Osama’s jihadist dreams died before he did

WASHINGTON — Osama bin Laden lived long enough to see a widespread revolt among Arabs who want nothing to do with his murderous philosophy or his twisted, despotic version of Islam. He knew that his vision for a 7th century caliphate was already dead.

No one knows how the uprisings that started in Tunisia and set off pro-democracy protests across the Arab world will end. The oppressive Syrian government has cracked down brutally; Libya seems bogged down in stalemate, unable to rid itself of the tyrant Ghaddifi. There is more hope for democratic institutions to break through in a country such as Egypt, with a long tradition of a functioning civil society.

Whatever the eventual outcome, though, none of those home-grown uprisings owe allegiance to bin Laden or al-Qaida. There are certainly conservative Islamists among the protestors; it would be naïve to think they wouldn’t be represented.

But they have been just one faction among many. The so-called Arab spring has been fueled by women, many well-educated, some wearing the veil and many without it; by young Muslims who want the chance to vote in free and open elections; by an impoverished peddler who was sick of the tyranny of a corrupt state. Osama was not their inspiration.

Most Muslims were never enthralled by al-Qaida or the violence it represented. And Osama lost his opportunity to win more converts with his indiscriminate carnage, which killed Muslims, including women, children and the handicapped. Indeed, al-Qaida used children and the mentally handicapped to carry out its savage suicide bombings.

President Barack Obama noted al-Qaida’s wanton savagery in his speech to the nation Sunday night: “Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims. Indeed, al-Qaida has slaughtered scores of Muslims in many countries, including our own. So his demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity.”

In the days and weeks to come, Americans will be reminded many times by our elected and appointed leaders that the war against jihadists is not over. The president has already said so. There will be more terrorists to run to ground, more suicide bombers to disrupt, more intelligence to gather on training grounds and financial networks.

But Osama’s grand plans died before he did. And there’s a little bit of poetic justice in his lingering long enough to see his worldview clearly rejected by so much of the Arab world.

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TnGelding

May 2nd, 2011
3:44 pm

Yes, it seems his vision has been rejected by the vast majority. But we need to take this opportuinty to allow those weary of the fight to lay down their arms and return to their homes. The handwritng is on the wall.

And what is our role in further helping to achieve a stable ME? We’ve got to put more pressure on the despots to get out and let the people reclaim their lives and their governments.

And we need to do whatever possible to denuclearize the region. The potential for mischief is scary.

Wondering

May 2nd, 2011
3:47 pm

When I think of the middle east dictators, I keep asking, when are these people going to demand their god given rights. The Iraqis never did. The Iranians did and ceded them to a worst tyrant. I kept asking why they expect American blood to be shed when they aren’t willing to fight for themselves.

This spring I have witnessed such uprisings, and the western world has stepped up to protect and help. Libyia, Syria, Yemen and others will liberate themselves from dictators or at least loosen their binds. And it will be done with minimal loss of life, especially Americans. I applaud their backbones for standing up. I also watch to see if they replace one tyrant with another (Iran) or move to a democratic form of government with individual rights protection (Egypt).

JohnnyReb

May 2nd, 2011
3:58 pm

And I suppose none on the Left think that Bush’s vision for a Democratic Iraq had anything to do with the outcome?

Mary Elizabeth

May 2nd, 2011
4:07 pm

“But Osama’s grand plans died before he did. And there’s a little bit of poetic justice in his lingering long enough to see his worldview clearly rejected by so much of the Arab world.”
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Well said. Worldview is rapidly changing throughout the world – as well in this country – toward one that is more egalitarian, not only in governance but in all human interaction.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
4:07 pm

Bush’s vision thingie for Iraq only involved smoking guns and mushroom clouds.

Just sayin’.

Not at the Trough

May 2nd, 2011
4:08 pm

I am not sure where you get your information, but I gather members of the Muslim brotherhood are seeking to upset 50% of the seats in the Egyptian Parliament. After that, it is all over for visiting the pyramids kids. And about democracies in these hell holes, I can’t get over how all you liberals live in hope that if you just play nice these crazy jihadists will “see the light”. Get over it. They are after your blood.

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
4:09 pm

You can’t trust the information you get from enhanced interrogation! They will say anything to get you to stop!

Gitmo should be closed and these criminals tried in civilian court in Peoria.

Welcome back to reality, Libs!

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
4:14 pm

BTW, Congratulations to President Barry. He was finally successful at something good.

