Bush, Clinton endorsed pre-1967 borders for Palestinian state

The new Republican doctrine demands erasing the old Republican doctrine, even if the old doctrine was acceptable a few years ago. GOP hacks are as busy as apparatchiks in the old Soviet Union who erased out-of-favor Communist VIPs from official photographs.
Anything that President Obama proposes is automatically subjected to bristling condemnation, even if the GOP supported it three years ago. Given that, it’s no great surprise that Mitt Romney is claiming Obama “threw Israel under the bus” in his Mid-East speech yesterday, in which the president called for a Palestinian state based on pre-1967 borders.
But just for the sake of adherence to facts, it’s worthwhile to check out recent history. As Atlantic Monthly’s Jeffrey Goldberg points out:

I’m amazed at the amount of insta-commentary out there suggesting that the President has proposed something radical and new by declaring that Israel’s 1967 borders should define — with land-swaps — the borders of a Palestinian state. I’m feeling a certain Groundhog Day effect here. This has been the basic idea for at least 12 years. This is what Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat were talking about at Camp David, and later, at Taba. This is what George W. Bush was talking about with Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert. (Emphasis added.) So what’s the huge deal here? Is there any non-delusional Israeli who doesn’t think that the 1967 border won’t serve as the rough outline of the new Palestinian state?

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May 20th, 2011
11:23 am

When will the libtards acknowledge the fact that there has never been, nor ever will be, such a state known as Palestine?

Billy Riggins

May 20th, 2011
11:24 am


I had a question related to your blog the other day. You said you don’t think it would be a good idea to have people pass a test to vote. What if it was an easy test? Example questions:

1) Who was the first president?
2) Who is the current president?
3) What’s the national anthem?
4) How many states are there in the U.S.?
5) What is the nation’s capitol?
6) What colors are on the U.S. flag?
7) Name one state capitol
8) On which continent is the U.S. located?
9) What is the name of the highest ranking court in the country?
10) Spell America.

You get 7 of those 10, you get to vote. I don’t see a problem with that. Do you?


May 20th, 2011
11:27 am

Any rational, non-pro-terrorist person realizes that the radical Muslim savages that strap bombs to their women and children will not stop until all Jews ans Israel are destroyed.


May 20th, 2011
11:33 am

Palestine is an open terrorist organization that only wants to kill Jews. So of course CT supports them.

Bryan G.

May 20th, 2011
11:40 am

resno2 – yeah, I recall the Dems being super rational about all of Bush’s ideas regardless of their merit…[sarcasm noted]


May 20th, 2011
11:40 am

“Anything that President Obama proposes is automatically subjected to bristling condemnation”

Kinda like what the dems had been doing to Bush every time he said anything?


May 20th, 2011
11:43 am

Billy – you need to add to your list of questions, who is the current vice president and who are the candidates both presidential and vice presidential.

I think that question would have excluded those that thought Palin was a perfect running mate for obama during the last election.


May 20th, 2011
11:43 am

This is what George W. Bush was talking about with Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert.

Translation — IOKIYAR.

A Lumpkin Resident

May 20th, 2011
11:44 am

This is what George W. Bush was talking about with Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert.

That was before the WB/Gaza split, and the Hamas takeover of the leadership of Gaza. As long as Hamas exists and is dedicated to the destruction of Israel, there will be no peace. When the so-called Palestinians are still strong considering the election of a terrorist organization to their leadership, how can they talk about peace?

As long as Israel settlements continue in the West Bank, there can be no peace. It really is as simple as that. As long as they are actively moving into territory that would part of another country if such an agreement were signed, how can there be peace?

It is clear that neither side is committed to this process. The 1967 border issue is just a smokescreen for other intractable issues. When the Palestinians get serious about disbanding Hamas in their territories, and when the Israelis permanently halt all construction in the West Bank, then we might some forward movement towards peace.


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May 20th, 2011
11:45 am

I question that but if they did …………. THEY WERE WRONG TOO !

