Georgia’s big secret: State needs illegal workers

WASHINGTON — I’m going to let you in on a big secret, a closely-held and dirty truth about Georgia’s farmers: They depend on immigrants, some of whom are here illegally.

What’s that? You knew that already? Not such a secret?

Well, Georgia’s agri-business leaders are posing and posturing as if it is. They dare not admit that they need the sweat and toil of migrant laborers so much that they are not always fastidious about searching for legal documents.

But the gut-busting pressures of a harsh new Georgia law targeting illegal immigrants — modeled after a controversial law in Arizona — may force farmers to speak the truth out loud. At the very least, it may force them to campaign openly for a broad immigration reform proposal that grants legal status to illegal laborers.

It’s not looking like a good year for many of Georgia’s farmers, who were already struggling with a warming earth. As drought conditions worsen in some portions of the state — upgraded from moderate to severe — searing heat and stingy rainfall are yellowing leaves and stunting crops.

Now, some of those lucky enough to reap bountiful harvests may be forced to leave fruits and vegetables in the fields for want of enough hands to pick the onions and tomatoes, beans and watermelons. Farmers have complained that some of their seasonal workers from Mexico, Guatemala and other points south have failed to show up, frightened away by the new law, which takes effect July 1, and its promise of increased scrutiny of those with Spanish surnames.

Dick Minor, president of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable

Growers Association, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that some migrant workers are skipping Georgia because they fear harassment. “People are just saying, ‘I am not going to Georgia. The law is terrible. We are going to get in trouble there. Let’s just go on.’ They have options. And what they are saying is, ‘Georgia is not the place to go,’ “ he told reporter Jeremy Redmon.

(For what it’s worth, the labor shortage casts doubt on

the old canard that illegal immigrants are taking jobs from hardworking American citizens, a reliable set-piece in arguments from nativist diehards. Even at an average wage of $12.50 or so an hour, native-born Georgians aren’t eager to take the work the fields offer — dirty, joint-maiming, miserably hot and impermanent. Once you’ve picked one crop, you must move to another state for a different harvest.)

Still, Minor and other agri-business leaders continue to insist that they only hire legally — and that the new law has scared away workers with green cards or other legal documents. That may be. It’s certainly easy to imagine that workers who don’t wish to be harassed would avoid a state that has hung out an unwelcome sign.

But it’s also likely that some of those workers don’t have legal documents and fear deportation. Hints of that abound — including a recent history wherein Georgia farmers complained to their Congressional delegation when federal agents raided their fields.

There are also the frequent complaints about the federal program that governs guest workers, a system that allows temporary laborers to enter the country legally. Many Georgia farmers complain it is too bureaucratic and costly to use. So how many of them rely, instead, on workers whose papers are suspect?

Georgia farmers aren’t the likeliest allies of immigration reform activists, but necessity can create strange alliances. The fields need strong backs and willing hands, and there aren’t enough of those around.

279 comments Add your comment

Not Blind

June 3rd, 2011
10:10 am

So what you are saying is that the plantation owners gotta have slaves or else ? What we have to do is find a NEW WAY FORWARD. Real, positive, CHANGE. To bad Obama was just trying to get elected when he spoke of CHANGE.

Cobb Woman of Color

June 3rd, 2011
10:13 am

The inmates in Georgia’s prisons should be used on the farms. The money they make can go back to the state to pay for their stint in prison.

killerj

June 3rd, 2011
10:25 am

More mexican women need to marry here so we can produce a master race for farmers,problem solved!.Go Tea Party.

CopyandPaste

June 3rd, 2011
10:28 am

Cynthia supports having a lower caste picking our fruits and veggies, or Cynthia supports a slave class. Apparently, legal citizens don’t want to take SLAVE WAGES to work in the fields.

Reva

June 3rd, 2011
10:33 am

NO. The problem is hussein obama NEEDS illegal mexicans for their vote.

ramzad

June 3rd, 2011
10:34 am

Good; they ought to stay away and let the produce rot on the ground. Latinos built Atlanta for the Olympics and help with the glitz and glory of this area, and then the State turned around and blocked them. Pick your cabbage yourself. Hispanics are people too.

Gator Joe

June 3rd, 2011
10:35 am

Cynthia,
I refuse to sympathize with agri-business, especially big agri-business when they are solid Republican supporters. Collectively and individually, they deserve the consequences of their votes and actions. I do have sympathy for the immigrants who will face even more harrassment, intimidation, and discrimination. This legislation is feel- good fodder for the bigots in the legislature and their bigoted supporters, many of whom are farmers.

Fletch

June 3rd, 2011
10:37 am

So according to the farmers, without the benefit of illegal aliens, they will suffer undue hardship. I believe the the same case was made for slavery back in the good old days. Oddly enough, after the Civil War, Georgia still remained an agricultural state. I wonder how farming and growing was able to survive between the 1880’s and the 1980’s in Georgia without the benefit of slaves or undocumented workers?

Hmmmm…..

Jack

June 3rd, 2011
10:37 am

Cobb Woman of Color

June 3rd, 2011
10:13 am
The inmates in Georgia’s prisons should be used on the farms. The money they make can go back to the state to pay for their stint in prison.

Now I kinda like that idea.

AngryRedMarsWoman

June 3rd, 2011
10:42 am

Actually, what they need is a decent guest worker program run by a Federal Government that is in control of its borders. A business model based on a workforce that is in the country illegally is also based on a workforce that is not protected by minimum wage, workplace safety, work comp and other regulations that I think most decent people would agree are important. A business model based on breaking laws is not an acceptable business model. What if farmers decided it would be better to just kidnap people from their homes, torture them and make them work the farm for free – oh yeah, as a nation we already decided that business model is not acceptable. Somehow the Southern farms were able to adjust their business model after slavery, they can do the same thing with respect to illegal workers – hire locals, hire legal migrants, etc. I am not a big fan of regulations, but I have noticed that each time a new is passed the Chicken-Littles run around screaming about how it will mean the end of everything and somehow businesses find a way to make it work. If you are too stupid or lazy to adjust your business to the changing conditions then you deserve to go under. Happy Friday.

Rod

June 3rd, 2011
10:44 am

Jails and Prisons are full of prisoners who have nothing to do, they could easily repair buildings, paint, work fields, etc. Please don’t give me that cruel and unusual punishment garbage

Captain Midnight

June 3rd, 2011
10:45 am

@ Cobb Woman of Color. Lady, you hit it out of the park. Prison labor. Problem solved!
Maybe if these punks knew they’d be bused to south Georgia to pick onions in August, they’d keep their butts out of jail. I love it!

Good Grief

June 3rd, 2011
10:45 am

I like the idea of putting prisoners to work in the fields, but I’m sure the ACLU would tell you that it is inhumane, cruel, and unusual punishment. Plus, you would have to increase the guards on duty to watch over some of the fields out there.

Also, how is a law targetting illegal immigrants bigoted? Or do you subscribe to the Debbie Wasserman-Schultz school of thought that finds it odd that people believe illegal immigrants are here illegally?

Owl

June 3rd, 2011
10:46 am

Actually Democrats need illegal workers’ votes. It’s the economy stupid.

Elizabeth

June 3rd, 2011
10:46 am

It is not the illegals that I object to. We probably do need them for some of the farm work. It is the fact that when a child is born in the USA they are automatically a US citizen. I think the law needs to be changed in that respect. I would bet that there wouldn’t be as many kids born here if they didn’t automatically become citizens. The drain on us and the economy is the fact that we have to provide WIC, Peachcare, education, and so on and so on for these children. I don’t hate children but why should we have to shoulder the bill for them.

Tommy Maddox

June 3rd, 2011
10:48 am

“State needs illegal workers.”

There’s that word again – illegal. I thought I’d beat Kamchack to the punch.

BeeJay

June 3rd, 2011
10:50 am

I’m going to let YOU in on a big secret: America found it could handle its farms without slaves. And we benefited EVERYONE when we did so. American will find it can handle its farms (and other businesses) without people who are lawbreakers. And it will benefit EVERYONE when we do so.

People with the argument that we “need” illegals make me sick. We need them like a hole in the head. Pay a decent salary, raise the prices, and I’ll gladly pay them. It’s better than the amount of my money (taxes) I pay to keep the illegals here!

I’m sick to death of attitudes like yours. The law is the law. Would you want civil rights laws broken? I seriously doubt it; in fact, you would be the first to stand up and holler “Foul!” We should not pick and choose which laws we follow. If the laws are ill-advised, change them, legally. In the meantime, I will NEVER advocate for keeping people here just to work an onion field if they are breaking the law by being here. I will NEVER advocate paying for their housing, food, education, medical care, and God-knows-what-else that law-abiding citizens cannot even get.

Again, you make me SICK!! You and your pious, whiney, liberal “but we need them” cries.

Had enough of Cynthia

June 3rd, 2011
10:51 am

Cynthia, The only reason Georgia farmers think they need illegal workers is because the worker work cheap and for the farmers they are off the accounting books for paying Workman’s Compensation and all the those other state and local taxes employers have to pay for regular citizen workers.

Also, Cynthia what say you about all the fraudulent Social Security cards and drivers licenses the illegals use to obtain the jobs in the first place.

Your argument just doesn’t hold up and the Georgia farmers can spend that $75,000 for a mechanical onion picker like the farmers who play by the laws and pay their taxes the right way.

AJC, Please fire Cynthia for good this time!!!

gsmith

June 3rd, 2011
10:55 am

The AJC needs new writers

yuzeyurbrane

June 3rd, 2011
10:57 am

Cynthia, I have sympathy for your dilemma. On the 1 hand, you want immigration reform; on the other hand, I feel certain that you supported Cesar Chavez and the United Farmworkers Union in their struggle to get decent wages and working conditions for American farmworkers. And now you have made your deal with the Devil: you have chosen exploitative agribusn. over American farmworkers because you hope they will push for immigration reform. !st, real reform ain’t gonna happen. 2nd, maybe we ought to get something positive out of this, like force agribusn. to reform the way they treat their workers. I know you hate to hear it, and I do, too, but to paraphrase some of the commentators above: “slavery is not an option.”

bunch of morons....

June 3rd, 2011
10:57 am

farmers are not asking for illegal workers, they are stating that the new immigration law is scaring off migrant workers. even if a worker is here legally, but looks like he is from south of the border, he could get harassed just as much as one who is here illegally.
12.50 doesn’t sound like slave wages to me. ever worked retail or in a restaurant? not going to make that much in rural areas. it is back breaking work and the lazies in our society would rather make less working the drive through at mickey d’s than busting their hump for extra money.
have illegals worked in agriculture? sure they have. just like construction and landscaping and restaurants and manufacturing. not too terribly difficult to fake papers.
when lazy, fat ass americans are not willing to do the jobs, you tell me what the answer is.
we have an economy that continues heading south. this law does nothing to make things better for anyone.

granny godzilla

June 3rd, 2011
10:58 am

we must take money away from the people that have earned it and give it to the people that need it

it should not matter if you have squander your opportunities as an american

SaveOurRepublic

June 3rd, 2011
10:59 am

Having been raised on a farm, I have total empathy for the plight of (small) farmers. However, the big agri-business, corporate outfits are simply wanting to give slave wages for labor…versus paying a decent amount to Americans. We’re in the midst of “Depression 2.0″, so this business of “jobs Americans won’t do” is complete horse squeeze. The agri-business outfits simply want to leverage these illegal invaders to line their coffers. The illegal invasion needs to be stopped…and that can be accomplished via the end of birthright citizenship, taxpayer subsidies for invaders & their jackpot babies. If the puppets on “Cr@pitol sHill” weren’t co-opt’d by the Globalist Elite….this would have been done years ago.

fedup

June 3rd, 2011
10:59 am

Exactly what were the farmers doing before the border problem got out of control and when have AMERICANS ever needed illegals for anything? Hmmm, let’s see how about running up healthcare premiums for ER visits that could be taken care of at a doctor’s office, how about helping to run down Medicare faster because the budget is so stretched between other social programs due to (what was that?) government run programs like Medicaid and Assistance to Families in Need because illegals are given services that our tax dollars go to, how about doing hit and runs, critically injuring people, crippling a family structure because the bread-winner can’t work and there is not an insurance company around to help foot any bills as a result?! I could go on and on, but hey—-there are 9.1% of Americans without jobs right here in the State of Georgia. How about this for all you bright eyed pro-illegal lazy ***es; petition the government to pay American farmers what they are supposed to–benefit: we don’t have exploding watermelons from China filled with pesticides to give us cancer, we have the FDA who heavily regulates FDA products that are not imported; the farmers will also be able to hire domestic workers that are legal, pay taxes, and just might be able to pay them a decent wage! How about this: for the college students that want to go into Agriculture, put them in rotation for internships-less money, social service (change), experience the grunt work, and it’s a win-win! Let’s talk about how we can invest in AMERICA the LEGAL WAY! They are called illegals for a reason! Man, this topic could go on and on!!! No man is an island, but AMERICA definitely does not need a bunch of illegal aliens burdening our country just to tender some crop! Cynthia Tucker; are you serious? Give me a freaking break. Couldn’t you get more creative than to write a crappy article like this?! NEXT!!!!

Charles

June 3rd, 2011
11:01 am

How many people in Georgia are on unemployment, sitting at home collecting a check. Would it not be more productive for them to be spending a little time in the fields getting some excercise? Most liberals would rather we import illegals who weigh down our schools and emergency rooms.

