Palin’s crosshairs and the First Amendment

As much fun as it is to call out the clueless Sarah Palin for her long list of gaffes, lies and inflammatory nonsense, neither she or her supporters caused the Arizona atrocity. If Jared Loughner, the suspect, is the culprit, it’s likely that we’ll find that he suffers from a serious mental illness — perhaps paranoid schizophrenia — and probably hears voices. Maybe he hears Palin. It’s just as likely he hears Zeus or the Green Hornet.
Palin has taken a lot of grief since the shooting spree because of an irresponsible image she used on her Facebook page during the campaign. In listing a group of Democratic Congressional seats that she wanted Republicans to win, she used a map of the United States and imposed images of gunsights over several Congressional seats. One of those was the seat held by Congresswoman Gabby Giffords.
(Palin has since claimed the image wasn’t crosshairs, but that’s nonsense. It was.)
In response, U.S. Rep. Bob Brady (D-Pa.) wants to make it illegal to use such imagery. He told Fox News yesterday (via TPM):

“It wouldn’t be harm putting that in the bill. It is on both sides. It’s not a partisan bill. Again, we’ve got to stop our bickering amongst each other. We’re setting a bad example for the American people. We need to cut down rhetoric amongst each other. We can disagree without being so disagreeable,” Brady said.

I agree with Brady that we can disagree without being disagreeable. But his proposal for outlawing political speech is foolish and dangerous — as much a threat as a lunatic with a gun. The freedom that Americans enjoy to say almost whatever they like — especially in the political arena — is one of the cornerstones of this great democracy. Brady ought to be ashamed of trying to impose limits on that freedom.

There is no evidence that Loughner ever saw Palin’s Facebook page. But even if the investigation shows that he was specifically motivated by it, such imagery should not be outlawed. (Whether Palin should have used better judgement is quite another matter. She should have, as should all the violent-imagery-worshiping pols who have seen fit to invoke martial accessories for their ads.)

Last week, when Speaker John Boehner set aside time for the new House to read the U.S. Constitution aloud, U.S. Rep. Giffords read the First Amendment. Afterwards, she told several people that she was especially pleased that was the part she was given.

It would dishonor her for Brady to push a law that infringes on that sacred text.

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Jimmy62

January 11th, 2011
8:00 am

It’s just another excuse to take away freedom and increase control. Brady and his ilk can’t stand that people are allowed to say things they don’t like, and this law would give them another tool to use to shut up people they disagree with.

Even if Loughner had seen Palin’s page and was a big follower of hers (which he was not, by all indications he was a liberal, but politics had nothing to do with him being a crazy nutbag), I would still support Palin’s right to say what she wants.

Now if her Facebook page had said, “Please find yourself a gun and shoot these people” that would be a different story. Incitement to murder. But that’s not what she said, and only deeply partisan, angry, disturbed folks are sharpening their pitchforks for her.

smooveb

January 11th, 2011
8:05 am

“Maybe he hears Palin. It’s just as likely he hears Zeus or the Green Hornet.”

From what I understand, his facebook page says his favorite books are “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”. I think he is more likely to hear Stalin, Mao or Hitler.

Peadawg

January 11th, 2011
8:05 am

I’ll have to say I’m impressed with your blog today, Cynthia. Very well said.

arnold

January 11th, 2011
8:07 am

Not everyone is incited to murder by the comments of others, but a nut case can be triggered by anything. I just don’t see a need to even hint at killing someone. Words and symbols do have meaning. That meaning can easily be distorted.

ctucker

January 11th, 2011
8:08 am

Jimmy62 and smooveb, In the wake of the weekend atrocity, all you can think of is to try to make Loughner a liberal? That’s where your head is? That’s pathetic

Frozen Over

January 11th, 2011
8:09 am

Start looking for the four horseman because CT makes sense today. Crazy has no political affiliation, and we have to protect free speech rights to the end

Jethro

January 11th, 2011
8:09 am

The answer is not to neuter free speech.

there are loons out there, and no matter how much we neuter speech, some nut somewhere will take offense to a coin of a phrase – or even imagine one up – by which they can be provoked and thus justified.

No, the answer is within us. We look so much for the “10 second soundbite” in what we say that we don’t bother to attempt a more lucid, rational discourse. The soundbite is sometimes humorous, sometimes cruel, but almoost always invective. To quote Walt Kelley, “We have seen the enemy, and it is us.”

quod erat demonstrandum

January 11th, 2011
8:14 am

CT,

After the media spray painted this loner as a right winger and or tea partier, guess what, you are all wrong again.

In a free society you can yell fire in a crowded theater, just be prepared to pay for your actions. Unlike the media, I think this guy was a wack job from day #1. He wasn’t political, or at least it doesn’t appear so from the media reports.

It was appalling to see the left using broad brushes to paint this guy in political terms. At least the folks on FOX used some restraint and reported what was available and not what their opinion was, like the LEO on the news did.

Wilma

January 11th, 2011
8:17 am

Of course our hypocrite in residence failes to mention the democrats who used similiar language and similair images only a few years ago.
Shame on those who rushed to make political hay on the acts of an apparent madman. It seems that the leadership of the progressives leaped to political advatange before we even knew the name of the gunman, much less anything about him.
Tucker has the good sense to only nibble around the edges since her house on the subject of inaappropriate speech is glasss from end to end.

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
8:19 am

I’ve read that those scary crosshairs were actually surveyors symbols. Just saying. It’s kind of like people looking at military style weapons and assuming that they’re automatic weapons. Scary is in the eye of the beholder.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
8:21 am

Definitely in agreement. Government prohibitions against language should always be questioned and very limited in restriction. Palin and others like her (whatever their political nature) should be held accountable by census by the public NOT by the government. Her denials after doubling and tripling down on the imagery is reprehensible.

DWTOO

January 11th, 2011
8:21 am

Congressman Brady’s heart may be in the right place, but, it’s definitley going to far. Men and women have fought and died for our right to free speech. This legislation would not solve anything. What we need is for each of us to stand up to anyone using inflammatory language and either ignore them or implore them to speak civily. If no one listens to them they’ll eventually go away.

At some point in your life your mother most have told you if you can’t say anything nice say nothing. Sage advice mom!

This doesn’t mean sharp discussion needs to go away – just have respect for those who don’t agree with you. And being anynomous (excuse spelling please) on a blog makes it easy to spout remarks you would never say in person. When typing try to think that people are sitting in a circle around you.

jt

January 11th, 2011
8:28 am

Why is anyone suprised? Violence is institutionalized.

Every piece of legislation enacted by congress, every order issued by a court, every action undertaken by government officials – whether at a state, local, or national level – has behind it the power to enforce such edicts or acts by the most violent methods to which such officials deem it necessary to resort.

Those who choose to repress an awareness of the vicious, violent, and dehumanized nature of the state will doubtless succumb to the self-serving claims of politicians who fashion themselves noble “public servants” who are victimized by the very violence they have made the central theme for their careers. Political systems – from the local Weed Control Commission to the Pentagon – are defined by their monopoly on the use of violence. Those who use lawful coercion to enforce their wills on others, should be the last heard to lament the “environment of violence” afoot in the land.

When John McCain angrily weighed in on the Tuscon shootings, I was reminded of his 2008 presidential campaign song-and-dance that went “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.”

[...] astonishing, most recently her pallid reaction to the Tuscon massacre, as well as her staff’s inane defense of the images of cross-haired gun sights over targeted districts held by Democrats, including [...]

Joey

January 11th, 2011
8:29 am

MS. Tucker:
You are the person who opened her comments with “….clueless Sarah Palin and her long list of lies and inflammatory nonsense.” then closed the paragraph with “Maybe he hears Palin….”

Typical of you to ignore your comments and those of other Progressives while you criticize those who disagree.

Herman Cain

January 11th, 2011
8:36 am

hmmm…………. sorta like the pretender in chief telling the hispanics the republicans are the enemy.

Theresa

January 11th, 2011
8:38 am

…invoke marital accessories……

I hate it when I get outmarooned.

mountainpass

January 11th, 2011
8:39 am

“The freedom that Americans enjoy to say almost whatever they like — especially in the political arena — is one of the cornerstones of this great democracy”
CT I agree with your article today. I just wish you embraced the Second Amendment with such fervor.

Bob

January 11th, 2011
8:42 am

Different day same 10-12 with the blue or red hats on. WWhat a waste of time, you even do this when your not iced in. I can’t wait to get back to work. Two days of this is enough.

dougmo2

January 11th, 2011
8:43 am

CT- ” all you can think of is to try to make Loughner a liberal? That’s where your head is? That’s pathetic”

The same could be said of you CT. Show me, (in this thread) ANY FACTS that ANY conservative postings led to this shooting. Remember FACTS not OPINONS. We are waiting.

quod erat demonstrandum

January 11th, 2011
8:44 am

On the other hand, I was proud that people didn’t just stand there during the shooting. While trying to reload his semi-automatic weapon, 3 unrelated citizens attacked and subdued the shooter.

This proves to me, that we ain’t dead yet. people still care.

gator24

January 11th, 2011
8:45 am

There is no way to compare speech from liberals and conservatives. The conservatives were so hunger for power and wanting to win back the congress, they were saying about anything they could. Look at what happen during the HC debate, they were all lying about death panels, they were attending Tea Party rallies to encourage them to act out, at the congress they were on the balcony cheering Tea Party members when they were protesting.
There was no member of the Republican party who would stand up to Rush Limbaugh, they were all afraid of him.
The Know Nothing Voters put them back in charge of the House this year after they did nothing for two years.
Palin is an idiot who’s now silent because of her stupid remarks concerning the 2010 midterm elections

quod erat demonstrandum

January 11th, 2011
8:48 am

gator24,

Are you on the same planet as the rest of us?

Where does the hate speech come from – the left. It is the left that is telling you that Beck, Rush and others are talking trash about you. They aren’t.

It is the left that is saying the right wants you to die quickly if you get sick, not the right.

I think you should stop reading the Daily Kos and start doing your own research.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
8:51 am

Bob

I picked up two office workers this morning. Roads are bad, but my old front wheel drive Chevy did OK.

I usually walk to work. We are back in business.

I’m with you. A full day here yesterday and I couldn’t shower enough last night.

Good luck with the losers that live here every day.

Jack

January 11th, 2011
8:52 am

It matters not what a Republican says, liberal fault finders wll disagree. If Palin is nothing more than a source of gaffes, lies and inflammatory nonsense, the Alaskan voters wouldn’t have elected her governor.

carlosgvv

January 11th, 2011
8:55 am

As much as I dislike Sara Palin, I have to agree. The shooter is insane and meant to kill as many people as possible. The real question is what will lawmakers do to keep people like this from getting guns. The answer, of course, is nothing.

jconservative

January 11th, 2011
9:06 am

“If Palin is nothing more than a source of gaffes, lies and inflammatory nonsense, the Alaskan voters wouldn’t have elected her governor.”

True. Then she opened her mouth on the national stage. Then she quit on Alaska. She, in effect, said “me first”, “constituents last”.

Would she win a state wide election in Alaska again? Evidence, the failed election of her candidate Miller, to a write-in candidate says she would not. (How on earth can the Republican candidate for senator in Alaska lose to a write-in candidate?)

The next 22 months will be interesting.

LeeH1

January 11th, 2011
9:07 am

It’s a shame Republican leaders won’t admit responsibility and become accountable for their statements. They are all so defensive. Rush Limbough keeps saying that any criticism of him or his ranting will destroy politcal discourse in America.

Thinks pretty highly of himself, don’t he?

Palin insists she had done nothing to incite crazy people. She insists that the marks were survey marks, not gunsights. She insists Obama is an alien from Kenya. She insists that he isn’t Christian. she insists that he is trying to destroy America. But certainly she doesn’t attack other people personally- just their policies!

Nothing wrong with political discourse. But the policy of personal attack and destruction developed by Gingrich needs to be toned down.

John

January 11th, 2011
9:09 am

“Brady ought to be ashamed of trying to impose limits on that freedom.”

I disagree…this is a discussion that we should be having and debated. This past election cycle has really gotten out of hand and calls to tone it down have been ignored. It’s not just Sarah Palin’s crosshairs map. Does the 1st and/or 2nd amendment allow guns to be brought to political rallies? Does free speech allow candidates to shoot at targets of a silhouette with their opponents initials on it? Does a politician (or anyone for that matter) have a right under the 1st amendment to talk about applying 2nd amendment remedies when they disagree with the government? Does the 1st amendment, for instance, allow me the right to post online elected officials home or office addresses and tell people to throw bricks into the windows of our elected officials? Over the past few years, kids have been arrested for posting threats on school campuses. Should politicians and those in the media be held the the same standards as others?

fultonresident

January 11th, 2011
9:12 am

Palin has appealed to the far right “guns for everyone crowd” gloriofying shooting and encouraging people like Sharon Anglin who talked about “second amendment solutions” Regardless of how hard the extreme right, Fox news, Limbaugh, Hannity, Malkin and others try to clean up Ms. Palin’s gaffes and their promotion of the NRA crowd, we will always associate the Mayor from Wasilla with “drill baby drill” before the BP fiasco and now “reload” with the Tuscon tragedy.
The rhetoric that is unacceptable is rhetoric that glorifies gun ownership and places it as a proper means of expressing opinions about opponents. The supreme court with its activist judges have added to the glorification of gun ownership by making the preamble of the second amendment into irrelevant gibberish by our founding fathers. If guns get associated with a “well regulated militia”
or a public right limited to those fit to own guns and not any psychotic college student out to commit assassination and suicide so as to send their psychotic message to the world, we all would be able to sleep better at night. The right has seized on in the Heller decision to push broader and broader deregulation of guns in every legislative body and the courts has led to a culture of ” second amendment ” worshippers like Ms. Palin and Ms. Anglin. Our founders added another qualification to the second amendment in the preamble “being necessary for the security of a free state” Please someone explain how selling a semi automatic gun and extended cartridges to the latest gun crazed psycho to make headlines added to the security of a free state. Five activist supreme court justices a well funded special interest group protecting the gun sellers and complacent legislators as well as excessive gun worship have a direct link to the mayhem we see every day. So yes there is a link no matter how hard the Fox news crowd tries to delink Ms. Palin.

Middle of the Road and Looking Both Ways

January 11th, 2011
9:13 am

@CT thanks for trying to take a stab (no pun intended) at asking people to protect our freedom of speech and stating the shooter is insane and probably has no political affliation. We need to stop the labeling of “liberal” or “conservative” and dismissing all reasonable discussion because you “might be one of them”. We do not want the freedom of speech to be curtailed by fear or the acts of the insane.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
9:18 am

Excellent points John….those certainly are some of the points that should be discussed. Telling someone to throw bricks would already be a criminal act. But asking the question “We should reload our brick throwers so they are ready to attack” may be, but change attack to the word defend and it may be another answer. These questions and words must be assessed in context of its use.

The question may be lawful, but it is wise and should we tolerate those who use those words.

godless heathen

January 11th, 2011
9:19 am

I use those “crosshair” symbols on maps and drawings all the time. Never occurred to me that they were gun sight crosshairs. Grasping at straws to try and pin this on the lovely huntress.

Mexican Jiggilo

January 11th, 2011
9:19 am

CT…whats pathetic is that you and your liberal cromies are trying to paint him some RW nut. Once again you contradict yourself, not surprising. You start saying that Palin nor any political figure is responsible but yet you say maybe he hears Palin. CT face it…as usual you and your liberal homeboys are trying not to let a crisis go to waste, (quote Rham). CT didn’t DAily Kos say something like Giffords was dead for not voting for Pelosi. How come thats not coming out of the mouth any liberal. 2004 DNC had bullseyes over Rep districts. None of this is mentioned. Nice try CT once again your post shows your left wing agenda…how laughable

Truth-O-Meter

January 11th, 2011
9:21 am

CT, thank you for a thoughtful article. You didn’t blame SP; in fact you gave her more credit than I would have. I do not, and no one should blame her for this tragedy. But she is a smart, savvy politician who understands the power of words and suggestions. I think some responses to your articles speak to the intolerance that has become too often the norm. Some disagree it seems just for the sake of disagreeing and throw in an insult for good measure. What Sarah Palin, Republicans, Democrats and all others in between need to understand is that they are displaying a model of what political discourse is in this country. If we want more thoughtful young people in public service, we need to model that.
I can’t help remember how Gov. Palin came out the box on nomination night throwing punches. Her party loved it and it “begat” more, but only with others joining in on what they saw as a new “model” of politics.
This kind of discourse makes me nervous because like many, I remember the hate speech that most often preceded the assassination of MLK, and other civil rights leaders. Historically there were others such as Lincoln who paid with their lives for their unpopular stands. If we remember that history how can we deny that words have consequences? It seems that we never question the influence of anti-American speech by terrorists and how it often precedes acts of violence against our citizens. We need to also admit that anti-government, anti-party speech can have the same consequence. Maybe not this time, but we still need to make a change in our public discourse.

godless heathen

January 11th, 2011
9:23 am

30,000 highway deaths in the US in 2009. 40% attributed to excessive speed. Let’s limit the speed of any car sold in the USA to 25 mph, to protect innocent lives. How does that idea grab you gun grabbers?

Fang1944

January 11th, 2011
9:29 am

Let’s see: If you threaten to kill somebody, you go to jail. If you talk to another person and plan to kill somebody, you go to jail. How about if you talk to millions of people (who are already in a lather because the President is a partly black, somewhat liberal man) and tell them to target certain people, to look for a Second Amendment solution, to take out Harry Reid, to prefer bullets to ballots, to be armed and dangerous? Seems to me that’s over the line for protected speech.

And, godless heathen, cars have nothing whatever to do with semiautomatic weapons. It is truly childish to keep bringing up cars in a discussion like this.

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January 11th, 2011
9:29 am

Mexican Jiggilo, did you even READ the article?

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
9:30 am

I’m still reading some of the articles on this. When you get a chance, graze the articles and read some of the posts. People are still trying to tie the Tea Party and any conservative group to this. I mean any group. The only group name I haven’t seen is the Boy Scouts.

kayaker 71

January 11th, 2011
9:32 am

Let’s see just how anti gun you become when some big dude comes crashing through your bedroom door at 4:00AM with some drug crazed idea of doing bad things to you and your family. News flash….. he’s not there for a cup of coffee and a chat. Read over and over about Atlanta violence with at least one home invasion every day or two resulting in the death or injury of the homeowner. And you don’t want to the armed? Pity the poor person who comes into my home unannounced.

Real Athens

January 11th, 2011
9:36 am

Wow. I didn’t know that Hitler, Stalin and Mao all espoused the same political philosophies.

godless heathen

January 11th, 2011
9:37 am

Fang: The relationship between cars and guns is about freedom and saving lives. Don’t you want to save lives?

set the record straight

January 11th, 2011
9:38 am

For the record, the ex-Gov. herself referred to the markings as “crosshairs” in November. But she didn’t cause the shooting and should not be blamed for it. However, this is as good a time as any to start the discussion of how we return civility and reason to the public discussion. Why not do it now?
Wilma, I’d love to see some examples of Dems using the same or worse violent imagery in campaigns or debates. All of it should be on the table, not just SP.
It would help if some of you read the article, rather than just jump to the conclusion that CT is blaming SP>

JimW

January 11th, 2011
9:38 am

I thought I must be reading the wrong OpEd, but then the little jab at Sarah Palin reminded me that it must be you. This is an excellent post, Cynthia and a worthy thought. The brave men an women who died protecting our first amendment rights would be proud.

I also agree with other posters that this over-the-top liberal and conservative bashing is a real problem. It’s all about demonizing the other side and stirring up base emotions with inflamatory rhetoric. The days of reasoned, civil debate on issues of substance are apparently long-gone and I, for one, miss them.

John

January 11th, 2011
9:38 am

@godless heathen

“I use those “crosshair” symbols on maps and drawings all the time. Never occurred to me that they were gun sight crosshairs. Grasping at straws to try and pin this on the lovely huntress.”

When you use those “crosshair” symbols on maps and drawings, do you also refer to them as “targets”? Do you use the phase “Don’t retreat, reload” as well?

Michael H. Smith

January 11th, 2011
9:39 am

Not particularly worried about the first amendment Ms. Tucker, it is safe. This bill has all the earmarks of a constitutional defeat before it ever has a chance of making it through the House.

On the other hand, the second amendment is of greater concern in light of this atrocity that took place in AZ and the fierce attacks that shall be launched against it in the aftermath of this tragedy. Now, let’s be perfectly clear about something from the get-go: Government does not have the authority to ban any of our rights. (more on this in a sec) However, no right is unlimited, all of our rights and the rights of government are limited, they are all subject to restraints. Like the rule of time and place the court uses to define the extent of our rights. The Constitution is used to define the extent of government’s rights.

To the point:

Yes, we do have the right to own a gun and bullets that go with it but we do not have the right to use that gun at any time or place we choose. (the rule of time and place applies).
Now let’s get down to the real nitty-gritty and the question that will be used to attack our second amendment right to bear arms in defense, et al Scalia, of home and hearth.

Does the Constitution restrict government from defining or restricting what type of gun and bullets we have a right to bear? Keep in mind, et al Scalia, that there is no unlimited rights, which includes no unlimited Bill of Rights, wherein the second amendment is found.

Not to jump your topic Ms. Tucker but there is a connection between the first and second amendments though I’m not going down that rabbit trail. Suffice it to say, we must at all time defend all of our rights against the unexpected, no matter how outrageous the unexpected may seem if we intend to keep any of them and remain a free Republic.

godless heathen

January 11th, 2011
9:39 am

Folks like Fang don’t really want to save lives, they just want to control other people.

sally

January 11th, 2011
9:41 am

Here come the gun goons defending their right to carry weapons of mass destruction. Weak, pathetic men. The lot of them.

Jimmy62

January 11th, 2011
9:43 am

Cynthia: I wasn’t blaming this on him being a liberal, I was pointing out the silliness of blaming it on any politics when the guy was just a nutcase.

But I guess you were just looking for someone to attack, rather than try to comprehend and understand a point.

quod erat demonstrandum

January 11th, 2011
9:44 am

Real Athens,

Yeah, amazing isn’t it. Stalin, Mao and Hitler were all socialists or communist. According to several sources, Socialism is a stepping stone to Communism. To make it simple enough for the folks in mid-town, Socialism, tells businesses how they will run their business, Communism owns the business.

Government control of business is not in the best interest of a free people.

cosby

January 11th, 2011
9:45 am

Well CT, I agree qwith you and that my dear is scary..however, about the map that everyone is bringing up that Palin used. I understand others have use the same imagery / maps as well. Wish I had time to look into it but I believe it is GPS, or whatever. You do not have to like Palin or Rush or anyone but this hate stuff has to cease and the sherriff certainly spread a lot around. To bad he is not a proficient in doing his job as spreading hate.

bman

January 11th, 2011
9:45 am

The ice has me stuck so, what do I do? Check out Cynthia Tucker’s latest & greatest. Still nothing good here. .

midtownguy

January 11th, 2011
9:46 am

I am a clinical psychologist by education even though I have not worked in the field in years (very little money to be made, I confess as the reason). But the reason we have to be so careful about our public speech/images is because of the unstable among us. When influential people like politicians and pundits start saying things like “Bush organized 9/11 so he could attack Iraq and make his friends rich” or “Abortion clinic staff are murderers” you are demonizing the individual rather than disagreeing with the action. This justifies, in an unstable mind, an attack on the individual.