0311/0317 -1811/1801

May 20th, 2011
11:46 am


When are we giving back the State of Hawaii that we took by force ???


May 20th, 2011
11:47 am

Kinda like what the dems had been doing to Bush every time he said anything?

Every time?

Are you talking about the same Bush that once had an over 90% approval rating?

0311/0317 -1811/1801

May 20th, 2011
11:48 am


A) George W. Bush speech after capture of Saddam:

The success of yesterday’s mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq .
The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the
dictator’s footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by
a brave fighting force. Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many
dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and
freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the
nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate ‘em.

B) Barack Obama speech after killing of bin Laden:

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the
killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued
our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on
a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread
to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information
about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of
Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and
I authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. Today, at my direction,
the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad , Pakistan.


May 20th, 2011
11:57 am


I see that someone has received their emailed newsletter with their weakly[sic] talking points.


May 20th, 2011
12:04 pm

CT’s next blog will be about why obama’s presidency being about him is a good thing for America.

Derrick's parole officer

May 20th, 2011
12:04 pm

“Anything that President Obama proposes is automatically subjected to bristling condemnation”

Just insert a Republican’s leader name instead of Obama, and the same is true for the left.
And there’s the formula for what passes as political commentary in this country, including CT Soros. It’s entertainment at this point, not really news anymore, it’s closer to pro wrestling.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 20th, 2011
12:06 pm

Weekly talking points aside, it is telling. Isnt it, sport?


May 20th, 2011
12:08 pm

“I see that someone has received their emailed newsletter with their weakly[sic] talking points.”

This post not intended to be relevant.


May 20th, 2011
12:09 pm

Weekly talking points aside, it is telling.

Telling what, Yummy-poo?

It tells me that someone has way too much time on their hands.


May 20th, 2011
12:10 pm

So, now we’re counseling other nations on how to establish their borders. As a show of good faith why don’t we volunteer to recognize pre-1836 border between the Republic of Texas and Mexico and return the land that’s in the former to the latter? Hmm?


May 20th, 2011
12:12 pm

First of all you posted a “shorted” version of both speeches…

Let’s analyze:

Bush’s speech:

497 words

Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 8.8

Number of times referencing “I” or “me”:

Percentage of total words: 0.8%

Uses of ” ‘em” instead of “them”: 1 (NICE!)

Obama’s speech:

1387 words

Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 9.3

Number of times referencing “I” or “me”:

Percentage of total words: 0.6%

Uses of ” ‘em” instead of “them”: 0 (BOOO!)

Lesson learned: Bush said “I or me” more times then Obama.


May 20th, 2011
12:18 pm

And there’s the formula for what passes as political commentary in this country, including CT Soros.

And I see that we have our first “Soros” posting of the day.

For those of you playing the blog BINGO and have received their new cards with the “Soros” squares, you can now mark only one square. You may have noticed there are multiple “Soros” squares on each card. This is a reflection on how often “Soros” is mentioned here.

For those that still haven’t requested your updated cards, you are at a serious disadvantage because “Soros” has become the #1 talking point here.


May 20th, 2011
12:23 pm

“Lesson learned: Bush said “I or me” more times then Obama.”

4 > 9

Class dismissed.


May 20th, 2011
12:34 pm

CYNTHIA!! You are wrong, wrong, wrong!! I didn’t even read your column; but if you’re for something then I am against it!!!

Whew! Thought I’d get that out of the way…………


May 20th, 2011
12:37 pm

Alamo: So, now we’re counseling other nations on how to establish their borders

We send Israel billions of dollars YEARLY, as well as weapons, food, and intelligence reports. So I guess we have a right to say what we want, don’t you.

No Peace. No funds.


May 20th, 2011
12:39 pm

Anything that President Bush proposed was automatically subjected to bristling condemnation, even if Ms Tucker and the Liberals supported it three years ago. Your assertions, generalizations, and eureka moments (LOL) are lame and predictable.

