‘Don’t ask’ consigned to history’s dust bin

Today, in an unusual Saturday session, the U.S. Senate abolished legally-sanctioned discrimination by the United States Armed Forces. Since the House has also voted to end it, the foolish “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy is assigned to the dustbin of history, along with the racially segregated Armed Forces, the belief that black men would be cowardly and unfit soldiers and the insistence that women could not fly combat aircraft.
The overwhelming vote, 65-31, came despite the statements of Marine Commandant James Amos, who insisted that a non-discriminatory Marine Corps will mean more dead U.S. Marines on the battlefield. That’s sheer and utter nonsense, more a testiment to his prejudices than to any evidence that gay Marines do not serve with courage and honor.
One of the more interesting and intellectually honest arguments that separates conservatives and liberals is over whether love of country must be unconditional. Many conservatives tend to argue that those of us who are constantly agitating to change the nation — to improve its policies, to perfect its justice, to broaden its opportunity — aren’t real patriots.
I could not disagree more. I love my country so much that I’ll do what I can to ensure that it lives up to its ideals. Today, the U.S. Senate brought it one step closer to those ideals.

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Wrong again

December 18th, 2010
3:49 pm

There is nothing good about making our military weak and more gay than it already is…I am sure china, russia, north korea and the middle east are shaking in their boots as we are the laughing stock of the world. It is an aboslute shame that our fighting men who have put their lives at risk have to put up with this type of foolishness. America is doomed.

bruce

December 18th, 2010
3:49 pm

Oh, this makes me sooo happy, I could just cry!

Iceman

December 18th, 2010
3:51 pm

Everything is not about race and discrimination in this country. There are darn good reasons that policy was in place. But with that said I am glad to see it go. It’s time.

Your “everyhting about America is racist and discriminatory” act is soooooo old. I can’t believe your still around.

George

December 18th, 2010
3:55 pm

Perhaps if the conservatives had joined the conservative Hispanics in passing the DREAM ACT, which would have allowed more Christians into this country legally, perhaps they could have stopped this. Instead conservatives hid behind the law and amnesty while pandering not to Christians but white skin worshippers! All Christians lost today!

Troglodyke

December 18th, 2010
3:56 pm

This is really good news, and I agree that it takes us in a positive direction as a country. DADT was a farce, put in place to assuage the feelings of people who should be strong enough of character not to care.

I wonder when the mass exodus of homophobic soldiers will begin. It will be a shame if a sudden rise in AWOLs due to the ban being lifted will get pushed under the rug. “Well, what can you expect? He left because he doesn’t want to be raped by his fellow soldiers.” I’m sure that will be their defense, and I’m sure the Religious Reich will have a hand in any of those defenses they can. It could be their new cause du jour. “Homosexuals are driving out soldiers in record numbers!” What a crock.

However, if gay soldiers had decided to walk out en masse if DADT was not repealed (which of course never would have happened because they want to serve their country), the hue and cry would have been deafening. “SEE!? We told you they were unfit to serve! Quitters! (add a host of other unprintable adjectives)”

Let the frothing at the mouth begin!

Susan

December 18th, 2010
3:57 pm

When I had totally given up any hope that our Congress was capable of taking any action that was responsible here they go surprising me! As a straight female I am thrilled that we are close to ending a discrimination that never should have existed. Congratulations to all who labored so hard for many years on this legislation. There is still work to be done but oh, how grand to know the law is now on the side of equal opportunity for all who proudly serve our country in the military. I am grateful to every one our armed forces members and all you do to make our country a safer place.

iRun

December 18th, 2010
3:57 pm

Oh, yeah….let’s watch the uglies come rollin on in….where’s the popcorn?

Grace

December 18th, 2010
3:57 pm

Finally…but we’re not done. Until sexual orientation is added to the federal antidiscriminatory law we have less rights than anyone else whose feet touch our soil. We can be denied housing, employment, etc., simply for being who we are. I can only speak for myself when I say that I have no choice about being a lesbian. It’s the way I was born and I’ve always known it, even before I had to words to describe it. But because that’s who I am and all I’ve ever known I’m grateful to God that I am a lesbian. I love who I am and all that God made me to be. Don’t like it? Don’t agree? Don’t understand? Too damn bad. Your opinion is irrelevant. I don’t complain or judge you because you’re straight. Your bigotry can’t touch me.

Troglodyke

December 18th, 2010
3:58 pm

Perhaps if the conservatives had joined the conservative Hispanics in passing the DREAM ACT, which would have allowed more Christians into this country legally, perhaps they could have stopped this. Instead conservatives hid behind the law and amnesty while pandering not to Christians but white skin worshippers! All Christians lost today!

Huh? Oh, wait…is this sarcasm? If so, funny!

schrutebeets

December 18th, 2010
3:58 pm

I’ve got sobering news for all those who have efforted to frame DADT repeal as a righteous crusade against discrimination and injustice.
You have your “victory.” But at what cost?
When all the rhetoric and data and passion of the fight finally fades away, you will be left with the inescapable fact that you have helped to sanction/endorse/embrace/legitimize a behavior that God Almighty calls an abomination.
Celebrate that.
Live with that.

iRun

December 18th, 2010
3:59 pm

I’m almost sorry for myself for posting something so cynical….this is a HAPPY day. I’m gonna toast all the servicemen and women. ALL of them.

FYI – only the Army has soldiers.

Way to go Cynthia

December 18th, 2010
4:02 pm

Cynthia- No one will ever miss you when you leave this paper. Leave the military policies up to the military.

Tell us again how you are a Christian. Yet you turn your back on the Bible all day long. You Democrats are really unbelievable.

abouttime

December 18th, 2010
4:05 pm

dadt had everything to do with discrimination and bigotry. nothing about that law made our military more effective. good riddance !

Troglodyke

December 18th, 2010
4:05 pm

I can only speak for myself when I say that I have no choice about being a lesbian. It’s the way I was born and I’ve always known it, even before I had to words to describe it.

Be that as it may, it should matter not. I stopped using this line a long time ago (though I’m not taking you to task for using it–not at all) because, well, why do we have to defend ourselves against people who choose to be superstitious? It should not matter whether it’s innate or chosen, it’s no one’s business in and of itself. Period.

I reject anti-gay opinions because they are rooted in religion, and I reject religion completely. And I am allowed to do so and still be a compassionate, moral human citizen of this country, since it is governed by a secular Constitution.

schrutebeets? really?

December 18th, 2010
4:09 pm

What an idiot. YOU’RE SO WRONG! I guess you don’t read the Bible, you just spout off what somenoe else has told you. 2 suggestions: educate yourself and read. Until then, crawl back under the rock you came from.

Troglodyke

December 18th, 2010
4:10 pm

When all the rhetoric and data and passion of the fight finally fades away, you will be left with the inescapable fact that you have helped to sanction/endorse/embrace/legitimize a behavior that God Almighty calls an abomination.

Really? This is what you have? Why so smug?

If your god hates it so much, why isn’t it part of the 10 Commandments? Why are there only 2 places in your holy book where it is even mentioned (and never, in regards to women)? Why didn’t his son EVER mention it? If homosexuality is so horribly offensive to your vengeful supernatural being, why doesn’t he strike us all down, right now?

Your preening is misplaced. Until you can prove any of your claims, you will continue to be dismissed.

Joyce

December 18th, 2010
4:11 pm

Big deal. We should be embarrassed that it took this long. Gays have always been in the military. Period. A few little crybabies are afraid someone’s going to look at their undersized, pathetic little weenies and be unimpressed. Most military men (underscore men) aren’t threatened and value service, loyalty and competence.

Taxmetilldeath

December 18th, 2010
4:11 pm

I find very little I agree on with this outgoing socialist oriented Congress or Mr. Obama; however, at least with this issued they will have earned a respected place in History for having the courage to abolish such ignorant and prejudicial laws.

t

December 18th, 2010
4:15 pm

LOL I knew CT you would put race into it.. The Very first line lol .. Your a loser … ohh wait a minute the second line… Its no wonder the AJC is going broke…

dcb

December 18th, 2010
4:19 pm

Tucker’s comment above “I love my country so much that I’ll do what I can to ensure that it lives up to its ideals.” is not only profound, but also undoubtedly built on her record of military service and first-hand knowledge that the repeal of “don’t ask – don’t tell” will have on the battlefront. Or could it possibly be that the closest she has come to the latter is the truth in the words “the pen is mightier than the sword”? The days of the news media only reporting the news is long gone. They now have no hesitation or shame in “making” the news with our politicians falling right in step.

We

December 18th, 2010
4:20 pm

While they are at it, why don’t they just get rid of the Christians in the country!

midtownguy

December 18th, 2010
4:20 pm

Amen, Grace. As soon as I saw the news, I offered up a prayer of thanks. God bless America.

Rafe Hollister

December 18th, 2010
4:21 pm

Hip, hip, hooray, God Bless America, I reckon. Well, can we NOW get around to something important, like repealing some regulations and government actions that make it such an unfriendly job climate. Now, that Obama’s Tax Cuts for the Wealthy has passed, we need to repeal Obamacare, give the unemployed some incentive to look for jobs, and repeal other job killing regulations.

On DADT, my only complaint was that the military was not questioned about whether it should be repealed. The survey done was deliberately drafted to get the answers the DOD wanted. It asked questions about how the end of DADT would affect them, not whether it was a good idea to end the program. The Pentagon obviously did not care what the military thought about ending DADT.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:21 pm

Thanks for that ‘update,’ Wrong again, er, I mean Chicken Little.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:22 pm

We, like it or not, you can’t legislate away Christianity.

We

December 18th, 2010
4:23 pm

But they are sure trying! Welcome to the United States of America, a.k.a. “Sodom & Gomora”

gatorman770

December 18th, 2010
4:26 pm

“…….Marine Commandant James Amos, who insisted that a non-discriminatory Marine Corps will mean more dead U.S. Marines on the battlefield. That’s sheer and utter nonsense, more a testiment to his prejudices than to any evidence that gay Marines do not serve with courage and honor”
Cindy….you get your experience and knowledge from what wars/battlefield action?

jconservative

December 18th, 2010
4:26 pm

George at 3:55 – interesting take on the issue. I have not seen this previously. Let me mull it over.

Those of you who want to blast some Republicans for voting against this bill, remember that the bill was signed into law 17 years ago by a Democratic president, Bill Clinton.