I don’t think Sara Palin or her crosshairs had anything to do with the tragedy in Tuscon. This guy seems to be all over the place. Probably wanted his fifteen minutes of fame more than anything. That smiling mug shot of his is haunting. But I do hope it serves to make people in positions of influence more careful and aware of the power of their words.

Del,

January 11th, 2011
9:46 am

Cynthia is correct about rejecting Bob Brady’s over reaction, however, she just couldn’t keep herself from knocking Sarah Palin while giving her liberal democrats a pass. The words from Paul Krugman and some other prominent democrats along with the idiot sheriff Stupnik shortly after this tragedy attempting to politicize it was an outrage. Stupnik was evidently the source of the disinformation that Lougner was an Afghanistan veteran and a Tea Party member.

retired early

January 11th, 2011
9:46 am

Cynthia

Did these bloggers on the Right read the same article as I just read ? There is Nothing in your opinion that could be remotely interpreted as anti Right, yet those on the right criticize it nonetheless…there is NO HOPE for them becoming well informed or having a balanced opinion…absolutely…..hopeless. I don’t know how your stomach their nonsense week in and week out.

Jimmy62

January 11th, 2011
9:47 am

Here comes Sally, trying to sell her freedom (and yours) to whatever politician makes Chris Matthew’s leg tingle next.

quod erat demonstrandum

January 11th, 2011
9:47 am

cosby,

I have posted the link to the different Democratic maps, but the editorial staff has my links on hold pending review.

smooveb

January 11th, 2011
9:48 am

Jimmy62 @ 9:43

Ditto! Thanks, man.

Michael H. Smith

January 11th, 2011
9:48 am

Quite to the contrary Sally, you might be very shocked at my answer to the question I posed. I’m sure upon hearing it you will be able to knock Ms. Tucker over with a feather. (in a manner of speaking, don’t assault her)

paleo-neo-Carlinist, aka Joe the Plutocrat

January 11th, 2011
9:49 am

I swore of these pointless blogs as my 2011 resolution, but as I told JB, I am not above giving myself a “Mulligan”. truth be told, I can’t sit back and watch you folks (media) continue to shill for the plutocracy (which owns you). you have no authority to declare or pronounce the shooter as “mentally ill”. is Sarah Palin “mentally ill”? are the birthers “mentally ill”? how about Sharon Angle and her “second amendment solution” minions? in dismissing the shooter as a “mentally ill loner” you (and the rest of the media) reduces this incident to the level of a random traffic accident or computer glitch, which actually enables the hate/fear-mongers and criminals like the shooter (I refuse to use his name). as far as the First Amendment goes; why hasn’t anyone asked this simple question; IF this incident never happened, would the issue of placing politicians in cross hairs and/or the habit of publicly opining about “second amendment solutions” and the slogan “don’t retreat, reload” be acceptable? there is a difference between Constitutional rights (free speech) and doing what is right, and it is clear that the plutocracy (which includes both the political class and their corporate owners) has its own definition of “right”. Palin is a discgrace and she SHOULD be tarred and feathered. her shameless backpedalling and the explanation as presented by her pathetic PR shill are shallow and empty. again, from the paleo-neo-Carlinist perspective, “mentally ill” is a very, very, VERY large net.

gun goon

January 11th, 2011
9:50 am

And sally when your rights and freedom are threatened, I’ll defend them too.

Owl

January 11th, 2011
9:52 am

The irresponsible image depicted 20 races, of which only two Democrats were elected. So sure, maybe some other symbolism would be appropriate- but who gets to choose the symbol? Al Sharpton…Glen Beck…Cynthia Tucker?! Either way, it was quite a shellacking.

sally

January 11th, 2011
9:54 am

The NRA needs to visit the wizard of oz, just a bunch of cowards.

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
9:56 am

Looks like my links are “awaiting moderation” also. Michelle Malkin has the links posted.

kayaker 71

January 11th, 2011
9:57 am

Sally,

Responsible gun ownership does not make you a goon. If someone at that rally had been armed, other than the shooter, you might have seen a quite different outcome. Otherwise, the general public is at the mercy of irresponsible gun owners with bad things in mind. These are the real goons.

Blue

January 11th, 2011
9:59 am

You have the nerve to call OTHERS pathetic? Your first line “As much fun as it is to call out the clueless Sarah Palin for her long list of gaffes, lies and inflammatory nonsense, neither she or her supporters caused the Arizona atrocity.” is pathetic, as are most of your articles. Always find a way to call someone in GOP a liar, incompetent, full of nonsense. ALWAYS…kind of like the Rev Lowery found a way to ridicule Bush while Bush was gracious enough to be at Coretta Scott King’s funeral, or the way the Dem’s took Wellstone’s funeral as an opportunity to scream at Republicans. Bet you didn’t call them pathetic because (drum roll please)…they are Democrats. Where is your outrage, also, at the “left” journalists and TV personalities who HAVE afixed blame to Palin, TP’s and Republicans for this? Yeah…they have far less influence than a couple of bloggers. Hack…

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
9:59 am

Others may have used crosshair symbol on maps but that is disingenuous. Did they also tweet about the “bullseye icons” on their maps. Did they also use “We’ll aim for these races and many others,” she wrote on her Facebook page. “This is just the first salvo in a fight to elect people across the nation who will bring common sense to Washington.” Did they also talk about reloading. Did they also encourage candidates who talked about second amendment remedies. In its overall context, including people attending political rallies with guns, people having politicial rallies at gun shops where targets are shot and some included the names/initials of elected officials on those targets, Ms. Palin clearly failed the test of responsible discussion.

Good Grief

January 11th, 2011
10:00 am

I wish Rep. Giffords and her family the best. And while this is a tragedy, I’ve found it sadly amusing that so many liberal pundits are taking this guy, who was described as a liberal by classmates, and saying that his actions were the result of right-wing hate speech. If only we could get right-wing opinions off the air. How dare those conservatives have a stranglehold on FoxNews and Talk Radio? I mean, liberals only have CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, Headline News, the AJC, the New York Post, Times, WaPo, Boston Globe, Hufington Post, etc.

mark in mid-town

January 11th, 2011
10:01 am

Democratic Party groups have used targeting symbols on maps as well. It’s been normal practice in politics, though much of the msm has been pretending that it’s only Palin who has ever done this.

Good Grief

January 11th, 2011
10:03 am

Keep Up – Are you suggesting we remove any and all language that could be described as potentially related to some sort of military/violent act?

nrb4

January 11th, 2011
10:03 am

Another gun and speech grab on the part of worthless Democrats.

These worthless human beings in government DESERVE TO BE AFRAID.

They HAVE to fear us, otherwise it turns into the other way around and we end up with Democrats helming another third reich!

These idiots are blaming a REACTION to the problem. The problem is our government. They are focusing on the REACTION to the problem.

We will NEVER be silenced.

You worthless democrats will NEVER be allowed to turn us into a socialist country.

Blue

January 11th, 2011
10:06 am

LeeH1; yeah, because we all know that the left has never employed a “policy of personal attack”. Never hearrd any comparisons from the left about Bush being Hitler, an “illegal war for oil”, etc. Keep going with your liberal play book; you sound just like the writer of this piece of tripe.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
10:06 am

Grief…my position has been posted on several blogs at Jay’s and CT’s including earlier today. You are welcome to read it.

Joey

January 11th, 2011
10:07 am

Sally:
“Weak pathetic men” and a “bunch of cowards” ouch. I am cut to the quick. To make me feel better I going out today to buy that little 25 caliber that Teresa has been wanting for her purse.

rightwingextreme

January 11th, 2011
10:08 am

CT, I would have given you an A on this article, and believe me, you haven’t earned any previously, if you hadn’t backhandly attacked Palin. I can point out just as much inflammatory nonsense, as many gaffes, etc from dimocrats….especially the one occupying the White House….can we say 57 states?? If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun! Get in their faces, argue with them.

You see, I could make the arguement that Obama’s rhetoric has been far more inflammatory than anything Palin has said.

But I agree with you on this….to try and limit free speech, whether it is the so called Fairness Doctrine or limiting symbols is a dangerous and slippery slope we don’t need to get on.

It would be nice if we could have an open and honest exchange of ideas in this country but I don’t think the Left is up for that. Everytime their ideas are fully vetted and examined they lose and they don’t want that!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 11th, 2011
10:08 am

Dear CT, well-written, reasonable people of all political stripes can agree with your argument.

Tom

January 11th, 2011
10:08 am

This anti-social probably was just as interested in seeing Sarah Palin’s charts as he would in reading CT’s daily ravings!! This is just an evil person and nothing more! Perhaps when he is sent off to prison, justice will occurr. Alot of inmates have children, some will not take kindly to a child-killer!! That is the real world, people! Retired COP

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
10:09 am

Now nrb4’s post is exactly the type of post that should be condemned as unacceptable by ALL, no matter what your party. NO elected official should ever be told they should be afraid in the context of a discussion about a violent shooting.

In this country, if you dont like your elected officials, then elect others.

ed

January 11th, 2011
10:09 am

nrb4,

Looks like you exceeded your daily dose of hate-flakes for breakfast.

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
10:09 am

Suggestions, such as ” If someone at that rally had been armed, other than the shooter, you might have seen a quite different outcome.” are the usual nonsense the NRA supporters come up with in any such sutuation. They have absolutely nothing in common with reality. On the other hand, taking this tragic event and trying to make arguments for more gun control is equally pointless and useless.
The heat Sarah Palin is getting for her crosshair map is appropriate, but Cynthia is right that there should be no attempt to make such things illegal. Nobody knows whether it did or did not play any role in the Arizona shooting. It was simply irresponsible and another nail into Palin’s political coffin.

Waldo

January 11th, 2011
10:13 am

@Retired Early – Read the FIRST SENTENCE of CT’s post and tell me there’s nothing that could be interpreted as anti-right.

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
10:15 am

NOt too terribly surprising that the knee jerk reaction was by a Democrat from one of the most nanny states in the country, Pennsylvania. Those SOB’s still have 55 mph speed limits on super speedways through the middle of nowhere, and were also still arresting people, and fining them, for cursing (state police & local cops). I would have to concur with Ms. Tucker today – a rational article. Sarah Palin is highest profile red neck in the country – if you vote for her, you need to cease registering to vote. This occurred for 2 reasons – a nut job, and a careless Congresswoman (no security whatsoever – could the state not provided her with at least 1 State Trooper?).

retired early

January 11th, 2011
10:15 am

Paleo
“Mentally ill is a very, very, Very large net”. Yes, indeed . Anyone who is ‘obsessed’ about any one thing precluding their ability to focus generally, is by definition…mentally ill…to varying degrees.
I know this broad concept includes very many people from devout religious groups to over zealous environmental activist, and on and on. Remember Jim Jones…his influence caused hundreds of otherwise ‘normal’ people to poison their children and themselves . I submit that these Jones followers were not ‘normal’ because they were uncommonly ‘obsessed’ about either religion or Jones.
My point here is that these obsessed people often, only require a little encouragement to ‘act out’.
We should be carful and not to provide that encouragement .

david jacknin

January 11th, 2011
10:15 am

Obviously it’s important to have easy access to guns and bullets.

I was held up at gunpoint recently and really enjoyed it.
Go Republicans. Go NRA

B

January 11th, 2011
10:16 am

and Obama says he’s bringing a gun to the fight – but that’s ok.

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
10:16 am

MarkV@10:09
“It was simply irresponsible and another nail into Palin’s political coffin.”

Apparently everything is, even the things she had nothing to do with.

resno2

January 11th, 2011
10:16 am

Brady’s attempt to outlaw using cross-hairs is another example of knee-jerk reaction by an over zealous politician. But he needs to be careful, because he’d be making illegal some of the very same tactics that the dems used in 2004.

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
10:18 am

“responsible discussion” liberal code for restrictions on speech (because some other moron may act irresponsibly & immorally from those spoken words – even if they are on a facebook posting). Sticks & stones (and loaded guns discharged) can break my bones, but names can never hurt me – a good adage not to take those who dislike you, too seriously.

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
10:19 am

Anybody who equates Obama’s “If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun!” with Pailin’s crosshairs, “reload,” or Sharron Angle’s “second-amendment remedies” has a severe problem of understanding language.

Dudley

January 11th, 2011
10:19 am

The main thing is that tougher gun control laws would not have changed the outcome of the tragedy. A criminal is gonna get a gun if they want a gun.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
10:20 am

B — The cliche is “bring a gun to a knife fight”. You take it in context along with 1,000s of other images that we have in society because of war, guns and history. The President may in light of the other things that occured during the election after he said that, regret it. Perhaps he should apologize for it. BUT it does not excuse Ms. Palin or anyone who discussed using second amendment remedies.

In the knee jerk reaction to defend the over-the-top vitroil of the election, there are degrees of nuance.

Blue

January 11th, 2011
10:21 am

retired early

January 11th, 2011
9:46 am

Nothing in there that could be interpreted as anti right? “As much fun as it is to call out the clueless Sarah Palin for her long list of gaffes, lies and inflammatory nonsense,” “Whether Palin should have used better judgement is quite another matter. She should have, as should all the violent-imagery-worshiping pols who have seen fit to invoke martial accessories for their ads”. Yeah, I would say that her backdoor way of calling her “violent-immagery-worshiping” is, yes…dare I say…subject to being interpreted as “anti right”. Not like she ever does that, right? I’m glad I don’t have to stomach YOUR nonsense on a weekly basis.

paleo-neo-Carlinist, aka Joe the Plutocrat

January 11th, 2011
10:24 am

hey, here’s an idea; let’s make “mental illness” illegal. because guns don’t kill people, mentally ill people with guns kill people, right? oh, and let’s make insantiy pleas illegal, because it’s pretty clear that nobody has a clue when it comes to defining or diagnosing “mental illness” (let’s not forget, homosexuality was regarded as a mental illness through the 1970’s). it’s a shell game, folks. oh, and let’s dial down the “he said/she said, Obama’s imagery and language is much more inflamatory…” because, if the shooter’s behavior can be explained via mental illness, it doesn’t matter WHAT Obama, or Palin, or Rush, or Newt, or Harry Reid, or Sharron Angle says. if there are “mentally ill” people amongst us, we’re going to have the occassional Columbine, U Texas, Va Tech, etc., right? so, John Hinckley, Charles, Manson, Tim McVeigh, Lee Harvey Oswald, Eric Rudolph, et al are the “cover charge” for this wonderfully progressive, “shining city on the hill” we call a Constitutional Republic.

Rafe Hollister

January 11th, 2011
10:24 am

I think it was Barry’s fault. I mean, he said, if they bring a knife, we need to bring a gun, so the guy did, right.

Sarah just copied the DNC senatorial campaign map of 2004 and their use of the “crosshairs” to target Republican Senate seats.

Everyone needs to grow up and blame the shooter, not the crosshairs, rhetoric, the pistol, the ammunition, the political climate, the lack of security, global warming, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, BH Obama, Safeway, the Sheriff, the parents, the college, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ronald Reagan, NRA, Gov Brewer, the Tea Party, Republicans, Elmo, and Santa Claus.

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
10:25 am

JoelEdge@10:16
“Apparently everything is, even the things she had nothing to do with.”

She had everything to do with her map and her expressions. The events in Arizona simply brought them in focus.

LizBeth

January 11th, 2011
10:26 am

How did “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto” become “liberal” books? They are certainly not in my library.

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
10:27 am

MarkV@10:19
“has a severe problem of understanding language.”
We understand well enough. When you have violent images and words against conservatives, Sarah Palin, Tea Party, etc. That seems to be glossed over by the media. The “don’t rush to judgement” was sounded during the Ft. Hood shootings. Not so much on this one. We did notice that.

quod erat demonstrandum

January 11th, 2011
10:28 am

Ah, yes more leftie bleating.

The right is wrong, regardless.

I enjoy seeing CT restrict access to the links showing the dangerous rhetoric and symbols the left used in prior years. I guess only the left can censor. Restrict access to the information, kind of like your own version of “Net Neutrality”

kayaker 71

January 11th, 2011
10:30 am

MarkV,

If you or yours had been a victim at that rally, you might have wished for someone who was armed to take out this nut. It is certainly not outside of reality to have armed protection at a rally of this type. Why do you think that the President’s security detail is armed? They don’t spend their time shooting tin cans off posts. Do you not think that one state trooper or a responsible citizen who was armed might have made a difference? If someone at the Ft. Hood shootings had not shot that Muslim fanatic, there might have been many more people injured or killed. This is reality, MarkV, and I hope you are never in a position to face it.

quod erat demonstrandum

January 11th, 2011
10:30 am

quod erat demonstrandum Your comment is awaiting moderation.

January 11th, 2011
8:00 am

CT, you are right. The left has been unusually vicious in its attacks and needs to bring down the rhetoric. The left used a bullseye instead of gun sights. Not sure which is worse, a gun sight or having a target painted on your state or candidate.

Way to go – is this another Hays Commission? More censorship from the left.

Fed Up

January 11th, 2011
10:30 am

Don’t think the guy is a nut case. If he was he would have gone to any public arena and kill innocent people. He went to the meeting specifically to shoot a liberal politician. Hitler was a nut case too but for a time being the liberals gave him a pass.

Paul

January 11th, 2011
10:30 am

I agree on not imposing free speech restrictions. That speaks to an emotional response, rather than a deliberate response. And those I’ve seen who advocate an emotional response, who want to limit free speech are Democratic representatives.

Your 8:08 “Jimmy62 and smooveb, In the wake of the weekend atrocity, all you can think of is to try to make Loughner a liberal? That’s where your head is? That’s pathetic.”

Yet the bulk of your supporting argument concerned Palin?

“(Whether Palin should have used better judgement is quite another matter. She should have, as should all the violent-imagery-worshiping pols who have seen fit to invoke martial accessories for their ads.)”

You could have just as easily cited MoveOn and their crosshairs. Or President Obama and his knife to a gunfight comment. (Personally, I think this citing any image that one considers ‘violent’ is getting a bit silly). It would have been more effective to the spirit or reigning in the rhetoric if you’d emphasized the side of the political spectrum with which you identify yourself. As it is, it continues the perception of left-wing self denial and a readiness to call for civility while continuing the demonizing of political opponents.

Fang1944

January 11th, 2011
10:31 am

Yes, godless heathen, I do want to save lives, and I am heartened by the large drop in traffic deaths over the last few years. A drop in gun deaths would also be nice, but we have to somehow neutralize the gun lobby before that can happen.

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
10:31 am

MarkV@10:25
Are you saying that any expressions created should be the sole property and blamed on the politician or party it was created for?
Have you looked at Malkin?

Kamchak

January 11th, 2011
10:34 am

Michelle Malkin has the links posted.

There’s your sign.

Michelle Malkin.

paleo-neo-Carlinist, aka Joe the Plutocrat

January 11th, 2011
10:35 am

retired early, agreed, so as I asked (rhetorically); if we remove the “mental illness” card from the deck, or better yets, literally USE it to “defend” the shooter’s (any criminal’s) behavior, where does that leave us as far as the “pro wrestling/Jerry Springer and “don’t retreat/reload” nonsense being spewed by talking heads and politicos? is this acceptable because they too are “mentally ill” or is our entire political process (and the Americans who “consume” the birther, truther, flat-earth, PETA, ban smoking and plastic bottles nonsense) also mentally ill?

StJ

January 11th, 2011
10:36 am

I suppose Obama should have “used better judgement” when he called Republicans “the enemy”.

Jenzen

January 11th, 2011
10:37 am

@Walter Raymond: “Your comment is awaiting moderation?” WOW! What did you say that would solicit that? Did Tucker find some hidden word or phrase in it?
No matter. I clicked on the URL and another WOW! I thought I kept up with politics – left and right – but can’t remember ever having seen any of those pictures. I did check out several at random and they are accurate. Seems the signs, banners and other repugnant sayings on display at “leftie” rallies are OK. Can’t recall ever having seen any of these type signs at a T-Party rally, however. And the Socialist Progressives (aka DEMOCRATS) think the “Right-Wing” nuts are dangerous?
Ha.
JPA

JKL2

January 11th, 2011
10:38 am

Keep- n the knee jerk reaction to defend the over-the-top vitroil of the election, there are degrees of nuance.

Yes, there are differences. Democrats get a free pass on anything they say (Obama doubly so) while Republicans are responsible, guilty and/or just evil (even if they didn’t have anything to do with the situation, like Palin in this example)

quod erat demonstrandum

January 11th, 2011
10:39 am

Fang1944,

Which inalienable rights would you give up?

The right to life?
The right to pursue your dreams?
How about liberty – would you give that up?

Of the original 10 Amendments, the Bill Of Rights, which ones would you fell are okay? Please read them carefully, the lefties are great at re-defining words. “Depends what the meaning of “is” is.”

B

January 11th, 2011
10:39 am

KUTGF – Once again – make excuses for the Dems. Quite the double standard.

B

January 11th, 2011
10:41 am

MarkV -I’m sure I understand the language as much as you do.

Extremes make me scream...

January 11th, 2011
10:44 am

In this country free speech is guaranteed but responsibility is not. Unfortunately, in this political climate, hate sells. When this type of hate rhetoric was dialed up in the South during the Civil Rights movement, it took many people losing their lives, including 4 young girls, before America put the mirror up to its face. Should other people be hurt before we figure out that people are making millions (and in Herman Cain’s case -thousands) to spew this continuous hate? The economic reward is a guarantee that they will never voluntarily stop as the believers in the Jim Crow south not stop voluntarily their continuous hate speech. Our leaders (left and right) should demand more and stop reaping the reward of this foolishness. Censoring free speech is not the answer but maybe properly labeling these so call commentators as “ENTERTAINERS” may help the American people choose carefully where they get their news.

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
10:45 am

kayaker 71@10:30
An armed bodyguard, who watches the crowd for signs of danger, might have made a difference. But the idea that someone in the crowd with a gun in his pocket would have prevented this carnage caused by one guy who took out a pistol and started shooting is ludicrous.

sally

January 11th, 2011
10:47 am

A key ingredient to being a gun goon is delusions of grandeur. Every time there’s a tragedy, they like to opine that things would have been different if they were there with their trusty sidearm gun. Pathetic.

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
10:48 am

Extremes make me scream.@10:44
“labeling these so call commentators as “ENTERTAINERS”

Good idea. Mmm…who gets to do the “labeling”?

retired early

January 11th, 2011
10:48 am

Paleo

Common sense is not common…especially on this blog.

