Abortion is black genocide? Nonsense, of course

WASHINGTON — Johnny Hunter, a black preacher who opposes abortion rights, came here last week to join a protest against federal funds for Planned Parenthood. He stood behind a sign that read: “Planned Parenthood has killed more African-Americans than the KKK.”

Hunter is among Roe v. Wade’s diehard opponents, single-minded activists for whom nothing is more important than repealing a woman’s right to choose. While other voters worry about jobs, health insurance and college loans, Hunter and like-minded reactionaries focus on reproductive rights.

They have support in Congress, too. Last week’s budget negotiations were prolonged by a cadre of Republicans who tried to wipe out all federal funding for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, which they wrongly claim is mostly in the business of providing abortions.

They lost that battle, but they never give up. (They won restrictions on abortions in Washington, D.C.) Tireless opponents of reproductive rights are already planning their next assault.

The use of race as a wedge is the latest tactic for those reactionaries, who see an opportunity to cultivate support among black Americans, especially church-goers with a conservative streak on social issues. While anti-abortionists have long derided Margaret Sanger, considered the mother of modern family planning, for her support of eugenics, their campaign to portray Planned Parenthood as a hotbed of bigots is a more recent development. Hunter, an enthusiastic purveyor of wrongheaded conspiracy theories (he says President Obama is “an Arab”), insisted that famed family planning advocate Margaret Sanger started her birth control campaign in order “to wipe out the black race.”

Hunter and his followers have hoisted their flag on a data point they believe points to their hidden truth: the abortion rate for black American women is almost five times that for white women, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a non-profit that advocates for reproductive health.  About 37 percent of abortions are obtained by black women, although they account for less than seven percent of the population.

A conspiracy? Genocide? A secret plan hiding in plain sight?

Hardly. The higher abortion rate among black women is a logical — if desperate — answer to an unplanned pregnancy and meager resources. Since black women tend to be poorer than white women, they are less likely to have the benefit of regular health care and the contraceptive information and services it confers. Trapped in meager circumstances, many black women who find themselves facing an unplanned pregnancy choose abortion.

Oddly, the most vociferous critics of Planned Parenthood are also the least likely to support plans and proposals that might actually lower the abortion rate — among black women as well as among white and brown women. Take contraceptive use, which (you might be surprised to know) Planned Parenthood vigorously supports. Contraception accounts for about 35 percent of its services; abortion only about three percent.

If birth control pills and devices were cheaper and more widely available, more women would use them. Unplanned pregnancies would drop. The abortion rate would decline. But conservatives like Hunter have no use for family planning, period.

And what if more poor black women chose not to terminate their pregnancies? What if more desperate women without health insurance or decent housing or reliable employment decided to rely on the tender mercies of the social safety net for their newborns? Would they find conservatives in Congress rushing to shore up funding for housing assistance, food subsidies and health care for the indigent?

Well, this is where things get really strange: the more vociferous a critic of reproductive rights, the less likely the politician is to support Head Start or Medicaid or WIC, which provides milk and other nutritional assistance to poor pregnant women. They love those fetuses in utero. After that, not so much.

It’s a strange love, to say the least.

216 comments Add your comment

willie lynch

April 13th, 2011
12:57 pm

“It’s a strange love, to say the least.”

But very consistent with madness.

Jethro

April 13th, 2011
1:02 pm

Why do men think they have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies? Why do they think they have the right to use the police power of state to enforce their morality? They are no different than jihadists.

Guy Incognito

April 13th, 2011
1:05 pm

“It’s a strange love, to say the least.”

Just like libs’ love of free speech………as long as all the speech conforms to their views

Kamchak

April 13th, 2011
1:06 pm

Last week’s budget negotiations were prolonged by a cadre of Republicans who tried to wipe out all federal funding for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, which they wrongly claim is mostly in the business of providing abortions.

But…but…but…Jon Kyle said that more than 90 percent of Planned Parenthood’s business is providing abortions.

Of course is office later claimed his remarks were not meant as a “factual statement.”

Hootinanny Yum Yum

April 13th, 2011
1:06 pm

I am a proponent of abortion rights.

If a woman wants to terminate a pregnancy, go for it.

If that same woman is on government support of any kind, has children she cannot afford to feed, or has children from multiple partners; she should also have her tubes tied.

End of story.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

April 13th, 2011
1:09 pm

Jethro writes: “Why do men think they have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies? Why do they think they have the right to use the police power of state to enforce their morality? They are no different than jihadists.”

Well. Maybe for the same reasons that some think they have the right to use the police power of state to enforce the redistribution of wealth.

Peadawg

April 13th, 2011
1:09 pm

Jethro, what do you say to women who are against murder (or abortion for the pc crowd)?

Jack

April 13th, 2011
1:12 pm

Unplanned pregnacies can easily be avoided. No need to mention the obvious here.

Lake Burton

April 13th, 2011
1:22 pm

Let them keep getting abortions. The more abortions they get, the fewer of them we have to take care of the rest of their lives.

guy

April 13th, 2011
1:22 pm

You can never change the mindset of uneducated people.They will not use birth control,etc.,especially as long as the government keeps them up on welfare and food stamps.It’s a terrible cycle that will only get worse and it’s not just black women I’m referring to.
It’s sad where this country has been heading the last 45 years and is now steamrolling to self destruction.
It’s called “The Great Society”!!!!

Jethro

April 13th, 2011
1:23 pm

I say that those women have the right to do with their bodies as they will. I think that if the police power of the state denies a woman the right to control her reproductive organs, that same power ought to be used to provide mandatory vasectomies on men who impregnate women out of wedlock.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
1:24 pm

At least the anti-abortionists would make slightly more sense if their agenda included the birth control and care for the children who were born but then again, its not really about caring for the reality behind the statistic, its all about using the statistic of higher abortion rate for black women as a faux reason for their overall agenda.

And Pea, murder is a legal definition. Abortion is legal, not murder. But then again you aren’t really discussing a faux-PC concern, your trying to make a false association. And coming in 3 … 2… 1….”Who me?”

carlosgvv

April 13th, 2011
1:30 pm

Anti-abortion groups are determined to reverse Roe vs Wade at all costs. When asked why, they usually site Christian religious convictions. When it is pointed out to them that the New Testament does NOT even mention abortion, they say “thou shall not kill”. When then asked about police killing in the line of duty, soldiers killing in war and the death penality they go into spasms of mental gymnastics that make sense only to them. They cannot be reasoned with, so don’t bother.

Blue

April 13th, 2011
1:30 pm

“less likely to have the benefit of regular health care and the contraceptive information and services it confers.” Do you really, really believe the tripe you write? EVERY poor person I know knows about contraceptive and about ALL of them could choose a condom (I know…not fool proof). Typical left wing play book. HEY…by the way…when are you going to pull out the race card on the article today in AJC about prison recitavism? And about how black men commit WAY more crimes than what their % of the population is…but somehow, it will be whitey’s fault?

Good Grief

April 13th, 2011
1:31 pm

You’ll never stop abortions. Even if you remove any hint of federal or state funding for them, the practice will go underground and become less safe than it already is. One avenue of thought on this topic is the double standard that exists. If a woman wants to get an abortion, a lot of people are okay with that. Her body, her choice. If, whhile on her way to the abortion clinic, a drunk driver were to run over said woman and kill her, the drunk driver could potentially be charged with two counts of vehicular manslaughter or worse. It’s seemingly okay for one person to kill the child, but not for another. That’s been my gripe with the abortion debate for a long time.

Blue

April 13th, 2011
1:31 pm

“reproductive rights” to you is “right to live” to others. But how dare anyone have a different opinion than you.

Blue

April 13th, 2011
1:33 pm

Kamchak; don’t confuse her with facts. Good grief; the issue here is not stopping abortion but not having federal money to pay for it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
1:38 pm

Really Blue? Just how much federal money is used to pay for abortions currently? Please provide a link. Thanks.

Blue

April 13th, 2011
1:38 pm

Jethro

April 13th, 2011
1:23 pm
I say that those women have the right to do with their bodies as they will. I think that if the police power of the state denies a woman the right to control her reproductive organs, that same power ought to be used to provide mandatory vasectomies on men who impregnate women out of wedlock.

Try to stay with me; they are NOT denying what she chooses to do with her reproductive organs; this is about taxpayer money being used to terminate pregnancies. Understand the difference? It’s that old “liberal bugaboo”; taking responsibilities for your personal choices. You choose to not use birth control or abstain, then YOU pay for your ‘choice’, not rely on everyone else’s money. CT’s argument is tired; “they don’t knows no better cuz dey poor; den dey don’t have no moneys to do it theyselves…so they need the guhmint to do it”.

TBone

April 13th, 2011
1:38 pm

We’ve spanned the social horizons by taking this destructive behavior from a racial to cultural and socioeconomic concern. I think the good pastor is the only consistent one here. You can make arguments all day long about the number of abortions in any population; but the bottom line is that any abortion is wrong. Justify it as you might but it is still wrong.

Blue

April 13th, 2011
1:40 pm

Keep; I made NO reference to what is being done CURRENTLY as far as government funds, so no…I will NOT provide you a link for something I did not reference and is not ‘on point’. Her article is about “protest against federal funds for Planned Parenthood”. I’m talking about that…but nice try on the ‘deflecting’.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
1:41 pm

Blue: CT’s argument is tired; “they don’t knows no better cuz dey poor; den dey don’t have no moneys to do it theyselves…so they need the guhmint to do it

I’ve heard Ms Tucker speak and that is not her. So just what are you suggesting with your dialect selection?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
1:42 pm

Blue: the issue here is not stopping abortion but not having federal money to pay for it

Blue: Keep; I made NO reference to what is being done CURRENTLY as far as government funds

So which is the lie you’ve told?

iRun

April 13th, 2011
1:43 pm

Jon Kyl has a vanishing twin.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

Gm

April 13th, 2011
1:44 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!: Typical idiot hick remark from Georgia: Compare her talking to air head Sara Palin”"”

Madison

April 13th, 2011
1:48 pm

This article should be about people learning to be responsible not about the cost or lack of education around birth control …..please…..why make this a class or color of the skin issue. If you don’t want to become pregnant ….than take the necessary steps to avoid this as being an option…..lack of education isn’t an excuse….and either way as a taxpayer I shouldn’t be responsible for paying for your excuses.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
1:51 pm

The real reason THOSE PEOPLE are (1) against abortion, (2) against family planning that doesn’t include abortion, (3) and against providing for the welfare of poor children is because they want to create a permanent underclass in our society to use as a tool to gain power for themselves. How? Just look around you at the current debates. Besides this underclass, who loses the MOST? The middle class. They distract us with these little arguments of morality and exercises in fear posturing while stealing our tax dollars.