Just Sayin'

June 3rd, 2011
11:01 am

Apparently fast food restaurants need them too. Ever look in the back of a McDonalds or a Chick fil A? Apparently “immigration” is the only word of english they know too.

Hankie Aron

June 3rd, 2011
11:03 am

Bee Jay and had enough of Cynthia, you guys have both made my day. Love both the posts.

LydiasDad

June 3rd, 2011
11:04 am

No, we don’t need illegal workers idiot. If we’re ok with breaking the law in order to lower prices, than let’s just make prisoners work free. It’s just another law. It’s not that Americans won’t do the work of illegals. It’s that Americans won’t do the work for the ILLEGAL WAGE we pay illegals. Get a clue you left wing loon.

Dekalb taxpayer

June 3rd, 2011
11:05 am

I’d rather pay higher prices for fruits and vegetables outright than pay the hidden medical costs and food stamp and other public assistance costs of illegal workers.

Captain Midnight

June 3rd, 2011
11:07 am

@ Good Grief, if it was inhumane, it would be illegal for anyone to do it paid or not. As for extra guards, money that would have been paid to the “illegals” goes to the Dept of corrections.
So many ways that this could work. Heck, throw the deadbeat dads right in there with em.

Red

June 3rd, 2011
11:07 am

Using prison labor to harvest agriculture is one of the worst solutions I can imagine.

With the political clout of the farm lobby, you would see sentencing of able bodied ‘workers’ skyrocket right before harvest time. We elect our judges in Georgia. They need campaign contributions and agriculture needs cheap labor. Chilling.

Jim

June 3rd, 2011
11:08 am

At 10% unemployment in Georgia, how about we stop paying unemployment now that we are not hiring illegal aliens.

RxDawg

June 3rd, 2011
11:09 am

I tend to agree… besides a lot of the immigrants actually have a good work ethic. So I hope it will rub off on all the lazy morons we have around here living off the guvment.

However, the fact that so many are coming into the society and isolating themselves off creating their own language speaking areas and not assimilating into society… well that really doesn’t seem right to me. If I ever move to another country (and the way the US is going, I can see this happening unfortunately) there is no way I wouldn’t learn the language of that country to be able to do day to day things. More should be done to allow these sub societies to learn our language and become American. When I watch rallies on TV, and see people flying flags other than USA… well that doesn’t make me really side with them.

John Birch

June 3rd, 2011
11:10 am

If we run out of prisoners (unlikely during the Obama economy) take the long-term unemployed, say after three months out of work, and make them work three days a week for their unemployment check and leave them two days to look for a better gig.

Original Thought not Necessary

June 3rd, 2011
11:10 am

First of all, if you refer to the President as Hussain Obama you’re ignorant and partisan to such an extreme that you are not worth the time it took to write this. Such silliness.

Second, we are all going to pay the price for the zealots when we all have to pay much higher prices for farm goods.

That being said, I’m honestly conflicted about this issue as I believe anyone with any intellectual honesty should be. I think BeeJay makes one good point in his/her red faced skreed and that is that we did find a way to adjust after the abolition of slavery. But things were different then in terms of economic realities and technology. Using Vidalia as an example there is no getting around the need for great numbers of workers to harvest. There is no such thing as an efficient “mechanical onion picker” as anyone who spent time on a south Georgia farm would know. (Summers in college were my time.)

Bottom line, at least for me, is that this is an amazingly complex problem that cannot be solved at either extreme (i.e “illegal is illegal, deport them all” or “reform is not necessary, let them all stay.’) If we continue to line up on the extremes like soldiers on a 19th century battlefield them we will not only never solve this problem, we will all suffer while we scream at each other. We need to have a rational, intelligent discussion absent rhetoric and ignorance. Kind of like adults talking.

Bill

June 3rd, 2011
11:10 am

The issue is that we have become DEPENDANT on them. If the industry requires a labor force that is breaking the laws that we live by, then the industry needs to rethink their business policies.

yuzeyurbrane

June 3rd, 2011
11:11 am

I also suspect Cynthia’s #’s come from the Farm Bureau Federation as they have little basis in fact. I have some experience in this area and feel comfortable in stating that most migrants needed for harvest work on a piece rate basis and most do not average $12.50 per hr. I read 1 article recently where a Vidalia onion grower claimed he paid his workers a whopping 38 cents a basket!! Do you know how large those baskets are? They are big. Many growers contract for harvest crews through labor contractors who are usually Mexican and who notoriously rip off the workers. Housing? Ever wondered why they are always behind the tree line on the other side of the fields? Because growers don’t want you to see the windowless waterless chicken coops they house their illegals in. And the company store? It is alive and well. So workers are often in greater debt after the harvest and the accounts have been settled. Do they really have a choice but to move on with their labor contractors to the next plantation? This may not technically be slavery but it is a pretty close imitation. It’s worth a try to see if decent wages and working conditions attract an American workforce. If growers can only make it thru the use of quasi-slaves, they deserve to have their crops rot in the fields and to try another line of busn.

LydiasDad

June 3rd, 2011
11:12 am

I talked to a large peach grower in Ft. Valley, GA this weekend. They agree that the new bill is the way to go. I saw a lot fewer Latinos on the line this weekend too, which probably means the illegals aren’t being used as much. Fact is fact. Take it racist as you want; you probably will.

joe

June 3rd, 2011
11:12 am

No we don’t…with GA unemployment being around 10%, those legal 10%-US citizens who are looking for work need to get off their duffs and go to work on the farm. If it was good enough for our ancestors back in the day, it is good enough for us now. If you are able bodied and need a job, you have no excuse. Personal responsibility, ya’ll.

JP

June 3rd, 2011
11:12 am

I guess I have to farm for a season to be empathetic to farmers – but right now I am not.

Captain Midnight

June 3rd, 2011
11:13 am

Yea Red, we know the prisons are all empty right before harvest time.

zeke

June 3rd, 2011
11:13 am

No Judge, if they are qualified, can rule against laws that enforce laws!! You can see by the rulings on this agenda and on obozocare that many federal judges are simply not qualified, but, inject their own agenda and ideas instead of ruling by the CONSTITUTION!!!

Original Thought not Necessary

June 3rd, 2011
11:14 am

Oh, and one more thing, illegals can’t vote, especially not here, not now. And second, if you can go into my homeland of South Georgia and find me one liberal farmer I’ll kiss your a**.

jarvis

June 3rd, 2011
11:14 am

Large scale farming is corrupt on a large scale. It is the most over-subsidized industry in the country. The Corn Lobby one of the most-aggressive pool of crooks in Washington. Nothing those people say should be taken seriously. They are very close to evil.

Fletch

June 3rd, 2011
11:14 am

bunch of morons – “this law does nothing to make things better for anyone.”

Have to disagree there, at the very least, I hope it will eliminate the need for me to have a translator on hand in order to do a new employee enrollment when we bring a new client on board. Oh, except for the tax forms. For some reason the “undocumented” population seem to know EXACTLY how to fill out the deductions on the G-4 and W-4.

gsueagle

June 3rd, 2011
11:16 am

you want illegals here only because it might benefit the democrats. send all illegals back where they came from.

casual observer

June 3rd, 2011
11:16 am

America needs jobs and the columnist is telling us we need illegals. The Obama administration is bringing this country to it’s economic knees and the best we can come up with is how Georgia needs illegals? How about a policy that increases private Industry employment? How about an energy policy that allows us to produce our own energy and tap our own resources? Or continue with more $4.00 a gallon gas and 9.1% unemployment. Spending that’s out of control.

HOLY COW at least address the issues! Not how a country that has survived for years all of the sudden now needs illegals. Save the Americans !

Original Thought not Necessary

June 3rd, 2011
11:18 am

Dekalb Taxpayer. You said “I’d rather pay higher prices for fruits and vegetables outright than pay the hidden medical costs and food stamp and other public assistance costs of illegal workers.”

By that logic I assume you are in favor of health care reform as you also realize that it costs much less to provide people healthcare than to have them continue using the E.R. as their PCP. Once treated they can’t pay and boom, we all pick up the tab with higher taxes i.e. hidden medical costs.

zeke

June 3rd, 2011
11:18 am

I personally think profiling should be a legitimate law enforcement tool! If a white guy robs or assaults someone, are you not going to look for a white guy? If a black woman kills someone, are you going to look for a white woman? if an islamic terrorist blows up a car killing hundreds, are you going to look for an 80 year old white grandmother? SORRY, that last instance is exactly what we are doing! Since illegals are 99% majority of Latins, WE MUST LOOK FOR LATINS TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS!!!! PROFILING IS A LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL!!! That is why the aclu, splc, naacp and other anti U.S> groups are against it!!!!

becky

June 3rd, 2011
11:19 am

What we need is for those illegals to become legal and then be legal immigrants. I was speaking with a Hispanic Co worker that came to this country legally and she gave me an AWESOME perspective. If they have been here more than two years earning cash they have earned enough to do what it takes to become legal but instead that take most of their money and send it back home. If you want someone to think about the children and families, then that is the responsibility of the parents. If you come to this country illegally and you don’t do what you need to do then you are not thinking of the consequences of your actions or how they will impact your child. How can a family come when their child is three, stay illegal and their child reaches age 17 graduates from a public school and they never take the steps to make everything legal? Especially if the child is excelling!!!

I’ve also worked with the welfare system and they are able to get benefits for their US born children and never pay a dime into the state or federal tax system. There are US citizens that pay into the system and can’t get them. It is a shame with an Elderly person applies for benefits, they have been working all of their lives and paying into the system but only eligible for $10. Seriously??? Much worse if you are a citizen and you are $1 over the income limit you are denied. If one or both illegal parents are working their income is prorated for their children and they are able to get full assistance even if the total household income is over the non prorated income of a citizen. The child can be a newborn and receive a full allotment of food stamps and get WIC. They will get free formula which is all a newborn will need but tell me who will benefit the food stamps??? So while you are all up in arms needing them see what it’s costing you to have them. I know some of them were making more than my co workers and my co workers couldn’t get benefits because they were over the income limit. While we continue to say no to the law and yes to illegal activity, think about your family, friends and neighbors who could really use some help but can’t get it because they have too many assets, income or whatever. That’s what we should be up in arms about.

Good Grief

June 3rd, 2011
11:20 am

Captain Midnight – How about a rule where if you are an able-bodied individual who wishes to recieve government-funded entitlements (i.e.: welfare) then the government will help you look for a job, but at the same time we’ll send you to work in one of these fields. We have jobs that need doing, and you’re looking for a job…what a coincidence.

Not saying I support this line of thought, but some people have proposed it.

Isaiah

June 3rd, 2011
11:20 am

Cynthia, so what you are saying is that it’s OK to break a Federal Law???? Your blogs are generally on the idiot side as a whole. You hit rock bottom on this one! I guess the next question will be, how low will she go?
Now, on the other hand, if you wrote this just to stir peoples gander up…. congrats it worked, but continue to think of the ILLEGALS and not the American Citizens…… Are you related to McKinney??? My guess yes you are.

Are you THAT Dumb???

June 3rd, 2011
11:21 am

Illegals don’t vote . . . remember you already took care of ACORN . . .lmbehindo @ how dumb y’all are . . . hahahaha ., . . Obama sets oil prices . . . Republicans who won mid-term elections will provide jobs . . . hahahahaha ARE YOU THAT DUMB?

I already know but . . . don’t let your ignorance and hatefulness block your blessings, people . . .

Halftrack

June 3rd, 2011
11:22 am

CT; The fields need strong backs and willing hands, and there aren’t enough of those around. Are you supporting “modern slavery” today. It is the impression of your article you want to continue illegal aliens working for GA farmers but at a low wage. Would you, Could you be my neighbor that supports the Immigration laws? and free enterprise that supports paying workers what they should earn. Many fringe benefits do not get paid, therefore not only the “illegal alien” gets hurt but the citizen as well by eventually not having a job and being on jobless welfare and our State Revenues become lower causing more services to be cut, etc. It’s a snowball that gets bigger & bigger and the people become poorer and poorer. Accountability stops the snowball and helps everyone to make the right change.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

June 3rd, 2011
11:22 am

No it doesn’t, idiot.

jconservative

June 3rd, 2011
11:23 am

There is a reason we do not have a national immigration policy. The system we have of “no policy” is working just fine. Business has plenty of cheap labor, most farmers have plenty of cheap labor, and members of Congress have plenty of money in their campaign chests.

Why would those three interest groups want to change a thing?

jimmy

June 3rd, 2011
11:25 am

I don’t understand why C.T., still has a job with any newspaper.She should be in the unemploymet line with the rest of the Obama,backers.

Let them stay - they have so much to give!

June 3rd, 2011
11:28 am

Now c’mon folks, these illegal workers are not slaves. They will earn an income, although a small one. They will also need to supplement that income to support their families with alot of assistance via “entitlements” from GA taxpayers. Let us not forget that free public education with a side of ESOL for the illegal Catholics who will multiply like bunnies!

We will also need more prison and or jail space for the hard working and party harder illegals. Perhaps we can just deport them and banish them ever entering the US again if they commit another crime (in addtion to being here illegally), as most country’s around the World do.

Yes, the state of GA needs illegal workers. ;)

JV

June 3rd, 2011
11:29 am

According to the Environmental Working Group (EWG), Georgia farmers received $5.8 BILLION dollars in taxpayer federal FARM SUBSIDIES between 1995 and 2009. Georgia ranks 16th in the nation for this free money. EWG has a website. Just look it up. The state farm lobby has repeatedly said it cost too them much to use the legal route called the H2A program. How about using some of that $5.8 billion to pay for “LEGAL GUEST WORKERS”?