Irony. Republicans are defending a piece of Bill Clinton legislation.

“I love my country so much that I’ll do what I can to ensure that it lives up to its ideals.” Nice sentence Cynthia. This is getting into the area of American Exceptionalism that a lot of conservatives talk about but do not necessarily practice.

Cynthia, as we have previously, we agree on this issue. I just cannot understand the idea that if someone volunteers to serve his country that he should be told no. Our problem is that not enough young people elect to serve. Our problem is that not enough parents encourage their children to serve their country. As a result, recruiting standards keep getting lowered to meet manpower requirements.

Irony again. Many on the left are celebrating the passage of this legislation. Legislation to do what? Legislation that allows a gay person to legally go to war and get his/her brains blown out. Just like a straight person. Irony!

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:27 pm

I hope the gay Americans who were discharged for being gay organize and seek reparations from the government. Especially the Arab language specialists.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
4:27 pm

THE FORERUNNER OF THE SERVANT – Mark 1:2-3
“Behold, I send My messenger before your face, who will prepare your way before you, the voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord; Make His path straight”

USMC2841

December 18th, 2010
4:28 pm

When I served in the Marines there were two types “Dark Green Marines” from the inner city and “Light Green Marines” that were predominantly middle class. Neither of these groups were overly supportive of alternative lifestyles. This bill will only keep these men and women from enlisting. Those paper tiger liberals who have argued the loudest for this bill have never represented large numbers in the military and will not replace those that are lost. This can be looked at as a double victory for the radical left. First, placate the homosexuals then weaken the military.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:30 pm

We, you should try not to be so insulted when people are given their freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. If you want to spend your days worrying about Sodom and Gomorrah that’s your choice, but you might feel a little less burdened with the looming end of days if you lightened up just a bit.

Jim

December 18th, 2010
4:30 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Done deal. End of story, teabaggers. (ever looked up what that means? now there’s a nice piece of irony)

JohnnyReb

December 18th, 2010
4:31 pm

Several months past I changed my mind to support repeal of DADT. It is the right thing to do as discrimination, harrassment, embarassment, and all the other vile things humans do to each other are wrong. Young people must not be embarrassed about sex to the point of suicide. All the people in the military are heroes in my book and must be treated equally regardless of gender, race or sexual preference.

I am not yet ready to support official gay marriage as I feel it is important and a better example for children to be raised under a traditional masculine and feminine influence. I do, however, recognize it is better for a child to be loved in a gay home than have no home in which they are truly loved. And, a life long bond between a gay couple must not suffer different benefits and property rights than those of a traditional marriage. In short, I don’t have an answer for that. Who knows, one day I may change my mind and support gay marriage, but for now I am happy for those who serve where this repeal has put a smile on their face.

Matt

December 18th, 2010
4:32 pm

USMC2841, you don’t represent us and don’t even try. Most decent military men and women care about carrying out the mission and staying alive.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2010
4:32 pm

Holy cow. Some of y’all who don’t like gay folk sure outdo them in the Drama Queen department.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:32 pm

USMC28241, the armed services is no place for fraidy cats, so here’s hoping that homophobes leave in droves, and further that they don’t enlist.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:34 pm

One day at a time, JohnnyReb.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
4:35 pm

midtownguy

December 18th, 2010
4:36 pm

Gatorman: Cindy might not have experience but my partner of 25 years does. He is a retired Marine. He and some of the other gay former soldiers in the neighborhood are out celebrating. I am going to pick them up after they have consumed as much beer as they want and drive them all home. He served two combat terms in Vietnam. I will pass your concerns along to him and ask if he considers his battlefield service courageous and honorable.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
4:39 pm

@midtownguy

How’s your walk with Jesus?

somewhereinga

December 18th, 2010
4:39 pm

When it happened in Canade someone was asked and the answer was, “What do you people expect, that they are going to be hanging chintz curtains in the barracks tomorrow? It was a non-event.”

It will be a non-event here too.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

December 18th, 2010
4:42 pm

Wow, what an important story, with unemployment near 10% and the debt just continuing to rise – way to handle the important issues. Who cares, and what about DREAM failing? Guess your silence speaks volumes, sorry for ya!

jconservative

December 18th, 2010
4:44 pm

Rafe at 4:21 pm – “The Pentagon obviously did not care what the military thought about ending DADT.”

Rafe you might want to take a moment to read over this sentence and think about it a little more. I am sure you did not intend to say what you actually said. Said about yourself, to be specific.

Glad I could help.

USMC2841

December 18th, 2010
4:45 pm

I never claimed to represent anyone. In your rush to judge my statement you missed the point were I said that people would not join the military base on this bill, therefore they would never become “military men and women focused on carrying out the mission”. Any man or woman who takes and oath to defend this country should carry out that oath no matter the circumstances. I also don’t see how disagreeing with an alternative lifestyle makes one a “fraidy cat”.

Tundra Dude

December 18th, 2010
4:46 pm

Wrong Again@3:49, wrote: America is doomed.

I recently saw a list compiled at UC Santa Barbara. Supposedly, two dozen countries already allow gays to serve openly. If we’re all “doomed”, maybe we should all agree to disband our military…..then get together…and make Love, not War! (?)

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
4:46 pm

Lol at the Jesus people.

Well? What exactly would Jesus do? You think he is all up in arms about gays in the military?

Or do you think he is more concerned with the killing? Maybe the Shock and Awe? The destruction? The cost of war? Unprovoked wars?

Or maybe this mysterious Jesus of yours does want this biblical fantasy of yours. Only he is mad because he hates divorce, so much so he forbid it himself. Better round up all the divorced people in the military if you want to do a real cleansing. The killers too.

But this isn’t what you do is it. You want your own version of life. Where the rich have some how become the protected, the poor a target. You kill as you please. You divorce as you please.

What would Jesus do?

TD

December 18th, 2010
4:47 pm

Instead of basic training it will now be called “Butt Darts With Brauce”

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:47 pm

Good, you agree that the military is no place for fraidy cats.

Lordy, Lordy

December 18th, 2010
4:47 pm

WWJD, indeed. He’s a little light in the feet himself, donthca think?

Steve

December 18th, 2010
4:48 pm

I have said it once, and I will say it again. If any individual is serving in the United States Armed Forces and is willing to die for our country, who gives a crap who they sleep with at the end of the day. People don’t choose to be gay just like all you straight individuals didn’t choose to be straight. You were born that way. And for those that are preaching about Leviticus on this blog, Why don’t you not copy and paste the text so it reads the way you like it. Leviticus also states you shouldn’t eat pork or you are sinning against the father, it also states that if a child insulting its parents (Leviticus 20) that they are to be stoned to death. Leviticus also states for all you lovely child bearing women In Leviticus 12 that if a woman who gives birth, whether to a boy or to a girl. 8 If she can’t afford a lamb, she is to take two doves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; the cohen will make atonement for her, and she will be clean.’” I really don’t see any of that going on around Atlanta up in the Maternity wings of the local hospitals. Get the point. It is time for equal rights for everyone, and this is just one step that makes the future brighter to over 10% of the population.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:48 pm

DannyX, silly rabbit, Jesus would obviously be most involved with the torture.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
4:50 pm

DannyX
I’ll pray for you? You are an angry person because you don’t know Jesus! Their is no mystery about Jesus. He is there for you if you take a momnet to reach out to Him. This gift is Free!

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2010
4:51 pm

Uhhhh…USMC, if you’re saying what people will do, you’re either claiming to represent their point of view, or you’re psychic. Take your pick.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
4:52 pm

@DannyX
Just curious. How do you think you got to be here on this earth and what’s your purpose for being here? Just having a conversation.

USMC2841

December 18th, 2010
4:52 pm

If this was such a great idea, why did they wait until the weekend before Christmas? Wouldn’t this have been a great bill to pass the week before the elections? Imagine the landslide victories this would have guaranteed for those who sided with it.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:53 pm

Isaiah, did you just say, ‘THEIR’ is no mystery . . . .
Do you not know the difference between the words ‘there’ and ‘their?’

Fred

December 18th, 2010
4:54 pm

Well I reckon President Obama traded away allowing the tax cuts on folks making over 1 million for this.

Was it worth it? I don’t know. I’d like to think that had he held firm he could have had both. But maybe not. I reckon a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Since this means the military will collapse, I just looked out my window to see if I saw any mushroom clouds or Chinese or North Korean paratroopers dropping from the sky, but the coast seems clear for now. Maybe the invasions will be tomorrow…………

Anyways, congratulations my homosexual brothers and sisters in arms, it’s been a long time coming. (LOL I had the strongest temptation to say, “now you can be in each others arms” but I resisted it.)

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
4:54 pm

Isaiah, I could care less about your prayers. I would appreciate you man up and start explaining your absurd notice that Jesus doesn’t want gays to be involved with your killing machine.

The gift is Free? Exactly what the heck does that mean. The gift to kill in the name of Jesus? As jimbob said to be a part of torture? Reach out for what a machine gun?

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:55 pm

some soldier you are USMC, don’t you know that they timed it to advance the front line on the WAR ON CHRISTMAS!

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
4:55 pm

Yes, jimbob a typo. Please say you have more than that. I’m glad to see that I have your attentiuon as well. Matter of fact how about answering that question I presented to DannyX

M

December 18th, 2010
4:55 pm

For all the Bible thumpers in here…as soon as you start following the letter of every OTHER law in the Bible, then I’ll listen to you about how homosexuality is an abomination. Wait a minute, no I won’t. Because a 4,000-year-old slavery and animal sacrifice manual is no guidebook for how to live life in the year 2010.

somewhereinga

December 18th, 2010
4:56 pm

USMC…I think anyone who is “man” enough to be a Marine isn’t going to be worrying about whether the gy next to him in the enlistment line is gay. He’s going to be worrying about whether or not the gy next to him will be able to shoot straight and possibly save his life. I think you don’t give the new generation of recruits enough credit.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:57 pm

Well said, Fred.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:58 pm

Thank you, M! God only knows what you would write down if all you did was wander around the desert trying to find some shade and water.

somewhereinga

December 18th, 2010
5:00 pm

Next time, let’s try guy instead of gy, DUH

jconservative

December 18th, 2010
5:01 pm

For those of you who keep score, and make get even lists, here are the 8 Republicans to vote for final passage of the bill.

