Osama’s jihadist dreams died before he did

WASHINGTON — Osama bin Laden lived long enough to see a widespread revolt among Arabs who want nothing to do with his murderous philosophy or his twisted, despotic version of Islam. He knew that his vision for a 7th century caliphate was already dead.

No one knows how the uprisings that started in Tunisia and set off pro-democracy protests across the Arab world will end. The oppressive Syrian government has cracked down brutally; Libya seems bogged down in stalemate, unable to rid itself of the tyrant Ghaddifi. There is more hope for democratic institutions to break through in a country such as Egypt, with a long tradition of a functioning civil society.

Whatever the eventual outcome, though, none of those home-grown uprisings owe allegiance to bin Laden or al-Qaida. There are certainly conservative Islamists among the protestors; it would be naïve to think they wouldn’t be represented.

But they have been just one faction among many. The so-called Arab spring has been fueled by women, many well-educated, some wearing the veil and many without it; by young Muslims who want the chance to vote in free and open elections; by an impoverished peddler who was sick of the tyranny of a corrupt state. Osama was not their inspiration.

Most Muslims were never enthralled by al-Qaida or the violence it represented. And Osama lost his opportunity to win more converts with his indiscriminate carnage, which killed Muslims, including women, children and the handicapped. Indeed, al-Qaida used children and the mentally handicapped to carry out its savage suicide bombings.

President Barack Obama noted al-Qaida’s wanton savagery in his speech to the nation Sunday night: “Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims. Indeed, al-Qaida has slaughtered scores of Muslims in many countries, including our own. So his demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity.”

In the days and weeks to come, Americans will be reminded many times by our elected and appointed leaders that the war against jihadists is not over. The president has already said so. There will be more terrorists to run to ground, more suicide bombers to disrupt, more intelligence to gather on training grounds and financial networks.

But Osama’s grand plans died before he did. And there’s a little bit of poetic justice in his lingering long enough to see his worldview clearly rejected by so much of the Arab world.

135 comments Add your comment

TnGelding

May 2nd, 2011
3:44 pm

Yes, it seems his vision has been rejected by the vast majority. But we need to take this opportuinty to allow those weary of the fight to lay down their arms and return to their homes. The handwritng is on the wall.

And what is our role in further helping to achieve a stable ME? We’ve got to put more pressure on the despots to get out and let the people reclaim their lives and their governments.

And we need to do whatever possible to denuclearize the region. The potential for mischief is scary.

Wondering

May 2nd, 2011
3:47 pm

When I think of the middle east dictators, I keep asking, when are these people going to demand their god given rights. The Iraqis never did. The Iranians did and ceded them to a worst tyrant. I kept asking why they expect American blood to be shed when they aren’t willing to fight for themselves.

This spring I have witnessed such uprisings, and the western world has stepped up to protect and help. Libyia, Syria, Yemen and others will liberate themselves from dictators or at least loosen their binds. And it will be done with minimal loss of life, especially Americans. I applaud their backbones for standing up. I also watch to see if they replace one tyrant with another (Iran) or move to a democratic form of government with individual rights protection (Egypt).

JohnnyReb

May 2nd, 2011
3:58 pm

And I suppose none on the Left think that Bush’s vision for a Democratic Iraq had anything to do with the outcome?

Mary Elizabeth

May 2nd, 2011
4:07 pm

“But Osama’s grand plans died before he did. And there’s a little bit of poetic justice in his lingering long enough to see his worldview clearly rejected by so much of the Arab world.”
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Well said. Worldview is rapidly changing throughout the world – as well in this country – toward one that is more egalitarian, not only in governance but in all human interaction.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
4:07 pm

Bush’s vision thingie for Iraq only involved smoking guns and mushroom clouds.

Just sayin’.

Not at the Trough

May 2nd, 2011
4:08 pm

I am not sure where you get your information, but I gather members of the Muslim brotherhood are seeking to upset 50% of the seats in the Egyptian Parliament. After that, it is all over for visiting the pyramids kids. And about democracies in these hell holes, I can’t get over how all you liberals live in hope that if you just play nice these crazy jihadists will “see the light”. Get over it. They are after your blood.

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
4:09 pm

You can’t trust the information you get from enhanced interrogation! They will say anything to get you to stop!

Gitmo should be closed and these criminals tried in civilian court in Peoria.

Welcome back to reality, Libs!

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
4:14 pm

BTW, Congratulations to President Barry. He was finally successful at something good.

Lawrence of Bogart

May 2nd, 2011
4:25 pm

conservative christians and fundamentalist muslims are two peas in the same pod. hence the importance of separation of church and state. don’t let the crazed christians force their ideology on the govt.. the union is at stake.

hobby

May 2nd, 2011
4:26 pm

“But Osama’s(OBAMA’S) grand plans died before he did. And there’s a little bit of poetic justice in his lingering long enough to see his worldview clearly rejected by so much of the Arab(FREE) world.”

Not much difference——just say’in

Peter

May 2nd, 2011
4:26 pm

Bush wanted to get at the oil Saddam wouldn’t allow to be sold through the major oil players of the world…….so he took out Saddam.

Freedom for Iraq was a by product of war for oil.

Johnnyreb…..do you beleive Saddam and Bin Laden worked together on 9/11 ?

Lil' Barry Bailout

May 2nd, 2011
4:28 pm

The Idiot Messiah is successful at everything he does that involves going along with each and every GWOT policy put in place by our President Bush. Everything else he touches pretty much turns to dogsqeeze.

