Do ‘pro-lifers’ really care about babies?

WASHINGTON — Jobs are Job No. 1, right?

Independent voters swung to the GOP in last November’s elections because they were disappointed — or angry — with Democrats over a stubbornly-high unemployment rate, polls show. So you’d think that the new House Republican majority would devote its first few months to legislation aimed at creating jobs.

But since staging futile votes to repeal health care reform, Republicans have been most animated about firing new shots in the culture war. They’ve taken aim at reproductive rights, introducing bills to further curb women’s access to safe and legal abortions. Last month, House Speaker John Boehner told reporters that a ban on federal funding for abortions is “one of our highest legislative priorities.”

I’m surprised at Boehner, who had seemed to heed the lessons of the stormy tenure of one of his GOP predecessors, Newt Gingrich. The House Speaker from Georgia reveled in exploiting wedge issues and lobbing rhetorical grenades — to the detriment of his party. Boehner seemed to understand that he needed to avoid Gingrich’s mistakes.

Besides, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels — the dream presidential candidate of many centrist Republicans — has urged the GOP to “call a truce on the so-called social issues” and concentrate on righting the economy.  And, if that weren’t enough reason to discourage a GOP foray into the abortion wars, there’s this: a federal regulation — the Hyde amendment — already bans taxpayer funding of abortions except for a few exceptions, including rape and incest.

But Boehner’s base still demands fidelity to a host of hot-button social issues. Tea partiers, in fact, don’t represent a political force driven by new concerns but, rather, a coalition of ultra-conservatives tearing pages from a very old playbook. Last week’s huge gathering here for ultra-conservatives — the annual CPAC meeting — devoted a panel to “The Pro-life Movement: Plans and Goals.”

If those same activists were concerned about the welfare of children once they emerged from the womb, I’d be more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. There are, certainly, some among anti-abortion activists who campaign dutifully on behalf of poor children — notably the clergy of the Catholic Church.

But, generally speaking, there’s a glaring contradiction in the ideology of anti-abortion proponents: They are passionate about the fetus but indifferent — if not hostile — to actual babies who need a generous social safety net. The same voters who protest Roe vs. Wade usually oppose traditional welfare for poor women, government-funded health care benefits for impoverished children and housing subsidies for poor families. Indeed, among the programs in the crosshairs of GOP budget-cutters is Women, Infants and Children (commonly known as WIC), which provides nutritional supplements to pregnant women and their babies.

That’s not the end of the illogic embedded in anti-abortion activism. Here’s where it gets really frustrating: Conservatives refuse to endorse the widespread use of contraceptives, which would lower the abortion rate. Republican budget-cutters have also targeted family planning programs, and conservatives continue to paint Planned Parenthood, which delivers a host of reproductive health services to women, as the devil’s handmaiden.

That simply makes no sense. Nearly half the pregnancies in the United States are unintended, and about four in ten of those unintended pregnancies result in abortions, according to the highly respected Guttmacher Institute, a non-profit dedicated to reproductive health and improved family planning. It stands to reason, then, that helping women to gain access to reliable contraceptives and to use them appropriately would reduce unintended pregnancies and abortions.

It’s no mystery why abortion rates are much lower in Western Europe. Those countries have adopted public policies that make birth control pills and other contraceptives cheap and widely available. If we did the same, abortion rates would drop sharply here, as well.

That’s one of those common sense solutions that social conservatives should embrace. So far, though, they’d rather keep fighting the same old battles.

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February 12th, 2011
4:28 pm

None of you out there addressed my two points yesterday :

1) MEN’S BODIES VS. WOMEN’S BODIES

25% of the 58,000+ names on the “Vietnam Wall” are male draftees who did not have the right to “control their own bodies.”

As a matter of fact, against their will they were sent to a place where other men would try to kill or maim them for life.

Registering for the draft is still the law of the land but the Supreme Court has said women are exempt.

I served in Vietnam (volunteered) so you won’t get much sympathy from me about a woman “controlling her own body”.

2) MICE VS. UNBORN CHILDREN

“Art project leads to arrest for UGA student”

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

“A month-long investigation has led to animal cruelty charges against a University of Georgia senior who killed several MICE for an art project, the Red and Black reports.

UGA police issued an arrest warrant Thursday for Mark Huie Starling, who allegedly destroyed the mice last November …………………….. He basically took a 2×4 and squashed each one of them,” Chief Williamson told UGA’s student newspaper.”