Blue
Cynthia defended Palin’s right to free speech and that she is not responsible for the AZ shooting… but she questioned her choice of words, symbols , etc used to attack her perceived “enemies of Freedom”. Yeah… Cynthia maybe degraded Palin in her description of her , but… she is such an easy target….Sarah is not the standard GOP conservative in my view, she is….out there somewhere…. in a party she made up… ‘All by myself…’.

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
10:48 am

JoelEdge@10:41
“Are you saying that any expressions created should be the sole property and blamed on the politician or party it was created for?”
Where did you get that idea?

tom

January 11th, 2011
10:49 am

Too bad someone did not shoot and kill him. This would save the govt much money. Many times when the criminal is killed or they kill themselves they avoid the justice system and some say that is too bad. I don’t trust the system to always do real justice and I don’t care why someone did a bad thing. I know they can never again kill or harm anyone. Recent state troopers death proves the system does not always work.

The Thin Guy

January 11th, 2011
10:49 am

When it comes to inflammatory and irresponsible rhetoric no one can hold a candle to Cynthia Tucker. With the sole exception of wishing her daughter a happy birthday, every single column consists of her calling other people names. What a clueless, helpless, hopeless, and intellectually stunted vile mean spirited old harridan Ms. Cynthia is. One would think since her alma mater Auburn won the National Championship she’d be celebrating. But she’d rather exploit a tragedy for political purposes. What a pathetic political hack.

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
10:51 am

B@10:41
“MarkV -I’m sure I understand the language as much as you do.”
What you are sure of is hardly evdience of a fact.

Real Athens

January 11th, 2011
10:51 am

quod erat demonstrandum:

Newsflash: Your primary and secondary education has let you down. I can assure Socialism, Communism and Fascism are three COMPLETELY different philosophies. If history is any judge, Monarchies and Caste societies led to the advent of communism. Corporatism and Fascism are by products of each other.

Hitler wasn’t reading Karl Marx and Stalin wasn’t reading Mein Kampf. I recall 20 million communists gave their lives to defeating Fascism in WWII

But, hey, don’t let the truth get in the way of drawing an invalid, dead on it’s face conclusion in order to prove a point based on fallacy.

Perhaps you should listen to Sarah Palin. Though not saying much, even she seems to have a slightly stronger grip on reality than you do.

B

January 11th, 2011
10:52 am

So, every cliche or symbol a repub uses gets to be interpreted in the literal and any cliche or symbol a dem uses is only interpreted in the figurative – makes sense.

Halftrack

January 11th, 2011
10:52 am

CT – I wish you news media would come up with a code of ethics to go by. Many had a knee-jerk moment and blamed the right and Sarah P. without any evidence. Yet when the Fort Hood thing came along – many said look for more evidence. What is the context of ancedotal data and what is not? Even the Sheriff in AZ got it wrong and did not look at the facts – - – if only Sgt. Friday was still on the job. Push for more civility and fact finding among your constituency.

williebkind

January 11th, 2011
10:53 am

You progressive liberals are so funny trying to use all that education. Let’s go back to English 101 and the essays you had to write for the class. Did you write about how socialism is the perfect type of government or did you write about bear hunting. You claim to be wise and thus became fools! Sara references the passions of the people in her state–hunting, fishing, and outdoor exploring. You educatied progressives surely see that. If not, your degree is worthless. Now, we see how you are attacking someone who had absolutely nothing to do with the actions of another person. That is not education but indoctrination! What is deplorable is that you progressive liberals are using a tragedy for political gain. Deplorable yes, but not unexpected from progressive liberals whose ideology has been and continues to be rejected by America. Progressive liberals are more dangerous to a free society than any automatic weapon. We hear you want to limit free speach now! You are like a ripe boil and needs to be lanced.

Wise Just Moderate

January 11th, 2011
10:53 am

What really links this killer to the Right is the pathological contempt and distrust of the Government. It permeates current conservatism far beyond the personalities noted here. He was rejected by the Army and Community College and having adopted the narrative (from his posts) that Government is the root of all evil and that it is “The Problem”, not the solution, blamed that for his failures. Neighbors report he was raised largely in isolation by an extremely contemptuous “stay at home” father. You can bet Government was the focus of that contempt. Direct links to individuals may not be there but this was very clearly his mentality, one shared by many here.

kayaker 71

January 11th, 2011
10:54 am

Extreme makes me scream,

Then what are we who believe that our country is going down the tubes supposed to do? Sit back and watch while someone with an agenda methodically takes our country apart. Are we not supposed to get pretty damned upset when the values that we maintain are ridiculed, mocked and rejected by these nuts? Rational political discourse lost out quite awhile back and there is not much hope of it returning….. not while these idiots are in the White House and Tucker is free to spew her leftist hate freely while calling it “editorial opinion”. I have not heard Herman Cain spew hate speech, just opinion. We are all free to have one, Mr. Extreme, and if you don’t like mine, I know a place where the sun don’t shine that you can put it.

Elliott

January 11th, 2011
10:56 am

By ascribing an ideology to Loughner, be it liberal or conservative, you’re giving him way too much credit. He’s just a stupid community-college kid who listed some inflammatory titles as his favorite books for shock value; I doubt he’s even read most of them. Based on his non-sensical blogs and videos, it’s clear Loughner has absolutely no idea what he believes, nor the intellectual capacity to distinguish between left- and right-wing politics.

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
10:57 am

MarkV@
“Where did you get that idea?”
Maybe from this “The heat Sarah Palin is getting for her crosshair map is appropriate”
And this “She had everything to do with her map and her expressions.”

Kamchak

January 11th, 2011
11:00 am

What is deplorable is that you progressive liberals are using a tragedy for political gain….Progressive liberals are more dangerous to a free society than any automatic weapon. We hear you want to limit free speach now! You are like a ripe boil and needs to be lanced.

Glass house, meet stone.

Hmmmmmmm

January 11th, 2011
11:02 am

I just love it when a MORON calls somebody “clueless”………. Priceless….

midtownguy

January 11th, 2011
11:04 am

There is one thing that puzzles me about the crosshairs map. If there was nothing wrong with it why was it taken down? If I were in her shoes I would have explained my position and left it where it was. By taking it down she is admitting that there was something wrong with it. Right?

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
11:05 am

Joel Edge @10:57
What I have written nowhere claims that “any expressions created should be the sole property and blamed on the politician or party it was created for.” Your interpretation simply does not make sense.Where did I mention anything about “sole property?” Certainly a politician can be blamed – if it is a matter of blame – for an expression he/she has used.

dw

January 11th, 2011
11:05 am

the real clueless is you and your messiah BHO.

Paul

January 11th, 2011
11:05 am

It’s fascinating how this has devolved to an emphasis on conservatives’ ’speech’ and, in the columnists case, an emphasis on Palin. It’s fascinating because, as she said, “neither she or her supporters caused the Arizona atrocity. If Jared Loughner, the suspect, is the culprit, it’s likely that we’ll find that he suffers from a serious mental illness — perhaps paranoid schizophrenia — and probably hears voices.” Then she goes on and on about Palin.

So: the guy’s mentally ill. Yet the Arizona sheriff, before he even knew the suspect’s name, was decrying the rhetoric of the right. Krugman launches another Pavlovian attack on Beck and others. Even Ms. Tucker discusses Palin as much as the speech issue.

Yet after the fact, we find fellow students described the shooter as ”left wing’ and ‘quite liberal.’ If these spokespersons and columnists want to go down that road, they should speculate why a liberal constituent would try to assassinate a Blue Dog Democrat.

Larry

January 11th, 2011
11:06 am

Wow! Aside from the needless jabs at Palin, you actually put something out there I think we all can agree with. As Redd Foxx used clutch his chest and say, “Elizabeth, it’s the big one!!!”

williebkind

January 11th, 2011
11:07 am

Kamchak

January 11th, 2011
11:00 am
Are you promoting violence? Throwing a stone is dangerous to one’s health and property.

Scout

January 11th, 2011
11:09 am

Cynthia:

For once you make some sense but you hypocritically forget THIS CULPRIT !

A selection remarks by Obama:

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“Don’t you think we’re not keeping score, brother?”
“Bring it on”
“Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans”
“I want all Americans to get in each others’ faces!”
“You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun”
“Republicans are our enemies”
“Hit back twice as hard.”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick. “
Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
“It’s time to fight for it.”
Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
“I’m itching for a fight.”
“They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”

Grob Hahn

January 11th, 2011
11:10 am

You sound like a typical left wing blogger when you talk about Palin’s “Lies” without giving an actual example. What has she actually LIED about? Was it REALLY a “Lie”? A genuine “Lie”? If so, why not let us in on it.
Grobbbbbbbbbb

TruthBe

January 11th, 2011
11:10 am

Once again Cynthia Tucker is a complete RACIST LIAR. Cynthia Tucker is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the liberal perverted democrats and their sick agenda.

Chris D.

January 11th, 2011
11:10 am

Good blog Ms. Tucker, It appalled me over the weekend when all the liberal left-leaning media wanted to make this all about the evil Republicans and and their hate speech. I too wish the political discourse would become more civil, but the Right and Left are equally guilty when it comes to the tone of our current political discourse. Glad you have moved above the fray on this issue.

Kamchak

January 11th, 2011
11:11 am

Are you promoting violence? Throwing a stone is dangerous to one’s health and property.

Nope you are, standing on the front porch of your glass house.

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
11:14 am

MarkV@11:05
Even for the choice of a symbol on a map? One what she herself didn’t choose to use. Maybe she should have used bunnies.

charles mcghee

January 11th, 2011
11:18 am

Why is it when an American committe mass murders of other Americans they’re insane. But when a Middle Eastern murder Americans they just hate America? Maybe loughner is the same as any other terrorist he just hate America/Americans for whatever his sick reason.

Joel Edge

January 11th, 2011
11:20 am

The just announced Verizon is getting the iPhone. Come February. Gotta go.

RDG2

January 11th, 2011
11:21 am

This article is even further proof that the dumbest people in the world are often politicians, writers/editors, etc., often possessing two, three, or more academic degrees. Case-in-point: ALL OF US ARE SUBJECT TO THE EFFECTS OF IMAGERY IN ADVERTISING. I speak from the “other side” of the advertising initiative, as I am an advertising professional. More clearly, we graduate and promote advertising professionals all day long for their abilities to sway the average Joe (people who both read and reason on a 6th or 7th grade level), who spend indiscriminately, and who “act now” and think later. And do you know what? It all works as intended. But the minute someone says “this is free speech”, the message or advertising all of a sudden loses its inherent power to influence the behaviors of the people to whom it is directly sent.

As far as subliminal messages go, the brain itself is sublime and determines its own pleasure derived from detestable and prohibited behavior. There needn’t be malicious intent at all on behalf of the writer. Another case-in-point: I GO TO NEW YORK AND SEE A “NO SPITTING SIGN” IN THE SUBWAY. BUT I’M NOT EVEN A SPITTER AND MY MOUTH GETS WET. However, absent malicious intent ( and giving the heffa the benefit of the doubt), the Palin Bitch is either Dumb as donuts, or has a far more benign view of human nature than my 11 -year old; and it seems this writer is barely two steps behind her in practical reasoning. In fact, I give Palin more credit than I give the writer, here (and for obvious reasons).

Don’t fool yourself. It took some brains to get that broad to where she is politically (wherever that is), because she really isn’t smart at all. But you are telling us that NOBODY on her team was smart enough to second guess the suitability of that ad, even if she wasn’t? I mean, really. Given the number of political assassinations that have taken place in this country, the double meaning of that political message NEVER crossed the minds of the people she employs? Give me a FLIPPIN’ break.

But people who write stuff like this ACTUALLY get up in the morning and say they “went to work” today. What a lie. But she is obviously proud of her position as writer, in general, and that pride automatically extends to the things she writes (content and common sense notwithstanding). Okay. It’s to be expected.

The first amendment may call such graphic communications “legal”, but it is far from innocent. Moreover, the only reason it is even “legal” is because the framers of the constitution figured that engaging in the very questionable business of trying to figure out what people ACTAULLY MEAN by the things they write and say would be tantamount to crushing the wind pipe of the collective American voice, and couldn’t really be accomplished, anyway. Then, too, for fear that the government may even ATTEMPT to qualify, classify, or otherwise assign meaning to free speeches (despite the impossibility of doing so would halt this modified, representative democracy to the tune of death, division, and uncontrollable anarchy among its constituents and framers alike. And, last, there was a WHOLE lot of trust vested in the strengths and protections of free speech and those who engage in it. Nobody (from the Supreme court on down) has ever TRULY conceded that the world in which those freedoms were cast was a far cry from the world we inhabit today (one day, I imagined myself sitting next to Ben Franklin with a Droid 2 mobile phone and it all became clear to me).

On their part, derelicts and hateful idiots know they cannot legally be compelled to reveal the true intentions behind their speeches and communications and enjoy all day long the intended and unintended protections of the raggedy ass 1st amendment. But let that STUPID ho send a cross hair image to the white house and see what happens. Or, conversely, let her send something overtly innocuous and apparently non-threatening–a mere ROSE PETAL, let’s say–to a POST OFFICE in Skokee, Wisconsin, with a follow-up message stating that the intent was to blow up everyone in the building and see what happens to her.

I will (reluctantly, reluctantly, reluctantly) grant that Palin probably did not intend to incite violence against the “targets” in her cross hairs. But if you think her spiteful, bitter, “Alaskan Wild”, goofy-looking, bear hunting ass had no idea concerning the implications of her little “political art work” and/or that she was completely clueless to the reality that a significant portion of the American population is on the verge of COMPLETE insanity and psychopathic behavior given the “colored” administration and its supporters, all of you need to turn in your Crayons and put on the little helmets. Sorry, you are no longer allowed to sit in the classroom with the rest of us.

Screw what ya heard, pimp; that heffa KNEW what she was doing.

To sum up my position, we all agree that advertising is powerful. But it all of a sudden becomes completely harmless and void of any POTENTIALLY harmful effects when pitched in a conversation framed by the first amendment.

And who the HELL is the editor here, anyway?

Well, sorry for the rushed response and raggedy writing. I’m torn between being busy and pissed. I usually much better than this.

You all have a great day.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
11:21 am

Paul

January 11th, 2011
11:23 am

It’s interesting.

When Major Hassan murdered all those soldiers there was a concerted rush to not make any assumptions. Even considering the contacts he had with extremist Muslims was frowned upon.

Now that extremist Muslim – an American – is on a Kill or Capture list signed by the President and in our current case, amidst all the cries for calm, reasoning voices it’s still All Palin, All The Time.

sigh…..

midtownguy

January 11th, 2011
11:25 am

“Liberal perverted democrats and their sick agenda”: I am assuming my partner and I will not be able to count on your support for Marriage Equality.

Tom

January 11th, 2011
11:27 am

@Big Tom to little tom – Your post and mine are real life concerning this anti-social criminal punk. These other blogs about idealogy are a bunch of BS from folks who enjoy debating each other, liberals vs conservatives! Just take a look at his picture with the newly shaven bald head, he is grinning and wants to be remembered as a mass murderer! Looking at the photographs of the victims, including the 9-year old child, I wish I could water-board him myself . He is more EVIL than the Muslim terriorists!!! Eye for an Eye, at earlist possible time!!! Retired COP

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2011
11:27 am

The freedom of political speech must be protected, and we must each take personal responsibility for that which we speak.

casual observer

January 11th, 2011
11:31 am

The Socialist Left in this country will use this tragedy to silence opposition. To link Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh to a murder of anybody is beyond comprehinsion. SHAME ON CYNTHIA TUCKER AND THE REST THE OF POLITICAL LEFTIST HACKS!!

If Jim Gerrymander” Clyburn and the rest of the “Free Speech” haters think Socialist Health Care angered this country just wait and see what happens when the start shutting down or criminalizing free speech!! You ain’t seen nothing. The Town Hall meetings about Health Care will be considered a picnic compared to what will happen in this country. If “Gerrymander” Clyburn and his followers can’t beat them they will try to silence them.

EVEN IF IT WAS A LIBERAL POT HEAD THAT DID THE SHOOTING.

james

January 11th, 2011
11:33 am

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”

Some liberal leader said that

If the pot didn’t have a kettle what would it do all day

the far right = the far left

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
11:36 am

MarkV – you are full of it. The only time a politicians speech can be blamed for the violence perpetrated by another person is if that individual politician specifically urged or ordered citizens to commit such violence. Your rationale is the same as the jury who assesses damage to a bar because one of its patrons drank too much, then drove.

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
11:39 am

RDG2 – your obvious distaste for your fellow Americans makes your rant irrelevent.

RDG2

January 11th, 2011
11:42 am

@keep up the good fight–what are your true feelings. I am interested.

Junior Samples

January 11th, 2011
11:44 am

Ok, now the’ve done it. The left is now dredeing the bottom of the cesspool. Within minutes the media is blaming Sarah Palin for the shooting. Really? Uhhhh what about the boys parents? Is there any responsibility there or is that something that will conveniently get over looked. There is not one event that the left and the news media will not politicize.

RDG2

January 11th, 2011
11:44 am

@ Paddy O. Distaste for fellow Americans. Rant? LOL. If that is what you call it. So be it…I am glad you read it.

retired early

January 11th, 2011
11:46 am

Paleo
“…are they also mentally ill “.
I am not forgiving one’s behavior due to ‘mental illnesses’….I am simply stating that it is more wide spread than most people want to believe . I use a litmus test of first establishing if one is ‘obsessed’… to the point…that it disturbs the normal , balance of facts , in critical decision making . This obviously can occur in varying degrees…the extreme being what happened in AZ . We cannot begin to know who will ‘act out’ on their extreme views (obsessions) . Therefore , we will never know the effect our words will have on others . I have a problem with right wing talk radio . The unchallenged , non debated points of view being delivered , using hateful language has caused the greatest distortion of facts in modern history . Now…’distortion of facts’…leads to an ‘unbalanced’ point of view . Now, does that make these people mentally ill ? Only if they are also…’obsessed’ .

Mike K.

January 11th, 2011
11:46 am

I agree with Cynthia today, though I don’t care for her focus on Sarah Palin. I wonder why she didn’t mention the Daily Kos’ bullseye on Rep. Gifford. . .

gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/breaking-daily-kos-put-a-bulls-eye-on-rep-giffords-in-2008/

meow

January 11th, 2011
11:48 am

Enter your comments here

monty

January 11th, 2011
11:48 am

Joe Scarborough says on his radio program that, “Glenn Beck says everyday on his show that Obama is a racist, everyday he says it.” That is a lie, he said it one time in regards to Obama’s comments about his “white mother doing what white people do”. Beck admitted he shouldn’t have said it, he was just thinking out loud in response to Obama’s statements 2 years ago and hasn’t said it since. Scarborough, though, says “He says it everyday!!” Now is that a lie? Of course it is. Now what if someone shot Glenn Beck because of Joe Scarborough’s inflamatory speech?? Some left wing nutt hears Joe’s lies and takes Beck out? Just curious. The left can be as infammatory as it wants to be, but don’t let Sarah Palin use a metaphor of gun hairs to target political stuff. Who is racheting up the inflamatory rhetoric? Just listen to the left.

Really last word

January 11th, 2011
11:49 am

Those who would blame a group or individuals for fueling the vitriol . . . also fuel the vitriol in their blame and are no different than those who they blame.

RDG2

January 11th, 2011
11:49 am

@ Junior, the boy’s Parents is another issue, but I am right with you, my friend. I could write even longer about that one. It is really simple: No one is blaming Sarah Palin. She is just a glaring example and representative slice of this behavior in this country–on both sides. In that, you are correct. The tragedy is that hateful people exist behind ill-advised and questionable messages. And now that I am ignoring people whose names Rhyme with Paddy O. , I really think you have a valid point to be further explored.

Scout

January 11th, 2011
11:51 am

O.K. Libs.

Headline (ABC) : “Lone Wolf Killers: It’s About Fame, Not Politics”

“For all the warnings about terrorism, law enforcement authorities say the greater and more likely threat in this country comes from people like the suspect in the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords –what are known as lone wolves.

And while some observers want to blame Saturday’s bloodshed on lax gun laws or heated political rhetoric, experts say there is nothing more American than a loner who wants to be famous.
“If we feel that civility in public discourse is going to take away mass shootings we are mistaken,” said Dr. Michael Welner, a forensic psychiatrist at New York University and an ABC News consultant. “Because the one common threat in mass shooting is, what does the shooter get out of it? And the shooter recognizes that if you assassinate a political figure you will be notorious.”

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
11:52 am

RDG2… The is a definite power of advertising and power of words and images. Not sure what else you are asking about my “true feelings.” I believe in the 1st amendment and also responsibility for your words.

Blame the MSM

January 11th, 2011
11:53 am

As much fun as it is to call out the clueless Joe Biden (Sarah Palin) for his (her) long list of gaffes, lies and inflammatory nonsense….

So easy to do and also so accurate…..ah, pot meet kettle……

Ayn Rand was right

January 11th, 2011
11:53 am

CT – Very well written piece today. I hope that as a society, we begin to apply consequences to those who exhibit poor judgement and behaviors especially in the public sector. This error in judgement should be the final nail in the coffin of Ms. Palin’s political career. Her inability to exhibit responsible behavior including engaging the media while acting like a middle school mean girl should topple any high office aspirations.

meow

January 11th, 2011
11:56 am

Just because you have the freedom to do so, does not mean that it is wise, or responsible to spew whatever garbage comes to mind. With freedom, should come responsibility. Whether this maniac used Palin’s imagery as justiication to go on this rampage or not, is besides the point. In her position, she should know better than to promote gun violence (you can’t tell me that she isn’t) and should better choose her words. Not only is she setting a poor example for americans – who will think that it’s OK to talk/think like that, but it makes her look bad in the public eye.

Peter

January 11th, 2011
11:56 am

What a load of garbage Cynthia. How about your gangsta rap imagery, cop killing lyrics, pimp/hoe culture and excessive violent images on tv and movies? All we do is slap a rating on them. The political discourse is nothing compared with these examples that the left seems to want to protect under the guise of free speech. You liberal hacks have no common sense whatsoever. The hysteria around the Arizona shootings is fabricated by you and those like you who can’t stand the popularity of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, etc. Your only route is to cook up hysteria to silence your detractors. We are on to you you pathetic wench! (Oops, is that ‘inflammatory’????)

Blame the MSM

January 11th, 2011
11:57 am

“I hope that as a society, we begin to apply consequences to those who exhibit poor judgement and behaviors especially in the public sector”

The November 2nd election results were a nice consequence to those who exhibited “poor” judgement….

Ayn Rand was right

January 11th, 2011
11:57 am

@ Blame the MSM – AGREED!

RDG2

January 11th, 2011
11:58 am

@Keep up the good fight–I watched the video and the host said a lot of things, so I just wanted to hear from you, is all. I guess I should have been more clear that I am not blaming Sarah Palin, necessarily. I just don’t like her or the way she does things. She is really a hateful person. If we multiply her rhetoric and tactics by the number of people in this country who actually feel the way she does, we truly do get down to the real problem. As far as responsibility for one’s words goes, you probably said it far better than I did. In fact, I am sure you did. Enjoy ur day!

