Arizona birther bill: Too dumb even for Brewer

Having been comfortably elected after shamelessly blaming illegal immigrants for everything from higher crime rates to headless bodies (neither was true), Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has grown tired of the foolishness propounded by rightwingers in her state.
She’s tired of having Arizona made a laughingstock and the subject of tourism boycotts, as it has been for having passed a harsh anti-immigrant bill that smacks of apartheid. (Having been elevated to the post after Janet Napolitano resigned to become HHS secretary, Brewer was then running for her first full term and supported the bill.)
So Brewer vetoed a so-called birther bill that would have required any candidate for president to present a set of documents proving he was born in the U.S. From the Arizona Republic:

Gov. Jan Brewer on Wednesday shot down an effort by the Arizona Legislature to require presidential candidates to provide proof of citizenship in order to get on the state’s ballot.

In her veto letter, Brewer said House Bill 2177 “creates significant new problems while failing to do anything constructive for Arizona.”

The House and Senate could override the governor’s veto with a two-thirds majority vote in each chamber, but on Monday, such a move appeared unlikely. . .

“I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their ‘early baptismal or circumcision certificates,’ among other records, to the Arizona Secretary of State,” Brewer said in her letter. “This is a bridge too far.”

The push for so-called birther measures stems from questions about President Barack Obama’s birthplace. Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama’s birth in their state, but some continue to believe he was born in Kenya, his father’s homeland.

Lawmakers in several states, including Arizona, have proposed legislation to require that candidates show proof of citizenship. But, like the numerous lawsuits that have been filed challenging Obama’s qualifications, none has been successful.

Birthers are a hardy lot in the Republican base, as Donald Trump’s rise in the polls has shown. And they’ll just use Brewer’s action as proof that she’s in on the conspiracy. Of course, that means they believe in time travel. How else could Obama’s mother have placed a birth announcement in a Honolulu newspaper in 1961?

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CT is off here meds again

April 19th, 2011
10:44 am

CT -

Can you even remember the last time you spoke or typed a truth? Arizona never passed anti immigrant legislation, as well you know. They passed a carbon copy of the Federal anti ILLEGAL alien bill.

Don't Tread

April 19th, 2011
10:49 am

Yeah, I guess requiring proof that you’re eligible for something is “dumb”. I guess job applicants applying for a job where a college degree is a requirement shouldn’t actually prove that they have a degree. Or maybe welfare applicants shouldn’t have to provide proof of [low] income to receive benefits.

We had the “no doc” mortgages a few years ago…look what happened there.

I guess it’s just better if nobody has to prove anything to get something in return (because people are so honest).

Peadawg

April 19th, 2011
10:52 am

“Yeah, I guess requiring proof that you’re eligible for something is “dumb”.”

I’m wondering the same thing. While I don’t agree with the “birthers”, I see nothing wrong with this bill.

wow

April 19th, 2011
10:55 am

wow is all i can say, cause i know white people are scared of obama and have been scared, i know this cause i am white, and i watched my mom / stepdad / grandparents all turn into racist in 08 which fueled my fire to vote for obama… birthers are just racist in its most pure and simple way, only they hide behind the “o well its a legitamite question” when really there are 5 federal angencys that BUSH PERSONALY asked to look into it. they didnt find anything. good luck trump ..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 19th, 2011
10:57 am

Baptismal records are “evidence” (Baptism does not occur at birth) but a certification of live birth from the state and confirmed by the state is not. Brewer was right to veto this bill (she may get overturned).

S. C.

April 19th, 2011
10:59 am

Cynthia, keep speaking the truth and one day, perhaps it will set some of these right-wing morons free. Bullies and bigots in cyberspace, is what they are. For someone who has been reading you for 15+yrs., you became one of my favorite columnists in America when you took Maynard Jackson, Atlanta Mayor (of color, in fact) to task for unscrupulous financial activity w/airport bonds, etc.

That told me that you were a “beyond-race” writer. I can only pray that some of these commenters might be delivered one day from their hateful rants, laced w/racism and bigotry. Here’s hoping! Keep writing the truth, my lady.

market

April 19th, 2011
11:00 am

Only reason the Neo-Comms waste so much trashing and slandering “the birthers” is because of all the overwhelming evidence pointing to his birth in Kenya.