Palestine, like all muslim countries, is not interested in peace. Muslim nations are interested in violence, hatred, murder, throwing their weight around, and forcing the rest of the world to kowtow to them. Palestine is not our ally; Israel is. But did I EVER think Obama would choose a non-muslim nation, especially a – SHOCK – Jewish one, over a muslim one? Nope, never.

What a sad, sad, little man our president is. It’s scary that he has so much power. When he says “We believe,” he really means “I believe.” He does NOT speak for me and most people I know.


May 20th, 2011
12:43 pm

Count the number of “WTF!” moments:

“I’m telling you there’s an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That’s the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best.” –George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009

So I analyzed that and decided I didn’t want to be the president during a depression greater than the Great Depression, or the beginning of a depression greater than the Great Depression.” –George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Dec. 18, 2008

“I’ve abandoned free market principles to save the free market system.” –George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008

“You know, I’m the President during this period of time, but I think when the history of this period is written, people will realize a lot of the decisions that were made on Wall Street took place over a decade or so, before I arrived in President, during I arrived in President.” –George W. Bush, ABC News interview, Dec. 1, 2008

“And they have no disregard for human life.” –George W. Bush, on the brutality of Afghan fighters, Washington, D.C., July 15, 2008

That teleprompter is looking better and better……….


May 20th, 2011
12:49 pm

How about we count the number of campaign speeches…


May 20th, 2011
12:54 pm

How about we count the number of times that spokespersons from the previous administration said “smoking guns” and “mushroom clouds.”

Cynthia's Song

May 20th, 2011
12:54 pm

The GOP is erasing their own GOP thing. First they’re for the GOP policy, then they’re agin’ it.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 20th, 2011
1:04 pm

Okay. Let’s pull all economic and military support from Israel. Take a totally hands off approach to the Palestinian/Israeli situation.

I believe that at some point in the near future Israel’s Arab neighbors (Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iran) will attack Israel or Israel will launch preemptive strikes against it’s neighbors as they are preparing to attack Israel. It will happen. Guaranteed. Just look at the past Arab-Israeli conflicts: War of 1956, War of 1967 (Six Day War), War of 1967-1970, War of 1973 (Yom Kippur War) and the conflicts since.

Whatever the outcome, how will the United States benefit? How will the Palestinians benefit? How will the Israelis benefit? Will this bring stability to the Middle East? Will this bring an end to to the spread of radical Islam or terrorism?

I have no idea. I do believe that since the establishment of Israel, the only way the Israelis have enjoyed any modicum of security is when they had land to serve as a barrier between them and their Arab neighbors.

Would any of this have happened if the Arab’s had agreed to the 1947 UN Partition Plan proposed after the British withdrawal from Palestine?

The 1948 Arab-Israeli War began after the November 1947 UN Partition Plan, which proposed the establishment of Arab and Jewish states in Palestine. The Arabs had rejected the plan while the Jews had accepted it. By March 1948 however, the United States was actively seeking a temporary UN approved trusteeship rather than immediate partition. The Jewish leadership rejected this. By now, both Jewish and Arab militias had begun campaigns to control territory inside and outside the designated borders, and an open war between the two populations emerged.

Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iraqi and Saudi troops invaded Palestine subsequent to the British withdrawal and the declaration of the State of Israel on May 14, 1948. Israel, the US, the Soviet Union, and UN Secretary-General called this illegal aggression, while China broadly backed the Arab claims. The Arab states proclaimed their aim of a “United State of Palestine” in place of Israel. They considered the UN Plan to be invalid because it was opposed by Palestine’s Arab majority, and claimed that the British withdrawal led to an absence of legal authority, making it necessary for them to protect Arab lives and property. About two thirds of Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from the territories which came under Jewish control; the rest became Arab citizens of Israel. Practically all of the much smaller number of Jews in the territories captured by the Arabs, for example the Old City of Jerusalem, also fled or were expelled. The official United Nations estimate was that 711,000 Arabs became refugees during the fighting.

