we will not vote for someone like romney

Brian

June 10th, 2011
6:00 pm

It isn’t what Ron Paul thinks., Its what the CONSTITUTION says.!! Small Government!! Why is it soo hard for these idiots to FACTUALLY state Paul’s positions???

mike

June 10th, 2011
6:03 pm

Ron Paul is a true American I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY we need a correction in politics and MR RON PAUL IS JUST THE TICKET

KEVIN

June 10th, 2011
6:09 pm

this is Ron Pauls third attemt at the presidentsy, guess who else took three times. Reagan. Ron Paul 2012.

saywhat?

June 10th, 2011
6:09 pm

The reason Ron Paul isn’t taken seriuosly as a candidate is because most of the policies he advocates would be rejected by most voters out of hand. His interpretation of the Constitution is hardly mainstream, let alone definitively correct. He would have us end Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, regulatory agencies etc in a misguided attempt to achieve a libertarian utopia. Unfortunately, Utopia doesn’t exist, and never will. What WOULD happen would be the descent of the U.S. to third world nation status. He would finish the job that Bush started and Obama has struggled to undo.

trotterpm

June 10th, 2011
6:12 pm

“It’s hard to take Congressman Ron Paul, perpetual presidential candidate, seriously. The Texas Republican is a committed libertarian — which means he doesn’t think government should do much of anything.”

Its not hard for me, being that I am a reasonable, pragmatic person and not a pundit. I have rarly heard anyone except the press and political opponents take Doctor Paul as less than serious.

Whats more is I am amazed at the faith so many journalists have in our federal goverment. Most of what I watch and read smacks of statist propaganda.

The federal government is supposed to be small. The constitution was written to bind it. Thats we have seperation of powers, term limits, and a Bill or Rights.

The growing American goverment makes lots of new laws every year, often in violation of the Constitution. Each new law, almost without exception, makes us less free.

We have only 4% of the worlds population, and 25% of the worlds prison population. How free are we?

I take Doctor Paul very seriously.

Paul Dugas

June 10th, 2011
6:12 pm

…this illustrates people of both parties are finding common ground. I see dialogue between Right and Left, for common action against war. Great article Cynthia.

Revolution Calling – Ron Paul 2012

buster collins

June 10th, 2011
6:16 pm

A special vehicle just went down your street, very slowly. Were you looking?

jakrio

June 10th, 2011
6:26 pm

A silent war has been declared on Ron Paul by all the major media outlets. It’s nice to see you writing about him, but the seriousness of his candidacy can’t be debated. He isn’t looking for some utopia where everyone pulls their own weight, just as Obama isn’t looking for a utopia where no one works and lives lushly. It’s all about the little moves to move government in one direction or the other. I can’t be objective, I am a huge fan of Mr. Paul’s, but I don’t see how most of his policies would be rejected by Americans.
#1 Get out of the international policing business. (Sounds good to me!)
#2 Get our monetary system back to a gold standard (Worked for a looooooong time!)
#3 End the War on Drugs (Just look at our prison population, duh!)
#4 Change from a debt loving society to one that saves (You wouldn’t have to have SS or Medicare if you could hold onto your savings and not worry about inflation destroying said saving, etc.)

Joe M

June 10th, 2011
6:30 pm

“It’s hard to take Congressman Ron Paul, perpetual presidential candidate, seriously. The Texas Republican is a committed libertarian — which means he doesn’t think government should do much of anything.”

Now that’s just silly. The government has been doing just about everything under the sun, and see how well that’s turned out.

Grant

June 10th, 2011
6:30 pm

@saywhat said: “Unfortunately, Utopia doesn’t exist, and never will.”

Interesting accusation from someone living in a fairy tale society built on borrowed money. What we have today – our entitlement programs, huge bureaucracy, consumer economy, and expansive foreign policy – is all an illusion. It’s phony because it has all been built and propped up with debt and it cannot be sustained. Do you really think that a government that stays within its contractual confines and does not spend more than it raises is “utopian”? Because that’s what Dr. Paul is proposing. I sincerely hope, for all our sake, that you are wrong.