Privatize the profits. Publicize the risk. And make sure the middle class never notices.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
1:52 pm

carlosgvv:

“Thou shalt not kill” means, literally and in context, “do not commit murder.” It was translated “kill”, but the Hebrew word, ratsach, means “murder” and specifically “premeditated murder.” The same is true of phoneuō, the Greek word used in the New Testament. As a matter of fact, the newer translations do have “do not murder” as opposed to the old “thou shalt not kill.” Now while the context was obvious in the Old Testament and the newer renderings were never necessary to begin with, the new translations do widely exist and can easily be used to correct persons such as yourself. So, a policeman in the line of duty does not commit murder, and (while I do generally have anti-war tendencies) neither does a soldier on a battlefield.

And to think that folks like you accuse Christians of being poorly educated and ill informed. You don’t even need a Theology 101 course or cursory knowledge of Greek or Hebrew, but rather access to a newer Bible translation. Did you bother to get one before spouting your untruths? Of course not. Typical arrogant liberal who doesn’t know nearly as much as he presumes himself to …

iRun

April 13th, 2011
1:53 pm

Madison, it’s not lack of education but lack of dollars. Many poor women cannot afford birth control.

And sure, you may argue condoms but many poor women aren’t in a position to negotiate the terms of sex with their partners, due to economic disadvantage and/or violence. This isn’t often talked about but it’s pretty common in poor women.

David

April 13th, 2011
2:00 pm

“Well, this is where things get really strange: the more vociferous a critic of reproductive rights, the less likely the politician is to support Head Start or Medicaid or WIC, which provides milk and other nutritional assistance to poor pregnant women. They love those fetuses in utero. After that, not so much.” In other words, these social ultraconservatives are saying, “We’ll get you here, kid, but after that you’re on your own.”

DawgDad

April 13th, 2011
2:00 pm

Cynthia, you attack opponents of Federal spending on abortion as having a “strange kind of love” for the unborn. But YOU yourself have no love. YOU want to ensure the Fed takes (by force) MY money to pay for SOMEONE ELSE’s abortion. YOU are advocating using the Fed to impose your sick religious belief system onto the backs of honest taxpayers, many of whom consider abortion to be murder.

You are not standing on a street corner honestly urging people to contribute; you are advocating confiscation of our resources for an immoral purpose. Shame on you.

Julie R Camp

April 13th, 2011
2:01 pm

Here’s a novel idea. Take birthcontrol and use a condom. Thus you avoid pregnancy and STD’s. WOW! Women’s health should be first and foremost with the woman herself!!!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
2:01 pm

The LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon…. And there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead. — Exodus 12:29-30

Smoting is ok, but not abortion? But then typical arrogant Christian who doesn’t know nearly as much as he presumes himself to…..

Julie R Camp

April 13th, 2011
2:02 pm

Or, if you’re poor, keep you legs closed……that’s a great idea.

JB

April 13th, 2011
2:02 pm

If you knew God….You wouldn’t have to ask or write this. Accept the will and laws of this world made by man and ignore God and accept your fate. God would never allow this. Never. Hire your best lawyer to argue with God. You lose. It’s wrong.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:02 pm

BTW – federal funds are not used by Planned Parenthood for abortion services. ZERO.

So, now…what IS your argument???

Julie R Camp

April 13th, 2011
2:03 pm

God gives and only God can take away.

jocko

April 13th, 2011
2:03 pm

Why not use a more civilized way to defend your support of Planned Parenthood (PPA). I agree that abortion is only 3% of the total menu of services that PPA provides. But…what percentage of the money they receive from Uncle Sam do they spend performing this “service”? The cost of performing abortions far exceeds that which is spent on adoption, education, cancer screening (pap smears and breast exams), and STD treatment. Abortions are dangerous and very expensive.
Reid, Pelosi and Obama have all said that it is illegal to use Federal Funds for abortion.
So, let’s have an audit done of PPA finances. Then break off what is for women’s health and use Federal Funds to assist in those programs. A privately funded charity could then provide funds need to help those who couldn’t afford and abortion on their own. Abortion is legal but most voters oppose using Federal Funds to provide for it and yes, it will always be legal here.
One last item, in 2008 PPA performed 375,000 abortions and only 2400+ adoptions, in 2009 PPA performed 330,000+ abortions and didn’t list how many adoptions were finalized for that year. 705.000 abortions performed in just 2 years and 37% (you mentioned that in your article) of those were done on women of color? Come on Cynthia!!!

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:04 pm

One last time…Planned Parenthood does not use ANY tax dollars to provide abortion services. None. Nada. Zero.

Litt

April 13th, 2011
2:05 pm

Cynthia again perpetuates the myth of the outrageous cost of contraceptives.

The cost of a 90 day supply of ortho-tricyclen at Walmart is $10.00 or for the mathematically challenged liberals among us, approximately $3.33 per month.

That’s less per month than the cost of – a pack of smokes or a Big Mac meal or a bag of Doritos.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:06 pm

Incidentally, thanks to abortion rates in the black community, the black population growth has been basically stagnant for the last two decades. The reason for this isn’t poverty, because all demographers know that poverty and education generally increases child bearing rates – women who are poor and less educated have more children – while child bearing rates go down with increased wealth and education. Look at the last two census results. Where the black percentage of the population had steadily increased until it reached a high of over 13%, nearly 13.5%, in the 1990 census, it was at a standstill in the 2000 census, and in the 2010 census it dropped and is now well under 13%, at 12.7%. This results in less black political clout and fewer blacks holding office, which USED to be a major concern of the black leadership. Now, blacks aren’t even the #1 minority, Hispanics are. And guess what: HISPANIC WOMEN GET FAR FEWER ABORTIONS DESPITE MANY OF THEM BEING POORER THAN BLACK WOMEN!

Now the decline of the black population – and political clout with it – has long been known to black leaders and intellectuals. But instead of attributing it to abortion and in the process running afoul of white feminists (who hold the real power in the Democratic Party and on the left, and if any of you remember the PUMA movement a few years back, many of them don’t think much of blacks, especially the males!) the black leadership came up with the “blacks are being undercounted” nonsense and sham policies like “sampling.” There was never this problem with “undercounts” or a need for “sampling” before abortion became popular in the black community, so why now?

Oh yeah. Ms. Tucker is ignoring the FACT that abortion clinics JUST HAPPEN TO BE disproportionately located in or near black neighborhoods. Gee, wonder why that is? Just going where there is a demand? And nothing wrong with that; it’s the free market? Wow, well it looks like when it comes to abortion, Cynthia Tucker morphs from being an economic progressive to a free market supply side capitalist libertarian! So, have you sent your campaign donation to Rand Paul yet, Ms. Tucker? (Then again, as Paul is pro-life, I guess you haven’t).

Jesse Jackson was once pro-life, and attributed abortion to racism. Jackson in the 1970s predicted that abortion on demand would result in precisely this: black women heavily disproportionately receiving abortions. Jackson only switched sides when he left his radical roots and joined the Democratic Party; when he chose his own political career over the interests of the black race. (And to think that Clarence Thomas is considered to be a sell-out?) The other black leaders followed him, and ironically, opening the door of the black community to abortion is reducing the black population and their own political clout with it!

So, enjoy the Obama administration fellas! (By the way, did you know that the only actual work that Obama did as editor of the Harvard Law Review was to write a piece in support of abortion on the demand? Curious!) Because due to the declining black political clout that as a result of the declining black population, he is going to be the last! And if these abortion rates in the black community continue, Atlanta will soon have a white mayor just like Baltimore does. Thanks to abortion on demand, Atlanta will be a “chocolate city” no more! Doesn’t it make you proud! Only if you are a KKK segger …

jocko

April 13th, 2011
2:06 pm

IRun,
That’s not true and you know it. Prove it.

El Jefe

April 13th, 2011
2:06 pm

Frankly, I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg

JB

April 13th, 2011
2:07 pm

It’s wrong not because of the leg spreader’s choice, it’s wrong because the little one in the womb with a heartbeat HAS NO SAY IN THE MATTER ! It’s murder. Killing a helpless human is murder.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:10 pm

The abortion services provided by Planned Parenthood, you know, that make up more than 90% of their services (ref: Kyl), are SELF-SUPPORTED. They are not paid for using tax dollars.

I can’t provide a link because they don’t allow them but Google “putnam county right to life Abortion Becomes Flashpoint in Shutdown Battle” to get a Right to Life website that mentions this FACT about tax dollars and PPA.

J coner

April 13th, 2011
2:10 pm

“If birth control pills and devices were cheaper and more widely available, more women would use them. Unplanned pregnancies would drop.”

Uh huh…sure they would. I’m sure all these po little girls are saying “if only birth control pills and devices were cheaper I’d use them.” Of course what CT meant by cheaper is “free”

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:11 pm

jocko – which thing I said is not true. I addressed at least 3 different points.

J coner

April 13th, 2011
2:11 pm

IRun….If Planned Parenthood doesn’t use tax funds for abortions, then what is Washington DC so concerned about?

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:12 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!:

So, your argument is that God does not have – or should not have – prerogatives that man cannot enjoy? Excuse me, but what is the basis of this argument? That God is a man, with the same power and knowledge of a man, and should act accordingly? Of course, if you are an atheist, the whole exercise is academic anyway. But from the perspective of a person who believes the Bible – or at least takes it seriously – is hogwash. The Bible takes the perspective, the presumption if you will, that God has the right to kill – because He is God – and also has the right to tell man that it is wrong to commit murder – because being God, He owns and rules mankind unconditionally. Again, even if you are an atheist, you would have to concede that SUCH IS THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE BIBLE. So, any arguments that “thou shalt not kill” with respect to abortion is hypocritical or inconsistent based on it is foolishness.

