What’s the GOP plan for illegal immigrants?

Over the weekend, the Senate refused to pass the DREAM Act, which would have put no more than a million young illegal immigrants — potential model citizens — on the path to legal status. As I wrote recently:

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) has called the bill a “reckless proposal for mass amnesty.” It is nothing of the sort. It’s a narrowly tailored measure that would apply only to people under the age of 30, who came to the U.S. before they were 16, and who’ve lived here at least five years. The vast majority of them were brought to this country by their parents when they were too young to know anything about immigration laws.
The legislation requires them to complete two years of college or military service and to abide by other laws to be eligible for a ten-year conditional residency. Because of its requirements, immigration experts think that about 800,000 illegal immigrants would ultimately be eligible.
After ten years, DREAM Act beneficiaries could apply for permanent residency. After five years of permanent residency, they could apply for citizenship.
That series of steps — at least fifteen years before citizenship, according to DREAM Act provisions — gives the lie to the claim that beneficiaries could become immediate sponsors to their undocumented family members. They couldn’t. Besides, any family member who came here illegally has to go back to his country for ten years. That’s 15 years before an undocumented mother or father has a prayer at U.S. citizenship.

Previously, Republicans such as Orrin Hatch and John McCain were sponsors of the DREAM Act. But, deferring to their nativist constituencies, they walked away from it.

So, here’s the question: What’s the GOP plan for the 11 million or so illegal immigrants already here? Do they plan to round them all up and deport them? If so, at what cost — financially and spiritually? If we were to attempt such at thing, it would cost hundreds of billions. Are we prepared to pay that? Are we prepared to witness armed federal agents breaking down doors to drag children out of their homes?

GOP officials continue to insist that the US must “secure its border” before they will consider any sort of immigration reform. Here’s another question: What’s the definition of “secure border”? President Obama has presided over a record number of deportations, far more than were carried out under President Bush.

He has also Increased border patrol agents. According to PolitiFact,

The 2011 proposed budget, for example, includes $94 million to expand the number of Customs and Border Patrol officers — putting the country on target to reach Bush’s goal of 20,000 officers. Between 2007 and 2011, the Border Patrol budget increased from $2.3 billion to $3.6 billion. The budget for inspections at ports of entry increased from $1.8 billion in 2007 to $2.9 billion in 2011. In addition, Obama’s proposed 2011 budget calls for $1.6 billion for customs enforcement programs to identify and remove illegal aliens who commit crimes; and $137 million to expand immigration-related verification programs.

If that’s not good enough, Republicans need to let the country know, specifically, what they plan to do about illegal immigration.

518 comments Add your comment

Bob

December 21st, 2010
7:57 am

They can make rules such as fining landlords that rent to illegals. Of coarse that will be overturned by a judge.

Peadawg

December 21st, 2010
7:58 am

“What’s the GOP plan for illegal immigrants?” = Certainly not anything like the DREAM which is nothing more than a glorified short cut for those lawbreaking, undocumented Democrats.

Keep up the good fight!

December 21st, 2010
7:59 am

Let’s get the idiotic statement out of the way: “What part of illegal don’t you understand?”

Oh, btw, liberals, progressives and Dems fully understand what “illegal” means and what realities are. But let’s hear about that “dang fence” and other wasted money that means more government spending without realistic results.

Peadawg

December 21st, 2010
8:00 am

What they NEED to do is to start going after those who hire illegal immigrants and starting fining the hell out of them. Then since nobody would hire them, they would stop coming over illegally.

Keep up the good fight!

December 21st, 2010
8:02 am

What’s the matter Pea…the “principles” of the Republicans and the extreme Christians are so weak that they cannot attract new minds and bodies that can judge them for what they are?

Bob

December 21st, 2010
8:04 am

SUMMARY: Two weeks ago, a panel from the Third Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a District Court decision to require the City of Hazleton, PA, to pay $2.4 million in legal fees to Pedro Lozano, Casa Dominicana of Hazleton Inc., Hazleton Hispanic Business Association and the Pennsylvania Statewide Latino Coalition incurred when they challenged the constitutionality of certain Hazleton ordinances which in 2007 the Third Circuit had already found to be unconstitutional.