Kamchak

January 11th, 2011
11:59 am

(Oops, is that ‘inflammatory’????)

No, it’s asshattery.

RDG2

January 11th, 2011
12:00 pm

@meow. Again, somebody said it better than me with fewer words. Thanks.

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:06 pm

i love Americans who make themselves victims when a tragedy befalls someone else. libs/conserves really disappoint me with the finger pointing about vitriol rhetoric and gun laws and who is to blame. i’m not giving up my free speech or my gun(s). i dont want anyone else to give them up either even when they say someting i feel is inflammatory or evil.

Avenger

January 11th, 2011
12:11 pm

Cynthia. I don’t know about outlawing free speech, but clearly there are limits to any thing. There are things that are clearly over the top. Hollering fire falsely in a crowded theather. A lot of Dems. and Repubs. agree that the vitriol is over the top. Most decent folk think calling the president a thug,a punk, or as one of your poster like to call him “BOZO is over the top. Yes outlawing free speech might be going too far, but the free speech amendment, the 13th,14th,15th, and all the rest came about because those guys (in horse and buggy days) knew that they were writing laws dealing with the human animal. These guys (who had no concept of jet fighters, going to the moon, or TV) knew that they couldn’t possibly cover every scenario that the human animal would create. We can wring our hands and say we are sorry about the senseless killings, but if that all (I suspect it is) we do, their deaths really don’t mean any thing to us. I know the double talkers like Hannity and the master Rush will out do Michael Jackson doing the moon walk from this senseless event, but they show their hypocrisy by demonizing the “left wing media” for jumping to conclusions while they are smirking and proclaiming that a lunatic did it and that’s that. Words have meaning. No body told the evil monsters (they weren’t lunatics) to beat a fourteen year old kid senseless,shoot him in the head,and split his head open with an axe. No one had to – the atmosphere set the stage. Words have meaning. I will bet you dollars to dough nuts that when a cop shows to a murder scene where a man’s wife is killed, that cop will start suspecting that man in nano seconds. Some times, there is logic to jumping to conclusions – especially when there is a lot of history to back it up.

Woe is US

January 11th, 2011
12:11 pm

Predictable that the dish-it-out-but-can’t-take-it right has mede itsefl out to be the victime on this tragedy. No, there will probably never be a direct connection found to right wing invective. Yes, their vitriole incourages and enables their surrogates to intimidate through the threat of violence. The powerful have always operated this way. “The lady doth protest too much”.

Peter

January 11th, 2011
12:12 pm

Palin is a sign that people are evil, Rush has the same sign on his forehead.

Will Fraser

January 11th, 2011
12:13 pm

a. The shooter was not a liberal, nice try crazies
b.Palin’s website did use crosshairs
c.We DO clearly need gun control (and this is the
former Pacific Fleet Marksmanship Champion 1976 USMC writing this)
d.The Tea Party is even more reactionary and crazy than the GOP
e.God Help America
f.These comments pages are proof of the dumbing down and radicalization of Americans by commentary news programs that have little contenet but lots of opinion
Glenn Beck, Bill OReilly, Rush and the MSNBC crazies all suck
Regards,
William Fraser
Oil and Gas Geologist
Captain US Marine Corps 1973-1979

midtownguy

January 11th, 2011
12:14 pm

Granny G, my father always phrased it this way ‘Your right to free speech does not excuse you from responsibility for the consequences of it”.

Woe is US

January 11th, 2011
12:14 pm

‘cuse my typos

Darwin

January 11th, 2011
12:15 pm

Not all people who who listen to Fox News and the Rush Limbaughs of the world are nuts. But all nuts listen to Fox News and the Rush Limbaughs of the world.

Obama is over

January 11th, 2011
12:16 pm

I am pleased with the way you approached today’s column by taking the high road. I hope that people will put partisan politics aside and save their vitriol for the Westboro Baptist church who has announced that they are going to protest the funerals.

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2011
12:18 pm

Both sides do it?

Which side will stop first?

Which of YOU will stop?

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:18 pm

i listen to rush, limbaugh, beck, palin, hannity, sharpton, bortz, clyburn, lewis, jackson, and other libs/conserves fairly and equally. i dont like much of what any of them say because rarely does compromise exist. America is built on compromise, self-reliance, being your brothers keeper. her history is rich with hypocrisy, resolve, perseverance, and disdain. America is imperfect, but still greater than anything else. we are a nation of laws and freedoms that many abuse for gain. these talking heads and politicans should agree to disagree, but they wont… aint no money, votes, or ratings in it.

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2011
12:19 pm

midtownguy

your father was very wise

midtownguy

January 11th, 2011
12:21 pm

Westboro moved from protesting gay pride events to military funerals when the gay guys started making fun of them. Look! It’s Rev. Phelps! Let’s go over and take a photo with him. In other words, Westboro became a joke rather than a threat.

They had to find something even more shocking, so they moved on to protesting at military funerals, now this. All they want is publicity and we just keep giving it to them.

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:22 pm

@will fraser

what type of gun control is needed? i paid a fee for my conceal weapons license. i was fingerprinted. i received my license after the background check. bought my gun. follow the rules of georgia and government. i vote. i pay taxes. please do tell what gun control?

Todd

January 11th, 2011
12:27 pm

For the first time in my life I find myself agreeing with CT – for the most part. Amazing! However, Palin was no more irresponsible with her target analogy than Obama was with his “bring guns to the fight if they bring knives” or the democratic WV governor using a rifle to shoot the cap and trade bill. Sane people recognize these as metaphors and are not going to harm anyone as a result of seeing them.

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:28 pm

criminals do not follow gun laws.

Bob

January 11th, 2011
12:28 pm

At any time on any subject half of you are wrong, and it’s never the same ones.

Wilma

January 11th, 2011
12:29 pm

The lefties were out in force blaming Palin long before any facts were evident. The politics of advantage seems to be all they can think about. In contrast, President Obama has been restrained and leader-like. Durbin, Hoyer and Clysdale are too busy with their political pimping to actually lead.

DK

January 11th, 2011
12:29 pm

Hey CT, what about the following that President Obama and his staff has said?
“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard.”
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m
angry.”
“I want you to argue with them and get in their faces.”
“I’m itching for a fight.”
“Fight for it!”
“We’re gonna punish our enemies.”
“Our job is, keep our boot on [their] neck.”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.”
“[Republican victory would mean] hand-to-hand combat.”

Maybe the guy took the President’s words to heart? Maybe it was the Bullseye map that Dems put out? And please, next week lets talk about the gaffes of the VP

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:30 pm

well said Todd @ 12:27.

MyName

January 11th, 2011
12:32 pm

The article would have been more interesting and could’ve been taken seriously if CT had been imaginative enough to pick a democrat, instead of SP, to make her pointless point. But then, SP is an easy target that even an elementary school student could whip out an article like this in a matter of seconds. I guess that’s too much to expect these days.

LD

January 11th, 2011
12:33 pm

So when are going to see the “Daily Kos’s target list and the First Amendment” editorial?

Or the “Obama’s ‘enemies’ and ‘bring a gun to the fight’ comments and the 1st amendment” editorial?

Probably about the time we’ll stop seeing liberals try to tie all Conservatives to the Giffords shooting, which is never. Because liberals never incite other liberals to violence with political rhetoric…right?

A dad

January 11th, 2011
12:34 pm

For once, Ms. Tucker, we agree. Perhaps there is hope for true bipartisan governance after all, seek the common ground and procees from there. Freedom of speech is one of our countreis most cherished rights (yes, it’s in the Const. so it’s a real “right”), and often when we hear a dissentling opinion one of the hardest to bear. But it is one we must, for once we start down that slippery slope of what speech isn’t protected (other than, say, yelling “Fire” in a crowded public place) we begin the slow but steady road to censorship of our everyday speech. O’Brien lives!

By the way, this conservative thinks it ws a stupid thing for Palin to do. Conservtive she is, but some of the tools ain’t in the shed….

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:35 pm

dk @ 12:29

in English this is an extended metaphor. like many of the words many speakers and politicians use to make a point… not to be taken literally. “dont retreat–reload” was one of them too. a crazy will take anything to the extreme as in this case.

midtownguy

January 11th, 2011
12:36 pm

Granny I am as old as you but just not a grandfather (for obvious reasons). I spent much of my career in Personnel Management. A typical personnel hearing would go like this.

1. Employee makes extremely racist or sexist comment to either a fellow employee or customer
2. Manager fires employee
3. Employee files grievance claiming his “right to free speech” was violated.

No, you chose to make a statement inconsistent with company policy. You got fired for it. No one violated your “right” to say it. But you still have to suffer the consequences of saying it.

Where I work if you use the “N” word in reference to any person of color, the “B” word in reference to any female or imply that the words “hispanic” and “Illegal” are synonymous the “back door will hit you on your way out.” No right to free speech violated.

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WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:40 pm

the arizona murderer was not a leftie or rightie. he was a crazie.

mary sellers

January 11th, 2011
12:40 pm

I stumbled across this article and wanted to respond. I find it inflammatory. Cynthia, you state up front in your article that Sara Palin is liar, speaks nonesense and has made gaffes. Cynthia, I put a lot of stock in speaking the truth. Would you please tell just what lies Sara Palin has told. I can understand gaffes, don’t bother getting back to me with those, but lies bother me. Thanks

Avenger

January 11th, 2011
12:41 pm

Scout. “Headline (ABC) : “Lone Wolf Killers: It’s About Fame, Not Politics” What you might want to believe might be true. In that same piece, a young woman who hung with the same group as this guy said they played music together and talk politics. They talk about changing politics. He talk about politics,he voted, he went to political meeting, and he shot a politican. Why are a lot of people running from the fact that this guy could have done this because of politics. I understand Limbaugh’s and Hannity’s motive. The guy apparently was alunatic, but that doesn’t mean that some of the stimulants that stimulate you don’t stimulate him. It obvious a lunatic responds to some stimulants in a lunatic way.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

January 11th, 2011
12:41 pm

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zeke

January 11th, 2011
12:41 pm

Finally after how many ever years, I can agree with one of you opinions! Probably will never happen again!

verbotten

January 11th, 2011
12:42 pm

Fed Up @10:30 am “Don’t think the guy is a nut case. If he was he would have gone to any public arena and kill innocent people. He went to the meeting specifically to shoot a liberal politician.”

More to the point, he went to an event to shoot a *specific* politician who he appears to believe “dissed” him before. According the WSJ, “He wrote notes that suggested a grudge against Ms. Giffords over a perceived slight during a 2007 public event.” “That interest might have triggered Mr. Loughner’s first meeting with Ms. Giffords in 2007. Mr. Loughner said he asked the lawmaker, “How do you know words mean anything?” recalled Mr. Montanaro. He said Mr. Loughner was “aggravated” when Ms. Giffords, after pausing for a couple of seconds, “responded to him in Spanish and moved on with the meeting.”

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:43 pm

mary sellers

the “death panels”
maybe that wasnt a lie… but it definitely wasnt the truth.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

January 11th, 2011
12:44 pm

Yeah, those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, but dummycrats do anyway, just sayin…

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
12:46 pm

Paddy O@11:36:
You should pay more attention to what you respond to.

Chris Matthews

January 11th, 2011
12:47 pm

MS TUCKER IS THE WORST HATER OF ALL!

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:47 pm

today is a remarkable example how CT writes an opinion, and many on here who have disagreed with her before, now agree with her. just goes to show that we can find a balance in our conversation even when we dont agree.

Commonsense

January 11th, 2011
12:51 pm

If you want to gauge what the kook leftists are up to, this is the blog to read. Cynthia, “irresponsible” is having a President that talks about destroying your “enemies,” putting your foot on their throats and bringing a gun to a knife fight. All comments your Messiah has made. The rage is from the left, and has been for the better part of the past 8 years. Let’s recap what FACTS we know about the shooter:

-Registered Independent (9 times out of 10 actually means you are a Dem)

-Fan of Mein Kampf

-Refers to US officials as “Zionists”

-Hates God

-Hates Christians

-Loves drugs

-Burns the American flag

Nevermind the fact the people that actually know him, HIS PEERS, refer to him as a leftwing, pothead nutjob and extremist, and also comfirm he’s had an issue with the Congresswoman since a year ago (long before her Nazi healthcare vote), all lead to one simple, and obvious conclusion….

Nice try on the spin, but as usual, no cigar ;)

Avenger

January 11th, 2011
12:53 pm

Kayaker. “Rational political discourse lost out quite awhile back and there is not much hope of it returning….. not while these idiots are in the White House ” Hey- you left out BOZO. You are too old to do the moon walk – you might hurt your self. Of course every one knows that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. “you shall return”

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:53 pm

i wish palin would say something about the incident beyond facebook or tweets. i am no palin fan, but i really dont want her to get canned on this one. that would not be fair.

james

January 11th, 2011
12:54 pm

DK- leadership does start at the top, doesn’t it

hind tit

January 11th, 2011
12:55 pm

It’s a shame it takes a tragedy for you to use good judgment.

WAR

January 11th, 2011
12:58 pm

commonsense

he sounds more like a terrorist or supremist. you do know there are libs who love God, dont do drugs, burn flags, and are christians.

Commonsense

January 11th, 2011
12:58 pm

And to further add to the “well she voted for Obamacare” spin, this quack was a fan of Mein Kampf as I stated above. Every intelligent, educated person knows that Hitler tried to establish Nationalized healthcare when he first took power of Germeny, so someone please explain to me why someone who appears to be a fan of Nazism would then be angered at someone for voting in support of the same type of healthcare??? Your spin is riddled with holes people.

quod erat demonstrandum

January 11th, 2011
12:59 pm

I do think some speech should be restricted – Cynthia’s is definitely close to hate speech in her attack on Palin.

I think most of the left should be muzzled.

Regarding the fairness doctrine, All the leftie shows should have at least one conservative on the payroll. Not a RINO, but a true conservative.

When the shoe is on the other foot, it sounds kind of nutty – doesn’t it.

Scout

January 11th, 2011
12:59 pm

Avenger :

There is some truth in what you say but there is no way to get into his head.

However, the is always a price to pay for freedom.

Commonsense

January 11th, 2011
1:01 pm

WAR,

Just like there are supposedly Muslims that don’t support the killing of innocents and just want to live in peace and get along, right? You never hear from these people. I do agree with your assessment, but if one had to label this POS one way or the other, he’d be a lefty, just like his former friends and classmates have stated.

Civil liberites was a liberal thing.

January 11th, 2011
1:01 pm

The liberals started this type of disorder way back in the sixities. They used the 1st to be able to protest the war, burn the flags, burn their draft cards. They turnned the younger kids into hippies following them into the liberal way of life, The schools started using all of the liberal minded teachers to transform this country into a bunch educated protesters. This is what caused the Kent State shooting in the 70’s. THe liberals have always used the 1st for their purpose, and when it backfires on them,blame the republicans. Now they have the tea party to blame. Sara Palin is more of a leader than 90% of the people we have in goverment. People do not like her because she is real. She hunts, fish, takes care of her family and life. She has beenm the butt of so many jokes and still standing tall. She had to give up her job as governor because the liberal madia would not let her do her job to help her state. She did what was best for the state.
It does not matter what any of us say here, nothing is going to change what happen this weekend. You can not stop one person from doing something he has set his mind to do if no one knows he is going to do it. Blame the shooter, blame his family, don’t blame anyone else.

LD

January 11th, 2011
1:03 pm

Claiming that Loughner was influenced by Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and the Tea Party is akin to claiming Hugh Chavez was influenced by George Bush or Ronald Regan was influenced by Fidel Castro.

But never let fact-less comparison stop a liberal from baseless accusations.

Commonsense

January 11th, 2011
1:05 pm

WAR,

And as far as Palin needing to defend herself, are you serious? Defend herself from who? The same lefty headcases that have been desperately trying to pin any and all tragedies on the right since the beginning of time? Why even acknowledge their flith?

That’d be almost as stupid as Christine O’Donnell feeling the need to explain she’s not a witch. Sarah is smarter than that, no way she’ll be baited into feeling she needs to defend herself from the actions of a disturbed, angry libnut with a gun.

DK

January 11th, 2011
1:06 pm

James, please clarify comment.

Last time I checked, Palin is not the leadership of anything. She is not the leader of the Republicans, she is not the leader of the Democrats and there is no defined Tea Party leadership, so she can’t be the leader of that.

Nice try though.

WAR

January 11th, 2011
1:08 pm

civil liberties
you do know that civil liberties began with the republic when we wanted our independence from the brits… right?

WAR

January 11th, 2011
1:11 pm

commonsense

defend herself from the accuasations that are being leveled against her is all. this is what leaders do. they lead. this is a chance to demonstrate she is a leader during times of tragedy. isnt this what we expect from (future) presidents.

james

January 11th, 2011
1:12 pm

DK- misread my comment I think. Comment was to Obama’s inflammtory rhetoric.

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
1:13 pm

LD: Claiming that Loughner was influenced by Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and the Tea Party is claiming something without evidence of it. Claiming that he was not influenced by those people is the same.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

January 11th, 2011
1:14 pm

“Bullseye”
“Behind Enemy Lines”
“Targeting Strategy”

verumserum.com/?p=13647

retired early

January 11th, 2011
1:14 pm

Commonsense

“…everyone knows that Hitler tried to pass National Health ….”.
Actually “everyone knows” is an all too common false statement by you on the right…Germany has had National Health Care since The mid 1800’s … Yes, I said 1800’s . Everyone pays 10% of income…regardless of income level…and their health care is the best around . BTW you obviously have some form of health insurance and therefore , don’t really care about your fellow Americans who do not…typical right winger .

DK

January 11th, 2011
1:15 pm

OK James, thanks for clarifying.

fultonresident

January 11th, 2011
1:16 pm

According to Dudley any gun seller is free to sell semi automatic guns to any crazy loon and Walmart is entitled to sell him magazine clips regardless of his behavior and no one under circumstances can hold them accountable. This is what Sharon Anglin calls “second amendment solutions” isn’t it?
Just put the money in the cash register, pay your NRA dues and “reload.” Maybe we can just start selling them in vending machines.Can’t hold a vending machine accountable either.
But I do agree with Cynthia Mr. Brady is going down the wrong track and attacking the wrong part of the constitution – freedom of speech. It is the second amendment we should be focused on,

There you have it...

January 11th, 2011
1:19 pm

The extremists on the far right own this tragedy… Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Palin… They have pushed the boundaries of violent rhetoric and have encouraged deranged individuals such as this fool to act out. They can white wash this all they want and try and link this guy to the liberal left… But when you hear his comments about the government enslaving the people and the Gold Standard… it’s full on Beck and Limbaugh.

Ice Station Zebra

January 11th, 2011
1:22 pm

“…agree with Brady that we can disagree without being disagreeable. But his proposal for outlawing political speech is foolish and dangerous — as much a threat as a lunatic with a gun.”

His looney proposal is about as likely to go anywhere as the snow ‘n ice is to melt off my driveway today. He’s one guy in the minority party in the House of Representatives. There will probably be a few more similar kneejerk-type ideas from fellow Dems before this is over.

BuzztheKiller

January 11th, 2011
1:23 pm

I am no Sarah Palin fan, I think she is a distraction from serious conservatives issues, and more of a celebrity than anything (in other words- entertainment), but she is no more to blame for what happened in AZ than is Obama who uses inflammatory speech all the time. Of course, Cindy is not going to call out his highness in her weekly anti- GOP column. Hilarous to run down the titles of her columns- do you dream about Republicans? Do they scare you? Or is it your job? So much for journalism.

DK

January 11th, 2011
1:23 pm

There you have it-
It was President Obama that said to bring the gun to the fight. When did those in your post say it?

midtownguy

January 11th, 2011
1:25 pm

Cindy writes a positive post about Republicans just as often as Kyle and Jim write positive posts about Democrats.

BuzztheKiller

January 11th, 2011
1:28 pm

There you have it- I personally don’t listen or watch any of the shows you mention, but have you ever watched Rachel Madcow or Keith I used-to-be-a-sportscaster-but-got-fired-and-this-is-all-I-could-get Olberman? There are plenty of idiots all around. Just read some of Cindy’s columns and the comments that follow for proof.

Real Athens

January 11th, 2011
1:33 pm

Commonsense:

Try using some — read a book or use your internet connection for something other than flaming uninformed views.

Hitler had nothing to do with NPH in Germany or Austria, or at least, not with organizing it. And that’s by 62 years, incidentally.

Germany, like almost the the entire civilized world EXCEPT the UnitedStates, had universal national public health a very long time ago, and the right wing Nazi scum bags were not involved in its inception in 1871, which was under the almost equally conservative Bismarck Plan.

We are about 100 years behind in this aspect, and 37th in health care, worldwide. We are the most expensive on the order of four to fifteen times, depending upon which cost area is under discussion.

But the right wing Nutzies had nothing to do with enacting that legislation.

BOB

January 11th, 2011
1:36 pm

Maybe he hears Palin. – Maybe he i very, very sick and hears the voices of Tucker and Bookman

Wilma

January 11th, 2011
1:37 pm

Using the killings in Arizona for political advantage however slyly reveals a heart committed to politics above humanity. The partisan sherrif in Glendale chose to seek a partisan advantage without regard fo the facts of the case and without including the excesses, some extreme, of those who share his politcal perspective.
The feds took over the case so we don’t have to wonder if he is too political to actually investigate the case.

sally

January 11th, 2011
1:39 pm

Roger Ailes, Prez of FauxNews Channel-has asked the three stooges of hate (beck, hannity, o’reilly) to tone it down. Guilt is a powerful emotion.

Commonsense

January 11th, 2011
1:40 pm

WAR,

How bout this. I will agree that Palin should defend herself. She should defend herself with as much effort as Obama did his relationship with Bill Ayers, being a Kenyan, having a birth certificate and being a Marxist. Fair enough?

Tea Party Meber

January 11th, 2011
1:40 pm

Her stance on ileagle emmigration was a joke.

Kamchak

January 11th, 2011
1:42 pm

I personally don’t listen or watch any of the shows you mention…

It never ceases to amaze me when I read this kind of statement, ’cause Fox News is supposed to be the most bestest news network like eveh, on account of it has the mostest people watching. Same thing with Rushbo—20 million people reportedly listen to him daily, yet just like Peter, they deny El Rusbo.

Is that a rooster I hear crowing in the background?

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
1:46 pm

Nah, Kam, if there were a rooster, we’d be also hearing about “ilegals”. Oh wait, we are.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
1:47 pm

Words only have important influential meaning when a retail clerk accidentally says “Happy Holidays” in front of a rightwing activist.

retired early

January 11th, 2011
1:48 pm

Bob

Former President George W Bush acknowledged that God spoke to him and told him to run for president . Personally , that is pretty scary when you think this man was in charge of this country for 8 years . God probably also told him to invade Iraq .