Chuck

June 3rd, 2011
11:31 am

Cynthia,

The agri-business owners may need illegal workers but the state of Georgia does not. I don’t know how you don’t see that this is the same as the plantations of the past. If you can’t grow cotton without slave labor, grow something else or don’t grow anything at all! The same goes with onions, tomatos, etc.

Fletch

June 3rd, 2011
11:33 am

Hey, I just thought of another benefit to HB 87. Has anyone else noticed a decrease in the amount of people loitering in front of gas stations and near the home improvement stores?

Mother Nature

June 3rd, 2011
11:34 am

I have imposed a drought on the state of GA yet again. I would say my timing is perfect! :)

bev

June 3rd, 2011
11:35 am

Leave the illegal “workers” alone! They’re just trying to make an “honest” living; and no, they don’t take jobs away from Americans! If Americans wanted these jobs, then why aren’t they filling them? I’m all for deporting criminals, but not hard-workers!! They really do provide us with a service.

Aside from that, our population is declining enough already. Without them, we really would have a serious decline in our growth.

Captain Midnight

June 3rd, 2011
11:35 am

@ Good Grief- what’s wrong with that line of thought. What’s wrong with the idea of supporting yourself? Take the entitlements out of the equation. If there is no work here, you go there. Period.
Work is work. Here or there. It’s hard to listen to the complaints of people who can’t find a job when you have people like Cindy Tucker telling us all how we need illegal labor. How many fathers with hungry children during the depression would have stood by and let some alien be paid for work that he could be paid for. It wouldn’t have happened. Welfare used to be a shameful word. What happened to that?

Rich kid

June 3rd, 2011
11:36 am

Cynthia= not very smart.

Welfare?

June 3rd, 2011
11:37 am

the commenter is right on, why shouldn’t the individuals on welfare or unemployment be required to accept jobs like this while either looking to get another job or get off welfare?? Guarantee you if this was enacted you would see a record number of people getting off welfare in the next 12 months and finding jobs. The problem is we have become a society that even our poorest expect to be taken care of and the ones who make it are forced to “give back”, implying that they took what they got and didn’t work hard for it.

RJH

June 3rd, 2011
11:38 am

How about a rule where if you are an able-bodied individual who wishes to recieve government-funded entitlements (i.e.: welfare) then the government will help you look for a job, but at the same time we’ll send you to work in one of these fields. We have jobs that need doing, and you’re looking for a job…what a coincidence.

The ACLU will just file another lawsuit – welfare folks rights, too! ;)

Vickie

June 3rd, 2011
11:39 am

The inmates in Georgia’s prisons should be used on the farms. The money they make can go back to the state to pay for their stint in prison.

Also if the farmers put the word out to come and work, unemployed Americans WILL come to the job!!!!!!!!!!!

THE MAJOR

June 3rd, 2011
11:39 am

I love the comments of those who have never stepped foot on a real farm. $75000 for a mechanical onion picker, really!? Onions can be picked by mechanical but tomatoes, cucumbers, watermelons, squash, and the list can go on and on have to be picked by hand. These farmers have tried hiring locals at more than the $12.50 per hour price but there were no takers.

People can complain that illegals are working for the farmers, but when the price of the produce escalates due to shortages and higher costs of labor, you will still be the ones raising hell then.

RJH

June 3rd, 2011
11:40 am

“Enter your comments hereThe inmates in Georgia’s prisons should be used on the farms. The money they make can go back to the state to pay for their stint in prison.”

Um, no … per the ACLU – yet ANOTHER lawsuit – prisoner’s rights ;)

Captain Midnight

June 3rd, 2011
11:42 am

The Major-stop the handouts and watch how fast those $12.50 per hr jobs fill up.
Farm labor is no different that any other outdoor manual labor ie roofing, framing,masonary,landscaping, ditch digging etc.
The list goes on. Work is work and if it was fun and easy they wouldn’t pay you for it.

Barner B. Jones

June 3rd, 2011
11:43 am

For once cynthia is right. Many Americans are too busy to work the fields. They’re too busy lying around watching their flat screen tvs, thanks to the liberals’ food stamp and welfare programs.

Ad Naseum

June 3rd, 2011
11:44 am

“They’re just trying to make an “honest” living; and no, they don’t take jobs away from Americans! If Americans wanted these jobs, then why aren’t they filling them?”

I think we have establish that we have an entitlement class and an inmate population that COULD work and SHOULD pay back their debt to society.

Illegal “slave” labor will only add to the debt burden thru entitlements.

Welfare?

June 3rd, 2011
11:44 am

Major,

that is the attitude that keeps illegals here in the first place. Stop asking people taking govt handouts and tell them that as long as they are on govt pay they will accept these jobs or be taken off welfare. Correctional facilities are another candidate, they are costing us $ too. I think it is time that the poor start to “give back”

Liberal Labor

June 3rd, 2011
11:46 am

“thanks to the liberals’ food stamp and welfare programs.”

DC

June 3rd, 2011
11:47 am

So CT, you’re in favor of illegal immigrants being taken advantage of by these farmers, who say they have no other way to harvest their crops? Since when have you ever been on the side of business? If they’re illegal, they don’t need to be here. Get some of these lazy Americans to go out there and harvest the crops. If they can really make $12.50 per hour, that’s more than unemployment pays. But it’s work, so I guess we can’t make people do that, right? Would CT support making all these lazy welfare cheats harvest those crops? Probably not.

camcat

June 3rd, 2011
11:48 am

The one word here that makes this whole thing a non issue to me is the word (Illegal) which means against the law! Illegals should either be made to get Legal or be sent back to the country they came from. Yes America was founded by immigrants most of which came here legally. I am in no way against immigration, just illegal immigration.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

June 3rd, 2011
11:50 am

Censoring differing points of view, Ms. Tucker? Not too sporting…or patriotic.

Tim Parker

June 3rd, 2011
11:51 am

Cynthia, you were the sole reason I cancelled my AJC subsription. Thank-you

Latino (US Citizen)

June 3rd, 2011
11:53 am

For those who think that inmates can do the work I can tell you right now that you are wrong. They would rather be under the shade than work in the fields. Also to be a professional painter you need at least 2 years to become a pro. Inmates can do it, but you will end up having a very very sloppy job. Also I don’t think you want a killer or a rapist painting your house. What about restaurants? In every restaurant there are latinos working in the kitchen. Latinos do painting, roofing, bricks, siding, maid services and soo many other things. I’m sure that the paint on the walls of your house was done by hispanics. The carpet you walk on too. Even the food your eat every day (tomatos, onios, peper,etc). And if you think latinos are not paying taxes you should go after the people who exploit them by paying them just enough to survive. Billy in the other hand gets to keep all the money and maybe pays some tax. You guys want someone who makes 8 an hour when he should be making 15 to still pay taxes? You guys are a joke. But remember the employer has to take the taxes from his or her check and send them to the state and federal goverment. At the end they dont get that money back becuase the dont have a social. Guess who get that money? People with a social with lots of kids. You might say yeah but the children of illegals go to schools. Yes. but they rent or have a home and either them or the landloard pays property taxes and what about the taxes the pay and they dont get back because they dont have a social. There are alottt of people legal americans that take advantage of section 8 and are sooo lazyyy. Why go after the people that are hard working? The shirtless(Los desprotejidos)

Good Grief

June 3rd, 2011
11:54 am

What if we send the ACLU to work in the fields….

Fast Julio

June 3rd, 2011
11:55 am

Im glad they are leaving, it is freeing up the traffic on 85. Illegals drive soooooo slow.

Say it aint so.

June 3rd, 2011
11:55 am

Cynthia, the problem is not the immigrants its the illegals and no, this country does not need to put our citizens at risk. They need to inforce our LAWS period.

Oh and by the way, the illegals working on the road and bridges projects with our stimulus money are not making 12 dollars per hour you got that? Stop being a pawn for your man Obama and be an American for once. We demand that the government do their job and they are not doing it by allowing illegals to flood our boarders like ants in a ant hill.

Red

June 3rd, 2011
11:56 am

Here’s a question: the $12.50 per hour or $18.00 an hour or $20.00 an hour wage that is quoted for agricultural work is not really an hourly wage is it?

It’s an average based on ‘piece work’ – that the pay is actually based on the number of baskets of produce rendered in an hour?

RxDawg

June 3rd, 2011
11:56 am

I liked your post becky.

I’d also like to add, they should of gotten rid of the auto citizenship deal yesterday.

ABAC Degree

June 3rd, 2011
11:56 am

“These farmers have tried hiring locals at more than the $12.50 per hour price but there were no takers.”

They could hire students from Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College to do the work

Grasshopper

June 3rd, 2011
11:57 am

‘Even at an average wage of $12.50 or so an hour, native-born Georgians aren’t eager to take the work the fields offer…’

That’s because they can get welfare and food stamps for sitting on their butts all day. Take these liberal perks away and they’ll be begging to pick onions and tomatoes.

OtisTheDrunk

June 3rd, 2011
11:58 am

Love the “putting the prisoners to work in the fields” idea…….”Shakin the bush Boss, shakin the bush” . Plus, It will break up the monotony of making license plates for them.

Sheriff Joe Aparo out in AZ has the right idea for prisoners….tents, chain gangs and pink prison uniforms.

Jerry

June 3rd, 2011
11:59 am

State needs LEGAL workers. Does not matter if they are from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras- whatever. They need to become legal and pay into the system that they reap the benefits from (welfare, hospitals, schools, etc). What a boneheaded article.

Rafe Hollister

June 3rd, 2011
12:00 pm

This statement about Ga needing more illegal workers makes about as much sense as the USA giving foreign aid to countries that we borrow billions from to support our deficit. In other words we are giving them money and borrowing back our own money and paying interest on the debt.

Our government has just totally lost it and we do need fundamental change. Let us start with eliminating elected Democrats and then moving on to the Republicans.

Voice of Reason

June 3rd, 2011
12:01 pm

Does the word “ILLEGAL” have any meaning to you, Cynthia Tucker? I continue to be amazed at the people in this country that don’t seem to pay attention to this word.

RxDawg

June 3rd, 2011
12:02 pm

oops, I meant the anchor baby auto citzenship rule. If your born to two illeagle parents, your still illeagle and don’t qualify for free everything from a system that you have not contributed to.

Jerry

June 3rd, 2011
12:02 pm

And Grasshopper has it right. Quit giving free rides to all the out of work Americans. The “I can’t find a job” lot. Well, you know what people? Farmer Brown is hiring. If the government quit mailing you a free check every week for sitting at home, we could kill 2 birds with one stone here.

Jim

June 3rd, 2011
12:03 pm

I think the Republicans believe that they can destroy enough good paying American jobs so that our middle class Americans will be glad to work in the fields.
The ways things are going we may even see Grandma working in the fields so that she can afford her cat food for dinner. NO socialist entitlements like Social Security or Medicare for the old coot!!
The GOP knows how our wealthiest Americans are really struggling to pay their income taxes and are in desperate need for another tax cut. As Christians, we all know that Jesus would take food and medical care from our poorest so that the rich can keep more of their money for bigger and better mansions!

BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS

June 3rd, 2011
12:03 pm

GATOR JOE @10:35AM – sorry dude, but the fact is that agri-business gave equally to both parties in 2010. they give most to the party in power and last year i guess they didn’t know which way to flop.

monty

June 3rd, 2011
12:04 pm

BEV

You are a simpleton.

Cynthia Sucker

June 3rd, 2011
12:04 pm

I have one word to describe this situation — rationalize.

You can rationalize anything but where does it end? If an illegal steals bread is that okay? The rationale is he needs to feed his family. If he/she lies to officials or creates a fake ID is that okay? He/she needs an education, medical care etc and is not legal so they lie. If the illegals band together to form their own agricultural co-op or buy their own farm is that okay? what if they get tired of low wages and hard labor and want other jobs. Is that alright too? The point is once you cross the line (i.e. break the law or ignore the law) there are no restraints and its human nature to test these limits.

Yes, we will probably have to pay more for produce but guess what? We are paying more already in the added social costs of an additional 20 million illegals in this country. It is a naive person who believes illegals are here FREE. They cost tax payers plenty, which is why the border states oppose it.

Say it aint so.

June 3rd, 2011
12:04 pm

Illegals working farms at 12.00 per hour
Illegals having children educated in ga schools

lenny

June 3rd, 2011
12:08 pm

remember the grapes of wrath

Another Voice

June 3rd, 2011
12:09 pm

Where are all the Georgians complaining that the immigrants were taking their jobs??? The fields await you…. why are you pushing the jobs to convicts? I though you wanted this….. Who is going to spend the money into Georgia’s economy to cover the hole left by the immigrants? You got to get to work on fields other wise no money to spend…. Too much complaining not enough work, now you got the law passed and there are no excuses. I do not want to pay $5 dollars a head of lettuce because short supply at the store. Get to it….

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

June 3rd, 2011
12:10 pm

Let’s try it without the url, perhaps you will post it.

Actually Georgia doesn’t need illegal Hispanic Roman Catholics to fulfill, as the pawns they are, the Roman Catholic Church’s published stratagem for taking back America from “the Anglos” they teach “stole it” from the ancestors of their Hispanic illegal immigrant faithful: “The National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry,” Publication / Office of Publishing and Promotion Services, United States Catholic Conference, No. 199-7. Pick up your own copy of Rome’s marching orders on Amazon.com, the Library of Congress or your local RC diocesan library.