On the really big issues that affect our society, Bush and Obama are indistinguishable in their visions of “utopia”: more war, more spending, more borrowing, more regulation, less civil liberties, more monetary debasement. You want something more than superficially different you’ll have to look at Ron.

SaveOurRepublic

June 10th, 2011
6:36 pm

Ron Paul is one of the (very) rare, proven Constitutionalists on the Hill. He’s a true (paleo)conservative and not a NeoCON/Globalist puppet like Newt “CFR” Gingrich, 9/11 profiteer Rudy “Ghouliani” & Romney. Dr.Paul is “Founding Father” material.

Silent Majority

June 10th, 2011
6:37 pm

Goodness, I surely didn’t know that the military was exclusively democrat. All the soldiers I have talked to, and there have been several, were pro-Bush and anti-Obama.

RonTimeForChange

June 10th, 2011
7:06 pm

Ron Paul is the man :) It is funny how he was put aside in the last election, and how his voice now resonates a lot more.

Mike

June 10th, 2011
7:07 pm

“It’s hard to take Congressman Ron Paul, perpetual presidential candidate, seriously. The Texas Republican is a committed libertarian — which means he doesn’t think government should do much of anything.”

This is the most twisted and unprofessional piece of writing I have ever read. It is much easier to take Dr. Paul seriously than any liberal dictator that thinks they should have full control over our lives as citizens. What do you think the Revolutionary War was even about? Taxation without representation and an intrusive government. That’s exactly what we are getting today. Were in the constitution is it written that Federal Government is here to redistribute wealth so NOBODY gets left behind. All that does is hinder progress. America was founded on its citizens being free to make their own way and work toward their own success. The Federal Government shouldn’t be handing out assistance and calling it “entitlement”. This type of thing should come from charitable organizations, because that’s what it is, charity.

Amy

June 10th, 2011
7:12 pm

Decent article, but I disagree with the “perpetual candidate” part.

I was an independent, quite irritated with Bush and the alleged pro-peace Dems who didn’t have the spine (or are knowingly part of the problem), when I came across Ron Paul. Most of the GOP are such warhawks that I only watched the primary debates just to see who was the least terrible. Then Ron Paul spoke about our military engagements and blowback…and I didn’t believe he was for real. This was the TRUTH being broadcast by a major network, spoken by a politician…huh?

So I researched him extensively. I looked up his votes. I learned the basis of his philosophy and while I don’t agree 100%, I’m right there with about 95%…it was the most amazing education I’ve ever had on history, philosophy and this country (after an abysmal public school education.)

Look up Ron Paul’s views not just on the wars, but on the drug war, state’s rights and liberty in general. He is a gem among turds. He is consistent. He is fair. He is ethical.

In regards to the few comments about his opinions on Medicare/Medicaid/SS, etc., understand that his main priority is to end corporate welfare, warfare, foreign welfare and ultimately put a plan in place to gradually either give people options other than Medicare and Social Security and slowly phase it out as to cause as little harm to the American people as possible.

In the above scenario, American people are far better equipped to survive should the country go bankrupt, after all, what government “gives,” they can also take away, brutally.

Jessica

June 10th, 2011
7:15 pm

The reason he’s had to run for President three times is because some people STILL don’t get it.

Our economy is moving into a “double-dip”. The truth is, it never left the first dip. It was simply masked by artificial debt-financed “stimulus” by the Fed. We are in a depression.

We can’t get our spending under control, and as Paul points out, this is going to bring our overseas empire to an abrupt end, rather than a more planned out withdrawal. Promises made by politicians who refuse to cut any spending will be broken on Medicare and Social Security.

Our politicians in Washington are betraying us by their runaway spending, and now they want to increase the debt limit and signal to our creditors that we have no intention of getting our spending under control.

We are truly screwed if we don’t elect a President Paul in 2012.

Obama and Bernanke are pretending everything is just fine and there is nothing behind the curtain, but they won’t be able to pretend for much longer. This country is way over-leveraged and over-extended. And even committed liberals like Cynthia Tucker will be left scratching their heads wondering why “Government” couldn’t make everything magically get better.