Lawrence of Bogart

May 2nd, 2011
4:25 pm

conservative christians and fundamentalist muslims are two peas in the same pod. hence the importance of separation of church and state. don’t let the crazed christians force their ideology on the govt.. the union is at stake.

hobby

May 2nd, 2011
4:26 pm

“But Osama’s(OBAMA’S) grand plans died before he did. And there’s a little bit of poetic justice in his lingering long enough to see his worldview clearly rejected by so much of the Arab(FREE) world.”

Not much difference——just say’in

Peter

May 2nd, 2011
4:26 pm

Bush wanted to get at the oil Saddam wouldn’t allow to be sold through the major oil players of the world…….so he took out Saddam.

Freedom for Iraq was a by product of war for oil.

Johnnyreb…..do you beleive Saddam and Bin Laden worked together on 9/11 ?

Lil' Barry Bailout

May 2nd, 2011
4:28 pm

The Idiot Messiah is successful at everything he does that involves going along with each and every GWOT policy put in place by our President Bush. Everything else he touches pretty much turns to dogsqeeze.

Harold J. Boxwood

May 2nd, 2011
4:28 pm

Picture this folks: Living in a house couped up with six wives and a passle of screaming kids and you have to stay close in and you can’t get out much. That feller needed some relief and would have likely commited sideways if the Seals hadn’t uh got him and took him out to sea.

PearlJam

May 2nd, 2011
4:30 pm

Don’t forget the Freedom loving Iraq’s that hung Saddam.

JohnnyReb

May 2nd, 2011
4:37 pm

Kamchak, I’ve watched others hi-jack your name over time. I have not been on in a while, so that may have subsided. However, the Kamchak I use to read with his short wit knows Bush had more in mind for Iraq than oil. Plus, if your post was correct, why didn’t it show in the world markets?

Lawerence of Bogart – which alternative universe do you reside? Conservative Christian ideology is well rooted in our government and laws.

Peter – I have no idea if Saddam conspired with OBL. I don’t think anyone does. Just rumors.

Scooter (The Original)

May 2nd, 2011
4:40 pm

“uprisings that started in Tunisia and set off pro-democracy protests across the Arab world will end.”

While Bush 43 didn’t say it would start in Tunisia, he did predict Operation Iraqi Freedom would set off revolts against despotic rulers throughout the region.

granny godzilla

May 2nd, 2011
4:42 pm

I hope and pray your premise is right.

I would like to think our days of fighting wars in the Middle East
are fast coming to an end.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
4:43 pm

Kamchak, I’ve watched others hi-jack your name over time. I have not been on in a while, so that may have subsided.

Still happens.

However, the Kamchak I use to read with his short wit knows Bush had more in mind for Iraq than oil.

I posted nothing about oil, sport.

Lawrence of Bogart

May 2nd, 2011
4:44 pm

Osama was a wanna-be fascist dictator under a veneer of religion, using it as a tool. Kinda like GW and his born-again minions. Religion is the problem here, there, and everywhere.

David S

May 2nd, 2011
4:52 pm

He said he would drag us into a series of small expensive wars in the middle east that would bankrupt us. That was his dream. Sounds like his dream WAS realized. And along with the announcement was the proclamation that the war on terror continues.

Cynthia, you have this wrong. Osama’s dream has come true, and thanks to our federal government (both Rep. and Dem. both Bush and Obama), the nightmare of the american people continues.

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
4:55 pm

Lawrence
Lay off the weed! War for oil; haven’t heard that in awhile. I guess W is storing all that oil in Crawford, huh? What is Barry doing with the oil now that he is in charge?

Free Roger McDowell!

JohnnyReb

May 2nd, 2011
4:56 pm

Kamchak, my apology. But, no mushroom cloud either.

Lawrence of Bogart

May 2nd, 2011
4:57 pm

rafe,

religion is the problem, ignore it at your own peril.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
5:05 pm

But, no mushroom cloud either.

Are you denying that Bush administration officials didn’t put forth that notion?

Really?

The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly Saddam can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
Condoleezza Rice

Lawrence of Bogart

May 2nd, 2011
5:09 pm

“There is nothing we can’t do.” Obama

Except tax the rich.

AmVet

May 2nd, 2011
5:12 pm

What a horrific day for poor Lil’ Barry.

The man he hates worse than OBL, had some big time success.

