Do ‘pro-lifers’ really care about babies?

WASHINGTON — Jobs are Job No. 1, right?

Independent voters swung to the GOP in last November’s elections because they were disappointed — or angry — with Democrats over a stubbornly-high unemployment rate, polls show. So you’d think that the new House Republican majority would devote its first few months to legislation aimed at creating jobs.

But since staging futile votes to repeal health care reform, Republicans have been most animated about firing new shots in the culture war. They’ve taken aim at reproductive rights, introducing bills to further curb women’s access to safe and legal abortions. Last month, House Speaker John Boehner told reporters that a ban on federal funding for abortions is “one of our highest legislative priorities.”

I’m surprised at Boehner, who had seemed to heed the lessons of the stormy tenure of one of his GOP predecessors, Newt Gingrich. The House Speaker from Georgia reveled in exploiting wedge issues and lobbing rhetorical grenades — to the detriment of his party. Boehner seemed to understand that he needed to avoid Gingrich’s mistakes.

Besides, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels — the dream presidential candidate of many centrist Republicans — has urged the GOP to “call a truce on the so-called social issues” and concentrate on righting the economy.  And, if that weren’t enough reason to discourage a GOP foray into the abortion wars, there’s this: a federal regulation — the Hyde amendment — already bans taxpayer funding of abortions except for a few exceptions, including rape and incest.

But Boehner’s base still demands fidelity to a host of hot-button social issues. Tea partiers, in fact, don’t represent a political force driven by new concerns but, rather, a coalition of ultra-conservatives tearing pages from a very old playbook. Last week’s huge gathering here for ultra-conservatives — the annual CPAC meeting — devoted a panel to “The Pro-life Movement: Plans and Goals.”

If those same activists were concerned about the welfare of children once they emerged from the womb, I’d be more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. There are, certainly, some among anti-abortion activists who campaign dutifully on behalf of poor children — notably the clergy of the Catholic Church.

But, generally speaking, there’s a glaring contradiction in the ideology of anti-abortion proponents: They are passionate about the fetus but indifferent — if not hostile — to actual babies who need a generous social safety net. The same voters who protest Roe vs. Wade usually oppose traditional welfare for poor women, government-funded health care benefits for impoverished children and housing subsidies for poor families. Indeed, among the programs in the crosshairs of GOP budget-cutters is Women, Infants and Children (commonly known as WIC), which provides nutritional supplements to pregnant women and their babies.

That’s not the end of the illogic embedded in anti-abortion activism. Here’s where it gets really frustrating: Conservatives refuse to endorse the widespread use of contraceptives, which would lower the abortion rate. Republican budget-cutters have also targeted family planning programs, and conservatives continue to paint Planned Parenthood, which delivers a host of reproductive health services to women, as the devil’s handmaiden.

That simply makes no sense. Nearly half the pregnancies in the United States are unintended, and about four in ten of those unintended pregnancies result in abortions, according to the highly respected Guttmacher Institute, a non-profit dedicated to reproductive health and improved family planning. It stands to reason, then, that helping women to gain access to reliable contraceptives and to use them appropriately would reduce unintended pregnancies and abortions.

It’s no mystery why abortion rates are much lower in Western Europe. Those countries have adopted public policies that make birth control pills and other contraceptives cheap and widely available. If we did the same, abortion rates would drop sharply here, as well.

That’s one of those common sense solutions that social conservatives should embrace. So far, though, they’d rather keep fighting the same old battles.

339 comments Add your comment

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
2:43 pm

PLanned Parenthood should be allowed to teach about birth control, even though the abortion statistics show that their past efforts have been a huge failure.

But how about if they stop making hundreds of millions of blood money dollars by killing over a million US citizens a day?

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
2:43 pm

Sorry. That would be a year. Not a day.

james

February 11th, 2011
2:45 pm

“It’s no mystery why abortion rates are much lower in Western Europe. Those countries have adopted public policies that make birth control pills and other contraceptives cheap and widely available. If we did the same, abortion rates would drop sharply here, as well”

Please CT- condoms are $1 a piece and available at your local walgreens, gas station, etc.. Does the pregnancy chart really go from top left to bottom right at say 68 cents a piece?

0311/0317 -1811/1801

February 11th, 2011
2:46 pm

Cynthia:

You need to get something straight.

If every person in the U.S. that is against abortion absolutely refused to lift a hand, or adopt or provide funds that would be incredibly hypocritical but ………………. it’s still WRONG TO KILL AN INNOCENT CHILD !

No excuse you can come up with will excuse that !

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
2:48 pm

0311/0317 -1811/1801

A million Plus innocent children a year.

Talk about bad Karma.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
2:50 pm

I wonder how many abortions are performed as a result of a person not being able to afford birth control out of the million plus that are performed a year?

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
2:54 pm

power to the people

So when do conservatives “put a bullet in your head?”

Explain?

0311/0317 -1811/1801

February 11th, 2011
2:55 pm

Nothing is Free:

Yep, they just won’t let go of the big flat screen t.v.

barking frog

February 11th, 2011
2:56 pm

As God gave Adam a choice to obey or disobey,
It would seem God was pro-choice, however God
seemed to be displeased with his choice but God
didn’t kill him after his bad choice, so I guess God
was pro-life after a bad choice much like Jane Roe.

ctucker

February 11th, 2011
2:58 pm

0311@2:46, But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?

barking frog

February 11th, 2011
2:59 pm

There are, certainly, some among anti-abortion activists who campaign dutifully on behalf of poor children — notably the clergy of the Catholic Church.
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It’s possible there are ulterior motives here.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:01 pm

c Tucker

Who is denying food to infants? Try to get those hysterics under control.

they have free food, free medical and free housing. What do you ant . . a paid vacation in the Virgin Isles?

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

February 11th, 2011
3:07 pm

Abortion is murder, those who have them are murderers, those who do them are murderers, period the end of the story. Liberal hypocrisy is off the charts.

barking frog

February 11th, 2011
3:09 pm

Do not kill your children for fear of poverty for it is We who shall provide sustenance for you as well as for them.” (Surah Al-An’am, 6:151)[3]
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This view of Islam should be the view of us all.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

February 11th, 2011
3:11 pm

How about denying sustenance to idiots who automatically equate child birth with starving kids…You are a sad strange person. Good thing you are rare.

Willie

February 11th, 2011
3:15 pm

Denying sustenance to infants? Someone needs to get a grip. Quit slandering the motives of everyone who disagrees with you. Everyone who does not support a big government solution to every problem in the world is not a child hating monster. Quit catastrophizing all disagreement. You have become so shrill and so divisive that you are not really part of the discussion any longer.

GOP Lies

February 11th, 2011
3:20 pm

The republicans never cared about THE BABIES when bush was carpet bombing Iraq and Afghanistan.

Reagan didn’t care about THE BABIES when he had the battle ship New Jersey shell cities in Lebanon.

I know Nixon never cared about THE BABIES when we carpet bombed Viet Nam, I was there!

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:21 pm

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

There’s not a whole of of ways to defend abortions.

We have a society that needs to keep down the surplus population so Margaret Sanger came up with a way to do that. Of course she only wanted to kill off minorities, which of course are the main recipients of the services of Planned Parenthood but it has managed to kill off nearly 15% of our countries population.

I think if there is such a thing as Karma, killing off 15% of our own people has to really stink up the Karma, but it is what it is.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 11th, 2011
3:21 pm

A perverse argument, those who kill babies in the womb care for the babies, but those who oppose killing babies in the womb do not care for the babies. Leftist logic.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:23 pm

GOP Lies

Kennedy sent in the first combat troops. LBJ escalated the war to it’s peak levels. Nixon ran on the platform of ending the war which he did.

If you were there, seems like you would already know that.

J. Kase

February 11th, 2011
3:24 pm

And…and ….and you Republicans are terrible baseball players. Was in “A Few Good Men” I think.

Peadawg

February 11th, 2011
3:24 pm

“Nearly half the pregnancies in the United States are unintended, and about four in ten of those unintended pregnancies result in abortions”

There are that many murderers in this country? Wow….sad.

Misty Fyed

February 11th, 2011
3:25 pm

Your lack of understanding of logic does not make it illogical at all. We do not believe in mercy killings. By your logic, the fact that a baby will be born into poverty makes it ok to kill them. You believe that “no life” is better than a hard one and it is your right to force that belief onto someone who can’t decide for themselves.

Welfare is a seperate issue all together. Conservatives simply want people responsible for their actions. If you are willing to have sex, you need to be willing to raise a child. If not.. then don’t do it; or pay for contraciptives.

I don’t know where this non-sense about contraceptives comes from. Catholics are against it but no-body else I know. But if you want to raise my taxes simply to pay for contraciptives for someone making poor life decisions. Again.. That’s another matter all together.

Peadawg

February 11th, 2011
3:30 pm

“Jobs are Job No. 1, right?” – I would ask Obama that for the past 2 years. Seems like he’s more interested in unconstitutionally forcing us to buy insurance.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:30 pm

We have killed off nearly 40 million American citizens. And now Ms Tucker tells us that of the pregnancies in the US, we are killing almost a fourth of those.

The numbers are staggering.

We were told that by bringing sex ed into the schools, it would teach the kids to use contraceptives, but the numbers continue to escalate. Liberals had better hope that there is no God or no Karma. If there is, we are so screwed.

jack

February 11th, 2011
3:30 pm

uh I work for DFACs and the county. Half the people who apply for WIC don’t need it. they’re just working the system for free stuff

ATF

February 11th, 2011
3:32 pm

No. They don’t realy care about the BABIES. If they cared about the BABIES, they would care about pre-natal care for all pregnant women, about health care for the BABIES are they are born, about day-care for mothers so young children can be cared for while Mom’s work.

It isn’t really about the BABIES when it hits their pocket books. If it was really about the BABIES, all those anti-abortionists would be paying for pre-natal care and paying the doctors and hospitals for the cost of the birth for poor women. They would be paying for diapers poor women can’t afford. They would pay for the babies to see the doctors and get innoculations so they stay healthy. They would pay for the psychological counseling to help a young woman who gives birth after a rape.

It is only about controlling someone else. There is such power in imposing one’s will on another. They substitute control for the love they cannot give and think they have done something good.

God knows.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:34 pm

ATF

There are programs in place that address everything you said. Those programs are not going away. Why the hysterics?

I would like e decrease in the number of abortions. How about you? Are you completely OK with killing off over a million a year?

How to stop them?

February 11th, 2011
3:34 pm

If you really want to stop them – make it a law that the Father of the child is 100% responsible for all costs associated with raising and educating the child until the age of 21.

But we all know that will never happen.

J. Kase

February 11th, 2011
3:35 pm

“Jobs are Job No. 1, right?” Nope. He wants to know who leaked the SOTU to the National Journal.

Per Politico’s Glenn Thrush, Obama’s senior political adviser David Plouffe and other White House aides are “quietly trying to ferret out who leaked” the speech. Plouffe, Thrush reports, is particularly troubled because the draft had been circulated among only a small group of “trusted Obama hands.”

I guess you just can trust anyone these days, but I do love President Obama response: “I don’t need to deliver it now. Everybody saw it.”

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:35 pm

How to stop them?

Are you in favor of the father of the Child having a say in whether or not the mother has an abortion?

The Oddball

February 11th, 2011
3:36 pm

@ Nothing is Free:

As one who spend some quality time dressed in green, let me remind you that President Nixon did not end the war in Viet Nam. In his 1968 campaign, he said he had a secret plan to end the way, but he didn’t. He bumbled along for six years, poured untold more men and money into the pit, escalated Johnson’s bombing campaign, and finally withdrew in a shabby and cynical deal that everyone — EVERYONE — knew would be broken by the North Vietnamese as soon as the last American boot left the ground.

Not sure what point you were trying to make, but that ain’t the way it happened.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

February 11th, 2011
3:36 pm

Wasn’t MLK born into povery, should he have been killed just because he was poor?

How about holding parents accountable once in while]?

Sex is fun, but it’s not just for fun. Stupidity has consequences killing off the consequence is not the way to deal with it.

How to stop them?

February 11th, 2011
3:37 pm

Another suggestion – Require a license to have children. Most people are too stupid to procreate anyway. That is what is really wrong with this country. Too many idiots.

jconservative

February 11th, 2011
3:37 pm

Cynthia, once again I will agree with your basic premise.

For example you say “…among the programs in the crosshairs of GOP budget-cutters is Women, Infants and Children (commonly known as WIC), which provides nutritional supplements to pregnant women and their babies.”

I am not in love with this particular program, but it is an example of an attempt to deal with a problem.

I long ago came to the conclusion that if we ever use the police power of the state to force the birth of conceived children, then we should also use the police power of the state to guarantee the health of those children.

But as of today, we do not use the police power of the state to force the birth of all conceived children. And attempts by the state to provide for the health of born children are a hodgepodge of local and federal programs that are at best a sieve. And subject to the political whims of the day.

We have one end of the political spectrum wanting only to care for children before they are born, and the other end of the political spectrum wanting only to care for children after they are born.

And I agree the Catholic Bishops (USCCB) seems to be the only organization trying to care for all human life, both pre-born and post-born. So at the present time, they get a check from me every year.
My small attempt to not only talk the talk, but to walk the walk.

Eugene Gillespie

February 11th, 2011
3:38 pm

If delusional religious nut-jobs bbelieve life begins at conception with a “soul,” then do identical twins only have half a soul since the egg divides after conception? Thank god that god does not exist and blasphemy is a victimless crime. Ever notice that the precious ten commnadments say nothing about slavery, human trafficking, child abuse, rape, etc… Pathetic bronze age nonsense.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

February 11th, 2011
3:38 pm

Just because your dad sucked doesn’t mean all dad’s suck ‘How to stop them?’

How to stop them?

February 11th, 2011
3:39 pm

No, a Fetus is a multi-cell organism. It can’t talk. Idiot.

Hooray for Cynthia

February 11th, 2011
3:40 pm

Right on, Cynthia. Couldn’ have said it better myself.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:40 pm

The Oddball

I missed Viet Nam because Nixon ended the war. I was number nine in the draft , but I didn’t have to go. Nixon ran, BOTH times on fighting the Democratically controlled congress to end the war and that is exactly what he did.

Say what you want, but Kennedy sent in the first combat troops and Johnson escalated the war to it’s peak levels. What you think of Nixon is reflected in what you said, but like it or not, it was NIXON that ended the war.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:43 pm

How to stop them?

So if a human can’t talk, we kill them?

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:44 pm

How to stop them?

- -No, a Fetus is a multi-cell organism.- -

So are you.

pro-Ragnar

February 11th, 2011
3:44 pm

Very well said, Ragnar. Apparently the pro-choice contingent cares about future under-nourished children to the extent that they’d rather kill them in order to save them from hunger pangs…man, that’s some tough love. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water (pun intended)…perverse indeed.

Roe and Wade

February 11th, 2011
3:46 pm

Let’s all argue about abortion!!! I can promise you that not one comment on this blog is going to change the mind of a single person. But Ms. Tucker’s point is right on. The same people who want to outlaw abortion and force women into having children are usually the same people who rail against welfare babies.