Like his Kenyan birth certifcate and all his Kenyan family members who witnessed it.

DebbieDoRight

April 19th, 2011
11:02 am

Tucker, can you cite for me a single community, town or city that continued to prosper as their black population grew?

Only if you cite for her any community, town or city that continued to prosper after you were announced as the village idiot, town fool and/or usurper of common sense. I guess she and I will have to wait.

Pdawg: I’m wondering the same thing. While I don’t agree with the “birthers”, I see nothing wrong with this bill.

Try thinking about the constitutionality of the bill, then try thinking about the lawsuits that will follow and after that think about wasting the Surpremes time with trivial endless debates over nothing.

fascist gopher

April 19th, 2011
11:03 am

Brewer has vetoed hatred. The “nutty” right will bestow the honorable title of RINO on her noggin….

fascist gopher

April 19th, 2011
11:04 am

oops! on her noggin, my apologies for the typo.

Peadawg

April 19th, 2011
11:04 am

“Try thinking about the constitutionality of the bill”

What’s unconstitutional about making someone prove they are eligible for something?

the truth

April 19th, 2011
11:07 am

Keep Up The Good Fight

Wrong on both accounts. Most states do not accept COLB as valid identification. Hawaii didnt either until 3 years ago coincidentally enough.

And the Hawaiian Office of the Registrar never verified the leaked COLB.

Shawny

April 19th, 2011
11:09 am

It wasn’t an anti-immigrant bill, it was an anti-illegal immigrant bill. There is a huge difference.

just curious

April 19th, 2011
11:10 am

Good morning Debbie. I know most on here respect you for your superior wisdom and honesty so your help would be just as appreciated. Can you assist me on my paper? Thanks

0311/0317 -1811/1801

April 19th, 2011
11:12 am

“RALEIGH, N.C. — The woman who falsely accused three Duke lacrosse players of raping her was charged Monday with murder in the death of her boyfriend.”

O.K. ……………… Tucker, Sharpton, Jackson, Duke University professors and professorettes ……….. what time is the news conference today to defend this poor woman?

P.S. You know it shouldn’t really be referred to as “birther” anything. We know he was born.

It should be called, “why hasn’t he releasesed his long-form certificate” issue.

arnold

April 19th, 2011
11:19 am

Well, Trump has said he will release his financials when Obama releases his birth certificate. There is no law requiring Obama to release his birth certificate. However, there is a requirement to run for President concerning financial statements. I’m sure we’ll get some squeaky wheel noise from birthers again.

DebbieDoRight

April 19th, 2011
11:25 am

Pdawg: What’s unconstitutional about making someone prove they are eligible for something?

States can not dictate to or infringe upon the federal government. Remember the Civil War?

truth: Wrong on both accounts. Most states do not accept COLB as valid identification. Hawaii didnt either until 3 years ago coincidentally enough.

Please, oh please, can you give me a reference to look up this claim? Thanks in advance.

Numbers: It should be called, “why hasn’t he releasesed his long-form certificate” issue

Probably so that all the birthers can come out of the woodwork — it is always better to know who your enemies are.

market: Only reason the Neo-Comms waste so much trashing and slandering “the birthers” is because of all the overwhelming evidence pointing to his birth in Kenya.

I hope and pray that you are past the age to bring offspring in the world………

King

April 19th, 2011
11:27 am

@just curious.

Atlanta. thanks for playing.

hahaha!!!!!

April 19th, 2011
11:37 am

Thank goodness for Cynithia!!! One doesnt have to go very far to peak inside the mind of an evil, dishonest, racist, anti-American kook!!!

Gabe

April 19th, 2011
11:39 am

Peadawg, there’s already a Federal Law that has been on the books for well over 200 years regarding this issue…Or did you miss the lesson that taught us that Hawai’i is the 50th STATE?

....

April 19th, 2011
11:39 am

According to the Maddow show last night, AZ has not offered the long form since 1997. So if that is true, per their law no baby born in AZ after 97 can run for prez in AZ

Not again....