You just know that chaps Barry’s azz…

Nancy Reagan

May 2nd, 2011
5:18 pm

The image of Barack Obama as a weak inexperienced leader in the War on Terror, an image relentlessly fostered by Dick Cheney, has suffered a fatal blow.

I don’t see how the GOP nominee in 2012 can stand up there and say with a straight face, “I, Mitt Romney (or Tim Pawlenty or Mike Huckabee), bring greater experience in this conflict.”

Not after this spectacular coup, the killing of bin Laden, which ranks with the raising of the flag on Iwo Jima, in terms of symbolic power.

Raul Rodon

May 2nd, 2011
5:21 pm

Maybe if W would’ve gotten the job done like this, instead of invading a country that had no involvement, HE’D be the one at home right now shining his Nobel Peace Prize.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
5:24 pm

Once again we see the Lil bar for the low bar he sets for his credibility….if Obama does something he can’t find fault with, it was because Bush established a good policy. So its “Credit Bush never Blame Bush”. Buffoonery from the #1 leader of the parade of buffoonery.

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Raul Rodon

May 2nd, 2011
5:29 pm

Baggers/GOP talk the talk…Obama walks the walk. So much sorrow from the bush wars-Obama commands a surgical strike problem solved.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
5:32 pm

Rafe, you have a reliable link to something that proves that the information from Gitmo detainees used to find the courier was actually obtained from waterboarding or similar action and not from normal interrogation? or just making up claims?

Raul Rodon

May 2nd, 2011
5:37 pm

I hear Glenn Becky led the raid and drowned OBL in tears.

Ricardo Montalbon

May 2nd, 2011
5:47 pm

More and more, the stain, the terrible legacy of George ‘Dubya’ Bush and his incompetent and disastrous regime of Republican Neo-Cons is being corrected and erased…. .. and our stature as a nation of accomplishment and achievement is being elevated by this administration.

YES WE CAN! Thank you Mr. President.

clay fountaine

May 2nd, 2011
5:52 pm

Dubya couldn’t find Waldo, let alone Osama Bin Laden.You Klan types will never be satisfied with our President….%$#& you all! Obama is a shoo-in fo’ 4 mo’

nutcracker

May 2nd, 2011
5:54 pm

DNA testing seems to always takes days(or weeks) to get results. These results were confirmed in hours? Now the body is gone? can’t re-test? no pictures?

just sayin’

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:00 pm

Nut…no just what are you saying. Do you know alything about DNA testing other than what you assume is science from 24 or some other silly crime show.

JohnnyReb

May 2nd, 2011
6:04 pm

Kamchak – no denial, the Bush administration was concerned of WMD. However, regardless of why and how we got there, my point is, the objectives achieved in Iraq has no doubt contributed to the instability in the ME with people there demanding democracy, even if their form of democracy does not mirror ours. You don’t read that in Ms Tucker’s piece even though it is very obvious. Bush deserves credit for that; it was/is policy. On the otherhand, the objective to caputure/kill OBL was in place before Obama took office. He/Obama deserves credit for keeping it and acting on it when the time was right, however, doing so does not elevate him to the level the Left will promote. We might, however, actually see Matthews pi$$ his pants on natioanl TV.

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
6:05 pm

These results were confirmed in hours?

Who said that the tests were confirmed within hours?

Kamchak

May 2nd, 2011
6:07 pm

We might, however, actually see Matthews pi$$ his pants on natioanl[sic] TV.

You might, but I can’t stand him.

nutcracker

May 2nd, 2011
6:07 pm

keep
I know very little about it……..but probably more than you

nutcracker

May 2nd, 2011
6:10 pm

Kamchak
within hours? I’ts only been 24 hours since the deed was done! we have heard about the positive DNA tests all day!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:15 pm

Nut…sure whatever you say…… I’m sure you’re the top of the conspiracy brain trust. but thanks for the generous offer to share what little you know…

deathers — the new birthers.

Atlanta 1

May 2nd, 2011
6:16 pm

Wow…

Seriously. Many of you need to get help. You see the world either in a complete view from the ‘left or the right’.

All should praise this President on how he has handled this entire affair. While there is much I have issue with – when it comes to President Obama; his strategy for the Middle East has been just about ’spot on’.