Cal Elson

June 10th, 2011
7:24 pm

Ron Paul ran in 2008, and he’s running again. So is Mitt Romney — is he a “perpetual candidate” too? Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian 24 years ago. You don’t have to take that campaign seriously, but I for one hope he keeps running until the American people decide to reclaim their freedom, and vote him into the White House.

justamom

June 10th, 2011
7:27 pm

@saywhat, why are you commenting on what you do not understand? Ron Paul has the only plan to save the bankrupt SS & Medicare plans for the people who have become dependent on them by bringing all foreign military and aid spending to a complete halt. Think of the stimulus effect of recycling all those dollars into our own economy! He would remove the mandate for those who want to opt out of SS & Medicare. He would legalize competing currencies so that when the Federal Reserve (debt) notes are finally worthless, we will have alternate currencies in place in order to trade & survive. He is not against state or county regulations, only Federal rules, regulations and mandates! Please do some research so that you can understand.

buster collins

June 10th, 2011
7:30 pm

While Part-time Tucker refuses to chime in on yet another of her disgraced cohorts, intellectual honesty requires a response.

The notion an elected official can display sound judgment when it comes to public policy while using poor judgment in private is asinine. Tucker is quick to condemn religious figures but silent when one of her ilk is painfully exposed.

Shame of her. She is discredited for all time. Defenders of her are as well. Her presence in public discourse is over. There is no argument otherwise. Get over it and go on. She is as done as Gingrich. Stay here and be an idiot. No one cares, and no one should.

What a profound imbecile she has become. It is done.

Tom Middleton

June 10th, 2011
7:32 pm

Sorry I missed your column yesterday, Cynthia, but it was your best one ever – sum, substance, and crystal-clear style!

I know some liberals have their contradictions, but nothing compared to those among Christianity who endorse Ayn Rand.

And they think they’re going where when they die? If it’s to see the Godless Rand, I’m absolutely certain they’re right!

Bob Vondruska

June 10th, 2011
7:38 pm

This article is entitled “What Ron Paul gets right”, yet after the first two very short paragraphs, it becomes nothing more than a gripe session by the author, and Ron Paul is no longer mentioned.

Since this article does not say much at all about Ron Paul, I will name some important things that Ron Paul does get right.
1. The economy is in shambles because of gross mismanagement by our leaders.
2. Our dollar is being devalued by the worthless counterfeit that the Federal Reserve prints out of thin air.
3. We can’t continue to be the world’s policeman.
4. The IRS has to go!
5. Our troops need to come home.
6. The other candidates (except for Gary Johnson) are all part of the status Quo.

Ron Paul for President in 2012!!

ed helmstetter

June 10th, 2011
7:38 pm

it`s hard to take this author seriously-but perhaps she can tell us all what the role of government should be since ron paul is clearly way off base…..

jt

June 10th, 2011
7:39 pm

Even if Dr. Paul doesn’t win the Big Government Republican Primary……………I will vote for him in the general election.
.
How could anyone else that has a soul do otherwise?

BA

June 10th, 2011
8:17 pm

I am voting for Ron Paul. He is the only candidate we can trust.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 10th, 2011
8:19 pm

Government-run education sucks out loud, so perhaps Ron Paul is on to something.

Paddy O

June 10th, 2011
8:32 pm

wow, this is a revelation – a discussion on the talk of the cost of running the military, and NO comments about the excursion into Libya, that has virtually no national security impact. The cover for Obozo continues unabated.

Paddy O

June 10th, 2011
8:33 pm

Tom – are Christians seeking religious advice/consultation/sermons from Ms. Rand?

Paddy O

June 10th, 2011
8:36 pm

ask a Greek to translate “utopia” – the definition just might surprise you.