My goodness, is this what liberal scholarship is producing these days? Leon Trotsky would be so ashamed of your ilk …

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:13 pm

The leg spreader? OK, since the hole poker can’t also be the bun cooker then I guess it’s the leg spreader’s rights that matter.

Or, do you just mean “Women who have sex are dirty”?

JB

April 13th, 2011
2:13 pm

I guess in a democratic pro choice persons mind a $5000 abortion is cheaper than a life long human stuck in federal entitlements.

Julie R Camp

April 13th, 2011
2:13 pm

I get so sick of hearing how the poor can’t do this or that. WE have programs to cover every need for the poor INCLUDING FREE CONDOMS. Each county in the state of GA and other states in this country have local health offices that do the very same things that planned parenthood do. If you do not take care of your sexual health, THERE IS NO EXCUSE!

J coner

April 13th, 2011
2:15 pm

As a conservative, I support a womans right to freely choose not to have un-protected sex. That is pro-choice. But I expect them to also pay the consequences of choosing poorly. Terminating a life simply because it is inconvenient for you is the lowest form of selfishness.

godless heathen

April 13th, 2011
2:17 pm

Religion, abortion, and race all in one thread. WhoBoy! As a white, atheist, male, I ain’t got a dog in this fight and there is not a thing that can be said to sway anyone’s opinion, anyway.

I do think Ms. Tucker made a good point.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:18 pm

J coner – Read my other post about a permanent underclass and distracting the middle class. I was deliberately being over the top but I do believe they use these wedge issues to distract the middle class so they can have their little power wars. They know they can whip up furor over this issue and gain political points. Afterall, it’s not a whole lot of money to fund PPA. But boy do a whole lot of people in this country put their support dollars behind politicians who pay lip service to being right-to-life or to being pro-reproductive rights.

That’s a big political weapon right there.

But don’t kid yourself. They don’t really care about you and your little morality issues. Other than how they can use them to get to your money.

And if a bunch of poor women no longer have access to basic health services (health screenings, pap smears, breast exams, birth control) it doesn’t bother them. In fact, now we have a whole bunch of non-producers in our society sucking the life out of the producers – another political tool!

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:19 pm

Incidentally, the original feminists, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Staton and their fellow travelers, were pro-life. This fact has been suppressed by the leftist historians, even to the point of Ken Burns’ specifically omitting it from his PBS documentary. So, the original civil rights leaders were pro-life and so were the original feminists. Hmmmm …

JB

April 13th, 2011
2:19 pm

godless heathen…………….We ain’t got a dog in the fight in Libya, but we are bombing them.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:19 pm

Martin Luther King, Sr.? Pro-life 100%

JB

April 13th, 2011
2:21 pm

Gerald, like the Bible, they pick and choose what they like about Dr. King. CT would get a tongue lashing from him if were alive.

El Jefe

April 13th, 2011
2:22 pm

It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them. Herein lies the key of civilization. For upon the foundation of an enlightened and voluntary motherhood shall a future civilization emerge.

Margaret Sanger

J coner

April 13th, 2011
2:25 pm

Nice try iRun, but health screenings, pap smears, breast exams, and birth control are all offered by Medicaid. Defunding PPA doesn’t prohibit access to any of those services. If anything it is a duplication of effort.

The pro PPA movement is fully aware of what their primary purpose is; as is everyone else.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:25 pm

godless heathen:

Oh please. Race liberals like Cynthia Tucker are crying “disparate impact against minorities!” at the drop of a hat. Remember Bush vs. Gore? Voter ID requirements? Mandatory minimum sentencing and the war on drugs? Or what about “culturally biased’ standardized tests? These folks apply “disparate impact” to everything BUT abortion. If it were any other policy that reduced the black population and along with it black political power BUT abortion, Cynthia Tucker would be all over it, claiming that it was a white racist plot to keep black people like her down. Or actually black women like her, as Tucker, being a feminist, could care less about black males (unless they are criminals who belong in jail … those she will back until the cows come home).

Only a liberal would be able to support letting GUILTY blacks out of jail so that they can victimize other blacks (see the black on black crime rates) while supporting the murder of innocent black children in the womb. By being pro-criminal and pro-abortion, the black leadership is declaring war on innocent blacks. Such is liberalism. Again, Trotsky would be so proud. (And so would Stalin. And Lenin. And Mao.)

carlosgvv

April 13th, 2011
2:25 pm

Gerald

If a police officer knowlingly shoots at someone shooting at him, I believe that would qualify as premeditated, as police officers have standing orders to shoot to kill at someone trying to kill them. Soldiers are taught to kill in their training and will obviously kill with premeditation in battle. And the State, of course, is killing with premeditation when they execute someone. So, as I previously stated, people like you when confronted with these facts go into all kinds of mental gymnastics and come up with inane convoluted arguments. Abortion is NOT mentioned by name in the New Testament. It would not hurt for you to read Revelations, chapter 22, verses 18 and 19 to see what happens to people who add to or take away from the Word.

dan

April 13th, 2011
2:29 pm

Personally, I love abortion saved me a couple of grand in child support.

El Jefe

April 13th, 2011
2:30 pm

Sanger notes that her 1916 opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: “To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun.”

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:31 pm

Medicaid? And everyone has access to it??? And Medicaid isn’t a health provider. You do know that, right? Medicaid is a funding mechanism, like insurance. Medicaid doesn’t actually provide health services. In fact, PPA can bill Medicaid.

But not for abortions.

Nice try? I dont’ have to try. The FACT is PPA uses ZERO tax dollars on abortion services. It’s illegal and even the politicians saying they want to defund PPA on abortion grounds have NEVER produced evidence that PPA is breaking the law. Because there is no evidence. If PPA were using tax dollars to fund abortions then it would be an enormous scandal and there would be plenty of proof.

Fact: PPA uses ZERO tax dollars to fund abortions.
Fact: Abortion services provided by PPA are self-funded
Fact: PPA services are by and large basic health services for men and women – either free or low cost.

Tired of BS

April 13th, 2011
2:32 pm

Ms. Tucker, you yourself have used race as a wedge for years. Maybe it’s the fact that some black pastors are saying it’s time for more self control and responsibility if you are going to sleep around. I’m glad to see members of the black community stand up against an oppressive black agenda that only promotes liberal social ideals.

JB

April 13th, 2011
2:32 pm

carlosgvv……………..Most on here would have to Google that verse to read it. That particular book ain’t nowhere in their house.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:32 pm

Carlosgv:

Too proud to admit that you are wrong, aren’t you?

Again, the Hebrew and Greek words translated “kill” in the King James Version mean MURDER in their original languages. What soldiers do is not MURDER and what police officers do CERTAINLY is not murder. Ratsach is only used a few times in the Old Testament, and when it is, the context is always murder. Other Hebrew words are used for other types of killing, such as killing an animal for food, or killing an enemy soldier in battle.

So, not only are you not particularly bright, but you are 100% lacking in principles also. And you need to read what the entire Bible says, from beginning to end, to see what happens to liars like yourself, and proud people like yourself.

Or how about this: next time a police officer pulls you over, call him a murderer. See how that goes for you. I am sure your lefty comrade Cynthia Tucker will pay your bail!

GMan

April 13th, 2011
2:33 pm

About time someone speaks the truth. It has always really aggravated me that those who oppose abortion do so little to PREVENT abortions. Not only that, services for low income mothers, not to mention that they are always opposed to LBGT adoptions. If you didn’t want more abortions in the US, you would increase Planned Parenthood’s funding ten fold!!

bob from account temps

April 13th, 2011
2:35 pm

most conservatives advocate the removal of funding from state and federal agencies for providing abortions. those that claim they should have control of their reproductive rights, should also bear the cost of their choices.

dan

April 13th, 2011
2:35 pm

Too bad Jesus and Mohammed weren’t aborted. Would’ve saved the World a history of violence and pain.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
2:37 pm

Oops, I make a run to the ilk lodge but as long as the bible thumpers are here, lets point out:

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. — Deuteronomy 21:18-21

So when someone argues: The Bible takes the perspective, the presumption if you will, that God has the right to kill – because He is God – and also has the right to tell man that it is wrong to commit murder – because being God, He owns and rules mankind unconditionally. I guess the presumption that God has authorized man to kill too.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:38 pm

Again, I can’t provide links because they disallow them here but…

Studies show that family planning services that emphasize birth control lead to a reduction in abortions. An apple a day keeps the doctor away, so to speak.

Also, family planning reduces the number of children who require welfare services. However, welfare services take up very, very little of our tax dollars.

What does take up most of our tax dollars? Defense. Medicare. Social Security.

ray

April 13th, 2011
2:39 pm

abstinence is 99.9% effective. it is in the bible.

seabeau

April 13th, 2011
2:39 pm

The Liberals Moral Delemma, ” Murder the Innocents(Abortion) and Pardon the Murderers (Anti-capital Punishment”.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:39 pm

GMan:

“It has always really aggravated me that those who oppose abortion do so little to PREVENT abortions”

You mean like promoting abstinence? Hmmm … so you are telling me that it is ABSTINENT women that are getting all these abortions? Wow, didn’t know that. And oh yeah, the disproportionate abortion rate in the black community, the disproportionate AIDS and other STD rate in the black community, and the sky high illegitimacy rate in the same ALL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER, right?

But hey, I guess that if you are abstinent, you will still get pregnant out of wedlock, contract AIDS, and have an abortion anyway just because you are black, right? It is all because of your race and has nothing to do with your behavior, right?

News flash GMan: while I am not a supporter of the religious or political right, were the black community to actually listen to the “family values” types who preach abstinence, then neither abortion, AIDS or illegitimacy would be a problem in the black community. Create public policy to accommodate bad behavior, and all you get is more bad behavior. Didn’t the great society programs prove that, GMan?

TruthBe

April 13th, 2011
2:40 pm

Cynthia Tucker welcome back when did you get out of jail?

Virginia Ann Harris

April 13th, 2011
2:40 pm

Don’t buy the STUPID lies about Margaret Sanger – go behind the scenes in her personal life and discover the sexy, shocking TRUTH in my new novel, What Do Women Want? – available at amazon for kindle and smart phones now.

Thanks Cynthia for a great column!

El Jefe

April 13th, 2011
2:40 pm

While Planned Parenthood may provide needed services, how or why should government funding be provided to a private firm. How would you feel if million or billions were given as a grant or funding to big oil or big pharmaceuticals?