Commonsense

January 11th, 2011
1:48 pm

Simpletons,

Obama’s bill is the same as Hitler’s Enabling Act. Hitler’s version, just like Obama’s, deals with rationing. Hitler, just like Obama, promised healthcare for all, jobs for all and safety. Simply looking at video footage from this era and you can see for youself these people had zero healthcare. How foolish are you?

And yes, I do care about my fellow Americans that do not have healthcare. Just like every study and survey has proven for decades now, I give more in charity in a single year than any of you libweirdos have given in a lifetime.

If you need anymore educating, please let me know.

paleo-neo-Carlinist, aka Joe the Plutocrat

January 11th, 2011
1:51 pm

reired early, I think we’re on the same wavelength, but I did not use the word “forgive”. I used the word “defend” (and I specifically used this word, within the context of the legal insanity defense). the criteria you use to identify or define ‘mental illnesses’ (‘obsessed’… to the point…that it disturbs the normal , balance of facts , in critical decision making) is probably more common than the previously accepted (’barks at the moon’) lunatic. and this is because of the (what Stephen Colbert refers to as) “thruthiness” employed by the poli-media complex. shamelessly hiding behind ‘the First Amendment’ and the base level “I’m good-my opponent is evil” ethos of politics, and wrapping the entire excercise in a red, white and blue American flag (claiming the title of “patriot” as a right vs. left issue) “enables” the plutocracy to maintain its control over the unwashed masses. but you know what suggests to me the shooter is “mentally unstable”? the fact that people like him (and McVeigh, and Rudolph, et al) actually think they are patriots, or freedom fighters, or that their use of violence well “change” anything? of course, I think people who vote (and in a mea culpa; blog) are just as insane in thinking they (I) can “change” the relationship between the plutocracy and the people. to wit; “right wing radio” is no more “unchallenged” than Obama and the left’s disingenous “hope and change” mantra. I have long argued on these blogs that the whole process is like bookies setting lines, ergo each “ideology” attracts action from different sources, but I tend to agree with the previous post that said; right wing extremist = left wing extremist. mental illness/stability has nothing to do with it. every been to a pro wrestling event? again, consider the “birthers” as well as the “climate change” chicken littles. “distortion of facts” is not a sidebar to “modern history” IT IS MODERN HISTORY.

Get Real

January 11th, 2011
1:51 pm

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
1:55 pm

Wilma sez: “Using the killings in Arizona for political advantage however slyly reveals a heart committed to politics above humanity. The partisan sherrif in Glendale chose to seek a partisan advantage without regard fo the facts of the case and without including the excesses, some extreme, of those who share his politcal perspective.”
————————————————————————————–
Well, thank goodness you are so above partisan advantage (ever so slyly, of course).

Kamchak

January 11th, 2011
1:58 pm

WAR

January 11th, 2011
2:00 pm

commonsense
he did speak about bill ayers, his father is kenyan–the pres is American-born thus the birth certificate is a dead argument, and marxism is a stretch.

WAR

January 11th, 2011
2:01 pm

good day to you all. be safe if you must travel.

the second amendement protects the first.

Get Real

January 11th, 2011
2:02 pm

Hey CT…why don’t you tell your pals at NYT, especially Paul Krugman to back off the blame game, what a complete jerk…

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
2:04 pm

Frankly, I don’t know why the Right is being so defensive about this incident. Didn’t the alleged killer do exactly what the Right has been trumpeting for months? The young man, however disturbed, apparently believed government was tyranny. . .and that is how many steps removed from the rhetorical claims we’ve heard these last few months? So what makes the groups of demonstraters waving guns and talking about “watering the tree of liberty” and if-they-can’t-win-the-ballot-they-can-use-the-bullet less mentally disturbed than this young man?

It is going to be very interesting if the attorney for this man decides to employ the right to a second amendment remedy as part of the defense for his actions.

On the other hand, what we seem to be hearing from the Right now is that, no matter how inflammatory their symbolic rhetoric is, they really don’t MEAN it – it’s just a little political theater. . .just entertainment. Of course, if it really is meaningless, that rather removes any reason for them to bother with using it any longer.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
2:04 pm

Simpletons….. Germany had superhighways, Ike adopted them and put them in the US. Germany had V2 rockets, we took the same scientists and went to the moon. Germany built the Bizmark, the local donut shop sells a bizmark. Gernany has a Kaiser, Whole Foods sells a Kaiser roll. Germans drank beer, and who owns our breweries (well okay some Dutch or other group close to Germany).

If you need more edumaction, contact Glenn Becky

paleo-neo-Carlinist, aka Joe the Plutocrat

January 11th, 2011
2:05 pm

retired early, AND “W” is a self-described alcoholic, which we all know is ‘a disease’. and we also know some mental health professionals/experts view addiction as a ‘mental illness’. the whole ‘mental illness’ styory is a canard; a ruse to occupy the minds of the dim-witted lemmings who think illnesses can be ‘cured’ (and if you believe Big Pharm, these diseases can be ‘cured’ with this bill or that, which is why we need healthcare reform to ensure we all get our pills, and Big Pharm gets paid… but that’s another kettle of fish, right?). when the gub-ment embraces violence (Kathryn Johnston, invasion of Iraq, the death penalty, Predator drone missile strikes) it is judicious and prudent and necessary, but when some citizen resolves an issue via violence, it HAS TO BE the result of mental illness. as I have said many times; ‘check mate’

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
2:05 pm

War…be precise now. Where exactly does the 2d amendment protect the 1st?

MarkV

January 11th, 2011
2:05 pm

Commonsense@1:48pm
It is abundadently clear that your are the one who needs educating most. It is also clear that it would be a hopeless effort.

I'm with Kamchak

January 11th, 2011
2:10 pm

Found the real story for “Targeting” Democrats here:

w w w.verumserum.com/?p=13647

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:15 pm

Keep up the good fight!

Order your bumper sticker (The 2nd Amendment Protects the 1st) from “Zazzle”.

Get yours today !

ODDOWL

January 11th, 2011
2:17 pm

BAN ALL HAND GUNS…. The second amendment doesn’t allow for the ownership of hand guns by private citizens. The Constitution allow for a well regulated militia that use long rifles and shot guns. All hand guns should be banned. All long rifles and shot guns should not have clips that hold more than 10 rounds. BAN ALL HAND GUNS…

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
2:20 pm

Come on Bingo…you can be clearer. Take responsibility for your words. Be clear. What do you mean at 2:15 PM. How do you use the second amendment to protect the first?

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:20 pm

“I say that the Second Amendment is, in order of importance, the first amendment. It is America’s First Freedom, the one right that protects all the others. Among freedom of speech, of the press, of religion, of assembly, of redress of grievances, it is the first among equals. It alone offers the absolute capacity to live without fear. The right to keep and bear arms is the one right that allows “rights” to exist at all.”

Moses

Bob in Alpharetta

January 11th, 2011
2:21 pm

CT, I agree. Also, I have been appalled at the venom spewed all over by msNBC and HuffPo….trying, so outrageously to associate this national tragedy with those with differing political views. I see their attempts at that misdirection as a clear indication of the content of their character.

Lake Burton

January 11th, 2011
2:22 pm

@commonsense,

And don’t forget that Hitler liked Israel as much as our modern day Liberal/Neo-Comms do. The similiarities between Odumba and Hitler are frightening.

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:23 pm

“By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.”

Emerson

The King wouldn’t listen to reason so we gave him lead.

That’s how we got our free speech.

And if a future form of our government becomes tyrannical.

We will use it again.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
2:24 pm

Bingo sez: ““I say that the Second Amendment is, in order of importance, the first amendment. It is America’s First Freedom, the one right that protects all the others. Among freedom of speech, of the press, of religion, of assembly, of redress of grievances, it is the first among equals.”
——————————————————-
It sure did a great job of protecting Gabby Gifford’s freedom of speech last weekend, didn’t it? And what about the freedom of speech for those who are dead. . .? Did they unwillingly sacrifice their freedoms in order for the second amendment to continue to “protect” yours?

juno

January 11th, 2011
2:26 pm

Exactly. Hitler’s Enabling Act is the same as Obamacare, or as close to it as it could legally get in today’s climate. No one ever brings that up. And a simple internet search proves that Hitler did campaign on “improving” their healthcare, which as you pointed out, was not being implemented whatsoever. Great comparrison.

bawahahahha!!!

January 11th, 2011
2:28 pm

Next the kooks are going to say Obama isn’t a liberal at all, he’s really a Centrist/Moderate!! Oh wait, they already do say that!!! LOL!!!

Helen Thomas must be the biggest Conservative in the world then since she hates Zionists and Jews equally, LOL!!!!

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:30 pm

kevinbegoode:

Basically yes. Freedom has a price.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
2:32 pm

Bob in Alpharetta sez: “Also, I have been appalled at the venom spewed all over by msNBC and HuffPo….trying, so outrageously to associate this national tragedy with those with differing political views. I see their attempts at that misdirection as a clear indication of the content of their character.”
——————————————————————
Well now, if conservatives hadn’t gotten all so immediately thrown off and defensive about their own rhetoric, the political controversy wouldn’t have lasted very long. Instead, when the sheriff merely mentions talk radio (without pointing to any one group or ideology), they go ballistic.
There never was any excuse for the level of vitriol that has been going on in this country. We’ve seen examples already of how it has affected people (note the Knoxville unitarian church shootings, the Kansas Tiller murder). Each time the groups the perpetrator was associated with scurried away from any responsibility.
Now if we are all going to go around and say that someone who starts taking that speech into real action is mentally unstable, then why can’t we start claiming that the people airing that speech to begin with are mentally unstable?

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:32 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

Plus, your president feels the same way ……………

‘That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, WE BRING A GUN,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
2:33 pm

Bingo at 2:23 PM And if a future form of our government becomes tyrannical. We will use it again

That is the exact stupidity that kills people. But I guess it does not take much to double down on stupid. You did it well. It has no place in our current political environment with a lawfully elected president.

So if you have a problem, with our current elected officials and are threatening them….. be clearer. You’re not too cowardly are you because you will be visited by the FBI or Secret Service. Or are you just going to play weasel now and fail to take responsibility for your stupidity.

Matin Dean

January 11th, 2011
2:34 pm

You people are honestly trying to associate Sarah Palin with this freak when your very own President has himself said bring a gun to a knife fight and has referred to Republicans as “the enemy?” Nevermind his administration talking about stepping on the oppositions’ throat?

You all as stupid as you are pathetic. But what more should you expect from a soulless liberal??

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:34 pm

kevinbegoode:

How many innoncent people (citizens and law enforcement) die each year because of the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments?

The 2nd is not different.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
2:37 pm

Bingo sez: “Basically yes. Freedom has a price.”
—————————————————————————

So, essentially, no one has any real freedoms, because anyone else wishing to extinguish those individuals is free to do so at will, with the aid and assistance of the government and some political partisans encouraging the imagery and legality of using weapons. for the purpose of extinguishing those rights and lives of other citizens.
Perhaps what we should do is get some brave patriots to step up to the plate and become voluntary victims for the next rampage instead of forcing innocent people to make the sacrifices at the simple whim of a “mentally disturbed” person.

So whose rights did that second amendment protect last weekend?

Real Athens

January 11th, 2011
2:38 pm

Hitler liked Israel? Now that’s one I haven’t heard before. Seeing that Hitler was dead in April of 1945 and Israel was created in 1948 — I’d have to say that is a stretch.

Hal Boyd

January 11th, 2011
2:38 pm

Ms. Tucker -

I always read your column, but I do not often agree with you. You always make me think though.

Today, I think you have it spot on ! I have three things to say about todays’ column and how you have nailed how many of us feel about Ms. Palin:
Right on, right on, right on !

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:39 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

Oh, I’m sorry.

I was just kind of quoting the Declaration of Independence wherein it was referring to tyrannical government. Exxxuuuuuuuuse Me!

“That whenever (ANY) Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the (RIGHT) of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute (NEW) Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to (THEM) shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
2:42 pm

Yep…Bingo is a weasel and stupid about it too.

So Bingo do you believe the current Obama administration is tyrannical?

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:43 pm

Kevinbegoode:

“So whose rights did that second amendment protect last weekend?”

Easy …………. Any legal gun toter who could have been in the crowd that day.

Those brave people who did tackle him had to wait until that gun was empty and it took another 3 minutes for the police to arrive.

It’s a shame a gun toter wasn’t close by. It might have saved lives.

Get Real

January 11th, 2011
2:44 pm

Bob in Alpharetta

What else does MSNBC and the Huffington Post have? Their entire reason for existing is bashing the right with lies and excoriating venom….they simply have nothing else

Real Athens

January 11th, 2011
2:45 pm

Hitler’s Enabling Act of 1935 is the same as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?

There not even in the same ballpark. Hell, they’re not even the same game.

“The Enabling Act was passed by Germany’s Reichstag and signed by President Paul von Hindenburg on 24 March 1933. It was the second major step, after the Reichstag Fire Decree, through which Chancellor Adolf Hitler legally obtained plenary powers and established his dictatorship. It received its name from its legal status as an enabling act granting the Cabinet the authority to enact laws without the participation of the Reichstag. The act stated that it was to last for four years unless renewed by the Reichstag, which occurred twice.”

Really, you need to stop listening to Glenn Beck.

Why should any of us believe anything you say when you have such a hard time telling the truth.

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:48 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

1) “Yep…Bingo is a weasel and stupid about it too.” I answer your question and you resort to name calling. Brilliant but doesn’t make for a good debator.

Do you have a problem with that language in the Declaration of Independence?

2) “So Bingo do you believe the current Obama administration is tyrannical?”

Nope. You obviously need a course in reading comprehension or you would have seen that I said “FUTURE” government.

FUTURE means not this one. Got it?

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
2:52 pm

I have no problem with the Declaration… I have a problem with your effort to “kinda quote it” but not and to twist it. As for your second comment, since you agree there is no tyranny, your comments are inappropriate to the entire discussion. Thanks for playing. Enjoy the visit you may be getting. Perhaps you can try the cutesy kinda quote as you wet your pants in fear of a real arrest.

gm

January 11th, 2011
2:55 pm

When you tea party, conservatives get it, using words like take our country back, calling the President of the United States a socialist, we need to destroy government , these are racist tones no matter how you people try to defend it.

Palin, Beck, Rush, Hannity are responsible for this act of violent, these people speak this trash to low middle class whites, who are mad at society because they did not change with the times.

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
2:59 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

I’m scared and you’re still a bad debator.

Get Real

January 11th, 2011
3:00 pm

gm

You are hopelessly adrift

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
3:05 pm

Bingo…That’s okay. I am sure your are a master debator. You proved that you are not responsible and you are a coward. I can live with being a bad debator anytime over being a nonsensical coward like you.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
3:07 pm

Here is a collection of Republican quotes from the mid-term elections:

Target Practice
Robert Lowry, a Republican challenger to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schulz (D-FL), stopped by a local Republican event in October. The event was at a gun range, andLowry shot at a human-shaped target that had Wasserman Schulz’s initials written next to it. He later said it was a “mistake.”
….

Shooting With The Candidate

Giffords’ own opponent, Republican Jesse Kelly, had a gun-themed fund-raiser in June in which supporters could come and shoot an M-16 rifle with Kelly. It was promoted thusly: Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”
….

Cleaning My Guns
About a year ago, Richard Behney, a tea partier from Indiana running for former Sen. Evan Bayh’s seat, told a group of Second Amendment activists that they didn’t have to resort to armed insurrection — “yet.”

“We can get new faces in. Whether it’s my face or not, I pray to God that I see new faces. And if we don’t see new faces, I’m cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I’m serious about that, and I bet you are, too. But I know none of us want to go that far yet, and we can do it with our vote,” he said.

Second Amendment Remedies
Erstwhile Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R-NV) found herself in June defending comments she had made six months earlier about the Second Amendment.

“People are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I’ll tell you, the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out,” she said.
….

Armed And Dangerous
This example is a little older, but it’s notable that Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) is one of the few to win her race after repeated references to guns and violence.

In March 2009, she said on a radio show: “I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax, because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us having a revolution every now and then is a good thing. And the people — we the people — are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.”
….

We Hunt Democrats
Another one from 2009: Rep. Gregg Harper (R-MS) told Politico that he hunts Democrats. Asked about the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, he said, “We hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats, although it does seem like a waste of good ammunition.”

Ballots & Bullets
New Rep. Allen West (R-FL) almost hired a Florida talk-radio host, Joyce Kaufman, as his chief of staff. But Kaufman withdrew after media coverage of some of her more fiery statements, such as:

“I am convinced that the most important thing the Founding Fathers did to ensure me my First Amendment rights was they gave a Second Amendment,” she told a tea party crowd last summer. “And if ballots don’t work, bullets will.”

Thanks to the Daily Kos, I found these quotes there.

Dick Hertz

January 11th, 2011
3:09 pm

Bit dishonest here. Only one group of people have made their political movement about removing legally elected politicians with a second amendment solution. It’s disingenuous to say that a group may have stacked the wood and poured gas on the pile but gosh, never foresaw that someone would light it and burn a house down.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
3:09 pm

Now gm, the conservatives keep saying they don’t really mean anything with such rhetoric – it’s just good ole fashioned political entertainment. Why, they’d never actually REALLY declare other political parties or fellow citizens “tyrants” who should be targeted for elimination. . .they’ve just said that stuff to put the fear into people.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
3:12 pm

kevinb and Dick….yes they do like to play their little games and then cry out “well we did not tell them to do it” or you said this so that is the same nonequivalence. I dont care what their political affliations. Show them for the true cowards that they are.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
3:14 pm

A+A sez: “I am convinced that the most important thing the Founding Fathers did to ensure me my First Amendment rights was they gave a Second Amendment,” she told a tea party crowd last summer. “And if ballots don’t work, bullets will.”
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I believe the American Revolution was not supported by the majority of citizens at the time. So it seems the Right’s philosophy here is that the ONLY time it is legit to exercise second amendment remedies is when THEY decide to do it, whether the majority of Americans support them or not. Otherwise, as apparently is the case with this young man in Tucson who killed these people, the perpetrator is mentally disturbed.

Get Real

January 11th, 2011
3:14 pm

Ahhhhh….the liberal diarrhea continues…blah blah blah…plop squirt and fizzle..

derment

January 11th, 2011
3:18 pm

His peers have feared for him for years. They knew all along he was a leftwing nutjob, but thanks to the liberal ideology that has invaded our schools and laws, nothing could be done about him UNTIL he did something.

Same exact approach the kooks want us to take all around the world when it comes to the safety of the country. As usual, liberalism shows her ugly, destructive and deadly face, yet again.

Alatsea

January 11th, 2011
3:20 pm

Only one coward on this blog and that is you who hides behind a keyboard and calls everybody a lier. Lies, lies,lies. Eat sh!t and bark at the moon weasel.

casual observer

January 11th, 2011
3:20 pm

After reading all these weak commentaries especially the original , I have yet to read ONE shred of evidence or one quote that would connect Palin , Linbaugh or anybody else to murder.

Do you realize that when CT and all the rest of the oppurtunistic Socialist Hacks use a tragedy to further a political agenda, they are munipulating the public to do their sinister deads for them. Come on people!!! Even the weakest of minds out there can see the absurdidty of acussing a political comentator of being an accessory to murder is dangerous. Jim “Gerrymander” Clyburn and Cynthia Tucker want America to be bankrupt and hollow only to rebuild under a Socialist idea. And they will use tragedy to fill their sick agenda.

the crazies are out

January 11th, 2011
3:26 pm

I think the only “stretch” is saying that a country that goes back thousands of years was “created” in 1945. I think you meant they gained their Independence then. Not exactly the same thing, brainiac.

chow

January 11th, 2011
3:27 pm

@ derment –

Absolutely correct!! You hit the nail on the head!!!

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
3:34 pm

Alatsea

The poster you are referring to is unstable and mentally challenged. He claims to be an attorney, but day after day, he is blogging from sunrise until long after everyone else leaves.

I wouldn’t give much credibility to the fact that he calls others a coward. He has accused me of being a rapist and of course the ever popular racist.

If you look back through this post and the posts from yesterday, you will see these people defending a mass murderer by trying to blame his actions on conservatives.

Take it for what it is: they would rather defend the actions of a madman who killed 6 innocent people including a federal judge in order to avoid missing an opportunity to make accusations against people who disagree .with their twisted political mantra, and then accuse conservatives of being the problem.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
3:37 pm

I can’t help this derail-I finally found something that the right wing commenters on this blog will be able to relate to:

How To Tell If You’re A Teabagger:

If you think the greatest thing Thomas Jefferson ever wrote was about watering a tree, you might be a Teabagger.

If you think there really is a government program called “Obamacare”, you might be a Teabagger.

If you have ever added a small mustache to a picture of Obama, you might be a Teabagger.

If you are currently on Medicare and you’re holding a sign that reads, “I oppose government run healthcare”, you might be a Teabagger.

If you like to crumple up dollar bills and throw them at disabled people, you might be a Teabagger.

If you’ve ever referred to President Obama as “that black fella in Washington”, you might be a Teabagger.

If you believe it’s a good idea to openly carry an AK-47 to a political rally, you might be a Teabagger.

If you think being a teabagger has nothing to do with testicles, you might be a Teabagger.

If you’ve ever held a sign that said, “You can have my healthcare when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers”, you might be a Teabagger.

If you feel emotionally moved whenever Glenn Beck speaks, you might be a Teabagger.

If you’ve ever made an information request to the Hawaii Department of Vital Records and you’re not a resident of Hawaii, you might be a Teabagger.

If you need to bring a lawn chair to a 1 hour Tea Party rally, you might be a Teabagger.

If you think the 2008 Presidential election was a choice between two socialists, you might be a Teabagger.

If you think Tim McVeigh was a great American, you might be a Teabagger.

If you think health insurance reform affects your 2nd amendment rights, you might be a Teabagger.

If you like to look at Sarah Palin AND listen to her speak, you might be a Teabagger.

If you think Obama is a M-O-R-A-N, you might be a Teabagger.

If you can’t accurately explain even one part of the new healthcare law yet you still strongly oppose it, you might be a Teabagger.

If you are thinking about moving to Canada to get away from government health insurance mandates, you might be a Teabagger.

If you believe Republicans are just too damn liberal, you might be a Teabagger.

If you think the Tea Party is a grassroots organization, you might be a Teabagger.

If you complain about Obama’s spending and not Bush’s, you might be a teabagger.

If you think armed militias are a sensible idea, you might be a Teabagger.

If you like to shout-down other citizens at town-hall meetings, you might be a Teabagger.

Joe

January 11th, 2011
3:37 pm

What about the dem party using those so called crosshairs Tucker. You and your clueless ilk will continue to use derogatory comments to try and incite hatred towards conservatives. It has come out that this freak was pissed because, as NBC’s Andrea Mitchell put it, Giffords didn’t vote for Pelosi. He was an atheist and an avid reader of Marx. Sounds far left to me. Certainly not a Republican. It would seem to me that the dem party needs to straighten out their own loons instead of trying to pin the blame on sane people such as Tea Partiers and Sarah Palin.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
3:40 pm

And Joe, why not pin the blame on Sarah Palin? Cross hairs aren’t bulls eyes. Close, but not the same.