Paddy O

June 10th, 2011
8:39 pm

say what – you believe that trash you wrote? Obozo is saving us? From what, fiscal responsiblity? The ability to say something in earnest and actually have a desire to implement those spoken words? Try again.

oldguy

June 10th, 2011
9:33 pm

CT,
EVERYONE is anti-war. As a vietnam vet and a retired Air Force Crew commander I think I can speak for most in the military. They are not pro-war. They do however understand the need for a strong defense; and defense, in modern terms, may also involve taking the offense. Going after the enemy before they come after you, especially in the age of total terrorists who look to kill as many innocents as possible.
Bush was STUPID to go into IRAQ, but not for the reasons you libs like to expound. He thought he could give a largely industralized Muslim country a chance at a free elective government. It may yet work, but it is looking bleaker by the week. dumping Sadam stopped the murder of Kurds and Shiea (sp) Muslims, but as most of the Middle East is beginning to show, Muslim and tolerance are apparently oil and water.
BUT:
If we don’t go after the bases of terrorism then when and where? after a nuke in downtown NYC? after a biological attack on DC?
Look at history, FDR was in a panic prior to Pearl Harbor that the US would fail to act in WW2 until the Axis was unbeatable; think jets and the a-bomb. He pushed Japan until they felt like they had to attack, only then did we get into the war, and there was a real possibility that we would not declare war on Germany.
SO,
Military actions cause casualities, its been true since the Romans, If we are unwilling to incur casualities we might as well surrender now.

"What Ron Paul Get's Right...."

June 10th, 2011
9:35 pm

“……..the part where he agrees with me………”

–Cynthia Tucker

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 10th, 2011
10:10 pm

“Obozo is saving us? From what, fiscal responsiblity?”
——————–

Post of the day.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 10th, 2011
10:15 pm

CT: Some arm-chair hawks like Dick Cheney and John Bolton will, of course, continue to insist on waging wars and sending other people’s children to die in them.
——————————

Some folks are so busy regurgitating the lines they heard on Olberman’s old show that they don’t stop to reflect on such things as their own Idiot Messiah’s military experience.

jconservative

June 10th, 2011
10:18 pm

0311/0317 -1811/1801 June 10th, 2011 5:04 pm

Re Palin’s e-mails released and Obama’s records not released. The difference is Palin’s e-mails as a public employee paid by taxpayer dollars were released. The Obama papers you question are private records from private institutions. All of his public records have been released.

That is the difference.

jconservative

June 10th, 2011
10:46 pm

Cynthia this is maybe the best column you have written in months.

Nice to see you lean to the right. I realize it is just on this issue but we welcome the support.

I guess every other generation has to learn the real cost of war. I am from the Viet Nam War and I learned my lesson in 1968-1969.

The real puzzling part of the massive public support for the Iraq and Afghanistan “wars” is that both wars quickly turned into efforts to build new nations for Muslims. Yet the same people who supported the building of new nations for Muslims were opposed to allowing Muslims to build Mosque in NY, Tenn. and other places.

Why is it OK for American taxpayers to spend 6000 American lives and a Trillion Taxpayer Dollars to build Muslims two new nations but it is not OK for Muslims to build Mosques with their own money? And now part of the same crowd want to go full speed ahead and build the Muslims a new nation in Libya.

Why don’t we build something for Americans? Say repair the interstate highways and repair all the bridges and overpasses? We have been building new highways and bridges in Iraq and Afghanistan for a decade,

And I agree with a lot of you, on Iraq and Afghanistan the only difference between Bush and Obama is the spelling of their names.

twegi

June 10th, 2011
11:09 pm

Author states “The Texas Republican is a committed libertarian — which means he doesn’t think government should do much of anything”, This is an incorrect assessment of Ron Paul and Libertarianism. Ron Paul think the Federal government should only do what is legally allowed to do under the Constitution, all other rights and authorities are reserved for the States and the People. The People at the local level knows what is best for their own communities and does it more efficiently.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 10th, 2011
11:12 pm

“The People at the local level know what is best for their own communities and does it more efficiently.”
——————

You have committed blasphemy against the Idiot Messiah.

Good Grief

June 10th, 2011
11:48 pm

“The Texas Republican is a committed libertarian — which means he doesn’t think government should do much of anything.”
_____

I don’t agree with everything Paul says, but I did like it when he said that government was not empowered by the Constitution, but rather was restrained by the Constitution. Whether you agree with that or not, to me it’s obvious that government has far exceeded the bounds placed on it by the framers of the Constitution. It’s not that we Libertarians think that government shouldn’t do much. We understand the importance of government. We just think that government should live within its means as set forth by the Constitution.