While some may question tax loopholes or tax breaks, these are available to most in the same situation, but Public Broadcast and Planned Parenthood are specifically funded by the federals.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

April 13th, 2011
2:42 pm

@iRun

Planned Parenthood performed 332,278 abortions in the United States in 2009 alone. Although the women who have the abortions are not using federal dollars to pay for the service it is still being performed by Planned Parenthood. What do you not understand??

PLANNED PARENTHOOD DOES PERFORM ABORTIONS, BY THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.

wham

April 13th, 2011
2:43 pm

sex is natural, sex is fun, sex is best when it’s one on one

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:44 pm

“How would you feel if million or billions were given as a grant or funding to big oil or big pharmaceuticals?”

You’re kidding right?

Nearly all private businesses are publicly subsidized in some fashion. Especially these you mention.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
2:46 pm

Woodstock Mike, yes, I do understand that PPA provides abortions, which are legal in America.

Legal.

However, people seeking abortions from PPA must pay it for themselves.

Tax dollars go to PPA to pay for other health services.

What I think you are probably saying is that tax dollars should not be used to provide any aid at all to an organization that provides a controversial yet legal service. Right?

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:47 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!:

Kill? Yes. Murder? No. There is a difference between God ending a life and man ending a life, and with regards to man’s ending a life, there is a difference between a man killing someone and a man murdering someone. Again, even if you do not believe in the Bible, you have to acknowledge that from the perspective of the Bible, this is the case.

God has the unconditional right to end human life because He created humanity and owns it.
God has the unconditional right to declare that some cases where a man takes another man’s life is right (i.e. when the man being killed breaks the law).
God has the unconditional right to declare that some cases where a man takes another man’s life is wrong (i.e. murdering someone to steal their property, or because of some grudge).

One does not have to believe the Bible to acknowledge that the Bible takes this position.

God is not man, and has prerogatives that man does not have. And killing someone, whether in self-defense or executing them for committing a capital crime, is not the same as murder.

These silly arguments of yours may work extremely well in your little atheist club echo chamber, but are utterly useless in other circles. Quit taking your butter knife to a sword fight and put in the work required to come up with a better argument, one that doesn’t pretend as if God is some guy just like you living across the street.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:49 pm

Virginia Ann Harris: They aren’t likes about Margaret Sanger. That evil woman actually received an award from Adolph Hitler, who greatly admired her work. Another thing not taught in history class. Gee, I wonder why? Oh yeah … the teacher’s unions. Got it. Makes perfect sense doesn’t it … the teachers’ unions are 100% pro-abortion and militantly so DESPITE ABORTION HAVING NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH PUBLIC EDUCATION! It is all about ramming their ideology down our throats …

WOODSTOCK MIKE

April 13th, 2011
2:51 pm

@iRUN

I am saying that Planned Parenthood would not be in business without govt funding. I am not debating whether or not abortion should be legal. I am pointing out that Planned Parenthood performs abortions and they are a govt funded institution. Agreed?

dan

April 13th, 2011
2:53 pm

Can you abort a immaculate conception (deception)?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
2:54 pm

Gerald..utter nonsense.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

April 13th, 2011
2:55 pm

Good afternoon all. Hard for me to differentiate eugenics from abortion. Both are a logical end of leftism, that perverse attitude that “some lives are not worth living.” Of course, as it is leftism run amok here, there is also a prevailing attitude that those repulsed by the unworthy leftist goal must also subsidize it. Nothing new here, move along.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
2:56 pm

Woodstock Mike:

Imagine if there was this private country club that did not admit blacks. Imagine if this club applied for federal funding to support charitable activities that had nothing to do with their segregated club. Would the same argument apply? Would the liberals accept a “we accept tax money to fund scholarships and health screenings for poor people, and not a dime of it goes to the country club itself” argument? Of course not. The very idea that a segregated country club is receiving taxpayer money for any purposes would be an outrage, it would be construed as government support of segregation, and the very same pro-murder, excuse me, pro-abortion, excuse me, pro-choice, excuse me, abortion rights supporters, on here would DEMAND that ALL tax money stop flowing to that segregationist institution EVEN if that institution complied with civil rights laws governing the use of said tax money!

Hypocrites as far as the eye can see. Trotsky would be so proud. Lenin, Stalin, and Mao too. Marx not so much though.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
3:00 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!:

Taking your butter knife and going home? Good for you. Next time, don’t take so long to acknowledge that the Bible’s view of God and your own personal morality/ideology are two different things. And that claiming that you personally view the Bible to be immoral and claiming that the Bible’s contents are morally inconsistent with itself are two different things. You are free to disagree with and reject it all you want, but you cannot claim that the Bible does not consistently present the same view of God, man, and their standing with regards to each other.

Janis

April 13th, 2011
3:01 pm

“Well, this is where things get really strange: the more vociferous a critic of reproductive rights, the less likely the politician is to support Head Start or Medicaid or WIC, which provides milk and other nutritional assistance to poor pregnant women. They love those fetuses in utero. After that, not so much.”

Isn’t it ironic? These hypocrites make me sick. Just another way to control women.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
3:02 pm

W Mike,

I thought the discussion was about people who thought Planned Parenthood used tax dollars to pay for abortions, which is incorrect. This whole time I’ve been trying to make people understand that tax dollars are used for basic health services and family planning, including cancer screenings, vasectomies, tubal ligations, pap smears, birth control, STD testing, etc.

However, it feels like you have a “gotcha” point coming. So, I’ll say this. Planned Parenthoods gets about a third of it’s funding from the government. So, if they were defunded it would not mean they would go away. They would likely survive and start increasing the gap in funding by holding membership drives the way NPR/PBS does. And if they were defunded and they received all of their funding through non-tax dollars then I would imagine their provision of abortion services would change.

However, you should note that Planned Parenthood provides a great deal more service in the prevention of unplanned pregnancies. And how is that a bad thing? Reduces the demand for abortions services and welfare services.

Atlanta 1

April 13th, 2011
3:02 pm

I actually agree with Ms. Tucker.

I do believe that it should be a woman’s decision and that woman who do not have the financial resources to explore her options should have places to turn to. And the book on Ms. Sanger appears to be open to interpretation.

Some basic facts:

The study of factors that influence the hereditary qualities of future generations. It may be thought of as both a science and a social movement. Eugenics proposes to improve humanity’s future by increasing the number of children produced by persons who are, by some definition, superior and by reducing the number produced by persons who are physically or mentally deficient. Attempts to encourage larger families from superior parents are called positive eugenics, attempts to reduce the number of children from defective parents negative eugenics.

Eugentics basically looks to improve humanity by weeding out the weak and sick or what someone else deems as inferior.

Ms. Sanger did attend a Clan Rally in New Jersey (that’s right folks the Clan was in New Jersey and a whole lot of other areas besides the South) to speak about Eugenics. In her own autobiography she was able to set up 35 more meetings from this speach with ‘Woman of the Clan’.

This doesn’t lead to the conclusion that she had a plan to destroy the black race. Could be that she was so passionate in her believe that she would speak to anyone who would listen; however, at a minimum this does give you pause and in a moment of honesty – should be pointed out by someone who is making an argument for Plan Parenthood in the name of balance.

I refused to believe that she wasn’t aware of this fact; but I’m not surprised that she left this fact out. Draw your own conclusions. What the founder wanted is neither here nor there of what goes on today.

Pablo

April 13th, 2011
3:02 pm

carlosgvv:

Your argument about premeditation for Police Officers and Soldiers is incorrect, and here’s why: when a Police Officer shoots at someone who is shooting at him or her, he or she is merely protecting him/herself and possibly others, therefore it is a killing in self-defense. As for Soldiers, they go and kill as a part of a military force engaged in operations, not as a band of pirates or other criminals. Any killing under military operations that meets the standards of the Geneva Conventions AND U.S. law (for our Soldiers) is therefore legal, not premeditated murder. Now, if a PO or a Soldier comes out of the house saying: “I’m killing so-and-so today”, then there is premeditation, and it is murder then.

jconservative

April 13th, 2011
3:09 pm

Interesting discussion.

I could care less about Planned Parenthood. I probably have a problem with government giving money to private entities regardless of who they are. But I will discuss the issue and maybe you can change my mind.

I agree with Cynthia on one thing: the idea of using the State Police Power to force the birth of a conceived child only to abandon that child after birth is just plain stupid. I will vote tomorrow to use the Police Power to force births if it also includes using the Police Power to force the care of that child until adulthood. (And no it does not at this time, either federally or in any state or territory).

But neither will happen in the foreseeable future. We will continue to muddle along as we have for the last 38 years.

We seem to have settled down to be a nation of “muddlers” on a lot of issues. All we agree on is that we will disagree.

We can and will settle abortion, and most other issues, when we rediscover the ability to Compromise.

dan

April 13th, 2011
3:15 pm

The Bible is food for bigots.

carlosgvv

April 13th, 2011
3:16 pm

Gerald

Since you are such an expert on the Bible, please furnish me with Book, chapter and verse in the New Testament where abortion is mentioned by NAME.

Kathryn

April 13th, 2011
3:23 pm

If a “Black Woman” can’t afford contraceptives, How does she afford an abortion?

WOODSTOCK MIKE

April 13th, 2011
3:24 pm

@iRun

I understand what you are saying, however, I wanted to be clear about the argument. The argument is very simple. The govt is funding a company that performs probably the most controversial medical procedure there is. If a tax payer wants to voice their opinion about not wanting their money to go towards a company that performs abortions I have no problem with that.

It is common knowledge that Planned Parenthood claims they do not use tax dollars for their abortion business. But, lets be realistic about it, how can anyone be sure that the equipment that is used, the doctors who are paid, anything that is involved in the abortion procedures are not tied to govt funding. How can you be sure of that??

iRun

April 13th, 2011
3:25 pm

BTW, Planned Parenthood account for 0.008% of the entire Federal Budget. 0.008% means that out of each dollar PP gets $1*(0.008/100) = $0.00008

Out of my taxable income, 0.008% is about $15/year.

I think I will start sending $10/mo to Planned Parenthood….

WOODSTOCK MIKE

April 13th, 2011
3:28 pm

@iRun

So did you take a look at how much $15/yr is from every tax paying American? What is that number?