Brown of Massachusetts
Burr of North Carolina
Collins of Maine
Ensign of Nevada
Kirk of Illinois
Murkowski of Alaska
Snowe of Maine
Voinovich of Ohio

Politics in the USA can get complicated.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:01 pm

@DannyX
Why the anger in your post? Just a conversation. I never said anything about gays in the military good or bad.. Please go back and read my initial post. Do you really think Jesus is happy about any wars going on? I never said he was. Please don’t twist my words. I know that you don’t have much, if any knowledge on the topic of Jeses if you don’t understand what “His free gift” is.
For that you do need prayers.

somewhereinga

December 18th, 2010
5:02 pm

Isn’t it amazing how you only see the typos as you are hitting the “submit” button!

jay

December 18th, 2010
5:03 pm

Religion aside, many “tolerate” Gays without accepting and embracing the lifestyle as it doesn’t affect or impact their lives at all. It is not an important issue in their life because it does not pertain to them. So I guess the next step in the military is when some testosterone ridden drill officer dresses one down for any reason he opens himself open to being dishonorably discharged for hate speech. Or if another soldier calls one out for non performance during combat training. The real important issues in this country that the majority of american’s deem important are creating jobs, balancing the budget, making sure social security is solvent in the near future, etc. You Libs only seem to want the power of government to control the thoughts, actions and behavior of the citizens forcing compliance with the elitist liberal social programming.

USMC2841

December 18th, 2010
5:03 pm

Let’s here from the experts shall we. From the AJC article “Nearly 60 percent of the Marine Corps and Army combat units, such as infantry and special operations, said in the survey they thought repealing the law would hurt their units’ ability to fight.” Now all of you chat room commando’s tell me how any of us know more about the impact of this than those actually fighting.

waterst

December 18th, 2010
5:05 pm

What a bunch of garbage. It’s a choice. PERIOD. Another special interest group phucks up the country. We’re doomed.

BlahBlahBlah

December 18th, 2010
5:06 pm

A whole bunch of people are going to need to find a new reason to hate the military. I have a feeling they won’t have much trouble.

M

December 18th, 2010
5:06 pm

My guess is that Jesus doesn’t care one way or the other what the decision on DADT is because he died 2000 years ago.

fsunoleInDC

December 18th, 2010
5:06 pm

This is what happens when God has turned society over to its sin….Call it normal all you want, but it is not..the fact is, 10 out of 10 people die, and then you are headed for judgement Heb 9:27, and your only hope is Jesus Christ….You people hate Jesus because your sin is exposed in the light..nothign new…anyone that supports homosexuality is lost ….you can think you won all you want, but there is a judgement day, and ujnless you repent you’ll be gnashing teeth in darkness for eternity….

Marksman

December 18th, 2010
5:06 pm

“I could not disagree more. I love my country so much that I’ll do what I can to ensure that it lives up to its ideals.” CT: Just above the ear (either one), with a .38 snub-nose or a Glock. Depress the trigger.
Poof! Geez, I feel so much better now!

M

December 18th, 2010
5:08 pm

fsunoleINDC…

Do you support shrimp?

fsunoleInDC

December 18th, 2010
5:09 pm

Isaiah….homsexuals and theri supports do not want the free gift becasue that requires repentance and they are reprobates turned over to their sin…regardless of how lawless society is today, God is still in control, and He said these things must come to pass….

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2010
5:09 pm

USMC, the rest of the military isn’t fighting? Awesome. I guess they can all just leave and come home.

Fred

December 18th, 2010
5:10 pm

@M:

You post at 4:55 makes absolutely no sense. Christianity is not based on those 4000 year old laws. Only the Jews need to adhere to that crap, and they sure as hell don’t. When bashing the bible thumpers, it would help if you knew enough of the theology to make a cognizant point. If you need help, just ask. I understand when you people who DON’T know the bible and the theology get it wrong, but it really chaps my ass when Christians twist the words.

@somewhereinga: LOL I know exactly what you mean. in that little space of time after you hit submit when the post is still visible to you, ALL the typos jump out at you. And you can’t do a damn thing…………….. While I may not be the typo king, I think I have a good claim to the throne…….

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
5:10 pm

Sorry USMC, when you say things like ‘Let’s here from the experts, shall we, and you don’t know the difference between the words ‘here’ and ‘hear’ (you know, hear, as in, with your ears?), then you credibility suffers greatly because you come across as just plain unintelligent.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:10 pm

@M – Not sure where you got your information from about Jesus. Yes, he was crucified, died and was buried. I think you missed the part on how He came back to life, resurrected on the third day! That was the best day in all of our lives. This gave us the opportunity, as sinners, to ask Christ into our lives and by doing so we can have everlasting life. Jesus, paid that price – that’s where “Free Gift” came from!

fsunoleInDC

December 18th, 2010
5:11 pm

Sorry M, but that is the typical homosexual trick to try and distort scripture, but ceremonial law and moral laws are different..ceremonial laws no long apply, but moral laws do adn always will…

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Memphis11Gate

December 18th, 2010
5:11 pm

Every homosexual, gay, bi-sexual, transgender should be allowed to serve and die for the US, and just wait until Al-Qaeda finds them, they will use your homosexuality to punish you. Good decision to allow them to serve openly, I served with gays and did not care about their sexuality. At the end of the day they do a good job at what they do for the military and the US.

M

December 18th, 2010
5:11 pm

Fred,

So where are Christians getting their intolerance of gays from, if not from the Old Testament? Paul? That guy who wasn’t Jesus?

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
5:12 pm

Are you making a threat, Marksman?

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:12 pm

@fsunoleInDC

WELL SAID!

M

December 18th, 2010
5:12 pm

fsunoleInDC

The important thing is that you’ve come up with the mental gymnastics that will allow you to continue to hate.

M

December 18th, 2010
5:14 pm

Isaiah,

I’m not really into human sacrifice cults. But if you say he rose from the dead, prove it. Difficulty: no Bible verses.

fsunoleInDC

December 18th, 2010
5:15 pm

I don’t hate, I speak the truth…the truth is hard for alot of people

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
5:15 pm

WWJD?

Would he prefer Shock and Awe be delivered with only straight soldiers?

Would he be appalled if it were a gay soldier on top of the Guantanamo “Dog Pile? The one ridiculing Muslim prisoners?

Would he suddenly demand all divorced soldiers to resign?

And just for kicks…Would he now demand all poor people to sell their belongs and give the proceeds to a rich man?

Come on, lets get some answers out of you Christians that want to turn war into something Christlike. The nonsense you are spouting now is a total failure. Dig in!!!

Just what would Jesus do?????????????????

SPEAK UP

USMC2841

December 18th, 2010
5:16 pm

Let’s hear from the experts shall we. From the AJC article “Nearly 60 percent of the Marine Corps and Army combat units, such as infantry and special operations, said in the survey they thought repealing the law would hurt their units’ ability to fight.” Now, all of you chat room commando’s tell me how any of us know more about the impact of this than those actually fighting. There I fixed all of the grammar. Although I feel you still haven’t found a suitable retort.

Fred

December 18th, 2010
5:16 pm

jay

December 18th, 2010
5:03 pm

So I guess the next step in the military is when some testosterone ridden drill officer dresses one down for any reason he opens himself open to being dishonorably discharged for hate speech.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This is my fear as well jay. I was always combat arms, IE infantry. We used “gay humor” all the time. Not in a derogatory way, but just damn, when you live in as close physical proximity as you have to in the infantry it’s going to be bantered around. But it’s just another change that will have to be dealt with. I still see a lot of EEOC complaints coming though…….

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2010
5:16 pm

“ceremonial laws no long apply, but moral laws do adn always will…”

Honey, if you kick all the adulterers out of the military, we couldn’t defend ourselves from Lichtenstein.

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
5:17 pm

What scripture demands gays be thrown out of our killing machine?

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:18 pm

@M

There were over 100 eye witnesses on His ascension in Heaven. It is written in prophecies. Documented throughout time.
M – I understand that you don’t want to believe it, but you say no Bible verses, but the Bible is the best encyclopedia of factual History. It has been proven by many over the years.

Then, please, tell me how you got here? How the earth came about? AND, when you die what will happen to you? Why are you on this earth right now?

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:19 pm

@DannyX – I never said that there were any now did I.

Us vs Us

December 18th, 2010
5:19 pm

No fsunoleInDC you’re not speaking the truth, your regurgitating dogmatic mythology. Believe what you will, but you’ll not dictate to the rest of us.

somewhereinga

December 18th, 2010
5:20 pm

Isaiah, please tell us what chapter and verse Jesus Christ discusses homosexuality?

M

December 18th, 2010
5:20 pm

Isaiah,

CITATIONS BADLY NEEDED

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:21 pm

@Us vs Us

Then, please, tell me how you got here? How the earth came about? AND, when you die what will happen to you? Why are you on this earth right now?

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 18th, 2010
5:22 pm

I love my country so much that I’ll do what I can to ensure that it lives up to its ideals.
——————-

One of your country’s ideals is that people who aren’t willing to work don’t deserve to eat. Much less have a decent place to live, an automobile, a cell phone, etc. So much for “ensuring it lives up to its ideals’, eh, parasite-enabler?

midtownguy

December 18th, 2010
5:23 pm

Isaiah, I teach Sunday School at my church (Episcopal) my Walk with Jesus is one of the most important parts of my life. Thank you for asking.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 18th, 2010
5:23 pm

Another of your country’s ideals is that a family with a Mom and a Dad is the best environment for raising children.

Oopsies!

resno2

December 18th, 2010
5:24 pm

CT, how do you intend to perfect our justice system when you, and many other left leaning liberals, don’t know what meaning of illegal is?

Steve

December 18th, 2010
5:24 pm

First to waterst at 5:05, just curious when you chose to be straight. Period! When was the exact date you CHOSE to be straight? And to you fsunoleinDC. What a croc. I grew up in the church just like you did. BUT, I have a problem that the only way to get to God is through Jesus. I have been to many different services covering many different religions. You can not tell me that God does not love them just as much as he loves Christians. They worship the same God. They believe in the same God, but you get to judge them because they don’t worship the way you do? What about the Dali Lama is his God not good enough for you. What about the people that have never been exposed to religion. Are they automatically going to Hell because they don’t know “your” God. I believe in a loving and accepting God. I don’t need anyone, especially you, to tell me that my beliefs are invalid,

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
5:24 pm

So typical. A lot of you Christians are great at throwing the Bible at gays in your own little groups but become frozen when confronted with the shallowness of your arguments in a more open forum.

