What’s the GOP plan for illegal immigrants?

They can make rules such as fining landlords that rent to illegals. Of coarse that will be overturned by a judge.

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Let’s get the idiotic statement out of the way: “What part of illegal don’t you understand?”

Oh, btw, liberals, progressives and Dems fully understand what “illegal” means and what realities are. But let’s hear about that “dang fence” and other wasted money that means more government spending without realistic results.

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What’s the matter Pea…the “principles” of the Republicans and the extreme Christians are so weak that they cannot attract new minds and bodies that can judge them for what they are?

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as the GOP has been trying to do for years, make the INS (or whatever its called these days) more transparent and more efficient, but that funding has been continually cut off. As the son of an immigrant, I do not think that people should be rewarded for beating the system by being placed in line ahead of those trying to do the right thing and go through the system. and I do not let the GOP off, because they have continually blocked efforts to fine businesses that hire illegals (along with the dems, but that is no excuse).

this country will fail if we dont have a constant influx of hard working immigrants, but we must stand up for our laws.

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and that fence, while it needs to be there, should be our last line of defense.

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Hundreds of billions? Is that another CBO estimate?

If there are 11 million, or so, illegals here (and that estimate is probably low-balled by quite a bit), and the DREAM Act would affect 800,000 or so, what was the Democrats plan for the other 10+ million? Or was this going to be the anchor baby concept in reverse?

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Bob, yep, that pesky old Constitution in the way? Are you suggesting that it be ignored?

Enforce the laws on employment and go after the employers. There are other lawful ways states and towns can target landlords and employers.

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Well then ajcs the right wing should not be afraid to let their ideas compete in the market place of ideas and we can stop hearing about how this group or that will be “dems”, “liberals” or some other label to be feared.

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Its a tired worn out story. We have laws, you either follow them or you don’t. You and your ilk may not like them Tucker but they are there none the less. Why should our country change the rules for those who cross our borders? Sour the milk that they feed off of and they will go home. And of course there would never be any issues with the 2 years of college. I mean there is just no way that any of the fine teachers out in the midwest would say just push these guys through just so they could become a citizen………..right?

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here is the mind of the far left- if you are white you are somehow responsible for the actions for some random great great uncle and owe reparations- if you are the child of an illegal you should receive a pass… hmmmm

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I have some sympathy for the children in these cases, I truly do. But not for people like Jessica Colotl. She knew she was here illegally, and even though she did not knowingly committ the crime in coming here, she continued to behave in an illegal manner afterwards. That makes her just as guilty. The crime isn’t lessened because she didn’t know it was a crime when she was three. How many three year olds understand immigration law? But when you’re around 20 years old (give or a take a couple years) you know your legal status in the country. But according to past articles by CT and those like her, Colotl should be respected and wished the best because she was trying to be a better person. All the same, she was here illegally. That fact will not go away.

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What’s with the GOP and children?

We had to drag them kicking and screaming to SCHIP, they just obstructed a child marriage bill in the congress AND now they
stand in the way of the good thing that is the DREAM Act.

Family Values? Oh hell no, they ain’t got no family values!

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“Pea, whether its 2 or 4 years can be negotiated. The concept is still viable.” – Make it 4 years and I MIGHT be on board.

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One small step here….at least you called them illegal immigrants.

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I haven’t’ read it, but I would imagine that the Dream Act has a lot more ‘detail’ than what has been reported by the MSM and announced by the Democrats in general. Maybe, just maybe, those damn kid hating GOP’ers actually read the bill and didn’t like some of the details.

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KUTGF- not fighting words- observation from one who either laughs or detests the thought processes of the far left and far right which is they make the decisions, are not held accountable (ever), other folks must pay for their imperial decisions, and have the ability to come audit whoever they want, whenever they want. Chicken coops are missile silos and illegal acts are not illegal acts. very much the same.

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Keep Up @ 8:23 – So you’re saying if a child is in a perpetual criminal situation, and when they come to the understanding that they are in that situation, they should be given free reign to continue in that behavior?

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The plan: make it illegal to hire them, make it illegal to rent to them, don’t provide free medical care. Make it impossible for them to live here so that they will leave on their own.

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Thank you Granny. Sometimes we can have reasoned discussion here. Of course, we get those wonderful people like Gm who spout off about the GOP being the ‘party of satan’ and that does not engender reasoned discussion.

If we don’t get to type to each toher again, Granny, I hope you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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Go CT! Everybody knows the “R”s only plan when it means money in their pocket. Only Obama has a true plan and will give immigrants what that need. Vote Obama in 2012!

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The problem with you Dems and Liberals is that you want all these programs passed, without any implementing programs… If it sounds like a good idea do it….. right
Just like the repeal of DADT. The President will soon sign that into law, okay. Now the services will have to figure out how to implement the law.. A few questions come to mind:
1. Will people that are tested positive for HIV be allowed into combat? If not is that not discriminatory…
2. If they are allowed into combat and they are wounded, will the medics or their fellow soldiers have face masks, rubber gloves and other protection necessary to reduce blood splatter?
3. If they contract HIV while on active duty, is that a service connected disability that we will pay for the rest of their lives?

A law was passed to protect the rights of gays and lesbians, what about the proctetion of the straight people in combat? And if you read the survey in detail, combat troops worried about this while the non-combat people did not have any real objection?

How many of you have been in the service, let alone combat? In combat, if you are injured, your buddies take care of you and they bandage you, now what? Should they risk their lives? How often will gays be tested for HIV? Or will that be against their constitutional rights?

Getting back to the Dream Act, right now I am looking at the cost? What will it cost us? And why to age 28? Dream Act for those that want to serve 4-6 years in the military… I would vote for it…. They are performing a service to the country and they deserve it. If they can fight and die, then they have proved their worth…..

If you want the Dream Act, the end the amnesty cities, enforce the laws, make them all register in order to be considered? Make them prove they will not be a drain on the tax payer…..

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andygrdzki

FROM TPM

Last night, the CBO released the long-awaited cost estimate of S. 3992, the latest version of the DREAM Act. The CBO found that putting thousands of young, undocumented immigrants on a path to legalization would reduce the deficit by $1.4 billion over ten years:

The increase in authorized workers would affect individual and corporate income taxes, as well as social insurance taxes. On balance, those changes would increase revenues by $2.3 billion over 10 years, according to estimates provided by the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT).

CBO and JCT estimate that enacting the bill would reduce deficits by about $1.4 billion over the 2011-2020 period. That result reflects an increase in on-budget deficits of about $1.4 billion over that period and a decrease in off-budget deficits of about $2.8 billion over the same period. Only the on-budget effects are counted for purposes of enforcing the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010.

AFTER YOU HAVE VERIFIED THIS INFO YOURSELF, can we count on your support?

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Keep up, why not just shut the biz down if they continue to break the law ? Other companies get their license yanked for misdeeds, why not a biz that keeps hiring illegals ? Where in the constitution does it say local gov cannot regulate what companies get a license ?

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To stop the drug trade, we need to stop the demand for drugs in the US. No market, no smuggling and crime.

To stop illegal immigration, stop the demand for illegal workers. No market, no illegals.

To pay for deporting illegal immigrants, we need to change the point of view. Instead of us trying to seal a border the other country wants to remain open, we need to convince them to seal it on thier side.

We’re capitalists, we should be able to find out how to makea buck out of this. How about charging the immigrant’s country the cost of repatriation, taken out of imports? Say, charge Mexico $2,000.00 for every Mexican deported. Very soon, Mexico will invest in putting up fences on their side ofthe border to keep their people from coming over to ours.

Even better, to keep our courts from being clogged with lengthy deportation hearings, we can charge Mexico for the cost of incarcerating the immigrants, leading their embassey to insist they plea bargain and accept deportation to get them out of the court system sooner.

This won’t work with Cubans, North Koreans or some other weird countries, but it would work for most of them.

Make the criminal pay. The US is the victim in this illegal immigration, so we should stop playing the helpless tool, and start becoming in control of the situation.

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illegals suck……………………………………………(period)

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Andygrdzki: So “straight people” don’t have AIDS? Your response above indicates you have no knowledge of the real world; no surprise here! Or should we tatoo their health records on their bodies?

I have never been in the real military, let alone a foxhole. But I wouldn’t question the sex life of a fellow soldier when being shot at during a war!

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Bob…You can shut the business down for a number of reasons. Drafted correctly states and cities can impose certain regulations. Georgia for example denies employers of undocumented workers the ability to deduct the wages and other costs of those workers. If the company is licensed, you could deny a professional license. As often happens, poor legislative drafting at the local and state level is the problem.

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CT fails to mention that the passage of the dream act also allows the families of those who are allowed to stay a path for legal citizenship. Not just immediate family but aunts, uncles, cousins, most anyone connected to them. It isn’t just a path to citizenship for those who are in school, it also has a profound effect on those who committed the crime in the first place…… rewarding illegal behavior just doesn’t cut it, CT. Now lets reward all the others who commit crimes in our society. Why not have a gang get together for all of those unfortunates who rob us blind, assault our women and take advantage of our system. In your manner of speaking there is no illegal behavior, CT. None whatsoever.

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Grief, do tell me how children are currently suppose to “fix” their legal status other than by leaving the country.

DREAM is a start to fix the problem. These are difficult issues on immigration. This is one that is not too difficult. Give the child brought to this country as a child a chance to stay based on their good behavior.

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Of course it’s not practical or even desirable to “round them all up and deport them.” Fences and armed patrols are necessary, but are just one small (but important) piece of the solution. The best approach is to do everything possible to eliminate the incentive for illegal immigrants to come in the first place, or to stay if they are already here. Severely fine those who hire them or provide them residence. Stop providing them with free public education and other taxpayer-provided services. Stop giving them drivers licenses. If they are convicted of crimes, deport them.

There are many, many American citizens who are suffering from a cycle of poverty. How can we help them climb out when illegals enter the country, take so many of the unskilled labor jobs, and suck up the public resources that could be used to help America’s poor?

Once we stop providing incentives for illegal immigrants, most will leave of their own accord. Meanwhile, America’s poor will benefit, with more jobs, better schools, and a healthier economy.

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questions:

What happens if while in the military the child marries another illegal and has a child is the wife/husband/child legal.

If during the 2 years of college the students grades drop during a semester or they decide to change majors (and don’t get a 2 year degree in a specific time frame) do they get deported?

Does a 1-2 year technical school program qualify for this amnesty?

What happens to the parents and siblings during this process, are they allowed to remain in the US and support the student or will the student be forced to support themselves (as many of us have done in the past).