Keep in mind that if abortion were outlawed there would be many children born into abusive homes.

Elliot Garcia

February 11th, 2011
3:46 pm

It is murder Cynthia, plain and simple….

John

February 11th, 2011
3:49 pm

The death penalty is murder…will Republicans’ next introduce a bill to ban the death penalty?

Mike K.

February 11th, 2011
3:49 pm

Cynthia essentially claims that you can’t oppose welfare and still care about kids. I can easily turn her argument around and say that liberals don’t really care about kids because, while they support welfare, they also support abortion. I don’t think either argument is particularly persuasive.

As for my personal take on abortion, I think few people would argue with the statement that it should be illegal to kill people. I’m not sure when babies cease being clusters of cells and become “persons”, but I am sure that there’s no particularly good reason to use birth as the bright line in the sand between personhood and non-personhood. I’m also sure that the law should err on the side of preventing the murder of persons. If newborns are persons (some would argue otherwise, but I am not one of them), then I think the line should be drawn much earlier. Perhaps abortion should be entirely illegal, perhaps it should be illegal after the first trimester – I think reasonable people can disagree. However, I think it’s pretty clear that abortion on demand, right up until brith is abhorrent and should be illegal.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:49 pm

Roe and Wade

- -Keep in mind that if abortion were outlawed there would be many children born into abusive homes.- -

And there would be many children who weren’t. How many MLKs are we killing? How many people that could cure cancer with their intellect that we never allow to flourish.

You think a lot like Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood. (That’s not a compliment)

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:51 pm

John

So you equate an unborn baby to someone convicted of murder.

I have to say: that’s pretty crazy.

Ground hog day

February 11th, 2011
3:51 pm

Maybe Cynthia’s collegue, Bob Barr is right this time. Maybe they should stop teaching the four F’s in elementary school, and that could stem the tide of abortions. Education IS the key here. We have to stop learnin’ kids the four F’s.

If not, we’re finished.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

February 11th, 2011
3:51 pm

Eugene, just because your to dumb to understand cosmology doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist, it just means you have no concept of understand logic…Don’t feel bad, my dog doesn’t get it either. Nimrod.

TGT

February 11th, 2011
3:53 pm

Another myth from the left: Pro-lifers don’t care about poor children (that are born). Of course nothing could be further from the truth, but the left needs some kind of retort for being called “baby killer.” The fact is (as I have noted before), conservative Christians are MUCH more generous/charitable with their OWN resources (material, time, etc.) than liberals are. What most of us oppose is billions in taxes (that we can’t really afford) that go for “social” programs that don’t really have the effect that they should, and which the Dems use to purchase votes.

Reality Check

February 11th, 2011
3:54 pm

Pro-Choice is MURDER!!!!! Baby murder as a form of birth control? You people are immoral. History will regard you the same as we do Nazis!!!!

MC

February 11th, 2011
3:55 pm

Cynthia: I’m NOT a right wing Christian Republican, but I am a few generations younger than you. Though my generation is thankful for the women’s lib movement of your generation, technology has opened our eyes to the reality of a fetus. When you can see a heartbeat on an ultrasound as early as 5 weeks, it’s hard for our generation of women to believe that abortion is acceptable. It’s getting more difficult for women to tell themselves that it’s not really a baby in there. SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY are challenging the abortion debate for my generation of women more than the GOP and religion. Studies have shown that more liberal (non-religious) women of this generation are having a hard time justifying abortion as being acceptable.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
3:55 pm

Mike K.

My problem is in killing a baby after it becomes “self aware”.

There are tests that can determine that since all babies mature at different rates.

But as long as the teachings of the reverse eugenics champion Margaret Sanger are followed that is not going to happen. She championed abortions to hold down the minority population and wow, has it really worked. We kill so many more Brown and Black babies than we do White babies.

The racist democrats will never change.

John

February 11th, 2011
3:57 pm

Easy solution…several states now have child safe haven laws. Let all women who would otherwise choose to have an abortion (for whatever reason) surrender the child over to the authorities which would then become the government’s responsibility to raise and financially support those kids until they become adults. Of course, that would mean raising taxes to care for them.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 11th, 2011
3:57 pm

repeat after me; the GOP is not “pro life”. The GOP is “anti-abortion”. Planned Parenthood, et al are not “pro choice”. Planned Parenthood, et al are “pro abortion”. I hate to counter the arrogance on both sides (”we care about unborn babies…” “we care about a woman’s right to choose”), but this issue is no different than the Second Amendment, the Death Penalty, or immigration. namely; LIFE itself has no value beyond a vote of yeah or nay.

Idiot Republicans

February 11th, 2011
3:57 pm

You “Republicans” are just as worse or maybe more now than the democrats. You all cry about all these things that needs to be done and how they would be once you get into office. Now that some of you are in there, you are having grade school fights and picking the DUMBEST battles possible to fight.You like to point out things about the liberals, but when so MANY of your kind have their secrets come to light you get quiet like you forgot how to speak or something. I think both sides are stupid and I can’t identify with either until you all start acting like adults.

LJ

February 11th, 2011
3:57 pm

Safe, legal and RARE. Clinton said it best. Republicans and democrats need to focus on the economy, jobs and the deficit both at the federal and state level. Access to birh control and education in the proper use of birth control is essential to lowering the abortion rate. Certainly, shrill retoric on both sides of this issue does not help.

This is just politics as usual

No name used

February 11th, 2011
3:58 pm

@CT “generally speaking, there’s a glaring contradiction in the ideology of anti-abortion proponents: They are passionate about the fetus but indifferent — if not hostile — to actual babies who need a generous social safety net. The same voters who protest Roe vs. Wade usually oppose traditional welfare for poor women, government-funded health care benefits for impoverished children and housing subsidies for poor families. Indeed, among the programs in the crosshairs of GOP budget-cutters is Women, Infants and Children (commonly known as WIC), which provides nutritional supplements to pregnant women and their babies.

You really don’t get it do you. It is about 3 words:PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and MORALITY. I personally have no problem with WIC, and I have no problem providing for a child. The problem is not the kids-they are the innocents, but they are being used in many cases (not all) as a meal ticket by their sorry parents. Not all people in the projects, or on assistance are sorry people. I am addressing the ones that are, and use the fact that they have a child as an excuse to not go get a check and food stamps rather than work for it. Then they turn around and have more because then their checks increase. That is what conservatives have a problem with.

If you can’t feed it, don’t breed it. If you are not married, keep your legs together. If you do get pregnant and it is not a wanted child, carry it to term and put that baby up for adoption, don’t kill it because you can’t be bothered to carry it and have the responsibility for 9 months. The mother could take her big girl panties off to make that baby, she can durn well put them on to take care of that baby, either by getting and keeping a job and raising that child or giving the child up for adoption.
And th father…oh, don’t get me started. Be a man and stand by your family. Don’t be a little boy who runs from responsibility.

As for the social safety nets, I don’t think anyone has a problem giving someone that has fallen on hard times a hand up, but when it becomes a hand out and the recipient refuses to get back up and try to make a better life for themselves, then it is a problem. In case you think I don’t know of which I speak, I have been there and done that. I was a stupid 17 yr old who said “but I love him” and got pregnant, then got married and had my child. We didn’t go on welfare. He worked and I took care of the home, and we got help from our parents. When he left, I got a job and worked and went to school to take care of myself and my child. I needed help temporarily, and it was there, for which I am grateful, and glad to pay it forward. Fast forward 20 yrs, I work, pay taxes, and have 4 children, and am not on welfare. That is the way a HAND UP is supposed to work. Too many people use welfare as a total income scheme and that is just wrong.

Bottom line is the child should not have to pay for the mistakes of the parent with either death in the womb or a craptastic existence in the projects and the parents should act like parents and step up. It used to be that a couple that got in trouble was ashamed and tried to make up for that, but now, they act like it is cool to have illegitimate children.

Real American

February 11th, 2011
4:00 pm

Everyone knows the GOP only uses abortion to conveniently rile up their base but have no intentions to overthrow Roe v Wade.

agree and disagree

February 11th, 2011
4:01 pm

I personally do not believe in abortion except for cases of rape, incest or threat to the mother. That being said, I also do not like the attitudes, behavior and actions of several pro-life people I know. Your belief does not give you the right to blow up clinics or kill medical personnel, and instead of standing outside clinics yelling harshly at these pregnant women, how about walking up them, embracing them, and taking them in and helping them out? All the money that the pro-life movements spends trying to make abortion illegal would accomplish a whole lot more spent on outreach to troubled youth, homes for unwed mothers, and education. I do have a pet peeve about Planned Parenthood, though. I know a young girl who eventually came to me for help and she said her first visit was to PP and they never mentioned the long list of organizations who DO help unwed mothers who want to deliver the child. The only thing she was told was to abort it and how easy it was and there was no explanation of the possible consequences to her health or her emotional well being. And regardless of how screwed up and wrong the parents are for having kids they are not able to raise properly, that’s NOT the kids fault. And don’t tell me Republicans aren’t trying to close WIC and other programs. They don’t want any of their tax money going to help people. They got theirs and they don’t care a whit about anybody else. TRUE pro-life people cherish all lives, even black ones and brown ones and poor ones. You aren’t allowed to decide which lives count–that’s up to God.

John

February 11th, 2011
4:01 pm

@Nothing Is Free

I’m not equating the 2…I’m just saying murder is murder. People bring up God and the Bible when discussing abortion…doesn’t the Bible talking about turning the other cheek, etc.

Real American

February 11th, 2011
4:02 pm

Wingnuts, here is a fact. Abortion is not going anywhere. If a woman does not want to carry a baby to term, she won’t. The end. There is absolutely nothing you can do to stop her, nothing.

Todd

February 11th, 2011
4:02 pm

Tucker you are deranged and you need help. If you really think that conservative anti-abortion people are not really pro-life because they expect parents – and not the rest of the taxpayers – to support their children financially then you are crazy or you are running out of things to argue about. We will fight abortion every where we can because everyone has a right to life and we will require parents to pay for their upbringing. This is what any sane person would deem just. Thank god we are taking our country back from you loonies.

Ted

February 11th, 2011
4:04 pm

Do people not know what makes babies? If you can’t afford the condom then you can’t afford a child and should not be having sex because guess what, it can lead to a child. Those condoms are a lot cheaper then an abortion or a baby. People need to think about the consequences of their actions before having sex rather then after. Abortion should in no way be a form of birth control.

Harry Callahan

February 11th, 2011
4:07 pm

“But since staging futile votes to repeal health care reform”

We’ll find out how futile thoes efforts were when the Democrat senators who voted “no” on the repeal bill get voted out in 2012 and the Republicans take over the Senate.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
4:07 pm

Real American that apparently survived Roe V Wade

You are absolutely right.

We killed over a million US citizens last year.

Doesn’t that make you proud?

curt

February 11th, 2011
4:08 pm

I’m glad to see someone pointing out the selfishness of many anti abortionists who beat their chest about saving the unborn, then leave the responsibility of rising, feeding , educating and caring for them to others.

Ralexa

February 11th, 2011
4:09 pm

As if the anti-abortion crowd can stop any Ob-Gyn from performing a D&C in their office. You can’t. You can’t stop abortion because the same procedure is used for more than just terminating a pregnancy, and any Ob-gyn will still do one no matter how much you try to stop it. So while idiots are running around gunning for planned parenthood, those nice Gynecologists up in Buckhead and Alpharetta performing abortions right this second on Tiffany and Amber.

Harry Callahan

February 11th, 2011
4:10 pm

“It’s no mystery why abortion rates are much lower in Western Europe”

Because Western Europe doesn’t have miserably failing public schools like we do?

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
4:10 pm

curt

others . . . like . . . parents?

Ralexa

February 11th, 2011
4:12 pm

Nothing Is Free, it makes me proud to know that a woman can decide for herself what she wants to do with regards to a pregnancy.

Sandy K

February 11th, 2011
4:14 pm

Good column, Cynthia. You’re correct on all counts. And predictably, out come the wingnuts who think it’s fine to shoot doctors to death through their kitchen windows.
Hey folks…it’s the economy!! Remember? And the right-wing has NO solution either.

buck@gon

February 11th, 2011
4:15 pm

To difuse this already splattered bomb of illogic and crackpot analysis would be a waste of time. The argument that only people who care about poor kids can oppose abortion is disastrous enough to give anyone an example of how pig-headed you are.

CC, you have revealed the truth of PT Barnum. There is a sucker born every minute. You’d better hope they have advertising dollars to spend on your rag. Prediction 1: CC will end debate in a few minutes because she does not want this load of crap sitting out there with more reasonable yet disparaging comments piling on over the weekend.

Prediction 2: CC will have her peon programmers tighten security at her website so that only CC will be able to be anything resembling “mean” with her decidedly monstrous comments.

kimmer

February 11th, 2011
4:19 pm

I do not know one person that is against abortion on demand that does not also care deeply about the health and welfare of children. Many I know donate their time and money to help those who need it. There is a very good reason why so many are for reducing traditional government welfare as it creates a vicious cycle that actually traps more children then their children in a culture of poverty.

In any case, comparing the murder of an innocent human with providing care is a dangerous concept. Its essentially making the decision for them that they are better off dead than growing up poor. What’s next? Mandatory euthanasia for old people when they can not longer take care of themselves?

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:19 pm

Where does personal responsibility ever come in?

Don’t get knocked up if you’re not ready to take care of a child.

Is this so mean of me to say?

T-Town

February 11th, 2011
4:20 pm

Ms. Tucker; Having been raised Catholic (and now a non practicing Catholic) I can tell you that the majority of Catholics are Democrats and are against abortion. The fight might not just with the GOP Pro-Lifers, but many of your own party members may also be fighting Pro Choice.

Libertarian

February 11th, 2011
4:21 pm

“call a truce on the so-called social issues”

I know most of the lefties on the blog, including CT, can’t stand him…but Boortz was talking about this today. Essentially saying the Republican party is going to shoot themselves in the foot if they don’t cool it with the extreme social crap. And I definitely agree.

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:23 pm

Excellent point, kimmer

AmVet

February 11th, 2011
4:23 pm

One drive by comment, then I’ll leave blog return back to the self-righteous sophists.

Anybody who asserts that abortion is murder knows absolutely zero about the legal definition of murder. And cheapens it horribly with their Republispeak and psychobabble.

Secondly all of you Oliver Wendell Holmes should immediately notify every court in the land from the United States Supreme Court on down that they have earth-shattering news that will change decades of established law!!

Good luck and good night…

Libertarian

February 11th, 2011
4:24 pm

“traditional welfare for poor women, government-funded health care benefits for impoverished children and housing subsidies for poor families”

No, what some people don’t understand is why these “poor women” get pregnant if they can’t afford a child. Its called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY Cynthia…I don’t want to pay for other peoples lack of it.

Bushie

February 11th, 2011
4:24 pm

Enter your comments here

Bushie

February 11th, 2011
4:25 pm

Tucker calling someone a hypocrite is really rich.

Get It Right

February 11th, 2011
4:25 pm

Well, even though it was an illogical, hysterical rant based total on emotions and devoid of any factual basis, CT actually wrote an entire blog without cutting and pasting someone else’s work. Someone has been paying attention, haven’t we CT?