Joe

January 11th, 2011
3:40 pm

A+A:

This is a perfect example of someone trying to incite violence….. And of course with a serious delusional far left slant…

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)

January 11th, 2011
3:41 pm

Kevenbgoode@2:32 – you really hit the nail on the head re initial OVER-REACTION to Sheriff’s Dupnik’s words on Saturday night following the horrid attacks from that deranged killer.

Here are the man’s exact words – note that he NEVER mentions right, left, conservative, Sister Sarah or whatever.
“When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous,” said the sheriff. “And unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”

When asked by a reporter if Giffords being shot could have been motivated by “prejudice and bigotry,” Dupnik responded, “All I can tell you is that there’s reason to believe that this individual may have a mental issue. And I think that people who are unbalanced are especially susceptible to vitriol.”

That’s it! So why did the conservatives and folks in the right wing media take such immediate defense? I did not hear any lefties object to the Sheriff’s words nor did the Sheriff blame ANYONE by name. But the “blame game” accusations started immediately. I believe that with words come ACCOUNTABILITY. Our precious liberties granted by the First Amendment do not come without accountability. We would do well as a society to use this great tragedy as a teachable moment for civics and civility. what a shame that we tend to react to these type matters after the fact..even as we ignore the dim lights of the freight train coming right towards us.

gm

January 11th, 2011
3:41 pm

Why is Bill O’Reilly not call this guy a terroist? Boy had this guy been a muslim white American would have lost their mind, never mind this is another white male that has killed millions Americans.
Night after night Beck, Rush tell middle class whites how bad the Government is, and President Obama is destroying our country, so these people are responsible you can sugar coat is all you want, but the chickens have come home to roost again.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
3:44 pm

A+A

Sarah Palin? Here’s an idea. Why not stop defending a mass murderer and start putting the blame on the far left liberal who pulled the friggin trigger?

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
3:44 pm

derment sez: “His peers have feared for him for years. They knew all along he was a leftwing nutjob, but thanks to the liberal ideology that has invaded our schools and laws, nothing could be done about him UNTIL he did something.”
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Well gosh. . .conservatives wanted him to have access to that Glock and all those rounds of ammo, conservatives gutted the mental health care profession until there were few avenues to address those problems, and conservatives regularly broadcasted messages claiming the federal government was a tyranny.

So why are you people on the Right bothered at all? Your rhetoric is just entertainment, remember?

And speaking of nutjobs, I was just watching a fascinating video of a conservative woman – associated with a “ministry,” (naturally), who draws connections between repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policies and God punishing us by killing all those birds and fish around the world.
Can you just imagine what second amendment remedies she could seek out if she wanted to buy a Glock and fight tyranny?

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
3:45 pm

gm

And yet another liberal defending the actions of a mass murderer.

IS there any liberal on here with an IQ in the triple digits?

Scout

January 11th, 2011
3:49 pm

A+A :

You forgot to find these:

A selection of inflammatory remarks by Obama:

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“Don’t you think we’re not keeping score, brother?”
“Bring it on”
“Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans”
“I want all Americans to get in each others’ faces!”
“You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun”
“Republicans are our enemies”
“Hit back twice as hard.”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick. “
Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
“It’s time to fight for it.”
Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
“I’m itching for a fight.”
“They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
3:49 pm

kevinbgoode

Why do you guys keep defending the actions of this madman.

Go back through the posts today and yesterday and find the posts where you or any other liberal blamed the murderer who pulled the trigger.

Do you have no shame?

A+A

January 11th, 2011
3:49 pm

I am shocked by how many members of the Westboro Babtist Church are posting today.

gm

January 11th, 2011
3:49 pm

Nothing Is Free: Yet another hypocrite conservative who want admit the truth, defending Sara Palin who IQ is in the triple digits.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
3:51 pm

Nonsense…yes I detected the arrival of you and your sock puppets. Did you drop your “my little pony” toy?

Thanks for your feigned concern regarding my income and life style, but as much as it kills you to know how I manage it all, whether its wealth from prior investments, current clients or lottery winnings, you just dont know but you love the personal attack without fact. In fact, its one of your repeated style for the bully effort. Is that why you are a low level self-admitted hack for the local GOP?

Own your racism, my non-friend, along with your namejacker puppet. As for your continued false posts about that rape thingy you won’t deny, well the truth is available. .

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
3:51 pm

Nothing is Free sez: “Sarah Palin? Here’s an idea. Why not stop defending a mass murderer and start putting the blame on the far left liberal who pulled the friggin trigger?”
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Well, for one thing, your imagination is working overtime trying to parrot your email bulletins – though I hope you donated to the Tea Party Express who are using this tragedy as a fundraising effort.
And once again, would the ideology really matter anyway? I mean, didn’t the perpetrator clearly state in his videos that he believed the governmental laws were unconstitutional, that they were engaged in mass brainwashing? And wasn’t he merely exercising the same second amendment remedies – you know, the very ones parroted over and over and over and over again by countless right wing activists on just about every broadcast venue across the country – that the Right claims is at the heart of their righteous patriotism?

Now I know conservatives have been backing up and claiming that they are all law-abiding and would NEVER do anything like that – so think of it this way. . .what a very positive step this country has taken in discovering that all that right-wing ideological vitriolic rhetoric was just idle entertainment without any serious meaning at all.

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
3:52 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

Even Franklin knew it might not last forever:

“The great American patriot Benjamin Franklin was asked, upon his emergence from the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, what form of government the United States was going to have. Franklin answered succinctly, ‘A Republic, if you can keep it.’ “

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
3:53 pm

gm

Hey Einstein. Palin shot no one. Where is your anger against the Marxist who pulled the trigger? So far all I have seen from you is low brow, classless attacks against people who disagree with you, politically.

It’s accepted that you aren’t very smart, but haven’t you shamed yourself enough already?

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
3:56 pm

kevinbgoode

And yet another post defending this guy.

This is just getting damned creepy.

So is there a limit to how low you will go to have a reason to attack people who think differently than you?

Joe

January 11th, 2011
3:59 pm

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR):

You are factuial inaccurate just like most liberals. He mentioned Rush in his interview with Dianne Sawyer. Google it!

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
3:59 pm

Keep Up

Your income?

Asking your Mom for money isn’t usually considered an income.

You have painted yourself into your own little hysterical corner, kid.

I just wonder how anyone can stand to be here for the 50-60 hours a week. Do you have no life at all?

Pathetic.

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
4:00 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

This is what some of the founding fathers thought about the reason for the 2nd Amendment and it has nothing to do with hunting, home protection, collection, target shooting or whatever:

“What the Founders had in mind is quite clear and there is no doubt about what they were thinking. The following quotations make this abundantly clear. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton all clearly expressed their reasons for the establishing the Second Amendment. Here are some of the things they had to say on the subject: Washington stated that “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s teeth and keystone under independence.” Jefferson had similar thoughts stating: “And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms . . .” Hamilton said: “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is no recourse left but in the exertion of the original right of self-defense which is paramount to all forms of positive government.” James Madison in Federalist No. 46 predicted that encroachments by the federal government would provoke “plans of resistance” and an “appeal to the trial of force.”

It’s part of the historical record. If you don’t like that, take it up with them.

Wilma

January 11th, 2011
4:01 pm

How much fun is it to call out the prozac addicted Pelosi and her long list of gaffes, attacks and slurs while leading the House of Representatives of the United States?
O yes. you only “call out” people who disagree with you.
Another reason you have no credibility.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
4:02 pm

Nothing is Free sez: “Why do you guys keep defending the actions of this madman.

Go back through the posts today and yesterday and find the posts where you or any other liberal blamed the murderer who pulled the trigger.

Do you have no shame?”
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I was just about to ask you the same question. Just imagine, the Right trying desperately to label this man as mentally disturbed. . .then sending frantic emails around to their lists desperately looking for ways to make him a “liberal”. . .and yet having to eventually settle for just a “madman.”
And yet you still can’t point out here how – or where – this perpetrator differed in his approach to dealing with his perception of tyranny from the rhetoric of the Right. It appears that conservatives are attempting to claim he was a madman because he actually went to the supermarket and pulled the trigger on all those people. . .but then claim that their use of similar symbolic rhetoric for months and months and months wasn’t mad because…well, it was just talk. Just entertaining, political theater.
And yet the Right doesn’t quite want to really accept that claim either, because it would make them seem like paper tigers – and worse – the rhetoric will no longer effectively intimidate or bully people because they know the Right really doesn’t mean it, because actually DOING any of those things would make them mad, rather than “patriots.”

But nice try claiming anyone was defending the actions of this madman.

Joe

January 11th, 2011
4:03 pm

kevinbgoode:

Last I checked Tea Partiers and Sarah Palin didn’t burn flags and worship a skull. Maybe you should look around you and your ilk on the left and weed out the freaks so maybe you guys can get some help…. Did you see the interview with his friend with the pink hair? It’s laughable that you far left freaks are trying to tie this guy in with conservatives…..

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
4:05 pm

Wilma sez: “How much fun is it to call out the prozac addicted Pelosi and her long list of gaffes, attacks and slurs while leading the House of Representatives of the United States?”
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Well I’m sure you can produce lots of evidence of target maps and rhetorical campaigns featuring such B-movie action words.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
4:06 pm

Well, I’m sure glad to find out that words really don’t mean very much. Next year, when the Right announces their annual “war on Christmas” campaign, I’ll be sure to say “happy holidays” as often as possible.

Real Athens

January 11th, 2011
4:07 pm

Israel was created in 1948. Before then it was called Palestine. Before that the area was has been under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule. Jewish presence in the region dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 AD. Really, all this information is readily available if you’d just look for yourself instead of marching lockstep with a nincompoop on the TV.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
4:07 pm

Bingo…sorry. Not going to let you revise your cowardly words by trying to taint the Founding Fathers with your claims. You admit we dont have a tyrannical government. After the murder and attempted murder at an event for people to discuss their government with their elected officials, your nonsense in your prior post is unacceptable and not part of legitimate political discussion. Our elected officials should not have to fear violence from anyone or any so-called second amendment remedy treason.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
4:09 pm

Wilma

It doesn;t matter. There have been post after post pointing out the facts about the killer, his politics and the divisive comments made by Obama, and every political pundit on the left.

It is like talking to someone hypnotized. They have nothing to offer but hate, and obviously even defending the actions of a mass murderer in order to attack Palin is not beneath them.

I am usually able to stay here for a while, but after yesterday and what I’ve seen today, I’m good for about 15 minutes of watching some very disturbed people rationalizing the actions of a mass murderer before I am completely disgusted and creeped out.

I’m heading for the shower. Maybe that will help.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
4:14 pm

kevinbgoode

I’ve given you the opportunity to spread your insane hate quite enough.

Grow a clue, and hopefully, after you have been defending this guy enough, you will snap out of it and realize what you have been doing, but indoctrination is a horrible thing and I see you as a victim of it.

Walk away from the indoctrination. Palin, Limbaugh or I didn’t have anything to do with the shooting in AZ.

Come on. Try. At least try. I know you have the ability, if you would just start thinking instead of following what you are told.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
4:15 pm

Joe sez: “Last I checked Tea Partiers and Sarah Palin didn’t burn flags and worship a skull.”
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Well perhaps not. . .though many of them WEAR the flag as clothing. . .which used to be considered highly disrespectful.

And who knows what they really worship, or what voices in the head they use as an excuse for their own irrresponsible behavior?

joe

January 11th, 2011
4:16 pm

A question for sister Sarah—

How’s that lock and loadee thing workin for ya?

bateman

January 11th, 2011
4:17 pm

Well since the liberal smear machine and their pathetic, laughable spin on this story has been completely shot to hell, all that they have left is the gun rights issue. This clown had a beer with the congresswoman since 2007, long before any Socilist healthcare vote and I believe while she was even still a Republican. But his disdain for her has everything to do with his feelng she insulted him 4 years ago, not on a single political stance or position.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
4:18 pm

How is anyone on the left defending Jared Loughtner? Attributing his actions as a response to vicious right wing attacks is an explanation, not a defense. A logical explanation. You take a group of highly paid commentators whose job is to incite hatred toward Democrats then a bunch of Democrats get killed. A to B. I don’t understand why people have a hard time understand that spewing invective against a political party wouldn’t influence an unbalanced individual.
As far as others who have been incited to violence due to right wing rhetoric, well, I’m pretty sure that Eric Rudolph was conservative, after all he got his kicks blowing up abortion clinics and gay clubs. Tim McVeigh was an anti-government ‘patriot’. Blew up a building in Oklahoma. Do you remember the fireman running from those ruins, holding the bloody, dead body of the little girl? The result of an act by a radical conservative. Tim McVeigh was deeply influenced by Christian Identity, a white supremacy group. No one is saying that the right specifically told these guys to do these things, but it is undeniable that right wing pundits and radio personalities seem to have influenced Jared Loughner.

bateman

January 11th, 2011
4:18 pm

Jack

January 11th, 2011
4:20 pm

I’m not a particular fan of Palin. But if she is the GOP candidate in 2012, I’ll vote for her rather than a community organizer or an ex-president’s wife.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
4:22 pm

Nothing is Free sez: “I’ve given you the opportunity to spread your insane hate quite enough.”
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Oh puhleeze – are you royalty or something? YOU don’t give anyone opportunities around here.

But don’t let that feeling of self-importance stop you from some self-examination.

bateman

January 11th, 2011
4:22 pm

A + A,

Last I checked, Conservatives don’t hate Christians, don’t refer to themselves as Zionists, don’t support drug use, don’t burn the flag and don’t like Mein Kampf. This headcase is OBVIOUSLY one of your own. Former classmates and friends have also stated this reality. And the f’ed up system that allowed him to roam free without any interference is also a liberal position to take. I hope you find a way to sleep at night. Just yet another liberal nutjob wiht a gun just like the kook in Huntsville from last year.

sally

January 11th, 2011
4:24 pm

hatred fuels the bagger’s

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)

January 11th, 2011
4:26 pm

Joe@3:59. I clearly stated that my quotes from the Sheriff occured Saturday night – just hours following the shootings. The left started howling at the moon shortly thereafter.

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
4:27 pm

Nothing is Free sez: “I am usually able to stay here for a while, but after yesterday and what I’ve seen today, I’m good for about 15 minutes of watching some very disturbed people rationalizing the actions of a mass murderer before I am completely disgusted and creeped out.”
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You are such a drama queen.

ed

January 11th, 2011
4:28 pm

Jesus, son of God, was/is the most famous liberal of all-time. ‘Cept maybe the Beatles during their heyday.

Avenger

January 11th, 2011
4:28 pm

MarkV. “kayaker 71@10:30
“An armed bodyguard, who watches the crowd for signs of danger, might have made a difference. But the idea that someone in the crowd with a gun in his pocket would have prevented this carnage caused by one guy who took out a pistol and started shooting is ludicrous”. You must realize that these clowns are still stuck on the old west. These people sit around having orgasms watching John Wayne movies and reminiscing about the good old days.

sally

January 11th, 2011
4:30 pm

ed,

Ironic that people who proclaim to follow Jesus are so full of hate for their fellow man. Sad.

Avenger

January 11th, 2011
4:33 pm

Commonsense. You need to change your moniker. The gibberish you spout comes no where near common sense

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
4:34 pm

bateman sez: “Conservatives don’t hate Christians, don’t refer to themselves as Zionists, don’t support drug use, don’t burn the flag and don’t like Mein Kampf.”
————————————————————————————–
Oh puhleeze – conservatives use Hitler’s works all the time to try to pin something on liberals – it’s an old trick…and conservatives not use drugs? Now you are making me laugh. . .and you need to do a nice search about right-wing groups. . .there are plenty of little militias that have burned the flag. . .
That book appeared on a list of readings the guy liked. Nothing said it was an all-inclusive list- or even an updated one. You see…that’s where the Right has itself in a bit of a pickle – you can’t claim to be upstanding, law-abiding, highly moral people on one side of your mouths and then run around screaming that if you don’t have all the power, you’ll invoke second amendment remedies with the other. It kinda makes ya’ll look bad.

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
4:34 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

I am sure you are familiar with the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in “The District of Columbia vs. Heller” wherein the court ruled that “bearing arms” is an individual as opposed to a collective right.

May I refer you to pages 24-25 of that ruling:

“b. Security of a Free State

There are many reasons why the militia was “necessary to the security of a free state” ………………………………………third, that the able bodied men are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist TRYANNY (emphsis added).”

When the FBI gets here I will provide them a copy of this so that they may also interview Justice Roberts and the four justices who concurred in the opinion.

yvonne goolagong

January 11th, 2011
4:35 pm

The shooter was a devotee of AynRand and the gold standard. Definitely living in the warped land of glenbeckistan.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
4:35 pm

Bateman, you would look so cute in a scull mask wearing a pink wig. It would suit you .
Conservatives are directly responsible for this assassination attempt by permitting the complete vilification of the Democratic party. Democrats got killed. Not anti-abortionists. Not tea party people. Democratic leaders. I ask you this: who but the right wing would have more to gain?
The rest of your argument is palaver-Liberals don’t hate Christians, support unrestricted drug use, approve of burning the flag or have a hidden appreciation for Mein Kampf. I would remind you that Hitler has much more in common with conservatives than with liberals. I can prove it but have to go eat dinner in a minute.
All you guys are protesting way too much. It is obvious that this young man reacted to conservative hate commentary. Your arguments are laughable.

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)

January 11th, 2011
4:35 pm

My 4:26 – Make that the RIGHT started howling at the moon thereafter :-)

ed

January 11th, 2011
4:36 pm

rush limbug’s nose is a vacuum for oxycontin.

Wise Just Moderate

January 11th, 2011
4:38 pm

Mass murders are often created not born. What really links this killer to the Right is the pathological contempt and distrust of the Government. It permeates current conservatism far beyond the personalities noted here. He was rejected by the Army and Community College and having adopted the narrative (from his posts) that Government is the root of all evil and that it is “The Problem”, not the solution, blamed that for his failures. Neighbors report he was raised largely in isolation by an extremely contemptuous “stay at home” father. You can bet Government was the focus of that contempt. Direct links to individuals may not be there but such contempt was very clearly his mentality, nutured by the father and shared by many here.

B

January 11th, 2011
4:39 pm

From a dem about a repub – “They ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him.” – nothing incendiary there huh? If Palin said it though, I’m sure the meaning would be different.

Mary Elizabeth

January 11th, 2011
4:43 pm

I just heard on T.V., in passing, a U.S. Congressman say that it is simply hatred that is bringing America down. I agree with that. It takes a creative act of will to change hatred in one’s heart to love.
Milder forms of hatred are insulting and name-calling.

To disregard the seriousness of the effects of these negative words on the spirits of individuals, as well as the spirit of America as a nation, is the same as ignoring the words and actions of the bully. The bully may not kill the body of others, but his/her words can kill the spirits of those without strong autonomy, and we should discourage that lack of civility, unless we do not care if America becomes a brutal nation in sensibility.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
4:48 pm

B-
If you’d correct the grammar in your obviously paraphrased quote more people might be inclined to respond to it. Also, ‘from a dem about a repub’ is not considered an accurate attribution.
Also, this is the kind of thing Palin says:
“But obviously, we’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies.” –Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck’s radio show, Nov. 24, 2010
I know, not relevant but beautiful all the same.

Sarah Palin

January 11th, 2011
4:48 pm

I shoot ilk from my helicopter.

jt

January 11th, 2011
4:49 pm

“unless we do not care if America becomes a brutal nation in sensibility.”

Too late sister.

jamon

January 11th, 2011
4:52 pm

Somewhere in America, Jesus is coming, and another beautiful American baby is born to illegals. Thank you God. Thru your will, you will turn this Country loving and brown.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

January 11th, 2011
4:53 pm

Even in Jesus’ time, you had to be careful. He was a “sword rights” advocate…

Luke 22:36, “And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.”

Mary Elizabeth

January 11th, 2011
4:55 pm

jt @ 4:49

jt, it is never too late for redemption – either for individuals, or a nation. The first step ,in redirection, is speaking out, as I am doing here, and, then, to change directions by changing the heart. Even a minority of thinking can turn the nation around – because what I have said is, morally, the truth.

redtop mountain man

January 11th, 2011
5:04 pm

Palin should be charged as a accessory to murder.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
5:07 pm

Bingo…spin and run like a coward. You have used the threat of guns against politicians you may deem tyrannical with the weasel qualifier “in the future.” Keep trying to hide. You ain’t militia. Have fun explaining it all to the authorities. You should be worried but fortunately because there is a non-tyrannical government you do have the right to trial. You may want to provide your attorney with your copy of the Heller case and the Declaration.

Scout

January 11th, 2011
5:09 pm

redtop mountain man:

And what should with charge Obama with ?

“You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun”
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“Don’t you think we’re not keeping score, brother?”
“Bring it on”
“Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans”
“I want all Americans to get in each others’ faces!”
“Republicans are our enemies”
“Hit back twice as hard.”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick. “
Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
“It’s time to fight for it.”
Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
“I’m itching for a fight.”
“They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”

Bingo

January 11th, 2011
5:12 pm

Keep up the good fight!

The Supreme Court clearly states that one purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to “resist tryanny”.

Whether you like it or not, their rulings are the law of the land.

And in closing for the day, debating you is like debating a child. Maybe you are one. I’m done

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
5:13 pm

Scout, you can keep posting it over and over…but there are differences. SO why dont you simply say Sarah was wrong. Those images are inappropriate in any political matter.

Angry does not equal “target”, “reload”, bullseye’s and the continued gun references from Palin.

And lets be clear. I do not think Palin committed any crime other than pure stupidity.

Really last word

January 11th, 2011
5:13 pm

The only one to blame for this . . . is the young man who committed this atrocity. And, I’m beginning to think based on the bloggers here there are a multitude of wackos other than him.

Real Athens

January 11th, 2011
5:14 pm

Ed:

Rush is a vacuum for many things (besides Oxycontin. He is a very strange man. His actions get a free pass from his minions:

Rush Limbaugh’s Dominican Stag Party;29 Viagra pills, two ‘24′ producers among radio star’s all-male crew

JULY 6–Rush Limbaugh was traveling with four other men–including the producers of the hit show ‘24′–when he was detained over a mislabeled bottle of Viagra found in his luggage during a Customs search. A Department of Homeland security passenger manifest shows that Limbaugh and his four buddies flew from the Dominican Republic on a Gulfstream IV jet owned by Premiere Radio Networks, which syndicates his radio program. Limbaugh returned to Palm Beach, Florida on June 26 with Joel Surnow, ‘24′’s co-creator and executive producer and Howard Gordon, another of the Fox hit’s executive producers (Hollywood agent Jeffrey Benson was also part of the Limbaugh quintet).

