Osama’s jihadist dreams died before he did

WASHINGTON — Osama bin Laden lived long enough to see a widespread revolt among Arabs who want nothing to do with his murderous philosophy or his twisted, despotic version of Islam. He knew that his vision for a 7th century caliphate was already dead.

No one knows how the uprisings that started in Tunisia and set off pro-democracy protests across the Arab world will end. The oppressive Syrian government has cracked down brutally; Libya seems bogged down in stalemate, unable to rid itself of the tyrant Ghaddifi. There is more hope for democratic institutions to break through in a country such as Egypt, with a long tradition of a functioning civil society.

Whatever the eventual outcome, though, none of those home-grown uprisings owe allegiance to bin Laden or al-Qaida. There are certainly conservative Islamists among the protestors; it would be naïve to think they wouldn’t be represented.

But they have been just one faction among many. The so-called Arab spring has been fueled by women, many well-educated, some wearing the veil and many without it; by young Muslims who want the chance to vote in free and open elections; by an impoverished peddler who was sick of the tyranny of a corrupt state. Osama was not their inspiration.

Most Muslims were never enthralled by al-Qaida or the violence it represented. And Osama lost his opportunity to win more converts with his indiscriminate carnage, which killed Muslims, including women, children and the handicapped. Indeed, al-Qaida used children and the mentally handicapped to carry out its savage suicide bombings.

President Barack Obama noted al-Qaida’s wanton savagery in his speech to the nation Sunday night: “Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims. Indeed, al-Qaida has slaughtered scores of Muslims in many countries, including our own. So his demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity.”

In the days and weeks to come, Americans will be reminded many times by our elected and appointed leaders that the war against jihadists is not over. The president has already said so. There will be more terrorists to run to ground, more suicide bombers to disrupt, more intelligence to gather on training grounds and financial networks.

But Osama’s grand plans died before he did. And there’s a little bit of poetic justice in his lingering long enough to see his worldview clearly rejected by so much of the Arab world.

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Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
6:44 pm

Keep, my link is waiting moderation. Try going to ABCNews website and read about the CIA interrogation and their European prisons. Cheney said KSM was waterboarded mulitiple times. Rummy qualified his statement by insisting that the DOD did not waterboard.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:58 pm

Rafe, sorry I have not seen one credible source that has stated the simple fact that torture provided the evidence that led to OBL.

In fact, from ABC news: It began with a tip to the CIA eight months ago about a possible Osama bin Laden hiding place, and led Sunday to the bold military operation that will go down in U.S. history, as Navy SEALs killed the Al Qaeda leader in a mansion in Abbottabad, Pakistan while he reportedly used women as human shields.

As to the courier info: In 2007, U.S. officials who were interrogating Guantanamo detainees finally learned the real name of a former Khalid Sheikh Muhammad protégé who had become an important confidante of Abu Faraj al Libi. Al Libi was captured in 2005 and also taken to Guantanamo.

Nothing about how the info was obtained by torture.

TruthBe

May 2nd, 2011
7:16 pm

Thank you to ALL of the Brave People in our Military, Special Forces, CIA, and Leaders for a job well done. And yes thank you to President Obama for giving the final OK to go and get Osama. Now lets see if the muslims want peace or theiy just a bunch of haters and killers.

jconservative

May 2nd, 2011
7:32 pm

“…Bush’s vision for a Democratic Iraq had anything to do with the outcome?”

While not a great supporter of Bush, I will give him credit for the vision of a Democratic Islamic world.
And I pray his vision of that peaceful, democratic Islamic world will be realized.

But I wonder what drives his supporters?

Bush said many times that the US was not at war with Islam. Just by reading this blog I can tell most Bush supporters believe we are at war with Islam.

Most Bush supporters were, and are, opposed to Muslims building a Mosque near ground zero. Yet those same folks supported spending over 5000 American lives and $1.5 trillion taxpayer dollars to build new nations for Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Can someone please explain this apparent contradiction to this simple old country boy?

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 2nd, 2011
7:36 pm

Kudos to our intelligence services and military. Kudos to Obama for having the stones to give the go ahead (as opposed to a previous administration). But folks, you’re missing something.

None of this would have happened if we hadn’t put pressure on Osama Bin Laden, his organization and other militant Muslim groups in the Middle East by having troops on the ground. Constant, sustained pressure that compelled OBL and his organization to allocate assets, manpower and intelligence against our military forces in his backyard as opposed to our backyard.