Ms. Tucker is CFR, the Rockefellers’ “bi-partisan” false-elite “clearinghouse” for dissemination of what the faction which built Big Oil on unredressed murder and arson, financed Hitler from the U.S. RC collection plates through Rockefeller-front and Knight of Malta Prescott Bush, killed Kennedy and King to restore their unconstitutional “Fed” money franchise JFK’s EO11,110 had killed and to send us to die in VN on behalf of a papal fiefdom whose leader said, on a London radio station, Hitler was his “hero,” fighting a whig Jeffersonian who loved America, Ho Chi Minh.

Rockefellers promulgate through their CFR’s membership what Rome wants or Rome gives the largest cash-flow in history to someone other than Rockefellers’ family bank, which since Rockefeller-front GWBush committed 9/11, is now the Iraqi State Bank.

Cynthia Sucker

June 3rd, 2011
12:11 pm

Latino (US Citizen) You make some good points and yes there are lazy Americans but in a democracy (at least that is what we aspire) you must have law and without laws we have nothing. There is no middle ground. You are either on the side of law or against it. I agree that most of these workers are honest, hard working people. So, why not come into the country legally?

Red

June 3rd, 2011
12:11 pm

I find it ironic that someone on the Left advocates an illegal labor force. These workers fall below the wage standards and do not have protections afforded a legal labor force. They can be exploited beyond labor laws that protect the legal worker. They can be paid far less thus exploiting the legal labor pool as well. Cheap labor is the equivalent of modern slavery. Cynthia speaks like a true capitalist rather than her typical leftwing banter. I guess protection of the working class is out the door and exploitation of the working class is chic now?

Ellis Island, New York

June 3rd, 2011
12:11 pm

Georgia needs legal workers a little bit more than illegal workers.

Anne Mitchell

June 3rd, 2011
12:11 pm

The Welfarians and food stampers (the demographics with the highest rates of obesity) can pick a few fields-or is the idea of (GASP!) actually working for your food/housing/medical care/free cell phone totally outside the Democratic mind-set?

Isaiah

June 3rd, 2011
12:12 pm

Now don’t y’all go hurting Cynthia’s poor little feelings with your dissatisfaction of her blog. She will delete your post. Man, that’s two times in two days. What a big baby! You sure can dish it out, but can’t take it!
What do you expect when you blog the crap that you do. You’re just asking for it!

Ray

June 3rd, 2011
12:12 pm

Eliminate food stamps, unemployment checks, and all other forms of welfare and you will have plenty of people wanting these farm jobs. Before this country became a welfare state, nobody complained about immigrants.

DebbieDoRight

June 3rd, 2011
12:12 pm

Gator Joe: Cynthia,
I refuse to sympathize with agri-business, especially big agri-business when they are solid Republican supporters. Collectively and individually, they deserve the consequences of their votes and actions

Amen!!

CWOC: The inmates in Georgia’s prisons should be used on the farms. The money they make can go back to the state to pay for their stint in prison.

Are you insane? You’d see a bunch of innocent people being railroaded into prisons left and right just so that the farmers can make their quotas!! Think it wouldn’t happen? Read excerpt below:

As scandals from Wall Street to Washington roil the public trust, the justice system in Luzerne County, in the heart of Pennsylvania’s struggling coal country, has also fallen prey to corruption. The county has been rocked by a kickback scandal involving two elected judges who essentially jailed kids for cash.

HRPufnstuf

June 3rd, 2011
12:13 pm

Georgia needs illegal workers like Georgia needs Cynthia Tucker.

Workinforalivin

June 3rd, 2011
12:13 pm

Hey Latino…I’ve picked up illegal workers gathered on the side of the road in Cumming to help me lay some sod and paid them $9 or $10 an hour. That’s 100% in their pockets which beats a minimum wage fast food job where taxes are then withheld on them. Is that what you call “exploiting them and paying just enough for them to survive? WTF..seems like a pretty good gig for them.

Maybe there should be similar designated places where Americans (US citizens) can gather to get the same work?

Akeya

June 3rd, 2011
12:14 pm

First of all, illegal immigrants can’t vote.
Second, I do not aspire to pick fruit and vegetables for low wages.
Third, do we REALLY want a large amount of prisoners outside of the prisons? That would make me a bit uneasy.
Fourth, the majority of welfare money goes to CITIZENS! Many of whom are able-bodied AMERICANS.
Fifth, if you really want to worry about Americans losing jobs think OUTSOURCING.
Sixth, in order to become legal here, it is very difficult. Most people who have been working here are sending a small amount of money back to their countries. It’s not so simple to just “do it the right way” for those who are desperate to make money to take care of themselves and their families.

Why not strip lazy, criminal AMERICANS of their socials and legal status and reward them to hard-working illegals? Not the ones sitting in jail on drug or other very serious charges, but the ones who work as hard as many Americans do.

The fact of the matter is that people have built lives here. They have made connections here. They have helped to build. The money they spend matters. The difference in culture and ethnicity adds to, not subtracts from, our American society. Why not find a way for them to stay?

Give them a tempered legal status to work, but tag on a fine to be paid for staying in the country (maybe monthly? taken directly from paychecks?)
Make the children of illegal immigrants ineligible for welfare programs. No, it’s not the nicest thing to do, but give a little, get a little.

Yes, illegal immigrants are here for a reason. The majority really seem to just want a shot at something halfway decent. Is that not admirable at all?

Robby

June 3rd, 2011
12:14 pm

Say it aint so.

June 3rd, 2011
12:14 pm

Sorry it wanted to post to early

Illegals working farms at 12.00 per hour
Illegals having children educated in ga schools costing oh say 10K per year
Illegals using our hospitals as doctors offices, FACT cost millions per year
Illegals using our social programs such as food stamps, also millions per year
And those same illegals pay not one penny of taxes.

Seems to me that this is kinda upside down with the farmers and their millions of government money from the taxpayer and the illegals with their free ride of millions from the taxpayer is working against this country Cynthia. Its not that we are against immigration but illegals are not immigrants. Immigrants pay their own way and pay taxes. Illegals take and take and take and demand rights which they have none. Thats what we are tired of and its way past time that the taxpayer is given the break and not the illegals. When its all said and done, a lot of these illegals live a lot better then some of our american citizens. America first Cynthia, Americans first.

Let the generational welfare families work the fields for their monthly checks and benefits. Before to long we wont have the welfare family either because they will get educated and take care of their own.

Thogwummpy

June 3rd, 2011
12:15 pm

As Cynthia tends to advocate the selective application of the law—ignoring it if it suits her world concept—-I think the rest of us should apply that same standard. What would be a suggestion in that respect? Well, I don’t like the idea that I work my rear off to give a free living to the lazy creeps that vote Democrats into office….and neither does millions of productive Americans. So, if Cynthia argues to set aside immigration law….I think millions of hard working Americans should set aside TAX LAW, and stop paying. Then, all her nefarious socialist programs will collapse; and we can get on with the civil unrest that is coming anyway.

Isaiah

June 3rd, 2011
12:15 pm

Deport Cynthis Tucker!

Former AJC subscriber

June 3rd, 2011
12:16 pm

Cynthia, I have cancelled my AJC subscription because of you. Your articles are proof that we are headed towards an idiocracy. I predict a BOYCOTT CYNTHIA TUCKER.

Wisdom, Justice, Moderation

June 3rd, 2011
12:17 pm

The farms of Georgia should be able to operate by employing Georgians.

Maybe the farms need to lower their profits by not using inexpensive illegal laborers.

Stella

June 3rd, 2011
12:17 pm

It is refreshing to see that the majority of posters are becoming more and more aware of the high price we pay for having illegal aliens in our state and our country. With cheap labor comes a bigger burden on our entitlement system(s). I hope our country is learning alot from this past recsession and the aftermath that continues. Our immigration policy needs a major overhaul to prevent this from ever happening again. The US cannot continue to take (through the back door) the World’s tired, hungry and poor at the clip of the past decade.

PS – Illegal workers woun’t be needed much in GA right now due the drought. I doubt the law is having an impact as much as mother nature is.

Browncoat

June 3rd, 2011
12:17 pm

I thought unemployment was at 10%. Deport all illegal workers and put the unemployed back to work!

Recalculating

June 3rd, 2011
12:18 pm

AJC’s Big Secret: Needs new editorial columnist.

Sage

June 3rd, 2011
12:25 pm

….. hard-working illegals …..

I am really starting to detest that phrase. If you knew you were illegal (breaking immigration laws) wouldn’t you work your butt off and keep your mouth shut for any low wage, knowing there are other taxpayer funds you can sponge off of? Why buy the cow when you are getting the milk for free?

Independent

June 3rd, 2011
12:27 pm

Since when is $12.50 an hour “slave wages”. My daughter makes less than that at Kroger. But now that Georgia has this illegal immigrant law, I think they need to use it. Anyone using a fake ID or green card should be sentenced to the maximum stint in a Georgia prison and we should pay to keep them there. If farmers can’t get illegals to pick their Vidalia onions at $12.50 an hour, then they should raise their wages to whatever it takes to get the job done, and Georgians should pay the extra price at the grocery store or ecide that it is too costly and the farmers should go out of business. For some agribusinesses, it might be cheaper to relocate south of the border so they can legally use Mexican labor, then export back to the US. Once the law and e-verify kicks in, then the State need to have a compliance audit of all carpet mills in Dalton and all poultry mills in Gainesville. WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!

Typical Democrat

June 3rd, 2011
12:29 pm

This is all George Bush’s fault.

straitroad

June 3rd, 2011
12:29 pm

Your blog post shows a very high level of ignorance. Speaking from personal experience, if there is a labor shortage, it is caused by government welfare checks that you support. Any farmer who tells you that he can’t make a living without illegal labor is lying through his teeth. Farming is hard work. If you’re willing to put in 80 hours a week, you can be successful. If you want to work a 40 hour work week in farming, then you will go bankrupt. Cut off the government dole and see how many people are willing to harvest crops. I promise you they will do it before they starve. Cynthia, you shouldn’t opine on a topic unless you know something about it.

dk

June 3rd, 2011
12:30 pm

If 10 mil of us stop paying income taxes, would be granted the same imunity that illegals have, would the gov push to bring us forward from the shadows, would CT be writing articles about the need of keeping us Undocumented Income Tax Avoiders from jail? After all, we would have built a life, we would have roots, we would be a part of the workforce, we would be paying the local taxes to our communities…

We have done amnesty before, and it has done nothing to stop the problem of people breaking out laws.

What CT should write about, is not that farmers need illegals, but farmers have jobs available, so lets get those jobs filled and watch our unemployment rate drop. Before anyway says the pay is too low, here is the second solution:

How many state prisoners are sitting around doing nothing? We taxpayers pay for their food, housing, clothing, etc, why not have the farmers pay the low wage to the state for every worker, the prisoner gets their usually salary and fthe rest of the armer money could go to help pay prisoner costs.

Simple solution.

I'm a Cynthia suck up

June 3rd, 2011
12:32 pm

I love you Cynthia; however, you are even starting to lose me with your rants and total lack of logic.

Independent

June 3rd, 2011
12:36 pm

I have argued against the people who believe that illegals avoid paying taxes until I am blue in the face. For the umpteenth time, if the IRS can’t look at employer’s submitted W-2a and match them with an employees filed (or some of you claim, not filed) tax return and see if they match. A computer can do that. If they claim 15 dependents, the IRS should check the SS numbers of those dependents just like they supposedly check your or my dependents. If these illegals are not paying income tax, it is because of our own lax enforcement, just like our lack of an e-verify law (at the Federal level) allows businesses to escape punishment for hiring illegals.

Jimmy62

June 3rd, 2011
12:36 pm

So farmers can’t find illegals to dot he work. Guess they will have to comply with the law and pay at least minimum wage. I hear there are a lot of low income unemployed US CITIZENS out there looking for jobs. The lie is that there are jobs Americans won’t do. The truth is that there are jobs Americans won’t do at the pay being offered. Farmers will have to adjust the same way that businesses adjust when some politicians decide to raise taxes. But now they won’t be breaking the law.

Red

June 3rd, 2011
12:36 pm

Completely off topic (maybe)
I rarely address the columnists directly when I play here in the pits, but two things:

1) Love seeing you on the Sunday morning talk shows from D.C. Ms. Tucker. I wish you were a regular.
2) I will subscribe to AJC home delivery 7 days a week as soon as it’s printed on hemp fiber grown right here in Georgia.

joe suggs

June 3rd, 2011
12:38 pm

To ramzad, let the hispanics pay for their own kids to be born ! Also for their own education .As a U.S taxpayer i am tired of it !

Crazykkk

June 3rd, 2011
12:41 pm

Most of stupid commentators here are stupid damn kkk (klan). They are racist, hatefull, anti blacks and anti immigrants. Watch them oug.

smk

June 3rd, 2011
12:43 pm

The reason there was no problem finding labor in the 1800s is because there were no immigration laws – America was a beacon of freedom for people all over the world. Now, we’re a private country club, and good luck getting membership. I have a very good friend who was here on a legal visa, running a small business, paying taxes, etc. Her visa expired, and where is she now? “Detained.” They’re considering deporting her rather than doing everything they can to make her a citizen. Her husband and children are still here (legally) while she is basically in jail. She’s not from Mexico, by the way, but it really doesn’t matter. There are people who are productive members of society, and people that are not. We have lost our direction as a country that was founded on freedom for all people because we decided in the early 1900s that it was time to do something about all these foreigners coming to America. Fix immigration laws.