With all those guys in tow, it is unclear what Limbaugh needed with those 29 100mg Viagra pills. The passenger manifest was among several documents released today by the Palm Beach County State’s Attorney in response to an open records request. Included in the material released were a copy of the handwritten statement Limbaugh provided investigators after he was detained upon the discovery of the impotency drug.

An affidavit sworn three days later by Limbaugh was also released. In that document, Limbaugh explains that the Viagra ‘was intended for my exclusive use’ and that the drug had been prescribed in the name of his drug treatment doctor, Steven Strumwasser, ‘to further maintain and protect my privacy.’

Rich

January 11th, 2011
5:14 pm

Those on the left who keep bringing up Sarah Palin on a daily basis since this tragedy (I bet MSNBC has used her name in reference to this over 100 times just today) are stupid or outright dishonest. First words our of Chris Matthews today on his show were “Sarah Palin”. The DCCC, itself, used the tactics of a map with targets over congressional districts. In fact, DailyKos used the tactic of the map with targets with this Congresswoman’s name on the map! Evidently, she was too conservative for their taste. What a bunch of lying hypocrites!

A+A

January 11th, 2011
5:14 pm

Scout, double. Please use fresh material or we will pay even less attention to you.
Yum Yum, context please. Otherwise useless.
I wonder why I read “Jesus” as “Elvis”?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

January 11th, 2011
5:15 pm

Printed on the front page of today’s Urinal-

Weather may delay delivery of the newspaper-Urinal

WARNING! The common dummycrat may find the following to be divisive and hate filled rhetoric meant to incite readers to senseless acts of violence, uh, considering recent events. SHIELD YOUR EYES!

Um, if one is reading on the front page that delivery of the Urinal may be delayed, it wasn’t an issue for them , just sayin…

Think, you heathens!

redtop mountain man

January 11th, 2011
5:16 pm

scout,

palin “targeted” her. you lose.

luangtom

January 11th, 2011
5:19 pm

Kudos, CT. I do, however, find it interesting to read how precious and sacred the First Amendment is and yet you could care less that your own words trample the Second Amendment. Without the Second Amendment, the First could not be protected…..nor, truthfully, any of the rest. But, kudos on the article.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

January 11th, 2011
5:19 pm

Wait a minute, my name could be considered hateful and divisive, the way these panty waists are going on, what shall I do now?

Look away, mouth breathers!

Team CoCo!!!

January 11th, 2011
5:19 pm

Jesus wasn’t a liberal. He didn’t desire to steal other people’s belongings to fund his own deranged and selfish desires. He didn’t curse, intimidated, bully or force people into believing what he believed. He didn’t care to control every aspect of people’s lives. And I’m pretty sure he didn’t hate and despise Christians either. Nice try though.

las cruces

January 11th, 2011
5:22 pm

red top,

I disagree, caribou barbie should be charged with treason for targeting a member of congress.

President Odumba

January 11th, 2011
5:25 pm

Uhhh…..hmm….Everyone…ehhh….ummm….when I said, ehh….when I said, we should bring guns to a knife fight…ehh…umm….I hope….hmmm…I hope you know I was only kidding. And…hmmm…ehh…when I said….when I said….people that oppose me are enemies…ehh…hmm….I was only joshing. And…hmm…eh….umm…when I said….ehh….when I said….ahhhh…when I said, we need to put or boots on their throats…ehhh….that…ehhh that…..ehhh that was a joke too!!!

ed

January 11th, 2011
5:26 pm

Looks like they let I Report out of his cage for some exercise.

Its ok he is white

January 11th, 2011
5:27 pm

Its ok he’s white they can kill whom ever they please because he’s white.White people lock and load the mama grizzles are coming white power white the master of all races hey what happened in Arizona is not Palins fault its the blacks for inventing rap, the mexicans for there drugs and the asians for being better at math

liberalism at it's finest!!!

January 11th, 2011
5:28 pm

So let’s get this straight. If a student has spooked his fellow students and teachers over the years, he can’t be approached by authorities because he hasn’t done anything Y-E-T, but a little blue-haired grandmother at a Tea Party event is a terrorist?? LOL!!!! You can’t make this craziness up!!!

Its ok he is white

January 11th, 2011
5:29 pm

Remember its never the superior race fault. Its always the blacks or illegals and legal mexicans

Ralph

January 11th, 2011
5:29 pm

Its ok he is white

January 11th, 2011
5:31 pm

Let get this straight the tea baggers and white people are always the victims

B

January 11th, 2011
5:32 pm

A+A – way to deny and divert.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
5:33 pm

Well, Team CoCo, everything you have said that Jesus doesn’t stand for would accurately describe conservatives. I give you Tom Delay for stealing others belongings to fund his own deranged and selfish desires. Most of the cursing on this site has come from conservatives. Conservatives do care to control every aspect of other peoples lives since they can’t abide the support of intellectualism (you know, nourishing people with ideas. Like evolution, for example). I don’t know why you might think that Jesus hated Christians since there weren’t any Christians when he lived (if he lived at all) and anyway why would he hate the people who loved and followed him.
Sarah Palin needs to take responsibility for using crosshairs. Her protests are specious. They were not intended to be surveyors marks. They are hunting iconography. Everyone knows this.
This is too easy. Who are you people, the B team?

B

January 11th, 2011
5:34 pm

A+A – and how many states do we have according to our current prez?

A+A

January 11th, 2011
5:35 pm

B-I rest my case.

Jackson

January 11th, 2011
5:36 pm

Scout is not being allowed to post.

Avenger

January 11th, 2011
5:37 pm

RDG. I don’t know where you stand on politics (of course it doesn’t matter-the truth is the truth), but man your post @ 11:21AM was like a laser guided missile. Dead on – no one could have said it better. Rush and all others who say this vitriol is harmless are about as lunny as the lunatics. If they didn’t think that they were influencing any one, they wouldn’t be out there constantly blabbing away. Rush says he has twenty million listeners that hang (the ditto heads agree) on his every word, but he does the moon walk better than Michael Jackson if some suggest that he just might influence a lunatic. How illogical is that. Insanity is all over the place. The “designated” lunatics aren’t the only ones exhibiting this trait. In all fairness though, if Ms Tucker had indicated that this vitriol might have some thing to do with pushing lunatics over the cliff, most of these posters would have wanted to burn her at the stakes. Most would want to even if she said that she was becoming a nun. I have to give credit where credit is due – that was a master piece my man.

Dave

January 11th, 2011
5:37 pm

Pot, meet Kettle:

Dem Congressman who called for GOP Gov. to be put against a wall and shot now pleads for civility

“Ex-Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., pens an op-ed in the New York Times today about the proper political response to this weekend’s tragedy. I wholeheartedly support the former Congressman (Kanjorski lost his seat in November) when he argues that, following this weekend’s shooting, Congressman need to remain open and accessible to the public. However, Kanjorski is rather hypocritical when he climbs up on his soapbox:

‘We all lose an element of freedom when security considerations distance public officials from the people. Therefore, it is incumbent on all Americans to create an atmosphere of civility and respect in which political discourse can flow freely, without fear of violent confrontation.’

Incumbent on all Americans to create an atmosphere of civility and respect? Congressman heal thyself! Yesterday, I noted that, according to the Scranton Times, Kanjorski said this about Florida’s new Republican Governor Rick Scott on October 23:

”That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he’s running for governor of Florida. He’s a millionaire and a billionaire. He’s no hero. He’s a damn crook. It’s just we don’t prosecute big crooks.’ “

Jackson

January 11th, 2011
5:37 pm

redtop mtn. man:

I (Scout) am fellow American. He targeted me.

B

January 11th, 2011
5:38 pm

A+A – of course you do

Jackson

January 11th, 2011
5:38 pm

Scout here – I am now Jackson until I am “blocked” again.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
5:49 pm

Rick Scott was forced to resign as Chief Executive of Columbia/HCA in 1997 amid a scandal over the company’s business and Medicare billing practices; the company ultimately admitted to fourteen felonies and agreed to pay the federal government over $600 million.

So, very dirty. I don’t agree with Mr Kanjorski’s ideas of punishment but Scott is clearly a bad example of good.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
5:49 pm

liberals

Here’s a dare that none of you have the balls to take.

For two days you have ignored the posting of vitriol from the left.

Man up. Address what your own party has said and done in the past.

Just try to control your hysterics enough to just address it.

Not one of you have the balls to do it.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
5:49 pm

B-irony is kind of lost on you, isn’t it.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
5:51 pm

A+A

Do you have the balls to address what Obama and members of the Democratic Party have said in the past that could very well have inspired the Marxist that killed those people?

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
5:52 pm

Avenger

Do you have the balls to address what Obama and members of the Democratic Party have said in the past that could very well have inspired the Marxist that killed those people?

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
5:53 pm

Its ok he is white

Do you have the balls to address what Obama and members of the Democratic Party have said in the past that could very well have inspired the Marxist that killed those people?

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
5:54 pm

Anybody?

Anybody got what ikt takes to man up and look at both sides of this?

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
5:55 pm

I’m not holding my breath.

And Keep Up was calling conservatives cowards.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
5:57 pm

Nonsense is Free…child your pathetic demands for attention are showing your complete foolishness and attempted manly bravado. Now do try to take a breath and go back and read what has been previously posted. Your childish dare has already been answered. We’ll be waiting for you condemnation of the right but we won’t be holding our breath. Now hoof it over to the child’s table and do try to learn to behave. You are indeed a little drama queen.

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2011
5:57 pm

NIFfy, have you thought about getting profession help for your delusions of relevance?

Kamchak

January 11th, 2011
6:00 pm

Shorter swampy nowhere man: Boo-hoo.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
6:00 pm

Yeah, it’s all Palin’s fault…

“Dem Congressman who called for GOP Gov. to be put against a wall and shot now pleads for civility”

“OBAMA FLASHBACK: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’…”

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
6:01 pm

And let’s be clear…I called Bingo a coward not all conservatives. You’re great with the lies. Facts don’t really matter to you do they? No wonder you are a self-admitted low level hack for the local GOP.

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2011
6:02 pm

And righties, ain’t nobody outside of your echo chamber buying your false equivalency arguments. Just so you know.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:03 pm

That’s what a thought.

Scout. Does this give you an idea of the kind of people you are dealing with here?

Disgusting\ting gutless creepy little nothings who can’t argue a point, but just want to wag their dirty little fingers and accuse others but haven’t got the balls to defend their own mantra.

Stick with it libs.

I’m pretty sure your gutless accusations are probably making you feel really good about defending the actions of a mass killer.

In reality, I wouldn’t give a dime for the whole lot of you, and apparently as many days as you live here, no one else would either.

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2011
6:03 pm

gm

January 11th, 2011
6:05 pm

Nothing Is Free : Stupid, I guess this hurt when this is one of your own nut jobs.
Marxist, hannity, beck, sara, are the one thats going around calling the President a socialist, Marxist and other names , idiots like you and low middle class whites are the reason this happends.

Roger Asterilla

January 11th, 2011
6:05 pm

At some point, but maybe not soon enough, we as members of this society will learn that in order to have the peace and liberties everyone seems to crave, we will have to balance our right to personal freedom with our need for social stability.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:06 pm

Creeped out again.

What a bunch of creepy, gutless nothings.

This has shown you to be what you really are better than anything that has ever happened.

A+A

January 11th, 2011
6:08 pm

Nothing is Free-please try to make sense. There are adults in the room.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
6:09 pm

What a bunch of creepy, gutless nothings is free.

Fixed that for you my non-friend. You do need to be clearer.

By the way, still waiting for that denouncing of the Palin rhetoric….

H. O'Conner

January 11th, 2011
6:11 pm

Think about it; If a Hip Hop Rapper rap about CROSSHAIRS on a Map and identify Tucson Az. (evident or not), Who will all you doubters blame?????

gm

January 11th, 2011
6:12 pm

I wonder what these racist tea baggers would have done if this guy was a muslim, should we not build a christian temple now near 911 now? after all this was a white male, you see the double standards hyprocrite Rep.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:16 pm

Keep Up

You want to pretend to be an adult and debate this, twit? Can you control your fragile little emotions long enough to do it?

Let me know.

Zoey

January 11th, 2011
6:18 pm

Kanjorski, Democrat from PA says “”That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him”

Anything from Tucker about his dangerous lack of civility or his over the top rhetoric?

Nope.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:18 pm

GM

How about it? Want to address what your own party has said in the past?

Is there a liberal on here with a backbone?

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
6:21 pm

Nonsense is Free….Rational debate is not possible with a child. You are welcome to go back and read my prior posts including the Jon Stewart video link. If you then wish to act and behave like an adult and not a childish drama queen you may of course let us know that you condemn the over the top rhetoric of Palin, the right and any on the left. You may want to include a condemnation of your own rhetoric. Perhaps then real discussion can ensue between adults who are responsible for their own words.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:21 pm

Keep up

Keep your adolescent insults to yourself.

if you w ant to debate this instead of wagging that dirty little finger, let’s go.

Tommy Maddox

January 11th, 2011
6:24 pm

“The shooter is white; Sarah Palin is white!! See!! There is a connection!!”

Truly, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
6:25 pm

The person who Florida U.S. Rep. Allen West first hired as chief of staff told people attending a Tea Party rally that, ‘We will use bullets if ballots don’t work.’

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:26 pm

Keep Up

At what do it get in return? A condescending pile of crap from a complete creepy little coward.

Well you are in good company. Not a liberal here has the balls to stop preaching and actually discuss the actual issue.

You little twits make this much too easy.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:28 pm

Keep Up

Obama called Republicans the enemy. What’s your point?

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:30 pm

Keep Up

So for everything you post that a republican said, I can post things at least as bad that a democrat said.

Are you smart enough to understand what I am saying?

gm

January 11th, 2011
6:33 pm

Nothing Is Free

Yea right, liberal are really going around trashing, Government, saying idiots things like taking back there country, you and the conservative party and the tea fakes are breed these kind of people.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:33 pm

Keep Up

Paul Krugman said to hang Lieberman in effigy. Are you getting it?

Can you understand that while the current political climate might just have actually had something to do with the shooter’s state of mind, nothing that is now known about him connects him more with republicans than Democrats. In fact, what is now known connects him more with democrats than republicans.

Tim

January 11th, 2011
6:34 pm

Ms. Tucker. You along with your liberal/progressive colleagues are completely out of your mind. You know as well as I do that neither Sarah Palin or any other conservative actually advocates the shooting of another person even over political differences.You and those on the left are using this awful situation to promote your own selfish political agenda. It is nothing less than political opportunism and you know it. You advocate taking away freedoms form anyone who doesn’t agree with you. People like you and Chris Matthews and those at MSNBC are who are the real danger to our nation. And by the way. The shooter is a liberal according to those who know him. Barrack Obama has been a reader of Karl Marx just like the shooter. But I don’t blame him for this.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
6:35 pm

Nonsense is Free….again, go back and look at my prior posts. Asked and answered, child.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:36 pm

gm

So the tea party caused this person to do this, even though the tea party didn’t exist when he had his first confrontation with the Congressperson.

I don’t need another sermon. Address my point, if you can.

TnGelding

January 11th, 2011
6:37 pm

Palin isn’t the only guilty party, and it probably played no role in this tragedy.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:37 pm

Keep Up

I’m not looking at anything.
.
if you want to say something to me, have the balls to say it to me. Give it a try. Who knows, you might like being an adult.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:39 pm

liberals

Do you understand that you are claiming that someone was complicit in a mass murder? And you are doing it with no evidence at all?

You see how gutless Keep Up is. (Say it ain’t so)

Anybody else?

Joe

January 11th, 2011
6:42 pm

Palin isn’t the only guilty party??? Palin isn’t guilty in the least bit. This is a left wing nut job who probably watched MessNBC every night…..

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
6:44 pm

Drama Queen for Free….now child, your continued pathetic demands for attention are silly. If you dont want to read what has been posted previously, if you demand that posters address your childish dares, lies, if you continue your little boy feet stomping and if you have to continue your school yard bully tactics of claiming that you have any manhood, you can expect that adults ignore you. This is your teachable moment. You may want to learn, but I doubt you will.

Concerned

January 11th, 2011
6:44 pm

WOW, I would have thought you would of supported this amendment….CT u r still a racist

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:50 pm

Keep Up

Keep tap dancing, gutless twit.

No one considers “Look at my other posts” to be any sort of intelligent answer.

You can’t defend your positions, as usual. Now run along twit. I’m not into watching gutless, ill-educated, boys tap dancing.

When you grow a set, let me know.

Until then, concentrate on trying to talk down to p;eople much smarter than you. So far, that’s working really well. LOL!

And BTW, I don’t come on here as other posters to attack you Why would I need to do that? You are a waste of time under one name.

I, unlike you, have a life and am limited to how long I can post here.

You can’t control your emotions long enough to carry on a conversation with anyone, so deal with how other people feel about you.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
6:51 pm

Go to verum serum dot com and look at the democrats “bullseye” map from 2004? What’s the big difference between it and the Palin map?

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:52 pm

Have a good night, oh gutless ones.

What a bunch of creepy little nothings.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
6:53 pm

The Leg Lamp is a “major award” much like CT’s Pulitzer and Obama’s Nobel.

Don’t hold your breath for an answer. The girls just want to preach.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
6:54 pm

As I anticipated, you will never learn.

No one considers “Look at my other posts” to be any sort of intelligent answer

So now you suffer from delusions that you speak for everyone?

As for emotions, I think some of the other posters have already confirmed your hysterics are over the top.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
6:54 pm

Our POTUS’s calming words are very appropriate in times such as these:

OBAMA FLASHBACK: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’…

ND

January 11th, 2011
6:55 pm

I’m not going to read through nine pages of comments to see if anyone has mentioned this yet, but the purported Facebook page of Loughner in which he supposedly claimed to idolize past Communist leaders as well as President Obama — referred to in the first couple of posts on this blog — was a fake.

B

January 11th, 2011
6:58 pm

A+A – just lovin’ the libs

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
6:58 pm

ND, sickening that people would stoop to creating false webpages (and I dont care what their politics are).

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
6:58 pm

Another example of the dangers of “right wing vitriol”….

MSNBC Matthews Cites Radio Stars Mark Levin, Michael Savage As Reason For AZ Shooting…

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
7:01 pm

Leg Lamp…I happen to be listening and that is a lie. Shame on you.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
7:04 pm

CT’s appearance on Mathews is well done.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:04 pm

Keep up the good fight!

Why the hysteria? Just go to clearpolitics dot com and watch what matthews said.

Minister James

January 11th, 2011
7:05 pm

Shallow, hateful Palin actually thought that she was widely loved and admired. The truth is that most people can’t stand her. Not just so called liberal Democrats but most Americans period. As Barbara Bush so blithely put it; we wish she’d stayed in Alaska. She has been a pawn for people who actually consider her low-class. She’s on par with Pig Limbaugh. In life we all reap what we sow. Palin has just had a backlash of what she has put out there. Pig Limbaugh probably has cancer. That’s what he sows. Cancerous hate and devision. You people who follow these clowns are in more of a minority than you think. The whole world is watching you and waiting to see you suffer the consequences of your hateful direction.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:06 pm

By the way, am I the only one who thinks the creepy mugshot of the bald and smiling shooter reminds them of Uncle Fester of the Addams Family?

Jim

January 11th, 2011
7:06 pm

How do you reload surveyors equiptment? Crosshairs on a scope of a rifle/reload! Annie Oakley she is not. Poor Sarah she is the victim again.

Civil liberites was a liberal thing.

January 11th, 2011
7:06 pm

Retired early, the members of congress told Bush to invade Iraq,
C.T. done a good job on this one, it stired all the flys up around the milk churn this time. Somebody will spill the milk in a little while so everybody can cry over it.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:07 pm

Rev James. Please read your own post. Speaking of hate……

demsundance

January 11th, 2011
7:09 pm

No law shoudl be passed and free speech shoudl be preserved. but free speech doesn’t protect you from consequences. she might not have a legal responsibilty but more likely a moral responsibilty especially if they find this sociopath saw her facebook page.

that will be the reason why her approval ratings will fall and her negatives will skyrocket. 43 % people strongly dislike her, 29 percent strongly like her, and the others in between. interestingly only 4% of people are undecided about her which is not a good thing….

Get Real

January 11th, 2011
7:10 pm

Geez….I leave for several hours and the liberal diarrhea is still spewing from every orifice. Come on guys and gals take some Kaopectate or something. Every “reasonably” intelligent person knows that to the point there is absolutely ZERO, NADA, ZILCH evidence connecting this psycho to ANY political speech and/or rhetoric that has been surrounding us for some time now.

As far as we know he may have been set off by watching the Wizard of Oz or reading a recipe on the back of a Betty Crocker cake mix….

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
7:10 pm

Leggie…now why go to a website when I have it on MSNBC now.

Mathews also said Palin’s surveyor claim is idiotic.

Stein

January 11th, 2011
7:12 pm

This article has a number of misleading if not down right false statements in it. Palin is in no way at fault for the terrible tragedy that took place in Arizona. As for the @$$hat ctucker that said “In the wake of the weekend atrocity, all you can think of is to try to make Loughner a liberal? That’s where your head is? That’s pathetic” Is that not what the MSM tried to do and still is trying to do? Paint him as a conservative wingnut? When in reality the only quote on the matter from someone who actually knew him said he was a radical left winger. I’m watching MSNBC right now, and the past couple of hours of coverage on the network have been highly critical of rightwing commentators for doing exactly what they are doing in criticizing. Is it Fox that has that segment called “Psycho Talk”??? What about “Worst person in the world”? Is that one coming from the right??? Was it Chris Matthews or Glenn Beck who suggested it was only a matter of time before a CO2 cartridge was shoved in the neck of someone who he repeatedly disagrees with???? I could go on and on about the hypocrisy here, I think you get the point.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:13 pm

Hey libs, were you equally quick to pass judgement and spew your hate and disgust for Muslims after the Ft Hood shooter killed 12 people?

Gary Rockk

January 11th, 2011
7:13 pm

Cynthia is to ugly to be on TV.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
7:13 pm

Get Real…now lets be honest. There are attempts by crazies on both sides to try to pin this on the other. Whether those posters are real or fake does not matter. We can all admit that there is vitriol language that is over the top. And bring the discussion back to the acceptable levels.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:14 pm

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
7:10 pm

If you claimed that I lied and that Matthews didn’t say it then yes, you need to go to the website I listed.

Stein

January 11th, 2011
7:14 pm

Is it Fox that has that segment called “Psycho Talk”??? What about “Worst person in the world”? Is that one coming from the right??? Was it Chris Matthews or Glenn Beck who suggested it was only a matter of time before a CO2 cartridge was shoved in the neck of someone who he repeatedly disagrees with???? I could go on and on about the hypocrisy here, I think you get the point.

John Nail

January 11th, 2011
7:17 pm

Cynthia I agree with you completely but Palin STILL has the map and post on her Facebook page even after cleansing the website on Saturday AM. Clueless?? Irresponsible? Pick a name…

...