Harold J. Boxwood

May 2nd, 2011
4:28 pm

Picture this folks: Living in a house couped up with six wives and a passle of screaming kids and you have to stay close in and you can’t get out much. That feller needed some relief and would have likely commited sideways if the Seals hadn’t uh got him and took him out to sea.

PearlJam

May 2nd, 2011
4:30 pm

Don’t forget the Freedom loving Iraq’s that hung Saddam.

JohnnyReb

May 2nd, 2011
4:37 pm

Kamchak, I’ve watched others hi-jack your name over time. I have not been on in a while, so that may have subsided. However, the Kamchak I use to read with his short wit knows Bush had more in mind for Iraq than oil. Plus, if your post was correct, why didn’t it show in the world markets?

Lawerence of Bogart – which alternative universe do you reside? Conservative Christian ideology is well rooted in our government and laws.

Peter – I have no idea if Saddam conspired with OBL. I don’t think anyone does. Just rumors.

Scooter (The Original)

May 2nd, 2011
4:40 pm

“uprisings that started in Tunisia and set off pro-democracy protests across the Arab world will end.”

While Bush 43 didn’t say it would start in Tunisia, he did predict Operation Iraqi Freedom would set off revolts against despotic rulers throughout the region.

granny godzilla

May 2nd, 2011
4:42 pm

I hope and pray your premise is right.

I would like to think our days of fighting wars in the Middle East
are fast coming to an end.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
4:43 pm

Kamchak, I’ve watched others hi-jack your name over time. I have not been on in a while, so that may have subsided.

Still happens.

However, the Kamchak I use to read with his short wit knows Bush had more in mind for Iraq than oil.

I posted nothing about oil, sport.

Lawrence of Bogart

May 2nd, 2011
4:44 pm

Osama was a wanna-be fascist dictator under a veneer of religion, using it as a tool. Kinda like GW and his born-again minions. Religion is the problem here, there, and everywhere.

David S

May 2nd, 2011
4:52 pm

He said he would drag us into a series of small expensive wars in the middle east that would bankrupt us. That was his dream. Sounds like his dream WAS realized. And along with the announcement was the proclamation that the war on terror continues.

Cynthia, you have this wrong. Osama’s dream has come true, and thanks to our federal government (both Rep. and Dem. both Bush and Obama), the nightmare of the american people continues.

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
4:55 pm

Lawrence
Lay off the weed! War for oil; haven’t heard that in awhile. I guess W is storing all that oil in Crawford, huh? What is Barry doing with the oil now that he is in charge?

Free Roger McDowell!

JohnnyReb

May 2nd, 2011
4:56 pm

Kamchak, my apology. But, no mushroom cloud either.

Lawrence of Bogart

May 2nd, 2011
4:57 pm

rafe,

religion is the problem, ignore it at your own peril.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
5:05 pm

But, no mushroom cloud either.

Are you denying that Bush administration officials didn’t put forth that notion?

Really?

The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly Saddam can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
Condoleezza Rice

Lawrence of Bogart

May 2nd, 2011
5:09 pm

“There is nothing we can’t do.” Obama

Except tax the rich.

AmVet

May 2nd, 2011
5:12 pm

What a horrific day for poor Lil’ Barry.

The man he hates worse than OBL, had some big time success.

You just know that chaps Barry’s azz…

Nancy Reagan

May 2nd, 2011
5:18 pm

The image of Barack Obama as a weak inexperienced leader in the War on Terror, an image relentlessly fostered by Dick Cheney, has suffered a fatal blow.

I don’t see how the GOP nominee in 2012 can stand up there and say with a straight face, “I, Mitt Romney (or Tim Pawlenty or Mike Huckabee), bring greater experience in this conflict.”

Not after this spectacular coup, the killing of bin Laden, which ranks with the raising of the flag on Iwo Jima, in terms of symbolic power.

Raul Rodon

May 2nd, 2011
5:21 pm

Maybe if W would’ve gotten the job done like this, instead of invading a country that had no involvement, HE’D be the one at home right now shining his Nobel Peace Prize.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
5:24 pm

Once again we see the Lil bar for the low bar he sets for his credibility….if Obama does something he can’t find fault with, it was because Bush established a good policy. So its “Credit Bush never Blame Bush”. Buffoonery from the #1 leader of the parade of buffoonery.

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Raul Rodon

May 2nd, 2011
5:29 pm

Baggers/GOP talk the talk…Obama walks the walk. So much sorrow from the bush wars-Obama commands a surgical strike problem solved.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
5:32 pm

Rafe, you have a reliable link to something that proves that the information from Gitmo detainees used to find the courier was actually obtained from waterboarding or similar action and not from normal interrogation? or just making up claims?

Raul Rodon

May 2nd, 2011
5:37 pm

I hear Glenn Becky led the raid and drowned OBL in tears.

Ricardo Montalbon

May 2nd, 2011
5:47 pm

More and more, the stain, the terrible legacy of George ‘Dubya’ Bush and his incompetent and disastrous regime of Republican Neo-Cons is being corrected and erased…. .. and our stature as a nation of accomplishment and achievement is being elevated by this administration.

YES WE CAN! Thank you Mr. President.

clay fountaine

May 2nd, 2011
5:52 pm

Dubya couldn’t find Waldo, let alone Osama Bin Laden.You Klan types will never be satisfied with our President….%$#& you all! Obama is a shoo-in fo’ 4 mo’

nutcracker

May 2nd, 2011
5:54 pm

DNA testing seems to always takes days(or weeks) to get results. These results were confirmed in hours? Now the body is gone? can’t re-test? no pictures?

just sayin’

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:00 pm

Nut…no just what are you saying. Do you know alything about DNA testing other than what you assume is science from 24 or some other silly crime show.