Independent

June 3rd, 2011
12:43 pm

And for you folks that believe most illegals work by getting picked up at the local lumber store and paid under the table as “contractors”, can that happen? Certainly. But there are strict IRS rules about what is a contractor and what is an employee. An IRS agent could watch and see what construction company picks up the illegals, follow and see how they work and then see if the company correctly assigned him as an employee. If not, off to jail with the contractor. And that can happen if the people standing on the corner are illegal Mexicans or if they are Americans. My favorite story is about the good American fishermen last year that wanted BP to reimburse them for the pay they lost from the oil spill. Unfortunately, they coulodn’t accout for the wages they made the year before, having apparently been paid “under the table”.

Crazykkk

June 3rd, 2011
12:45 pm

Most of stupid commentators here are stupid damn kkk (klan). They are racist, hatefull, anti blacks and anti immigrants. Watch them out.

Pkom

June 3rd, 2011
1:01 pm

I read that in the Netherlands 2% of the population works in agriculture and they produce more
food than they need. It seems like the U.S. is the only country that has a problem finding
people to work in agriculture and has to have a continuous stream of illegal aliens to
keep the economy running. We need to copy other countries that don’t have the illegal
immigration problem.

Fed up

June 3rd, 2011
1:06 pm

Why do the farmers start crying about the illegals in this state? There are enough LEGALS coming into the state that are given jobs in the Atlanta area. If Legals are bus driven to Perry, Ga to work in a chicken farm, why can’t they live and work in an agriculture farming area? I mean, after all, we are paying for everything including Medicaid.

Dido

June 3rd, 2011
1:10 pm

Ga workers do not need illegals, they need to pay a decent wage. Agriculture worked years ago because of slavery, then sharecropping, then bad economies, not illegal workers. If you pay a decent wage legal workers will do it. Cynthia Tucker is trying to justify breaking the law, just like a liberal and Democrat. There is a process to immigrate to this country, there are legal guest workers in South GA may I say you forget, just like in other agriculture states.

I need half a million dollars, so do I get to take out a illegal loan to justify my needs. Why are illegal Mexican different than Asians, Europeans, Haitians, Cubans and other South American countries?

One Eye Jack

June 3rd, 2011
1:13 pm

Back in WWII, since many workers were off fighting the war, America used Axis POWs to harvest crops. Both the farmers and the POWs loved it.

OK, so we already have illegals in jail, they are called convicts.Set some reasonable criteria so the non-violent ones get to harvest crops, and their wages are used to pay their jail cost, reimburse their victims, and if anythign is left, saved for them when they get outta jail.

We must break the Dem and Rep circle of ‘no action’ on illegal immigrants. It is un-American to reward illegal behavior. Unless, of course, you want to encourage even more illegal behavior. We tried that with the 1986 amnesty, please don’t repeat that mistake again, learn something, OK?

Enforce the law. If it becomes OK for all of us to ignore one law, then I will quit paying taxes.

DebbieDoRight

June 3rd, 2011
1:13 pm

Akeya: Why not strip lazy, criminal AMERICANS of their socials and legal status and reward them to hard-working illegals?

Because of a little thing called the Constitution. Perhaps you’ve heard of it……… :roll:

Tom(Independent)

June 3rd, 2011
1:16 pm

Every liberal is trying to find someway to justify that we need ILLEGALS for this and that. Ok. the fact is, perhaps liberals and not us conservatives, need to be taxed more heavily to support the ILLEGALS they seem to love! I still believe, pay citizens a decent wage and they will work just about any job in these times. Saw a protester in front of the Capitol yesterday, wearing a shirt with the word on it saying I’m UNDOCUMENTED. Just daring someone to get him. Too bad he could not be snatched up and sent back to Mexico, where he would be LEGAL and DOCUMENTED! Those types really piss me off!

yuzeyurbrane

June 3rd, 2011
1:21 pm

smk, good historical insight into immigration laws. However, I disagree on 1 point. I think historians have concluded that most immigrants came here because they heard “the streets are paved with gold” rather than our being a beacon of freedom. For example, the Great Irish Potato Famine. Nice national myth though.

dixiedemons

June 3rd, 2011
1:24 pm

If you can pay a mailman $ 25 plus an hour to put a piece of paper in a box…… You can pay a field hand $ 25 plus to put a watermelon on back on a truck. ready willing & able

Hootinanny Yum Yum

June 3rd, 2011
1:27 pm

Jobs? Economy?

stand up and fight

June 3rd, 2011
1:28 pm

@ Thogwummpy 12:15

This is the mindset of our country, and why we are are facing the problems we are. The US is falling behind the rest of the World – we are loosing credibility, respect, financial power, etc..

It has to start with where we started screwing up, turning a blind eye of our immigration policies. All the people that have come to our country have contributed to the boom and the bust. We must now re-build, but we have to do it smart. Illegal immigration has created a hostile environment and a fight over the entitlements – if illegas can get XYZ, then why can’t I? … and the downslide continues.

Illegals have not been used, they have benefited greatly from the US taxpayers and our systems of freebies. Illeglas have gained so much that they can return to their countries at a better advatage that those that stayed. Illeglas can go home and rebuild their countries, what true valiant statesmen do!

Our country has got to be more selective in who we let in. Lets not forget 9/11, our lax immigration and visitor policies brought about that disasterous event. Think of this a Spring cleaning in America, we have to get our house in order or else it is going to foreclosed on and/or condemed!

Let ALL OF our POLITICIANS know we are going to force them to make the decisions WE THE PEOPLE want! Overhaul immigration now with strict polcies that don’t entice law breakers!

Annie Jo

June 3rd, 2011
1:28 pm

Georgia Farmers do not need illegal immigrants in the fields. They need LEGAL WORKERS. It is like any crime. Just like illegal drugs. You get ADDICTED. Georgia Farmers and other corrupt rich corporations have had their ILLEGAL DRUG, whoops ILLEGAL ALIENS, so long, they are having withdrawal pains. Now, is the time, to restore the rule of law, by getting people to do work, LEGALLY. They can do that, by being creative to attract LEGAL WORKERS. I have seen construction on highways and businesses being done at night. Shift as many of the work in fields to night work, or early morning, so that NO ONE is forced to work like a slave in the burning all day sun. Yes, you will need bright lights and will have to spend some money to incorporate new ways of doing things, to attract and keep a LEGAL WORKFORCE. It can be done. The problem is, rich corporate elites and the Agricultural business have not had to be creative, because they have always been able to depend on the MILLIONS of INVADING ILLEGALS. It is time for us as a SOVEREIGN PEOPLE, of a SOVEREIGN NATION, to demand the RICH CORPORATE GREEDY ELITE and the ILLEGAL ALIENS, do what we have to do. Learn to survive, within the perimeters of the RULE OF LAW. Not Complicated.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

June 3rd, 2011
1:29 pm

Illegal labor is slave labor…

Mama Says

June 3rd, 2011
1:32 pm

Hey Cynthia a drug addict NEEDS crack is that a reson to make it legal or is it a reason to understand the problem the addict has and fix it ?

Your logic can be used to support ANY illegal act.

SPEEDING cause I am in a hurry

STEALING cause I need it

When does the logic stop ?

kevinbgoode

June 3rd, 2011
1:33 pm

So is there some reason why the state legislators can’t spend half-a-day working in the fields? It’s not like they are actually working in the state assembly to make life better for Georgians – they might as well give something back by doing a little physical work themselves.

Club Member

June 3rd, 2011
1:35 pm

“Now, we’re a private country club, and good luck getting membership.”

The US should be an expensive, private club that you have to pay dearly to join but it is not! We are like the public pools right now that are being vandalized and those that don’t want to pay can just sneak in and jump over the fence.

As a member of the US country club of taxpayers, I demand illegals go home!

Illeglas have proven they have the guts to come here uninvited and find creative ways to stay hear for years, then they can go back to their native country and fight for change for themselves and their people. If they wish to come back, we are an invitation only high priced facility!

mike

June 3rd, 2011
1:35 pm

I don’t see what the problem is. These folks in Georgia voted these goobers into office and this is what they get. I did not see the complaints until President Obama got into office and is now being blamed for all the illegal immigrants being here like he personally walked them across the border. When times get hard there is a certain segment of the US population who always blames others for their problems. And you know who you are.

Cynthia the Bigot

June 3rd, 2011
1:36 pm

So Cynthia, you are in support of using ’slave’ labor. Interesting.

Tom(Independent)

June 3rd, 2011
1:37 pm

Just saw the comment about sending prisoners to S Ga to work on the crops. Do you really think they would give up their life of playing basketball, softball etc, lifting weights and watching TV for laboring work? I bet they would RIOT and then sue the State of Georgia for violating their rights. The ACLU would file the suit for them!!!!!!!!!!

KC

June 3rd, 2011
1:40 pm

“I did not see the complaints until President Obama got into office and is now being blamed for all the illegal immigrants being here like he personally walked them across the border.”

No one openly spoke, wrote, or blogged about illegal immigration because the impact was not exposed until the great recsession, when the mere notion of Obama taking office was about to occur.

mike, maybe you were not writing your politicians and demanding change but many of us were. Now that the bills are coming due, sugardaddy (the politicians) are discovering who has hands in the cookie jar the most. Come to find out illeglas TAKE much more than have ever contributed to our economy.

Zedd

June 3rd, 2011
1:41 pm

I have no sympathy for farmers that rely on illegal immigrant labor to harvest their fields. They knowingly broke the law in the name of the almighty dollar and made their bed on a false foundation, now they have to lie in it.

Nomination for blog quote of the day: “Cobb Woman of Color”

“The inmates in Georgia’s prisons should be used on the farms. The money they make can go back to the state to pay for their stint in prison.”

Great idea! It sure beats them sitting around watching cable tv inside with air conditioning all day on our dimes.

Granny Godzilla

June 3rd, 2011
1:42 pm

We should let all illegals stay here in America.

In addition, we should provide them with health care, housing, transportation, educational services and a living wage.

Wha?

June 3rd, 2011
1:43 pm

“No Irish need apply”

This is a often repeated problem in history. People come into the country illegally (you think the Scots-Irish had green cards in the 1800’s?), try to get whatever work they can, and keep their money to their own areas. Meanwhile, established citizens complain that the illegals take jobs without any benefits to themselves, yet the businessmen still hires them for cheap (and mostly defenseless) labor.

If we haven’t solved it in over 100 years, why do people think it’s a new problem that can be solved with new rules. Illegal workers isn’t a problem unique to Georgia, or even the US (how do the French get in their grapes?) It’s a pattern that is pretty well established in society, and won’t be fixed by just trowing a law at it. Don’t have a answer to it (immates won’t do as well in harvesting as the current labor source, and do you really want to eat an onion that a bad-attitude prisioner pulls out of the ground?), but I think that pulling out a labor source this quickly isn’t going to help the local economy. The farmers seem to agree.

Red

June 3rd, 2011
1:44 pm

The prison labor argument is compelling at first glance, certainly. But the average prisoner wage is something like 19 cents an hour paid to an account to be used only in the prison commissary for candy bars and other ‘luxuries’. This is to ensure that an underground economy doesn’t end up thriving under the direction of convicts.

Assuming that agricultural production is time sensitive piece work, how on earth could a farmer rely on convicts to get his crop from the fields in good shape before it rots, when the convicts realize that the department of corrections is collecting at least 60 times the amount that he gets?

Without bullwhips cracking- how indeed?

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

June 3rd, 2011
1:50 pm

As usual you are so WRONG. Illegal means NOT legal, what part of that don’t you understand? Lawbreakers might help you, but I doubt it.

Steve

June 3rd, 2011
1:50 pm

I agree that hispanics have great work ethics. I attribute this partially to the fact that the governments in the countries they originally came from were\are unable to hand out necessities (food, shelter, etc) to them.

American’s also use to be known around the world for their work ethic. As our government found more ways to give necessities to people rather than make them work for it, our overall work ethic declined
That is not to say all Americans who are receiving government assistance have a poor work ethic. But there are certainly many who do.
A strong work ethic is developed by working. I don’t know anyone who developed one while being given handouts.

Fletch

June 3rd, 2011
1:51 pm

For those on here making the claim the these folks “just want to do an honest days work”, I provide the following “real life” exanmple of the poor downtroddedn “undocumented” worker.

Currently, I have 5 Workers Compensation claims that are tied up in litigation in Nevada, California and New Mexico. I’ll only provide the last names:

Mendoza – Injured back while moving a computer monitor 7 months ago. Still receiving WC payments

Zamora – Injured back while flipping mattress 8 months ago. Still recieving WC payments

Padilla – Injured back falling out of chair 8 months ago. Still receiving WC payments.

Carmona – Injured shoulder moving toaster oven 11 months ago. Still receiving WC Payments.

Carranza – injured shoulder throwing trash into the dumpster 12 months ago. Final settlement – $50,000

What do all of these have in common you ask?

1. All fraudulent claims
2. All Hispanic
2. All could not pass E-Verify.

However, the EEOC and the state board of WC in each state has determined, that even though they are here illegaly, they are still afforded the same considerations and protections as a U.S. citizen.

Please spare me the “plight of the undocumented worker” speech. These people know exactly how the system works, and they take FULL advantage of it.

GB

June 3rd, 2011
1:56 pm

I see you managed to shoehorn in the comment about global warming. Until George Bush started destroying life as we know it (just as the villains are now threatening Medicare as we know it), the farmers never had to worry about droughts. Not in 1954; not in 1980.