Blog Goddess

April 13th, 2011
3:31 pm

Trapped in meager circumstances, many black women who find themselves facing an unplanned pregnancy choose abortion.

And I don’t blame them. If you can barely feed yourself, how are you going to feed someone else?

iRun

April 13th, 2011
3:33 pm

W Mike,

I work in Public Health. There is really strict accountability about where those $ go. Believe me…if PP was spending any of those tax dollars on abortions it would come to light.

Consider this, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a huge supporter of PP. The money they provide is earmarked against use for abortion services. Do you really think B&MG Foundation isn’t able to track that?

On another note, Warren Buffett’s foundations that supports PP specifically provides funds for abortion services.

I am not arguing with you that PP provides a socially controversial yet legal service. So do private doctors. So do churches, for that matter. But, it’s a legal service and it’s an unfortunately necessary one. Personally? I wouldn’t have an abortion unless it was pretty dire. I wouldn’t even have an abortion in the case of rape so long as the fetus or myself were in no danger.

But its easy for me to say that. (1) I am affluent and can afford another child from birth to launch, and (2) I can’t have any more children…non working parts (I’m still of child bearing age but my plumbing “rusted out”, so to speak).

I wouldn’t dream of telling anyone else what to do. This is super private, between a woman and her doctor and her spouse/partner, if she feels safe including him/her.

Get Real

April 13th, 2011
3:35 pm

Maybe if they didn’t get welfare for having kids they wouldn’t be so ready lie around and get pregnant and pop them out every year or so! Also, if they didn’t start having sex before hitting their teens and have responsible parents if they knew who their daddy was would go a long way in helping. The thugs wearing their pants to the ground, gangs, etc, etc contribute a lot to this mentality, also.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
3:36 pm

Mike, you would need to apply it to your taxable income, which is different than mine. My taxable income approaches 200K a year.

For an American making $60,000/year of TAXABLE income that 0.008% is ~ $5/year.

For an American making a taxable income of $40,000/year it’s about $3/year.

OMG...Really

April 13th, 2011
3:37 pm

Gerald,

Minor point but you seem to spend a lot of time calling people out for commenting about things of which you claim they have no knowledge. I’d like to point something out to you based on your snarky little comment about Obama’s law review experience. Anyone who has actually been to law school (GSU, Law Review 2000-2001) will tell you that you have to work very very hard to get on law review and once there you are lucky if you get one sole authored article published. Especially as editor where your attention is focused in so many different directions.

And for the record I do take exception to your contention that one MUST see the Bible as consistently presenting the same view of God, man, and their standing with regards to each other. While your faith may allow you to make this assumption those people who do not share your faith are not as quick to overlook the glaring examples of God’s savagery in some points and his overwhelming love of man in others. The same God who gave the commandment not to kill told the wandering Israelites to slaughter other races unmercifully. One only has to read the stories of Gideon in Judges or the slaughter of the Bethshemesh in I Samuel to see examples of the ruthless, murderous nature of God. I will grant you that the ruthless murderous nature is but one part of the nature of God, but it is reality that you can’t sweep aside because it doesn’t fit your political philosophy.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
3:38 pm

BTW, not meaning to imply that churches provide abortions! Just socially controversial legal services while being government subsidized….

Big D

April 13th, 2011
3:42 pm

Why don’t we just get the Fed’s to pay for IDIOT insurance for people who did not have the presence of mind to know THIS ACT WILL GET YOUR DUMB AZZ PREGNANT.
I don’t care how or why just as long as you LIBERALS don’t take my money and make it MY BUSINESS.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

April 13th, 2011
3:46 pm

@iRun

Wow, that sure is a nice salary for govt work. You make almost as much a the president!! What is your position in Public Health??

iRun

April 13th, 2011
3:46 pm

I have an idea…no matter your marital status you must pay to have sex. Every time. Every person. You will be required to pay into the Sex Insurance System.

Maybe if we charge for it we can control the sexual activity of human beings.

*rolleyes*

OMG...Really

April 13th, 2011
3:46 pm

carlosgvv,

To step to the other side of the argument it is not fair for you to ask this question:
“please furnish me with Book, chapter and verse in the New Testament where abortion is mentioned by NAME.”

Those who have faith, if I may be allowed to defend them for a moment, who say that the words of Jesus, when he set forth the second greatest commandment, can be rightfully interpreted to disallow abortion. Many of those with faith consider abortion to be the murder of a human being, which clearly violates the above commandment to “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Just because the word “abortion” does not appear in the Bible does not mean that people of faith can not interpret the Bible to legitimately support their position.

I may agree with your position as pro-life but I believe it is important to exercise intellectual honesty in debate.

JB

April 13th, 2011
3:48 pm

This guy dan is the most lost person on here today. It’s OK if he doesn’t believe, but to hate is a different story….Maybe hate is to strong….belittle may be better. It’s non of my business what he believes, but to mock, belittle those of us who do, is little man syndrome.

OMG...Really

April 13th, 2011
3:50 pm

iRun,

As a single man I pay regularly into the Sex Insurance System. I just pay my premiums to restaurants and drinking establishments. I love your proposals. End the welfare system of free sex to the married.

Wait I was married and I wouldn’t have had to pay much then, maybe about 6 premiums a year. Crap, I guess it all balances out.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
3:51 pm

Mike,

My salary as a government employee is fair for my professional level of education and experience. My taxable income approaching 200K reflects my husband’s income and the income we have from rental property. My salary is only about a third, or so, of our total taxable income.

And, in case you’re wondering, I am off today (sick child!) so I am not using government time or resources to post on this forum.

If you look for me on these forums I am not very active because when I AM at work I either don’t have access to these websites or, and mostly, I don’t have TIME.

However, this issue of Planned Parenthood is important to me because I see first-hand evidence how family planning services (excluding abortion because no government funded research includes it) reduces the number of unplanned pregnancies, unwanted children, and, importantly, the number of children born with lifelong diseases like HIV.

It’s not a small deal.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
3:52 pm

carlos…he can’t. Its his interpretation of a book written by men and edited by men. Might as well as for proof of God…he’ll tap dance and bluster, but there is no proof.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

April 13th, 2011
3:52 pm

@iRun

LOL, I was joking with you!! I respect your opinions and the way you communicate your ideas. Wish everyone could communicate like you do…

oldguy

April 13th, 2011
3:53 pm

Hey Cynthia, Can you do me a favor and pass this along to Jay for me. It will save lot of time for all of us and he will not have to do his next 10 columns:

———————-Cut Here————————————-
| OBama’s Plan walks on water |
| Obama today unvailed the perfect plan to save the economy, the |
| nation, the world, the galaxy, time itself. The plan is so |
| fantastic the anyone who deos not agree to immediately put it |
| into action is a bigoted Nazi Racist who want old people to eat |
| dogfood, Women to all die of cancer/childbirth, and kids to |
| starve. No one can disagree with the infalliable logic of |
| THE CHOSEN ONE!!! |
———————Paste here————————————-

You are welcome Jay and Cynthia; I accept all major credit cards

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
3:53 pm

carlosgv:

Abortion by name? Not given. However, the Old Testament law does declare strict punishments for those who cause – whether by purpose or accident – the death of an unborn child. See Exodus chapter 21 for example. So, while the term is not there, the concept most definitely is.

Next?

TruthBe

April 13th, 2011
3:54 pm

Good point Kathryn. Because most of the “Black Women’s” abortions are paid for by the tax players in one form or another. Tucker is a racist now and always has been.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
3:54 pm

OMG…Really,

I guess it’s a strange balance…single means more sex and paying into The System. Married means less sex and more money.

At least for you. Not for me…heheheheheheheh. I likey my husband…and there’s no risk of babies anymore so time for FUN! Pay into The System.

;)

Seamus

April 13th, 2011
3:58 pm

@Jethro, 1. 02p, et al.

Question one: Weren’t you the “Mensa” fellow on Amos and Andy?
Question two: Perhaps you should go back to school and take biology again. I (and millions of others) think – but, mind you, are not sure -that it “takes two to tango.” Other than the Virgin Mary, can you site how many women have gotten pregnant all by their lonesomes (pun intended)? Solve that riddle and no one (those pesky and nasty men) will “have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies.”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
4:00 pm

“the concept” is there…… translation: our interpretation of man’s words from the past to the current world. your mileage may vary.

iRun

April 13th, 2011
4:00 pm

Mke, I appreciate your friendliness.

I enjoy these discussions but I don’t like for them to get nasty.

Though my earlier post about a permanent underclass reflects a darker cynical side to my thinking that I occasionally indulge in. Not too often because otherwise I’d feel hopeless and depressed.

I gotta go for the day…sick child is calling for some popsicles…

0311/0317 -1811/1801

April 13th, 2011
4:02 pm

“SLAVERY WAS BLACK FREE LABOR? NONSENSE OF COURSE”

jt

April 13th, 2011
4:06 pm

Genocide as per MerriumWebster———

: the attempt or act of deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group .

Considering the above stated statistics, an argument could be made to that effect.
I am glad that at least some African Americans are trying to stop it…..instead of encouraging the practice by voting democrat.
And to be fair, Republicans, when controlling the house AND Senate, never tried to defund PP . In fact PP’s funding only increased.It is only a sick political wedge issue.NO taxpayer money should be involved.

Gerald

April 13th, 2011
4:06 pm

OMG…Really:

Regarding Obama, you did not contradict anything that I said. Second, Obama’s lack of signed editorials on the law review has been a topic of much discussion, and is most definitely NOT common practice for that publication, something that the Harvard folks – despite their affection for Obama – were indeed forced to admit.

“While your faith may allow you to make this assumption those people who do not share your faith are not as quick to overlook the glaring examples of God’s savagery in some points and his overwhelming love of man in others.”

Wrong. This is why. If you will investigate the Bible in several points, especially Romans, the gospel of John, and Genesis 6, you will encounter the concept “original sin.” This means that all humankind is sinful. Because of this, God is perfectly justified in killing ALL MEN. By doing so, far from being savage, God is giving men what men deserve, because the Bible makes it clear that the punishment of sin is death (Ezekiel 18:20, Genesis 2:17). It is because God is loving and merciful that ANY are permitted to live AT ALL. So, from the perspective of the Bible, God is no more savage for punishing sinful men with death than is the state for executing mass murderers and serial killers like Timothy McVeigh or Ted Bundy.