The ordinances in question sought to fine landlords for renting to undocumented aliens, deny businesses permits for employing undocumented aliens, and authorized the town to investigate the legal status of an employee or tenant upon the request of any citizen, business, or organization. Hazleton’s misguided efforts sought to curb an influx of potentially undocumented aliens, attributing an increase in crime and use of the town’s public services to those individuals. The Circuit Court had found that the town could not enact such ordinances as they were pre-empted by federal law.

So under this ruling, local gov cannot even deny a biz permit to employers that break the law. Somehow the judges found this in the constitution.

ajcs

December 21st, 2010
8:04 am

as the GOP has been trying to do for years, make the INS (or whatever its called these days) more transparent and more efficient, but that funding has been continually cut off. As the son of an immigrant, I do not think that people should be rewarded for beating the system by being placed in line ahead of those trying to do the right thing and go through the system. and I do not let the GOP off, because they have continually blocked efforts to fine businesses that hire illegals (along with the dems, but that is no excuse).

this country will fail if we dont have a constant influx of hard working immigrants, but we must stand up for our laws.

ajcs

December 21st, 2010
8:05 am

and good morning “keep up the good fight”!!

ajcs

December 21st, 2010
8:06 am

and that fence, while it needs to be there, should be our last line of defense.

granny godzilla

December 21st, 2010
8:06 am

The GOP opposition to the DREAM Act is incredibly foolish.

FOX NEWS’ JUAN WILLIAMS says:

The one thing that I regret…is the defeat of the DREAM Act for the immigrants and the immigrant kids. I just think, again, Republicans play politics with real lives, real people, real aspirations and they leave the immigration issue on the table when that’s the real business of the American people.

Now, I’m not a fan of Williams or Fox, but every now and again they get
something correct.

resno2

December 21st, 2010
8:07 am

Hundreds of billions? Is that another CBO estimate?

If there are 11 million, or so, illegals here (and that estimate is probably low-balled by quite a bit), and the DREAM Act would affect 800,000 or so, what was the Democrats plan for the other 10+ million? Or was this going to be the anchor baby concept in reverse?

ajcs

December 21st, 2010
8:08 am

“keep up” – you mean the principles that now almost 70% of americans buy into? check the latest polls. people in the middle saw what a progressive really is, and they do not like it. that is why a significant portion of them are now turning to the right. sounds like they got a taste of the koolaid and didnt like it.

Keep up the good fight!

December 21st, 2010
8:08 am

Bob, yep, that pesky old Constitution in the way? Are you suggesting that it be ignored?

Enforce the laws on employment and go after the employers. There are other lawful ways states and towns can target landlords and employers.

Good Grief

December 21st, 2010
8:09 am

I can’t speak as a representative of the GOP, as I am not Republican, but I can say what I would do, as a Libertarian, to “secure the border.”

I would bring back the troops from Iraq and begin a gradual withdrawal from Afghanistan, and then put those soldiers on the border, and have them working in the airports doing the job of the TSA. At least our soldiers know who we are fighting, and doubt very seriously that they would pat down an 83-year-old grandmother for the sake of politically correct fairness.

As for the DREAM Act, its only a dream for liberals who see more potential votes bought through handouts and promises of fast-track citizenship.

And don’t give us the “potential model citizens” line. Anyone is a “potential model citizens.” Hardened criminals “potentially” won’t commit crimes again. Should we let them go based on “potential?”

Keep up the good fight!

December 21st, 2010
8:10 am

Well then ajcs the right wing should not be afraid to let their ideas compete in the market place of ideas and we can stop hearing about how this group or that will be “dems”, “liberals” or some other label to be feared.

james

December 21st, 2010
8:11 am

we should continue a few really smart things. First, let’s continue to allow illegals to stream in the country. Second, we should continue to really focus on geriatrics and children in airport screening. Third, let’s kick dirt in the fact of immigrants attempting to achieve citizenship the correct way. Reminds me a lot of the mentality of Rumsfield- bravo narrow minded far left- you have indeed become Rumsfield.