April 19th, 2011
11:40 am

C. Tucker: Every couple of months it’s another post about illegal immigration. Please move on; nothing has changed – it’s still illegal… Interesting though, you feel it necessary to attack Brewer as “stupid”, given your marginal understanding of the situation in AZ or Federal law enforcement.

just curious

April 19th, 2011
11:41 am

Atlanta has continued to prosper? Please man, I need serious answers here. Atlanta has some of the worst crime and schools in the nation. Never mind its horrible economy.

SFoley

April 19th, 2011
11:42 am

Sorry to see that nut-job racists race to post venom on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. It would be nice to see thoughtful, intelligent comments on a newspaper comment board for once. Too, bad the paper doesn’t moderate these forums to keep them on-topic and the gripers off.

the truth

April 19th, 2011
11:44 am

Debbie –

I am not the one posting “a claim.” Why dont you post evidence supporting his lie?

You are essentially asking me to post something that has yet to happen.

Silly little girl.

Ramguy

April 19th, 2011
11:51 am

To the birthers: When 10 men tell you that you’re drunk you had better lay down. Or even better when Bill O’Reilly tells you that you’re drunk you had better lay down.

dk

April 19th, 2011
12:04 pm

Does this mean when I apply for a new job, I no longer have to complete a w-9 form? I can just tell the employer who I am and that i am qualified as a citizen to take the job? I am not a birther, but I after all these years, I do not know what the big deal is to show the form and end the speculation. Seems like the President wants to keep the issue alive so a fraction of society can continue to obsesse over it instead of the other policies taking place

Thulsa Doom

April 19th, 2011
12:07 pm

She’s tired of having Arizona made a laughingstock and the subject of tourism boycotts, as it has been for having passed a harsh anti-immigrant bill that smacks of apartheid.-CT

I see that Cynthia is still long on hyperbole and rhetoric and short on facts yet again. The fact of the matter is that the Arizona law is not even as tough as current federal law. They just got tired of the feds refusing to protect the border so they made their own state law modeled after the federal immigration law.

Apartheid- what a laughable comment. If that’s the case then the whole federal govt must have an official apartheid policy. You knew it was only a matter of time before Cynthia pulled the race card.

Speaking of playing the race card I wonder when we are going to see an editorial from Cynthia castigating Jesse Jackson and others for supporting that BS story from the Duke lacrosse accuser. Seems she’s in the pokey today for attempted murder but her credibility was lost long before she stabbed her boyfriend last week.

enoughAlready

April 19th, 2011
12:10 pm

Arizona does not write nor manage the nation’s immigration laws. The USA does that – and the State Department enforces it. The Arizona law was just politics-for-dummies grandstanding – typical GOP ranting from the sidelines. The law was written intentionally to be unconstitutional so whenever serious lawmakers challenged it they could be labelled as “defending illegal immigrants” Again – it’s about protecting the integrity of the constitution – not about immigration.
BTW Arizona: there already WERE laws against narcotics trafficking and immigrating without due process – that’s why it’s called “illegal immigration” and “illegal drugs.”
I like how they say “Obama isn’t safeguarding the borders – illegals are just walking across the border everyday. So we’ll arrest them and send them back.” Is anyone in Arizona intelligent enough to ask the question: “well what’s stopping them from just walking right back over here once we send them back? You just said the border isn’t secure?” Apparently not.
It was political grandstanding. Imagine New York back in 2005 saying “Bush isn’t fighting the War on Terror to win it – it’s just one big payoff to Big Defense (the truth). So we’re going to raise our own army and go over there and win this war. And the US military is going to divert all the satellites and drones to covering our troops that we ask for.” Then when Bush rightfully tells them to get lost they launch an ad campaign selling “Bush is aiding the terrorists!” Fortunately liberals are not that stupid. It would be really really nice if conservatives were too.

TnGelding

April 19th, 2011
12:17 pm

Well, our candidates do need to be vetted better.

you cant make this up!!!!!

April 19th, 2011
12:18 pm

Geee Cynithia, why no mention of the latest “peace loving” liberal kook to join the “Global Warming” myth? None other than Charles Manson!!!