JohnnyReb

May 2nd, 2011
6:04 pm

Kamchak – no denial, the Bush administration was concerned of WMD. However, regardless of why and how we got there, my point is, the objectives achieved in Iraq has no doubt contributed to the instability in the ME with people there demanding democracy, even if their form of democracy does not mirror ours. You don’t read that in Ms Tucker’s piece even though it is very obvious. Bush deserves credit for that; it was/is policy. On the otherhand, the objective to caputure/kill OBL was in place before Obama took office. He/Obama deserves credit for keeping it and acting on it when the time was right, however, doing so does not elevate him to the level the Left will promote. We might, however, actually see Matthews pi$$ his pants on natioanl TV.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
6:05 pm

These results were confirmed in hours?

Who said that the tests were confirmed within hours?

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
6:07 pm

We might, however, actually see Matthews pi$$ his pants on natioanl[sic] TV.

You might, but I can’t stand him.

nutcracker

May 2nd, 2011
6:07 pm

keep
I know very little about it……..but probably more than you

nutcracker

May 2nd, 2011
6:10 pm

Kamchak
within hours? I’ts only been 24 hours since the deed was done! we have heard about the positive DNA tests all day!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:15 pm

Nut…sure whatever you say…… I’m sure you’re the top of the conspiracy brain trust. but thanks for the generous offer to share what little you know…

deathers — the new birthers.

Atlanta 1

May 2nd, 2011
6:16 pm

Wow…

Seriously. Many of you need to get help. You see the world either in a complete view from the ‘left or the right’.

All should praise this President on how he has handled this entire affair. While there is much I have issue with – when it comes to President Obama; his strategy for the Middle East has been just about ’spot on’.

For those of you who think we should just take our toys and come home; you cannot do that until we fix our own energy dependancy. We spent over a Trillion Dollars on this war – what if we had taken that same money and restructured our cars to run off of Natual Gas and established Natural Gas stations around the country? That dependancy would be very different. That way if we chose to be in ‘internal affairs’ of those countries it would be a ‘right vrs wrong’ decision, verses our own ‘national defense’ meaning the need for the oil to help drive our economy.

You just cannot up and leave. You have to make sure that the oil pipeline is secure. It doesn’t mean you install a dictatorship that is friendly to you. But it does mean that you help protect a ‘freely elected’ government, where millions stood in line to vote, despite the risk of death from terrorist. And in return the oil flows free.

We fix our energy dependancy (our top priority for National Defense) and we rethink our ‘policeman of the world’ strategy – if for no other reason than the ‘cost’. This country can no longer afford to establish and hold bases in every region of the world.

We need a dual strategy – one that removes our oil dependancy and one that eventually exits our troops completely out of the region.

Mama Says

May 2nd, 2011
6:17 pm

All any republican has to do is argue that he would do it the right way and he will have a chance in 2012, an Obama supporter should know that election tactic, isn’t that what he/libs did to Bush.All republicans have to do is show tapes of Obama’s problems with Bush during the campaign and then say the same thing since Obama adopted Bush doctrine.
I don’t think you libs want to start the experiance argument do you ? I mean all told your guy has 4 years in the senate (with no terror knowledge) and two years as president with Gates (conservative) and Petraus (conservative war commander) advising him, both Bush appointees.

Obama = Bush in so many ways,

Gitmo

wire taps

military command staff

involuntary rendition

Military action in soveriegn countries

tax cuts for the “rich” (this one is funny–anyone who knows math knows that even 10% of 1 million is more than 10 % of 75,000 and the “rich are taxed at 35 %, how are they getting a break ?)

reading e-mails

Bush =military tribunals, Obama =…wait ! civilian courts ? no military tribunal ?–yeah tribunals !

Obama – Bush difference ;

Bush sought UN approval for Iraq, Obama sought none for Pakistan (which I support)

Bush 2 Wars—Obama continued Bush’s + attacked Pakistan (see soveriegn nation complaint libs had against Bush) & currently bombing Lybia

Bush supported harsh interrogation (which led to this operation–see front page of this paper)—Obama sign order eliminating it.

I congradulate Obama striking like he should have, I deplore liberal hypocrites who lack the moral outrage at Obama over the same issues they had wish Bush.

and unlike you libs I support ALL of Obama’s foriegn policy issues—-did yo guys support anything Bush did ?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:22 pm

Nut — and you explain this how?

NBC News has been told that the CIA’S facial recognition technology has identified Bin Laden’s face with 95% certainty — after comparing it to known pictures of Bin him. That is considered very high accuracy

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
6:26 pm

Keep, re the enhanced interrogation techniques revealing the link to the courier, I have read that in three different locations today. One I believe was MSNBC, however, I am not going back and rereading all those articles to find you a link. I read where other critical details were obtained by the CIA at prisons they maintain in Poland and one other country. Rendition, I think they call it, supported by Barry and W. I am sure the CIA uses cookies and milk to get vital information. I know if I was in one of those dreadful prisons I would sell my soul for a hot cookie and a cold glass of milk.