Make sense of some of your nonsense. How does a gay person serving in the military possibly become more of an issue than a divorced person serving?

Jesus himself spoke out on divorce, nothing about homosexuality. From looking at your book it seems he would be purging your fantasy army of divorced people first. Common sense.

Divorce is a CHOICE!!!

History Professor

December 18th, 2010
5:30 pm

Any current or former service member that disagrees with this ruling is doing their service and country a dishonor. All military members from the lowliest private to the Commander and Chief have one job to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States”. The Constitution in its bedrock princples of freedom of association in the 1st Amendment and Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment protect people from this type of discrimination. The 15th President of the U.S., James Buchanan, with his live in lifetime companion William Rufus King referred to as “Aunt Fancy” was as openly gay as you could be in 1850. If it’s good enough for the Commander and Chief its good enough for anyone who serves. You can’t reconcile defending the constitutional principles of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness and be a bigot about someone’s sexual orientation, because if you do your a hypocrit and unfit to uphold your constitutional oath.

carlosgvv

December 18th, 2010
5:31 pm

The Commandant of the Marine Corps believes this will result in more dead Marines on the field. But of course Congress, most of whom have never served in the Military, and all of you who worship at the feet of political correctness, say he must be wrong. You are perfectly willing to risk the lives of our troops to fulfill somebody’s social experiment. This tells me all I need to know about you.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:32 pm

@DannyX and others. Here are your scriptures about Homosexuality

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

In Genesis 19 God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah due to the extensive amount of sin and debauchery going on in the city. Some add homosexuality in with the sins being committed. Others say that it was not just blanket homosexuality being condemned but homosexual rape, meaning it is different from homosexual behavior in loving relationships.

Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”

Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

Need I go on?

waterst

December 18th, 2010
5:33 pm

Homosexuality is a choice. Jesus told the woman at the well, “Go and sin no more”. A man having anal sex with another guy, is a sin. DUH!

You liberal spineless thugs make me want to vomit.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:33 pm

@DannyX
Before you say that that was God saying that. Please don’t insult us with lack of knowledge by saying that.

JESUS IS GOD!

Us vs Us

December 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

“@Us vs Us – Then, please, tell me how you got here?”

Best I can tell, my parents had a few drinks on New Years Eve in the 60’s and … do you need a diagram?

“How the earth came about?”

Big bang, maybe you’ve heard of it? What force or forces were behind it is anybody’s guess. To claim you know otherwise is the epitome of naivete.

“AND, when you die what will happen to you?”

Worm bait, just like you.

“Why are you on this earth right now?”

To protect myself and others from fundies like you.

Fred

December 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

M@ 5:11:

I don’t know. I’ve never “studied” the issue. I know that God condemned it strongly in the Old Testament. Heck, it’s STILL called “sodomy” 4000 years later. I was taught that it is wrong biblically (that’s not a word but I am having a brain poot and can’t remember the right one lol), but never gave the “issue” itself much thought. When I was a child I did theater and was around many gay people. They never tried to molest me so again I never gave it much thought. As I got older, I came to realize that very few choose to follow that path, (some do, just to be contrary lol, admit it, but they are a tiny tiny minority), people are born that way. You have no choice about what stimulates your sexuality. I mean I don’t look at another man’s hairy butt and find love. I couldn’t be “taught” to do so. A gay man looks at a naked woman the same way I look at a naked man, with a “so what” attitude. It’s what I call a “God Question.”

That means that one day when I die and stand before God I will ask him, “Wass’s up wit dat?”

The biblical teachings are clear on several points which conflict to my mind.

Homosexuality is “bad.”
God is “good.”
God doesn’t make mistakes.
God created homosexuals.

It’s beyond my comprehension. In the meantime, Jesus follow the Golden rule. He also said love one another as you would love yourself. THIS I try to practice. I can understand it.

Also as I read and understand the words of Jesus, he says ALL sins are equal, none more weighty than another. Lying is a sin and how many more people lie than are gay or lesbians? Which is worse? According to Jesus, neither, but personally I’d much rather hang out with a homosexual than a freaking liar. In fact, I don’t care if someone is a homosexual or not, but I DO care if someone is a liar.

I dunno, I guess I rambled on, but I hope this helps to clear things up a little. It’s as clear as mud to me lol.

T-Town

December 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

I have never had a problem with anyone wanting to serve in the military, but I will still fear for those who are different. I saw first hand what hate could do while serving in Vietnam. One would never know just where the round or the grenade came from, but all knew it came from friendly fire. Laws can be enacted to effect change in the military, but combat has a way to shield hate. I can only hope people will change, but know the more they change the more they stay the same.

Us vs Us

December 18th, 2010
5:36 pm

@waterst – No, it’s not. Smug self-important ignoramuses like you make me want to vomit.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:37 pm

@Us vs Us

Really???? You were created by a Big Bang! You don’t think much of yourself do you?

M

December 18th, 2010
5:37 pm

Isaiah,

Please read the rest of Leviticus and Deuteronomy and get back to me after you’ve fulfilled all those laws, rules, and requirements. If you’re still alive, that is.

M

December 18th, 2010
5:39 pm

Fred,

You are a better person than most in here.

greg

December 18th, 2010
5:41 pm

Served in the military for 10 years. It was maybe the most important and life changing 10 years of my life so far. Those 10 years also included the struggle with my sexuality. Anyone that thinks that there is not a very high number of gays in our military is not very smart. From my experience it may be even higher than in general society. Gay servicemen and women have been, and will always be a major part of our armed forces. I knew many people that were open within their units. I myself was open to those closest to me. It was never an issue, and it won’t be now.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
5:44 pm

M

I never said I was perfect. No one that walked the earth was except for JESUS! I sin everyday. We are born of a sinful nature. Sin is Sin. It’s all equal. Homesexuality is no greater than Divorce. Swearing God’s name in vein.

It’s been a pleasure speaking with you folks. Please have a safe and blessed Christmas!
I’ll leave you with John 14:6 “I’am the way, The Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

Us vs Us

December 18th, 2010
5:45 pm

“@Us vs Us

Really???? You were created by a Big Bang! You don’t think much of yourself do you?”

And you were borne of an inbred line that has a rib deficiency and an apple addiction? I’m guessing your think a great deal of yourself. Great fun at parties I’m sure.

Let me guess, you think the earth is 2000 years old, Jeebus rode a dinosaur and the Sun orbits the Earth am I right?

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 18th, 2010
5:46 pm

Homosexuals have always served in our military with no problem, as many here have pointed out. Overturning DADT was never about practical matters, it was about sticking a thumb in the eye of folks who believe in traditional American values and traditional family values. The extreme libbtard fringe, in other words.

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
5:46 pm

Total fail Isaiah. Total fail. I can copy and paste more things that Jesus said about divorce than you can paste using your obscure quotes from obscure figures and what they say about about gays.

“Make sense of some of your nonsense. How does a gay person serving in the military possibly become more of an issue than a divorced person serving?”

Come on! Why is our killing machine holy with divorced people but not gays???????

Divorce is a CHOICE!!!

Fred

December 18th, 2010
5:51 pm

M:

No I’m not, I’m scumbag. An intolerant scumbag at that. I can’t (and won’t) tolerate Baptists. They pervert my God and my religion. I am merely a mortal seeking truth, trying to live right, and hopefully at the end of my life the good I do will at least equal the evil.

But as a man who is proud of his military service (in and out of combat) i don’t see how who anyone sleeps with is an indicator of their patriotism or ability to serve the Country they love. Dannyx seems to think of me and others who served as murders in the killing machine. That’s OK I can live with that. I don’t really care what he thinks, I fought for his freedom as well as I fought for mine. Cynthia fights for freedom as well, even though I rarely like HER methods or ideas. I think she has a tendency towards racism. But her GOOD over shadows her BAD. I can live with that.

M

December 18th, 2010
5:52 pm

DannyX,

And a rather good choice at that.

History Professor

December 18th, 2010
5:52 pm

@Lil’Barry Bailout
“it was about sticking a thumb in the eye of folks who believe in traditional American values and traditional family values.”

Tell that to all the servicemen and women who have had to leave the military and lose their careers once they were outed to the wrong superior. No, this was about removing a law that is a complete contradiction to the constitutional ideals of liberty and freedom of choice that these same military are supposed to be defendiing. We all know gays have served honorably in every world military since the dawn of man, but when you endorse liberty for all, you must practice what you preach or the words and meaning are hollow and you loose any moral authority you had to begin with. Btw I’m a conservative.

Fred

December 18th, 2010
5:55 pm

greg: May you find peace. We almost always knew who the “fags” were in our unit as well. it didn’t matter though when it was time for the rubber to meet the road. We joked them and they joked us in the peaceful times. LOL The jokes about “them” having our backs………….. and the replies……….. funny stuff. But let someone from another unit try to rag on them and all hell broke loose. We were ALL brothers.

Deb

December 18th, 2010
5:59 pm

You cannot equate DADT and the DREAM farce. Repealing DADT is in regards to gay, LEGAL American service men and womean. The DREAM was a backdoor amnesty for a couple million illegal aliens? You gonna tell me that illegals deserve citizenship while legal citizens are discriminated against because of their orientation. Stupid, stupid argument. But I am glad the DREAM died and that gay Americans can now serve openly and proudly. God Bless America !!

Keep up the good fight!

December 18th, 2010
6:00 pm

Definitely some uglies out there today…..but finally so real movement to counter the righty wingnut immoral minority agenda.

Keep up the good fight!

December 18th, 2010
6:02 pm

DREAM is only delayed not dead….and it is not amnesty for many at all but it is amnesty for some who truly deserve it.

Keep up the good fight!

December 18th, 2010
6:04 pm

LBB…tell that to the fine gay men and women who served this country proudly and were discharged merely because they were gay…. Do you try to have some of the most illthought ignorant posts daily or does it just come naturally to you?

Fred

December 18th, 2010
6:08 pm

Deb, it’s obvious you know nothing about the DREAM act. Your ignorance of the subject is blatant.

Here’s your sign.

(I posted the video in an earlier post but apparently videos have to be moderated on Cynthia’s blogs lol)

Lost My Bible

December 18th, 2010
6:10 pm

I looked everywhere and couldn’t find my Bible, the original one written by G0D himself. All I keep finding is the translated copies.