The Bible is 100% crystal clear and consistent on this fact. The only issue is that men who read the Bible deny what the text plainly says, starting with liberals who deny the existence of original sin (the crowd who claims that humanity is basically good and can be improved by government and with education and psychology … how’s that working out … I thought so).

Ragnar Danneskjöld

April 13th, 2011
4:10 pm

Dear OMG @ 3:37, you err: “Anyone who has actually been to law school (GSU, Law Review 2000-2001) will tell you that you have to work very very hard to get on law review…” Actually it is pretty easy – :work: is not an issue at all- although there is a luck element.

carlosgvv

April 13th, 2011
4:10 pm

OMG..really

It most certainly is fair for me to ask that question since Jesus does mention a number of sins by name. If you really believe that Jesus is the Messiah then you must conclude he knew what abortion was and decided not to mention it. Read the last verses in Revelation and you will find a strict commandment to not either add or take away from the Word. Of course, you can always pray to God and mention to Him that Jesus must have just forgotten to mention abortion and you, in your wisdom, have decided to correct that error.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

April 13th, 2011
4:10 pm

Also, dear OMG, “very” is not an adjective. Doubling it does not add emphasis.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

April 13th, 2011
4:11 pm

Nor is it an adverb.

carlosgvv

April 13th, 2011
4:12 pm

Gerald

If you were really a Bible expert, you would know that Christians are bound only by the New Testament and are not required to follow the Old Testament, as Jews are.

What Goes Around Comes Around

April 13th, 2011
4:16 pm

I agree Republicans ARE tireless opponents of reproductive rights. What they need to be focusing on is:

CREATING JOBS CREATING JOBS CREATING JOBS CREATING JOBS.

Republicans where are the jobs you promised??????????

jocko

April 13th, 2011
4:17 pm

iRun,
Where else would PPA get the money to do what they do but taxes and some small contributions from private parties? Audit the PPA and determine how they spend federal grants. If they are breaking the law, then shut them down! Most of the other services they provide are not a problem for most of us. It has been repeatedly found that they do use tax grants to provide an average of 330,000+ abortions a year.

c

April 13th, 2011
4:20 pm

Abortion is murder! If a woman wants to be a murderer, let her kill her babies!

Scooter (The Original)

April 13th, 2011
4:20 pm

The origins of Planned Parenthood are firmly rooted in Margaret Sanger’s eugenic approach to societal engineering.

OMG...Really

April 13th, 2011
4:26 pm

Ragnar, while things may have been different at Harvard it took work to make it to Law Review at GSU. Either you graded on (which damn sure took work) or you have a sufficient GPA to be able to write your way on. Either way luck had nothing to do with it.

Gerald,

You hit on my point exactly. One has to share your faith and belief in original sin in order to see things your way. The absence of such faith turns what you see as the divine right of God to kill those he wishes into genocidal behavior. What were the sins of those slaughtered by Gideon? They didn’t share the faith of the Israelites. That was all there was to it. The nations exterminated by Israel in the OT stood in the way on the march to the promised land. They committed no crime other than the fact that they didn’t share their faith in Jehovah so they were put to the sword.

And believe it or not there are many conservative people who do not share your faith and many liberal people who do. So to say that a rejection of the OT concept of original sin is a characteristic liberal mindset is an oversimplification at best and an unfounded stereotype at worst.

OMG...Really

April 13th, 2011
4:28 pm

Ragnar,

Thanks for the grammar lesson. This is blog ding dong. I’m not going back and editing, I’m just James Joyce-ing here.

Geez, what a pompous ass you must be.

Seamus

April 13th, 2011
4:29 pm

@IRun: I quote you from your entry as follows…

One last time…Planned Parenthood does not use ANY tax dollars to provide abortion services. None. Nada. Zero.

Hmmm… Let’s see. Assuming the European Union, the Arabs or Pacific Islanders are providing funding for PP and not the tax payer through taxes paid into the gummint (or, for the elitists that think everything outside NY and LA is weeds and rednecks), I am going to go out on a limb and state that you are either brain-dead or severely lacking in your ability to put 2 + 2 together and get 4. It’s OUR TAX DOLLARS THAT FUND Planned Parenthood. So, even a first grader can get that: OUR TAX dollars fund Planned Parenthood murders (or abortions if you want to resort to euphemisms.
What say you to that?

sambo

April 13th, 2011
4:30 pm

Abortion is murder, Abortion doctors are murders, people who have abortions are murderers and the deadbeats who don’t take responsibility for their actions are accessory.

Never moral advice from a pro-abortionist, they are hypocrites

Annie

April 13th, 2011
4:32 pm

Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood’s founder, was a well know eugenicist. Her desire was to rid society of the unfit and the less desirables, namely the poor (who are are also in many cases African American). She was also a racist, BTW. That said, why is it such a crime to be poor? Should a baby be aborted just because it is poor? Should baby be aborted because it is unwanted? Why should the value of a human life depend on the quality of life that a child will have? Does an unborn child not have intrinsic value? This is a debate that our country needs to engage in. The investigations of the abortion industry in the last 4 years by Liveaction.org has propelled that debate into the forefront. Let’s make it honest and open one.

markie mark

April 13th, 2011
4:45 pm

“I wouldn’t dream of telling anyone else what to do. This is super private, between a woman and her doctor and her spouse/partner, if she feels safe including him/her.”

@iRun – and this is the part of the conversation that I totally dont understand….you did the most private, intimate thing you can do with another human being. And then they dont have the right to be involved in the choice? What does that say about the emotional intelligence of that female human being? pretty poor, I would say.

Seamus

April 13th, 2011
4:46 pm

OMG!!!
I just read an article on the Urinal-Constipation’s online paper (which you are reading) that, according to the AP, says the Leftist’s Savior is going to trim the deficit by 4Trillion in 12 years by levying taxes on the “rich” (whomever fits that description). I get, can’t beat ‘em so tax the hell out of them; make ‘em not rich but poor so they can join the other “poor” in this country and, then perhaps, there will be no one left to ‘pay the freight.’ That’s what’s soooo great about the Socialist Leftie PROGRESSIVES (OOPS, I meant REGRESSIVES).

Bob

April 13th, 2011
4:48 pm

Alright!! A person’s body belongs to that person and the government has no say in what they do with it. I for one am happy to hear that prostitution is now legal because the government has no say in what someone does with their body. I can also sell a kidney. This is great.

Joe Mama

April 13th, 2011
4:48 pm

gerald — “starting with liberals who deny the existence of original sin”

It’s not just liberals. There are conservative atheists, too. And when Jim Rob finds them on Free Republic, he launches a purge and kicks them all off. I know because it happened to me at least twice.

OMG...Really

April 13th, 2011
4:51 pm

Seamus,

Don’t use my name in vain. So sayeth OMG….Really.

Joe Mama

April 13th, 2011
4:51 pm

sambo — “people who have abortions are murderers”

Uh huh. So when my wife had an ectopic pregnancy 12 years ago, you’d apparently have counseled me to let her die in agony rather than terminate the pregnancy (the fetus would have died in either case).

How NOBLE of you to imply that others should die for your principles. :(

Kamchak

April 13th, 2011
4:58 pm

Abortion is murder…

This crap still?

<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder"mur·der
noun \ˈmər-dər\
Definition of MURDER
1
: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
2
a : something very difficult or dangerous b : something outrageous or blameworthy

“Murder” is a criminal act.

Abortion is a legal procedure and cannot, by definition, be “murder.”

Blue

April 13th, 2011
4:58 pm

You people on BOTH sides arguing in the ‘old testament’ are ludicrous. Even the all-knowing CT has referenced old testament rituals, etc, that were part of OLD LAW. When the new covenant was made…oh never mind, you will just come back with some smarmy,know-it-all comments.

oldguy

April 13th, 2011
5:01 pm

I, for one, think we should double or triple our funding for abortions. The more dumb people we can keep out of the gene pool the better! They are using up our oxygen!
Lets adopt the China model “You get 1 child per family,period! all others must be aborted”. Now there is a plan!!

Joe Mama

April 13th, 2011
5:04 pm

oldguy — “Lets adopt the China model “You get 1 child per family,period! all others must be aborted”. Now there is a plan!!”

How about the Ludicrous Librul Plan that conservative posters here will sooner or later claim is really in the works? You get $1000 for the first child you don’t have, and then $500 for every subsequent child you don’t have. (laughing) :D

HRPufnstuf

April 13th, 2011
5:05 pm

Wow. Once again (maybe 3 times in the last 5 years) I agree with Cynthia,

I think abortion is wrong, immoral, and an awful thing to do.

I also think that I have NO BUSINESS dictating my beliefs on a woman who chooses that right. Since Federal funds for abortion are ALREADY prohibited for use, and that’s only about 3% of their total budge, then it seems to me that all the rhetoric about Planned Parenthood has some other agenda behind it.

scrappy

April 13th, 2011
5:12 pm

“What say you to that?”

I say you are believing the propaganda that these “Preachers” are shoveling. When confronted with facts, you will still continue to believe the drivel.

NO CURRENT TAX DOLLARS GO TO ABORTIONS.
Why do they say otherwise? No other reason than to rile up the base of conservatives and hope the rile them up enough to vote for the person of their choosing.

Jimmy62

April 13th, 2011
5:14 pm

This is somewhat a non-sequitor, but you know who really ticks me off? People who are both pro-choice and anti-drug. So the government has the right to dictate how you treat your body when it comes to drugs, but not abortion? Makes no sense.

Unfortunately, I think this describes a good number of people in the electorate.

Bob

April 13th, 2011
5:16 pm

A woman makes a mistake and becomes pregnant and is given the option of backing out of this mistake by getting an abortion. In order to make this fair, men should be able to disown the fetus. No child support. Why should women have an option after the fact and men don’t? Each should held responsible or each should be able to disown their mistake. Anything else is a sexist position.

markie mark

April 13th, 2011
5:18 pm

damn Bob….now thats a concept I never thought of before…..

casual observer

April 13th, 2011
5:27 pm

Nonsense of course?! If people want to get abortions as a form of birth control because it’s desperation or whatever? Fine. STUPID and IGNORENT but okay.

Answer this then. Why should the American taxpayer pay for it?