KSM also provided the street name of the courier during his “interview” at GITMO. I believe I saw the answer to your question in the AJC and in a story by AP. Read Drudge and get some info, it is free you know.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:36 pm

Rafe. nonsense. As stated by Bush Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who presumably has some knowledge about what went on at Gitmo, today threw some cold water on this theory:

“The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

They always were dead

May 2nd, 2011
6:40 pm

Bin Laden’s ‘dreams’ were dead after he killed anyone other than a Soviet soldier in the Aghanistan war in the 80s. Then he was a hero, once he targeted civilians (throughout the 90s and the 2000s) he lost any chance of gaining any type of acceptance from any civilized person (he’ll always have his followers, just like Hitler does, etc.).

kayaker 71

May 2nd, 2011
6:41 pm

Just wish that Stanley McCrystal could have stayed the commander of Joint Special Forces while this was going on. He was a good soldier and a patriot. Just didn’t care much for his boss….. a rather common feeling among Special Ops people. The shadow operations of the JCOS is a tribute to Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, two of the real patriots in the war on terror. Bozo doesn’t have a clue and remains the paper tiger that he is. Thank God for our military and their persistence in finally bringing this despot to his his just reward.

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
6:44 pm

Keep, my link is waiting moderation. Try going to ABCNews website and read about the CIA interrogation and their European prisons. Cheney said KSM was waterboarded mulitiple times. Rummy qualified his statement by insisting that the DOD did not waterboard.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:58 pm

Rafe, sorry I have not seen one credible source that has stated the simple fact that torture provided the evidence that led to OBL.

In fact, from ABC news: It began with a tip to the CIA eight months ago about a possible Osama bin Laden hiding place, and led Sunday to the bold military operation that will go down in U.S. history, as Navy SEALs killed the Al Qaeda leader in a mansion in Abbottabad, Pakistan while he reportedly used women as human shields.

As to the courier info: In 2007, U.S. officials who were interrogating Guantanamo detainees finally learned the real name of a former Khalid Sheikh Muhammad protégé who had become an important confidante of Abu Faraj al Libi. Al Libi was captured in 2005 and also taken to Guantanamo.

Nothing about how the info was obtained by torture.

TruthBe

May 2nd, 2011
7:16 pm

Thank you to ALL of the Brave People in our Military, Special Forces, CIA, and Leaders for a job well done. And yes thank you to President Obama for giving the final OK to go and get Osama. Now lets see if the muslims want peace or theiy just a bunch of haters and killers.

jconservative

May 2nd, 2011
7:32 pm

“…Bush’s vision for a Democratic Iraq had anything to do with the outcome?”

While not a great supporter of Bush, I will give him credit for the vision of a Democratic Islamic world.
And I pray his vision of that peaceful, democratic Islamic world will be realized.

But I wonder what drives his supporters?

Bush said many times that the US was not at war with Islam. Just by reading this blog I can tell most Bush supporters believe we are at war with Islam.

Most Bush supporters were, and are, opposed to Muslims building a Mosque near ground zero. Yet those same folks supported spending over 5000 American lives and $1.5 trillion taxpayer dollars to build new nations for Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Can someone please explain this apparent contradiction to this simple old country boy?

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 2nd, 2011
7:36 pm

Kudos to our intelligence services and military. Kudos to Obama for having the stones to give the go ahead (as opposed to a previous administration). But folks, you’re missing something.

None of this would have happened if we hadn’t put pressure on Osama Bin Laden, his organization and other militant Muslim groups in the Middle East by having troops on the ground. Constant, sustained pressure that compelled OBL and his organization to allocate assets, manpower and intelligence against our military forces in his backyard as opposed to our backyard.

None of this would have happened without interrogation of detainees. Detainees that were caught or captured during military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The interrogations took place as a result of extraordinary rendition and at Gitmo.

Again, kudos to our intelligence services, military and the president. But, if you fail to acknowledge that the events of Sunday would not have occurred without the policies and decisions of our previous administration, you’re not playing with a full deck.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2011
8:04 pm

CT- Osama bin Laden lived long enough to see a widespread revolt among Arabs who want nothing to do with his murderous philosophy or his twisted, despotic version of Islam.

Iran says “What?” I’m guessing all the Israeli’s are now breathing a sigh of relief….

Jonas

May 2nd, 2011
8:08 pm

To my esteemed Pulitzer prize winner blogger. Your challenge will be to forget your admiration and daily adjulation of the sitting Pres and meditate on the picture of the inside group viewing the killing. Write from your inner being and not what Chris Matthews has to say and judge. What do you see and what is your interpretation. Bin Laden was not a pit bull allowed to be mauled by Michael Vick. Was he a cold blooded killer? Was he a hero and a villain to some? In the grand scheme of this thing called life what roll, if any, did W and Obama play? Are politics a zero sum game or an instrumental key to the puzzle.

In shallah

Tech Man

May 2nd, 2011
8:12 pm

Peter
May 2nd, 2011
4:26 pm

And what about Libya’s oil?

Chris Matthews

May 2nd, 2011
8:25 pm

Obama should be impeached!

clay fountaine

May 2nd, 2011
8:26 pm

Obama is a champ/Bush is a chump

dreama

May 2nd, 2011
8:45 pm

Now I know why Bush could not find Bin Ladan – he was looking at the wrong place. Iraq is just 1530 miles away from Pakistan :-)

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
8:57 pm

Keep, this one is for you. From ABC News. I know you need a video of the interrogation, but for most folks this says what you are looking for.