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:27 pm

Abortion was never about “women’s rights.” It was about convincing “undesirables” to kill their unborn babies so that minorities would be held down.

Welfare had the same initial goal.

Yet now toadies like Cynthia claim that both are beacons of hope for the nation’s poor.

The ability to kill your babies and a handout are NOT helping anyone…look at the statistics.

Better yet, look at your neighborhood.

saywhat?

February 11th, 2011
4:28 pm

This has nothing to do with wedge issues or the social wars, and everything to do with jobs.

Republicans are trying to increase the number of jobs in the daycare and childcare sectors. Just think of all the new carseats that will have to be sold, along with formula and baby food, diapers etc. They are pure geniuses, those Republicans!

Tommy

February 11th, 2011
4:29 pm

Cynthia,
Have you ever thought of the idea of teaching abstinence instead of the use of birth control? You talk about high birth rates but you fail to mention the values of a good home life and the values of not being sexual active before you are ready to establish a home. Is this what you teach your children? Are these the values you spread in your community? That it is alright to have sex as long as you are using a condom or on the pill? Is this the real message that you want to spread?
Has society become so liberal that we now say sex is okay as long as the government provides condoms and pills? Is that the message we are now to teach our little boy “You carry this condom and have sex with any girl” and to our little girl “you lay down with any guy as long as you take this pill”? Is this the message that you want to send? You are sending this message just because of funding.
I know you are liberal but instead of complaining about funding why don’t you preach about the real problem. The real problem is the kids are having SEX. The parents don’t care because they done the same thing at the same age. How many single black moms are there out there today? How many single white moms are there out there today? All because we as parents are not doing our jobs as parents and teaching these kids to say NO … NO ….. NO …. You say it the Governments fault. Well it is not. It is the sorry parents fault. I did not have a kid out of wed lock and neither did my kids. Grow up and tell these sorry moms and dads to do the same thing.

Libertarian

February 11th, 2011
4:30 pm

I do, for the most part, agree with CT’s premise. Republicans (not all, but most) talk out of both sides of their mouths. They are “pro-life” but don’t want to help the poor children once they get here and that is hypocritical. They are against teaching same sex and giving out condoms in schools but, again, don’t want to pay for welfare and WIC. As I said above, I do not want to pay for welfare and WIC either…that is why I’m pro-choice. I also think birth control and/or condoms should be accessible and cheap/free to high school kids. Even taking it a step further than the issue of WIC and welfare….once these unwanted and un-cared-for children grow up they will probably result to crime because their parents are unable to support them. Its a vicious cycle.

DD

February 11th, 2011
4:33 pm

The key words here are FEDERAL FUNDING or free very late birth cntrol. The ho’s can abort all they want I just dodn’t want to pay for it. C.T. why dodn’t you and your ilk focus on black on black and black on white crime.

Cynthia is a hater

February 11th, 2011
4:34 pm

“Tea partiers, in fact, don’t represent a political force driven by new concerns but, rather, a coalition of ultra-conservatives tearing pages from a very old playbook.”

That is 100% BULL!!!! I am a Tea Partier, and I know a lot of others. And none of them give a damn about “conservative” social issues, including not a single one being pro-life. And then there’s the CPAC conference where a big party was thrown for GOProud (that’d be gay conservatives).

When you write stuff like this, it’s obvious you’re too dense to understand anything other than stark black and white issues, nor are you capable of actually understanding someone else’s opinions. It’s far easier for you to make up what you think other people think, and write about that, rather than find out what other people actually think.

As far as economics, you are right, the Tea Party is playing out of an old playbook. It’s what used to be called “liberal economics” before the Democrats changed the term liberal from supporting freedom to supporting control over everything from a central authority.

From a pro-lifers standpoint, abortion is murder. And last I checked, murder is worse than not giving out free money to people who are irresponsible and unable to take care of themselves, as well as the children they never should have had because they aren’t responsible enough to have sex, and probably wouldn’t if the “liberal” Hollywood wasn’t making so much money by pushing sex as a meaningless, unimportant thing.

Eugene Gillespie

February 11th, 2011
4:34 pm

I love dead babies! Every time a baby dies, an angel gets its wings.

SouthGaDawg

February 11th, 2011
4:34 pm

Notice how CT has run off and hid again…

Steven Q. Stanley

February 11th, 2011
4:35 pm

Abortion is great, every welfare baby that gets aborted is one less my tax dollars and money borrowed form China has to pay for. Would love to see our abortion rate go up.

Rickster

February 11th, 2011
4:35 pm

Libertarian

February 11th, 2011
4:35 pm

Tommy

You might be in denial.You can teach children those things but there will still be some who experiment and have sex either way. Don’t get me wrong…I think in a perfect world that would work and kids wouldn’t have sex until they were old enough to support a child…but I’m a realist and I know that’s not the case.

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:36 pm

Tommy,
You’re onto something but you’re not striking the heart of the issue. Mothers and fathers need to be real moms and dads.

I am sorry to say that black men are abandoning their families at rates never before seen in the history of this planet.

Little boys who grow up without their dads don’t understand the importance of being good dads themselves, and the beat goes on…

I was fortunate to have a dad who taught me what it is to be a real man.

My girlfriend became pregnant and I was man enough to become a dad.

Should we have not been having premarital sex in the first place? Yes. But we’re human, we make mistakes.

What makes a real man is owning up to your mistakes and taking responsibility for them.

I pray for my people, and our country in general. I pray that no more little boys and girls have to grow up without a real family life.

And I curse toadies and stooges like Cynthia who want to pass the blame to others.

Without RESPONSIBILITY, we are no better than apes.

Eugene Gillespie

February 11th, 2011
4:36 pm

Yes, please abort more “babies!” It makes the evangelical rednecks cry. I love it.

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:38 pm

Don’t get me wrong, white “men” are also dropping the ball, but I am especially embarrassed at how my own people are throwing their children’s futures down the drain.

David S

February 11th, 2011
4:38 pm

They only care about babies in the womb of american women. They have no problem supporting the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi children with illegal and immoral sanctions, the killing of thousands of Iraqi children and pregnant woman courtesy of shock and awe or 8 years of brutal occupation, the killing of thousands of Afghani children and pregnant women from the same, or hundreds of Pakistani children and pregnant women from Predator drone strikes.

You only matter to the anti-abortion crown if you are american. Otherwise, you are just “collateral damage”.

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:38 pm

Eugene,
You need serious help.

You and Steven Q. should join a support group.

SMH

February 11th, 2011
4:38 pm

Lauryn Hill starts off one of her songs with the line “Adam lives in theory/trying to turn stone to bread/masquerading like he’s got it figured out…” It is a privilege to be able to sit and postulate about what is theoretically the right thing to do for someone else to with their lives. It is only until, however, that you have held the hand of a woman who knows her father will kill her for her pregnancy, until you have been the woman who has been told that she has a fetal anomaly so severe that the pregnancy must end now, or until you have struggled with the same choice yourself for reasons that are all your own that you understand the gravity of it. And there is the critical issue; it is a choice. No one is telling us we can’t smoke in our own homes when there are children present, even though we know the risks are significant. There are choices that we make where no outcome will be good, but we are still left to choose.

And it is not hypocritical to note someone’s concern with life pre-birth but not post. Why are we against abortion but pro-war? Its ok to kill non-americans (even innocent civilians), and ok for americans to die in that mission, but abortion is singularly always wrong? If you support life, then support LIFE. Support social programs that lead to a healthy society, even if it doesn’t immediately seem to benefit you (gasp!). Support diplomacy instead of war. Support politicians that don’t use violent language and imagery to rally their base. Support global de-militarization. Support gun control. Support life. Otherwise all you are supporting is underdeveloped simplistic, glib, theory. God help you when real life steps in and shows you where minocular theory cannot be practically applied.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

February 11th, 2011
4:39 pm

Apes don’t kill their babies…..

Seriously?

February 11th, 2011
4:40 pm

For all of you “human life begins at conception” anti-abortion folks, where is the outrage over birth control pills? After all, they prevent fertilized eggs from implanting post conception. Doesn’t this fit your definition of “abortion?”

Also, please stop pretending that a zygote and a fully-developed infant are the same. They’re not, and insisting that they are is preposterous. Abortion stops a group of cells from developing into a person under the right circumstances; that is NOT the same as killing a person. At some point, the fetus is developed enough that it should not be able to be aborted, but pretending that point is reached upon conception, or even in the weeks that immediately follow, is just willfully ignorant.

Eugene Gillespie

February 11th, 2011
4:41 pm

Too bad Jesus was not aborted.

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:41 pm

David S,
That is a very broad stroke you make with your assertion.

There are plenty of us who oppose violence of ALL kinds, against our own unborn children as well as against complete strangers in other parts of the world.

While I certainly don’t support neo-cons, there is a new conservative movement, rooted in a more libertarian way of thinking led by Ron Paul, that is moving into the mainstream.

We believe in personal responsibility and peaceful resolution.

Cynthia is a dumb racist negro

February 11th, 2011
4:41 pm

Why do blacks have the highest rate of infanticide in this country?

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:43 pm

Seriously?,
But you do agree we have to draw the line somewhere, right? You don’t believe full-term fetuses should be killed, while I believe that fetuses after a couple of weeks shouldn’t be killed. We are only disagreeing on a relatively small time frame here.

Eugene Gillespie

February 11th, 2011
4:43 pm

They are delusional theists. They really believe that there is a god and it cares about a non-viable grouping of cells that does not experience pain. I say all christians should be forced to have abortions.

Libertarian

February 11th, 2011
4:43 pm

“After all, they prevent fertilized eggs from implanting post conception”

Not exactly. They prevent ovulation…therefore there is no egg to be fertilized. What you are talking about is the “morning after” pill.

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:45 pm

“Why do blacks have the highest rate of infanticide in this country?”
__________________________
Because, unfortunately, we are too often not taught that we have value. The same reason blacks are disproportionately in jail. We have fallen into a vicious cycle of children growing up without responsible parents who then abandon their own families.

Don’t just write this off as a black problem. This is an American problem. We are Americans too.

Pray for our country and everyone in it.

joe

February 11th, 2011
4:46 pm

The sub line was: “Do pro-lifers really care about babies?”

It should have read: “Why dont pro-choicers care about babies?”

RambleOn84

February 11th, 2011
4:48 pm

Eugene,
You have a lot of hate built up inside you.

I’d be willing to bet your parents either weren’t around or were themselves irresponsible wastes. It is not your fault, Eugene…your parents let you down.

But there is good news. It is never too late to make something of yourself and shun all manners of hate.

Rafe Hollister

February 11th, 2011
4:53 pm

It is my body and I can do what I want with it, say the Pro Abortion Democrat loving woman.

It is my body and I don’t want health insurance, says a freedom loving individual. You are required to have health insurance says the Dems.

Speaking of hypocristy Sin-thee, it cuts both ways.

Rafe Hollister

February 11th, 2011
4:55 pm

hypocrisy vice hypocristy, although I have known some hippo Christys.

???

February 11th, 2011
4:56 pm

Enter your comments here

SMH

February 11th, 2011
4:57 pm

All this theoretical talk is killing me (no pun intended). I charge the most sanctimonious of you, the “just have it and put it up for adoption” folk, to take a foster child or two in yourselves. That’s where the rubber meets the road. “Of course I care about unwanted babies!” Then show them. Lets reduce the rolls of unwanted non-white children and teens languishing in foster care now. Foster care and adoption agencies should not be treated like the garbage dumps of society either. We should not encourage women to feel like they can just abandon their babies to a system that is already overwrought like that is some sort of morally acceptable solution. Abandonment is shameful, and encouragement of it is worse. Stop trying to impose your own moral code on the rest of the world.

RGB

February 11th, 2011
4:57 pm

I love all these columns variously titled as “Do Conservatives Really Care About…..Clean Air, Babies, Apple Pie, The Unemployed, Clean Underwear, Deficits, The Economy”, etc.

While these columns are designed to be provocative and to put right-thinking people on the defense, they really do neither.

Instead, I marvel at the fact that these columns never ask whether Democrats/Liberals care about any of these topics.

With a trail of 30 million+ dead babies on its collective conscience, the Democrat party owns the liability of this issue.

And nobody ever asks “Do Democrats Really Care About Babies?” That simple fact tells you everything you need to know about Democrats.

Seriously?

February 11th, 2011
4:58 pm

Ramble, it may be relatively small, but it’s crucial. I mean, if it’s truly that small, why do you disagree with my belief that abortion is acceptable up until a certain point?

Libertarian, you’re right. I mixed the two up for a moment. Apologies.

DC

February 11th, 2011
5:00 pm

Tucker’s belief that pro-lifers don’t care about babies is an oft-repeated but ABSOLUTELY groundless claim. There are thousands of crisis pregnancy centers in the US run by pro-lifers (inspired usually by their Christian faith) that help with with pre-natal care and assistance both during and after the pregnancy. NO ONE EVER MENTIONS THIS. Planned Parenthood sells a load of BS to vulnerable women and kills their child for a few hundred dollars. And a large percentage of aborted children in the US are black. Doesn’t that bother you, Ms. Tucker? By the way, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, wanted it that way. She was a eugenicist who believed that blacks should not be allowed to reproduce.

RGB

February 11th, 2011
5:03 pm

Eugene,

You seem intent on achieving eternal separation from Almighty God.

I strongly urge you to reconsider. If your bet on the non-existence of God is wrong, the price you pay will be more than you can bear.

It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.’”

todd tomorrow

February 11th, 2011
5:05 pm

Too bad men can not get pregnant. Then birth control would be inexpensive, if not free. And abortions, well, I imagine it would become less of an issue in politics, or else Rep Boehner would never stop crying – for the rights of the pregnant men.

Cindy

February 11th, 2011
5:05 pm

@Seriously?
Thank you! I couldn’t agree more.

And furthermore, why must everything boil down to “pro-life”, “anti-abortion”, or even “pro-abortion”? Isn’t the basic right that of a woman’s right to choose? I doubt many of you who launch rocks with your words have ever been in such a terrifying situation. Sure, you can say things like “if you can’t afford the baby, don’t put yourself in that position” and stuff, but accidents can happen. Those $1 condoms some talk about aren’t ALWAYS fool-proof. And abstinence education? That’s only been proven to not work. (Though I wish it did, honestly.) But simply put, we were designed to procreate. I mean, come on–there’s a reason that it’s so much fun!! So to say that people “shouldn’t do it” isn’t going to help anything. And I agree with others who bring up arguments about the death penalty, birth control, and other ideas that seem to conflict with the black and white thoughts of many on here. There’s no easy decision, but I feel that it should still be the woman’s right to decide what happens to her body. Until men understand what it is like to face that fear (and they can’t run away from it!), carry a child to term (and experience all of the aches, pains, nausea, and general toll it takes on the body), deliver the baby (as Bill Cosby said, pull your bottom lip over the top of your head, and you MIGHT have a slight idea of the pain that women go through during childbirth), then RAISE the child–well–who are you to say what I can and cannot do with my own body?