Call it like it is

December 21st, 2010
8:11 am

Its a tired worn out story. We have laws, you either follow them or you don’t. You and your ilk may not like them Tucker but they are there none the less. Why should our country change the rules for those who cross our borders? Sour the milk that they feed off of and they will go home. And of course there would never be any issues with the 2 years of college. I mean there is just no way that any of the fine teachers out in the midwest would say just push these guys through just so they could become a citizen………..right?

Peadawg

December 21st, 2010
8:14 am

And one more then…2 years of college hardly means anything these days. IF this thing ever passes it should be ATLEAST a 4 year degree.

james

December 21st, 2010
8:14 am

here is the mind of the far left- if you are white you are somehow responsible for the actions for some random great great uncle and owe reparations- if you are the child of an illegal you should receive a pass… hmmmm

Gm

December 21st, 2010
8:15 am

Let see, Rep party of satan, they were against dont ask dont tell, 911 workers helping the ground zero people getting help, unemployment benefits for layed off workers, dream act, treaty with Russia, health care.
They fought tooth and nail for tax cuts for the rich, when will poor white middle class conservatives wake up? and stop being pimped by satan and his rep party.
These people dont care about Americans, Obama has done more in 2 years then Clinton, Bush has done in 16 years plus he is getting it done with 2 wars going on.

Good Grief

December 21st, 2010
8:15 am

I have some sympathy for the children in these cases, I truly do. But not for people like Jessica Colotl. She knew she was here illegally, and even though she did not knowingly committ the crime in coming here, she continued to behave in an illegal manner afterwards. That makes her just as guilty. The crime isn’t lessened because she didn’t know it was a crime when she was three. How many three year olds understand immigration law? But when you’re around 20 years old (give or a take a couple years) you know your legal status in the country. But according to past articles by CT and those like her, Colotl should be respected and wished the best because she was trying to be a better person. All the same, she was here illegally. That fact will not go away.

resno2

December 21st, 2010
8:16 am

I wonder how much HOPE scholarship/tax money has gone to these ‘potential model citizens’?

granny godzilla

December 21st, 2010
8:17 am

What’s with the GOP and children?

We had to drag them kicking and screaming to SCHIP, they just obstructed a child marriage bill in the congress AND now they
stand in the way of the good thing that is the DREAM Act.

Family Values? Oh hell no, they ain’t got no family values!

Keep up the good fight!

December 21st, 2010
8:18 am

Reminds me a lot of the mentality of Rumsfield- bravo narrow minded far left- you have indeed become Rumsfield

Oh noes…..now the left is being called names of the former heros of the right whose failures have become evident? If you call us Cheney, thems are fighting words for the ilk!

Pea, whether its 2 or 4 years can be negotiated. The concept is still viable.

Peadawg

December 21st, 2010
8:21 am

“Pea, whether its 2 or 4 years can be negotiated. The concept is still viable.” – Make it 4 years and I MIGHT be on board.

granny godzilla

December 21st, 2010
8:22 am

Can Sarah Palin field dress the ilk?

The Nerve

December 21st, 2010
8:23 am

One small step here….at least you called them illegal immigrants.

Keep up the good fight!

December 21st, 2010
8:23 am

You’re right Grief. I mean when those kids are young and brought into this country and spend 10-20 years of their lives here, then they hit 20…yep they know they are illegal and they should just want to leave and go back to a country they have never really known and give up what they call home.

I mean in this country a legal citizen age 4 can commit a felony and not be held legally responsible but we can hold that 4 year old responsible for the crime of their parents. Silly.

resno2

December 21st, 2010
8:25 am

I haven’t’ read it, but I would imagine that the Dream Act has a lot more ‘detail’ than what has been reported by the MSM and announced by the Democrats in general. Maybe, just maybe, those damn kid hating GOP’ers actually read the bill and didn’t like some of the details.

Republican Free Speech Committee

December 21st, 2010
8:26 am

FOX NEWS’ JUAN WILLIAMS says:

The one thing that I regret…is the defeat of the DREAM Act for the immigrants and the immigrant kids. I just think, again, Republicans play politics with real lives, real people, real aspirations and they leave the immigration issue on the table when that’s the real business of the American people.