Joe Mama

April 13th, 2011
5:39 pm

casua observer — “Answer this then. Why should the American taxpayer pay for it?”

The American taxpayer *isn’t* paying for it.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

April 13th, 2011
5:44 pm

Here’s an idea. How about getting MARRIED and STAY TOGETHER BEFORE having a child?

B

April 13th, 2011
5:44 pm

PPH promotes abortion whether they actually perform them or not.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

April 13th, 2011
5:45 pm

Joe Mama – You aren’t that stupid are you? What is Planned Parenthood and the FREE abortion clinics? Who do you think funds those? Here’s YOUR sign.

B

April 13th, 2011
5:49 pm

can someone tell me exactly what is the purpose of PPH then, and do we not already have other programs in place to do the same?

B

April 13th, 2011
5:53 pm

I oppose abortion in most cases but will say I won’t ‘force’ my values on anyone. At a minimum, I would like the requirement that anyone wanting to have an abortion be required to receive counciling, ultrasound and hear the baby’s heartbeat beforehand. Will PPH support that?

Joe Mama

April 13th, 2011
5:56 pm

Mmm — “Joe Mama – You aren’t that stupid are you?”

Smart enough to know *you’re* only working with guesses and supposition. If you have proof that Planned Parenthood uses Federal funds for abortions, then let’s see what you’ve got, cowboy.

“What is Planned Parenthood and the FREE abortion clinics? Who do you think funds those?”

Not Federal money; that’s *illegal.*

Joe Mama

April 13th, 2011
5:57 pm

B — “At a minimum, I would like the requirement that anyone wanting to have an abortion be required to receive counciling, ultrasound and hear the baby’s heartbeat beforehand.”

Why, exactly? Could you tell me, please, why you feel those things are necessary?

Class of '98

April 13th, 2011
6:15 pm

Black women have more abortions because they are poorer than white women? How much is an abortion? A few hundred dollars?

How much does a condom cost? How much does it cost to keep your knees togther?

Black women have more abortions because of less access “contraceptive information”? Are they unaware that unprotected sexual intercourse sometimes leads to conception of a baby?

Give me a break.

Kamchak

April 13th, 2011
6:23 pm

Give me a break.

Why?

Is there something “special” about you that you deserve one?

Did you ride the “short bus” to school?

Rafe Hollister

April 13th, 2011
6:30 pm

Purging of the womb is allowed by the Roe V Wade ruling.

Purging my pocketbook by an organization whose primary purpose is to purge wombs is outlawed by the Hyde amendment.

Otherwise, purge all the wombs of the poor you want, I obviously am not allowed to stop you.

Michelle

April 13th, 2011
7:19 pm

Perhaps the AJC should check their facts before publishing articles with false information.
“If birth control pills and devices were cheaper and more widely available, more women would use them. Unplanned pregnancies would drop. The abortion rate would decline. But conservatives like Hunter have no use for family planning, period.”
Birth control has continued to be made more readily available, cheaper, and offered at younger and younger ages in the past few decades and yet the abortion rate has continued to soar. Perhaps you should look at some of the studies that have been published before stating “facts” that are so far from the truth. The number of unintended pregnancies hasn’t gone down since 1995, so why should America continue to fund such a unsuccessful operation? Meanwhile Liberals have de-funded Pregnancy Centers that offer REAL help to women in crisis because the refuse to offer abortions. So you want to blame conservatives for not wanting to give food stamps to every dead beat who doesn’t want to get a job, and yet yell and scream when funding organizations that offer REAL help to women in a crisis pregnancy situation- organizations that offer parenting classes, prenatal care, clothes, and other services simply because they are not willing to kill the life that is growing inside these women. Now that is what you call strange.
BTW there were over 330,000 abortions provided by Planned Parenthood last year and under 8,000 clients provided with prenatal care. So what where you saying about them not being in the business of killing babies?
And you can call it a women’s body all you want, science proved long ago that the “sack of cells” that you so quickly destroy is actually a living, seperate human being with DNA and a life of it’s own. Just because it is dependent doesn’t make it yours to kill.

Wiie

April 13th, 2011
7:32 pm

Abortion is Tucker’s most deeply held value.

Isn’t that sad?

Stephani

April 13th, 2011
7:51 pm

Ms. Tucker, God bless Johnny Hunter…a man who respects the life of an innocent baby!!! What people like you refer to “reproductive rights” is MURDER….PLAIN & SIMPLE….there are plenty of married couple just waiting to adopt a baby of ANY color…the time has come that women who have unexpected pregnancies DO THE RIGHT THING & ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY for their condition!!! It’s not the baby’s fault…98% of the time they need to learn to keep their legs shut….AND THEY NEED NO SPECIAL “INSTRUCTION” OR EDUCATION FOR THAT!!! & as far as Margaret Sanger is concerned, SHE WAS A RACIST OF THE WORST KIND…do your research & you will find the truth…for a change.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 13th, 2011
7:59 pm

Purging my pocketbook by an organization whose primary purpose is to purge wombs is outlawed by the Hyde amendment

More nonsensical statements……what is this “organization” with this primary purpose?

Mongo

April 13th, 2011
8:28 pm

Genocide against criminals maybe. Legal abortion is the biggest reason we don’t have a massive violent crime spree. At least according to the data in Freakonomics. Of course the Conned will refuse to believe it. They are allergic to those pesky little things like facts.

Mongo

April 13th, 2011
8:31 pm

Perhaps the fact that abortions rose recently happens to coincide with the rise in the teaching of abstinence only nonsense in schools is only a coincidence, more likely causation though..

Buster Collins

April 13th, 2011
8:34 pm

Planned Parenthood doesn’t need a dollar of federal money. They do perform abortions, that is not in question. No federal money for that. We are broke, beyond broke.

Planned Parenthood lobbies for the freedom to all kinds of abortions, including late-term. In that, they support more abortions than they provide; guilt by association.

And, we have Ms. Tucker who said no child ever asked to be born. It’s good to see that she’s adopted the notion of working part-time again with only bi-weekly drivel. She should continue to work half-time, since she’s a half-wit.

buck@gon

April 13th, 2011
8:40 pm

“Johnny Hunter, a black preacher who opposes abortion rights, ……is among Roe v. Wade’s diehard opponents, single-minded activists …… ”

Yes, well once-a-week-blogging close-minded columnists love to criticize activists who are doing nothing but acting single-mindedly, as if he hasn’t been doing anything else all week.

Well, at least Hunter’s whereabouts are known. Where the hell have YOU been, civil Cynthia?

Bull

April 13th, 2011
9:19 pm

The higher abortion rate among black women is a logical — if desperate — answer to an unplanned pregnancy and meager resources. Since black women tend to be poorer than white women, they are less likely to have the benefit of regular health care and the contraceptive information and services it confers. Trapped in meager circumstances, many black women who find themselves facing an unplanned pregnancy choose abortion.

What a crock and sorry excuse — what contraceptive information beyond just say “no”, use common sense, and have some level of personal pride, respect, and responsibility is needed????

Thulsa Doom

April 13th, 2011
9:50 pm

Interesting. A poor black women can’t afford a 50 cent condom- nor can her male partner apparently. But she can afford a $500 abortion. Hmmmm.

Catherine

April 13th, 2011
10:06 pm

In New York City for every 1,000 black babies born alive, 1,489 are aborted. Black genocide?

Rafe Hollister

April 13th, 2011
10:12 pm

The poor man/woman who can’t afford a condom should just ask one of her many children to pick up a bunch at school. I thought schools were giving them to anyone who asks.

Keep, you know the organization is Planned Parenthood, who funds most of their programs with money derived from fetacide, the deliberate purging of a fetus.

Nar

April 13th, 2011
10:57 pm

Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger’s Negro Project. Sanger created this program in 1939, after the organization changed its name from the American Birth Control League (ABCL) to the Birth Control Federation of America (BCFA).

Margaret Sanger aligned herself with the eugenicists whose ideology prevailed in the early 20th century. Eugenicists strongly espoused racial supremacy and “purity,” particularly of the “Aryan” race. Eugenicists hoped to purify the bloodlines and improve the race by encouraging the “fit” to reproduce and the “unfit” to restrict their reproduction. They sought to contain the “inferior” races through segregation, sterilization, birth control and abortion.

Planned Parenthood (originally named American Birth Control League) worked hand in hand with the American Eugenics Society. The American Eugenics Society is today called The Society for the Study of Social Biology.

Eugenics (the study and practice of “improving” the genetic features of human populations through selective breeding and sterilization) has played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States.

Eugenics was practiced in the United States many years before eugenics programs in Nazi Germany (and in fact, U.S. programs provided much of the inspiration for the latter).

The American eugenics movement received extensive funding from various corporate foundations including the Carnegie Institution & Rockefeller Foundation. In 1906 J.H. Kellogg provided funding to help found the Race Betterment Foundation in Battle Creek, Michigan.

This has all been supported by our former Presidents and Congresses.

Conspiracy theory?
Yea, it’s all been a well documented dream.

kayaker 71

April 13th, 2011
11:05 pm

So we are to believe that all of those blubber butt welfare broodmares out there would not become pregnant if the government was doing a better job of supplying them with birth control devices at taxpayer expense. CT, you are beyond redemption.

Thulsa Doom

April 13th, 2011
11:10 pm

Like I said how does a woman afford a $500 abortion but yet between her and the male partner she’s doing the naughty with they can’t scrape up 25 cents apiece for a condom?

Tom Middleton

April 13th, 2011
11:44 pm

CT: “Oddly, the most vociferous critics of Planned Parenthood are also the least likely to support plans and proposals that might actually lower the abortion rate — among black women as well as among white and brown women.”

Nothing makes sense in Republican philosophy, Cynthia, until we remember that they’re not about the many but the few. You see, in Republican ideology, there are winners and losers in the big economic game they like to call life; and since theirs is a political party designed specifically for the winners, then their job is to make sure they all get treated as such if they want to win elections. (Kind of gutsy for a minority party, isn’t it?)

Anyway, it’s No to taxes as much as possible and No to anything else, like family planning, health care, education and so on, that could help the rest of us to lead better lives. I mean, they have to draw the line somewhere, don’t they – especially since they feel so very much oppressed? Poor Republicans,,,

Please don’t misunderstand me, though, for they know what they’re doing, even down to what you pointed out so clearly in your commentary today. It’s just that they don’t care what they do to others, in their great haste to make a pile; for to them, the others are the losers and don’t deserve what they can’t win – period!