These questions and many more need to be answered before this bill should be passed

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Keep Up @ 9:03 -
I’m not saying I have the answers, because I don’t. I think this is almost a reward for being here illegally, and I jsut can’t support that. I don’t see an economically viable solution for total deportation, as the logistics alone are mind-boggling. But, I’m told Congress is smarter than me, so I’m sure they can come up with something better than a partial-blanket amensty. (Quilt amnesty?)

Anyway, off to work. Have a Merry Christmas everyone. And a Happy New Year. Even you, Keep Up.

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GOP plan – kill them all and let god sort it out

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Simple answer to the question : Enforce the damn laws on the books, equally and fairly.
Problem solved.

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If the plan is something like –

1) Secure the borders.
2) Register all illegal aliens – a new visa – non-resident worker – no path to citizenship, current path sufficient.
3) those that do not register after 1 year – automatic deportation – no appeals

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Quod erat demonstrandum-

Could you please direct me to the part where it allows immediate access for family members. I’m looking at the law now and can’t seem to find it.

Also, how can a 15 yr old get a non resident work visa.

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Peadawg at 8:00 am
“What they NEED to do is to start going after those who hire illegal immigrants and starting fining the hell out of them.”

Pea, I agree in principal with this position, have have for years. But what I have found is that the people who hire illegals are a substantial portion of the donors to the Republican and Democratic parties. There is a reason Bush 43 never lifted a finger to control illegals. The employers of illegals are the big donors to the Party. A Republican president and a Republican controlled Congress are not going to alienate their donors.

I keep repeating that the last time the US did anything on illegals was the Reagan administrations “Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986″ which legalized 2.8 million illegals. I would recommend that we pull out this bill and resubmit it with the updates required after 25 years of sitting on our hands and doing nothing.

But once again the next Congress will simply “kick the can” and allow us to have this conversation again in December 2012.

Cynthia’s question – “What’s the GOP plan for illegal immigrants?” – has a one word answer – “Nothing!”.

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The republicans have no plan on solving problems for working people. They only seek to protect the interest of corporations. The 9/11 responder bill has been blocked by republicans for four years because they claim it must be paid for. The real reason is that it closes loopholes that allow foreign corporations to move profits made in this country offshore without paying one cent in taxes. The Chamber of Commerce has been behind the effort to kill this bill, because many American countries have incorporated overseas and need these loopholes to avoid paying any taxes.

We all know the republicans game. It’s called the “The Two Santa Claus Theory”. Republicans spend like drunken sailors when they are in power by borrowing money to fund social services. They also give huge tax cuts to the wealthy and a small cut to the working class which keep everyone happy. These two giveaways let the republicans be Santa Claus twice. When republicans are in charge, deficits do not matter.

Of course you cannot run an economy and government this way. When it blows up and democrats are put back in charge, the republicans start shouting about the deficit which they created. They demand the democrats address the deficit to prevent any additional spending on social services. When the democrats are forced to address the deficit by raising taxes and cutting social programs, they come off as the bad guys. In 1994, the democrats raised taxes to control the deficit. Of course they were accused of raising taxes and lost control of both houses of congress. Clinton was forced to cut welfare spending. All these measures along with the tech bubble and $10/barrel oil created a booming economy. If you look closely, the script is being played out again with Obama and the democrats. They swallowed it hook line and sinker.

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DREAM Act beneficiaries would only be able to petition for entry of their parents or sibling if they have satisfied all of the requirements under the DREAM Act. Even then, they would be subject to the same annual caps waiting periods in order to petition for their relatives; the bottom line is that it would take many years before parents or siblings who previously entered the country illegally could obtain a green card.

Some people…the above is from White House.

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Nonsense….child do you have anything intelligent to post or are you just here to whine….Frankly your opinions really dont matter. Adults are trying to converse here and your little demands for attention are just childish.

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Keep up the good fight-

Thanks,
I was trying to find it in the bill.
Isn’t that the same language for naturalized citizens

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Keep Up

Remember, being called young only works as an insult if you are a little twit that worries about being too young. To real adults, those insults are compliments.

But you will learn all of this once you graduate from the 6th grade.

How’s your Mom?

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You losers have a great day, whining about the Republicans.

Try not to think about the last election.

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‘The Plan’ as you say would have been for comprehensive legislation, and yes, ever-increasing diligence at the borders, that would deal with all 11 million,or ever how many, of these folks that would provide incentives for them to self-identify and pay more into the education and health systems that they, understandably, rely on.

I mean even your guy Newt has said it’s impossible to round ‘em all up and send ‘em packing…and to just rely on making their lives so utterly miserable that they would leave on their own accord would undoubtedly result in a backlash to the ‘cruel and unusual’ punishment it would entail…then what would you have? Open warfare?

Fact is we were all immigrants at one time and we better be damn glad that those that were here before our ancestors didn’t subscribe to the ‘nativism’ that’s so prevalent now. Of course our ‘Native American’ friends wish to hell they had, and things would be a hellofalot different.

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Oh how I wish people knew the definition of amnesty!

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“You losers have a great day, whining about the Republicans.”

Whining about the Republicans is the reason there is a Tea Party movement. The reason there is a Tea Party movement is the Tea Party whining about Republicans doubling the debt under Bush. The reason the $1.1 trillion spending bill bit the dust is the Tea Party whining to the Republican leadership about earmarks in the bill.

“Whining” is an American tradition dating back to the debate on “Independency” in 1775 and 1776.

And so it goes…………..

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Oh how I wish people knew the definition of illegal….

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LeeH1 has it right. Stop the demand for illegals. Why not arest the store owners and the corporation presidents for hiring known illegals. All companies should be required to do a background check for citizenship BEFORE being hired. Tell the corporate bosses, if INS finds one illegal, put the corporate boss in handcuffs and walk him or her out the door in front of his employees. I’ll bet it will stop then. Once illegals can’t find work, guess where they will go? Back home or to another country where there is work. No need to spend all that money on deportation, just some intestinal fortitude on the part of this country to stand up and take action against those that hire illegals.

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willbrad

clever, but we KNOW what illegal means, we just think the laws are stupid and are fighting to make things right.

on the other side however, some folks don’t know the definition of amnesty and just keep making themselves look stupid.

Based on that study recently released…I bet you’re a Fox News watcher.

That can be cured.

Change the channel!

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Breaking News: Ms. Cynthia Tucker reveals that Ebenezer Scrooge is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat. Oh wait. That’s neither breaking nor news. Doesn’t the fact that the word “illegal” is used tell you something? If we can pick and choose which laws to obey, why do I have to pay taxes to support the current regime?

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The simple plan:
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The problem with the liberal left and CT is they don’t understand what “Illegal” means, so here it is, it means you have broken a law of this country and you should be punished not rewarded. But the Obozo administration rewards failure with tax dollars, just look where the TARP money went. Only people making millions got TARP money, how odd….But the GOP makes way too much sense for a liberal to understand, secure the border then deal with the problem, otherwise you are putting a band aid on a severed jugular. Another point is why should “Illegal aliens” jump to the head of the line of the people who are following the laws?

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native…that is definitely simple. lol

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and how did the cookies come out ?

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Get over it..There is a right way to enter the USA and an illegal way. Illegal is just that, against the law. the Federal Government’s main function is to protect the boarders which it is not doing and is even suing Arizona for doing so. That being said, look at the cost of illegals draining the health care system, putting extra burdens on the school systenms, infiltrations of Latino gangs into the streets. they also take jobs that US Citizens do not want while the taxpayers pay for them not to work, troubling. Rossevelt, Truman and Eisenhower all rounded up illegal immigrants to provide jobs for returning GI’s, so what is the problem. The authorities do not have to break down doors, just have the authority to check legal status on a ongoing basis and ship them back home with a big invoice for expenses to the Mexican government. Or, perhaps we should also parden bank robbers if they agree to be good. This entire argument is ridicules.!!

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Racism is as racism does.

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Hum, I’m not a Republican but dead set against Dream or any other bills to reward ILLEGALS. I don’t care what party you are in, if you reward ILLEGAL aliens I will do everything in my power to see you don’t stay in office. Everyone really knows that Dream was a gift of “special rights” for Latinos to get their vote. Yes there are others groups but Dream was for them. Rewarding ILLEGAL behavior creates more ILLEGAL behavior! If we had 300,000 ILLEGAL aliens in our country that would be a serious problem. The reality is we have between 12 – 30 million ILLEGALS in our country. That is more than a problem, it is an INVASION and a danger to our culture and way of life. There is NO diversity when you flood a nation with one group of people!

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The pandercrats see illegal Hispanics as a potential voting block that would help keep their worthless butts in office. Getting elected/reelected is all that’s important to left wing politicians.

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Sorry Granny….

The study was commissioned by The Center for American Progress, a progressive organization that opposed the bill.

I would treat this info about like you would if I quoted FOX…..aint happening…

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and NOT ONE of you has bothered to comment that it is Obama and Eric Holder that are suing Nevada….CT, do you have the nerve to comment or support that from your dream of a president? Isnt this what I see over and over, “the republicans should go after the employers”?

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If there are any hispanic immigrants on this site that aren’t real citizens, please know that you are not welcome in the U.S. and we are doing everything in our power to have you deported. We are tired of paying for your free health care in our emergency rooms and we are tired of you sending your spanish speaking kids to our kids’ classrooms which slows down learning for everyone. We are also tired of the crime you’ve brought to Gwinnett County and the drug problem that you’ve exasperated in all of metro-Atlanta. Just pack up your bags and go back to Mexico and leave us the h*ll alone.

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CT, what do you think our officials in Washington should do to curb illegal immigration? The DREAM Act was nothing more than an attempted reward to the parents who illegally brought their kids into our country with giving them a path to citizenship that did not require going back through the borders.

I propose: Cut off the supply of what it is that brings these people to illegally cross our border. Make it illegal for companies to hire illegal aliens. Make it illegal for landlords to rent out homes to illegal aliens. Make it illegal for illegal aliens to attend schools. Make it illegal for illegal aliens to receive ANY and ALL forms of government help. If you take away the supply, there will be no demand. Once that is implemented, these illegals will have nowhere to go but back to their respective countries. This would keep the costs of deportations much, much lower as one can imagine many of these people would deport themselves. Please tell me of another country that bends over backwards to accomodate people who knowingly and willingly violate its immigration laws…

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markie mark

I know where the study came from silly! I asked that you verify it on your own.

You may note I quoted Fox News earlier in this post. They aren’t always wrong, but again I verify everything. It’s very rewarding to
find the truth.

Zillette# 2 is doing the cookies this afternoon..I’ll let you know!