TallaDawg

February 11th, 2011
5:05 pm

Allowing abortions does not force anyone to have an abortion, but outlawing abortion forces people not to have an abortion. How is interferring with reproduction not big government interference? (Rather than abortion “on demand,” I am much more in favor of strong promotion of birth control in schools, etc.)

???

February 11th, 2011
5:06 pm

Cynthia

Please ban the racist that commented @ 4:41! Well… There are a TON of racist & full blown uneducated idiots commenting.

What a woman chooses to do with her body is her business AS LONG AS she is NOT using abortions as birth control. TOO many children out here(black,white, hispanic etc) that are not cared for properly because they weren’t wanted. Why should these children be brought into this world with no love just to grow to repeat the cycle? Most of you pro life ppl need to stfu & mind your business cause what someone chooses to do with their life is their business!
Mistakes DO happen!

TallaDawg

February 11th, 2011
5:07 pm

Thanks, Cindy.

Red

February 11th, 2011
5:12 pm

CT – I would love to invite you to a number of evangelical churches who would love to prove you wrong. Just because a conservative does not support certain programs does not mean they do not support a woman and her child. There are numerous churches and religious organizations who have stepped up to actually do more than hand over a check. If you would get out of your liberal attack bubble, you’d notice these groups. A number of evangelical churches and groups have led the charge on foster care and adoption as well.

As one of these activists you label a hypocrite, I would love to sit down with you and show you government is not the solution for all of the ills in society. If you checked, you would see more fraud in many aspects in government programs in this arena. People are fed up with fraud. People are also fed up with handing money over to a problem instead of solving it. A check is great but that is as far as that goes. What of the other aspects beyond a check?

As for the contraception issue, you do realize that here in the US contraception is easily obtainable right? Comparing us to Western Europe on that front is plain ignorance. The people who have abortions have easy access whether cheap or free. It’s not a difference between countries. Pouring more money would not make a difference. The inner city, an area where more money goes into contraception than any other location has the highest rates of unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

CT – I invite you to get out into the real world some time. It will do you good. You may learn something. Perhaps sitting at the keyboard taking swipes at others all day, you’ve isolated yourself from reality. Your beliefs may hold on the AJC and HuffPo but not where the rest of the country sits.

Brother Lowell

February 11th, 2011
5:14 pm

Your heart is evil Cynthia, you must repent and become born again or you’re going straight to the pits of hell.

dmcsga

February 11th, 2011
5:15 pm

Sorry I can’t listen to the Republicans. They totally do not make sense.

If you are so admant in preserving life than you should also be just adamant to make sure that all these needs of a so called abortion is met as well. Don’t say you want the car but are not willing to make the payments and keep up maintenance.

If a woman decides that it would be better to abort due to rape or any other major implication but they want to force her to keep it than it should become the responsibility of those anti-abortionists.

I don’t agree in making an abortion a birth control, however there it should be an option after counseling.

Roll Tide!

February 11th, 2011
5:16 pm

Hypocritical Republicans, oh wait that’s an oxymoron, talking about karma!

Too funny. That made my day.

Have a great weekend all you “pea” brains.

Hastie

February 11th, 2011
5:16 pm

You’re right Chintheia, Obungle is no Reagan, he couldn’t hold his friggin jock, you’re such a dumb, arrogant wench, stupid hate filled black person is all you are. All your kind ever see is skin color, go away, the ajc should fire your sorry black rear.

Ramguy

February 11th, 2011
5:17 pm

Repubicraps strategy is the same as it was the 8 yrs Bush was in office…WMD…..weapons of mass distractions.

Phil Henry

February 11th, 2011
5:18 pm

We will never eliminate abortions by making them illegal. Look at the war on drugs for proof. We will never eliminate abortions by picketing abortion clinics or even bombing them. We can only eliminate abortions by attacking the root cause – unplanned pregnancies – through education. If abortion opponents REALLY cared about reducing the number of abortions, they would make sure that everyone who might have unprotected sex received the education they need to either decide not to have sex or use a contraceptive. Unfortunately, abortion opponents don’t really care about “the innocent unborn.” They really only care about forcing their “morals” (a term I use loosely) on other people. If you are truly anti-abortion, ask yourself what you have done to actually prevent someone else’s unplanned pregnancy. I bet it is nothing. Both sides of the argument are disingenuous. The pro-abortion crowd like Ms. Tucker claim that it is better to terminate a fetus rather than let it suffer hunger as a child. Honestly though, how many children in the U.S. really suffer from malnutrition, and further, would prefer to never have been born instead of feeling hungry? On the other hand, abortion foes want to control the behavior of other people, but not help them change the behavior that got them there in the first place. As always, education will be the only solution.

atlmom

February 11th, 2011
5:22 pm

Read freakonomics for an interesting perspective on this topic.

The question isn’t when life begins (everyone has a different answer) it’s whether you want abortions that take place to be legal or illegal.

But I do agree that there should be no federal funding for abortion, given the controversy this issue holds.

What about me?

February 11th, 2011
5:22 pm

Um…what a woman does with her body huh? Too many kids not wanted huh? Sorry kid. We don’t want you….bring me the forceps and scalpel and just slice the unwanted child up. Wow. What a civilization. We have no regard for humanity. We have no regard for human life. We don’t want you. Pull the plug. Cut them up.

The woman’s body? Her choice? I guess that poor unwanted child has no say about his or her body? His or her choice? Convenient. You make the mistake and someone else pays for it.

When humanity has no regard or concern for itself, humanity ceases to exist. We then become no different than some beast in the jungle that eats its young.

Brother Lowell

February 11th, 2011
5:23 pm

the only solution is repentance, it’s evil to ever murder an unborn child at any stage, God hates hands that shed innocent blood. Evil, Cynthia and all who think like her are evil, they have hearts of hate, and will all burn in hell unless they repent and believe on Jesus Christ.

Brother Lowell

February 11th, 2011
5:27 pm

One more thing, children are not a curse not something to shun. Birth control causes abortions. Just Google it on the internet and you’ll see.

Only a liberal

February 11th, 2011
5:29 pm

Only a liberal could make an argument for feeding babies while defending the right to kill babies!!!

Moderate Line

February 11th, 2011
5:31 pm

Cynthia this is a good article. If society wants to tell individuals that they can not abort children then society has a responsibility to ensure basic needs are meet. After all these children did not decide to be born. Also, if society is going to say that it is up to the individual whether they can have child then I have wonder why it is societies responsibility to ensure the child basic needs are meet.

Azazel

February 11th, 2011
5:32 pm

I’m going to buy stock in knitting needles and coat hangers.

Freedom Fighter

February 11th, 2011
5:33 pm

Lord, you really know how to court your audience when you pick your topics CT ; )

These crazies would debate you over your choice of cereal and you write about their most hated subject?!? You are correct however about the crazies not caring for the children once they’re born. The root of all of this to me is one party wanting the power to control another party; whether it’s drugs, sex, or abortion. How about all of you crazy people limit your influence to the people who you list as dependants on your tax returns and keep your laws off other people’s bodies!

Grandma

February 11th, 2011
5:34 pm

What about those women who are raped, or those who used birth control and it failed them, or those whose own life would be in danger if they got pregnant? There are exceptions to every rule.

Moderate Line

February 11th, 2011
5:34 pm

Only a liberal

Phil Henry

February 11th, 2011
5:18 pm
We will never eliminate abortions by making them illegal. Look at the war on drugs for proof.
+++
We don eliminate anything by making it illegal. That goes for murder, stealing, etc.

Brother Lowell

February 11th, 2011
5:34 pm

@ModerateLine,

You are wrong, people should be responsible for their own behavior and if they decided to have sex and a women gets preganant they raise the kid, i have never seen a needy kid denied Peachcare, have you?

Robert

February 11th, 2011
5:38 pm

It’s MURDER!!!!! Germany paid dearly for that Holocaust. The United States will too.

Rafe Hollister

February 11th, 2011
5:40 pm

I am ambivalent on the subject of abortion, since I am not a female. But what I can not justify in my mind is late term abortion. What is the difference in abortion and retroactive abortion. Why can you kill a viable 8.5 month gestating “fetus” legally, like Dr Tiller or the nutjob in Philadelphia, but you can’t kill a 2 week old child? How any of you on the left can justify late term infanticide is beyond me. What is the excuse, “I just found out I had been pregnant for 8 months”. If you did not want a child after carrying it for 8 months, chances are you didn’t want the child after carrying it for 2 months.

I do think people have a right to do as they please with their bodies, so don’t prosecute me for not having health insurance Mr Obama.

retired early

February 11th, 2011
5:42 pm

Eugene

Go get ‘um. I am so sick of “christians”….they believe a book of stories 2000 years old over modern science. Enough said…

SmittyATL

February 11th, 2011
5:44 pm

CT suggests that many opposed to abortion are hypocrites since some pro-lifers also oppose federal funding for WIC programs. I, for one, find abortion to be morally reprehensible. I also donate to charities that provide health and welfare services for needy children.

The federal government has clearly over-reached in many areas, as evidenced by its ineptitude in managing the budget. The feds simply cannot afford to provide the slew of services that many would like it to provide. That doesn’t mean that we citizens can’t or shouldn’t help those in need; we can all make charitable donations rather than sending more tax dollars to Washington and expecting the government to handle everything.

atlmom

February 11th, 2011
5:45 pm

Different religions view when ‘life’ begins differently. Be careful of putting your ideas on other people.

Irony

February 11th, 2011
5:48 pm

Freedom Fighter – I hate to break it to you but those “crazies” do quite a bit to help care for children that are unwanted. The ones who adopt and foster? Those crazies. The ones helping food banks and delivering food to poor single moms? Crazies.

It seems the selfish are the ones who just say kill the undesirable child. Then when the woman has medical issues due to abortion, sterilization, etc. those same people who “care” about that woman’s choice are the ones who do nothing.

And Cynthia – since you are such a caring loving soul, how many children have you adopted? How many do you foster? How many do you invite into your home and feed? You judge me based on a label that I do nothing? You do not know me. But yet you call me a hypocrite. I am not a betting person but I am willing to say I do far more than you to help these people you wave around to posture and make your point. You will exploit poor people and children to make a point to attack. But yet what do you do? Or do you just like exploiting the poor for your own personal cause?

John Daly

February 11th, 2011
5:48 pm

Why is it that if someone kills a pregnant woman then they can be charged with feticide but it’s okay for that same woman to have been on the way to an abortion. It’s only a child if the woman wants it?

So Safeway is okay giving a woman the wrong medication and potentially causing a miscarriage because it’s not a person anyway, just a bunch of cells?

Irony

February 11th, 2011
5:49 pm

retired early – modern science? I guess that modern science on global warming is really worth believing in huh?

Red

February 11th, 2011
5:53 pm

John Daly has a good point. It comes down to a “desire” to keep the child. If he is wanted, you can be charged with murder. If he is not, you can abort. We change labels based on want. It’s not a matter of a woman and her privacy. We have a standard on humanity and life no different than the Nazis. If they are undesirable, defective, etc. we just wipe them out. It’s “better” for society that we don’t have these “burdens” placed on us.

Brother Lowell

February 11th, 2011
5:53 pm

Modern science had done a lot of proving the Bible is indeed true. I am tired of liberals. Send them to Egypt so they can “enjoy” freedom.

jimmie

February 11th, 2011
5:59 pm

abort cynthia

Darlene

February 11th, 2011
6:00 pm

I believe it is my right to do as I please with my body, right Ms Cynthia? So tell, Miss Michelle to lay off my school lunch and my restaurant portions, I can be as fat as I want. P.s. my boyfriend likes my big caboose.

dave

February 11th, 2011
6:01 pm

Here’s another CONtradiction for you. From my experiences, most of those who oppose abortion also oppose reasonable gun control laws. Apparently it’s wrong to kill a being that has yet to live among others and establish close relationships, but ok to allow 30 round magazines and assault weapons to freely circulate and kill off our beloved fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters (Tucson). Remember – Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people. And for all you NRA types out there ready to give me a beat down with your second amendent, I am a gun owner.

Red

February 11th, 2011
6:05 pm

Dave on the flip side most who find it fine to kill in the name of abortion are against the death penalty. Why is it OK to kill the “innocent unwanted” but not the “guilty unwanted”? Aren’t these people are “burden” as well?

J Moore

February 11th, 2011
6:06 pm

Tucker is the best argument for legalized abortions I could EVER think of.
!

JesusFreak

February 11th, 2011
6:08 pm

Opposing “welfare for poor women” is actually a good thing. All that does – and this has been proven – is to create a multi-generational dependency on government handouts without lifting a finger. More children = more money. Killing babies in utero is no different from killing a toddler because he has become an inconvenience. The only difference is the location of the baby and the age. Oh, and the level of development. So it is justified to kill a baby in utero who is fully dependent but not okay to kill a five-day old baby who is equally dependent on a mother for survival? Justify that, in your mind, if you will. Murder is murder and no amount of justification will erase that. I pray one day God will soften your heart and open your eyes to the reality of your belief. How about the doctor that was pro-abortion until a little finger wrapped around his own finger while he was killing the baby in utero? He never killed another baby again after that. Abortion is an ugly industry that preys on women and does so much harm and mutilation, both physical and psychological, they are in it for the dollars they make, they hope you won’t know even half of what really goes on. They used to call the fetus “tissue” so the women wouldn’t feel guilt, until ultrasound came around to show just what a 7 week old “blob of tissue” looks like. Let’s not even get into what level of pain it feels. Our society is barbaric, and getting worse. If you’re going to kill a baby in utero, then it should be OK to kill toddlers too by the same standard. Oh, and the old and inform too, right?

kayaker 71

February 11th, 2011
6:09 pm

Read an actual case of a welfare mother in Chicago who is 24 and has 8 children. Her mother said that she was the breadwinner of the family. Here’s the scheme…… As each child was born, and added to the flock, the mother would petition the welfare Aid to Dependent Children in Chicago and tell the agency that she had too many kids to support and that she would have to release some of them to foster care. Then her mother would volunteer to place these kids in foster care with her being the foster parent. Each of them was worth 12K/yr. to the foster parent who was the mother’s mom. This mom was truly the breadwinner of the family until the scam was discovered. Wonder how many other scams of this type are going on using the children as pawns to make money? You just can’t make this stuff up.

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
6:10 pm

I am tired of liberals.

Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, sport.

reality check

February 11th, 2011
6:11 pm

Come on people, the Republicans have been whining about less government for 2 years, citizens complaining about the government telling them what top do. Let’s be rational and reasonable for a moment. Even if abortions were illegal, they would still be performed. Women with money or health insurance can check into a hospital for a d & c or any other procedure they want to call it. Poor women will have to visit back alleys and unsterilized procedures. People judging these women have rarely, if ever had to tell their child they had no food to put on the table. People judging need to leave judgement to God. Simply put, if you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one. However, it is nobody else’s business (especially a man) what I choose and that choice is my right.

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
6:12 pm

Read an actual case of a welfare mother in Chicago who is 24 and has 8 children.

St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun played the “welfare queen” card thirty years ago.

Time to get some new material.

Down in Albany

February 11th, 2011
6:13 pm

CT, you are a hysterical lunatic.