Until I do you guys keep bickering back and forth.

If I haven’t found it by tomorrow I will ask my Catholic Light(Episcopal) priest what he thinks either that or his 2 GAY sons.

WWJD, probably think we all all pissed off at a non issue.

Dave2

December 18th, 2010
6:12 pm

CT if you love you country so much, have you ever worn its uniform? Seems to me, as one who served for almost 30 years, you could have truly demostrate that love in lieu of words. I actually do favor this bill, but it will not be easy to implement, too bad you can’t focus on that issue.

Fred

December 18th, 2010
6:15 pm

Dave2:

It is not necessary to serve in the military in order to love your Country. I know several pacifists who through either moral or religious beliefs wouldn’t be in the military, but love their Country every bit as much as you and I do.

That’s a weak argument.

TGT

December 18th, 2010
6:15 pm

Yeah! Why should the military concern itself with behavior that leads to:

-A twenty-five to thirty-year decrease in life expectancy

-Extremely promiscuous sexual activity

-20 times more frequent use of methamphetamine

-Primary and secondary syphilis that is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women

-HIV diagnoses that is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women

-Frequently fatal rectal cancer

-A much higher than usual incidence of suicide?

It sounds like a wonderful thing for our military men and women to be exposed to!

Steve

December 18th, 2010
6:17 pm

Wow- Unbelievable. True Christians on here today upholding the law of the Land! Remember Moses? Yeah you know the guy with those 10 things on his tablet. You know the one. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thy self. Not much of that on here today. What an ignorant, bigoted state we live in today. Very sad when the religious majority tries to judge everyone else when they don’t look at their own lives. Be careful when you look in the mirror. You might not like what you see.

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)

December 18th, 2010
6:19 pm

“Today, the U.S. Senate brought it one step closer to those ideals.” Right you are Cynthia!

As a veteran as well as the daughter of a veteran, I’m grateful for the leadership of this President and those in Congress that prevailed in righting this very wrong-headed policy of DADT.

Now on to passing the DREAM act!!!! What do we lose by enabling access to citizenship to those that choose to put their life on the line while honorably serving in the defecse of this great nation? What are some of you people so afraid of? Hmmmm, I just wonder..

Lost My Bible

December 18th, 2010
6:19 pm

Aquagirl@4:51 pm

Uhhhh…USMC, if you’re saying what people will do, you’re either claiming to represent their point of view, or you’re psychic. Take your pick.

——————

He can’t be psychotic he took his thorazine today.

Oh psychic is what you said. Never mind about the thorazine. LOL

carlosgvv

December 18th, 2010
6:20 pm

Barry

It must be very clear to you now that those politicians who voted to repeal DADT could not possibly care less about traditional American and family values.

We Were Soldiers

December 18th, 2010
6:25 pm

“…despite the statements of Marine Commandant James Amos, who insisted that a non-discriminatory Marine Corps will mean more dead U.S. Marines on the battlefield. That’s sheer and utter nonsense, more a testiment to his prejudices…”

I find it interesting Ms. Tucker that a hack blog writer who never served a day in the military can critique the commandant of the Marine Corps with such brashness. General Amos and his men and women in uniform are all that stands between your ability to make smartass remarks like this and being skewered on the tip of an enemy bayonet.

Lee

December 18th, 2010
6:25 pm

“Today, in an unusual Saturday session, the U.S. Senate abolished legally-sanctioned discrimination…”

Oh wait, lil Cynthia wasn’t talking about AFFIRMATIVE ACTION or the government’s policies of buying from minority/women owned businesses – which blatently discriminate against white males. No, Cynthia’s all agiggle about the perverts who can now tell the entire squad who poked them in the rear the night before.

Give me a break.

schrutebeets

December 18th, 2010
6:26 pm

greg:
No one is questioning the presence of gays in the military. That’s not the point. Gays have never been prohibited from serving in the military. Unlike race and gender, “gay” is imperceptible.
The point is (or, rather, was): Should the military accept for service someone who is, essentially, demanding the right to “wear”/proclaim his/her homosexuality?
Does the military accept for service someone who demands the right to “wear”/proclaim his/her penchant for adultery?
The only way that one’s “gayness” becomes an issue is if that person chooses to make it an issue. The military I know well is about the team. It has no use for anyone (gay or straight) who has a need to make his/her service about him/her.
The repeal of DADT transforms “don’t ask, don’t tell” into “I didn’t ask, but you’re going to tell me anyway.”
DADT repeal imposes upon me a special duty to gay soldiers who have been empowered by the repeal to parade their sexuality.
I can express disgust to a soldier who brags about his extramarital affairs.
Am I permitted to express disgust to a solider who shows me a picture of his life partner and tells me the romantic tale of how they first met?
I see a lot of hate crime allegations and sensitivity trainings ahead.

Kamchak

December 18th, 2010
6:27 pm

…and all of you who worship at the feet of political correctness, say he must be wrong

You played the “political correctness” card.

This tells me all I need to know about you.

Wrong again

December 18th, 2010
6:37 pm

Please post the 8 republican names that voted for this piece of trash. It understandable among the perve democrats with no values, no morality and no integrity.

jay

December 18th, 2010
6:37 pm

After reading through the blogs it’s becoming apparent to me that this country is becoming more divided rapidly. This is not a condemnation just an observation, so please don’t anyone take it as offensive or divisive. Apparently we have hard core christians condemning homosexuality based on passages in the bible that condemn it, i.e., Sodom and Gomorrah. Their belief lies in that you will be judged for your sins. Then we have the alternate lifestyle that have found faith through churches that preach that Christ forgives all sins forever and non judging. So you have group “A” and group “B” fighting out their beliefs. How do you find a civility between the two? Government?

Tom Middleton

December 18th, 2010
6:41 pm

How about that, Cynthia. It seems we’ve taken one more step toward all of us living under the same principles of freedom, instead of just some of us.

Now as soon as we can get the racists to come out of their paranoid corners and start playing fair with the rest of us, we may actually BECOME a nation of, by, and for the people, instead of just pretending on the fourth of July!

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 18th, 2010
6:46 pm

I don’t have a problem with homosexuals in the military, just commenting on the motivation behind repeal of DADT. It’s not unlike the Democrats’ desire to raise taxes–it has nothing to do with what’s good policy, it’s all about sticking it to political enemies.

usually lurking

December 18th, 2010
6:52 pm

@schrutebeets – so what you are saying is if a person displays a picture of their same-sex life partner, that’s somehow making his/her service about him/her? I don’t see a difference between that and a person displaying a picture of his/her opposite-sex life partner… I sure hope we as a society get over our fear of gay people. Good grief.

ATF

December 18th, 2010
6:58 pm

Good for our national legislators. DADT was legitimizing deceit. Our soldiers, sailors, marines, and air force service members are better than that and worthy of our trust and each other’s trust.

Integration of the armed forces worked when we finally had a President who had the courage to stand on priciple rather than politics. Women in the military are proving themselves now; the real problems are with the men who can’t handle it, not the women. Freeing gays to serve openly will work, too.

Oh, there will be stories of those who quit over this. There will be tensions as a new mode of behavior is required of everyone in the military – what will happen to all the jokes about gays? Bigger question for me will be with spousal benefits for married gay service members: housing and health care come to mind. Maybe this “legitimization” will help break down other societal barriers to acceptance of gays in civilian life in general.

Good for the U.S.A. We can live up to our ideals, even when we have to overcome centuries of dogmatic thinking that just is plain wrong.

schrutebeets

December 18th, 2010
7:02 pm

That’s not what I stated at all, “usually lurking.”

Fred

December 18th, 2010
7:05 pm

Well then what ARE you saying schrutebeets? Your first post was a bit irrational but your second one quite lucid. It’s tough to see what you are saying and where you are coming from……..

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
7:06 pm

WASHINGTON — A senior aide to David Petraeus, commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, is out with a strong statement in support of repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT), saying that service members who can’t adjust to the change should think about leaving the military.

“If there are people who cannot deal with the change, then they’re going to have to do what’s best for their troops and best for the organization and best for the military service and exit the military service, so that we can move forward — if that’s the way that we have to go,” said Command Sergeant Major Marvin Hill
____________________________

New US policy,

Don’t ask, don’t tell… if you’re a homophobe.

Fred

December 18th, 2010
7:08 pm

Why do you care Dannyx? All of us (well except for gays) who serve or served in the killing complex are murderers……..

crabapplejoe

December 18th, 2010
7:10 pm

Darn….if Congress had just gone ahead and passed the Dream Act today the military would have had tens of thousands of gay Hispanics to go fight our endless war in Afghanistan……what a waste of resources. Instead, they will end up joining gangs and car-jacking me and others.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

December 18th, 2010
7:35 pm

More social engineering from folks you would not hire to run a lemonade stand, much less prosecute a war. Recruiting will suffer greatly over time (I will not allow my children to enlist, as will most parents), and then we will get to the liberals’ real purpose – a draft that will be utilized for the mother of all social engineering efforts (outside of our public schools). Just another reason (among many these days) to short Treasuries.

Fred

December 18th, 2010
7:40 pm

Gee Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. We don’t WANT your spineless children to enlist. If they have neither the mental capacity nor the backbone to enlist if THEY want to we don’t need them. They can’t enlist until they are old enough to make their own decisions. So at what age WILL you “let” your children make decisions for themselves? 60? 65?

crabapplejoe

December 18th, 2010
7:48 pm

At least one of “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy’s” kids are gay….he just doesn’t know it yet…..

BW

December 18th, 2010
8:03 pm

I’m sorry to inform all you Christians out there…but only God can judge anyone…including you. Everyone has skeletons in their closets even if they haven’t come out yet. This will pass and there’s nothing more to be said about it.

BW

December 18th, 2010
8:03 pm

Vast Right Wing

If your kids want to enlist after they’re 18 there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it.

Lost My Bible

December 18th, 2010
8:05 pm

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy@7:35 pm

If any of your kids are teenagers and haven’t told you to F off at least once you will probably have some problems down the road, because you are raising droids not children.

:-)

Richard B. Hertz

December 18th, 2010
8:10 pm

I don’t know why the conservatives here are so committed to a world where discrimination, fear, and prejudice are acceptable and freedom and justice take a back seat to bigotry in our largest national institutions. Even worse are the clowns who claim there is no bigotry as they demand more of it. Pathetic. The stereotyping of gay people reveals the bigotry and small mindedness of our worst Americans, and the repeal of DADT shows the triumph of a great nation. A nation where fear and prejudice no longer predominate.