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Cyntia…Agian..Boring..Boring..Boring….All Americans welcome legal immigration (GOP/non-GOP)..there is no question about that. But rewarding people for illegal activity…PLEASE STOP!… I used to be a liberal/democrat, but the party has just gone looney. We need a ‘common sense’ party where people think for themselves and use logic to make a case for something.

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There is no logic to this issue. On the face it’s simple, they are here illegally, they need to go. ALL of them. And no, it’s not “impossible” to deport millions of illegal border jumpers AND their offspring. This is what makes Americans SO mad. When outsiders come in and twist the very meaning of our statutes into a perversion that doesn’t serve Americans at all. In most cases it takes advantage of Americans and reduces the benefits for people who actually belong here. There is no country on the planet that allows this. Why us?
Grobbbbbbbbbbb

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Hey, people are out there breaking speeding laws everyday. Lets get rid of that law too!

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Bottom line: America already has a process to citizenship. Get in line behind the people who are doing it correctly. Otherwise, you get shipped back to where you came as you do not respect our laws!

Enough Said!

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Funny thing is-
Republican voters want illegals out of here and walls put up.
Republican money donors need those illegals here to keep their wages low and keep their bottom line as high as possible.

Who do you think will win this? Hehehehe. Why do you think the Republicans talk big before elections and then ALWAYS fall short of ACTUALLY doing something?

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you get shipped back to where you came as you do not respect our laws!

Said by a person who has never driven over the speed limit, rolled through a stop sign, etc, etc,…..

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Once again Cynthia slanting the real issue to make Republicans look like they don’t want children to get an education which is so far from the truth. HERE IS THE ISSUE FOR ALL YOU BONEHEADS OUT THERE!!!

DO YOU KNOW THAT IF DREAM ACT PASSED THERE WOULD BE AN ENOURMOUS AMOUNT OF ILLEGALS FLOODING INTO THE COUNTRY TO GET THEIR CHANCE TO AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE LIVED IN A PERFECT UTOPIAN SOCIETY BUT THE REALITY IS THAT ILLEGALS DAMAGE OUR COUNTRY IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. TO START WITH MOST ARE VERY POOR SO THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE ANY JOB AND ACCEPT BEING PAID NEXT TO NOTHING. ALSO, VERY FEW OF THEM ACTUALLY PAY INCOME TAXES SO THEY REAP ALL THE BENEIFTS THAT LEGAL AMERICANS DO WITHOUT ACTUALLY PAYING A DIME. (THE DEMOCRATIC WAY!!) ALSO, WHEN A CITY HAS AN INFLUX OF HISPANICS IT DESTROYS THINGS FROM PROPERTY VALUES TO LOCAL BUSINESS. I SEE THIS IN THE AREA I LIVE, CERTAIN PARTS HAVE BECOME LITTLE MEXICO AND ALL THE STORES HAVE GONE OUT OF BUSINESS AND TURNED INTO A MEXICAN GROCERY STORE OR SOMETHING OF THE LIKE. THIS IS ONLY A FEW EXAMPLES OF THE DANGER ALLOWING MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS INTO THE COUNTRY. TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOUR TOWN, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU NEED MORE HISPANICS RUNNING AROUND?? IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A PERFECT SOCIETY WHERE ANYONE COULD JUST COME IN AND BE A PART OF IT BUT THAT’S NOT REAL LIFE!!

As usual Cynthia only tells a part of the story, never gives the whole thing!!!

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Home grown terror is the Fed printing trillions of dollars out of thin air to bail out ny fat cats like JPigMorgan and GoldmanSlackers. When the dollar dies, and it will, all Americans will find out what it really costs to live our bloated lifestyles.

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I would like to recommend the Spanish film, “Sin Nombre,” which describes the travels of those illegal immigrants who have tried to come to America illegally. I am not advocating for their illegal choice, but I am saying that the film puts a human face upon them. Most knew that they were going to die in Central America or Mexico by even attempting to come to America.

The Dream Act seems like a fair and humane plan to me.

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I’m a liberal AGAINST the DREAM Act, and there are many others like me. But of course it’s great to make sweeping ASSumptions, after all, hasn’t “liberal” become a slur of sorts? Nice

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If CT says there are a million of them, there are probably at leasy @ million- 95% or more of which are Democrat voters.

They really believe that we are as stupid as they try to portray us.

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Mary Elizabeth

“The Dream Act seems like a fair and humane plan to me.”

Me too, can’t see why compassionate conservatives don’t…

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Ship all the illegals aliens, including their anchor babies, back to their countries of origin with a copy of the US immigration instructions and make them follow them for reentry just like legal immigrants do.

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Only one “plan” makes sense – send them back they are illegal!
Why obozo and cindy don’t understand that is , well, nevermind – we know why.

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lynnie gal,

Yes, we should trade some Americans for Hispanics since they are hard-working, family-oriented people. Texas wants to secede so I say we trade Texas (and any other conservatives who just can’t seem to “git their countray back”) to Mexico for a better class of citizen.

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Reglamento de la Ley General de Poblacion — the General Law on Population enacted in Mexico in April 2000, which mandates that federal, local and municipal police cooperate with federal immigration authorities in that country in the arrests of illegal immigrants.

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.

The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy” or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents.

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Mike R December 21st, 2010
10:55 am

Mike…have you noted the contradictions you’v stated as to why Hispanics are a negative influence??

Note:
1) TO START WITH MOST ARE VERY POOR SO THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE ANY JOB AND ACCEPT BEING PAID NEXT TO NOTHING. They desire to acquire the American Dream via hard work; isn’t that a conservative paradigm??

2) CERTAIN PARTS HAVE BECOME LITTLE MEXICO AND ALL THE STORES HAVE GONE OUT OF BUSINESS AND TURNED INTO A MEXICAN GROCERY STORE OR SOMETHING OF THE LIKE. Isn’t this evident of the entrepreneural spirit — taking a depressed area and marketing a product or sevice towards a clientele? Isn’t this a conservative paradigm??

3) VERY FEW OF THEM ACTUALLY PAY INCOME TAXES — Are you certain? They DO pay taxes…in other ways: sales, fuel, property……so they are paying taxes!!

See the contradictions??

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Usually the GOP talking heads are in here calling CT everything but a child of God. Where is everyone? Any of them care to share why the GOP only cares about illegal immigration when they AREN’T in power?? Or why they never come through on promises of regulation once they are??

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granny godzilla MARY ELIZABETH

December 21st, 2010
11:01 am

OF COURSE THE BILL HAS GOOD INTENTIONS BUT THAT’S NOT THE POINT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIVE HORRIBLE LIFESTYLES ALL OVER THE WORLD, NOT JUST MEXICO. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD JUST BRING THEM ALL HERE TO LIVE BUT THAT’S NOT REALISTIC. OUR SOCIETY CAN’T HANDLE THEM FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS. IT’S NOT OUR FAULT THAT THEIR GOVERNMENTS ARE SO CORRUPT AND THEIR SOCIETIES ARE SO BACKWARDS…

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@Appeal: California had the chance to set the precedence and failed. I bet all the drug dealers voted on THAT day Legalization could have set the wheels in motion to end the war on drugs, but like this immigration thing, there is $$$ to be made. And we all know the almighty $ reigns supreme. This thing is bigger than us and our opinions. Think about it.

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Granny, you say reduce the deficit, or the CBO, well, have you performed the research as to how much it will cost to implement, not just at the Federal level but also at the state level. Relying solely on the CBO, does not take into account all of the costs.
Beneficiaries under the Act, also referred to as DREAMers, would automatically receive work authorization and legal residency status which would grant them access to the federal student loan program and the federal work/study program to help them cover the costs of tuition and fees. After removing the conditions of their conditional residency status by either completing their second year of college or serving two years in the military, DREAMers could benefit from the federal grant programs such as Pell and FSEOG.
DREAM Act advocates estimate that approximately 65,000 * DREAMers graduate from high school or obtain their high school equivalency. Under the Act, DREAMers up to the age of 35 would be able to apply for benefits under the Act. For the eighteen year span between eighteen year old and 35 year old DREAMers, approximately 1.17 million illegal aliens would be eligible for benefits under the Act during the first year alone with an estimated 65,000 every year thereafter. Approximately 455,000 DREAMers would be under the age of 24 and would qualify for federal financial aid as dependent students allowing each of them to borrow up to $5500/year. The additional 715,000 DREAMers would qualify as independent students allowing them to borrow up to $9500/year in federal student loans each. Under this formula, federal student loans for DREAMers in dependent status would be approximately $2,502,500,000 while independent DREAMers would receive a combined total of approximately $6,792,500,000 during the first year.
At the beginning of the second year of the DREAM Act being in effect, an additional 65,000 DREAMers would be eligible for federal loans of up to $5500 and approximately 65,000 DREAMers would’ve turned 24 years of age and would be eligible to borrow up to $9500/year. The costs to the U.S. taxpayer of subsidizing the tuition of the approximately 1.23 million illegal aliens who would benefit from the DREAM Act over the first two years of its enactment would be $19,207,500,000.
• Advocates of the DREAM Act argue that it will significantly increase tax revenue, because with a college education, recipients will earn more and pay more in taxes over their lifetime. However, several factors need to be considered when evaluating this argument:
o Any hoped-for tax benefit is in the long-term, and will not help public institutions deal with the large influx of new students the act creates in the short-term.
o Given limited spaces at public institutions, there will almost certainly be some crowding out of U.S. citizens ─ reducing their lifetime earnings and tax payments.
o The DREAM Act only requires two years of college; no degree is necessary. The income gains for having some college, but no degree, are modest.
o Because college dropout rates are high, many illegal immigrants who enroll at public institutions will not complete the two years the act requires, so taxpayers will bear the expense without a long-term benefit.

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Hey what about the less than 50 thousand “legal immigrants” already facing 10 year wait times in backlogs created primarily due to the last amnesty.Screw the legals again. After all 43 thousand is a much less soundbyte than 20 million. Since legals are used following the laws lets screw them over they won’t complain.
No wonder high skilled immigration to US has been decling and guess what whose economies have picked up(India and China) and ours is declinling. The effect of these redundant immigration policies that favors low skilled family based(especially hispanic biased) policies will mean slow but steady decline of the high tech and innovation industry in the US.Lets learn something from Canada. I think in this regard they got it right. Their point based system rewards young educated high skilled immigrants with advanced degrees who in turn invest, innovate and create jobs without relying on entitlements.
I hope its not too late since we have already lost a decade so far.

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The bottom line about the DREAM Act itself – The Party of Slavery sees this as a way to get votes in the future, assuming that most Hispanics will block vote for them much in the way that Blacks have since the 1960’s. The GOP recognizes this and buys into that paradigm, instead of trying to capitalize on the inherant conservative social values of the hispanic community (there is a good argument for this, most people vote their pocketbook, not their conscience; and the political experience of most hispanics has a socialist background, which feeds into The Party of Slavery’s mantra).