Moolah

February 11th, 2011
6:16 pm

Shove money at every problem and it all goes away….works for unemployment, welfare, education, etc. You gotta love the logic. “We can’t think of any other solution to the problem so here just take some money and hope all is right with the world.”

Rockerbabe

February 11th, 2011
6:20 pm

My reproductive abilities are none of your business and your reproductive abilities are none of my business. Keep your stinking, right-wing, women hating hands off of my body and my life. My reproduction is definitely none of the government’s business and neither is yours. All of the abortion business is nothing more than a power play against women in general. The old white guys and some crazy women seem to think they get to tell everyone else what to do, when to do it and then not pay for the priviledge. It seems that since the blacks cannot be ruled over any more as they have civil rights, and the GOP and its minions cannot keep the latinos out of the country, the old white male bridgate seems to think women are now the most easy target for their overlord tendicies. I think not.

kayaker 71

February 11th, 2011
6:22 pm

reality check,

I suppose that having an abortion is the only legal method of committing murder in this country. You have a right to murder your child if you want, by law. Over 1.27M people do it every year in this country and 92% are done because of “societal reasons”, that is, birth control. That’s the population of a not so small city. Every year. If some pox was killing people at the same rate every year, we would have a cow trying to root out the cause and put an end to this ” catastrophic event”. But it’s only a fetus, you know, something unwanted and unprepared for by mostly irresponsible people who just don’t give a good tinker’s damn about taking responsibility for their actions. It’s no secret what causes this. Correction….. there might be a few of our really unenlightened who really don’t know but I doubt it. Yeah, it’s your right to most anything you want within the limits of the law. But is it the right thing to do?

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
6:22 pm

Shove money Shout “tax cuts” at every problem and it all goes away….works for unemployment, welfare, education, etc. You gotta love the logic. “We can’t think of any other solution to the problem so here just take some money just shout ‘tax cuts’ and hope all is right with the world.”

Fixed your typos.

quod erat demonstrandum

February 11th, 2011
6:26 pm

It is strange that CT is pro-abortion, when the majority of the aborted are not white?

With two adopted children, I detest this liberal hate speech.

Oh Please!!!

February 11th, 2011
6:30 pm

I am Pro-life as well as being anti-abortion. (I guess CT is Pro-abortion and anti-life to follow her logic).

…This just in…Humanity has survived for thousands of years without the W-I-C program. Public outcries for Obama to assign a committee to determine if it is true.

kayaker 71

February 11th, 2011
6:33 pm

Rockerbabe,

Put the race card to rest. Abortion is not a racial event, although black women represent only 6% of the population in this country and have over 40% of all abortions performed. Makes you think that irresponsibility is taking a rest in the black community at a greater rate than in any other venue, n’est-ce pas?

0311/0317 -1811/1801

February 11th, 2011
6:33 pm

ctucker @ 2:58

“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”

No it’s NOT !

I stated that even if that was not done ……. it’s no excuse for taking a life.

So I guess we are in agreement then? Killing an unborn child is wrong and denying it basic sustenance (if the parents can’t or won’t) is wrong !

IBAR

February 11th, 2011
6:35 pm

Why is it that abortion is legal, yet if someone kills a woman who is pregnant that person will be tried for double homicide? That is hypocrasy if you are looking for it Cynthia. That tells me right there our law makers understand or at least did at some point that a baby in the womb is a life.

Cynthia..how can you not see that the hypocrasy you are calling out is equal on your side? You are arguing that you can’t have one stance (pro life) without the other(care for poor babies) yet you yourself do not have both either!

SmittyATL

February 11th, 2011
6:37 pm

Rockerbabe: I don’t want to interfere in any way with your reproductive abilities. I agree completely: what you do with your own body is none of my business, nor anyone else’s. There are many important women in my life, and I highly respect women’s rights.

But one right you should not have is to snuff out an innocent life. No matter how you spin it, that decision affects another human life — not just your body. Don’t be so self-centered.

Oh Please!!!

February 11th, 2011
6:40 pm

For me, the real pro-life/pro-choice debate is two seperate debates. Pro-Choice is about a “woman’s right to control her own body.” Whereas the Pro-Life is about the right to life of the unborn child.
I believe that to honestly answer each question, the root of the question is whether the fetus is a life or not. For if the fetus is a living being, how can abortion possibly be acceptable? For by definition it would be the killing of a life.

kayaker 71

February 11th, 2011
6:42 pm

Rockerbabe,

One more thing. I am an old white guy by your definition and do not want to have anything to do with your decisions about what you do with our body. It’s none of my business. You can be as irresponsible as you want in this country as to reproduction and not pay the piper for a single thing. But as a female and a potential mother, do you think that taking the life of someone who didn’t have anything to do with your decisions is the right thing to do? Sort of like an innocent bystander getting whacked in a drive by shooting. Never saw it coming. Never had the right to grow up as you did because you tossed it aside as a body issue. It’s not a body issue. It’s a kid issue.

bob's your uncle

February 11th, 2011
6:49 pm

Implant an IUD at puberty, and don’t remove it until the mother and father can pass a parenting test! If you need a license to drive a car, you should have a license to have a kid!

Moolah

February 11th, 2011
6:55 pm

No need to fix kamchuck. No typos. Just take money from people and throw it at others. We know money makes problems go away. It’s worked so well since the Great Society. Jack taxes up on the rich and just shove it into the poor areas. Forty acres and a mule right?

SmittyATL

February 11th, 2011
6:56 pm

“So I guess we are in agreement then? Killing an unborn child is wrong and denying it basic sustenance (if the parents can’t or won’t) is wrong !”

I agree with those statements. But — returning to the premise of CT’s post — the question then becomes HOW we pay for the children’s basic sustenance. Cynthia seems to think that using taxpayer funds, and hiring federal bureaucrats to administer government programs, is the only solution. My view is that the job can be done more fairly and efficiently by charitable organizations.

Middle of the road

February 11th, 2011
7:00 pm

I am female and personally would not have an abortion. But I also believe in individual liberty. It is not my place to tell another woman what she can or can’t do to her body and it is no one’s job to judge her for her choice.

HL

February 11th, 2011
7:00 pm

Killing of people is wrong – so get rid of the death penalty….hypocrites. I am not pro abortion, but also not a woman. Therefore – let the woman choose. What would the men say if a mainly female congress would pass a law that men that have unprotected sex and impregnate a woman need to get castrated…:) lol….

Irony

February 11th, 2011
7:01 pm

Rockerbabe says for me to keep my hands off her body. Perhaps if she said that before she got pregnant we wouldn’t be discussing abortion. Perhaps if she ran down to the quickie mart first before getting pregnant we wouldn’t be discussing it either.

Perhaps you need to keep your hands and decisions off the baby you abort. Instead of being selfish, make wise decisions ahead of time. Don’t take your irresponsible choices out on another human being. Your rights extend until they interfere with another. And that baby’s rights are being infringed.

As for keeping my hands off your body, you can keep your hands off my paycheck as well. Hands off goes across the board. Pay for your own birth control. Can’t afford it? Don’t do something that risks getting pregnant. Don’t make me pay for your choices. If I’m paying for your care and your well being, I have a say in the rest of your life choices as well. Or does your logic only work in certain instances?

SmittyATL

February 11th, 2011
7:06 pm

Middle: it’s not about her body, it’s about a baby’s life.

If a woman wants to dye her skin blue, insert jewelry in her eyebrows, or cut off her hand, it’s fine by me. Her body is her own business. But if she wants to end another human life, that’s not okay.

SmittyATL

February 11th, 2011
7:09 pm

If a woman wants to have a sex change operation (commonly called an “addadictomy”) that’s okay too. It’s her (his???) body.

ltruks

February 11th, 2011
7:10 pm

Wonder what the the health care cost are that are the result of the birth of those unintended babies.
Why complain about health care costs and it’s availability when the unborn’s right to life is paramount? Can’t have it both ways.

If abortion is murder, what is the denial of all the necessities of life that a child needs considered to be?

Maybe I am wrong but I don’t recall that murder was considered be a greater sin then lying, stealing or any sin in Bible.

Do you think that God will not forgive a woman for having an abortion, and have a different view of any other sin committed?

Winfield J. Abbe

February 11th, 2011
7:11 pm

A corollary issue is the fact that women who smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol while pregnant (not to mention use illegal and some legal drugs) impair the intelligence of the fetus. This is a very serious but controllable problem. This activity is the likely cause of many behavioral problems in schools and later in society. Women simply do not have the right to impair the intelligence of an innocent child by negligent, selfish, foolish personal behavior which can and must be prevented. If necessary their privacy must be invaded to stop this unconscionable behavior.

Azazel

February 11th, 2011
7:12 pm

I got the knitting needles and coat hangers stock tip from John Boner.

0311/0317 -1811/1801

February 11th, 2011
7:12 pm

Oh Please!!!

25% of the 58,000+ names on the “Vietnam Wall” were male draftees who did not have the right to control their own bodies. As a matter of fact, against their will they were sent to a place where other men would try to kill or maim them for life.

Registering for the draft is still the law of the land but the Supreme Court has said women are exempt.

I served in Vietnam (volunteered) but you won’t get much sympathy from me about a woman “controlling her own body”.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmmmm, mmmm, mmm! Just sayin...

February 11th, 2011
7:17 pm

Enough not to take the scissors to them, airhead.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
7:18 pm

Rockerbabe

I’m pretty sure that no one cares what you do. This entire discussion is about women that men would want to have sex with.

Azazel

February 11th, 2011
7:19 pm

Men should have the capacity for pregnancy; and then have their lives and behaviors controlled by squads of draconian bull-dike inquisitors.

Irony

February 11th, 2011
7:26 pm

Itruks – denial of the necessities of life? Who is denying it? I’d say the woman having the abortion is doing that. Are you saying that every child needs to be supported by some common state pool? And what does God’s forgiveness have to do with it? If lying and murder are in the same category, I guess you would overlook and forgive a family member killed? Someone killing you would be no different than my 4 year old lying about taking a cookie out of the jar?

MAMA SAYS

February 11th, 2011
7:31 pm

Hey GOP lies,

Did kennedy care about babies when he started putting troops into Vietnam ?
Supported the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba
Threatened to go to war over Soviet Missles in Cuba

Did Johnson care about babies when he increased the troop level to 500,000 in Vietnam

How about Roosevelt and WW II

Truman and the A Bomb

Clinton and Bosnia ?

your devoid of one thing—a true knowledge of history . The deadliest times in U.S history beside the civil war were under Democratic presidents

Cynthia you’re are void of many things, like the memory of democratic “leaders” pandering to the lefts base but as a conservative I agree 100% on your birth control issue. It’s not in the bible that one must not take birth control and the right would accomplish a lot by relenting on that one issue.

but for the most part Liberals arre fruit loops who are more concerned about the criminals rights than those of the lawful.

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
7:31 pm

Rockerbabe: . All of the abortion business is nothing more than a power play against women in general. The old white guys and some crazy women seem to think they get to tell everyone else what to do, when to do it and then not pay for the priviledge. It seems that since the blacks cannot be ruled over any more as they have civil rights, and the GOP and its minions cannot keep the latinos out of the country, the old white male bridgate seems to think women are now the most easy target for their overlord tendicies.

AMEN girlfriend!!!

It is strange that CT is pro-abortion, when the majority of the aborted are not white?

And? Your point is……..?

kayaker: But as a female and a potential mother, do you think that taking the life of someone who didn’t have anything to do with your decisions is the right thing to do?

it’s not a baby, it’s a fetus.

NIF: Rockerbabe – I’m pretty sure that no one cares what you do. This entire discussion is about women that men would want to have sex with.

You are soooo bad!!

ltruks

February 11th, 2011
7:32 pm

Irony – I simply posed the question. The question remains does God judge sins differently?

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
7:34 pm

Men should have the capacity for pregnancy; and then have their lives and behaviors controlled by squads of draconian bull-dike inquisitors

Ooooooo that was goood!! Scary. A bit frightening. But really really good. Congrats!

0311/0317 -1811/1801

February 11th, 2011
7:36 pm

Azazel :

“Men should have the capacity for pregnancy; and then have their lives and behaviors controlled by squads of draconian bull-dike inquisitors.”

See my 7:12

Draftees called them Drill Instructors.

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
7:37 pm

Women simply do not have the right to impair the intelligence of an innocent child by negligent, selfish, foolish personal behavior which can and must be prevented. If necessary their privacy must be invaded to stop this unconscionable behavior.

I laughed at first when I read your post, but now I’m not sure you were kidding……..

0311/0317 -1811/1801

February 11th, 2011
7:37 pm

DebbieDoRight :

See my 7:36 ……………………. :o

lovelyliz

February 11th, 2011
7:38 pm

It all makes perfect sense for the LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION AND ENDS AT BIRTH faux life Republicans

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
7:38 pm

Numbers, yours was scary too!!

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
7:43 pm

Irony: Rockerbabe says for me to keep my hands off her body. Perhaps if she said that before she got pregnant we wouldn’t be discussing abortion. Perhaps if she ran down to the quickie mart first before getting pregnant we wouldn’t be discussing it either.

OK quick question: Why is birth control ALWAYS the woman’s problem? Why can’t MEN BE RESPONSIBLE for their decisions not to use CONTRACEPTIVES? Why is only a one way street?

Perhaps you need to keep your hands and decisions off the baby you abort. Instead of being selfish, make wise decisions ahead of time. Don’t take your irresponsible choices out on another human being. Your rights extend until they interfere with another. And that baby’s rights are being infringed.

THIS is why men should shut their mouths about abortion. You guys loose all credibility when you start talking. MY womb. MY body. MY choice. PERIOD.

Say it like it really is

February 11th, 2011
7:44 pm

Ok so heres my opinion (not like it really counts or anything)

Abortion is legal, right or wrong its legal.

Abortion is the choice of the women who has to live with it and stand before God afterwards

Abortion is also very wrong for me and since it is wrong in my eyes, my tax money should not fund anothers will to kill. If a person wants that choice then its up to them to pay the cost of it.

No taxpayer money should ever fund murder.

I stand my ground.

What Goes Around Comes Around

February 11th, 2011
7:46 pm

Ms. Tucker I totally agree that Speaker Boehner and the Repubs are being very hypocritical. WhY ARE reproductive rights a PRIORITY. They should be focusing more ON jobs. They know that if they focus on reproductive rights the people that voted for them would FORGET about THE jobs.

All the people that voted for those idiots THEY HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED!!!!!!!! Republicans don’t know how to create jobs and people are too stupid to realize that. If it were that easy Obama would have done it by now. He is smarter than all of them.

Republican voters admit it – YOU HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED AGAIN.

WHERE ARE THE JOBS WHERE ARE THE JOBS WHERE ARE THE JOBS

Rockerbabe

February 11th, 2011
7:52 pm

DebbieDoRight:

If all of the politicans want smaller government and want government out of our lives, why do they seem to make a big exception for women of child-bearing age? (I am way pass that activity at this point in my life). Making something illegal does nothing but drive the activity into the back alley or underground. Thousands, upon thousands of women lost their lives to unsafe abortions prior to Roe vs
Wade. We rarely see those deaths anymore, which is why it is quite shocking when it does happen. The Pregnancy Police need to remains a dark and distant footnote in the history of women.