BW

December 18th, 2010
8:15 pm

Richard Hertz

It’s because for once in their lives they get to win. And they think it makes them happy. In reality their lives still suck and they remain pissed out. I feel sorry for them actually.

Don't Ask/Don't Dream

December 18th, 2010
8:27 pm

Watch out GI Joe! Don’t bend over in the shower to pick up the soap.

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
8:32 pm

Most of you Republicans will try to keep your kids far away from the military. Remember Iraq? Your own president Bush told you our freedom was in jeopardy, yet all our young Republicans decided to take a pass. Privileged chicken hawk 20 something Republicans decided their educations and careers were more important, they couldn’t be bothered. It wasn’t the liberals that let Bush down, everyone knew they would be ant- war, Bush got burned by his own anti-fighters. The Republican Chickenhawks watched from the sidelines as their easy war fantasy became an ugly reality.

Who is acceptable for admission into the Christian army? Who gets to do the fighting in the wars you Republicans love others to fight? No young Republicans, no gays? You sure have narrowed the field.

Mexicans?

Horsefeathers

December 18th, 2010
8:39 pm

BW, I am glad to tell you that GOD makes it very clear in the bible that homosexuality is an abomination to him and it also says that homosexuals will NOT see the kingdom of Heaven. How does that fit with your deceived attitude about homosexuality. I served in the military when I was young but I would now NOT do that again. BW, which branch did you serve in? Cynthia, I would be interested in which branch you were in as well.

hdhd

December 18th, 2010
8:42 pm

Our men and women in uniform stand up and defend our nation at home and abroad everyday. If they can’t stand up next to a fellow soldier that happens to be homosexual and do the same damn good job, they don’t deserve to wear the uniform.

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
8:46 pm

I am glad to tell you that GOD makes it very clear in the bible that divorce is an abomination to him and it also says that divorced people, especially divorced women, will NOT see the kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus hates divorce. If you are divorced and have ever prayed in public Gods killing machine is not for you.

If you are divorced God hates you and doesn’t want you to kill people.

Divorce is a CHOICE!

Veteran

December 18th, 2010
8:49 pm

@ Horsefeathers

Your reference to the Bible is true in regard to the word of God, however God also advised us to follow the laws of the land. You seem to believe that this law is going to bring about some drastic change. Well, there were many closeted Homosexuals serving then and always have been. I am a homosexual Veteran of the U.S Military who served 8 years during the 1980’s. and I could not be happier than I am right now. To know that all those soldiers who were dismissed and discriminated against have actually won today!

I’m with you Cynthia!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

TnGelding

December 18th, 2010
8:52 pm

The timing is all wrong with two wars in progress and stop-loss being invoked. Those serving that are adamantly opppsed should be able to request an honorable discharge.

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
8:58 pm

Horsefeathers, what are your sins? I’m allowed to ask. Its in the Bible. I’m invoking the “judge not” clause. I’m now allowed to judge you Horsefeathers, you waived your right to not being judged when you judged all those gays to hell.

What are your sins Horsefeathers. Give us the nasty details of all the things God would kick you out of his killing machine for. And his heaven.

You other judges too! Come on Isaiah Scout the rest of ya.

Fess up.

Horsefeathers

December 18th, 2010
9:01 pm

To DannyX, Apparently you are not as well versed in the bible is you want ppl to believe. I am not judging anybody. I simply stated what is very clear in the bible. Also, the bible does NOT say that divorce is an abomination. You need to catch up, bud.

killerj

December 18th, 2010
9:08 pm

We have done as the Roman,s have done,history truly repeats itself,God Help Us.

Horsefeathers

December 18th, 2010
9:14 pm

Well, Danny, sounds like you are homosexual and are trying to defend it. In my opinion, there is no way you can defend the actions of homosexuals. As far as ‘my sins’, I didn’t say I don’t have sins. At least I am not trying to legislate them into law.
How about you? I pray and ask for my sins to be forgiven. Homosexuals just try to legislate their sins into law. Its called being blinded to the truth.

Jeff is online again

December 18th, 2010
9:14 pm

Never had a problem with them serving. Women and men regardless of sexual preference have always made great contributions to America.

Answer

December 18th, 2010
9:20 pm

On the positive side the Dream Act fell five votes short — finally some understand “Illegal is Illegal”!!!!

Sam

December 18th, 2010
9:20 pm

What a sad day for our nation and the military. :(

Danny X marks the spot

December 18th, 2010
9:23 pm

Dannnyx Jesus certainly wouldn’t take it in the butt or mouth from another man. That is so perverted. The lesbian lady above said she is bon that way and can’t help it. She doesnt’t have to perform perverted behavior like eating fur-burgers and such. Child molesters can claim they were born that way and can’t help it. That is a bunch of malarkey also and we don’t condone their peverted behavior but are being forced by a government of sick minds and media people with equally sick minds to accept this perverted behavior as normal. It is not normal it is sick. Also the whackos that the integration of blacks into the military service worked out fine and this will too. First being black is not the same as being a person with pervered behavior. It was only right that blacks were accepted as equal (Except Tucker – a mental case) and included in all things American. But a man that will let another man kiss him on the mouth and put a penis in his cavities is just mentally ill and not a normal person. There is no such thing as homophobic just a case of recognizing reality. OK you suckos fire back.

crabapplejoe

December 18th, 2010
9:29 pm

@Answer who wrote: “On the positive side the Dream Act fell five votes short — finally some understand “Illegal is Illegal”!!!!”

Yep, it was a great victory for America…..instead of having these kids enlist in our military…..let’s let them join gangs. For most, their only crime was to hold their mother’s hands as they crossed the border at age 2 (or 7, or 10)….now let’s continue to destroy their lives and force them into crime….makes perfect sense from a “societal viewpoint”…..why don’t you scream at the next “busboy, roofer, waiter, carpenter, etc. who is working for you “what part of illegal do you not understand”…LMAO at the ignorance of some people

Fur Burger?

December 18th, 2010
9:32 pm

What the heck is a “fur burger?”

Ponder

December 18th, 2010
9:34 pm

“…those of us who are constantly agitating to change the nation — to improve its policies, to perfect its justice, to broaden its opportunity…”.

Interesting statement CT, which I fully support as long as the outcome are secure borders, an end to entitlements for the generational government dependents, repeal of Obamacare and every other boondoggle PresBO, Reid and Pelosi have forced upon us, and correction of political correctness gone too far…

Dave

December 18th, 2010
9:36 pm

buckhead willie

December 18th, 2010
9:36 pm

I wonder if John McCain is ever distracted from his very serious senatorial duties when Lindsey Graham is peeing at the urinal beside him. That would be the awfulest thing. I’ll betcha that Lindsey is checking out Saxby and Johnny every time.

Answer

December 18th, 2010
9:40 pm

Crabapple 9:29 — sad, but in the end, they are still considered criminals under the law!!

Flash

December 18th, 2010
9:40 pm

It is terribly, terribly unfortunate that a vote guaranteed to be recorded in American history forever, will list the senators from Georgia as standing on the side of bigotry and prejudice. They rendered no service for the people of our state, or for the people of America. Terrible terrible shame.

TruthBe

December 18th, 2010
9:45 pm

Homosexuality is abomination to JESUS CHRIST

buckhead willie

December 18th, 2010
9:46 pm

Dear Flash, Georgia Senators have ALWAYS stood on the side of bigotry and prejudice. Nothing has changed. Sam Nunn was the architect of this crap. Even he has said it should now be scrapped.

All of you ‘chrissschunns’ think you can judge without being judged. You should read the New Testament. You should give up your addiction to Glenn Beck, a devout Mormon.

M

December 18th, 2010
9:46 pm

Homosexuality didn’t even make God’s Top Ten list, so shut up about it already.

TruthBe

December 18th, 2010
9:47 pm

Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD. JESUS CHRIST said to “Love the Sinner and hate the sin”. JESUS NEVER said to embrace or tolerant the sin.

buckhead willie

December 18th, 2010
9:49 pm

TruthBe,

I think you are a NUT. Get a life, girl.

M

December 18th, 2010
9:50 pm

Please give me chapter and verse where Jesus said “Love the sinner and hate the sin.”

I’ll wait.

luckydog

December 18th, 2010
10:01 pm

I think we should have an all gay military. How about that you liberals?

crabapplejoe

December 18th, 2010
10:03 pm

@Answer who wrote: ” sad, but in the end, they are still considered criminals under the law!!

Well yeah…and so it the kid who drank a beer at 18 (I know you never did, since you are perfect)…..or the 55 year old woman who had two white wines at dinner and got a DUI….etc….so let’s destroy those folks lives as well….”What part of “criminal” do you not understand”

Mike

December 18th, 2010
10:05 pm

So CT, since you are so patriotic and have such high ideals, then why are you not advocating for the polygamists or the transgendered to join the military? Shame on you for being so discriminatory and your prejudiced!! Why do you get to set the moral and ethical tone? I served my country for over 24 years in the Marines, yet you probably haven’t set foot inside a military recruiting center to shake the hands of the brave men and women who serve, but then have the audacity to say that the Marine Commandant is prejudiced? Lady, he is in uniform so that you and I and ALL Americans can say and believe and have their own opinion. That’s what the Bill of Rights calls Freedom of Speech. General Amos wears his uniform proudly to uphold the ideals of this great nation and would gladly shed his blood so those like you can sit on your arse and criticize those who serve. I love liberals, when you agree with them you are patriots, when you disagree with them you are prejudiced. It’s called FREEDOM missy!!! Say a prayer tonight for my fellow brothern and sisters serving on the front lines in hostile territory just so you can have the liberties you exercise. You and the left nuts disgust me because you don’t have the guts to put your life on the line for any “ideal” as you call it. But you are mighty happy someone else does. Do us all a favor, suit up and head to Afghanistan for just one month. Live in a foxhole on the front lines. You’ll come back with a different perspective on true freedom and liberty.

Billyboy

December 18th, 2010
10:15 pm

As a 20 year career Marine, if you really love your country so much, then you should volunteer. After 1 year, I bet you will change your mind.

TruthBe

December 18th, 2010
10:16 pm

buckhead willie, i think you are a pervert.