If he keeps talking like that he might just have to get fired.

james

December 21st, 2010
8:28 am

KUTGF- not fighting words- observation from one who either laughs or detests the thought processes of the far left and far right which is they make the decisions, are not held accountable (ever), other folks must pay for their imperial decisions, and have the ability to come audit whoever they want, whenever they want. Chicken coops are missile silos and illegal acts are not illegal acts. very much the same.

Good Grief

December 21st, 2010
8:28 am

Granny – I do not blame GWB for vetoing the attempts to expand SCHIP, claiming them to be attempts to federalize health care. Some of us do not hold to the Daschle model of “You don’t professionalize until you federalize.” Some of us on the conservative side actually think that the private sector could do some good. Too bad a loud voice on the left demonizes the private sector. President Obama has even referred to working in the private sector as spending time behind enemy lines. That makes businesses love the left, let me tell you.

As for the Child Marriage Bill, the bill stalled because it failed to receive two-thirds in the House, it it wasn’t exactly a unified move by the GOP to defeat it. Also, just exactly how many countries follow American law? I’m not saying it’s a bad bill, but I hear liberals talk about taking care of our problems at home, and then they get upset when we don’t push through a bill aimed above and beyond our own borders.

As for the DREAM Act, see my above comments concerning legality and Jessica Colotl. Some of us on the right actually do care about these kids, but there’s too much leeway in the DREAM Act to allow for near blanket amnesty for some of these ‘immigrants.’

Good Grief

December 21st, 2010
8:30 am

Keep Up @ 8:23 – So you’re saying if a child is in a perpetual criminal situation, and when they come to the understanding that they are in that situation, they should be given free reign to continue in that behavior?

granny godzilla

December 21st, 2010
8:31 am

Good Grief

I very strongly disagree with you right down the line, but I appreciate your reasoned response.

A Lumpkin Resident

December 21st, 2010
8:32 am

The plan: make it illegal to hire them, make it illegal to rent to them, don’t provide free medical care. Make it impossible for them to live here so that they will leave on their own.

Boehner stole Beck's act.

December 21st, 2010
8:33 am

The conservatives are trying to torpedo Obama’s chances for a second term. It’s not the Dream Act they’re against: It’s the American Dream. Oh, they love OUR american dream; it’s THEIR american dream they fear.

Good Grief

December 21st, 2010
8:34 am

Thank you Granny. Sometimes we can have reasoned discussion here. Of course, we get those wonderful people like Gm who spout off about the GOP being the ‘party of satan’ and that does not engender reasoned discussion.

If we don’t get to type to each toher again, Granny, I hope you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Keep up the good fight!

December 21st, 2010
8:35 am

Grief, well sure. I mean if a 4 year old is forced to be a prostitute until age 18, then after that still does it…its that child’s fault in your eyes for continuing that perpetual criminal situation. Let’s lock up that child and not give them any help at all. In fact, that child must quit all criminal activity and then apply for help.

Silly arguments. Give the child a chance to become a citizen based on their actual behavior once they come of legal age.

Billyboy

December 21st, 2010
8:37 am

Go CT! Everybody knows the “R”s only plan when it means money in their pocket. Only Obama has a true plan and will give immigrants what that need. Vote Obama in 2012!

ajcs

December 21st, 2010
8:38 am

good grief and granny – please stop it. it is no fun when we all get along.

andygrdzki

December 21st, 2010
8:39 am

The problem with you Dems and Liberals is that you want all these programs passed, without any implementing programs… If it sounds like a good idea do it….. right
Just like the repeal of DADT. The President will soon sign that into law, okay. Now the services will have to figure out how to implement the law.. A few questions come to mind:
1. Will people that are tested positive for HIV be allowed into combat? If not is that not discriminatory…
2. If they are allowed into combat and they are wounded, will the medics or their fellow soldiers have face masks, rubber gloves and other protection necessary to reduce blood splatter?
3. If they contract HIV while on active duty, is that a service connected disability that we will pay for the rest of their lives?

A law was passed to protect the rights of gays and lesbians, what about the proctetion of the straight people in combat? And if you read the survey in detail, combat troops worried about this while the non-combat people did not have any real objection?