Bottom line is, strong immigration enforcement works better than pandering. As we have seen when states and localities attempt enforcement, illegals always self-deport, and The Party of Slavery reacts via lawsuit to stop the self-deportation.

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HDB: I’m suggesting AMENDMENT. If your parents weren’t born here you are NOT a citizen.

Down in albany: care to answer any of my previous questions?? This thing didn’t just begin RECENTLY. We can go back to Nixon if you please. Illegal immigration, that is.

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Let them deport themselves. Cut off all services, educate, medicate & incarcerate. Give them 90 days to leave and after that the law changes to a felony to be in this country illegally. No services, no work, no handouts….they will leave.

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I love illegals and have opened my home to them. They refer to my hacienda as the taco rail-road. Sometimes the law is a ass. Breaking the law to be human feels good. God bless.

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andy

cbo took that into account……

oh and you really should note your sources….it’s not nice to take credit for examiner.com’s work.

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Why would republicans want to do anything about illegal immigrants? The people who benefit from illegal immigrants the most are massive, agri-business firms including chicken processing plants throughout Georgia (R’s most loyal supporters). Illegals save corporations money in taxes, wages, and benefits. Illegals have no rights, corporations have no obligation to provide them with due process or fair hearings of any kind. Illegals save corporations from OSHA regulation as they are less likely to report an OTJ accidents. Currently, human trafficking and slavery are at their highest level in the history of the world.

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Mala Cori@10:43 am

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I shall not run if nominated

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Let’s hope the GOP plan is centered around removing the incentives for illegal behavior. Tighten up requirements for businesses to verify immigration status quickly and inexpensively and punish those who don’t comply. When the jobs dry up, the illegals will go home. As an added bonus, millions of native born American layabouts will lose their excuse for demanding perpetual unemployment benefits. It’s a win-win-win.

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…we are doing everything in our power to have you deported.

This is a no brainer. Ship these mofos back to wherever they came from.

Again, to all you round ‘em up and ship ‘em backers—-how much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis, to accomplish this task?

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You can hope all you want but the GOP has done nothing to enforce the current laws on the books about employing undocumented workers……where is the responsibilty?

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It will cost less to ship them back that the financial drain they exert sucking away the benefits that are there for American citizens. Again, it’s very simple, what part of “illegal” is so damned hard to understand?

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I imagine a Greyhound bus ticket would cost $50.00 per illegal. Just add some shackles and a few guards per bus and your good to go.

Plus you’d stimulate the economy with a little interstate commerce.

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Fletch@11:24 am

Anyone know where I can get a Delorean and Flux Capacitor?
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No, but I say we open up a cattle ranch in India

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Cynthia…let me keep this short and sweet….Illegal.

Illegal…Illegal…Illegal…

1) forbidden by law or statute.
2) contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.

Illegal…Illegal…Illegal.

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…it cost more to keep them here…

A very bold statement.

Do you have anything to back that up?

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Maddox…how is the cost of that fence doing so far? And the tunnels? Are you fencing in the entire country (northern border, seaports). Did you invest in the fence company after buying your gold from Glen Beck?

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If it’s built by someone other than a government employee. There again, I’m no Architect…

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actually it needs to be built by personal injury attorneys….

what with funding cuts there won’t be am=ny ambulances to chase…

just saying…

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“Again, to all you round ‘em up and ship ‘em backers—-how much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis, to accomplish this task?”

As much as it takes. I’d rather cut those BS 99 weeks of unemployment benefits and spend the money deporting those sponges of society back to Mexico. All of our healthcare costs and education costs would go down, if this occured.

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As much as it takes.

There’s your sign.

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“ICE: Tab to remove illegal residents would approach $100 billion”

Granny- Congress must either enforce our laws or tell the rest of the world that the US has no borders and we are giving up our sovereign right to our country and its borders. If Congress doesn’t fix the problem, then taxpayers will eventually take care of the problem on their own (by force), without the help of the gov’t. I don’t think thats a scenario that will be good for anyone.

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Granny, the CBO is useless, it has to use the assumptions given to them…

Let’s enforce current law, stop anchor babies, stop sanctuary cities, stop giving illegals benefits, create a more robust citizen test and make it hard for illegals to get a job, find housing and have them GO THRU THE LEGAL PROCESS OF IMMIGRATING HERE!

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DK

so when the GOP quotes the CBO it still is useless?

just checkin’

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Maddox…well I guess we just have to agree to disagree about your ignorance.

Mike R….the point is that this would without any question only encouurage other illegals to come here because they could transport back in time to qualify for the 5 yrs prior to passage of the bill? It does not apply to those who arrive later. Please support your contention with some facts and logic.

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Granny – which do you prefer? The cops letting someone steal your $1000 TV set or them spending $5000 to arrest and convict the criminal?

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“ICE: Tab to remove illegal residents would approach $100 billion”

I think I have a way to make everyone happy. Pass the DREAM Act for the 800k or so young people they believe it would apply to, but as each of them was a “victim” of the people who brought them here to begin with their adult relatives who are also here illegally (parents, aunts/uncles, etc) have to voluntarily leave the USA in exchange for the young person’s participation in DREAM. This is a fine solution if it is really about the children – their parents only wanted to give them a better life in America and we want to be fair to them because they were young when they were brought here – right? The adult relatives can be deported (voluntarily or the child is required to turn in at least two adult relatives) and sign an agreement not to return or ever seek residency in the USA and the child agrees that if any of the adult relatives is discovered in the USA illegally thereafter that the child will voluntarily leave the USA as well. Solved.

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Good idea…and I won’t insult you.

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I have never heard such stupid augments against enforcing the law.
Granny you would rather pay for an illegal’s education, medical and or prison than make them follow the law? What king of stupidity is that? Buy the way using liberal logic; we can pay for them to be sent home with all the money we are saving from Obozocare, right liberals?

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When I saw this headline on Google, before I went to the article, I knew, I just knew, CT had written it. Yep, love it when I’m right(which is always). Left doesn’t even exist. When I go someplace I avoid lefthand turns, that’s why it takes me forever to get there. One very important thing CT conveniently left out (naturally) is the FACT they only would have had to put in an application for college, and never acted on it, and they could not have been deported. How many thousands would have done that? This thing had so many loopholes it looked like someone had used it for target practice. CT is so full of it I’m surprised she doesn’t weight 500 lbs!

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@ Granny 1205 – I guess we should do a cost/benefit analysis before enforcing any law or statute.

Unsolved murder? Hold on, let’s project the victim’s future earning power against their cost to society and the cost to investigate, convict, and incarcerate to murderer. It might not be “worth it” to pursue.

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Mars, you are smart enough to know that it is bad policy and certainly contrary to a party that claims “Family first” to destroy families by forcing someone to turn in other family members and to destroy families. We can agree to disagree on what is proper policy for the adults who entered and what are the current legal options and what should be the legal options but you dont force a child or a young adult to make that decision for the same reason we dont hold adults responsible if they do not turn in their children for crimes or children if they do not turn in their parents. And you also want to add a requirement that even if the parents left, they would never be able to apply for citizenship.

PS — Not all came through Ellis Island.

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So why don’t the Republicans make an obvious first crack at the immigration problem in January – pass a law requiring all employers to run any future employeee through E-verify, then give all employers 90 days to run all CURRENT employees through E-verify. Any names rejected by E-verify would be given to ICE. This is a good first step that does not cost a fortune, and hopefully would result in a lot of illegal aliens self-deporting. I am calling on Congress to make this their first order of business.

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I HOPE the GOP plan is to actually enforce our immigration laws.
Enforcement works. People here illegally get the message very quickly that they aren’t wanted and there will be no jobs for them, and they go home!
What a concept for those on the left, huh? Enforce the law.
Try it! It works!

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“to destroy families by forcing someone to turn in other family members and to destroy families.”

I never said I was about “Family First” or anything like it. My plan would not force anyone to do anything. If you want to stay with mommy and daddy you can either continue to live “under the radar” and hope for the best or go back to your country of origin with them. Besides, at 18-24 you need to be getting out on your own anyway. I left home, went to college, got married, got a job, started a family and when I can I go to visit my parents. I assume that under the DREAM Act these 18-24 year olds would be free to visit their parents in their home country if they so desired.

By the way, there generally is not a Parent-Child privilege in the law. A few states (not GA) do recognize one, but outside of those a parent can in fact be compelled to testify against a child. And you actually cannot hide your child from the police if the police come looking for him/her – and if you go further than that, you can wind up in jail like Aimee Michael’s mom did. But you are correct that in our country there is generally not a crime reporting obligation on most citizens (ignoring things like physicians who have to report suspected abuse). But if you are party to a crime and you want to turn yourself in and have them go easier on you then you better be prepared to turn in the other culprits. The basis of the DREAM Act is that you have young people voluntarily reporting that they are in this country illegally and asking for preferential treatment as a result of that — why shouldn’t they be expected to turn in the people who committed the crime with them?

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Typical hypocrites Rep, I hope we will not get attacked like 911, these same hypocrites selfish party of Rep would be running around begging these same kids of the dream act to fight their war for them.
The first line they will use is ”we are all Americans, this idiots in this party think they are in America by themself.
When you trace most these conservatives hypocrites history they are not from this country themself.
Sean Hannity (Irish) Beck(German) these bigots will continue to pimp dumb poor white conservatives.

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And yes I know that technically being in this country illegally is not a “crime”, but rather is a civil matter. However, in order to stay in this country for any period of time an illegal immigrant naturally has to commit a crime/jailable offense, whether it be tax evasion or identity theft or improperly obtaining a social security number. Overstaying your tourist visa may not be a jailable offense, but unless you are independently wealthy you have no choice but to commit certain crimes thereafter in order to stay here.

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granny- AFTER VERIFYING THIS INFO ON YOUR OWN, Can we count on your support?

No.

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keep- they ought to be required to tell us what a “secure border” means and how they plan to enforce it

Secure as in nobody gets in who isn’t supposed to. The fence is a good idea in some areas. Backed up with automatic gunfire. Plant crosses where the bodies fall like the East Germans did. Word of mouth should take care of most of the rest after that.

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Mars…again, you suggested a requirement that child must turn in the parents and that the parents must agree never to apply for citizenship as a condition for the child to be granted citizenship and if the parents or family members are found in this country illegally, the child who is abiding by the law, should be punished by being forced to leave. Not much legal precedent in other areas of law for this harshness and about as draconian and foolish as suggesting that we can cure speeding by putting all speeders to death.