The fighting ended with signing of the several Armistice Agreements in 1949 between Israel and its warring neighbors (Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria), which formalized Israeli control of the area allotted to the Jewish state plus just over half of the area allotted to the Arab state.


May 20th, 2011
1:07 pm

CT,everyone doesn’t always agree with George W.,Slick Willie,and for sure your man obama.It’s none of our business about other country’s borders and if it bothers obama that much, cut the money off to the whole damn region.We need to worry about the morons who are on our borders and leave others to fend for themselves.NOW!!!!!

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 20th, 2011
1:12 pm

I know Kamchak. Too long.


May 20th, 2011
1:15 pm

Happy Friday everyone!! I’m out – have to buy a new outfit for the Rapture. Peace!


May 20th, 2011
1:16 pm

“I know Kamchak. Too long.”

Yep… ‘make no mistake’


May 20th, 2011
1:25 pm

CT; Would you tell us sometime what is the basis of your worldview. Obummer has said he is a Christian. Most Christians know that Jerusalem is not to be divided. There are strong admonitions from the Bible against this. Regardless of our past or current leaders in this direction; it still is not the thing to be doing.


May 20th, 2011
1:28 pm

Who can expalin what Obama is doing for the free world?
Obama is not demanding the Arab/Iran to outlaw parties with the agenda:
No-human rights-democracy-woman equality-all religious free practice-building non muslim praing houses
Yes-hate teaching,preaching worldwide–impose by sward Islamism worldwide-genoside agenda

Obama-repeates past mistakes.
The Nazi get to power in Germany by free elections.
Europe made concetions to the Nazi including Czechoslovakia stating:we bring peace for generations to come.

Obama pls reconsider your ME policy.
ME unrest is due:unemployment,poor life,counties ruled by minority tribes.Not the quest for western style democracy or Israeli conflict.However Obama misconceptions leads to wrong political actions

Pls lessen to leading political groups say in Arabic language-not in English to the west media
1:The powerfull worldwide Muslim brotherhood idiology.
A;”A Muslim can come closer to Allah by waging jihad against all non-Muslims,Christians,Jews, atheists,in every possible manner
B:Muslim brotherhood leader speech in Cairo before 1 million people:
“Hitler didn’t finish the job-The Muslims will finish the Job”
Obama said that Muslim brotherhood is a legitimate movement

2:Obama claimed that stopping Islamist Iran form getting NUK is related to the Arab–Israel conflict:
Wikileaks disclosed:Arab leaders requested USA to stop Islamist Iran,the regional historical Arabs geopolitical enemy- by any means

3:Obama policy result is a total stand still of direct negations between Palestine’s and Israel.
Obama is not respecting previous agreements between USA presidents and Israel


May 20th, 2011
1:29 pm

kammy — “It tells me that someone has way too much time on their hands.”

this from Kammy who spends all day—every day–on CT’s blog.

Ct posted 4 days in a row! Kammy got so excited, he had to smoke a cigarette when he finished!

0311/0317 -1811/1801

May 20th, 2011
1:30 pm


I can’t help it if the truth bothers you.

Sometimes it bothers me when conservatives go astray. At least I call ‘em like I see ‘em unlike some of you who are so biased you can never condemn “your own”.


May 20th, 2011
1:30 pm

Kamchak calls somebody “Sport”

there, I thought I would get that out of the way!

Derrick's parole officer

May 20th, 2011
1:42 pm

I guess Kam gets a little defensive when we bad mouth his Goddess CT Soros, so take it easy on him.
I think we needed new bingo cards anyway, tired of seeing sport, sock puppet, there’s your clue, smiley faced emodicons, oh so clever links, laboring under the impression…., CT Soros quotes from his personal catalog of her writings, and the rest of his lame one liners.

Logical Dude

May 20th, 2011
1:51 pm

Bush in the famous speech said: “You are either for us or you are against us!”

Today’s Republicans: “Please say something Obama, so we can be against it!”