January 11th, 2011
7:17 pm

Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”
“I know not,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:18 pm

Gary Rockk
January 11th, 2011
7:13 pm

Wouldn’t the nice thing to say was she has the perfect face for radio?

ck hall

January 11th, 2011
7:18 pm

You really can’t stand her can you? You LIbs kill me with your garbage!

lynn

January 11th, 2011
7:19 pm

If no one believes how Sara Palin entices violence just review the show that she did on TLC (the one where she was shooting the shotgun with her daughter) and listen to her say to her daughter “who are you thinking of when you shoot the gun” boy she sure speeks alot about violence and hurting people! She is very much enticing people!

Get Real

January 11th, 2011
7:21 pm

Keep…perhaps I am not objective, yes there is enough vitriol to go around to last several lifetimes but it came from the LEFT right out of the gate almost immediately upon the reporting of the Tucson tragedy.

I acknowledge that two wrongs to do make a right but you have got to admit that several on the LEFT, especially my favorite Paul Krugman and the NYT, were salivating at the opportunity to attack the right….

John Nail

January 11th, 2011
7:22 pm

FYI – On Saturday AM at 11 if you Google “Palin crosshairs” you got 490,000 pages. 5 minutes ago it was 15,700,000 pages. The echo chamber of the web will forever enshrine her mistake of using this as well as her Facebook page which STILL has her map and post up.

OldTimer

January 11th, 2011
7:22 pm

On the surface, it seems that the young man was reacting to his parents abuse of alcohol. Clearly he had an over reaction. There has to be a way to identify such people and prevent them from damaging others.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:24 pm

BILL CLINTON: ‘WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THINGS WE SAY’…

Sort of like, “I did not have sexual relations what that woman, Miss Lewinski”……

kevinbgoode

January 11th, 2011
7:24 pm

Rich sez: “The DCCC, itself, used the tactics of a map with targets over congressional districts. In fact, DailyKos used the tactic of the map with targets with this Congresswoman’s name on the map!”
——————————————————————-
I’m sorry you were so easily manipulated, Rich. The DCCC map had archery targets on them. And your Daily Kos reference was a rather cleverly photoshopped manipulation of an original post which didn’t contain the congresswoman’s name or targets. The manipulation was purposely done in hopes that lots of unknowing right wing followers would repeat the claim until someone believed them.
Perhaps the bigger question that should be raised in identifying such manipulation is why does anyone need to do it – especially over this incident?

Steveo

January 11th, 2011
7:25 pm

Thank you Cynthia for being a voice of unusual reason. Funny to hear you call anyone “clueless” though…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:26 pm

John Nail
January 11th, 2011
7:22 pm

I just googled “John Nail” and it shows 27,600,000 hits. Your point?

dawg

January 11th, 2011
7:26 pm

CT–How wonderful, now you’re a psychic that can read Sarah Palin’s mind. Suggestion–why don’t you make a list of all things that you and your far left brethern would like to see made illegal and while you’re at it why not read the CONSTITUTION for the FIRST TIME….??

Get Real

January 11th, 2011
7:26 pm

Gosh Lynn….what was your opinion when Joe Manchin of WV was shooting a hole through the Cap and Tax bill in a campaign ad…did you have a problem with that or it was OK because he is a democrat???

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:27 pm

kevinbgoode
January 11th, 2011
7:24 pm

Would you prefer this:

OBAMA FLASHBACK: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’…

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
7:29 pm

Real….I disagree with your statement of facts but it is of no real matter to the outcome. You can see my post this morning about Joh Stewart. The simple fact is that words have meaning and political leaders should be responsible. There are nuances in language and there are complete non-equivalence claims. It is absurd that the claim of a cliche “bring a gun to a knife fight” is compared to repeated references to guns, reload. Candidates who talked about second amendment remedies or who say if we’ll use bullets if ballots odnt work. People attending political rallies with guns, people having politicial rallies at gun shops where targets are shot and some included the names/initials of elected officials on those targets, Ms. Palin clearly failed the test of responsible discussion.

The vitroil needs to stop.

Jim A

January 11th, 2011
7:30 pm

Everyone can say what they want, but Sarah Palin’s political career is now over.

Get Real

January 11th, 2011
7:31 pm

Keep…we will agree to disagree

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:31 pm

Keep up the good fight!
January 11th, 2011
7:29 pm

“Ms. Palin clearly failed the test of responsible discussion.”

As did our POTUS

“OBAMA FLASHBACK: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’…”

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:33 pm

Jim A

January 11th, 2011
7:30 pm

I believe we established that back in 2008.

STW

January 11th, 2011
7:34 pm

Minister James–I would love to come to your church and hear you preach one day. With the vitreol that spews from your mouth the congregants (probably less than a dozen) probably have a group picture at the post office..What a sick individual you are…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:36 pm

STW
January 11th, 2011
7:34 pm

Minister james = Jeremiah Wright

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
7:36 pm

Leggie…I commented on that this morning, you are welcome to read it. It is of course a false equivalence.

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
7:37 pm

You folks need to remember that Ms Tucker is 55, and even now is fairly darn good looking. If you have watched the Alaska show, you must concur that Sarah Palin is a genuine red neck, which explains the things she does, and her clipped, platitude filled commentary. However, she is a babe, which I believe led McCain to make his last mistake on his last run for the Presidency. Any sane Presidential candidate who spoke to her for say, 5 hours consecutive, would know she is NOT qualified.

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
7:38 pm

Minister James is a hate purveyor. Sad anal sphinctor of a guy.

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
7:41 pm

keep – you know the emotional language sells, and that there are two very deeply divided groups of American – with a gigantic chasm between them regarding how the government is operated & for what purpose. Neither aligns with my philosophy – but, I would prefer to lean toward repubs IF THEY CAN BALANCE THE BUDGET, as opposed to the Dems who have not desire to balance the budget. The preception of responsible discussion is in the eye of the beholder, and thus capricious & arbitrary. The better standard is: NO VIOLENCE.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:43 pm

Paddy O
January 11th, 2011
7:37 pm

And most Americans agreed back in 2008. So your point?

Educated, not deaf, independent

January 11th, 2011
7:44 pm

quod erat demonstrandum,
Every day, at some point, I listen to Boortz, Hannity, and Limbaugh. I am appalled at least once per day by the condescending and often vitriolic spun dreck that one or all of them put on the air. I think that they immediately went on the defensive (except Boortz who did a rerun of his program) yesterday because they know in their consciences that part of what is said about them being a negative influence on the general public is true. While I want to be educated on both sides of the arguments, these programs have become too much and I will not be listening anymore. I don’t need anyone to tell me these pundits don’t like me. They are too in love with themselves and their own opinions to care about me.

As far as Palin and her symbolism, it was decidedly stupid, but I don’t believe she intended someone to go out and shoot another politician. Now she should say that.

I

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
7:46 pm

Paddy..you are entitled to your opinion.

Leggie, just listened the Mathews clip again. Mathews said the 3 radio talking head mentioned are furious and participate in ugly talk. Perhaps you need to review the clip on MSNBC to be sure you are getting accurate information and not some edited clip put up by some wingnut.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:46 pm

Educated, not deaf, independent
January 11th, 2011
7:44 pm

“but I don’t believe she intended someone to go out and shoot another politician. ”

Wow, and you came up with that all by yourself? Amazing…….

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:48 pm

Keep up the good fight!
January 11th, 2011
7:46 pm

“edited clip”? How did you decide it was edited?

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
7:55 pm

Leggie…again I have listened to it 2x so far on MSNBC as it aired. I posted his words. Not sure what you have since there is no link only a reference and nothing on page 1 of that website.

Look

January 11th, 2011
7:56 pm

There may be no direct connection but the crosshairs are completely unacceptable, and possibly implicate Sarah indirectly. I believe the crosshair images constitute a threat to public officials, which I believe is illegal, though I’m no lawyer. If I put Barack on my web site with crosshairs on him wouldn’t I be thrown in jail just for the imagery?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
7:57 pm

Keep up the good fight!
January 11th, 2011
7:55 pm

If you watched it that many times did you get a thrill up your leg?

unklbud

January 11th, 2011
7:59 pm

why dont you all just get your head out of your asses and feel sorry for the people who got shot and give a crap on what party done it cause the mean thing is they know and have who pulled the trigger

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
8:03 pm

Keep on Tap dancing, you gutless ass

Do you ever stop blogging?

All day blogging your idiotic accusations and you still don’t have the balls to debate me.

Get a life, loser.

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
8:04 pm

My point is: Please don’t pretend she actually represent the repub party, nor that she is a bonafide Presidential candidate. She is playing up her extended 15 minutes to make as much $$$ as possible, which is about as All American as you can get.

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
8:09 pm

Look – you can not be that pathetic, are you? You are correct – it is a violation of the Constitution to threaten the President – usually you get a Secret Service visit. /// But, the cross hairs would stimulate someone to shoot another? And then, in your nanny state consciousness “Americans are just so easy to persuade/manipulate”, the individual who put the cross hairs up there has some responsibility? Utterly wrong.

Paddy O

January 11th, 2011
8:10 pm

“possibly implicate” – what kind of passive / aggressive manure talk is that?

unklbud

January 11th, 2011
8:16 pm

when you debate whith someone “nothing is free” you talk about it not try to start a fight but i can tell your some up tight 50-60 year old that thinks he knows everything about the govt.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

January 11th, 2011
8:26 pm

One final post:

“OBAMA FLASHBACK: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’… “

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
8:32 pm

unklbud

Is English your first language?

I cannot for the life of me think of why I should give a damn about what you think.

You can barely construct an understandable sentence. If you aren’t smart enough to construct a simple English sentence, you certainly aren’t smart enough to form an informed opinion of me.

Tim

January 11th, 2011
8:42 pm

Here’s my problem with liberal/progressives. Your answer to everything always is to take away the freedom and liberty of those with whom you disagree. Even if it means politicizing and demonizing your opponents in a situation that had nothing to do with them. You go on these non sense search and destroy missions. But in the long run you only hurt yourselves because in taking away the freedoms of those whom you hate. You lose your own freedom and give power to those above you who care nothing about you other than using you for their own political end game.

miss liberty

January 11th, 2011
8:44 pm

Charge the wench from wasilla with accessory to murder and treason against the Country.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
8:50 pm

miss liberty

Yet another hysterical liberal.

You guys are getting more and more spooky.

Thank God for prescription drugs. Without them, it;’s hard to know how many liberals would be shooting people.

Furman Bitcher

January 11th, 2011
8:59 pm

Whyn do we now have to tone things down??? Sure didnt need to do it before you got your arse kicked in the elections. My hunch is after Obuma is kicked out in 2012 that the left will ratchet up all the hate needed just like when W was in office. Hipocrites.

Educated, not deaf, independent

January 11th, 2011
9:04 pm

Yep, I did. Now Mrs. Palin should repeat it. Simple concept, I know, but at times like these simple seems out of her intellectual reach. However, if we make it a talking point for her it might work. Or we could just write it on her hand and push her in front of a podium. Goodnight, all. Happy debating or whatever this is.

Wilma

January 11th, 2011
9:07 pm

Bernie Sanders, liberal Senator from Vermont writes “In light of all of this violence – both actual and threatened – is Arizona a state in which people who are not Republicans are able to participate freely and fully in the democratic process?”
I might ask, in light of his letter, is there any depth to which Mr. Sanders will not stoop, lying, distorting, surpressing, slandering, prevaricating, in the single minded pursuit of money for his campaign and partisan advantage? Sanders is practicing dirtball politics and has for along time.
He is in good company. It seems the entire progressive movement decided, en mass, to exploit a sensless murder to surpress talk radio.

Crenshaw8

January 11th, 2011
9:10 pm

C. Tucker waits three days to give us her opinion? Delay of game penalty. Your offensive players ran the ball without you. How convenient for you. You liberals are like a bunch of hyenas who circle, froth at the mouth, dart and dodge, fighting for the meat that is left on the bones. Lowly scavengers.

Pathetic.

Phyllis

January 11th, 2011
9:25 pm

Thanks John and fultonresident, you’ve got it right.

Robert

January 11th, 2011
9:27 pm

It’s kind of funny when the clueless call Sarah Palin clueless. I don’t support Palin, but her name should never been associated with this incident in the first place. This is the libtards in overdrive.

mark in mid-town

January 11th, 2011
9:37 pm

Has anyone pointed out that 3 of the 20 districts Palin’s map targeted with cross-hairs were for states in which the Democratic office holder was retiring? It’s pretty obvious Palin wasn’t trying to threaten any individual people. In hindsight, it would have been better not to use cross-hairs, but targeting symbols and war analogies have been the normal lexicon in politics going back a long time. Regardless of how much anyone might despise Palin, one would have to admit that the venom she has been subject to from those on the left has been exponentially more than anything Palin has actually engaged in. It’s sick the way so many on the left have exploited this tragedy because of their inability to ever see beyond politics. The biggest fool and hypocrite among msm columnists is undoubtedly Paul Krugman. This is the man who told progressives to go burn Joe Lieberman in effigy. Krugman, without any shame whatsoever and without any evidence whatsoever, is attacking the right over its political rhetoric which he was willing to bet was behind the shooting of Giffords. One can only shake their head in disbelief that Krugman would so willingly make such a fool of himself.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
9:43 pm

Drama Queen iis Free… ahhh…did the child get his feelings hurt because he chose to make demands to remain ignorant rather than first become informed. But I will say that your response to another poster gives a pretty good summary of my attitude towards a child like you

I cannot for the life of me think of why I should give a damn about what you think

I do think your huggies may need changing, child.

Keep up the good fight!

January 11th, 2011
9:44 pm

tick, tick, tick

Phyllis

January 11th, 2011
9:49 pm

Hey gun goon, I defended your rights and the constitution by serving in the USMC. but I don’t have to have or use a gun to defend our rights in this country, that’s what the ballot box is for in a civil and humane nation.

itpdude

January 11th, 2011
10:06 pm

Nicely said, Tucker. I can’t stand Palin or the TP but this knee-jerk reaction of limiting speech seems out-of-step with liberals. Aren’t we suppose to SUPPORT free-speech?

If anything, this should make Dems point at the GOP for the state of mental health in the US. When the GOP closed the mental wards, they caused the homeless problem in the US. The HUGE factor to homelessness is mental illness.

But the GOP, by cutting mental health, also allowed lunatics like this AZ man to be out there totally untended by mental health professionals.

The issue shouldn’t be whether we should limit free-speech. The issue should be whether we should be doing a better job with regards to caring for those who have mental illnesses. Sadly, for this AZ man, his life is now ruined when it could have been saved with adequate mental health treatment. But that’s “big government” according the the GOP.

Avenger

January 11th, 2011
10:11 pm

nothing. It doesn’t matter which direction it comes from,vitriol over the top speech is counter productive. Sure each side will try to spin it to their advantage. The double talkers that were calling Bush stupid showed their own stupidty. The man was a Harvard graduate who flew a jet fighter. The people (especially pimp dady Rush) who call Obama stupid showed their stupidity. The man is a Harvard graduate. Of course, pimp dady Rush called Obama several other vile names, but pimps do all kinds of vulgar things to make money. I wouldn’t say positively that there is a direct link between this vitriol and a lunatic’s actions, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Pimp dady Rush brags about his millions of listeners and a lot of them hang on his every word. He can’t have it both ways. If he influences normal smart people, why wouldn’t his double talking influence lunatics.

Avenger

January 11th, 2011
10:21 pm

dawg. To make the constitution mean any thing, you have to do more than read it. You have to make your country live up to the words. Words don’t mean nothing unless they are acted upon. There have been times that the very words of the constitution that some people like to hide behind didn’ mean anything.

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
11:01 pm

Keep on Tap dancing

LOL!! Sorry twit. How many times now have you ran away when confronted?

Still claiming to be a lawyer, twit?

You are the poster child for a liberal. You whine and cry and lie about what you do. You obviously have no means of support and it’s obvious that you aren’t smart enough to make a living so i was right all along: you are a kid, still living at home, a complete loser who has never had a date.

Your attempts at insults are pathetic and these paranoid delusions that have me hiding behind every rock show that you are in dire need of some deep psychological treatments.

So tell me, did they go straight from Ritalin to Prozac with you?

hsn

January 11th, 2011
11:03 pm

Dear Cynthia,

Please correct your first sentence:”…neither she or her supporters…” SHOULD BE “….neither she NOR her supporters…..

Thanks!
hsn

Nothing Is Free

January 11th, 2011
11:22 pm

Avenger

Take a close look at this guy. A pot head that reads Marx and Hitler, a communist and a Socialist. I would be surprised if he has ever heard Palin or Rush. You nor anyone else has proof that he has.

The guys that shot up Columbine were into video games and were found to have actually perfected their attack technique with video games. Violence in music, video, movies, games, all much more likely to have influenced a 20 year old than any conservative pundit or politician.

Liberals have tried this crap for every single attack that has happened, including the guy that flew the plane into the IRS building and the Ft Hood shooter, but the IRS guy was a liberal and the Ft hood guy was a radical Muslim. It keeps blowing up in your face.

I’ve been associated with politics my entire life and i have heard the term “target” areas from both my Democratic County Commissioner Brother-in-law and the Republicans I have worked with. It’s a common term in politics. But a stupid map on a facebook page turned this guy into a mass killer? Bullsh!t. And you know that it’s Bullsh!t.

It just doesn’t fit. He is not even close to the demographic.

But one thing is for certain, the fact that there was no police at that meeting was the reason for the carnage. I covered many town hall meetings over the past few years and there are ALWAYS cops in attendance.

The Sheriff knows that if he doesn’t switch the focus away from him, he will be in deep crap.

I appreciate you having the balls to discuss this and not turning it into yet another hysterical liberal lecture.

This constant effort to take away our free speech and control of the media smells. Remember, democrats are losing power. In a few years, it will once again be liberals screaming against the government. Are you ready for that to be controlled?

I don’t think any of us do and these lemmings that follow the mantra of the people who want to control our free speech are creepy and scary. This blog is a perfect example of how emotions and hysterics work to hurt us all.

Auburn Fan

January 11th, 2011
11:53 pm

Way to go Cynthia! Great article and well thought out.

Get Real

January 12th, 2011
12:01 am

TBM

January 12th, 2011
12:37 am

It’s interesting watching the liberals start backtracking on their words (not directed at Ms. Tucker) on this tragedy. Out of the gate since the so-called Tea Party movement gained traction with main stream America, many liberal Dems have been waiting for some right wing nut to go off and use that as a catalyst to shut down the voice of their opposition.

Sadly, a psychopath with a serious mental problem was allowed to roam free when even since high school the warning flags were up. Yes, and even that Democrat sheriff who attempted to blame this act of evil on Rush knew who this perpetrator of violence was long before his act of deranged act of terror (that’s what it was and nothing less).

We listened to what was unquestionably the worst hate-filled rhetoric by the left on George W. Bush (and Cheney) for eight solid years. Nobody ever said anything then.

So where is America now? What is going to come out of this? Are political blogs – like the left wing Daily Kos which incited said hatred against Bush & Cheney – going to be also included in the shutting down of political rhetoric?

Both the left and the right need to tread carefully on the ramifications that will come after this tragedy. We can talk about gun control – and how someone like this sick individual was able to be free, let alone buy a gun legally – later. Currently the issue is political discourse in this nation. At what point do we tell others they can’t speak out against elected officials and their policies? At what price? Think about it.

For now, there is no doubt that the way we get to meet and greet our elected officials will be changed forever.

Tommy Maddox

January 12th, 2011
12:44 am

Unhinged; unglued; the American Left.

Y’all keep trying.

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)

January 12th, 2011
1:14 am

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joeliberal

January 12th, 2011
4:35 am

well SARAH “crosshairs”

joeliberal

January 12th, 2011
4:36 am

WELL SARAH CROSSHAIRS PALIN wont be president in 2012….lolo

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

January 12th, 2011
4:37 am

In 1994, Congress outlawed certain assault-type weapons, as well as high-capacity magazines of the sort that Loughner allegedly used. But the ban expired in 2004, and, given the political power of the gun lobby, few politicians have dared propose anything like it since. While a couple of Democrats are reportedly considering pushing for a new ban on high-capacity magazines, they’re unlikely to find much enthusiasm for it among their peers. -CTucker

Pssst, someone might want to tell Queen Pinko that Congress banned murder back in, oh, I don’t know, 1787?

Some good that did, eh?

Buck

January 12th, 2011
7:50 am

I hate to be the one to interject facts here but Sheriff Dupnik was aware that the shooter had been making death threats to radio personalities and Pima County Community College personnel. Dupnik and deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. . . .

But sure keep trying to put blame on rhetoric and not a failure of a sheriff.

Patriot76

January 12th, 2011
12:04 pm

I pray that it was not a significant factor in this nutjobs actions but Palin’s non-apology for her gunsight filled map and other gun referencing (reload?) inflammatory rhetoric is appalling. Note that she was not the only republican calling for “second amendment” actions to influence government. I can hardly imagine the responses if a republican lawmaker had been gunned down and a prominent democrat politician had used similar language in their discourse. Nothing short of jail time and a public apology would have been tolerated. I have checked and there is not a single similar statement by any prominent liberal politician. Right wingers have a capacity for hypocracy that is amazing. If you are patriotic then demand that your politicians stop pandering to the lowest instincts. Make them accountable to you not their fat cat supporters. Join us in the hard work of making this the great country that we have the capacity to be.

News

January 12th, 2011
12:24 pm

Said Palin:

”Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own. They begin and end with the criminals who commit them. Not collectively, with all the citizens of a state. Not with those who listen to talk radio. Not with maps of swing districts used by both sides of the aisle….”

We rate our movies and games in fear of their influence on the general public to think that Vice Presidential Candidate Palin has no influence is absurd. If Obama placed a map to Palins neighborhood with a cross-hair ummmm survey sites I doubt very much she would like it and I very much think a crazed political junkie might take action.

Tommy

January 12th, 2011
12:35 pm

We do not need new laws in this country to limit guns or speech. Palin had every right to use the imagetry and words she used. But, as was pointed out by the right wing a few months ago with the Muslim Community Center in New York, Just because you have the “Right” to do something should you? If a public person chooses to use violent terms such as reload, and use crosshairs to show where they want to take people out, so be it. That is our right as as an American. But then it’s also our right as American to be able to critisize that person for doing so and question them about it.
Did Palin cause this tradgeity to happen? NO. But it does pose a question as to what if she had? What if they found Palin books speaches and so on at the suspects home and on his computer? There are some things public people just should not do even though they have right to do them. Palin got lucky this time, Next time she may not as lucky. Think before you act.

Mr. Right

January 12th, 2011
12:37 pm

As much fun as it is to call out the clueless Sarah Palin for her long list of gaffes, lies and inflammatory nonsense,

What a inflammatory way to stat out!! CT, you are pathetic!!

Mr. Right

January 12th, 2011
12:39 pm

oops -start out