Let’s not play games about legal privileges or participating in a criminal act by hiding a suspect.

Oh if the child goes to law school (and becomes an attorney) and his/her parents enter illegally and ask for legal assistance is the child required to turn them in violation of the ethical duties. We can play law school games but seems rather silly.

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granny- we just think the laws are stupid and are fighting to make things right.

Sorry, I forgot armed robbery was a crime. Stupid laws…

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granny- DREAM Act would cut deficit by $1.4 billion: CBO report

Does that include all the free benefits for the next 20 million illegals that are going to storm the border since you’re failing to fix the problem?

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Why JKL2, are you a commie? Suggesting we use the same methods as commies? And it worked so well for the commies too in keeping them in.

Then again, why dont we build a fence around AZ, we kick out everyone and then only citizens can go in but they are not allowed to leave. You leave, you die! You can pay your own taxes and the costs of keeping you in. You can impose biblical courts, discriminate or do whatever you want based on your own laws. Sounds like a great plan for the GOP. Silly.

Automatic gunfire….sure hope your plane does not crash in that area. How do we protect the ports? Canadian fence too?

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Can we talk about global warming?

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Btw Republicans may not WANT to enforce the law but they’ll definitely be forced to by their constituents.

Uh, huh.

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The Dream Act was not “narrowly crafted”, and was in fact biased in favor of illegal immigrants. Any new version needs to written to only the poster children advertised, with burden of proof on applicants as to age of entry, etc, up front — and with no right to sponsor anyone for citizenship.

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@God Bless 1:30

Thousands of small businesses have utilized illegals to ENHANCE their profits. You can cry about the SEIU or any union have emplyed them, but turn off the ‘talking points’ and provide the whole picture, not just the part that meets your ideology.

I’m for going after any business and union that utilizes illegals and taking a portion of their profits if it can be found what they paid versus the market wage. If that bankrupts a small business than so be it.

I have NO problem with illegals being rounded up and sent back home. Both the Dems and Repubs have failed in doing this. What I find so ironic is that many people who know business owners in the restaurant, construction, landscaping, janitorial, food processing (I could go on and on) industries will praise these owners for their efforts and say NOTHING about the fact that part of the profits come from utilizing illegals at below market wages. They just whine and cry about the illegals and give the business owners a free pass.

Let’s debate about the WHOLE picture and not just some ‘talking pts” that some pundit brainwashed you to regurgitate.

Yes that’s the cost we as tax payers subsidize in terms of schools, healthcare, etc as well going after the businesses that in most cases have increased their bottom line by employing them.

Obama has done nothing nor did Bush. People go after Obama for his original “amnesty” plan, yet gladly voted for Bush who basically wanted to do the same EXACT thing.

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Tea Party will fight any kind of illegal immigration AMNESTY

As with Article 4, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, the federal government must halt a “foreign invasion.” The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion. The Dream Act and other amnesty agendas of “aiding and abetting” illegal aliens violates this stipulation and this federal mandatory law by allowing and rewarding “foreign occupation” and not halting it.

In seeing that the Dream Act failed to gain enough votes in the Senate, it is now way past time that the 2006 Secure Fence Act was taken seriously. The provisions of the Act that were sacrificed soon after the law was borne by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX), Coyrn (R-TX) and the majority of Liberal Democrats. These politicians amended the bill by cutting funding, to the–REAL–border fence that never materialized. I’m sure now the propagating Tea Party will introduce the Double border fence, with the internal barrier electrified, which would be a major deterrent to the illegal immigration invasion. This would have been an Amnesty, through–CHAIN MIGRATION–for millions of immediate family members sponsored by students? A new revised Dream Act may pass in the future, without chain migration. I think most moderate Conservatives have seen, stealth and the hidden loopholes in the agenda. ALL THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THE DREAM ACT, WILL BE VIVIDLY REMEMBERED IN THE NEXT REELECTION PERIOD IN AN ADVERSE LIGHT.

Additionally Senator Reid crushed a mandatory E-Verify program that was developed to eject illegal aliens out of the workplace, which has been compromised by fraudulent ID. Both laws could be greatly enhanced by the federal government mandated the 287(g) that gives enforcement authority to the local State, county and local police to arrest and detain. It’s time the federal administrations began immigration enforcement and stop catering to foreign nationals with public entitlements and mass amnesty of any kind. Now both Democrats and Republicans better begin to contribute to American citizens-legal residents, instead of special interests and open border zealots. Gain more understanding of the illegal alien occupancy at NumbersUSA. Annually most Americans are unaware that 1.5 million legal newcomers settle in this nation, with “god Knows” how many illegal aliens to supplement the irreversible overpopulation. Most legal immigrants are heralded in by the Microsoft Bill Gates of America, in lower wage jobs. So it’s hard for me to understand why these billionaire business owners don’t hire US citizens and green card holders already here, to fill job opportunities or even organize national training programs?

In conclusion–even though the Dream Act failed, these scholars or any young man or women, can join the armed forces simply by going to the nearest armed forces recruiting offices in time of conflict under 8 USC § 1440. If they want their citizenship the Afghanistan war or the potential chance of fighting a war against North Korea opens the door for them. It’s a misnomer that they need the Dream Act to show their courage and skills of leadership. The recruiting Sergeant is waiting for you?

Executive Order. No. 13269. Expedited Naturalization of Aliens and Noncitizen
Nationals Serving in an Active-Duty Status during the War on Terrorism: Signed by President Bush of July 3, 2002

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Hey Cynthia, model citizens DON’T break the law. And BTW there are already laws in place. ENFORCE THEM!!!!! & Merry CHRiSTmas!!

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I guess the old adage…herd ‘em up and move ‘em on out….cannot apply here, huh?

Piffle—–of course it can.

How much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis, to accomplish this cattle drive?

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It is clear that Obama has done nothing nor did Bush

Bush was glad to have an open border to help the small bushiness who employ illegals, which helped stimulate the economy….

People want to cry about the Dems lack of action ( yes you have a point) but most Repubs are just talking to appease you. They had Congress for 12 yrs, 6 of which was with Bush and didn’t do ANYTHING……… ie…….. they just talk to appease you

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Ctucker….you views are so skewed and ignorant it is unbelieveable to us all.

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They have NO plan. And if you ask any of these bozos, racist, homophobic and ignorant fools who’s plan fall far short from solving ANY immigration problem that America has, they’ll tell you the same thing these people in congress say, “reinforce the border” and/or “deport them” Are you practically insane? There are MILLIONS of immigrant families here, it’s virtually impossible to deport all of them, and like the article says it would cost hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars to do so. And for how long would ICE officers be doing this? years and years to try and find these people. They would need local and state police enforcement and perhaps even the government intelligence agency to track them ALL down. And what good will that do? When their services could be used for actually tracking down real criminals and offenders of the law instead, the man who rapes your wife or the crazy who breaks into your house, do you think there’s an infinite amount of them? Oh but no, of course not, no one thinks of these things when they spew their hate at the immigration population, of course not, they’re just immigrants, millions of them,. ALL who have set their roots here and actually contribute to the economy, yes they DO pay taxes, every day actually when they go buy groceries at a badly run down local store to survive, because we all know that people need to buy food to survive right? or when a mother goes out to buy clothing and toys at a Kmart for her son and daughter, because we all need to not be naked right? or when they go to buy furniture, chairs and table, beds yes they pay their dues, and that means they contribute to the country’s GDP, the economy. And please don’t come here to tell me “ohh but they don’t pay their annual taxes” yes they do, I happen to know a lot of immigrants who do, in the hopes that one day, their honesty in doing so and their loyalty of America in paying their taxes like any American citizen would because they consider themselves American already, would be reward with an immigration policy that will take them and their families out of the shadows and further contribute to America. Oh yea, but Americans don’t want them out of the shadow’s, do they? they want them magically gone and hope that the jobs they took would magically come rushing to them right? Again, are you practically INSANE? America is in the estate it is right now not because of immigrants but because of the greedy, money hungry companies like GMC or Wal-Mart, who ship American jobs to CHINA. Because they know that cheap labor is better for their pockets hmm. While Americans stay stuck without jobs and find the easiest target around and blame their problems on that target. That is called WEAKNESS, it’s called being afraid and ignorant about what’s really going on. Infact, if it wasn’t for the immigrant who every day wakes up, like any respectable American would, to go to work on that farm picking up crops, like lettuces, tomatoes, beats and peas etc that you so thoroughly enjoy at low prices, the immigrant woman who goes to your house and takes care of your kid as a maid when you have to go out to work or an important JOB interview, or the brown man janitor who cleans public bathrooms and swipes the floor with an old rusty broom or mop, if it wasn’t for that immigrant teenage girl who works at low wages along side her childhood citizen friends at the cash register at a Kmart to support her family and earn enough money in the hopes that one day she’ll get the chance to be the next business owner of a company like Kmart, if it wasn’t for THEM, the people who are often overlooked because they’ve always been there, America would be doing A LOT worst in this recession. Because if they weren’t there, YOUR jobs that you’d so much like to think it is and is being taken away from you will not be there for you when you go to apply for it, it will be, that’s right, in China, or in India or somewhere else, but not in America you can count on that. Why? simple, Big business doesn’t care about the American middle man, they’ll ship those jobs somewhere were they don’t have to pay you more, and that damn vegetable crop picking brow Mexican who contributes to the US economy will be replaced by that damn crop picking yellow Chinese who contributes to the CHINISE economy. But yeah, are you afraid to go out and protest against this? the real reason why you have no money? are you going to sit in your butt and watch America fall because of their GREED and your ignorance to accept the reality as it is? are you going to keep complaining and picking on the easy target next to you, competing for scarce jobs because you have been manipulated into thinking that somehow this is all your immigrant sister and brother’s fault and they should just leave? Because if you still think that immigrants should just leave even though it was never them who took the jobs away, than that means you are just simply racist, or ignorant. You don’t want another race “taking over your country” are you insane? America is FOUNDED on immigrants, this country’s rich history of ingenuity and freedom is because we are a multicultural nation, America is the world, and it’s because of that that we have been so successful in the past, not just having ONE narrow-minded type of race ruled by one simple norm. Diversity in America IS its virtue, the many different minds that converse, discuss, argue and find solutions to problems is a virtue we enjoyed in the past, and has made America the great country it is. But again, I think this is something that has been taken for granted by a number of people. Our next scientist could be that immigrant boy studding at UCLA to become a marine biologist against all odds, or that other immigrant girl studding to be a teacher at another university or college, these people are part of American future, to ignore their Dream is to ignore investment in America simply because you are so full of hate and dissension to your fellow man and woman. And if your part of the crowd that advocates the same crap about “oh but it’s against the law” yes it is, but it’s wayyy too late to go on that argument, like I said there are MILLIONS of immigrants here, it would be stupid and highly illogical to say “deport them.” That’s why there’s a Dream act, to push for a legal way and make those future scientist and teachers and business owners a part of American society the right way. Because it is unfair that their skills should be wasted because of partisan talk and racist filled arguments, skills that are the future for American success. To ignore them and their cry for help is to ignore the success of America in the future. Martin Luther King once said that it is the duty of man to obey a just law because it is morally right, but that it was just as dutiful if not more to disobey an unjust law because it is morality wrong. These kids are suffering, just like you, but for the wrong reasons. They are YOUR future, they will, along side your children build a better America than the one you are living in right now, don’t let misinformation cloud your judgment, and please for the sake of all that’s good for this country and the world, dong HATE your fellow man simply because you can.