“The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA’s so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

“We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day,” said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.”

slim

May 2nd, 2011
9:11 pm

“10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths, and $1,188,263,000,000 later, we managed to kill one person. (Next time START w/ the Seals 1st)”

Chuck Allison

May 2nd, 2011
9:42 pm

Many say that the Arabs are revolting because they support radical Islam over their present governments. If so, that would be pleasing to al Queda. I sure don’t agree with your theory that they are moving away from radicalism. No, you are definitely wrong.

Gator

May 2nd, 2011
9:52 pm

Lawrence of Bogart—- how much do you pay in taxes? I’m sure every April 15 you probably get a check from “Obama’s stash”. Do you even have a job?

PecanDawg

May 2nd, 2011
10:03 pm

I know some of you on the Right do not want to give Obama props on this but this was once of the gutsiest decisions ever made by a President. Considering the way this was done. Not by a drone attack but by a special ops strike team with potential to go wrong like the ‘79 Iran hostage rescue disaster.

casual observer

May 2nd, 2011
10:30 pm

Not one Muslim leader publicly stood up against OBL after 9/11. Not one. Saudi’s? nope, Kuwati’s? nope, Egyptians? nope, Iraqi’s? nope, Syrians? nope, Jordanians? nope, Yemenis? nope, Bahrainis’? nope. UAE? nope

None of the Arab world stood up against the murder of over 3,000 Americans. As a matter of fact it was celebrated in the streets of some cities. So to say Muslim countries took a stand against the teachings of OBL may be true however; none had the guts to publicly admit it. All cowards who just want American tax payer hand-outs too.

The Warden

May 2nd, 2011
10:30 pm

Curious question for the libs on board….How can you be anti capital punishment, yet the killing of OBL is great? Is it partisan politics?

ATL Girl

May 2nd, 2011
10:36 pm

I give Obama credit and praise for coordinating with the special ops to do this in the best way and having a successful outcome. I believe it will come out that waterboarding is the way the intel was gathered to lead years later to this outcome. I hope if that’s the case that you skeptics of that method (which our soldiers are trained to withstand as well) will admit Bush was right about that interrogation technique. I don’t think I’ll hold my breath though. I read these posts where so many of your capitalize The President (which isn’t supposed to be capped, by the way) when referring to Obama and can’t help but wonder if you did that when Bush was president. I seriously doubt that you did. I personally always referred to Bush as “Bush,” even though I’m a Republican.

ck hall

May 2nd, 2011
10:48 pm

I will believe your treatise when Arab countries congratulate our President for his actions. Most have not–Only a handful have said thank you,i.e Saudi Arabia.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
11:09 pm

Curious question for the libs on board….How can you be anti capital punishment…

Where exactly, did I say that I was anti capital punishment, sport?

Atlanta 1

May 2nd, 2011
11:28 pm

Jconservative – I can explain why I am against a Mosque being built near Ground ‘0′. For centuries Muslims have built Mosque on the very ground or very close to the ground of anywhere they have what they considered a ‘great victory’.

People like myself wanted proof that this was all in good faith, meaning that this church/community center was being built for the right reasons. So, all we wanted to see was the ‘money trail’. Something that was never supplied.

The truth to just about anything that goes on in this world can be found simply by following the money. If you refuse to show me the money trail – you have told me all I need to know.

ken

May 3rd, 2011
12:29 am

Good job to the best military in the world. Thank You !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TnGelding

May 3rd, 2011
12:35 am

Lil’ Barry Bailout

May 2nd, 2011
4:28 pm

You’ve resorter to embarrassing yourself again. Get real!

TnGelding

May 3rd, 2011
12:36 am

TnGelding

May 3rd, 2011
12:41 am

This lib doesn’t think the killing was great. But it was probably the most practical thing to do under the circumstances. Why don’t conservatives have confidence in our court system and why have they abandoned the rule of law?

Judge, jury, executioner. Quick and easy. And fraught with peril.

TnGelding

May 3rd, 2011
12:43 am

slim

May 2nd, 2011
9:11 pm

You got that right. I’ve said that all along. There was a covert role for the military. By doing it overtly it just raised the stakes and incensed the enemy.

ODDOWL

May 3rd, 2011
2:29 am

President Barack (The Hawk) Obama, master of the drone wars. Those predator drones are silent and deadly. Death from the sky !!!

granny godzilla

May 3rd, 2011
5:48 am

please disregard anything i post as i am a complete moron

joe suggs

May 3rd, 2011
6:29 am

Do not thank Obama for striking. He wasn’t leading the assault ! He was at home dip dapping around with his homies .

Rascal

May 3rd, 2011
7:09 am

President Obama deserves a lot of credit for hard decisons he made in the months leading up to the assault that killed bin Laden. Bush deserves credit for the hard decisons he made to get the intel that enabled Obama’s choices. Young men risked thier lives in a daring and professional assault to finally get bin Laden
Is it so hard to say both?
Is hatred so extreme that curses must accompany blessings.
Tucker’s first column on this day was more of the same partisan drivel. She is so stuck on hate that it makes it hard for her to function rationally.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 3rd, 2011
7:25 am

CT – 81 comments
JB – 379 comments

CT, soon to be relegated to the dustbin of history…

gator24

May 3rd, 2011
8:08 am

These Conservatives are trying to take credit for the killing of Bin Laden because it was a successful mission. When the attempted bombing of the Airliner over Chicago failed, Cheney along with many others called the President incompetent. The Bush administration had seven years to get the job done in the killing of Bin Laden, they failed and now there out in the media trying to take credit for the intelligent which led to a successful operation this past Sunday.
They all want to take credit for it because it was successful, who are these people , Cheney, Rice and all others should be blame for 9/11. Oh, no they all run like hell from the truth when its failure.