In other words, killing mice with a 2X4 is NOT o.k. (killing with a mouse trap is?) but killing unborn children by litterally pulling their limbs/body apart in the womb IS o.k.

What a sick society that protects its mice but not its unborn children.

God forgive us ………………..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:33 pm

Funny….Pyshco Nonsense Chicken is Free has a word for the day….”hater”. Funny how there always seems to be a lot of name jacking when the Psycho Chicken is around.

Doomy, yes people who dont have healthcare can get treatment in emergency care. The problem is that in some cases it is too late for matters that could have been prevented if they had been diagnosed earlier and it does not include continuing treatment.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:34 pm

Scout…red herrings again?

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
4:37 pm

…red herrings again still?

Sorry, that just called out for correction.

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February 12th, 2011
4:39 pm

DeborahinAthens

“a fetus is not a child until it breathes air on its own”

Consider this. That “fetus” can see (yes, they squint at light during in the womb surgeries), they can smell, they can taste (they suck their thumbs), they can hear and yes they CAN FEEL. They have brain waves !

Their little bodies also use oxygen in the very same manner you do. The only difference is the SOURCE of the oxygen ……… oxygen through their mouth or through their umbilical cord.

So what you are saying is what makes the fetus a child is the “SOURCE OF THE OXYGEN” – specifically from the air outside the womb.

Ma’am, their is no logic on this earth that would tell anyone that a “Source” determines humanity.

Otherwise, by your definition anyone undergoing heart transplant surgery (where oxygen for them does not come out of the “air”) would not be a human being.

Elinor Stickney

February 12th, 2011
4:39 pm

I wish those who are pro-life would show some concern about the nymerous young children who are abused and/or killed each year, often by a parent or boy or girlfriend. Neither have I learned about those protesting ‘the murder of babies’ adopting those infants.
I have heard protests about the demise of ‘babies being born wiath very serious birth defects, including one infant born with no brain. While money should not be a consideration, much of the care of those with severe defects is paid with public funds and I, personally, don’t want my taxes spent that way.

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February 12th, 2011
4:40 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight! :

Expected from you since you can’t win that debate.

Richard_Iowa

February 12th, 2011
4:42 pm

One way to loose an entire civilization is to have a liberal abortion policy. It’s a matter of mathematics that there must be so many births, I think it is around 1.2/family, to sustain a civilization. The US is currently around 2.0, while Japan is at 1.26 and on the brink. Add to that open borders and a liberal immigration policy where people coming in do not run to the abortion mills and within a couple of generations an entire cililization will have collapsed to be replaced by something else; whatever that is. Also, the US is facing a very real crisis in the Social Security trust fund. I wonder how much would be contributed to SS by the ~50 million individuals who have been aborted if they were currently in the work force. There is more to abortion than ideology.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:45 pm

Scout…what fight? Soldiers dying in a war vs a womans right to choose. Red herring — volunteer soldiers do have a right to chose a career.

Animal cruelty v. abortion — pure silly time argument. But hey if you are comparing developing eggs and the termination — shouldn’t you be at a Denny’s screaming everytime they crack an egg?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:47 pm

Kam…you’re correction is accurate. Birthers 8)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
4:47 pm

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
4:48 pm

Add to that open borders and a liberal immigration policy…

It was St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun that signed the 1986 amnesty bill, sport.

I suggest you start there with your poutrage.

HoneyCrisp

February 12th, 2011
5:00 pm

Abortion, the un-holy sacrament of the liberal left.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
5:06 pm

Sock-puppets, the pathetic creations to deceive.

Montjoie

February 12th, 2011
5:06 pm

1. No baby “asks to be born.” Suggesting that they have to is just flat stupid. 2. Legislation doesn’t create jobs. So other than that, nice article.

Richard_Iowa

February 12th, 2011
5:09 pm

Kamchak wrote, “It was St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun that signed the 1986 amnesty bill, sport. I suggest you start there with your poutrage.” First of all, I could care less who opened the doors. Again, it is not a matter of ideology, the numbers tell the tale, Second,
since you brought it up it was the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (Hart-Cellar Acta and signed into law by President Johnson) that replaced the Immigration Act of 1924 that opened our borders. Senator Ted Kennedy D-Smirnoff was a strong supporter of this act and stated, “First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same…. Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset…. Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia…. In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think…. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.” Ol’ Ted was so insightful. He shudda been a rocket scientist.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
5:12 pm

First of all, I could care less who opened the doors.