Tom from Ohio

December 18th, 2010
10:18 pm

Thank you for this excellent concise response to the repeal. Too often conservative voices attack more liberal voices as being unpatriotic. Patriotism is alive and well in both camps. How we live out this patriotism in our everyday lives may differ but still show a love for our country. The time was right to address this civil right injustice. I agree, to the dust bin!

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
10:24 pm

And then you have the likes of Mike. Poor guy is delusional. His America is focused on his point of view only. He is so in love that his fantasy that he forgets he is now in the minority.

He no longer has the familiar things to cling on to. Like that always bunk “Military Times” internet poll.

Reality rears its ugly head and Mike decides to ignore it. The facts are the facts. Most military officers are very much in favor of gays serving openly. SHOCKING!! Military personnel, by a large majority are in favor of gays serving openly. SHOCKING. The American public is ready for gay to serve openly. SHOCKING.

Yet in Mike’s small world none of that matters. He’s got his fantasy to protect. How ironic.

TruthBe

December 18th, 2010
10:25 pm

M, KJV Amos 5:15. GOD Bless you.

Tommy Maddox

December 18th, 2010
10:26 pm

“Many conservatives tend to argue that those of us who are constantly agitating to change the nation — to improve its policies, to perfect its justice, to broaden its opportunity — aren’t real patriots.”

No ma’am, many conservatives consider you lost or misguided.

TruthBe

December 18th, 2010
10:28 pm

This Gay Agenda will lead us down a road of destruction just like what happen in the Bible.

M

December 18th, 2010
10:31 pm

Nice try, but that’s not what it says, and it ain’t Jesus talking.

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
10:52 pm

“This Gay Agenda will lead us down a road of destruction just like what happen in the Bible.”

Agreed. This gay agenda is everywhere. They have infiltrated many areas of society that we don’t even realize. The gay agenda is everywhere.

Dds you know the gays infiltrated pro football? Yep, they did. Bet you didn’t expect that. Proof? Just turn on your HD television set. Somehow they got the football players to wear those male ballet pant like uniform. Its like the player is wearing a pair of chaps or something. So much so you get Tom Brady’s rear end up close and personal every time the Patriots wear white. Same with Matt Ryan.

Yep, Sunday football is being used as a gay recruiting tool. Falcons vs Patriots Superbowl, Brady vs Ryan. A gay recruiters dream.

JKL2

December 18th, 2010
10:53 pm

The only good thing is that the DoD already has a policy defining marriage as a bond between man and women.

Now if we could just recruit gay illegal aliens then I’d really feel safe..

Tommy Maddox

December 18th, 2010
10:55 pm

I guess some folks really enjoy contact sports.

gertrude mcfuzz

December 18th, 2010
11:04 pm

I’d be fine with a exclusive conservative christian military. Conservativc christians are the worst of America and the fewer there are the better.

crabapplejoe

December 18th, 2010
11:17 pm

Why can’t we just all get along…..

Tommy Maddox

December 19th, 2010
12:32 am

Hey Gertrude – you ever sing “Onward Christian Soldiers” while you were a child and prior to reaching the age of accountability? Does “pillar of salt” mean anything to you child?

And you should be proud to have whatever kind of military out there supporting your right to flap your jowls.

Jim Bob

December 19th, 2010
12:49 am

That’s all we need – a bunch of homos in the military

Acer706

December 19th, 2010
2:41 am

The “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” past has absolutely nothing to do with the PC Mombo Jumbo that the establishment[s] uses as a political crutch.

Drop it.

Google: “Gay Islam”

Any other issues need not apply… if you do not like… then move along.

Horsefeathers

December 19th, 2010
2:59 am

MikeX, What in the world are you smoking???? You seem to be delusional about the Military officers wanting gays in the military. I doubt that you have ever served a day in the Military of this country!

Shawn

December 19th, 2010
4:17 am

This should never, ever, ever have been an established law in the first place. It does not remove the stain of the Congress for having enacted this law, they get no bonuses for repealing it. 17 years of bigotry and hatred. Who suffered more, them or those who were affected by the law? It was stupid and homophobic! I am so pissed at our government for even creating that law. The courts should have pulled this issue out from under the feet of Congress long ago and removed the ban by force! Then research studies were done to find out if would be okay to repeal the ban. Research studies over 17 years. You do not put discriminatory policy into law, and then repeal it, like you just became the great providers of American justice.

This country needs to evolve and grow up! Leave the GLBT community alone and give us all equal treatment and benefits – without question or discussion. It just happens! Period. No debate, no policies, no votes, no congressional committees, it is just recognized as fact that the GLBT community is fully equal. Thats it, end of story! Now those who serve have to wait for the repeal to be “certified”. Why? People who serve should be able to simply come out and be accepted with no issues, no waiting, and no penalty. GLBT people should not ever be seen as second class citizens, who have to wait for the great blessings of Congress and the Pentagon and for them to get out of our way so we can exercise our rights – that we already possess – just for being human!

Rhino59

December 19th, 2010
7:40 am

“….despite the statements of Marine Commandant James Amos, who insisted that a non-discriminatory Marine Corps will mean more dead U.S. Marines on the battlefield. That’s sheer and utter nonsense, more a testiment to his prejudices than to any evidence that gay Marines do not serve with courage and honor…..”

Sure, Cynthia, let’s all believe you and your “politically correct” opinions over the opinions of a Commandant who’s got his boots on the ground and is actually in the Marines.

Let’s face it – gay Marines with less testosterone in their system will NOT be the fighters that heterosexual Marines are, and that’s a fact. And that makes our forces weaker.

Jack

December 19th, 2010
7:59 am

It seems to me that a lot of military experts have never served.

Fred

December 19th, 2010
8:14 am

M

December 18th, 2010
9:46 pm

Homosexuality didn’t even make God’s Top Ten list, so shut up about it already.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LOL I don’t care who you are, that was funny.

Del,

December 19th, 2010
8:27 am

I don’t see how the repeal of DADT can allow gay’s to serve openly without also repealing Article 125 in the UCMJ and that requires an act of Congress.

Shellie

December 19th, 2010
8:43 am

God will not be mocked.Judgement has and will fall on this nation.Just as it did on Soddom and Gommorrah.Yes,God is a loving God…He sent His Son to die for the sins of His people.On the last day….every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus Christ is Lord. A “victory” is spoke of here,A victory?America has trully shaken It’s fist at God!Repent,turn to God and you will be saved.But I know you (Christian haters)won’t be happy until you shut the Christians down.Lord,come quickly!!!

Shellie

December 19th, 2010
8:52 am

But what about the pedosexuals and the beastosexuals?We know their time is coming.All will be exceptable in a corrupt world because “they are born that way” .Well news for y’all.We are ALL born into sin,and God hates sin!!God gave us our conscience.No…it did not come from primordial sludge…God gave it to us.Yes,when people say that they WILL NOT serve a God that does not want people to be happy,well that is just fine.His glory will shine forever, no matter if you believe on Him or not! Believe on Him and be saved,be reconciled to the Father.!He is righteous and just,and holy!!!We are not!!

carlosgvv

December 19th, 2010
9:07 am

When I was in the Navy a number of gay men were found out and discharged. This took some time and caused a great deal of disruption amoung the straight men. This was in peacetime. So, when a majority of lawmakers who have never set foot in the service repeal DADT in wartime, it shows just how little they value servicemen’s lives and how much they want the majority vote.

Fang1944

December 19th, 2010
9:10 am

One of the reasons we won the Revolution was that a Prussian officer named Baron von Steuben drilled the troops at Valley Forge and taught them to fight like real soldiers. Von Steuben was gayer than Christmas.

Important to winning WW2 was Alan Turing’s invention of The Bomb, the device that cracked the German Enigma code. Turing was gay, and British law of the time forced him to be chemically castrated, leading to his suicide.

Just two examples of the wartime service of gays to democracy.

We’ve gone from the days when it was death to let anybody know you were gay to DADT to gays openly serving in the military. There is progress after all.

gertrude mcfuzz

December 19th, 2010
9:20 am

Disband the U.S. military.

howard

December 19th, 2010
9:23 am

Race, creed, color, sex or sexual orientation have little to do with true grit. Great athletes have come in each of these “boxes”…as have great leaders of social change…In any endeavor the only question that need be asked is “why not the best?”….

Flash

December 19th, 2010
9:23 am

The reality of this, and many other issues of basic human rights, is that none of you peoples religious beliefs have anything to do with other American’s civil rights. It really is that simple. Nothing you think, believe, pray to, or worship has anything at all to do with the rights and liberties of your neighbors. Bigotry and ignorance will never be justified. America is correcting a 17 year wrong. Your personal convictions have nothing to do with it. Somewhere along the line of history, America will actually realize the principals upon which it was founded. For everyone. We just took one more step in that direction.

captain beefheart

December 19th, 2010
9:34 am

jesus didn’t die for me and the military isn’t fighting for my freedom. Christianity and the U.S. army have done more harm then good in the World.

Fred

December 19th, 2010
10:02 am

Gee Beefheart, YOU made yourself free? YOU are an island?

What drivel. You are right, we don’t fight for ignoramuses like you. you just receive the benefit of us fighting for the freedom of real people……………..

Answer

December 19th, 2010
10:26 am

crabapplejoe @ December 18th, 2010 10:03 pm — tell you what, since you’re into warm and fuzzy feel good acts of kindness, let’s secure our border first, then perhaps we can consider the Dream Act. The reverse only rewards illegal criminal acts, which will likely increase significantly with passage of the amnesty Dream Act!!!

Keep up the good fight!

December 19th, 2010
10:48 am

But what about the pedosexuals and the beastosexuals? We know their time is coming

No law ever stopped a “beastosexual” but still waiting to hear a beast consent to marriage.

“Pedosexuals” — another hollow fear mongering point. Although the age of consent has changed over the years and may fluctuate, the law applies equally to all people. Absolutely nothing about homosexual equality creates a “slippery slope” or opens the door to this.

shellie, there are few true “christian haters”. Just stop trying to ram your beliefs and myths down everyone elses throat as law. you have the right to your beliefs, you dont have the right to force others to abide by them.

Lost My Bible

December 19th, 2010
11:00 am

Dang – All these people quoting the Bible.

I quess I must have missed out on all those ANCIENT HEBREW language classes so that I could read the Bible in its original text.

Where do I go to read that version of the Bible after I learn ANCIENT HEBREW?

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
11:12 am

Drudge trolls.