1776

June 11th, 2011
12:16 am

Audit & abolish the (private) “Fed” & their collection agency the IRS…support Dr.Ron Paul for POTUS in 2012!

Mitchell

June 11th, 2011
1:32 am

So over these democrats who put party over principle (aka the writer of this article). What was the purpose of that first sentence? Oh yeah, absolutely nothing other than trying to persuade your dozens of readers to not consider Paul in 2012. What a joke this newspaper is. Democrats, such as the one who wrote this, should do NOTHING but PRAISE Dr Paul – hell, he has been fighting for multiple, major issues that you all allegedly supported in Obama in 2008, for over 30 years now. Not to mention, he’s the only U.S. Veteran in this presidential campaign – so give the man some respect, and quit trying to throw dumb little digs in every piece you all write. Every time I see garbage like this, it gets clearer and clearer to me why the MSM is sinking quicker than the Titanic, and alternative press is spreading like wildfire.

Jilly4Libertu

June 11th, 2011
2:34 am

It’s not about liberal vs conservative or neo-con vs libertarian-con It’s LIBERTY VS TYRANNY (Ps. The libertarian party only formed because the Republicans lost their minds and some people care more about principles than winning elections- just to say “nananana we won. we got a complete douchebag elected but at least he wasnt a democrat”
As a lifelong libertarian who has always wished the Republicans would go back to their original politics- I have to say I prefer the dems. At least they SAY they want big gov. and then vote that way, all of the damn rinos say they want small government… and then you get ppl like bush. Liberal ideals are VERY HUMANITARIAN. They are more libertarian than they realize. Where the dems get it wrong is they think they can LEGISLATE the evil and negativity out of the world. It’s a fairy tale that won’t come true. When you give a bureaucracy the POWER to direct people’s lives… they’re going to make mistakes… and NEVER CORRECT THEM> at least in a free country, when you try something and it DOESN’T WORK, or an intelligent person comes up and points out to you that what you’re doing DOESN’T WORK, then you just STOP what you’re doing and TRY SOMETHING ELSE! When’s the last time you heard of a law being repealed???????? Do you REALLY think that every law in this country is just SO spectacular that it doesn’t deserve at least some scrutiny???
The point is, not every person knows best how to run their lives. But that doesn’t give us the right to force them to do it our way, via the FORCE of law. Dems- even if you don’t take a look at libertarianism and its principles. or realize that Ron Paul being an honest, not power hungry politician is the best thing for our country, I want to ask you something. When is the last time you tried to personally change a person’s mind about their lives instead of just voting to have someone else do it for you?

Jilly4Liberty

June 11th, 2011
2:38 am

@Jilly4Liberty (continuation)

That goes for Republicans as well. And if it doesn’t apply, let it fly, but are u trying to educate your fellow man or are you dumping that on the politicians to handle for u?

Bob

June 11th, 2011
3:29 am

So CT, how would you feel if the KKK were attacking Americans and the government told the citizens that we could not afford to arrest or prosecute the people responsible?

No problem with that, right?

Security is security. People have a problem with cutting police and firefighters, but libs love to call for the cutting of defense spending (just like Ron Paul).

Look in the Constitution and it states that one of the most important jobs of the federal government is to provide for the common defence (first sentence in the preamble).

I looked hard but did not see abortion, food stamps, welfare, etc. listed anywhere.

Sam Bryan

June 11th, 2011
4:04 am

Cynthia, I think you are confused in your terms. It’s quite easy to take Ron Paul very seriously, especially because it’s so obvious that he seriously believes what he says to be true. Perhaps what you meant to say was “it’s hard for me to AGREE with Ron Paul.”

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 11th, 2011
6:44 am

President Bush on home ownership (this explains a lot about how we got into the housing and financial meltdowns):

“We have to remember that there are millions of people…who believe that home ownership is out of reach. They may be paying monthly rents that could cover a mortgage payment. They may scrape to save, but a downpayment is still out of reach. They are locked out by rigid restrictions or by a home-buying system just…too difficult or too frightening. And that is not right.

One of the great successes of the United States in this century has been the partnership forged by the National Government and the private sector to steadily expand the dream of home ownership to all Americans. In 1934, President Roosevelt created the Federal Housing Administration and made home ownership available to millions of Americans who couldn’t afford it before that.