Bin Laden, Manson, Tucker and Odumba all sitting in a tree together!!! How cute!!

Evilness knows no bounds!!!

Thulsa Doom

April 19th, 2011
12:23 pm

enoughAlready,

Um. No. Arizona simply got tired of the fed’l govt not doing its job of protecting the border so they took it upon themselves to protect their own border. Why is that so difficult for libs to understand without trotting out your worn out race card?

Charlie Manson

April 19th, 2011
12:23 pm

Thank you Mrs. Tucker for carrying my torch on my behalf. You are a true disciple.

tyler

April 19th, 2011
12:30 pm

ct,

Until you provide proof that you are personally supporting and housing an illegal family you cannot continue to post lies supporting thier criminal activities.

jconservative

April 19th, 2011
12:33 pm

As usual the answer is in the US Constitution. And this is the reason Brewer vetoed the bill.

“Article IV
Section 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.”

This means that regardless of any legislation Arizona, or Georgia for that matter, may pass, the fact that the State of Hawaii has Certified the Obama birth certificate means that all other 49 states must accept it.

End of discussion.

Oh, and the Supreme Court has refused to hear the case 5 times. Reason: no basis in law.

And for you John McCain wasn’t born in the US folks, the Court refused to hear that case also. Same reason, no basis in law.

Regardless of what Jimmy the Cricket said, wishing upon a star does not make dreams come true.

BeeJay

April 19th, 2011
12:34 pm

Governor Brewer made a wise decision. And all you can do is still slam her. “Too dumb even for Brewer.” About as passive-aggressive as you can get. I continue amazed that the AJC, even the AJC, continues to print your racist, clueless, one-sided, ugly diatribes.

GA Buddy

April 19th, 2011
12:38 pm

“having passed a harsh anti-immigrant bill that smacks of apartheid”

I guess the whole “adult conversation” thing is over. Should have worked in starving old people to death and killing puppies, that would have made it better.

quod erat demonstrandum

April 19th, 2011
12:40 pm

Before a candidate can run for office, the party must file a certification with each state certifying the candidate meets all Constitutional requirements.

If the Democrat party falsified those documents then there could be massive law suits and even criminal penalties.

Therefore, the President has spent millions keeping his birth certificate, his passport records, his college records and others documentation hidden.

You’re right, there is no reason to ask for the same investigation that John McCain had to endure.

scrappy

April 19th, 2011
12:41 pm

“Article IV
Section 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.”

I hate to post off topic, but I have been curious about this for awhile, and would appreciate if someone had an intelligent answer:
Why does this not apply to gay marriage? Is this not a public record? I was married in GA, and it is recognized in every other state, but a gay couple married in Vermont is not recognized in Texas. How is this possible?

Grasshopper

April 19th, 2011
12:42 pm

Hey Tucker, does this mean that we can disband the DMV? I mean if Obama doesn’t need proof of citizenship to be the campaigner-in-chief can’t the cops just take my word that I have a license?

lying libs

April 19th, 2011
12:42 pm

So Obama only paid his taxes back at the 27% mark instead of 35%? Hmmm……..is there a single libtard that practices what they preach???

enoughAlready

April 19th, 2011
12:44 pm

you can’t make…

It’s Evil – not Evilness.

Global Warming is a fact. The planet is getting warmer. There is zero controversy surrounding that point. The controversy surrounds the cause of this warming – is it man-made or natural. The planet has warmed up on its own many times before. You can learn about these periods of time – do a search for “mass extinction.”

The largest mass extinction in the history of planet Earth occurred when volcanoes (we do not really know the cause) raised CO2 levels and caused the planet to warm up by about 10 degrees over a period of 80,000 years – which wiped out almost all life on the planet. That’s the rate at which the planet typically warms up on its own.

Earth has warmed up over a degree in the last 50 years. That’s mega-ultra fast. Do you know the exact impact this will have on the planet? Do you? I don’t. Nobody does. That’s what scares people.

The liberals are using this issue to push taxes on corporations. They’re playing games with all kinds of ways to reduce our “carbon footprint.” It’s just politics.