None of this would have happened without interrogation of detainees. Detainees that were caught or captured during military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The interrogations took place as a result of extraordinary rendition and at Gitmo.

Again, kudos to our intelligence services, military and the president. But, if you fail to acknowledge that the events of Sunday would not have occurred without the policies and decisions of our previous administration, you’re not playing with a full deck.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2011
8:04 pm

CT- Osama bin Laden lived long enough to see a widespread revolt among Arabs who want nothing to do with his murderous philosophy or his twisted, despotic version of Islam.

Iran says “What?” I’m guessing all the Israeli’s are now breathing a sigh of relief….

Jonas

May 2nd, 2011
8:08 pm

To my esteemed Pulitzer prize winner blogger. Your challenge will be to forget your admiration and daily adjulation of the sitting Pres and meditate on the picture of the inside group viewing the killing. Write from your inner being and not what Chris Matthews has to say and judge. What do you see and what is your interpretation. Bin Laden was not a pit bull allowed to be mauled by Michael Vick. Was he a cold blooded killer? Was he a hero and a villain to some? In the grand scheme of this thing called life what roll, if any, did W and Obama play? Are politics a zero sum game or an instrumental key to the puzzle.

In shallah

Tech Man

May 2nd, 2011
8:12 pm

Peter
May 2nd, 2011
4:26 pm

And what about Libya’s oil?

Chris Matthews

May 2nd, 2011
8:25 pm

Obama should be impeached!

clay fountaine

May 2nd, 2011
8:26 pm

Obama is a champ/Bush is a chump

dreama

May 2nd, 2011
8:45 pm

Now I know why Bush could not find Bin Ladan – he was looking at the wrong place. Iraq is just 1530 miles away from Pakistan :-)

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
8:57 pm

Keep, this one is for you. From ABC News. I know you need a video of the interrogation, but for most folks this says what you are looking for.

“The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA’s so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

“We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day,” said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.”

slim

May 2nd, 2011
9:11 pm

“10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths, and $1,188,263,000,000 later, we managed to kill one person. (Next time START w/ the Seals 1st)”

Chuck Allison

May 2nd, 2011
9:42 pm

Many say that the Arabs are revolting because they support radical Islam over their present governments. If so, that would be pleasing to al Queda. I sure don’t agree with your theory that they are moving away from radicalism. No, you are definitely wrong.

Gator

May 2nd, 2011
9:52 pm

Lawrence of Bogart—- how much do you pay in taxes? I’m sure every April 15 you probably get a check from “Obama’s stash”. Do you even have a job?

PecanDawg

May 2nd, 2011
10:03 pm

I know some of you on the Right do not want to give Obama props on this but this was once of the gutsiest decisions ever made by a President. Considering the way this was done. Not by a drone attack but by a special ops strike team with potential to go wrong like the ‘79 Iran hostage rescue disaster.

casual observer

May 2nd, 2011
10:30 pm

Not one Muslim leader publicly stood up against OBL after 9/11. Not one. Saudi’s? nope, Kuwati’s? nope, Egyptians? nope, Iraqi’s? nope, Syrians? nope, Jordanians? nope, Yemenis? nope, Bahrainis’? nope. UAE? nope

None of the Arab world stood up against the murder of over 3,000 Americans. As a matter of fact it was celebrated in the streets of some cities. So to say Muslim countries took a stand against the teachings of OBL may be true however; none had the guts to publicly admit it. All cowards who just want American tax payer hand-outs too.

The Warden

May 2nd, 2011
10:30 pm

Curious question for the libs on board….How can you be anti capital punishment, yet the killing of OBL is great? Is it partisan politics?

ATL Girl

May 2nd, 2011
10:36 pm

I give Obama credit and praise for coordinating with the special ops to do this in the best way and having a successful outcome. I believe it will come out that waterboarding is the way the intel was gathered to lead years later to this outcome. I hope if that’s the case that you skeptics of that method (which our soldiers are trained to withstand as well) will admit Bush was right about that interrogation technique. I don’t think I’ll hold my breath though. I read these posts where so many of your capitalize The President (which isn’t supposed to be capped, by the way) when referring to Obama and can’t help but wonder if you did that when Bush was president. I seriously doubt that you did. I personally always referred to Bush as “Bush,” even though I’m a Republican.

ck hall

May 2nd, 2011
10:48 pm

I will believe your treatise when Arab countries congratulate our President for his actions. Most have not–Only a handful have said thank you,i.e Saudi Arabia.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
11:09 pm

Curious question for the libs on board….How can you be anti capital punishment…

Where exactly, did I say that I was anti capital punishment, sport?