Our economic strategy includes a commitment to work to provide decent, safe, affordable homes to all Americans and to do it with an alliance of the public and private sector.”
———————-

There you have it.

Except the speaker was Bill Clinton.

Joel Edge

June 11th, 2011
6:56 am

Cynthia
While you’re trying to portray American soldiers as poor individuals with no options but the military, would you also explain why most of the military consistently vote Republican. Could be there are people who enter this “highly-skilled, all-volunteer Armed Forces” with the belief that this country is worth defending and not because they are “without many professional options”. I have been in and out of the military for over 22 years since 1976. I’m sick and tired of the condescension and backhanded insults that constantly come from the liberal media as it relates to military service.

Toby

June 11th, 2011
6:58 am

Where did the Paul backers come from, I thought you were all voting for Cain?

Toby

June 11th, 2011
7:00 am

A 72 year old man dosen’t have a chance in the job market, unless you want the job of prez. What a country!

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 11th, 2011
7:33 am

What Ron Paul gets right
3:55 pm June 10, 2011, by ctucker
—————————-

This, immediately following your post on Christians and Ayn Rand, where you implied it was impossible for real Christians to draw from Objectivism?

Sorry, Cynthia, but according to your logic, it’s in for a dime, in for a dollar. You don’t get to agree with Rand on anything unless you agree with everything, right?

Hypocrite.

Jack

June 11th, 2011
7:54 am

“…extend unemployment benefits…”. Employers pay the benefits that Tucker champions: not Congress.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 11th, 2011
8:24 am

At the end of the day, people who work for a living AND pay income taxes are paying for those 99-week vacations so many Democrats are on.

Obama 2012

June 11th, 2011
8:29 am

Ron Paul is a retard. You guys just can’t find a suitable candidate. Dumbya? McCAN’T? PAINlin? The Morman? DUMP? Fig Newton? WOW… and I thought you guys were “patriotic”.

Gator Joe

June 11th, 2011
8:47 am

Cynthia,
The problem with Ron Paul is that when you vote for, or support, him you’re getting the sum of his ideas not just the few reasonable ones he has. What is most appealing about him, for the Conservatives, the Right-Wing, and the Tea Party, is that he is white and he has an “R” behind his name. His shortcommings for those same people is that he is intelligent and can speak coherently.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 11th, 2011
8:58 am

Gator Joe: Racist.

BBG

June 11th, 2011
9:50 am

The 911 War has gone on long enough. Soon, as the years pass, the combatants will forget what started the 911 War and keep fighting anyway, like the hundert year war.

ANd that’s just plain dumber.

Schrodinger's cat

June 11th, 2011
11:59 am

Obama 2012 – “The Morman” ?…

Schrodinger's cat

June 11th, 2011
12:14 pm

Gator Joe..really?

Kamchak

June 11th, 2011
1:52 pm

Clint

June 11th, 2011
2:17 pm

Lets look at this objectivly for a second. What program/department that the Federal gov’t has been a part of is successful right now? Healthcare? Nope, rampant inflation and decreasing quality. Education? Thats a joke. Social Security? Who here that is under the age of 50 thinks they will see a dime of that? And the big one, the Economy? A reported 9.1% unemployment (and that’s just the people that are still actively looking for Jobs it is closer to twice that).

Gas and food prices are spiking all over the country and whats our incredibly wise leaderships plan to fix all this? More spending and borrowing/printing more money. And Paul is the candidate you can’t take seriously. This country has really gone to crap. Paul is this countries only chance to avoid a complete collapse and the media either completly ignores him (like in 08) or discredits him by saying he has no chance or some other BS.

martin the calvinist

June 11th, 2011
2:21 pm

it’s hard to take you seriously Cynthia because of your blind faith in government to solve all the worlds woes. Though I agree waging war for the past decade has been grossly expensive, waging war on poverty, giving federal employees, elected and non elected huge retirement plans, giving people medical insurance and food help with no cost to them, paying out more than is taking in to give “common” folk retirement and medical insurance has played a huge role in what we face in deficit spending is playing a bigger role than you will ever admit. Please just admit you believe in wealth redistribution, because that is your stance. You find that principle in the Communist Manifesto.