Telling women that they have to support a pregnancy against their will is just another form of slavery. Making the procurement of contraception difficult, refusing to discusss proper pregnancy avoidance in schools, lying to pregnant women in those crisis pregnancy centers and trying to lay a guilt trip on women who abort is nothing short of hatred for them, their goals in life, their life’s circumstance and just a total disrespect of women in general. Women are not 3rd class citizens, behind men and fetus.

Most women work, pay taxes and vote. I for one will never, ever vote republican again; they lie like dogs and I don’t mean canines. Can’t trust a GOPer for anything, including one’s life.

What Goes Around Comes Around

February 11th, 2011
7:54 pm

I don’t think they heard you Ms. Tucker.

“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”
“But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”

MMAYBE THEY WANT TO KILL IT AFTER IT IS BORN mmmmmmmmmmmm!

Really last word

February 11th, 2011
7:59 pm

“Nearly half the pregnancies in the United States are unintended,” That is just pitiful!! How can people be so stupid!! What a sick . . .sick society we live in!! Government shouldn’t pay for contraceptives. If the “poor” can afford cell phones (oops, I forgot the government gives them those), big screen tvs, cars, all the current electronics and expensive atheletic shoes, designer jeans . . they can afford contraceptives! Giving out free contraceptives hasn’t prevented “unintended pregnancies.” BTW, just this week saw the lady in front of me at the grocery store pull out her government food card to buy her groceries and then watched her get into a Cadillac Escalade in the parking lot!

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
8:04 pm

DebbieDoRight

- -You are soooo bad!!- -

That was one of those that is sort of like locking your keys in the car and just as you are shutting the door, you remember that the door is locking and your keys are still inside. I wish I hadn’t posted that one.

Nothing Is Free

February 11th, 2011
8:12 pm

The bottom one is that we need to reduce the number of abortions. The only way we can do that is to increase the number of people that are using birth control.

But unfortunately, there is a big problem. The only birth control that is not completely up to the woman is a condom, but that is the only kind of birth control that dramatically reduces the pleasure of the sexual act.

There’s no doubt that women get the raw deal but to be honest, that monthly thing is a pretty raw deal to start with.

Life isn’t fair, but women do have some vast advantages in some other ways.

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
8:18 pm

Rockerbabe: DebbieDoRight: If all of the politicans want smaller government and want government out of our lives, why do they seem to make a big exception for women of child-bearing age? …………………. The Pregnancy Police need to remains a dark and distant footnote in the history of women.

Agreed! 100%!! Women are the “last frontier” for men to conquer. It’s not enough that, until 2010, they could LEGALLY make 5x more than we could even if they did the exact same job that we did. It seems that the fact that they were born with that Y Chromosone makes them all knowing about our bodies!

Making the procurement of contraception difficult, refusing to discusss proper pregnancy avoidance in schools, lying to pregnant women in those crisis pregnancy centers and trying to lay a guilt trip on women who abort is nothing short of hatred for them, their goals in life, their life’s circumstance and just a total disrespect of women in general.

You know what makes me go WTF??!! When VIAGARA costs men substantially less than BIRTH Control costs women!! And just a few years ago, the majority of HMOs didn’t even COVER birth control pills!! Can you believe that?

Women are not 3rd class citizens, behind men and fetus.

That is the most brilliant comment that was made on this blog today. Thanks for that!.

What Goes Around Comes Around

February 11th, 2011
8:22 pm

Why are people so concerned with what other people do or have done to their bodies? People need to mind their own business.

PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES. Some of you have done far worse. Why are some of you not OUTRAGED when all of “OUR” babies are being molested, raped, kidnapped, stabbed to death, starved to death, beated to death and worse. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGED WHEN THOSE CRIMES HAPPEN?

I am willing to beat that some of you are child molesters. Some of you are HYPOCRITES!!!

God is watching us and he is watching what we say and what we do.

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
8:23 pm

Last Word: BTW, just this week saw the lady in front of me at the grocery store pull out her government food card to buy her groceries and then watched her get into a Cadillac Escalade in the parking lot!

Honey you must be in the twilight zone because you’ve posted the exact same comment (welfare woman, cadillac, blah, blah, blah) at least twelve times in the past 12 months. Are you seeing the same woman over and over in your delusions? Yikes!! I meant “dreams”?

BTW as I’ve pointed out before, how did you KNOW that it was a government card? Did it have the words GOVERNMENT CARD stamped on it? Also how do yo know that she wasn’t laid off and is getting assistance while she looks for a job? AND how do you know which car she was getting into? Were you stalking her or are you Clairvoyant? Just asking………

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
8:27 pm

NIF: That was one of those that is sort of like locking your keys in the car and just as you are shutting the door, you remember that the door is locking and your keys are still inside. I wish I hadn’t posted that one.

Oh NIF it WAS funny!! And Rockerbabe seems like a cool chick, she probably laughed too! Besides, if you can’t laugh at a “republican” trying to make a funny, then who can you laugh at? (smile, it’s a JOKE!!)

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
8:29 pm

Were you stalking her or are you Clairvoyant?

I think he’s lying his ass off, but that’s just me.

CYNT U DESERVE UR JOB

February 11th, 2011
8:29 pm

NO ABORTION SAYS GOP,BUT KILL THEM ONCE THEY GET HERE!

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
8:30 pm

NIF: The bottom one is that we need to reduce the number of abortions. The only way we can do that is to increase the number of people that are using birth control.

Right On!!! NOW you’re getting it!

But unfortunately, there is a big problem. The only birth control that is not completely up to the woman is a condom, but that is the only kind of birth control that dramatically reduces the pleasure of the sexual act.

Oh mannnn!!! You kept ‘talking” and messed it up!!

There’s no doubt that women get the raw deal but to be honest, that monthly thing is a pretty raw deal to start with.

Another funny!!! You’re on a roll tonight! :lol: :lol:

DebbieDoRight

February 11th, 2011
8:34 pm

Kammy: I think he’s lying his ass off, but that’s just me.

Me too. :wink:

CT has more class in her little finger than you have in your whole body

February 11th, 2011
8:38 pm

@Cynthia is a dumb racist negro February 11th, 2011 4:41 pm

If Cynthia is a dumb racist negro you must be a dumb racist Craker, Redneck, Lice infected, meth smoking, trailer park, bugga eating dumb a**.

Be careful at the stones you throw they may come right back to you!!!

reality check

February 11th, 2011
8:43 pm

@kayaker71–no, abortion is not the only legal way to murder in this country. You have forgotten our military and overlooked lynchings.

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
8:46 pm

no, abortion is not the only legal way to murder in this country.

Well, seeing how the word “murder” is the definition of an illegal act, and abortion is a legal procedure, then there is no way that abortion can be “murder.”

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmmmm, mmmm, mmm! Just sayin...

February 11th, 2011
8:55 pm

Say, does anyone know why obozo remains silent about the protesters in Iran, who peacefully march against a violent islamic lunacy, but babbled on and on against Mubarak, a non violent non islamic non lunatic?

Could it be that obozo is a terrorist, just like I told you, long ago?

reality check

February 11th, 2011
8:56 pm

Kamchak, you are correct. I only used “murder” because the kayaker did while telling me it’s legal, but is it right? I’m just saying that people don’t need to worry about if what I’m doing is “right”. I’m sure it is a full time job keeping up with their own business.

Fetal Attraction

February 11th, 2011
8:59 pm

There have been 50 million abortions since Roe v Wade. “America is the great satan”, the radical jihadists contend. They are conspiring to stop the madness by destroying the country. They are wrong, of course, because they would kill us all.

Thus we get 911, and probably some lowgrade nuke in our backyard. The Right is simply coaxing the jihadists along. Their opposition to abortion is demogoguery only. Not some moral stance. It’s about playing to the choir.

The liberals have always maintained that sex ed needs to start early and birth control made available. The Christian Right thinks that birth control is a sin, and thus no birth control is available to sexually active immature young people. That’s madness.

Fifty million. Not even Hitler could have conceived of such an evil.

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
9:18 pm

I’m sure it is a full time job keeping up with their own business.

Apparently not.

Jack

February 11th, 2011
9:19 pm

Do “abortion rights activists” really care about babies?

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
9:21 pm

Do “abortion rights activists” really care about babies?

Yes.

Another episode of one word answers to simple questions.

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February 11th, 2011
9:29 pm

Just like the slavery issue (250 years) this is going to take away.

Eventually good will triumph over evil and babies in the womb will no longer be killed.

When that happens, people will look back at history and say just like they did for slave owners, “How could those people have done that?”

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February 11th, 2011
9:30 pm

Excuse me: First sentence ……….. “take some time”

B

February 11th, 2011
9:31 pm

“Do ‘pro-lifers’ really care about babies?” Are you kidding me? How about – Do pro-abortionists care about babies? that answer is a big NO. Does anyone know how an abortion is carried out after the fetus (baby) is twelve weeks in the womb? The tear it apart limb by limb, and CT wants to question whether I care or not? absurd

Daniel

February 11th, 2011
9:33 pm

This author may have a point… well except for the fact that he is completely wrong about social conservatives not carrying and simply lumping us into the Tea Party movement. Christian leaders are found throughout adoption services. Churches every year give millions of dollars and thousands of hours of volunteer work towards helping women and children in need. There are thousands of crisis pregnancy centers across the country (which are attacked by the same liberal groups that try to tell the public how much conservative don’t care about women who have unintended pregnancy. Oh, and also CPCs aren’t getting a third of their funding from federal grant money (like Planned Parenthood).

Unlike the writer of this article, social conservatives and religious people aren’t so lazy as to expect the government to step in whenever they see someone struggling. No need to belabor the point of how Conservatives donate more money to charity then the so called “compassionate” secular left.

This may surprise the author, but for social conservatives there is something much more important than politics and policy making: namely, the family, community, and social standards. Conservatives don’t want the government to take over the role belongs to them. They think they can do a better job and, in fact, they often do. It is amazing how liberals pretend to care about the poor, but at the same time view minorities as though they are too inept to make it without a government check.

So to the author, sorry conservatives don’t share your vision of demoralizing the poor through heartless bureaucracy. Our efforts come from within the community, private charity, synagogues, churches, other non profit, and even some for profit (GASP) organizations. You should try it sometime.

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
9:34 pm

Do pro-abortionists care about babies? that answer is a big NO.

A foetus is not a baby.

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
9:39 pm

This author may have a point… well except for the fact that he is completely wrong about social conservatives…

“The author” has a name. It is Cynthia Tucker. So Danny-poo, I think it’s a good idea to actually look at the name of the author of anything you are reading. You should try it sometime.

B

February 11th, 2011
9:40 pm

Kammy – so they want you to believe. Here’s what a fetus (baby) does inside the womb – swallows, sleeps, dreams, moves, metabalizes etc.. etc..

B

February 11th, 2011
9:41 pm

funny – noone ever says “When’s the fetus due?”

B

February 11th, 2011
9:42 pm

Daniel – well said

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
9:46 pm

Here’s what a fetus (baby) does inside the womb…

Here’s what the foetus does outside the womb — it dies.

Until it can survive on it’s own it is a symbiont.

B

February 11th, 2011
9:52 pm

Kammy – isn’t it above your pay grade to making those kind of decisions?

B

February 11th, 2011
9:54 pm

there are many abortions performed where , left outside the womb at that stage, survival would have occurred

B

February 11th, 2011
9:54 pm

So to clarify – you don’t care about the fetus

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
10:02 pm

So to clarify – you don’t care about the fetus

It’s way above your pay grade to speak for me, sport.

Martin the Calvinist

February 11th, 2011
10:26 pm

I’m rather disturbed that you are okay with killing a child in the womb if there’s a good chance a child’s needs wouldn’t be met. BTW, when will you be arguing that we should not keep grandma or grandpa alive any longer because the cost of doing so is too expensive?

Martin the Calvinist

February 11th, 2011
10:29 pm

I second Daniel’s post!

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
10:35 pm

I’m rather disturbed that you are okay with killing a child in the womb if there’s a good chance a child’s needs wouldn’t be met.

If you’re talking to me Marty-poo, please show me where I said exactly that.

Thanks in advance.

TGT

February 11th, 2011
10:52 pm

Sounds like Kamchak is full of “poo” this evening. Somebody must’ve struck a nerve (or a bowel).

Kamchak

February 11th, 2011
11:45 pm

Sounds like Kamchak is full of “poo” this evening.

Not a Gilbert and Sullivan fan I see.

Or perhaps you are merely ignorant and uncultured.

TGT

February 12th, 2011
12:07 am

Okay, you have me Kamchak. You are much more “cultured” in the fine art of “poo” than I.

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
12:42 am

Kammy

Another Friday night and you have nothing better than to blog.

Damn. That’s really pathetic.

You REALLY need to get a life.

Robert

February 12th, 2011
1:12 am

IT’S COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Binky the Bear

February 12th, 2011
2:37 am

The Biblical term is “whited sepulchre.”

susan

February 12th, 2011
3:31 am

My cousin once said to me that you make your choice when you choose to have sex.

THAT is free choice to do with your body what you want to. You can choose to have sex knowing that the result may be pregnancy..and a child (not a fetus…which is a term used to be diassociative and muddy the waters)

Abortion is legal – so let’s be honest about what it is and what is taking place…it is the willing destruction of a child. If people would ADMIT that that is what they are doing…and stop being in denial about what they are doing when they have an abortion…the argument would be different…but the pro-abortion groups try to obfuscate what is really going on by calling the child a “cluster of cells”…a “fetus”..even when there is already a heartbeat.

In a country that does not allow the school nurse to dispense an aspirin without a doctors note, children are allowed to get abortions…in the name of the right to do what you want with your body..what a bunch of BS.

And the argument that you have the right to do what you want with your body is a bunch of bs..that only applies with the abortion argument…you cannot get a tattoo without parental consent..cannot get piercings without parental consent, cannot get cigarrettes or alcohol without parental consent, cannot get married or enlist in the military without parental consent…but you can get an abortion – a surgery that is life altering- without parental consent..what is wrong with this picture?

Zzz

February 12th, 2011
4:46 am

Wheres Granny on this subject ??? She makes anywhere between 20-50 comments a day agreeing with tucker !! Me thinks shes Pro-life and wont go against her fellow Liberals !!