Marie

May 3rd, 2011
8:14 am

And what should we make of Hamas decrying the assassination of “this holy warrior”. We cannot forget that still many Muslims desire the annihilation of the Jewish state and thus they are still united in Osama’s real dream; failing to acknowledge this leaves our only “real” middle east ally in peril.

Corey

May 3rd, 2011
8:15 am

“I don’t know where Osama is, and I don’t think about him,” said Mr. Bush. Less than ninety days into his presidency Mr. Obama sent a memo to CIA director Panetta instructing him to focus on capturing Osama. Some of Mr. Obama’s advisors wanted to bomb the compound. Others wanted a drone attack. Others wanted a clandestine operation, but Mr. Obama rejected those and suggested the Navy Seals operation. What’s this I hear? The rabid, right, daily trolls on hear just exploded. I know. Some facts cut like a knife. That’s life.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 3rd, 2011
8:25 am

Don’t forget to thank Bush for making bin laden irrelevent. Which, actually he wasn’t. As the gathered intel will prove, he has stuff in the pipeline.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 3rd, 2011
8:27 am

AND why did we bomb the crap out of lybia, but not sending a fire cracker over to syria who is doing the same things to their people?

buck@gon

May 3rd, 2011
8:29 am

For anyone also blogging on Bookman, don’t bother here. This is the same article; clearly, one or the other was looking over a shoulder. Bookman’s version is a little more audacious (and thus it begets in the reader a greater element of incredulity).

Still, the theme is the same. Ignore the aggressive efforts of the US. It was Obama and his wonderful countenance, “measured approach” and peace-making for which is so pre-deserved the Nobel prize that ignited the “Arab Spring”.

I doubt that any of this is true in the way that they say so, actually. During Bush, Ghadafi was heeling before the world. Only in the age of the great apologizer Adolesident Obama does he dare rise up and threaten again. As for Egypt, who knows how that will turn out. As for uprisings, seen through my lens of the media, I can only hazard a guess that if the President were Bush, that these “bloodbaths” as they would have been called, would have been blamed on him and his policies.

It’s an interesting point that CT brings up, that al-qada used women and children as cannon fodder, it’s true. Even so, the liberal view does not condone attacking aggressively such vile enemies. As we are led to believe here, our aggression wasn’t the cause of Osama’s downfall; it was just public opinion–the battle that Cynthia probably believes herself brave, intelligent and courageous enough to fight.

Needles

May 3rd, 2011
8:42 am

According to the Drudge Report, the bullet that killed Bin Laden blew his skull apart.

That

is

A W E S O M E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shawny

May 3rd, 2011
8:45 am

So search the following ajc.com article, “Phone call by Kuwaiti courier led to bin Laden”.

It says that the mission began 4 years ago with a tapped phone call. Go Patriot Act!!!!
Thank you, GWB. You can tap my phone all you want.

What

May 3rd, 2011
8:49 am

Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, two of the real patriots in the war on terror. — You have to be kidding!

What

May 3rd, 2011
8:53 am

To the Warden: Curious question for the right-wingers on board, how can you be pro-life and support wars and killing?

Wiie

May 3rd, 2011
8:56 am

What would Tucker have said if Bush were president instead of Obama? Would we hear rants about Pakistan’s territorial integrity, rendition, death penalties without trial, lies about the process?

Maybe hints about the hidden truth of 911?

Tucker has long since gone blind

Good Grief

May 3rd, 2011
9:01 am

Slim @ 9:11 -
You’re right, in 10 years we’ve only managed to take out 1 enemy combatant. Admittedly, it was a high profile combatant, but only 1 nonetheless.

TBone

May 3rd, 2011
9:06 am

conservative christians and fundamentalist muslims are two peas in the same pod. hence the importance of separation of church and state. don’t let the crazed christians force their ideology on the govt.. the union is at stake.

Are you kidding me? I suggest that you know absolutely nothing about Christianity. Whereas Islam is a religion that avoids the whole salvation question altogether; Christianity is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and redemption. When’s the last time you heard of a Christain running into a public place strapped with C4 and a detonator scream Jesus Christ and blowing the whole place up?
If you think for one minute that jiahdists are going to go running with their proverbial tails tucked between the legs, you really don’t have a clue what this is all about. They are moving toward a Caliphate and nothing will impede that not the death of bin Laden or any other.

Cynthia Who?

May 3rd, 2011
9:20 am

I’m impressed. I believe this is the first time I’ve read a post by you that didn’t take a jab at the right.

Oprah

May 3rd, 2011
9:26 am

As usual CT, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The vast majority of the people rioting are revolting against their governments that refuse to let them govern themseleves under Sharia Law

buck@gon

May 3rd, 2011
9:29 am

Needles @ 8:42,

High velocity rounds do that.

buck@gon

May 3rd, 2011
9:32 am

I had to comment on a tagline for the web ajc.com. It said, “Obama’s poker face.”

Oooh, HIS FACE is I’m guessing how Tucker and most people who get their ajc paychecks think of it. We can’t study Obama as a whole because HE is just too complex, too broad minded, too capable, smart and effective really to fully function with mere normal human beings scratching out our pathetic lives in our limited world.

All this hero worship is nauseating, especially given Tucker’s article yesterday.

Barack Hussein Obama, may Peace be upon him.

buck@gon

May 3rd, 2011
9:35 am

Cynthia who @ 9:20,

That may be, but what I find incredible is that Mr. T has a perfect record for neglecting to see, report and analyze the truth.