For those of you who think we should just take our toys and come home; you cannot do that until we fix our own energy dependancy. We spent over a Trillion Dollars on this war – what if we had taken that same money and restructured our cars to run off of Natual Gas and established Natural Gas stations around the country? That dependancy would be very different. That way if we chose to be in ‘internal affairs’ of those countries it would be a ‘right vrs wrong’ decision, verses our own ‘national defense’ meaning the need for the oil to help drive our economy.

You just cannot up and leave. You have to make sure that the oil pipeline is secure. It doesn’t mean you install a dictatorship that is friendly to you. But it does mean that you help protect a ‘freely elected’ government, where millions stood in line to vote, despite the risk of death from terrorist. And in return the oil flows free.

We fix our energy dependancy (our top priority for National Defense) and we rethink our ‘policeman of the world’ strategy – if for no other reason than the ‘cost’. This country can no longer afford to establish and hold bases in every region of the world.

We need a dual strategy – one that removes our oil dependancy and one that eventually exits our troops completely out of the region.

Mama Says

May 2nd, 2011
6:17 pm

All any republican has to do is argue that he would do it the right way and he will have a chance in 2012, an Obama supporter should know that election tactic, isn’t that what he/libs did to Bush.All republicans have to do is show tapes of Obama’s problems with Bush during the campaign and then say the same thing since Obama adopted Bush doctrine.
I don’t think you libs want to start the experiance argument do you ? I mean all told your guy has 4 years in the senate (with no terror knowledge) and two years as president with Gates (conservative) and Petraus (conservative war commander) advising him, both Bush appointees.

Obama = Bush in so many ways,

Gitmo

wire taps

military command staff

involuntary rendition

Military action in soveriegn countries

tax cuts for the “rich” (this one is funny–anyone who knows math knows that even 10% of 1 million is more than 10 % of 75,000 and the “rich are taxed at 35 %, how are they getting a break ?)

reading e-mails

Bush =military tribunals, Obama =…wait ! civilian courts ? no military tribunal ?–yeah tribunals !

Obama – Bush difference ;

Bush sought UN approval for Iraq, Obama sought none for Pakistan (which I support)

Bush 2 Wars—Obama continued Bush’s + attacked Pakistan (see soveriegn nation complaint libs had against Bush) & currently bombing Lybia

Bush supported harsh interrogation (which led to this operation–see front page of this paper)—Obama sign order eliminating it.

I congradulate Obama striking like he should have, I deplore liberal hypocrites who lack the moral outrage at Obama over the same issues they had wish Bush.

and unlike you libs I support ALL of Obama’s foriegn policy issues—-did yo guys support anything Bush did ?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:22 pm

Nut — and you explain this how?

NBC News has been told that the CIA’S facial recognition technology has identified Bin Laden’s face with 95% certainty — after comparing it to known pictures of Bin him. That is considered very high accuracy

Rafe Hollister

May 2nd, 2011
6:26 pm

Keep, re the enhanced interrogation techniques revealing the link to the courier, I have read that in three different locations today. One I believe was MSNBC, however, I am not going back and rereading all those articles to find you a link. I read where other critical details were obtained by the CIA at prisons they maintain in Poland and one other country. Rendition, I think they call it, supported by Barry and W. I am sure the CIA uses cookies and milk to get vital information. I know if I was in one of those dreadful prisons I would sell my soul for a hot cookie and a cold glass of milk.

KSM also provided the street name of the courier during his “interview” at GITMO. I believe I saw the answer to your question in the AJC and in a story by AP. Read Drudge and get some info, it is free you know.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 2nd, 2011
6:36 pm

Rafe. nonsense. As stated by Bush Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who presumably has some knowledge about what went on at Gitmo, today threw some cold water on this theory:

“The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

They always were dead

May 2nd, 2011
6:40 pm

Bin Laden’s ‘dreams’ were dead after he killed anyone other than a Soviet soldier in the Aghanistan war in the 80s. Then he was a hero, once he targeted civilians (throughout the 90s and the 2000s) he lost any chance of gaining any type of acceptance from any civilized person (he’ll always have his followers, just like Hitler does, etc.).

kayaker 71

May 2nd, 2011
6:41 pm

Just wish that Stanley McCrystal could have stayed the commander of Joint Special Forces while this was going on. He was a good soldier and a patriot. Just didn’t care much for his boss….. a rather common feeling among Special Ops people. The shadow operations of the JCOS is a tribute to Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, two of the real patriots in the war on terror. Bozo doesn’t have a clue and remains the paper tiger that he is. Thank God for our military and their persistence in finally bringing this despot to his his just reward.