Kamchak

June 11th, 2011
2:24 pm

…or discredits him by saying he has no chance or some other BS.

Polling at 8% is not just “saying” he has no chance, sport.

Polling at 8% “means” he has no chance.

Kamchak

June 11th, 2011
2:43 pm

Joenjr

June 11th, 2011
3:21 pm

Cynthia, this is an excellent article.

The heart of the article immediately takes away from the subject “What Ron Paul gets right” and even past the opening paragraph regarding taking him seriously. It causes me to pause – as I often do – when articles like this one is written with so much clarity regarding the cost of war, both financial and more importantly, the human sacrifice.

Ron Paul is (very) right about some things, but the electorate is who doesn’t take him seriously. He never gets more single-digits in the vote count when he runs. Yet, he runs, and runs and runs. While so many champion his views as an end all too all political stances, few (or certainly not enough) show up t vote for him.

Reading some of the comments, it’s illusionary at best, the description of those who so often, and so quickly, lash out the messenger (you) and fails to process the message (your profound thoughts). So some of us still question your and my patriotism, your and my dissent against endless war, your and my right to call it as it is, and your and my right to not want to be a perpetual sucker. It always Hillary’s and Obama’s fault, although they weren’t the ones who made a literal fool out of most of us.

I wonder how many of your critics have family members who have paid the ultimate sacrifice with the loss of a beloved son or daughter. I hope these same people are just as willing and eager to pony up “more” than their fairs hare to cover the financial cost. After all, the bill collector is coming to a mailbox with your name on it too.

Keep on articulating the truth as is Cynthia.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 11th, 2011
3:22 pm

Do you agree with Cheney?

Kamchak

June 11th, 2011
3:32 pm

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 11th, 2011
3:36 pm

The folks who applied the shellacking last November think deficits matter.

bxnyc

June 11th, 2011
5:48 pm

All you Ron Paul supporters who bristle at the thought that because he is liberterian and supports your one demensional view of the constitution he should be revered. The man knows he will never be president, but, he also knows that you and yours will keep supporting him and sending your hard earned money while not understanding he has no chance. Even his own party would oppose him if he got lucky enough(which he wont) become president. Instead of being a spoiled child, look at the viable possiblites and choose. If you decide to sit out 2012 then you are at fault for electing the president you dont want. In my mind, fence sitters are people who want the I TOLD YOU SO OPTION.Make a choice dont blow smoke.

"information becomes a distraction ... " -- BHO

June 11th, 2011
5:57 pm

Ron Paul is the Godfather and spark that lit The Tea Party. CT will never understand.

Sarah Palin and the other wannabes have corrupted his message.

No foreign wars, no federal reserve, individual liberty, states rights and limited constitutional government.

Dr/Rep Paul is wrong about a few topics – example abortion, but he’s a hell of a lot better for our nation than Obama could ever dream about.

Audit the FED !!

"information becomes a distraction ... " -- BHO

June 11th, 2011
6:06 pm

OMG – the sky is gray and it looks like it might rain in Cobb county. PLEASE RAIN !!!

BTW – I’d vote for Weiner b4 I vote for Palin.

Sincerely – Tea Party member b4 is was trendy…. They used to laugh and mock us. They still mock us but they ain’t laughing anymore.

Attack us more please… We are gaining strength with every report on the debt and economy….

B Cosby

June 11th, 2011
7:15 pm

Tucker would rather go after someone like Ron Paul while overlooking the elephant in the room. One of her liberal democratic brothern has discraced the magical party of her always wrong Obama, and she does not have the courage to address this issue. Andrew Weiner has shown the true colors of the democratic party by trying to lie his way out of a problem, then trying to come clean. But where is Tucker and the other libs on this issue? Their heads are buried in the sand, going after someone and trying to deflect attention to an innocent part. Tucker you a true POS. And who really cares aboun you poor mama’s hard-pressed Alabama town. Did the bank close and now they can’t cash the welfare checks? Maybe Barry can bail them out with more entitlements, god forbid they actually go out and look for more work.