. . . even if what Obama said is what the Republicans are calling for and supporting. It’s amazing to watch the Republicans behave like this. I want a Republican LEADER to come forward. All I see are a bunch of Republican reactionaries who can’t even think for themselves anymore.


May 20th, 2011
1:57 pm

The 1967 borders don’t matter. The real crux of this is the refusal of the Palestinians to recognize a state of Israel. There’s never been a Palestinian state, and still is not.

The sensible solution is to give the West Bank back to Jordan where it belongs, and make Gaza a UN protectorate. Then every time a Palestinian kills a Jew, we can blame the UN, since it seems no one is allowed to blame the Palestinians for their own actions, or hold them responsible for anything they do.

I disagreed with Bush he said mentioned 1967 borders, but he also did NOT make it a new precondition to negotiations. Only Obama made that foolish mistake and he will end up with egg on his face.

Also, for the uneducated like Cynthia, Israel was willing several times go back to like 99% of the 1967 borders, but Palestine still wouldn’t recognize Israel as a state. Palestinian intransigence is why this broke down, not Israeli.

Also, why is it that all other refugees in the history of the world had children, and the children weren’t considered refugees since they were living where they were born. Only in the case of Palestinians do grandchildren whose parents have never even been to “Palestine” are they still considered refugees. What’s the difference? These refugees are used as cynical political tools by Arab leaders, and the UN lets them, and the liberals embrace the lies because they are too stupid to see past the people putting one over on them.


May 20th, 2011
2:01 pm

Not that I would really read it, but just wanted to let you know how gratifying it was to see you branch out and write something other than villainizing the GOP. Oh…wait…my bad. That IS all you know how to do.

Thulsa Doom

May 20th, 2011
2:06 pm

I wonder if Barack Hussein will nominate Jew hater Louis Farrakhan as ambassador to Israel. Would not surprise me in the least.


May 20th, 2011
2:08 pm

Yawn..CT should stick to choosing between cornell west and Hussein-o..in the end there can be only 1 “black”..and cornell says hussein-o ain’t it.

0311/0317 -1811/1801

May 20th, 2011
2:10 pm


Nah …………… His former pastor would be better.


May 20th, 2011
2:13 pm

And on the POSITIVE side, nothing Hussein-O said yesterday matters..there will not be a palestinian state, other than some unilateral declaration by the Un that means exactly nothing, in any of your lifetimes. He just likes hearing himself talk and his speech was hurried to get out in front because the GOP has invited Netanyahu to address a joint session of congress next month.

Religion Hooray!

May 20th, 2011
2:22 pm

Catholics – molest children, don’t give equal rights to women, killed tons of people in their early days
Evangelicals – don’t want gays to have normal rights of others, think the world is ending any day know, known for getting busted with hookers, history of snake handling
Baptists – don’t want you to drink the devil’s juice on sundays, captialize words like Him, His to be sure to get a ticket to heavan.
Jews/Muslims – kill each other in the name of their God b/c they both claim to own the piece of land where Jesus once walked
Hindus/Budists – not sure what they’re up to but at least they have cool looking religious symbols (you ever seen that 6 armed elephant head thing, you gotta admit that’s pretty cool)
Eddie Longs types – scared to admit they’re gay for fear of back lash, lavish houses/cars paid for mindless suckers
Mormons – believe in multiple wives and hoards of kids (whatever floats your boat I guess)
Radical Muslims – kill/hate everyone
Jehovah Witness – won’t give their kids life saving medicine or blood or organs
Satinists – kill cats at Halloween and other creepy stuff
Cults – do most of the above AND known for believing in UFO’s
Rastafarians – smoke a lot of weed, have weird hair

Religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity ever. I know going to church is fun and it provides a support system for your family and community, but enough already with pushing your religious beliefs on everyone else, except maybe the Rastas.

Religion Hooray!

May 20th, 2011
2:31 pm

Oh and the world isn’t 6000 years old, closer to 6 billion, you morons