Most of you don’t even know, but you Baby Boomers are going to need their extra tax payer money when you retire and apply for social security, and when the deficit hits you hard latter in your lives, don’t go asking for the government to help you. Obviously you don’t need it.

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ronald

First of all “America,” is a continental distinction. Assuming that the majority of IAs are Mexicans, these Mexicans are “Americans” also.

I’m so frustrated with our south-of-the-border neighbors that I’m almost to the point of advocating invasion and then annexation. Then we can send in the National Guard to eradicate the narco-trafficantes

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@George W

“god Chosen”??

Wow… what Bible is that from?

White people lived in the Middle East 2 or more thousand years ago? Wow, what history book or Bible told YOU that?

Man… you should be a history scholar

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Each time a immigrant makes it across the border a angel gets it’s wings….

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keep-

Liberalism is great until you run out of other people’s money to spend. I would love to live in obamaland with you where everything is rainbows and unicorns. Fortunately, some of us are sworn to take care of helpless people like yourself who can only function if the government holds your hand and tells you what to do.

Limited resources mean we can’t fix everything at once. Let’s try starting with the big problem areas and go from there rather than sitting around doing nothing because you don’t think it’s not PC to only protect the border 95% of the illegals are using to cross into our country. It’s people like you that cuase 6 yr olds to get searched at airports. You’re olnly happy if everyone is equally offended. Sometimes profiling is considered good police work.

Our current system is if you enter the US illegally, we’ll give you a place to stay, free education and healthcare. The worst thing that can happen to you is you get free food, healthcare, and a trip back to GO to try again (only better rested and more experienced this time). Having to risk death would eliminate most of the problem by word of mouth. (Try sneaking into China and see how well it works out for you).

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@JKL2

Bush took a Surplus and doubled the debt

Was he a liberal?

Address Bush and not any other Pres? We can debate the others once we discuss Bush. Please note he had 6 of 8 yrs with a Repub Congress..

Ready when you are

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Libertarian the party of sloths!

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OH I know people like you George would rather spend all day ranting your hate rather than educating yourself. It just they way the world works. Thankfully there are better people in the US than you, so I’m perfectly fine writing what I know it’s true. Read it or not, it’s none of my concern, and I wont argue with you troll with no life, this is my last post so enjoy your meaningless, uneducated, pessimistic, hateful and ignorant life you have.

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They BOTH….you seem to be forgeting 9/11, two wars and Katrina.

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JKL…”free education and healthcare”? Hmm you mean I dont pay property taxes to support schools? Sorry illegals do pay taxes unless their employers conspire to commit fraud.

You really are running in circles. But rant away with your commie plans and foolish unaffordable fences….by the way, that liberal ACLU is likely the protector of the privacy rights of that 6 yr old in the airport.

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Liberalism is great until you run out of other people’s money to spend.

People who self-identify as liberals, generally, are better off than the population at large, and simply tend to believe in practicing what they preach.

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Kamchak – What’s another couple trillion to the deficit?

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@George W

You haven’t clarified your “white people” are God chosen idiocy.

What Bible? What Book and verse?

Thought so……………………

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They Both…..and your point?

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williebkind
December 21st, 2010
2:32 pm

That’s an extreme lack of compassion, isn’t it?? Dream isn’t too far off…but the presentation does bring forth some animus! Attempting to “round up” (for lack of a better term) is cost-prohibitive…and diverts resources from more pertinent issues facing this nation. The DREAM Act may not be a great step…but it IS a step that can begin an honest review of immigration policy.

What really needs to be done first is the following:

1) A freeze of H1B visas until the economy turns around
2) E-Verify be mandated by all employers — a further amplification of the I-9 process
3) Pass the DREAM Act
4) Create an alternative-expedited process for those who legally applied for citizenship
5) Once recognized, plac those in the DREAM Act in the normal pipeline….

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GW…whipped… oh yes…how is the witch and that Nevada lady? If I am what is wrong with the Dem party it must be because I can think and reason. If I could not, then I would be a perfect member of your party.

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Keep up the good fight!
Illegals pay taxes? Yes the employer may fill out a I9 but the illegal where he/she is 18 or 80 states they have 6 or more dependents. Of course they do not file their taxes at the end of the year because they would have to have ssn for those children or pay in more taxes. Now cry liberal cry because of your lie.

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Keep…..yep WHIPPED! Largest transfer of power recent history.

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Keep up……just keep doing what you are doing. Obama is half done. It is just a matter of time.

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Woodie….so you support illegal immigration?

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williebkind
December 21st, 2010
2:43 pm
“Yes the employer may fill out a I9 but the illegal where he/she is 18 or 80 states they have 6 or more dependents. Of course they do not file their taxes at the end of the year because they would have to have ssn for those children or pay in more taxes”

Question: how many NATIVE (as in born or naturalized) Americans do the same thing??

They DO pay taxes……sales, fuel, property……don’t discount the contributions, even if they are limited in scope!!

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How about telling the Mexican government, NO MORE AID money, until they secure the border on their side. How much aid money do we provide to Mexico? Also holding employers of illegal immigrants accountable with serious fines and possible jail time?? Just a couple suggestions! No ILLEGAL should hold a job while we have 10% or more of American CITIZENS unemployed. What if ILLEGALS children not allowed to attend K-12 public school grades. Of this is done on taxpayers back?? Just askin??

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Keep’s a lawyer? He/she debates an issue then insults you if you do not agree with him/her.

Lawyers aren’t trained to do that.

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HDB:
Sales tax? Fuel tax? So does every tourist. Property tax? Illegals own property? Well they better not die or they will lose it.

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jesus on the down-low

December 21st, 2010
2:58 pm
Nope, you have to be re-born as I was told. Did I miss something?

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How about a 95% tax on all money wired from the U.S. to Mexico? Liberals love taxes.

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Now you’re talking…

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Harry….AMEN!

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Deport the illegals? Where will I get my fast food lunch? Buy a chicken for dinner? Or, clean my hotel room? JKL2 will do it. Actually, it’s a step up from what he does today. (His blogs sound of the low wage mentality.)

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They Both…..that is ok, I am sure she needs it. Consider it my donation to the black community hahaha

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@GW

without knowing you, I would say she makes MUCH more than you ever have or will…………………….

But nice try

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I would be willing to bet money on that. I wish there was a way we could make that bet TRUST Me you would lose!

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Deport racist haters!

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Break down a major privacy firewall that protects tax information from scrutiny by Homeland Security authorities.

oh, the TPers are gonna just love that.

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All you Dems please tell me why you think the Democratic party wants all of the illegals here?

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Barney Frank used a great line on MSNBC last night; “Reality is the enemy of prejudice.”

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midtownguy

December 21st, 2010
3:21 pm
Yeah and you stare at him when he walks away too…dontcha?

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harry,

thanks for confirming your a racist.

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@GW

Your heroes Reagan and Bush were not Dems

Reagan signed an amnesty plan into LAW
Bush WANTED and amnesty plan which is basically the same as the one YOU cried about when Obama brought it up.

Do YOU know anything except the ‘talkin pts” you have been brainwashed to regurgitate?

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They Both…Who said I always agreed with Bush or Reagan?

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“Do YOU know anything except the ‘talkin pts” you have been brainwashed to regurgitate?”

You mean like the fact that the Reagan amnesty plan included significant penalties for companies that hire illegals…penalties that our federal government has steadfastly refused to enforce? Is that what you mean?

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They Both Suck…

“without knowing you, I would say she makes MUCH more than you ever have or will…………………….”

Having admitted you don’t know him, doesn’t that make part 2 of your statement pretty damn stupid?

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@GW

You cry about Dems… Cry about them all and stop being a regurgitating macaw…….

If it is such a big deal to call out Dems (who I agree have done nothing more than Repubs) than call them all out

A few Repubs in Congress crying about illegals doesn’t in itself mean you have all Repubs and the votes to do ANYTHING

Neither Party is going to do enough on this issue for it to matter………… Sad thing is that you are so brainwashed with ‘talking pts’ you actually believe because you heard it on Fox or your favorite pundit say it, that Repubs are going to do something meaningful about the situation. Bush and 6 yrs of Repubs did no more than Obama has done.

They USED you for votes just like Dems use their constituency for votes.

Welcome to the world of BIG BOY POLITICS

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keep- that liberal ACLU is likely the protector of the privacy rights of that 6 yr old in the airport.

So your PC run-amuck rules that caused the child to be search will now be protected by the liberal protector of scumbags everywhere. Here’s your sign.

Also good to hear our schools are supported by all the illegal land owners.

Fences are nice but I’m more for the cheap ammunition backing them up. It’s you’re empty threats that have gotten us into these situations. Maybe we could get the UN to pass some immigration resolutions for us. I’m sure that would solve the problem.

PS: I’m for freedom. The communists are still on your big government side.

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They BOTH suck….. I am not saying that either party has done more than the others. However I know my feelings about illegal immigration and that was what I was mentioning. Nothing more…..nothing less.

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They BOTH suck…

You said it, not me.

next

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“Previously, Republicans such as Orrin Hatch and John McCain were sponsors of the DREAM Act. But, deferring to their nativist constituencies, they walked away from it.”

Or maybe, just MAYBE, they got the message delivered in the recent election?

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@GW

I hear you and you have that right to feel that way. I’m just stating the facts that based on your posts you have made it sound like a one way street. The right has done no more than the left.

One side wants voters, the other wants cheap labor.

Once again, I say deport them all and go after every business that profits from their employment

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they Both- Was he a liberal?

In many aspects yes. Medicare D: terrible socialist program nobdy wanted. TARP: terrible program that wasn’t needed.

Bush spennt most of his time trying to appease the Demwits and all they did was stab him in the back for it.