But to the topic at hand: yes, not many Americans will work that hard for 12.50 per hr. But if immigration is restricted, and if illegal immigration is stopped, then market pressure would bid up the price of labor. At some price I would be willing to pick crops; at some price you would. They would find labor if they paid enough. And yes, we would see the price of food go up, but so what? That is how things are. And we would save the significant costs of providing medical treatment and schooling for illegals (and poorly educated, relatively unproductive LEGAL immigrants too, for that matter).

Independent

June 3rd, 2011
1:56 pm

Hey Fletch – if your five WC employees could not pass e-verify, THEN WHY DID YOU HIRE THEM!!!

becky

June 3rd, 2011
1:58 pm

@Akeya: have you ever heard the saying, “If it was easy everyone would be doing it”? Coming into this country legally is difficult but doable. Coming into this country illegally is not easy but it’s easier than doing it correctly. When something is not a problem in a person’s immediate life/situation then it’s not a problem “to them”. Without illegal workers then there would be no need for the low wages. If a person earns a better living with benefits would that not be better? Another thing would it make you a little uneasy if someone moved into your home without your permission with their child/children because they had no where to go and wanted better. Oh and they told you they needed to help their family that’s on the street so they used your bank account, ate your groceries and didn’t tell you how much they earned and would leave you a couple dollars on the table because they needed to do stuff with the rest. How long would you let them stay?

I have listened to a conversation when working at the Social Service office between two Hispanics and they conversation was one bragging how they would sneak across the border to have their baby on US soil so they had a citizen and could come to the get the benefits. How hard is that? Risky maybe but hard?? They didn’t know I speak Spanish fluently. It makes me sick to hear people talk about something they know nothing about. When you get paid cash there is no real reporting unless you need it as a write off. But if your profit is such that you don’t need full labor write off then it’s not necessary. The IRS following the people that pick up illegals as absurd. I’m always passing them by and when I found out what they were doing I was shocked. As for the people that say Americans wouldn’t lay asphalt…that’s a LIE!!! My husband does it and when the work is slow because the illegals aren’t able to collect unemployment (because they don’t pay into the system) in the off season they find things for them to do to keep paying them. It’s upsetting because the citizens are sent home to collect unemployment while the illegals are earning full wages which comes to more than unemployment…especially in Georgia. Illegal immigrants aren’t just filling jobs in farming but they are filling jobs that Americans will do but because people in this country are buying into that LIE they continue to sell it. If a company has illegals the IRS is not hawking them. If they were the E-Verify system would be better enforced.

I do like the idea of the dead beat dads/moms working on the farm when they refuse to work to pay for their children. They work in the fields and the check is split 40/60 between them and the custodial parents. When they realize what it takes to take care of a child full time they will keep the jobs and pay their child support.

Fletch

June 3rd, 2011
2:04 pm

Independent – “THEN WHY DID YOU HIRE THEM!!!”

We didn’t, they are employees of clients in the various states I mentioned. Once the cliams were submitted, the insurance carrier came back with the information that the SS #’s the employees provided were tied to several other individuals ( in some cases up to 10). When I contacted the WC Boards and the EEOC, I was informed that there was nothing they could do. Once a claim is filed, they receive full protection.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
2:14 pm

A lot of sock-puppets here today.

All saying the same thing.

Just because you post under multiple names, it doesn’t mean that your point is any less stupid.

becky

June 3rd, 2011
2:30 pm

AMEN FLETCH. They understand the system and they work it to their advantage. When their families arrive after them they teach them the system so they all benefit. They use ss cards they bought off the street and we had to learn how to tell a real on from a fake one…not too easy. Run that number and you get three four hits on that one number. So employers are blindly taking the ss card and not verifying it so they get jobs that citizens would do. Of course they have a great work ethic and that’s something but bring that same work ethic with integrity and become legal. Wonder how many of them would do those same jobs if they were legal citizens!!

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
2:31 pm

Bait.

Cast.

Strike!

And the guilty dog barks first/loudest.

Kamchak's Upchuck

June 3rd, 2011
2:31 pm

Kamchak is about as useless as a sock puppet — never contributes to the conversation.

A little pissy Kamchak that this blog is mostly anti-illegal folks?

We were doing fine without your stupid pointless additions, sport! :)

Norcross

June 3rd, 2011
2:34 pm

I posted this yesterday on Insider, but here it goes again. My illegal neighbors down the street just got their house FORCLOSED on. Upon further investigation several other homes in my ‘hood were lost to the banks by mostly ILLEGALS. How the heck can an illegal buy a home? How have they been doing this, just like fake employment docs? WTH!!!

This crap is deeper than I ever realized. If you have a lot of illegals in your area, take a look at the public notices on foreclosures and go back into the archives as well. Mamy more than I anticipated were names unlike Joe Smith or Mary Johnson.

This goes alot further than illlegals being hard workers and needing them in the produce filds of south GA!

Fletch

June 3rd, 2011
2:34 pm

becky – “AMEN FLETCH.”

Thanks becky. And for the record, I have a problem with ANYONE gaming a system designed to help people that are truly in need.

Sue from Lima

June 3rd, 2011
2:36 pm

“And the guilty dog barks first/loudest”

All the dogs start barking when butt ugly hits the room!

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
2:42 pm

All the dogs start Only one dog starts barking leg humping when butt ugly Kamchak hits the room!

fixed your typos

SaveOurRepublic

June 3rd, 2011
2:48 pm

- Will Jones, you are very wise indeed sir. To understand the Globalist Elite (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc.), is to understand those who puppeteer the pawns on “Cr@pitol sHill”.

- Granny Godzilla @ 13:42 EDT (6/3/11), surely you jest. I’ll assume you’re being facetious (hopefully).

bill

June 3rd, 2011
2:49 pm

why in heaven’s name would someone work in the hot sun for a living when they are provided 99 weeks of unemployment, food stamps, housing assistance, unlimited welfare, free medical care..I mean come on Cynthia you gotta be kiddin’…..

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
2:56 pm

Tell you what, Granny: let’s send them all to YOUR house…

Granny Godzilla and I are the most name-jacked posters here at CT’s, so I’ll tell you what, sport — let’s find out if that’s the real Granny Godzilla talking first, before any of you say anything else that’s so stupid, OK?

Red

June 3rd, 2011
2:56 pm

Methinks Granny has been sock puppet hijacked Pablo. Can the moderator confirm this?

Pablo

June 3rd, 2011
2:56 pm

From Granny Godzilla:

10:58 a.m.: “We must take money away from the people that have earned it and give it to the people that need it. It should not matter if you have squander (sic) your opportunities as an American”
1:42 p.m.: “We should let all illegals stay here in America. In addition, we should provide them with health care, housing, transportation, educational services and a living wage.”

Tell you what, Granny: let’s send them all to YOUR house, where YOU can use your money to house, feed, clothe and maintain the lifestyle you want for the ILLEGALS and all the losers you seem to care so much about. Deal?

Matthew

June 3rd, 2011
2:59 pm

I’m a student of history, and guess what?

That was the same argument that was used to justify slavery as well.

Independent

June 3rd, 2011
3:02 pm

Fletch at 2:04 PM – All the more reason to have a strong MANDATORY Federal E-verify system in place that employers must use to screen out the illegals. If there aren’t any jobs, they will not come. But the e-verify system has been around for a while, if your clients didn’t use it to verify the immigration status, then they got what they deserved. They also probably got some good workers, too, among the illegals. I worked at a company that (probably) hired illegals. We knew we had a couple when they got deported. We did what was required by law: we filled out the I-9 form, looked at their (fake) ID forms, and filed it in our file cabinet. The government never asked about these forms. When we had a couple of openings, it usually worked out that one local and one immigrant got hired. After about two weeks the local would leave, saying “the work is too hard and too dirty”. Of course that was back in better times. The immigrant would keep on working. And ALL of our workers made the same amount, it was based on their job category. We withheld all the proper taxes (SS and Medicare and what fed and state tax was correct according to their W-4 form). We treated them just like they were legal, becasue they had to be in our minds, or we would be subject to prosecution. That was the “wink and a nod” system that has been going on for nearly thirty years. Amnesty? Hell, we have been giving amnesty to illegals for thirty years, so why now are we all up in arms about it? There are good middle-of-the-road, workable solutions, but the Dems and the Repubs in Washington can’t agree about whether the sun is shining at noon, so nothing will get done. Lots of political posturing, though.

Sock Puppet

June 3rd, 2011
3:04 pm

There’s no telling where Kamchak’s hand(s) have been, even his keyboard doesn’t want him to touch it. Garbage in, vomit out, sport!

tar and feathers party

June 3rd, 2011
3:24 pm

No, Georgia farmers need workers. Where oh where could they get them from? Oh, I know, the 9.1% of workers who are unemployed! Make em work rather than collect a free pay check from Uncle Stupid and his double ugly little bothers. Did you know the American states are in worse financial shape than the failing country called Greece? We cannot afford to pay unemployment benefits any longer, make the unemployed git down to South Georgia and start picking those crops. Dead beat scum anyway!

a reader

June 3rd, 2011
3:26 pm

prison laborers. great idea. have to have plenty of guards so there ain’t no failure to communicate tho.
glad to see the new Deal bill is working so quickly.

bev

June 3rd, 2011
3:28 pm

MONTY – You must be the simpleton. You don’t have a valid argument. Must be horrible to be so full of hatred! I’m so happy that I don’t have to live my life filled with such toxins!!

c tuck daffy duck

June 3rd, 2011
3:28 pm

“gut-busting pressures of a harsh new Georgia law targeting”

Not your usual routine game of ultimate hyperbole, eh C?

How about “Nazi-busting-the-Jews pressures”? …an “ultra-extreme right-wing insidious” law that puts “illegals in the crosshairs of self-satisfied bloated fat conservatives.”?

Come on Cynthia! Obama’s down in the polls, the economy, employment, the real estate market, the stock market and Democrat outlooks are all tanking severely. You NEED to start fomenting the hate. Do your part. Justify it all by saying we started it. Your nitwit readers will agree, I’m sure.

Do it for your man, HIM, before whom every liberal knee shall bend.

hardworkpaysoff

June 3rd, 2011
3:31 pm

so… who worked the farms before illegals? kids? sounds like something GA could use, might help with our childhood obesity epidemic. instead of playing video games all summer, maybe the lazy, spoiled kids out there should go out and see what a real day’s worth of work is on the farm. seems like kids these days have it way too easy and are given way too many frivolous items (iphone, ipad, brand new cars) without having to even lift a finger for them.

Pablo

June 3rd, 2011
3:34 pm

Kamchack:

If it is not Granny, fine and dandy. My post applies to whoever made them.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
3:35 pm

And the sock-puppets just keep a comin’.

DannyX

June 3rd, 2011
3:52 pm

For those unemployed conservative Republican Tea Partiers going down to south Georgia to work in the fields bring some sun screen, its 100 degrees today, and the next 4 months.

Now I know you don’t believe in global warming. Just pretend its 75 degrees, that should help.

Atlantan

June 3rd, 2011
4:00 pm

That is like saying the plantation owners needed slaves – nothing like low wage labor. I’m frankly shocked this column is coming from you.

I’m all for a green-card / work visa program for this low-wage labor. However, when they start using government services and not contributing to the tax base or assimilating is when overwhelming illegal immigrants become a problem. I’m all for a path to citizenship for the 12-20 million here, but a requirement to learn English and a GED at the very least should be part of it. American Citizenship is a privilege and not a right.

TruthBe

June 3rd, 2011
4:11 pm

Poor lttle liberal idiots. The immigrants can legally get right to work visas, so that way they can legally earn wages for their families. And yes pay their fair share of taxes, like the rest of us. So stop the BS. Illegals should go home. And if they want to work in America than do it legally. Go thru the proper paper work and immigate legally. Welcome new “legal Immigrants”. As for climate change DannyX you need to do some real research and stop drinking the obamajuice my friend. Kamchak and Granny there’s no hope for you guys because you refuse to let go of the blackchip on your shoulder.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

June 3rd, 2011
4:12 pm

Cynthia, that’s interesting, you support taking advantage of a minority group by paying them pathetic wages and making them work horrible hours because you know they won’t complain……

Hmmmm, seems like that is something you would oppose??

Akeya

June 3rd, 2011
4:13 pm

Debbie- yes, I’ve heard of the Constitution. Are you going to offer a REALISTIC solution to the problem while at the same time looking at the fact that there are many more Americans with constitutional rights that are screwing up the economy much more than illegals?

Becky- Yes, I’ve heard it. The problem is that as Americans, we are afforded the opportunity to visit and/or work in almost ANY country without problems obtaining visas, work permits, erc. solely because we are from the United States. We have not suffered the plight of not finding work here and having to go elsewhere to find work. How can one NOT admire people that would travel THOUSANDS of miles away from their own families, culture, language, lifestyles to come here and be denigrated? Illegals are not living like the rich and the famous.

I worked in social services and I think it’s completely unfair that the children of illegals receive benefits. I am not saying that people should be able to just come as they please. I AM saying that for the ones who have been here for years working and have not cause trouble, be given an opportunity to stay here. Hell, I think many would be willing to pay a fine for staying in the country. Imagine how much money could be recouped from charging illegal immigrants a minimum of 100 per month to stay here and work. HELLO?! Billions of dollars in income for the U.S.