SUCKitProLifers

February 12th, 2011
5:51 am

I cant believe the reps are worried about abortions opposed to jobs, this recession (the one we have climbed out of-yeah right), bringing more troops home, etc…
Anywhooo, if u guys are so worried about “children” being aborted, or women aborting the next MLK, then DO SOMETHING besides run your mouths! First, lets encourage/make it a law for the father to STAY in the picture. A lot of women have abortions (even while using protection/contraceptives-things happen such as a condom breaking) because they cant afford to raise a child, and a lot of the reasons they cant afford to raise the child is because the father gets scared and runs out! A lot of fathers also ENCOURAGE their women to have abortions because they dont want children themselves, so why women are only being attacked, i have no idea. Second, lets NOT get rid/attempt to get rid of the programs which many parents need to help raise their children. I know a lot of people abuse the system, but there are a lot of people using these programs while working/going to school to better themselves and their children’s lives. You cant be against abortions but in favor of cutting much need programs…

and someone said, ‘people who are in favor of these programs, are also in favor of abortions which is ironic.’ Yes, I am in favor of both these programs and abortions because a) these programs help a lot of people and b) i work in child care, and the stuff i see daily is real sickening from the lack of stability in children’s, to the abuse of all kind, to the lifestyles the parents lead as if they have no children at all! its hard enough working with the countless kids in these enviroments already, I dont want to have to deal with more, besides, child cares/day cares are being funded less each year, to the point where state govts want to shut them down, elementary/middle/high schools are also over crowded with LESS funding each year (we just may have to start paying for a public education-lol), and babies are having babies (meaning 10 yr olds are having babies), so where will these children that “parents need to take responsibility for and have instead of abort,” learn?

AND i HATE to say it but id rather see NO GOOD men/women get abortions that bear children into BAD enviroments where the CYCLE OF INCEST, RAPE, AND POVERTY CONTINUES-sometimes, for generations. LETS FACE IT PPL, some people DO NOT NEED TO HAVE CHILDREN! PERIOD! There is always going to be those children who grow up to be like their parents (no good), then they have kids, who grow up to be like them (no good), and the cycle continues.

I dont think abortion should be illegal, however, I do believe it should be monitored or controlled, so that young teens cant just walk into planned parenthood or some other clinic to get an abortion…no bueno

Herman Cain

February 12th, 2011
7:18 am

Here is a fresh idea, why don’t the little tramps just keep their legs closed. Then they wouldn’t have to choose to murder a child or if they went onto birth, we wouldn’t have to raise them.

Michelle

February 12th, 2011
7:50 am

The line between murder and “Reproductive rights” seems to fall on whether or not a person wants the child. Truly, a teenage mother who does not want the baby inside her womb can murder it because she has “Reproductive rights”; but, the legal system charges the murderer of a pregnant mother with double murder. Why? The latter mother wanted her child. Was the life inside one womb of greater value simply because one mother “Planned” her pregnancy?

Second, as a Christian, I am firm on my belief to love and serve God. That means serving God’s people. All of his people. On top of what our government deems appropriate to tax us, we are more than generous with our money provided. I don’t believe you can legislate charity or good works. Welfare does not work. If it did, we would have less people on welfare than we did when it was introduced. Instead, it created a cycle of poverty. People help people. Governments don’t and are not equipped to legislate charity.

Let the people take the portion of their taxes that would go to frivolous failing programs and direct them to programs that actually help people. Alpha Omega house is a great example. They take in homeless pregnant teen moms. Offer shelter, medical care, schooling, until they are self-supportive. They have an incredible success rate of ending the cycle of poverty. That’s just one example I have. See, people help people. Governments cannot legislate good will toward men. I am a conservative Christian who does care about life before birth and after birth. Please don’t pigeon hole what you don’t know.

valerie

February 12th, 2011
8:29 am

babies are gross

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

February 12th, 2011
8:45 am

Only a liberal is unable to make the connection that they too were once “babies.”

So dense, so little time…

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February 12th, 2011
8:52 am

Good morning everyone.

Let’s don’t forget the UGA student about 2 weeks ago who was arrested by the Campus Police for killing some mice. Yep – Google it !

But it’s o.k. to kill unborn babies ?

Even if you are of the “fetus” ilk, a mouse vs. a fetus? Come on !

It’s a sick society that can protect its mice but not its unborn children whatever you want to call them.

Hey, what if we called them mice !

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
8:58 am

Herman Cain

Tramps keep their legs closed. Now just a doggone minute!!!

People like you ruin everything!!!

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February 12th, 2011
8:58 am

Congress investigates defunding Planned Parenthood :

“A string of undercover videos that shows employees of the nation’s largest abortion provider aiding and abetting underage sex-trafficking has prompted powerful players on Capitol Hill to call for the cash-strapped federal government to stop funding Planned Parenthood.

In the videos, members of the pro-life activist organization Live Action posed as the “managers” of 14- and 15-year-old prostitutes, even girls illegally brought into the country, and taped Planned Parenthood employees offering services, proposing ways to skirt mandatory reporting laws and helping the pimps find ways to get abortions for the girls.

Now Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., chair of the House Energy & Commerce Committee’s Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee, which has jurisdiction over the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services – which in turn oversees federal grants to Planned Parenthood – is demanding action.

“We’re going to bring Health and Human Services Secretary [Kathleen] Sebelius, put her under oath in the spring and ask her to explain what is she doing about these videos,” Stearns said at a press conference yesterday. “And if she lies, then we’re going to ask the attorney general to investigate her.”

“Taxpayers are demanding to know how their money is being spent,” Stearns continued in a statement, “and these videos answer how Planned Parenthood uses public dollars.”

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
9:02 am

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Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger. She was s horrible racist and believed that by using abortions, minority populations would be reduced. And of course that is exactly what has happened. Blacks are aborted in multiples of Whites.

But cTucker blindly stumbles along supporting the organization founded by the woman who believed in reverse eugenics.

But of course she also supports the party of George Wallace.

atlmom

February 12th, 2011
9:24 am

@rafe: completely agree. What he did was murder. However, I still believe that abortion in the first trimester should be legal.

atlmom

February 12th, 2011
9:28 am

@jesus freak: completely and totally different. a fetus is completely dependent on a particular person, and that is that – there is no way for someone else to ‘take care’ of the fetus. As for a toddler, anyone who is capable can take care of it.
but that’s not the point. you can go around and around. do you want legal or illegal abortions in this country when they happen?
do you want rich people to be able to go elsewhere to get abortions, while poor people have to deal with illegal abortions?

Vinny

February 12th, 2011
10:05 am

Cynthia,

Why should taxpayers foot the bill for abortions for the beeeyothch’s that can’t keep their legs together?

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
10:12 am

atlmom

I am close to you on the first trimester, but I believe it is a mater of the infant’s self awareness. There have been tests for that for years. Some babies are self aware earlier than the end of the first trimester and some take longer. Overall, it would work out about the same, but some babies do mature much faster than others (just like post birth)

But the argument about the fetus being dependent is nonsense. Only a qualified nurse can administer a lot of the treatments that keep primies alive so would it be Ok to kill those?

And these people who claim that by changing the name of the baby to something more PC excuses the act are completely clueless. It’s right or it’s wrong and changing the name of the victim means nothing.

Vinny

February 12th, 2011
10:15 am

Cynthia – guns are legal too. So why aren’t taxpayer dollars used to purchase guns for the people that want them but can’t afford them?

It is because all of you anti-gun nut liberals out there!!!

Gator Joe

February 12th, 2011
10:16 am

The Pro-life group is yet another population manipulated by conservative, right wing politicians. These same politicians claim to care about the baby in the womb, while voting and supporting and enabling degradation of the environment which adversely affects mother and baby. Additionally, once the child is born the conservatives could care less about its care, nutrition and education.

valerie

February 12th, 2011
10:22 am

every sperm is sacred

Eric

February 12th, 2011
10:27 am

It’s like everything else these morons insist upon. This is about control. Freedom is only for a select few. Walk in lock step with the right and enjoy your freedom. Everybody else, go straight to Hell.

valerie

February 12th, 2011
10:33 am

I’m all for social engineering. Crank up the death panels for old farts and abortions for drooling babies.

HadIt

February 12th, 2011
10:33 am

Nothing Is Free

In 1968 when Nixon took office the negotiations in Paris for a peace ageement were blocked by North Vietnam’s insistence that their troops remain in place after a cease fire. The U.S. and South Vietnam refused and so the war continued under Nixon who didn’t want to go down in history as the first American president to lose a war. Twenty-six thousand Amercian dead later, just before the 72 election, Nixon announced a peace agreement allowing the North to keep their troops in place. Nixon could have exacted the same peace terms in 68, avoiding the deaths of twenty-six thousand, American boys, but he chose to wait four years so he could go into the 72 election as the president who got us out of Vietnam with honor. Of course we all know what happened after that.

Nixon was personally responsible for the deaths of twenty-six thousand American soldiers. They were no more than pawns in his grand election strategy, which included criminal break-ins to spy on his election opponents.

I almost wish there was a hell so I could have the satisfaction of knowing that Nixon is rotting there.

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February 12th, 2011
10:34 am

Nothing is Free:

It’s all about the money ! These clinics, so called nurses and doctors (who violate their oath) are making big time money. They don’t want to give that up !

Joe

February 12th, 2011
10:37 am

Hey Tucker since PolitFact is considered by you a legitimate news source why don’t you write about how they proved Obama lies about Obamacare in his O’Reilly interview…..

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February 12th, 2011
10:37 am

Hadlt:

You couldn’t be more wrong.

I was there ……. India Company, Third Battalion, 4th Marines.

Yes, that was a great loss of life but it kept the North Vietnamese from invading the South.

Then we left and for three years they held it on their own.

Then the North Vietnamese launched a massive invasion across the DMZ and out of the Central Highlands and Congress refused to providefunds for supplies and air support as had been promised.

The rest is history.

And who is responsible ? The United States Congress !

Oh, perfidious nation.

valerie

February 12th, 2011
10:39 am

preggers and babies should be seen not heard

Joe

February 12th, 2011
10:40 am

Talk about pants on fire… LOL… Don’t forget about the lie about not raising taxes too….

Fetal Attraction

February 12th, 2011
10:40 am

Murder will out itself every time, sir. Murder must be gay, eh? The only thing that I personally deplore is when the butchers murder those teeny tiny widdle baby bunnies at Rabbit Farms. This has GOT to stop.

If not, we’re finished.

Next issue: Chicken Farms and the teeny tiny widddle baby chickies.

valerie

February 12th, 2011
10:45 am

studies have shown 92% of fetuses hate their mother’s

Buster Collins

February 12th, 2011
10:52 am

Ms.Tucker, the lynch-pin of your argument is based on studies by the “highly respected” Guttmacher Institute? This Institute is a division of Planned Parenthood. Just because you proclaim something as respected doesn’t make it so. In fact, it does the opposite. It took about three minutes to dismantle your whole argument. Where’s my Pultizer.

meinpvb

February 12th, 2011
11:01 am

I am a Republican and I agree with most everything in this article. I think that reproductive rights are no one’s business except the woman, her God and anyone else she chooses to confide in. But I did have to laugh when you say Boehner is acting like Newt. Excuse me, but didn’t he just take over from one of the most partisan, lying, “exploiting wedge issues and lobbing rhetorical grenades” house speaker in recent history and I ain’t talking Newt. Look at Pelosi and her antics before you throw stones!!!!

james

February 12th, 2011
11:05 am

“Until it can survive on it’s own it is a symbiont”

From the keyboard of a moronic leftist. I suppose cancer patients, folks in comas, etc are just f#cked.

valerie

February 12th, 2011
11:05 am

eating animal meat is murder, human abortion is necessary population control

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
11:48 am

HadIt or Walt or whatever name you are hiding behind today

I’ve told you the facts that you blather on about how much you hate.

Have at it, hater.

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
11:51 am

valerie

What a hater.

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
11:53 am

meinpvb

How about the baby? Do the rights of the child enter into this at all?

valerie

February 12th, 2011
11:55 am

You folks have to pardon me. I haven’t gotten laid in about 20 years because I refuse to take a bath.

i think that others should just hold their nose, but since they don’t, I’m really bitter about it.

i hate babies and I really hate people with all that uppity hygiene.

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
11:56 am

valerie

So is killing plants to eat them also murder?

Thulsa Doom- truth is the first casualty of liberalism

February 12th, 2011
12:24 pm

Good nothing for valerie that nobody decided to arbitrarily abort her life in the name of “population control”

Thulsa Doom- truth is the first casualty of liberalism

February 12th, 2011
12:30 pm

“0311@2:46, But it’s ok to deny basic sustenance to that child who didn’t ask to be born?”

Terrible argument by Cynthia. Let’s see. Kids from poor families get
1- free health care via medicaid
2- free or reduced school breakfast and lunch
3- free food stamps to feed them the few meals the mother must provide
4- free or subsidized housing

And here Cynthia is asking why conservatives don’t want to pay to raise someone else’s child.

Here’s a suggestion Cynthia- Get the freaking lazy dad to help pay for the kids he fathers. And where are the brothers/sisters/parents/grandparents? Just about everyone has them. Why can’t they help pay to raise their own relative.

Thulsa Doom- truth is the first casualty of liberalism

February 12th, 2011
12:34 pm

Question- Cynthia wants us to pay for their birth control. If they can afford a $600-$700 abortion or whatever it costs then why couldn’t they afford the $30-$40 a month for birth control or the 50 cents for a condom to begin with?

Ed

February 12th, 2011
12:57 pm

If people die because they are denied access to health care/health care insurance, is that murder? Yes. Nearly 45,000 die each year because they are denied access to health care insurance. Right to life, doesn’t stop after birth!

Loretta Ross

February 12th, 2011
3:08 pm

Thanks for the clarity of this article. I distrust people who worshop fetuses but whose policies actually harm the children once they are born. I’m sorry that so much vitriol is directed at you for your brave position. Keep up the good work!

Thulsa Doom- truth is the first casualty of liberalism

February 12th, 2011
3:11 pm

Ed,

Nobody is denied access to the ER room. Its the law and people get treated. If someone has a chronic condition like high blood pressure they can pay $50 private pay to a doc, get a prescription, and pay $4 for that medication at walmart or kroger.

If you’re so poor you can’t afford that then there is medicaid where you pay $0.

And if you are in between poor and middle income you can turn in the $600 a month suv, buy a $2000 beater that runs but doesn’t look flashy, and buy a catastrophic health policy that will cover you.

If you can’t get insurance at all then go to work somewhere that offers group insurance where you are mandatorily taken.

If you’re self-employed and are a very small business you can get group health insurance which requires only 2 employees.

There are solutions to everything already- people like you just like to whine and not take responsbility for anything. You’ld rather someone else pay for your stuff.

Thulsa Doom- truth is the first casualty of liberalism

February 12th, 2011
3:17 pm

Loretta Ross,

Soooo people who “worship fetuses” are to be mistrusted. You are one sick, twisted person if you think that those who believe in the sanctity of human life are the bad guys.

“People whose policies actually harm children once they are born?”

Um, no. That would be the worthless parents and families of the children who refuse to provide for those children once they are born. And in case you missed it we provide numerous social programs such as free breakfast and lunch at school, medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing, all so that people like me who play by the rules can provide for the worthless people and their children. We all believe in a social safety net but few of us believe that welfare should be a whole way of life.

carlosgvv

February 12th, 2011
3:32 pm

If the politicans strongly oppose abortion but don’t care a fig about babies once they are born, then something is at work they don’t want to talk about. Someone needs to follow the money on this.

ray

February 12th, 2011
3:47 pm

What if…what if the anti-choice movement is really just a ruse to fatten the base?

Nah…

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February 12th, 2011
3:58 pm

Thulsa Doom- truth is the first casualty of liberalism
February 12th, 2011
12:30 pm

They don’t have the money for contraception because they can’t forgo the purchase of a big color flatscreen t.v.