Now we have the evil teleprompter taking the worst of Bush and expanding it. At least the Demwits had enough sense to go temporarily go back to Republican economics before their own brilliant economic ideas collapsed the economy.

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“Once again, I say deport them all and go after every business that profits from their employment”

Once again, I say deport them and go after every Democrat taht solicited their (illegal) votes.

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“So go after ALL the businesses and fine them or not?”

I am on record many times stating my support for exactly that, as are most conservatives.

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HDB- What really needs to be done first is the following:

What about the next 20m illegals because we still haven’t fixed the problem?

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@HC

How many suits have their been besides Arizona and how have the suits prevented these municipalities from enacting these laws?

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No Harry…as usual you are shooting blanks.

Every time a state violates the US Constitution by infringing on the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government, the DOJ brings an action to uphold the constitution.

The states have all sorts of ways of controlling immigration in their powers like going after employers of undocumented workers, terminating their tax credits, arresting employers violating laws.

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HC and They BOTH – I’m with you. Enforce the law we already have that prohibits the hiring of illegal immigrants and hit the violators with stiff penalties. When the supply of jobs for illegals dries up, the flow of illegals should also radiply dwindle. We just need to enforce the immigration laws we already have.

I’m also for only granting public school enrollment, rent assistance, food stamps and all other forms of public assistance that my tax dollars pay for to documented, legal residents of this country.

I have nothing against citizens of other countries looking to better their lives – as long as they are willing to enter the country LEGALLY.

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“Every time a state violates the US Constitution by infringing on the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government”

Now that is the liberal thought process. Federal government or judges over states rights.

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Mystified

December 21st, 2010
3:56 pm
I posted 3 proposals by the conservatives. How many constitutes a plan?

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willie…now there is the neocon non-thought process….ignore the US Constitution…and by the way, you lost a war over the issue. The Federal Government is the supreme government. Do try to learn history and about the US.

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I think the borders should be secure. Think about it, if they were secure,Europeans wouldn’t have killed the Natives and taken their land!
Africans wouldn’t have been treated like animals…in this country that is.

Securing the borders to keep Mexicans out should be our first priority. Our second should be building time machines to correct history’s mistakes. Shame on you kunservatives for acting as if you are superior.
The price WILL be paid one day.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 21st, 2010
4:02 pm
We in the South get reminded of it often and we are still paying for it. Illegals have more rights. However the constitution does allow for to pull away or change the federal government by force if necessary if it becomes a despot. We may try again.

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Willie…you are wrong but if you are threatening overthrow of the federal govt, be clearer or we will all know you are a wimp.

We have a lawfully elected government not a “despot”.

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Secure the border means just that. No one gets through.

Enforce our laws and the illegals will self deport. Easy.

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deport xenophobia

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-illegals do take away from our workforce

Your “Dream Act” would let them become Soldier’s. The last time I checked, we had more than enough Americans willing to take those jobs. I won’t even go into the security aspects of what you Demwits are proposing…

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Cynthia – “Do they plan to round them all up and deport them?”

No, Cynthia. That should be clear by now.

“f so, at what cost — financially and spiritually?”

See above.

“Are we prepared to pay that? ”

See above, Cynthia.

“Are we prepared to witness armed federal agents breaking down doors to drag children out of their homes?”

Come ‘on, really? No. Again, see above.

“What’s the GOP plan for the 11 million or so illegal immigrants already here?”

Make it harder for them to get jobs. Require employers to screen prospective employees to verify legal status. Impose penalties on business that hire illegals.

Its simple really.

Cynthia does nothing but stir the puddin’ when she writes peices like this.

/driveby

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Cynthia,

you know the Republicans don’t plan on doing anything but give tax breaks to their donors and talk smack about how terrible the Democrats are. The real question is, “Why should they?”

The Democrats actually have changed things (healthcare, finreg, the wars, recession bailouts) and it got them put out of office even though they helped the majority of Americans.

People are easily convinced that any change is bad even if its not. The easiest way to get elected is to do nothing so you have no positions to be held accountable for. That, and incompetence, is why Palin quit. There’s no way she could cater to the Republican base and actually govern. Let’s see how popular she’d be in Alaska if she denied unemployment and pork spending to appease the extreme right.

She’s better off on TV upping her profile while Obama gets beat up for making tough decisions.

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CT; When the rate of illegals gets down to the same % or number that cross into the country of N. Korea; then our border will be secure. A small percentage will still get in illegal that is a given but it will be an insignificant number. This is what all Americans should want. The avenue to citizenship through the legal process can then be increased as can be assimulated.

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Saint Reagan, a republican let them in and the republicans haven’t done anything real to kick them out and never will. because the republican party is for corporations and ceo’s first and only! just look at the rise in gas prices. if you are middle class and you support the republican party you are an idiot. you may need to look that word up but it describes you best for your shoot yourself in the foot mentality. to hate more than you are willing to think should be a sin.

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Why do liberals like Cynthia T., etc. care more about illegal aliens than they do those who stay in their respective country and try to get into the US the legal way? Why do liberal supporters of the DREAM act care more about the children of illegal aliens than they do the children of those who try to get in legally? I have a novel plan for not just the GOP, but the entire country – follow the law and deport everyone in this country illegally. And do it quickly.

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The Muslims are laughing their abzebs off watching us P.C. our Dumb a’s into oblivion…there WAS once upon a time when we could afford this kind of idiotic debate…it’s gone…survival of the fittest and you libs are going first.

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Our culture is not changing. It has changed and will continue to change because the world is changing. The definition of minority will soon have the opposite meaning that it does today.

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“ronald First of all “America,” is a continental distinction. Assuming that the majority of IAs are Mexicans, these Mexicans are “Americans” also.

Kam- I’m not sure I agree with you on this one. I feel “Americans” is the term to describe the citizens of the United States of America. Mexicans are absolutely not also Americans.

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Seth:
Not to worry. The Dream Act will be law before the next election. Possibly very soon after the new census figures are digested. Neither party can ignore the growing Hispanic vote.

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Give deportation a chance!

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I Report,

Usually I think your an a-hole, but that made me laugh.

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The only way the DREAM act is acceptable is if it is written so that those “children” (a 29 year old is not a child in my book) who benefit from the DREAM act are not allowed to sponsor ANYONE, EVER for citizenship. There would be no “hardship exemptions”. Then it would truly be a bill for the “children” but that’s not what the liberal pro-illegal faction wants. They want a back door amnesty…even if it takes 20 years the people who brought these children here illegally are still being rewarded in the DREAM act as it now stands.

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GOP Plan: Boot-n-shoot!

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Oh please do cite us to the “trick provision” or is this just another “death panel” lie?

Willie and JKL2 are for the overthrow of the lawful government if they dont get their way….any other?

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Cynthia must not understand the word ILLEGAL.
It is a hard word for a pultizer prize winner.
Maybe she can get a job in congress — they think the word refers to sick eagles.

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GOP plan for illegal immigration? Get them illegals hired at a fraction of the cost of current citizen workers. Cha-ching!

Dem plan? Get them illegals citizenship so they can get them benefits easier. Cha-ching!

All the talk is bluster and BS. The plan is quite simple: NORTH AMERICAN UNION. Make some room on that there Stars and Stripes, would ya? Need more stars….

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When they deport all of the Mexicans, let’s send along a good portion of all of the blubber butt welfare brood mares that seem to be captivating the system. Talk about saving money. Let’s see how they like it in Mexico where all of their “benefits” will go up in smoke.

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Treat them the same way the Mexicans would treat you if you were illegal in their country!

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I want to be Cynthia Tucker’s yard boy!

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keep- JKL2 are for the overthrow of the lawful government if they dont get their way

Your backward again. I don’t want to overthrow the government. I want it to function as it was created to do (God forbid your employer would ever expect you to do YOUR job). Way too many politicians have forgotten who they work for. That’s how we end up with a president like obama who only sees the Constitution as an impediment rather than the guiding document for his job.

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“potential model students”— I think potential is the key word here.

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There’s no such thing as hos-pice for federal bureaucracies. No quiet corner where bureaus who have outlived their usefulness can go to bravely face the end. The undead need no such niceties; not when they can leap vampire-like upon the next great sector of American life and proceed to suck it dry in the name of “public interest”, “fair play”, or any other euphemistic glamour the Executive and Legislative branches can be lulled into. – By Rep. Marsha Blackburn

Sounds rather ghastly, don’t it?

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What’s the GOP plan for illegal immigrants? CINDY , the answer is simple – send them back from where they came and prosecute those that give them safe haven including employers.

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The failure of the DREAM Act was an early Christmas gift for the American taxpayers. As for these students, and all the other illegal aliens, it’s time to return to your own Country. If you pack and leave now, you can be home for Christmas, or at least by New Year’s Day. You must understand by now, there will be NO AMNESTY, and things may be getting really rough come the end of January. The Republicans will be in charge of Congress and many States will be passing some form of the Arizona Law, SB 1070. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and go home. If you are here ILLEGALLY, this is not your home. Have a safe trip.

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The ONLY path to living legally in the USA is to return to your Country of origin, or the Country of origin of your parents who have been in violation of the law for way too many years, and apply for a Visa at the US Embassy.

It is a clear path to Citizenship. It has worked for many years for many people. Thinking that somehow the US Government will suddenly say ” all forgiven” is a pipe dream. Do things right. It works for millions, it can work for you. But if you are so foolish to believe somehow, after all the disrespect shown by illegal criminal to the American people, any law that illegals demand will ever happen, you are truely disconnected from reallity.

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Tucker, like a collge sophmore, overimpressed with her newfound brilliance keeps using “nativist” to describe those who oppose illegal immigration. If Tucker were not a partisan hack with limited intellectual range, she would know that the republicans are not “nativist”. The issue is not birth but legal or illegal status. She might not know better but it seems that she would rather pander than inform.

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@Wilma

Do you think Wooten, Wingfield and Barr pander or inform?

They come from a right leaning view point and express it just as CT does from the left.

They call these type of articles, EDITORIALS……………

You can argue the person’s premise but the whole intent is meant to be an opinion of some sort.

Each one might think they are the “news” but they are not.

Hopefully you haven’t been confused about this issue. Editorials, talk radio, blogs are usually about opinion. They have all been around in some form or another for years

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Regardless of how old they were when illegally brought here, THEY ARE STILL ILLEGAL AND AS SUCH ARE CRIMINAL! THE ONLY REFORM NEEDED IN IMMIGRATION LAW/POLICY IS TO REMOVE ALL ILLEGALS EITHER VOLUNTARILY OR FORCEFULLY, THEN ENFORCE THE BORDERS WITH ANY AND ALL MEANS AVAILABLE!!!!!!!!!

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The trick is the statute – and since you chose to ignore it – it’s a trick as far as you are concerned.