I would consider the truth a greater and more important casualty than “the right.”

Eli Jones

May 3rd, 2011
9:36 am

Obama the glory hound was sure quick to claim credit for killing Bin Laden. That said, let me point something out. It was Bush’s policy of Water Boarding that made Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sing like a parakeet and name Bin Laden’s personal courier. That courier’s name led us straight to Bin Laden’s residence. Yep, it’s Bush’s Fault that Osama was killed.

TommyJack

May 3rd, 2011
9:36 am

Who are you and what have you done with Cynthia?

JB

May 3rd, 2011
10:19 am

OK, it’ll snow in July. I can find no fault with this article. Go read.

JB

May 3rd, 2011
10:19 am

s/b good read

Tech Man

May 3rd, 2011
10:59 am

Charlie Sheen tours Alabama tornado damage and offers help before FEMA gets to Spalding county!?

Tech Man

May 3rd, 2011
11:00 am

Where is the outrage?

Thulsa Doom

May 3rd, 2011
12:08 pm

I wonder how long and how much mileage Jay and Cynthia will try to get out of the UBL killing. It should last a little while until Americans have to fill up at the pump again. Then when they go to the grocery store and see how much inflation is biting them in the butt the UBL killing won’t mean quite as much to them. UBL being dead is a great thing but it sure as hell doesn’t produce a job for an American or ease the pain poor people are feeling at the pump or at the grocery store.

snoqualmiefalls

May 3rd, 2011
12:10 pm

Congrats go out to the US military, our Seals, our CIA for the elimination of bin Laden and our President who had the courage to get the job done.
As we view the upheavals in the middle east, keep in mind that the victors in these struggles will be the ones that are the best organized and mobilized such as the Muslim Brotherhood or Taliban or any other organized group. Merely stating a fact of history as a Chinese historian, just look at how the Communist Party succeeded… they were organized, mobilized the population with overwehming support.

Carter

May 3rd, 2011
12:33 pm

This is beyond laughable

Ramguy

May 3rd, 2011
12:36 pm

CT I love they way you so easily pull the strings of the right….lol

Carter

May 3rd, 2011
12:38 pm

Nice try snoqualmiefalls, but no cigar.

This is Bush’s victory. Obama and his Nazi minions attacked and tried to destroy the very prision where the WATERBOARDING was conducted that obtained the intel.

Thank you President Bush. You earned this victory.

BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS

May 3rd, 2011
12:39 pm

when will we hear the hue and cry from the libs of the world for obama to be tried before the world court for the murder of bin laden. this poor tall muslim was never convicted of even the smallest offense and was hunted, trapped and killed without even a farce of a trial.

hahaha!!!

May 3rd, 2011
12:43 pm

@ Ramguy

Lies do not bother anyone. We laugh at your side because you are stuck hiding behind incompetent Nazi propaganda like this old delusional quack.

Kamchak

May 3rd, 2011
12:46 pm

WOW!

Two NAZI references in 5 minutes.

The sock-puppet parade has started early today.

hahaha!!!

May 3rd, 2011
12:47 pm

@Kamchak

well if the shoe fits….. ;)

TBone

May 3rd, 2011
12:49 pm

Is the Teleprompter N Chief ready to return his Nobel Peace Prize yet?

Get Real

May 3rd, 2011
1:03 pm

By the way, there’s one other person who deserves gratitude for helping ensure Usama bin Laden’s downfall at the wrong end of a Navy SEAL’s rifle. I’m thinking of the person who said in October of 2001, “We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and we will not fail. Peace and freedom will prevail.” It’s also the same person who gave our courageous military members their marching orders as commander-in-chief almost 10 years ago: President George W. Bush.

It’s worth noting, Al Qaeda did not become a nemesis to our nation and the free world during President Bush’s time in office. The fingerprints of the terrorist network were on the 1993 attempted bombing of the World Trade Center that ultimately killed six and the 2000 attack against the USS Cole that left 17 sailors dead and over 30 injured. Both occurred on Bill Clinton’s watch as president.

It was, however, President Bush who led our nation through the aftermath of 9/11 by declaring an unequivocal ‘War on Terror;’ making and honoring every commitment to support it despite the political consequences; and keeping our country safe until the day he left office. Not surprisingly, reports now suggest that the intelligence which helped seal bin Laden’s fate was rooted in enhanced interrogation work and results that took place during President Bush’s administration.

Sunday’s successful operation was a major victory in the ongoing battle to defeat the murderous terrorists who continue to have the United States in their crosshairs. And President Obama’s role with it is an encouraging sign for many reasons. Here’s hoping he’s finally realized his predecessor’s tough stance on terrorism was right all along.

kayaker 71

May 3rd, 2011
1:13 pm

All of the liberal horn tooting about what a strategist and cool thinker that Bozo is. He threatened to and tried to close Gitmo where, via water boarding, KSM gave us the answers we needed to get Osama. He and his friends in the media and in Congress were against most of the techniques, including rendition and wire tapping foreign conversations that led to the success in this event. Holder and others must have a lot of egg on their face after his and the media’s withering criticism of Bush, Cheney and Rummy whose techniques Bozo is using and what made this all happen. How many times in the primaries did Bozo level down on just the things he used successfully? No credit for Bush and others that really made these events real. And Bozo will play this like a cheap fiddle leading up to 2012. CT, your hero has not had a good original thought since being sworn in.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

May 3rd, 2011
1:19 pm

Cynthia, I think it’s time for YOU to move to a Muslim country for a while.