Gonna have to throw a penalty flag, and call bull-sh_t on that one, sport.

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February 12th, 2011
5:14 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

P.S.

You need to check your definitions.

red herring:

“Something that draws attention away from the central issue.”

1) The argument is whether or not the fetus is a human being. Since I am providing evidence that it is a human being I am drawing attention TO the central issue.

2) The argument is whether or not a human being has the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to control their own body. Since I am providing evidence that there are exceptions to an ABSOLUTE RIGHT to control ones own body I am drawing attention TO the central issue.

By the way, some exceptions to the “absolute right” fallacy are:

The military draft in time of war.
Going to prison against your will.
Going to a mental institution against your will.
Going to an assisted living complex against your will.
Certain mandatory vaccinations.
Jury Duty.

Jeanne T.

February 12th, 2011
5:18 pm

Cynthia’s arguments are so full of holes it’s hard too know where to start. Here goes:

“there’s a glaring contradiction in the ideology of anti-abortion proponents: They are passionate about the fetus but indifferent — if not hostile — to actual babies who need a generous social safety net.The same voters who protest Roe vs. Wade usually oppose traditional welfare for poor women, government-funded health care benefits for impoverished children and housing subsidies for poor families.”

This is patently false. We’d rather spend our own money to directly support groups that help women in crisis pregnancies than have our tax dollars go to programs that only encourage promiscuity, discourage marriage, and keep women on welfare. The Federal Government does not “care” about women or babies; only people do. Why don’t crisis pregnancy centers receive Federal funds? Has Cynthia ever visited a CPC?

“Conservatives refuse to endorse the widespread use of contraceptives, which would lower the abortion rate. Republican budget-cutters have also targeted family planning programs, and conservatives continue to paint Planned Parenthood, which delivers a host of reproductive health services to women, as the devil’s handmaiden…..That simply makes no sense. Nearly half the pregnancies in the United States are unintended, and about four in ten of those unintended pregnancies result in abortions, according to the highly respected Guttmacher Institute, a non-profit dedicated to reproductive health and improved family planning. It stands to reason, then, that helping women to gain access to reliable contraceptives and to use them appropriately would reduce unintended pregnancies and abortions.”

Not true. First, Cynthia wrongly assumes that unplanned pregnancies mean these children are “unwanted” (unwanted by whom, by the way?). There is no such thing as a “planned” child. All of us, when it comes down to it, were “unplanned.” Furthermore, the value of human life is not based on the circumstances of one’s conception and birth.

Pro-lifers” have a long history going back to Moses. It was the Hebrew women who disobeyed the Pharoah’s orders to slay their male babies.

God’s people were forbidden to imitate the pagan practices of the Canaanites, who sacrificed their children to Baal. Because God is pro-life and human sacrifice is an abomination. Abortion is human sacrifice.

Rome: The early Christians rescued baby girls who had been given the “thumbs down” by their fathers and left outside the walls of Rome to die.

Christians have always rescued babies in pagan cultures where females have little value and that leave little girls to die (India, China, etc.) at birth. India has a very high rate of sex selection (discrimination) abortion.

In Muslim cultures, girls are not valued at all.

The early feminists were almost always pro-life. That is a fact.

Cynthia should also do her homework on Planned Parenthood, whose founder Margaret Sanger was a promiscuous woman and a racist who believed in Eugenics. Cynthia should also ask herself why Planned Parenthood conveniently puts up its clinics in minority neighborhoods. Abortion among blacks is nothing more than genocide.

Yes, we really care about babies, and we care about their mothers, too.

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
5:18 pm

Keep Up the Name Jacking

LOL!! So you still accuse me of doing what you were caught doing. Poor baby. Get over it, twit. (Again, notice that I had the balls to address you directly instead of gossiping like an old hen.)

So how is that lawsuit going counselor? Have you filed, yet? You big time lawyers sure are a scary bunch.

Looks like you had a bad weekend, already. You boyfriend was here last night but you, (at least your normal name) wasn’t here. Did you Mom take away your computer privileges, or were you hangin at the mall with all the other pizza faced kids?