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williebkind @ 4:07 pm
We in the South get reminded of it often and we are still paying for it. Illegals have more rights. However the constitution does allow for to pull away or change the federal government by force if necessary if it becomes a despot. We may try again.

JKL2 @ 4;17
Willie-I’m with you. States give the federal government their power. This simple fact has been perverted for so long most people think it’s the opposite now. AZ has come forward and said “since the feds aren;t interested in doing the job they were hired for, we’ll do it for them”. Now the feds (in true union fashion) are telling them they can;t do that(trying to protect their own job security).

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Now JKL what exactly do you and Willie agree on? Willie is suggesting that there is a constitutional right to and threatening a right to violently overthrow a duly elected lawful government. So let’s be very clear. You claim you dont want to overthrow the government. There are many home grown terrorist who take comfort in suggestions that because they believe that gov’t is not doing what they want, they may use violence to get what they want. I certainly would not want you to be supporting terrorists or other similar kooks.

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I didn’t think you’d ever been in the library. Mine are all red.

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Another day, another Tucker nativist, racist, any-ist/ism article about republicans. You are one judgmental and angry black woman towards those who don’t see the ‘perfection’ you espouse for our country. You might need to finally see someone about that ma’am. Hope I helped you….

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Common Sence:

Sorry my relatives are all working and as far as I know, none are in jail.

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@Billybob

Would the articles from Wingfield, Barr and Wooten are facts or opinions?

CT is an editoralist like them if you didn’t know.

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Oh yes:

“Are we prepared to witness armed federal agents breaking down doors to drag children out of their homes?”

CT: Why does Elian (sp) Gonzales come to mind?

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The GOP plan for illegal immigrants is the same as the
democrats plan and businesses plan…Use them to enrich
the treasuries of all concerned…working so far..

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TBS,
First two sentences were facts based on continual reading of Tucker’s posts. Third sentence was my opinion to try to help the woman. No crying here, just exposing the complete biased contempt from this lady. People have a choice, in regards to politics, in this country and I help enlighten people to the stark diferrence between liberal and conservative based on tucker’s own words. She follows a far left playbook which is easy to define, just like the ‘comeback kid’ post, which was repeated almost word for word on a huge number of lamestream media shows…almost like someone sent out an MO to push this all across the lamestream media? Hmmmm……FYI, I love bar-b-que…..

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Oh yes..the playbook with matching set of cards. What you seem to ignore Billybob is that the left, liberals, progressive and Dems dont have Fox to give them their marching orders or to tell the media which are permitted words and which are not…the “so-called” real reporting that is missing from Fox.

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TBS,
I know the difference b/t news and opinion, which is why I give mine to tucker….she is consumed with calling republicans every ‘ism’ she can think of and that is a fact, not opinion.
KUTGF,
I watch all networks and make up my own opinion. You are right, the other 98% of the media which is left leaning follow each others left views…..

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“Please tell me of another country that bends over backwards to accommodate people who knowingly and willingly violate its immigration laws…”

Who welcomed the pilgrims off the Mayflower?? Boy I tell ya, they should have REALLY been the savages they were later painted to be. Many of you would not be here.

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Please don’t associate your expensive Christmas holiday with me. I would in no way, shape or form condone falsehoods like Santa Clause and flying reindeer, or paganism like Christmas trees (huh???) as a representation of ME.

Thanks, and good night.

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How does an “idiot” like CT (their words, not mine) garner hundreds of posts per blog?

Meanwhile in Wingfield and Boortz land, crickets…

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TBS,
Never said it was a one way street and never implied there aren’t crazy views on both sides. I do believe, however, that Tucker and the far left are denying their social justice, redistribution views are socialist. These views are rooted in socialism. That is a fact. That is the problem I have with Tucker and I do not see the far right advocating the total transformation of our republic from a capitalist democracy to a socialist country based on the far left’s idea of ‘fairness’…..BUT, I do see president barrack hussein obama espouse these very views in his policy as well as his own words. There is a big difference b/t the two…

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It would be impossible to deport them all, but we need to get the worst of them out of here, as Obama is doing. Like so many other issues, the GOP is clueless and just pandering to its base. The Dream Act seems reasonable enough as stated, but what about the fine print and eventual regulations? The ones that are here need to be given the opportunity to come out of the shadows and stop living in fear if they haven’t broken any other laws.

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@Billy

Well CT works for a for profit business. Free Enterprise and is hired to tout her view no matter how far left. I don’t agree with half of what she says, but she does her job very well, no different than Krauthimer, Limbuagh, Wooten, etc. They do what they are paid to do: preach to the choir and incite those who believe differently. To do this they use hyperbole, lie, evade certain issues that might make them look bad and basically entertain much more than they inform with facts.

As for Obama, yes he is more far left than Bush who was a clown regardless of his politics, but socialism didn’t come along when he showed up.

Heck to garner more support from farmers Bush and the a Repub Congress gave out the largest farm subsidy increases in history before the mid terms in 2002. Is that not socalism?

Bush signed into law the prescription drug bill? Is that not socialism?

He spoke of less spending and less government, yet he presided over the debt doubling and government grew under Bush……. Did the same under Reagan?

I’m not defending Obama or the Democrats but saying that looking at everything through a left or right prism isn’t going to solve all the ills of this country…… and that goes for both sides.

It is just as easier for me as it is for you to throw verbal and written jabs at politicians from both sides, but we do not wear their shoes. Those guys are making so many deals that who really knows where either of them stand over any period of time.

Both Parties talk the talk to rile up their base but do most really mean it or does it make for great talking pts to get out the vote and raise money?

I’m no big Obama fan but surely wasn’t a fan of Bush either.

THEY are politicians and lying for most is 2nd nature.

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@Billybob

Thanks for the debate. As a non Christian who doesn’t like other non Christians crying about Christmas, let me extend you a very Merry Christmas to you and your family

Great time to enjoy friends and family and even if in a small way help someone that is less fortunate than we might be.

Keep fighting the good fight for what you believe. We may not agree on much but that is ok…………….

This is America and we can do that…

Peace out

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What part of “we want more Democrat voters” do you not understand?

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they Both- you proudly voted for Bush, yet cry about Obama

Bush had hope but ended doing some dumb things. Obama started out a used car salesman (sorry for the stereotype used car salespeople) and has done nothing to prove otherwise. Bush was a leader. Obama couldn’t order lunch without an opinion poll and a teleprompter.

I didn’t vote for the idiot to be senator let alone president. I wish we could still be living off the coattails of Reagan and laugh our way thru this like Clinton did. Unfortunately times have changed and obama’s inexperience is glaringly obvious. I only wish he would have been elected because of the content of his character and not the color of his skin.

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they Both- Bush signed into law the prescription drug bill? Is that not socialism?

He took the idea away from the Dems. Horrible program nobody wanted.

- he presided over the debt doubling and government grew Ever heard of 9/11? Some of that was a necesary evil. Reagan spent money but got rid of the USSR. All obama can say he’s done is bow to any third world dictator who let him stop by.

The difference between the two is Bush tried to do what he thought was best for the country. Obama couldn’t care less what the people think. He’s a proven liar who’s only out to force his ideology on us the best he can.

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@JKL2

Speaking of used car salesmen, except for the Rangers which was a deal that was made up of Daddy’s oil buddies and utilized imminent domain to get the land ( are you for imminent domain?) Bush was the owner, partner or major investor of several failed businesses. I believe all except the Rangers which he was just the front-man not majority owner FAILED……………

So utilizing business as a knock on Obama is valid seeing he didn’t work much in the private business.. However Bush wouldn’t be a poster child based on his record either..

YOU can look this up

How bout this for used car salesmen? A man bought a ranch in 1999 at the time he was running for President. He went from the Big City and the country clubs to this ranch to sell the people he was just like them………… It worked. THey would picture him in a truck or shots of him walking by a creek. After serving his terms he went DIRECTLY back to the country clubs of Dallas. yes you hero BUSH.

Granted his choice and money, but that is about as USED CAR SALESMAN as one can get

Merry Christmas

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I hope the GOP plan is to enforce the laws we have, secure the border (as in a big fence and real enforcement) and then we’ll talk about the millions of illegals here in the country. To pass legislation with goodies or amnesty before doing the above is stupid and self-destructive. What part of BROKE do the dems not get. Stop spending money we don’t have for people that shouldn’t be here in the first place.

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To be considered ineffective and disappointing Obo has accomplished two things Clinton couldn’t; health insurance reform and gays in the military. Not to mention ending a recession in just one quarter with a modest stimulus plan. Stimulus II should at least make sure we don’t dip into another recession and could do a lot more, like put millions back to work. If the Senate ratifies the Start II changes his future might look a little brighter.

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Actually Dolemite Hussein lost 66 house seats because his stimulus..didn’t…and a good deal of the loss can also be put on his very unpopular and expensive healthcare debacle which was all for naught when the USSC votes 5-4 to kill the Individual mandate..

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copied from AJC who, no doubt ,copied from someone else…

Yet another Democratic legislator switched to the Republican Party this week, moving the GOP a little closer to having the two-thirds majority in the House needed to pass constitutional amendments without any help from Democrats.

Rep. Mike Cheokas of Americus joined a crowd of white, non-metro Atlanta Democrats who have switched since the November elections.

There are now 114 Republicans in the House, with 63 Democrats and one independent. Two seats are currently vacant.

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libs have a funny thesarus..their version considers comprehensive to be synonymous with REMOVAL, undocumented with ILLEGAL and mexican national with U.S. CITIZEN

Yes we do need to punish the illegals’ employers, but we also need to be draconian in punishing the illegal workers also. I like the idea of a big red W tatooed on their forehead after first detention, then they will be easily verifiable should they try to sneak in again(or under obama’s watch, just walk across the border while TSA Dyke Napolitano serenades them with mariachi music and obama admin officials hand out democrat voting guides and bottled water).

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Your arguments against immigration will be rendered mute. Deal with it. Latinos are taking over and will rule the USA with compassion in due time, something conservative christians lack in. Feliz Navidad.

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CT, GG and the rest of their group paint the conservatives as mean spirited and without compassion. I would love to be a fly on the wall and watch any one of them in line at a restaurant and see how they would handle other people coming in and breaking in front of them over and over and over. I bet all of that “fairness” would go out the window in a hurry.

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Cut of welfare to ILLEGALS and go after the enablers like sanctuary cities, crooked employers and get the Mexican government out of our internal affairs for heavens sake! Also it would be nice if our federal government would quit funding racist groups like La Raza (The Race) with grants from taxpayers! Number 1, start ENFORCING our laws against ILLEGAL immigration!

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