The truth is: I produce way LESS greenhouse gases that a human did 200 years ago – say George Washington. How did he cook? Using a wood stove? How did he stay warm? Chop down trees and burn them in a fireplace? The technology we have has greatly reduced the carbon footprint we produce per person. So what has changed? Human population! That’s the real culprit. It doesn’t matter how many MPG your car gets. The problem is that 7 billion human beings are too much for this planet.

The environment is a perfect example of how both parties play games with the truth and never allow the real truth to be spoken. The oil industry wants us to ignore the problem. The libs want us to fix it. The problem is: there is no “fix.” (unless 6 billion people vanish)

I’ll admit though – driving down the interstate everyday I see that half the vehicles on the road are SUVs with ONE person in the vehicle. I do not believe government has the right to tell me what to drive – but there has to be a better way for people to get around. Admit it – the USA uses as much fuel as we possibly can (by design). Europe has all kinds of high-speed rail and public transportation – and communities built together so that you walk to many places like the grocery store etc. Not only do they consume much less oil than we do – they’re not so overweight.

Anita

April 19th, 2011
12:47 pm

The birthers are not standing on thin ice. Thay know that there’s a big element of doubt as to where Obama was born. Tha fact that he spent millions for it not to be released is already a reason. Jan Brewer, that bill you vetoed is not a stupid bill. It is in the Constitution that persons running for president of the US MUST be a natural born citizen. That bill could have setlled Obama’s cloud of doubt once and for all. We all thought you were wise. Now we just look at you as an old yacketty hag.

Buster Collins

April 19th, 2011
12:47 pm

There one issue regarding Hawaii few want to visit. In he Fall of 1959 Hawaii officially becomes a state. But because of the contingent of native Hawaiian’s born without official records, an amnesty, and “grand-childing in” if you will, occurred. There was a window between late 1959 and through 1961 where residents could petition the newly formed state government for a “Certificate of Live Birth.” This was done to insure children born in outlying areas would be counted as American citizens. Undoubtedly this open door policy was abused, as no proof was needed.

Now, could have Obama been born outside the US and “gotten in” through this clause? Absolutely. Did it happen? Can’t say. But if I was his mother and he was born in Africa or elsewhere I’d want him to be a US citizen. Wouldn’t you?

quod erat demonstrandum

April 19th, 2011
12:50 pm

scrappy,

Look up the Defense of Marriage Act – from Wikipedia’

Under the law, also known as DOMA, no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) may be required to recognize as a marriage a same-sex relationship considered a marriage in another state. The law passed both houses of Congress by large majorities.

So it would appear the Democrats fully supported this also.

thisisit

April 19th, 2011
12:52 pm

This year, my employer made us verify the eligibilty of our dependents on our insurance policies. To confirm, we had to submit a copy of our marriage certificate or the first page of our US Tax return for our spouse, and birth certificates for our children. According to our HR Department, many people did not submit the required information and their so called dependents were dropped from the insurance programs.

scrappy

April 19th, 2011
12:55 pm

So if DOMA were repealled, all states would have to recognize the gay marriage from another state?

quod erat demonstrandum

April 19th, 2011
12:55 pm

Buster Collins,

One of the core issues is his dual citizenship, his father was a Kenyan and therefore had British citizenship.

Also, when he lived in Indonesia, the school records listed him as a Citizen of Indonesia. This raises a question. It might have been a dodge to get him into the schools, no one knows for sure.

The dual citizenship issue is what need to be heard before the Supreme court. Can a person with dual citizenship be President.

From Article II, Sec 1, we have

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The interpretation of that is the question.

quod erat demonstrandum

April 19th, 2011
12:56 pm

scrappy,

Depends on how Congress enacts the repeal and its wording.

Bubbie

April 19th, 2011
12:57 pm

you cant make this up!!!!!
April 19th, 2011
12:18 pm
Geee Cynithia, why no mention of the latest “peace loving” liberal kook to join the “Global Warming” myth? None other than Charles Manson!!!

It says a lot that a mentally deranged killer can understand a concept, that most GOP’ers cannot.