As for finding Americans who will do the job, I truly believe that there are Americans who would be willing to do the jobs that illegals are doing. But I also believe that as Americans our expectations are different (dare I say higher?) than those of illegals. The lifestyles are different. Illegals can work for less money because their lifestyles are different. They generally don’t pay 400-500 per month for daycare because there is a fellow countryman who will do it for less. They generally will be more accepting of sharing housing, therefore paying less in living expenses. Americans are raised to believe that we should grow up and have our own houses with just our husbands and children and MAYBE grandparents living with us-no one else.
Illegals will pile a lot of people into a car to get from one place to another. Many Americans will be friends, all going to the same place, but take 2-3 different cars. THE STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT.

If you have lived in a country where you make 5.00 a DAY, you will be raised to expect and need different things from someone who was born and raised in a country where you can make 5.00 an HOUR.

Further, I can’t believe the level of immaturity from the posters here. Really, is there no way to have a decent, mature and productive conversation about how to alleviate this problem?

WOODSTOCK MIKE

June 3rd, 2011
4:17 pm

@Akeya

I don’t think anyone has something against people that are trying to provide for their families. Unfortunately this is much more complicated than that. I see you have made a few good points, however, don’t see any real solution. If you are illegal you are illegal, and I don’t follow what you are saying about Americans being treated differently in other countries, we have to go through the exact same process as anyone to work and live in other countries??

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
4:22 pm

Kamchak and Granny there’s no hope for you guys because you refuse to let go of the blackchip on your shoulder.

Awwwww diddums, I haven’t given you any reason for hope?

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Akeya

June 3rd, 2011
4:28 pm

Mike,
It is extremely complicated, but I also think that people think it’s as simple as deporting millions of people. That would be devastating to the economy and our society.
I could only brainstorm the couple of examples I provided.
Americans have to follow the same rules and apply, but it is much easier for us to be approved for visas and such.

BlahBlahBlah

June 3rd, 2011
4:31 pm

Raise the hourly wage. The workers will come. Market forces at work.

Tom

June 3rd, 2011
4:34 pm

Cynthia, with respect, in 1855, the headline would have been “Georgia Farmers Need Slaves.”

Harry Callahan

June 3rd, 2011
4:36 pm

Maybe some of the 10% unemployed should pick ruit instead of soaking up those unemployment beenfits for 122 weeks.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
4:49 pm

What’s a ruit?

nasonlead

June 3rd, 2011
4:55 pm

Im sorry but most of you people do not know what you are talking about. I am a south Georgia onion grower and I participate in the H2A guest worker program. In order to do so I must build adequate housing that is inspected upon completion. I must then contract with a broker for legal workers. The validity of these workers is confirmed by the federal Government at the Mexican border before they ever enter the country and I must pay for the validation. I must then provide adequate transportation (chartered a/c bus with a restroom) from the border to my farm and back to the border when the harvest season is completed. i must guarantee a minimum wage of 9.50 but the rate is based upon production and if a worker is only making that then he isnt working very hard for me and is slowing my harvest down. I must then advertise this job with living quarters and the wage in the local paper and i have to hire any and all who apply. This year three people did and I have not seen them since but since they applied that was three less mexican workers that i could hire. i am aslo required to provide weekly transportation to the closest area shoppin center (wal mart) even doing all this I have not been able to hire enough workers this year because they do not want to come to Georgia anymore.

nasonlead

June 3rd, 2011
5:05 pm

yuze i just read your comment about 38 cents a basket. First of all baskets havent been used since the 50’s down here. The going rate for a clipped field bag of onions (60-70lbs) is $1.96 per bag and the average clipper earns about $700.00 a week. It is true that the work is hard and excruiating but do not dare to pretend to equate this with slavery when you have no idea what you are talking about please.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 3rd, 2011
5:06 pm

Georgia farmers aren’t going to let their crops rot in the field. They’re going to raise wages high enough so that lazy Americans will do the job.

Sounds like a win all the way around.

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
5:11 pm

Cynthia, So legal work permit holders are afraid to come to Georgia to work?????
And you base that opinion on what?? Rubbish! Another Tucker RED HERRING! (can I get some soy sause with that?)
Grannie:
You are serious aren’t you?/ I feel like breaking into a chorus of “WE ARE THE WORLD” What are you drinking (can I get a glass?).
Then essentually we should extend health benifits, constitutional rights, etc to the world. Are you and George Soros going to pay for it?????
We are going broke trying to support our own real citizens.
You can’t possibly be that blind; I have more respect for your intelligence that to think you are even mildly serious.

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
5:20 pm

nasonlead:
You are wasting you breath; you are trying to explain the reality of farming to intercity liberals. They think farm products come from food stamps!!!
p.s. Cynthia, how many crops are you growing on your “back 40 acres” there in downtown Manhattan????

Siege

June 3rd, 2011
5:21 pm

Yes, the farmers can easily raise the wages they pay their workers. But they’ll end up passing that increase on the us, the consumers buying the products.

I’m all for putting the inmates in our overcrowded prisons out in the fields. At least this way they can be vaguely useful and it might give a few of them a little incentive to stay out of jail.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
5:21 pm

p.s. Cynthia, how many crops are you growing on your “back 40 acres” there in downtown Manhattan????

Our hostess resides in D.C., sport.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 3rd, 2011
5:23 pm

Do away with the two years worth of unemployment benefits and watch the folks line up for those $12.50/hour jobs.

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
5:24 pm

on gee, Than grow a lot more in DC (mostly weed I think). I didn’t realize Soros was requiring his employees to reside in DC now.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
5:31 pm

I didn’t realize…

It’s painfully obvious there is a lot that you don’t realize.

GT

June 3rd, 2011
5:32 pm

Of all the problems this state has how does this illegal immigration item even get on the list. The same scholars that graduated from the 45th ranked educated state in the union now thinks it has what it takes to show the nation the way. The monotone hick accented explanation when you can interpret it is these “Mexicans” are using all our facilities and not paying for them. This group of scholars that hesitate to give single digit sums in their collective heads are now explaining to the rest of the nation the economic effects of carry a cheap labor force. The same bunch that so cleverly declared a civil war because someone was taking away their cheap labor now want nothing to do with it . I was reading the other day that Palin’s appeal to these people is she doesn’t talk down to them, the anti immigration people. She dumbs down the message so they don’t get mad at her but at smart people. Well friends you have been in self created poverty for most of your existence. When the illegals don’t come anymore and agriculture can’t compete with the rest of the country or the world and an impoverished state becomes more so, see if you have any more bright ideas among you.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 3rd, 2011
5:34 pm

GT, Delta is ready when you are. You’ll be going against the general trend, though, of folks leaving those wonderful northern states and moving to the South.

ck hall

June 3rd, 2011
5:38 pm

What a shame you take these positions to fit your politics…

DannyX

June 3rd, 2011
5:53 pm

“GT, Delta is ready when you are.”

Wow, that was the most witty original comeback I have ever read on these blogs, you really knocked him out with that one!

Send the illegals back, boycott, onions, chicken, corn, lettuce, peaches, restaurants…

Heck, just boycott eating.

Or send our unemployed down to do the work, we’ll starve but send a message.

TBone

June 3rd, 2011
5:55 pm

It is always easy to remove the problem to someone else’s back yard but alot of you need to wake up and see that the illegal immigrant problem is probably more rampant in the metro area than south Georgia. Who cuts your lawn, who paints the house, who pours the concrete, who cooks your fast food and so on and so on. It’s disingenuos to lay all of this at farmers’ feet; we all take advantage of the “low cost” labor. By the way, I do all of my own yard and house work and rarely frequent fast food joints.

GT

June 3rd, 2011
5:57 pm

Five generations Georgian on both sides of my family and my wives. Doesn’t this crowd, this state ever get tired of being stupid and on the wrong side of issues. Don’t you ever blame yourselves for some of the hardships we have endured. We start a war that set us back till this day and we are still fighting that war. This is not about illegal immigrants it is about hate, the same hate that has fuel us for about all our history. Your facts are wrong but they always have been. What you really hate are the facts because you are always on the wrong side of them.

yuzeyurbrane

June 3rd, 2011
5:57 pm

nasonlead, go read what I said again. I was paraphrasing a blogger who claimed to be 1 of your brother onion growers and he clearly said 38 cents combined with a tv news story on the Ga. law showing workers filling what appeared to be bushel sized containers which I subjectively labeled “baskets”. My point was that it was large and appeared to be a lot of onions. As to the piecerate, sounds like your competitor is getting a lot cheaper because he probably does not participate in H2A program and uses illegals. Just the point. Also, I have worked with migrant farmworkers and know how most growers treat them up close and personal. You are to be commended for obeying the law and providing decent working conditions and wages. But you have misdirected anger. You should be peowed at your competitors who undercut you by flaunting the law and preventing a level playing field. The new Ga. law’s burdens will fall primarily on them.

Ray

June 3rd, 2011
6:30 pm

When is the state going to present a back-bill to the farmer’s who encouraged and enticed illegal aliens to come work in Georgia’s fields? Our school’s, teachers, transportation system, health system, etc., have been burdened by the influx of the 400,000 foreigners, and all the cost fell on the backs of Georgia and federal taxpayers.

And, the cost of any bureaucracy formed, or enlarged, to make the labor of those aliens now legal should be borne by the agricultural business in the form of fees. Every business I know would benefit from slave/illegal labor, but, it is not the moral thing to do.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
6:30 pm

TruthBe

June 3rd, 2011
6:37 pm

Kamchak, all you do is apologize for CT. WHY? What connection do you have with her? Are you a family member of hers? Well sport, what is it. CT is a poor acuse of a journlist. She would be better called a George Soros paid lap dog wantbe journlist.

tar and feathers party

June 3rd, 2011
6:48 pm

Kamchak is one of cindy lou’s three other personalities she uses to infiltrate her own blog! The personalities are moving further apart, soon we will have “Sybil” on our hands!

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
6:48 pm

Awwwwwwww diddums, you do have hope for me after all.

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oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
6:51 pm

Amen truth!!!!!

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
6:52 pm

Hey Cynthia (and your twin Jay)
When do we get a new article on the great new job numbers (Hah…Hah).

Chris

June 3rd, 2011
6:55 pm

Cynthia,

Just because you live off of twinkies, fried foods and processed cheese (I can tell by those fat cheeks), and don’t eat vegetables or fruits, doesn’t mean you’re right. Actually, your point of view is illegal, immoral, anti-American and racist. Everything you’ve ever written is somehow favors democrats, blacks or yourself. You’re not only stupid, you’re not worth the bandwidth AJC pays to post your idiotic blogs.

midtownguy

June 3rd, 2011
7:00 pm

The reason that all children born in this country are citizens, is because Georgia and other southern states sought to deny the rights of citizenship to the children of slaves proclaiming that they could not be an american citizens because their parents were africans. So the US congress had to pass legislation that any child born here was automatically a citizen.

Now let us fast forward some years, it was the Georgia US Senators that screamed when the Immigration Service raided the south Georgia onion fields to deport illegals. They insisted, and got from their Republican president, a gutting of the INS so that these raids would stop.

We are sleeping in the bed we made.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
7:03 pm

Shorter Chrissie-poo: Boo–hoo-hoo.

Chris

June 3rd, 2011
7:12 pm

Kamchak (Cynthia),

Where’s Granny (Cynthia)?

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
7:14 pm

folks need to remember that when Cynthia was remodeling her home, she actually picked up some workers/laborers on the side of the road and, at the time, paid them about $6.00 an hour for the work they performed. Then, if I recall, she griped because they were not too dependable and did not not do great work. She has horrible cause & affect intellectual capacity, which is truncated by her liberal ideology.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
7:14 pm

Kamchak (Cynthia),

Where’s Granny (Cynthia)?

Dunno

Chrissie-poo.

Chris

June 3rd, 2011
7:15 pm

Kammy-poo. Oooooh. Burn! I see all 56 IQ points kicked in on that rebuttal.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
7:16 pm

folks need to…

I am a better judge of what I need to do.

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
7:17 pm

OK, how dumb are farmers? Not enough legal laborers? Raise salaries so you can attract more folks – or, work to guarantee that there are enough LEGAL workers for the field work. What does this work pay an hour?

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
7:19 pm

kam – that might be, but until you loosen your way too tight panties so that they stop choking off the blood to the sensible side of your body/brain, I am highly skeptical of that statement.

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
7:21 pm

kammy: does CT living in DC impress you?

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
7:24 pm

…but until you loosen your way too tight panties so that they stop choking off the blood to the sensible side of your body/brain…

I always go commando.

FWIW — Whenever I see someone using imperatives like need to, have to, must etc. it’s a big clue that someone listens to waaaayyyyyy too much talk-radio and tries to use those Jedi mind-tricks that work on them.

Just sayin’.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
7:28 pm

…does CT living in DC impress you?

No.

But if she lived in San Jose, I would be envious.

Chris

June 3rd, 2011
7:28 pm

“Just sayin’” is something Granny says a lot too. Just sayin’!

Jack

June 3rd, 2011
7:29 pm

For the record: the Jack at 10:37AM ain’t me.

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
7:29 pm

Tell me again why CT is on the AJC staff and she doesn’t live within 500 miles of Georgia??? Really sensitive to Atlanta concerns (and committed to Georgia!).

Chris

June 3rd, 2011
7:30 pm

Piffle. Yay blacks. Yay Obama. Yay illegals. Yay Cynthia. Boo common sense and responsibility!

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
7:32 pm

“Just sayin’” is something Granny says a lot too. Just sayin’!

Yep.