Atlanta 1

May 2nd, 2011
11:28 pm

Jconservative – I can explain why I am against a Mosque being built near Ground ‘0′. For centuries Muslims have built Mosque on the very ground or very close to the ground of anywhere they have what they considered a ‘great victory’.

People like myself wanted proof that this was all in good faith, meaning that this church/community center was being built for the right reasons. So, all we wanted to see was the ‘money trail’. Something that was never supplied.

The truth to just about anything that goes on in this world can be found simply by following the money. If you refuse to show me the money trail – you have told me all I need to know.

ken

May 3rd, 2011
12:29 am

Good job to the best military in the world. Thank You !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TnGelding

May 3rd, 2011
12:35 am

Lil’ Barry Bailout

May 2nd, 2011
4:28 pm

You’ve resorter to embarrassing yourself again. Get real!

TnGelding

May 3rd, 2011
12:36 am

TnGelding

May 3rd, 2011
12:41 am

This lib doesn’t think the killing was great. But it was probably the most practical thing to do under the circumstances. Why don’t conservatives have confidence in our court system and why have they abandoned the rule of law?

Judge, jury, executioner. Quick and easy. And fraught with peril.

TnGelding

May 3rd, 2011
12:43 am

slim

May 2nd, 2011
9:11 pm

You got that right. I’ve said that all along. There was a covert role for the military. By doing it overtly it just raised the stakes and incensed the enemy.

ODDOWL

May 3rd, 2011
2:29 am

President Barack (The Hawk) Obama, master of the drone wars. Those predator drones are silent and deadly. Death from the sky !!!

granny godzilla

May 3rd, 2011
5:48 am

please disregard anything i post as i am a complete moron

joe suggs

May 3rd, 2011
6:29 am

Do not thank Obama for striking. He wasn’t leading the assault ! He was at home dip dapping around with his homies .

Rascal

May 3rd, 2011
7:09 am

President Obama deserves a lot of credit for hard decisons he made in the months leading up to the assault that killed bin Laden. Bush deserves credit for the hard decisons he made to get the intel that enabled Obama’s choices. Young men risked thier lives in a daring and professional assault to finally get bin Laden
Is it so hard to say both?
Is hatred so extreme that curses must accompany blessings.
Tucker’s first column on this day was more of the same partisan drivel. She is so stuck on hate that it makes it hard for her to function rationally.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 3rd, 2011
7:25 am

CT – 81 comments
JB – 379 comments

CT, soon to be relegated to the dustbin of history…

gator24

May 3rd, 2011
8:08 am

These Conservatives are trying to take credit for the killing of Bin Laden because it was a successful mission. When the attempted bombing of the Airliner over Chicago failed, Cheney along with many others called the President incompetent. The Bush administration had seven years to get the job done in the killing of Bin Laden, they failed and now there out in the media trying to take credit for the intelligent which led to a successful operation this past Sunday.
They all want to take credit for it because it was successful, who are these people , Cheney, Rice and all others should be blame for 9/11. Oh, no they all run like hell from the truth when its failure.

Marie

May 3rd, 2011
8:14 am

And what should we make of Hamas decrying the assassination of “this holy warrior”. We cannot forget that still many Muslims desire the annihilation of the Jewish state and thus they are still united in Osama’s real dream; failing to acknowledge this leaves our only “real” middle east ally in peril.

Corey

May 3rd, 2011
8:15 am

“I don’t know where Osama is, and I don’t think about him,” said Mr. Bush. Less than ninety days into his presidency Mr. Obama sent a memo to CIA director Panetta instructing him to focus on capturing Osama. Some of Mr. Obama’s advisors wanted to bomb the compound. Others wanted a drone attack. Others wanted a clandestine operation, but Mr. Obama rejected those and suggested the Navy Seals operation. What’s this I hear? The rabid, right, daily trolls on hear just exploded. I know. Some facts cut like a knife. That’s life.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 3rd, 2011
8:25 am

Don’t forget to thank Bush for making bin laden irrelevent. Which, actually he wasn’t. As the gathered intel will prove, he has stuff in the pipeline.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 3rd, 2011
8:27 am

AND why did we bomb the crap out of lybia, but not sending a fire cracker over to syria who is doing the same things to their people?

buck@gon

May 3rd, 2011
8:29 am

For anyone also blogging on Bookman, don’t bother here. This is the same article; clearly, one or the other was looking over a shoulder. Bookman’s version is a little more audacious (and thus it begets in the reader a greater element of incredulity).