Not to mention the lottery tickets, beer and cidgarettes.

Really last word

February 12th, 2011
4:01 pm

My question to CT is do the adults who are on government assistance care about babies . . if they did, they wouldn’t have them if they can’t support them!! Don’t give me . . they were unintended. As adults we all know where babies come from !!! Duh!

spoofproof

February 12th, 2011
4:08 pm

Let’s do a recap:
1. Democrats condone and support atheism.
2. Democrats condone and support sodomy.
3. Democrats condone and support abortion.
Why would anyone who is civilized support anyone whose policies endorse death and the ruin of civilized life? Democrats worship money, power, and each other. Look at Detroit Michigan and see the ruination caused by Democrats. Is that what YOU want? Think & Vote for anybody but a Democrat.

DeborahinAthens

February 12th, 2011
4:12 pm

A lot of tripe from you right-wing Bible thumpers, but it all comes down to the fact that your contention that a clump of cells constitutes a person, is merely your philosophy. It is not mine, nor is it many others. I believe a person is a person when he or she takes a breath of air, on their own. Until that time, in most ways, a fetus is merely a parasite. If, in some fantasy world, a parasite could attach itself to a man, and have to be fed, watered, cared for until it popped out, and then, fed, watered, and cared for for the next 16 or 17 years, men would figure out a way to excise the growth. The hypocrisy of the Catholic Church is breathtaking! Anyone that has traveled to Mexico or Brazil, where thousands of children live in garbage dumps and starve to death, realize what an insane philosophy that is. If you believe the Pope gives two figs about any child, take a visit and see what enforced bans on contraception has created. I have two children that were planned, and were loved and cared for. They are both grown men with families of their own. I never had an abortion, but, ironically, if not for the help of Planned Parenthood, my husband and I never could have conceived our first child.

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February 12th, 2011
4:28 pm

None of you out there addressed my two points yesterday :

1) MEN’S BODIES VS. WOMEN’S BODIES

25% of the 58,000+ names on the “Vietnam Wall” are male draftees who did not have the right to “control their own bodies.”

As a matter of fact, against their will they were sent to a place where other men would try to kill or maim them for life.

Registering for the draft is still the law of the land but the Supreme Court has said women are exempt.

I served in Vietnam (volunteered) so you won’t get much sympathy from me about a woman “controlling her own body”.

2) MICE VS. UNBORN CHILDREN

“Art project leads to arrest for UGA student”

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

“A month-long investigation has led to animal cruelty charges against a University of Georgia senior who killed several MICE for an art project, the Red and Black reports.

UGA police issued an arrest warrant Thursday for Mark Huie Starling, who allegedly destroyed the mice last November …………………….. He basically took a 2×4 and squashed each one of them,” Chief Williamson told UGA’s student newspaper.”

In other words, killing mice with a 2X4 is NOT o.k. (killing with a mouse trap is?) but killing unborn children by litterally pulling their limbs/body apart in the womb IS o.k.

What a sick society that protects its mice but not its unborn children.

God forgive us ………………..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:33 pm

Funny….Pyshco Nonsense Chicken is Free has a word for the day….”hater”. Funny how there always seems to be a lot of name jacking when the Psycho Chicken is around.

Doomy, yes people who dont have healthcare can get treatment in emergency care. The problem is that in some cases it is too late for matters that could have been prevented if they had been diagnosed earlier and it does not include continuing treatment.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:34 pm

Scout…red herrings again?

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
4:37 pm

…red herrings again still?

Sorry, that just called out for correction.

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February 12th, 2011
4:39 pm

DeborahinAthens

“a fetus is not a child until it breathes air on its own”

Consider this. That “fetus” can see (yes, they squint at light during in the womb surgeries), they can smell, they can taste (they suck their thumbs), they can hear and yes they CAN FEEL. They have brain waves !

Their little bodies also use oxygen in the very same manner you do. The only difference is the SOURCE of the oxygen ……… oxygen through their mouth or through their umbilical cord.

So what you are saying is what makes the fetus a child is the “SOURCE OF THE OXYGEN” – specifically from the air outside the womb.

Ma’am, their is no logic on this earth that would tell anyone that a “Source” determines humanity.

Otherwise, by your definition anyone undergoing heart transplant surgery (where oxygen for them does not come out of the “air”) would not be a human being.

Elinor Stickney

February 12th, 2011
4:39 pm

I wish those who are pro-life would show some concern about the nymerous young children who are abused and/or killed each year, often by a parent or boy or girlfriend. Neither have I learned about those protesting ‘the murder of babies’ adopting those infants.
I have heard protests about the demise of ‘babies being born wiath very serious birth defects, including one infant born with no brain. While money should not be a consideration, much of the care of those with severe defects is paid with public funds and I, personally, don’t want my taxes spent that way.

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February 12th, 2011
4:40 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight! :

Expected from you since you can’t win that debate.

Richard_Iowa

February 12th, 2011
4:42 pm

One way to loose an entire civilization is to have a liberal abortion policy. It’s a matter of mathematics that there must be so many births, I think it is around 1.2/family, to sustain a civilization. The US is currently around 2.0, while Japan is at 1.26 and on the brink. Add to that open borders and a liberal immigration policy where people coming in do not run to the abortion mills and within a couple of generations an entire cililization will have collapsed to be replaced by something else; whatever that is. Also, the US is facing a very real crisis in the Social Security trust fund. I wonder how much would be contributed to SS by the ~50 million individuals who have been aborted if they were currently in the work force. There is more to abortion than ideology.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:45 pm

Scout…what fight? Soldiers dying in a war vs a womans right to choose. Red herring — volunteer soldiers do have a right to chose a career.

Animal cruelty v. abortion — pure silly time argument. But hey if you are comparing developing eggs and the termination — shouldn’t you be at a Denny’s screaming everytime they crack an egg?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:47 pm

Kam…you’re correction is accurate. Birthers 8)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:47 pm

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
4:48 pm

Add to that open borders and a liberal immigration policy…

It was St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun that signed the 1986 amnesty bill, sport.

I suggest you start there with your poutrage.

HoneyCrisp

February 12th, 2011
5:00 pm

Abortion, the un-holy sacrament of the liberal left.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
5:06 pm

Sock-puppets, the pathetic creations to deceive.

Montjoie

February 12th, 2011
5:06 pm

1. No baby “asks to be born.” Suggesting that they have to is just flat stupid. 2. Legislation doesn’t create jobs. So other than that, nice article.

Richard_Iowa

February 12th, 2011
5:09 pm

Kamchak wrote, “It was St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun that signed the 1986 amnesty bill, sport. I suggest you start there with your poutrage.” First of all, I could care less who opened the doors. Again, it is not a matter of ideology, the numbers tell the tale, Second,
since you brought it up it was the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (Hart-Cellar Acta and signed into law by President Johnson) that replaced the Immigration Act of 1924 that opened our borders. Senator Ted Kennedy D-Smirnoff was a strong supporter of this act and stated, “First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same…. Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset…. Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia…. In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think…. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.” Ol’ Ted was so insightful. He shudda been a rocket scientist.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
5:12 pm

First of all, I could care less who opened the doors.

Gonna have to throw a penalty flag, and call bull-sh_t on that one, sport.

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February 12th, 2011
5:14 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

P.S.

You need to check your definitions.

red herring:

“Something that draws attention away from the central issue.”

1) The argument is whether or not the fetus is a human being. Since I am providing evidence that it is a human being I am drawing attention TO the central issue.

2) The argument is whether or not a human being has the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to control their own body. Since I am providing evidence that there are exceptions to an ABSOLUTE RIGHT to control ones own body I am drawing attention TO the central issue.

By the way, some exceptions to the “absolute right” fallacy are:

The military draft in time of war.
Going to prison against your will.
Going to a mental institution against your will.
Going to an assisted living complex against your will.
Certain mandatory vaccinations.
Jury Duty.

Jeanne T.

February 12th, 2011
5:18 pm

Cynthia’s arguments are so full of holes it’s hard too know where to start. Here goes:

“there’s a glaring contradiction in the ideology of anti-abortion proponents: They are passionate about the fetus but indifferent — if not hostile — to actual babies who need a generous social safety net.The same voters who protest Roe vs. Wade usually oppose traditional welfare for poor women, government-funded health care benefits for impoverished children and housing subsidies for poor families.”

This is patently false. We’d rather spend our own money to directly support groups that help women in crisis pregnancies than have our tax dollars go to programs that only encourage promiscuity, discourage marriage, and keep women on welfare. The Federal Government does not “care” about women or babies; only people do. Why don’t crisis pregnancy centers receive Federal funds? Has Cynthia ever visited a CPC?

“Conservatives refuse to endorse the widespread use of contraceptives, which would lower the abortion rate. Republican budget-cutters have also targeted family planning programs, and conservatives continue to paint Planned Parenthood, which delivers a host of reproductive health services to women, as the devil’s handmaiden…..That simply makes no sense. Nearly half the pregnancies in the United States are unintended, and about four in ten of those unintended pregnancies result in abortions, according to the highly respected Guttmacher Institute, a non-profit dedicated to reproductive health and improved family planning. It stands to reason, then, that helping women to gain access to reliable contraceptives and to use them appropriately would reduce unintended pregnancies and abortions.”

Not true. First, Cynthia wrongly assumes that unplanned pregnancies mean these children are “unwanted” (unwanted by whom, by the way?). There is no such thing as a “planned” child. All of us, when it comes down to it, were “unplanned.” Furthermore, the value of human life is not based on the circumstances of one’s conception and birth.

Pro-lifers” have a long history going back to Moses. It was the Hebrew women who disobeyed the Pharoah’s orders to slay their male babies.

God’s people were forbidden to imitate the pagan practices of the Canaanites, who sacrificed their children to Baal. Because God is pro-life and human sacrifice is an abomination. Abortion is human sacrifice.

Rome: The early Christians rescued baby girls who had been given the “thumbs down” by their fathers and left outside the walls of Rome to die.

Christians have always rescued babies in pagan cultures where females have little value and that leave little girls to die (India, China, etc.) at birth. India has a very high rate of sex selection (discrimination) abortion.

In Muslim cultures, girls are not valued at all.

The early feminists were almost always pro-life. That is a fact.

Cynthia should also do her homework on Planned Parenthood, whose founder Margaret Sanger was a promiscuous woman and a racist who believed in Eugenics. Cynthia should also ask herself why Planned Parenthood conveniently puts up its clinics in minority neighborhoods. Abortion among blacks is nothing more than genocide.

Yes, we really care about babies, and we care about their mothers, too.

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
5:18 pm

Keep Up the Name Jacking

LOL!! So you still accuse me of doing what you were caught doing. Poor baby. Get over it, twit. (Again, notice that I had the balls to address you directly instead of gossiping like an old hen.)

So how is that lawsuit going counselor? Have you filed, yet? You big time lawyers sure are a scary bunch.

Looks like you had a bad weekend, already. You boyfriend was here last night but you, (at least your normal name) wasn’t here. Did you Mom take away your computer privileges, or were you hangin at the mall with all the other pizza faced kids?

You didn’t beat her up again, did you? You know that the next times lands you in boot camp and a frail little thing like you would never make it.

Here’s a lesson, little boy. When your very first post of the day accuses me of doing something that you have been caught at, expect these kinds of posts. I would just as soon ignore your dumb ass being that you are so scared for your personal safety and all.

Get it, boy?

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February 12th, 2011
5:19 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight! @ 4:45

You can do better than that. That was the most illogical reply I have seen from you to date.

But thanks for the input.

Out for awhile ………… be nice to each other.

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February 12th, 2011
5:20 pm

Jeanne T.

Excellent points !

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
5:24 pm

Kammy

Reagan has been dead for years and his administration was 30 years ago. When you liberals start to take responsibility for George Wallace, your hysterics about Reagan will have some credibility.

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
5:26 pm

Kammy and Keep Up the Name Jacking

Ta ta, boys.

It’s Saturday Night in Atlanta. You two might not have anything better to do with your life, but I sure do.

No tongues!!!

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
5:27 pm

When you liberals start to take responsibility for George Wallace…

George Wallace, as president signed a bill granting amnesty to illegal immigrants?

Is that what you’re trying to say?

Richard_Iowa

February 12th, 2011
5:33 pm

No one, except for you, has stated that George Wallace was president. Your “prose” is not all that up to par. Could you at least try to be a bit more articulate.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
5:36 pm

No one, except for you, has stated that George Wallace was president.

The comparison, Dickie-poo, was Wallace to Reagan.

Do try to keep up.

Richard_Iowa

February 12th, 2011
6:06 pm

You make absolutely no sense and have yet to state a position that is understandable. Playing cute to make up for lack of insight is getting a bit boring. Your statement “The comparison, Dickie-poo, was Wallace to Reagan” is completely meaningless.

carlosgvv

February 12th, 2011
6:29 pm

Here’s something for you to think about:

1. Christians believe The New Testament is the revealed word of God.
2. Christians believe Jesus is the Messiah.
3. Abortion is NOT mentioned by name in The New Testament.
4. If Jesus really is the Messiah he would certainly have known what
abortion is, and would have condemmed it if it is a sin.
5. So please stop using Christianity as a reason to oppose abortion.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
6:30 pm

“The comparison, Dickie-poo, was Wallace to Reagan” is completely meaningless.

Wow.

Reading comprehension just not your forte, huh?

If I gotta explain a false comparison to you, then you really should put your computer to better use.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
6:35 pm

Psycho Nonsense Chicken is so funny….tonight I bet he’ll be trying to cross the road. Head over to Popeye’s….they have a box for you Chicken. Sorry I dont meet your schedule when I head to the lake house…but noticed you had nothing to do on a Friday night apparently and this morning and you talk about others getting a life.

Cluck, Cluck, Cluck, Chickenbrain

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
6:36 pm

Scout 37… makes more sense that your….

Ah….nevermind

Curry

February 12th, 2011
6:37 pm

liberals shouldn’t be breeding. So put more abortion clinics in their neighborhoods, and like Obamas science czar recommended, put sterilants in the water, but only in democrat voting areas. Margaret Sanger spoke to a Klu Klux Klan rally as their special guest. We know who these people are.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
6:39 pm

Ooohhh, a lake house. I feel wealth envy coming on.

Mr. Right

February 12th, 2011
6:48 pm

Do ‘pro-lifers’ really care about babies?

2:39 pm February 11, 2011, by ctucker

DUH!! Lets change the headline to Do “pro-deathers” care about babies ? So who cares the most?

Mr. Right

February 12th, 2011
6:51 pm

carlosgvv

February 12th, 2011
6:29 pm

What part of “THOU SHALT NOT KILL” don’t you understand?

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
7:00 pm

Keep Up The Name Jacking

I was at a party until after midnight last night.

Glad your Mom has a lake house.

You boys have fun tonight.

Heading out.

carlosgvv

February 12th, 2011
7:11 pm

Mr. Right

Well, let’s see. Do you mean a police officer killing a criminal, the state killing a murderer, a soldier killing in war, or killing an armed intruder in your home? We would all agree the above is killing. Not all people think abortion is.

T-Town

February 12th, 2011
7:12 pm

I see the playpen is still open.