The practice started next door at JB’s, and tends to irk certain people over there.

And here too, or so it seems.

Jack

June 3rd, 2011
7:33 pm

Some painful adjustments will have to be made in the farming industry, but we can’t have illegals here under any circumstance.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
7:35 pm

…but we can’t have illegals here under any circumstance.

Are you a round ‘em up and ship ‘em backer?

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
7:39 pm

Not really Kam,
Lets just round them up and shoot them!!
As long as the drug cartel doesn’t beat us to it!

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
8:09 pm

So, you’re Jack and oldguy.

Sock-puppets.

:roll:

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
8:11 pm

kam – actually living in Monterey is the place to be. But, you do remember the CT article on hiring folks for her house remodel, yes?

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
8:12 pm

kam – Jedi mind tricks don’t work on Siths, do they?

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
8:12 pm

No, We are both just “Aiming” for a solution!!
Ha HA

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
8:13 pm

if you make it uncomfortable for illegals, they will migrate elsewhere. But, how can farmers get adequate #ers of LEGAL workers? Why is that so hard, more Saxby shortcomings?

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 3rd, 2011
8:14 pm

Unemployment rate, May of each year:

2001 4.3%
2002 5.8%
2003 6.1%
2004 5.6%
2005 5.1%
2006 4.6%
2007 4.4%
2008 5.4%
2009 9.4%
2010 9.6%
2011 9.1%

Heckuva job, Idiot Messiah!

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
8:15 pm

this article is a good representation of bad leadership (I can’t deal with this problem, so we’ll just let it slide down the slippery slope). Another tenet of liberal leadership.

stepper

June 3rd, 2011
8:17 pm

Problem solved. Georgia currently has 132,003 welfare recipients and 209,801 on the unemployment rolls. If just half of them would leave their airconditioning and go to the fields for the $12.50 per hour in leiu of waiting for their checks the crops would be harvested with no need for illegals. I can’t believe you missed that one or did you. Too bad social justice instead of properity ranks so high on your value list scale.

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
8:17 pm

Wonder if CT has a czar job with the Obummer Administration? (public propoganda – would provide an excuse for her Obozo is the next coming routine).

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
8:18 pm

BTW cam,
25,000 dead in Mexico – Drug Cartels – If you Hippy libs would quit bying the “Harmless Weed” there would be no money for the Mexican drug Cartels. Tell the 25,000 dead it is “harmless!!”.

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
8:18 pm

I’d recommend the farmers offer $15 an hour to illegals, and most of their protests will vanish pretty quickly.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 3rd, 2011
8:27 pm

Offer $15 an hour and you might get a few parasites off of long-term unemployment.

Solution

June 3rd, 2011
8:27 pm

One vote for prisoners and the generational government dependent leeches — put them in the fields and orchards to contribute their “fair share” to society!!!!

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 3rd, 2011
8:37 pm

Excellent idea–require the parasites to bring in the crop as a condition of keeping their taxpayer-funded handouts!

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
8:48 pm

on drug use/war- we now, it took 30 years – have come close to the same situation we had during prohibition – people want to use drugs, but high & might Feds have to save us from ourselves. Can’t comment on meth or heroine, but marijuana use should be treated like speeding – if your dumb enough to get caught out with it on you or your car, you get a nice financial fine – no jail time. That way it remains a stigma, but not a financial drag on society. It would also preclude cops smashing in somebodies door just to bust ‘em for having some ganja in the kitchen (who is the victim there?). You could do the same for meth, cocain, heroine – just fine the crap out of ‘em and keep going. If they were involved in a traffic accident, with injuries, mortal or not, then the fines and punishment would be much, much steeper ($500 fine for just property damage accident, lose license,lose car, etc). We have to stop putting people in jail for relatively victimless crimes (selling to kids under 18 or 21 would have very heavy fines, possibly a month or so in jail).

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
8:49 pm

this article is a good representation of bad leadership (I can’t deal with this problem, so we’ll just let it slide down the slippery slope).

Wow.

Just, wow.

24 years after St. Ronnie-of-the-RayGun’s amnesty that you silly cons have ignored for nearly a quarter century, and it’s only the past year or so that you get all poutragey.

And now you express concern about letting it slide?

WTF!

Billybob, aka 'tucker translator'

June 3rd, 2011
8:50 pm

Tucker,
Nobody wants to see people suffer, but your focus on these people does not address and fix the fundamental problem. The gov’t, since 1990, has allowed 25-30 million people to sneak across the border. This causes chaos , fraud, crimes, hard work and heartbreak. That is the leak, plugging the hole is the first step to any successful plan. I think it’s amazing that you, on the one hand, support the policies of prosecuting our fellow citizens for employing illegal aliens. Then, on your other hand, you support what the gov’t is doing which is just releasing the illegals workers back in the streets. It’s like a comedy of errors.
This is simple tucker. If you want to focus on the illegals and stop them from coming, then the other problem goes away. BUT, if you focus on the employers, the illegals run around and grow in numbers and you will be ‘chasing your tail’ indefinitely. There are two distinct victims here in this equation folks, the illegals and our citizens and what I see is Eric Holder making a big push to prosecute our citizens and then opening the back door and letting the illegals go. Teachable moment people…..this is an example of the uber LIB 101 far left academia world of thought. Are you part of the 38% of people in DC that live off the ‘gov’t tia’t Cynthia?

Paddy O

June 3rd, 2011
8:55 pm

kammy, really need to loosen those panties, take em off your head, you are now losing valuable oxygen. BTW, great on point response! Also – would you prefer San Jose to Monterey?

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
9:09 pm

Also – would you prefer San Jose to Monterey?

Yep.

The MLS team Earthquakes play in San Jose.

Plus they have this neat little Jazz Fest every August that used to be free that features mostly locals plus one or two national acts, but it’s only been the past couple of years that they started charging a fee to attend. It’s a month or so before the Monterey Jazz Festival so I think it was a tune-up for the locals.

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
9:16 pm

Kammy, soooo we tried legalizing illegals……what did it fix???? Nothing!!!! So your answer is “Do the same again???”
That is the definition of stupidity….. “Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result!!”
Build a strong fence….build a moat and fill it with gaters if it will help (Obozo suggested it!). Just stop the invasion!!!
It, of course, will never happen. With each new illegal Democrats see a potential new voter!!!!

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
9:32 pm

So your answer is “Do the same again???”

No.

Geez, don’t you guys ever read?

I’ll post — yet again— a very poignant piece from 2007 from our hostess that sums up exactly my sentiments about this. (emphasis mine)

…here’s some counterintuitive advice for the Democratic ranks: Don’t hedge. Lead. Do the right thing. Come out clearly and forcefully for putting illegal immigrants already in the country on a path to citizenship. This is no time to trim or triangulate. Show some spine. America is ready for reasoned leadership on this issue.

…So let the GOP be the party of fear and division. Democrats ought to stand for something else. The modern Democratic Party also made its choice in the 1960s, choosing hope over fear, tolerance over division and the beloved community over bigotry.

…This is no time for Democrats to turn their backs on that heritage. America is too generous and compassionate to expel millions of productive and otherwise law-abiding people. The nation has taken advantage of their labor for decades, and it would be inhumane (and outrageously expensive) to round them up and send them back.

But Americans also want to be assured that this is the last time a broad legalization option is offered to illegal immigrants. Democrats ought to make it clear that they’ll enforce the borders and crack down on employers who hire illegally, a cheaper and more effective strategy for addressing the problem than building fences. After a few CEOs have done the perp walk for illegal hiring, they’ll stop offering jobs to those without proper documents. And when word gets across the border that U.S. companies have stopped hiring, those laborers will stop coming. They come for jobs, after all, not jihad.

This is a win-win platform. Not only is it wise and honorable, calling on the highest ideals of a nation of immigrants, it can also produce victories at the ballot box. Last week, Virginia Democrats made gains in state and local elections even though the state has been embroiled in fiery debate over illegal immigration. As an analysis by the Washington Post concluded, voting trends didn’t benefit “those who campaigned the loudest for tough sanctions against illegal immigrants.”

Let Republicans take the low road. It doesn’t end in a place the rest of the country wants to go.

Ms. Tucker — it would really help if you would repost this every time you do one of these IA threads.

Just suggestin’.

Lee

June 3rd, 2011
9:39 pm

Newsflash, if your business plan includes breaking the law, maybe you should rethink things….

If the farmers really need migrant labor, then go through the proper channels and get them work permits.

Nice segway though, tying illegal immigration with global warming. Hadn’t seen that one before….

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 3rd, 2011
9:40 pm

Kamchak: it’s only the past year or so that you get all poutragey
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Guess Kammy missed the opposition to W’s amnesty trial balloon.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 3rd, 2011
9:42 pm

Sorry to have deprived you of your opportunity to gratify yourself with the predictable “it’s only in the past year or so” race-card-playing.

Kamchak

June 3rd, 2011
9:44 pm

Guess Kammy missed the opposition to W’s amnesty trial balloon.

No, but the silence was deafening from 1986 until then, though.

Mary Elizabeth

June 3rd, 2011
10:30 pm

We are all one, spiritually, and we are all interconnected in need. When will we learn?

oldguy

June 3rd, 2011
11:35 pm

So cammie,
Different, only the same!!! Give me a break!! ITS ESSENTUALLY THE SAME!!! The only difference is the “WE PROMISE NOT TO DO IT AGAIN??”
Close the borders – according to Obozo they have done that, apparently all those bodies coming from south of the border are just figments!!
Crack down on employers??? Obozo’s justice department is working as hard as it can to block states from doing just that (Arizona and North Carolina for example).
Stop offering jobs to those without proper documentation?? Comrade Holder is blocking states from access to the EVerify system to prevent their checking compliance!!!
Yeah,
“The same, only different!!!”
Woy need to be writing responses for the Weiner Man!!!

Bob

June 4th, 2011
3:11 am

My first job was working in the fields in Toombs county(Vidalia). When I was 14 and 15 years old back in the late 1970’s, I worked in the onion and tobacco fields in the summer from sunup to almost sundown 6 days a week (Sunday off for church). The money I made from those 2 summers paid for my first car when I turned 16. There weren’t any illegal aliens so the kids from school did the work. I learned a work ethic cropping tobacco and picking up onions after they were harrowed up. I also picked and silked corn, dug up peanuts and potatoes in the neighbors gardens so my mother could can vegetables. I also remember going to the swimming hole after a long day in the fields and having the tar from the tobacco plants turning my fingernails black until the field was cleared. I would make $100 a week. We do not need a slave labor class to work in the fields.
The only reason CT Soros is stating this is for the benefit of the Dems.

Illegal is illegal.

Bud Wiser

June 4th, 2011
6:20 am

Quite simply, this is just another example of a poor media stooge using what they call for brains as a rationalization to keep their new potential party members here. With ACORN already no doubt hard at work, many have probably voted already.

Tucker, encouraging…..no, saying that people MUST break the law to satisfy your political agenda is sickening.

I am surprised that you haven’t tried to equate the illegals issue with the black civil rights issue, or have you?

I’m getting bored with Bookman and his weirdness. He doesn’t ever think plays an issue in Democrat politics, only Republicans are racist, but of course you think race plays a role in every aspect of life. Just thought I’d hold my nose over here a minute.

Hey, how’s that high profile Washington job thing you were supposed to take a couple years ago going, anyway?

David Granger

June 4th, 2011
7:48 am

We don’t need illegal workers at all, Cynthia. All we need to do is let the farmers go to the closest State Employment Office, tell the personnel there that they have jobs for the next two months, and then all the people collecting unemployment are either required to go pick peaches, watermelons, corn, soybeans, etc. or else their unemployment checks stop immediately.
And for the chicken processors up in Gainesville, they’ll eventually be forced to pay a high enough hourly rate that American citizens will take the jobs. The price of chicken will go up at the supermarket…but then the rest of us will not be stuck with the cost of paying for illegals to get medical care in emergency rooms (with all those “pseudo emergencies” that get treated there), our tax money won’t be spent to educate illegal aliens’ kids, they won’t be eligible for our social services net (food stamps, welfare, AFDC, etc.) and we won’t be paying to have to translate everything under the sun into several different languages. Not to mention the fact that we could then enforce our borders, and our laws would not be so flagrantly and openly violated.
It would all balance out in our favor.

j bone

June 4th, 2011
9:01 am

come on cynthia i would have thought you were going to spew about this is the modern day slave oh sorry thier not black

tscali

June 4th, 2011
9:20 am

“They dare not admit that they need the sweat and toil of migrant laborers so much that they are not always fastidious about searching for legal documents.”

idle hands are the devil’s workshop. we have plenty of those in georgia’s penal system. they live off the sweat and toil of american workers.

send them to pick the crops.

BBG

June 4th, 2011
9:56 am

Illegal immigrants are cool. They’re here. Shake some hands and get to know them. You will be delighted at their ethics and cultural mores.

Introduce yourself to an illegal immigrant: You’ll have a Baja Moment!!

Kamchak

June 4th, 2011
11:54 am

OH NOES! NOT THE SOROS CARD!

I’m melting…melting…melting….

quercus1

June 4th, 2011
12:32 pm

nasonlead, just think of the money you would be ahead on, had you paid a living wage to Americans. Rather then import foreign workers, you would have had no living, transportation or other H2a requirements. Plus the American workers would have spent or invested their entire income in your community. Insourcing is as bad as outsourcing. If you can’t get American workers, it is because your not paying enough. 9.50/hr based on production is unfair and you know it.