Tech Man

May 3rd, 2011
2:01 pm

At lunch I spoke to a church member whose son is in Afghanistan. He, for obvious reasons, is following the news more carefully than most of us, lamented that his son spent most of his time as almost a target while these guys were able to shoot to kill regardless of a civilian nearby.
Come on Obama let all our troops take it to the terrorists.

barking frog

May 3rd, 2011
2:07 pm

OBL was either stupid or dead before the raid, I would think the latter.

WAR

May 3rd, 2011
2:39 pm

God bless America, the president, and SEALs

Boca Baby

May 3rd, 2011
2:56 pm

Cynthia: “…his murderous philosophy or his twisted, despotic version of Islam”. Have you read the Koran? You might be surprised to find that Bin Laden was right in line the its teachings. Please, come out from beneath your shell, wake up and smell the coffee.

Boca Baby

May 3rd, 2011
2:58 pm

Cynthia: “…his murderous philosophy or his twisted, despotic version of Islam”. Have you read the Koran? You might be surprised to find that Bin Laden was right in line with its teachings. Please, come out from beneath your shell, wake up and smell the coffee.

There I have corrected the typo.

WAR

May 3rd, 2011
3:02 pm

this is a new icon i just made up in honor of the president, America, and men and women who serve this great country: >*v*< its suppose to be an eagle!

if you can make this into a real icon then do it. just pass it along!

Purple People Eater

May 3rd, 2011
3:15 pm

Do all of the Tree Huggers still hate Gitmo?

WAR

May 3rd, 2011
3:22 pm

as i leave you today, remember this: two wrongs dont make it right, but two bullets will.

Purple People Eater

May 3rd, 2011
3:25 pm

WAR

that is terrible.

Purple People Eater

May 3rd, 2011
3:30 pm

Obama: “I will close Gitmo if elected.”

Obama, January 2009: “Wow. That is alot of great information. I don’t give a shiite what kind of interrogation practices you are using. Keep it coming.”

Obama, February 2009: “Uhh, yeah, umm, we are gonna keep Gitmo open.”

Your welcome all of you limpwristed liberals.

ElephantWhip

May 3rd, 2011
3:54 pm

To those using OBL’s death as justification for GITMO, etc.:

Ends do not justify means. Let’s presume that questionable tactics were used, not normal interrogation of a prisoner of war. The fact that the information was rendered that way does not prove that the information might not have been gained from the same source using normal interrogation. And the fact that Obama used information possibly gained from inhumane torture does not condone it. What was he supposed to do: ‘Nah, let’s not get OBL because the information would validate poor tactics.’

It’s pretty sad when you try to glorify torture due to results from the information gained. Along the same logic, you should praise abortion (which I do not) because of the information gained through stem cell research.

B Cosby

May 3rd, 2011
5:20 pm

I find it curious that Osama is killed just days after Obama finally produced a birth certificate. Do you think Osama refused to pay return postage on the birth certificate when Obama is finished with it?

Joe

May 3rd, 2011
5:24 pm

I’m still waiting Cindy for you to admit waterboarding works…. Thats how we got the intel….

JohnnyReb

May 3rd, 2011
5:42 pm

Just a reminder to those on the Left – all the crowing about what Obama has done to kill OBL is mostly BS. Yes, he deserves credit for taking a political risk – however – do you think he/Obama really had a choice? The intelligence teams have been hunting OBL for over ten years. Obama did not decide to all of a sudden find and kill OBL. Instead, it was reported to Obama that OBL had been located. Obama really had no choice. It would have been political suicide not to go after OBL. The risk Obama took was the possibility of a failed mission going down in history with that of the peanut farmer’s attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran.

Furthermore, the crowing by the administration is based on successes of policies started in the Bush administration that Obama campaigned against and has widly talked down. He was against it before he was for it. Meanwhile, gasoline is on the way to $5 bucks a gallon and Obama apparently likes that direction.

Kyle

May 3rd, 2011
6:40 pm

To those already poo pooing Obama’s role in this thing: Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, because Bush & Cheney were such complete overbearing idiots when it came to international relations that other “allies” just waited till they were gone before really ponying up the intel they had in their possession? Like it or not, Obama is highly respected and liked by our allies overseas.
Of course there is also the possibility that both Bush and Cheney, who are both members of the Carlyle Group as well as the Bin Laden family, simply looked the other way at Tora Bora years ago at the behest of the Bin Laden family. Their prize for doing so? Enrichment beyond their wildest dreams by being given Iraq on a silver platter; their only obstacle to somehow concoct a plausible story connecting Saddam with Osama to use as a pre-text for war. Gee, no bid war time contracts for Haliburton(run by Cheney for years), and billions in unchecked cash for the Bush and Cheney cabal.

ATL Girl

May 3rd, 2011
6:57 pm

Kyle says:Obama’s role in this thing: Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, because Bush & Cheney were such complete overbearing idiots when it came to international relations that other “allies” just waited till they were gone before really ponying up the intel they had in their possession?

Um, no, I don’t think that and probably never will.

“Obama is highly respected and liked by our allies overseas.”

No, actually he’s not. Did you also not notice that he was snubbed at that little wedding last week?

“Gee, no bid war time contracts for Haliburton(run by Cheney for years)”

Wow, Kyle, you need to brush up on your research. Bill Clinton gave Haliburton no-bid contracts, and so has Obama. Nice try.