Cynthia, there may be plenty of Charlie Sheen in this their operating philosophy, but since we’re talking about a preacher and a political party that parades their religion, not a crazy actor, where’s the Christian love in any of it? I mean, didn’t Jesus say we couldn’t serve two masters – God and wealth (mammon} – and that we should always seek the Kingdom of God first?

My Bible says he did, but maybe that teaching is missing in some revised Republican version somewhere…and in the hypocritical Mr. Johnny Hunter as well!

Doug Lawrence

April 14th, 2011
5:29 am

The destruction of innocent human life for the sake of convenience, whether black, white, yellow, or red, is simply inexcusable.

Genocide is genocide … no matter how hard someone tries to redefine it.

There’s already more than enough murder in the ‘hood. We don’t need misguided souls promoting and prescribing preemptive capital punishment for black babies, while still inside their mother’s wombs.

What we really need is liberty and justice, for all. Abortion is certainly not any part of that!

They cut hair, don't they?

April 14th, 2011
7:13 am

Fifty million abortion in the USA since RvWade. They would have all been Republicans. Thus their vote.

Ideology is the GOP objection to abortion. I totally agree. If there is divine retribution, then certainly we are in for it. As much as I hate the Rushannities, the Becks, the Dittoheads and the Bookman Blog of muff-diving munch-wads, I have to agree that abortion is this nation’s original sin, and not even a crucifixion can save us if Yahwey decides that enough is enough.

Have you pagan sloths forgotten what happened to Jupiter with the Shoemaker-Levy thingie? That could have been Earth. We didn’t even spot it till six months B4 it hit, you sacreligious bunch of hypocritical heretics and nuckleheaded ne’er-do-wells, (and p-holes).

Do you think you rocket scientists could rationalize even more abortions. Why only 50 million. Why not a hundred? You Horned Morons. You Idiot Devils.

I meant a-holes.

What If

April 14th, 2011
7:41 am

BRAVO, C. Bigotry comes in all forms – and men against women is one of the oldest and most vicious of all. Seems to go hand in hand with the psuedo-christianity (small ‘c’ on purpose) these evil bigots practice.

lets make it easy foe everyone.

April 14th, 2011
8:06 am

lets treat un planned babies like drunk drivers. The first one you lose points with your freebies, the second one you lose all the insurance, the third one you lose the right to any help, the fourth one you lose all right to have sex, the fifth one you have it taken away from you. next you go after the rider, after the first one you lose thirty days of rights and so one till the third one and we just cut you off all together. You can take it home in a bag or pickle it and say (man it done the bitches good while I had it. This would solve a lot of problems and we could fuss over something else.

carlosgvv

April 14th, 2011
8:44 am

From the time Roe v Wade was enacted till now there has been a population growth for both blacks and whites in this country. If abortion really is black genocide, the growth rate for blacks should be considerably lower than for whites. Since this obviously is not the case, how can anyone say that abortion is black genocide?

jconservative

April 14th, 2011
9:32 am

Another point:

The Associated Press
“LONDON — More than 2 million babies are stillborn every year worldwide and about half could be saved if their mothers had better medical care, according to research estimates published Thursday in the medical journal Lancet.

While the vast majority of stillbirths happen in the developing world, the rates in countries including Britain, France and the U.S. have not dropped to the degree that many experts had expected, as rising obesity levels among pregnant women increase the risk.

Experts say providing better obstetric care, treating conditions like syphilis, high blood pressure and diabetes in mothers, among other strategies, could save more than 1 million infants every year. The research was paid for by organizations including Save the Children, the World Health Organization and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.”
———————

But then using government resources to treat expectant mothers would be socialism and we can’t have that, can we? Better to let the unborn kids die, right?

JohnnyReb

April 14th, 2011
9:38 am

The abortion issue clearly shows the contrast between political ideoligies. Libs think it’s ok to kill a baby because it has never seen the light of day while at the same time think it’s wrong and immoral to put to death a murderer or child molestor. If that is not wrong thinking, then nothing is. A woman’s time to chose is when she decides whether or not to have sex without having taken proper birth control measures.

emmysmom

April 14th, 2011
9:43 am

Women exercised their “right” to choose long before they chose abortion; i.e., the choice to have unprotected sex, the choice to have unprotected sex at that particular time, the choice to have unprotected sex at that time with that particular man. At abortion, that women “chooses” to take away her baby’s (possibly another woman’s) rights. Unacceptable. Abortion is genocide. Period.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 14th, 2011
9:50 am

inner city abortions=future crime control

TGT

April 14th, 2011
9:54 am

Contraception accounts for about 35 percent of its services; abortion only about three percent.

Nice spin, but anyone with much of a brain knows that PP exists for abortion. Talk about “nonsense!” I’m not sure where the 3% number comes from (other than Wikipedia), butPP’s income from abortions generates over one-third of its revenue.

Really last word

April 14th, 2011
10:06 am

Reproductive rights! Abortions! These are contradictions.
The right for “reproduction” means the right to have a baby . . to “reproduce” ! What does “reproduce” mean . . . it certainly doesn’t mean to “Abort”! Abortion means to terminate a pregnancy/fetus that’s not “reproduction.”
Government shouldn’t pay for abortions! The so-called extra benefits provided by “Family Planning” is also provided by others . . . i.e., mammogram screening, etc. So Family Planning needs to be done away with!!! It is using the other services as a guise to be able to provide abortions!!

Tom B

April 14th, 2011
10:13 am

“The use of race as a wedge …..”

It stings when the other party does it, huh, libs?

Not at the Trough

April 14th, 2011
10:36 am

I am all for terminating unwanted pregnancies. If the woman is on welfare, she should also have her tubes tied. It is more cheaper to terminate a pregnancy than to raise a welfare child. Also, for those Christians out there, why do you want a child to be born in poverty and unloved, to grow up a sad, possibly criminal, figure? Doesn’t sound Christian to me.

willie lynch

April 14th, 2011
10:54 am

Do private doctors report abortion statistics? Do they report STD rates?

Ceasar LeFlore

April 14th, 2011
11:18 am

If you don’t believe Planned Parenthood is racist and seeks to control black population, watch Maafa 21 and think again. And let’s not lose sight of the most important fact in this discussion. Abortion takes the life of an innocent child, no matter what race it is, and no attempt to justify why that may be necessary is acceptable. Life in the womb is just as sacred at that outside of the womb, and sacrificing that life for the sake of a woman’s convenience is unconscionable. And for those who claim an exclusive right for women to decide the fate of that child, consider how helpless a man might feel when he has no way to defend the life of his pre-born child when the mother makes the decision to terminate it.

The Woz

April 14th, 2011
11:37 am

Why did they lose the battle to show that PP is in the abortion business? I think Tucker is talking out of her hat again. Hoping she can assert her way to facts that she cannot prove.

Mr Right

April 14th, 2011
11:38 am

The most dangerous place in America is in the womb of a liberal !!

Jamal

April 14th, 2011
12:02 pm

About 37 percent of abortions are obtained by black women, although they account for less than seven percent of the population.

WOW

No wonder everyone calls ‘em ho’s in the rap videos…..no wonder few black kids have real dads…..these hos need to close their legs already

PollyB

April 14th, 2011
12:05 pm

black wimen tend to be poorer than whites, that’s why more are getting pregnant….last time I checked condoms cost about 50 cent , are you telling me they can’t afford a condom, with all the hair weaves, fake nails, hip hop clothes, car rims,…they can’t afford a 50 cent insurance policy to keep from becoming pregnant……how foolish do you think your readers are?

Almost 20 (Now 20)

April 14th, 2011
12:09 pm

As Van Wilder would say: “Don’t be a fool, wrap your tool”

Hope & Change

April 14th, 2011
12:18 pm

CT-

So is a black preacher that opposes murdering babies a racist as well?

Anything to deflect from the newest stupiest Presidential speech in world history, ehh sweetheart? ;)

Blog Goddess

April 14th, 2011
12:19 pm

Some of you on this blog should’ve been aborted — it would’ve saved a lot of people from reading your stupid azz comments. Sheesh!!

Blog Goddess

April 14th, 2011
12:21 pm

last time I checked condoms cost about 50 cent , are you telling me they can’t afford a condom, with all the hair weaves, fake nails, hip hop clothes, car rims,…

Oy the stoooopid!! It hurts, the stoopid just hurts so bad!

Good grief

April 14th, 2011
1:26 pm

Now blacks are claiming to be less than 7% of the population!?!?!? And here I’ve been thinking the 12% lie we have been hearing for decades was hilarious!!!!

Given the fact the first thing black women ask one another upon meeting is “how many kids you got?,” I think its safe to say that figure is closer to 40%

Laura

April 14th, 2011
1:49 pm

So, Cynthia, you’re good with “If the government won’t love my baby (beyond utero) and provide for it, I’ll just kill it”? Should we provide financial support to all these children who have been irresponsibly conceived so the mothers will have incentive not to commit murder?

Buster Collins

April 14th, 2011
1:59 pm

I was an unplanned pregnancy. The very name “Planned Parenthood” is offensive to me.

Guy Incognito

April 14th, 2011
1:59 pm

I’ve wondered that as well Laura. Why not make it legal to retroactively abort your kid. After all, it’s the mother’s right to choose

Sammy

April 14th, 2011
2:24 pm

When Bush was president Tucker thundered about high gas prices destroying America and the hidden tax on the working people not to mention her dark innuendos about “big oil”:. Now that Obama is president and gas is through the roof, it’s crickets from the resident hypocrite at the AJC.

donner

April 14th, 2011
3:06 pm

@ Sammy

That is because Tucker is the most dishonest, least intelligent and creative propagandist around. Her commentary is beyond being simply irrational.

If Obama was caught on video clubbing baby seals she would say he is only concerned about thier population and lack of food supply.

She makes “crazy” look sane.

tasha

April 14th, 2011
3:50 pm

CT

If you believe you are right then please acccept FOX’s invute on any of thier opinion shiws and debate the issues. I’m O’Rielly and Hannity would love to have you on.

Hidung

tasha

April 14th, 2011
3:52 pm

Hiding on here and that anti-American cesspool known as MSNBC only makes you look like a lying coward