Still, the theme is the same. Ignore the aggressive efforts of the US. It was Obama and his wonderful countenance, “measured approach” and peace-making for which is so pre-deserved the Nobel prize that ignited the “Arab Spring”.

I doubt that any of this is true in the way that they say so, actually. During Bush, Ghadafi was heeling before the world. Only in the age of the great apologizer Adolesident Obama does he dare rise up and threaten again. As for Egypt, who knows how that will turn out. As for uprisings, seen through my lens of the media, I can only hazard a guess that if the President were Bush, that these “bloodbaths” as they would have been called, would have been blamed on him and his policies.

It’s an interesting point that CT brings up, that al-qada used women and children as cannon fodder, it’s true. Even so, the liberal view does not condone attacking aggressively such vile enemies. As we are led to believe here, our aggression wasn’t the cause of Osama’s downfall; it was just public opinion–the battle that Cynthia probably believes herself brave, intelligent and courageous enough to fight.

Needles

May 3rd, 2011
8:42 am

According to the Drudge Report, the bullet that killed Bin Laden blew his skull apart.

That

is

A W E S O M E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shawny

May 3rd, 2011
8:45 am

So search the following ajc.com article, “Phone call by Kuwaiti courier led to bin Laden”.

It says that the mission began 4 years ago with a tapped phone call. Go Patriot Act!!!!
Thank you, GWB. You can tap my phone all you want.

What

May 3rd, 2011
8:49 am

Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, two of the real patriots in the war on terror. — You have to be kidding!

What

May 3rd, 2011
8:53 am

To the Warden: Curious question for the right-wingers on board, how can you be pro-life and support wars and killing?

Wiie

May 3rd, 2011
8:56 am

What would Tucker have said if Bush were president instead of Obama? Would we hear rants about Pakistan’s territorial integrity, rendition, death penalties without trial, lies about the process?

Maybe hints about the hidden truth of 911?

Tucker has long since gone blind

Good Grief

May 3rd, 2011
9:01 am

Slim @ 9:11 -
You’re right, in 10 years we’ve only managed to take out 1 enemy combatant. Admittedly, it was a high profile combatant, but only 1 nonetheless.

TBone

May 3rd, 2011
9:06 am

conservative christians and fundamentalist muslims are two peas in the same pod. hence the importance of separation of church and state. don’t let the crazed christians force their ideology on the govt.. the union is at stake.

Are you kidding me? I suggest that you know absolutely nothing about Christianity. Whereas Islam is a religion that avoids the whole salvation question altogether; Christianity is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and redemption. When’s the last time you heard of a Christain running into a public place strapped with C4 and a detonator scream Jesus Christ and blowing the whole place up?
If you think for one minute that jiahdists are going to go running with their proverbial tails tucked between the legs, you really don’t have a clue what this is all about. They are moving toward a Caliphate and nothing will impede that not the death of bin Laden or any other.

Cynthia Who?

May 3rd, 2011
9:20 am

I’m impressed. I believe this is the first time I’ve read a post by you that didn’t take a jab at the right.

Oprah

May 3rd, 2011
9:26 am

As usual CT, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The vast majority of the people rioting are revolting against their governments that refuse to let them govern themseleves under Sharia Law

buck@gon

May 3rd, 2011
9:29 am

Needles @ 8:42,

High velocity rounds do that.

buck@gon

May 3rd, 2011
9:32 am

I had to comment on a tagline for the web ajc.com. It said, “Obama’s poker face.”

Oooh, HIS FACE is I’m guessing how Tucker and most people who get their ajc paychecks think of it. We can’t study Obama as a whole because HE is just too complex, too broad minded, too capable, smart and effective really to fully function with mere normal human beings scratching out our pathetic lives in our limited world.

All this hero worship is nauseating, especially given Tucker’s article yesterday.

Barack Hussein Obama, may Peace be upon him.

buck@gon

May 3rd, 2011
9:35 am

Cynthia who @ 9:20,

That may be, but what I find incredible is that Mr. T has a perfect record for neglecting to see, report and analyze the truth.

I would consider the truth a greater and more important casualty than “the right.”