How many of you have been in the service, let alone combat? In combat, if you are injured, your buddies take care of you and they bandage you, now what? Should they risk their lives? How often will gays be tested for HIV? Or will that be against their constitutional rights?

Getting back to the Dream Act, right now I am looking at the cost? What will it cost us? And why to age 28? Dream Act for those that want to serve 4-6 years in the military… I would vote for it…. They are performing a service to the country and they deserve it. If they can fight and die, then they have proved their worth…..

If you want the Dream Act, the end the amnesty cities, enforce the laws, make them all register in order to be considered? Make them prove they will not be a drain on the tax payer…..

resno2

December 21st, 2010
8:41 am

obama is more than capable of torpedoing his chances in 2012 all by himself. He doesn’t need any help from the GOP.

granny godzilla

December 21st, 2010
8:42 am

andygrdzki

FROM TPM

Last night, the CBO released the long-awaited cost estimate of S. 3992, the latest version of the DREAM Act. The CBO found that putting thousands of young, undocumented immigrants on a path to legalization would reduce the deficit by $1.4 billion over ten years:

The increase in authorized workers would affect individual and corporate income taxes, as well as social insurance taxes. On balance, those changes would increase revenues by $2.3 billion over 10 years, according to estimates provided by the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT).

CBO and JCT estimate that enacting the bill would reduce deficits by about $1.4 billion over the 2011-2020 period. That result reflects an increase in on-budget deficits of about $1.4 billion over that period and a decrease in off-budget deficits of about $2.8 billion over the same period. Only the on-budget effects are counted for purposes of enforcing the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010.

AFTER YOU HAVE VERIFIED THIS INFO YOURSELF, can we count on your support?

jesus on the down-low

December 21st, 2010
8:44 am

Why are conservative christians so un-christian. What you do to the least of my brothers you do to me. Mi Country su Country. Open the borders, I’ve opened my house and my bedroom to illegals and have enjoyed the love-making and fellowship. God bless all his children and Feliz Navidad!

Bob

December 21st, 2010
8:45 am

Keep up, why not just shut the biz down if they continue to break the law ? Other companies get their license yanked for misdeeds, why not a biz that keeps hiring illegals ? Where in the constitution does it say local gov cannot regulate what companies get a license ?

Good Grief

December 21st, 2010
8:47 am

Keep Up – We’ve had this discussion before. Ignorance of the law does not equal absolution for breaking the law. Like I say, I have some sympathy for these kids. But that does not mean they get a free pass. And yeah, I doubt any of them will get up and go back to their country of origin.

But let’s play on your terms. What is legal age? Legal age to drive? Buy cigarettes? Buy alcohol? Legal to rent a car? What’s the limit? If we use the Colotl example, and the legal to drive condition, that means that Ms. Colotl has had six years to rectify her situation. Even if we use the legal to buy alcohol condition, she’d had over a year to make things right. How much leniency do we have to allow?

LeeH1

December 21st, 2010
8:47 am

To stop the drug trade, we need to stop the demand for drugs in the US. No market, no smuggling and crime.

To stop illegal immigration, stop the demand for illegal workers. No market, no illegals.

To pay for deporting illegal immigrants, we need to change the point of view. Instead of us trying to seal a border the other country wants to remain open, we need to convince them to seal it on thier side.

We’re capitalists, we should be able to find out how to makea buck out of this. How about charging the immigrant’s country the cost of repatriation, taken out of imports? Say, charge Mexico $2,000.00 for every Mexican deported. Very soon, Mexico will invest in putting up fences on their side ofthe border to keep their people from coming over to ours.

Even better, to keep our courts from being clogged with lengthy deportation hearings, we can charge Mexico for the cost of incarcerating the immigrants, leading their embassey to insist they plea bargain and accept deportation to get them out of the court system sooner.

This won’t work with Cubans, North Koreans or some other weird countries, but it would work for most of them.

Make the criminal pay. The US is the victim in this illegal immigration, so we should stop playing the helpless tool, and start becoming in control of the situation.

Road Scholar

December 21st, 2010
8:47 am

Boehmer: Good name! I could almost cry!

NO illegals

December 21st, 2010
8:51 am

illegals suck……………………………………………(period)

NO illegals

December 21st, 2010
8:51 am

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