You didn’t beat her up again, did you? You know that the next times lands you in boot camp and a frail little thing like you would never make it.

Here’s a lesson, little boy. When your very first post of the day accuses me of doing something that you have been caught at, expect these kinds of posts. I would just as soon ignore your dumb ass being that you are so scared for your personal safety and all.

Get it, boy?

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February 12th, 2011
5:19 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight! @ 4:45

You can do better than that. That was the most illogical reply I have seen from you to date.

But thanks for the input.

Out for awhile ………… be nice to each other.

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February 12th, 2011
5:20 pm

Jeanne T.

Excellent points !

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
5:24 pm

Kammy

Reagan has been dead for years and his administration was 30 years ago. When you liberals start to take responsibility for George Wallace, your hysterics about Reagan will have some credibility.

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
5:26 pm

Kammy and Keep Up the Name Jacking

Ta ta, boys.

It’s Saturday Night in Atlanta. You two might not have anything better to do with your life, but I sure do.

No tongues!!!

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
5:27 pm

When you liberals start to take responsibility for George Wallace…

George Wallace, as president signed a bill granting amnesty to illegal immigrants?

Is that what you’re trying to say?

Richard_Iowa

February 12th, 2011
5:33 pm

No one, except for you, has stated that George Wallace was president. Your “prose” is not all that up to par. Could you at least try to be a bit more articulate.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
5:36 pm

No one, except for you, has stated that George Wallace was president.

The comparison, Dickie-poo, was Wallace to Reagan.

Do try to keep up.

Richard_Iowa

February 12th, 2011
6:06 pm

You make absolutely no sense and have yet to state a position that is understandable. Playing cute to make up for lack of insight is getting a bit boring. Your statement “The comparison, Dickie-poo, was Wallace to Reagan” is completely meaningless.

carlosgvv

February 12th, 2011
6:29 pm

Here’s something for you to think about:

1. Christians believe The New Testament is the revealed word of God.
2. Christians believe Jesus is the Messiah.
3. Abortion is NOT mentioned by name in The New Testament.
4. If Jesus really is the Messiah he would certainly have known what
abortion is, and would have condemmed it if it is a sin.
5. So please stop using Christianity as a reason to oppose abortion.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
6:30 pm

“The comparison, Dickie-poo, was Wallace to Reagan” is completely meaningless.

Wow.

Reading comprehension just not your forte, huh?

If I gotta explain a false comparison to you, then you really should put your computer to better use.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
6:35 pm

Psycho Nonsense Chicken is so funny….tonight I bet he’ll be trying to cross the road. Head over to Popeye’s….they have a box for you Chicken. Sorry I dont meet your schedule when I head to the lake house…but noticed you had nothing to do on a Friday night apparently and this morning and you talk about others getting a life.

Cluck, Cluck, Cluck, Chickenbrain

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2011
6:36 pm

Scout 37… makes more sense that your….

Ah….nevermind

Curry

February 12th, 2011
6:37 pm

liberals shouldn’t be breeding. So put more abortion clinics in their neighborhoods, and like Obamas science czar recommended, put sterilants in the water, but only in democrat voting areas. Margaret Sanger spoke to a Klu Klux Klan rally as their special guest. We know who these people are.

Kamchak

February 12th, 2011
6:39 pm

Ooohhh, a lake house. I feel wealth envy coming on.

Mr. Right

February 12th, 2011
6:48 pm

Do ‘pro-lifers’ really care about babies?

2:39 pm February 11, 2011, by ctucker

DUH!! Lets change the headline to Do “pro-deathers” care about babies ? So who cares the most?

Mr. Right

February 12th, 2011
6:51 pm

carlosgvv

February 12th, 2011
6:29 pm

What part of “THOU SHALT NOT KILL” don’t you understand?

Nothing Is Free

February 12th, 2011
7:00 pm

Keep Up The Name Jacking

I was at a party until after midnight last night.

Glad your Mom has a lake house.

You boys have fun tonight.

Heading out.

carlosgvv

February 12th, 2011
7:11 pm

Mr. Right

Well, let’s see. Do you mean a police officer killing a criminal, the state killing a murderer, a soldier killing in war, or killing an armed intruder in your home? We would all agree the above is killing. Not all people think abortion is.

T-Town

February 12th, 2011
7:12 pm

I see the playpen is still open.