Geez….

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
11:17 am

It appears, from the critics here, that anyone who has not been in the military, ESPECIALLY Ms. Tucker, is not allowed to discuss the military. Almost every day someone will critize fer for “not knowing anything about the subject because she’s not white, military, corporate, political, etc….” And God forbid if she should ever mention a black person! RACIST!!!

I recommend a new policy. Only those who can VERIFY they have experience in a field, can talk about that field. For instance, unless you are a violent black teenager, you are not allowed to talk about black teenaged crime. Unless you are an unwed mother, you are not allowed to talk about unwed pregnancy rates. Unless you are gay, you are not allowed to talk about anything gay and unless you are straight, you are not allowed to talk about anything straight.

Sound like something we can live with?

I thought not!

BTW Isaiah…I’m still waiting for the chapter and verse where Jesus condems homosexuality.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
11:27 am

Nope! You don’t start typing just typing after you come in from the cold! Your fingers are still frozen! Those really weren’t typos.

Ralph in Orange Park, FL

December 19th, 2010
11:33 am

Officially, the US military was integrated in 1948. When I was an enlisted man in the Air Force in the 1960s, and a Department of Army civilian employee in the 1980s, I observed a lot of racism and voluntary self-segregation. I expect the same thing is going to happen with the gays.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
11:36 am

Rhino59:
“Let’s face it – gay Marines with less testosterone in their system will NOT be the fighters that heterosexual Marines are, and that’s a fact.”

Where did you pick up that “fact”? From the Inquirer? Glen Beck? Name the scientific study (from a noted scientist or university) that shows gays have less testosterone.

Keep up the good fight!

December 19th, 2010
11:44 am

The reality is that homosexuals have been part of our military forces for years, they just had to keep their sexuality a secret. Suddenly now with that “secret” being out and integrity being again foremost, our military forces are “weaker”…..absurd.

sex by surprise

December 19th, 2010
11:44 am

christianity is a disease, science will unlock the cure

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
11:52 am

Ralph,
I was in the military in the late 70’s and also saw the racism and self-segregation. The blacks and the whites had to live with it and they did. Gays will have to live with it too and they will. At least Congress made a giant step forward in removing another form of discrimination against an entire group of Americans citizens.

I look back and wonder how we ever discriminated against blacks and told them they couldn’t serve in the military or had to have black only units. Maybe 50 years from now our children will wonder how we waited so long to let gays openly serve their country.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
11:53 am

sex by surprise

Hey rapist. They found the cure for you.

Keep up the good fight!

December 19th, 2010
11:56 am

Nice, Nonsense…. calling people rapists without proof…more lies from you as expected. Now whine away. Afraid there is no cure for your continued inability to act like an adult.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
11:57 am

C Tucker

- -Today, in an unusual Saturday session,- -

It’s becoming less unusual. Anytime the Congress want to slime another unwanted bill, they do it on Saturday, during a non-existant news day.

Thank God for elections.

sex by surprise

December 19th, 2010
11:58 am

nothing is free,

I predict a darwin award in your future.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
12:04 pm

rapist

I predict a woman beating the crap out of you in your future, and your past.

jesus on the down-low

December 19th, 2010
12:05 pm

jesus was gay, this i know, for the bible tells me so:

A youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God”.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
12:06 pm

Keep up

We have yet to see proof that you are older than 12, but you are still allowed to post here.

sex by surprise

December 19th, 2010
12:06 pm

Nothing,

The only thing your capable of beating is yourself, pervert.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
12:07 pm

jesus on the down-low

Why is it that you half wits go crazy this time of year? Just because you are a bitter loser, how about if the rest of us celebrate how we want.

Unwad you panties and deal with it.

K?

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
12:09 pm

rapist

So when you graduate from middle school, will you continue your education even though you are now 18 years old?

Keep up the good fight!

December 19th, 2010
12:17 pm

Post away Nonsense…but the truth is evident in your last few posts that your childish retorts evidence your inability to act like an adult and to engage in honest discussion.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
12:19 pm

Keep up

Honest discussion?

With you, a rapist and some one who quotes scripture from the “Secret Book of Mark”. LOL!!

This isn’t a conversation, but the back of my hand is getting a little sore.

jesus on the down-low

December 19th, 2010
12:25 pm

More proof, Jesus loved him some man-meat:

Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
12:59 pm

jesus on the down-low

Still on the secret book of Mark, written 1958?

Personally, I believe in the secret book of Rambo which says that Jesus was a Green Beret.

Keep up the good fight!

December 19th, 2010
1:11 pm

Frankly, if the argument is about the Bible, whether Jesus was gay or not is an absurd distinction without much difference as to the current removal of DADT. It is contrary to the US Constitution, including equal protection under the law.

If you are talking about when the Bible was written, NONE of it was written contemporaneously with the acts or the statements made, the books were written later from memories and in a language other than English, and who knows how accurate the purported quotes are and the translations. There has been a great deal of proof of mistranslations and “books” rejected by religious leaders for their own agenda. Just because some of the physical events referenced and locations referenced does not make the purported quotes of Jesus true.

Aquagirl

December 19th, 2010
1:15 pm

Wow, despite all the gloom and doom, the sun rose today and the military has not collapsed. Color me surprised.

M

December 19th, 2010
1:42 pm

Misquoting Jesus — great book about the errors in Bible translations.

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
1:42 pm

…and who knows how accurate the purported quotes are and the translations.

Blessed are the cheese-makers.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
1:48 pm

Keep up

You are under the sad assumption that I am concerned about the opinion of someone who’s blog name is Jesus on the down-low. I was toying with the half wit, much like I do with you. It probably doesn’t bid well for my attraction to poking the monkeys through the bars, but I never claimed to be perfect.

There are many ancient texts that have been associated with the bible, and of course there are the many direct translations from the Aramaic and Hebrew scripts. Which texts are “supposed” to be in the Bible have never been a concern to me. The behavior of people which lived 2,000 years ago have very little to do with my faith.

The Secret Book Of Mark is a different interpretation of an encounter that Jesus had with a young man. The term “loved” was used liberally in the entire bible and often spoke of the love between men. Like the term “gay”, homosexuality has succeeded in putting a perverted or dirty aspect to this age old phenominum which is celebrated by sports teams, fraternities, families and just good friends. He was naked because he was wearing fine linens when he was captured by soldiers and they took his clothes.

I have found that most homosexual men have simply not emotionally matured past adolescence where everything is sexual. Personally I can read both accounts and conclude that Jesus was not a homosexual, but then again, I have emotionally matured past adolescence.

I believe the “Old Testament” is mostly historical with some of the stories being passed from other religions and often written by scribes either many years after the events or told by returning soldiers from battles. I believe we now call these stories “War Stories”. Irregardless, it is wonderful reading and was the first book I downloaded to my Kindle.

The New Testament is mostly parables which should teach us the secrets of living a good and fulfilled life. There is historical context, but in the basic philosophy of Christianity, history is simply lessons and only the foolish and damned can not learn those lessons.

As far as what I believe about Jesus, that’s wavering into the “None of your Business” category.

What astounds me is this penchant by non-believers to hate the fact that Christians love Christmas. My gig yesterday involved some fantastic, nice traditional Christmas Music. The fact that these people have such a problem with an event like that shows their depravity and lack of intelligence.

My religious beliefs could be considered very radical to most Christians, but I would fight to the death for anyone’s right to enjoy this holiday and their religion. Freedom OF Religion, not from religion is why we have a United States.

Atheists appears to be bitter losers who deeply resent the fact that so many people enjoy something that they choose to denigrate.

M

December 19th, 2010
1:51 pm

Nothing Is Free,

Here’s a hint…there ARE NO original Bible texts. They simply don’t exist (or haven’t been found yet). The earliest texts in existence are dated to hundreds of years after the originals were supposedly written, and there’s variance in those.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
2:03 pm

M

Here’s another hint: reread my post and try to understand what I said.

Remember this paragraph?

I believe the “Old Testament” is mostly historical with some of the stories being passed from other religions and often written by scribes either many years after the events or told by returning soldiers from battles. I believe we now call these stories “War Stories”. Irregardless, it is wonderful reading and was the first book I downloaded to my Kindle.

I said the same thing as you said except I didn’t make the witless statement : – -there ARE NO original Bible texts- -

What do you call the first texts that were written from memory and dictation?

But you thought you were making yet another dramatic agnostic point.

Do you ever ask yourself: Why do I resent other people’s happiness so much?

Merry Christmas to you.

carlosgvv

December 19th, 2010
2:11 pm

Nothing is Free

There are no original Bible texts now in existense. What we have are copies of copies, etc. The originals have long since been lost to history.

kevinbgoode

December 19th, 2010
2:17 pm

Nothing is Free sez: “Like the term “gay”, homosexuality has succeeded in putting a perverted or dirty aspect to this age old phenominum which is celebrated by sports teams, fraternities, families and just good friends.”
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What exactly is “perverted” or “dirty” about homosexuals?

captain beefheart

December 19th, 2010
2:23 pm

the immaculate deception was a ruse created by mary and joseph to cover their sexual picadillos…

kevinbgoode

December 19th, 2010
2:29 pm

Nothing is Free sez: “I have found that most homosexual men have simply not emotionally matured past adolescence where everything is sexual. Personally I can read both accounts and conclude that Jesus was not a homosexual, but then again, I have emotionally matured past adolescence. ”

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What a strange thing to say – particularly if one examines that the only historical group in society which has been allowed to express adolescent sexual urges – openly – throughout life are heterosexual men. Everything from commercial advertising to the bulk of pornography to the “locker room talk” to the use of women to boost morale of straight soldiers during wartime has been directed at the celebration of the openly “adolescent” straight male obsession with sexuality. . .and not just their own – straight men have had the special social right to project imagined fantasies about the sexuality of everyone else, too – and express those projections openly.

Up until the end of the 19th century, it was a widely held belief that women were incapable of having an orgasm without a man – thus most legislation criminalizing homosexuality had to do with acts between men rather than between women. Another projection of the emotional state of the “normal” straight man, who also considers it “normal” for them to engage in such open projection, imagination and judgement of what they claim are the sexual experiences of others.

And yet straight men never explain where they get this expert knowledge about the sexual experiences of others, particularly “homosexuals.” We know they didn’t learn them in sex education classes in schools, because conservatives historically didn’t even allow the mention of their existence. And what motivation would a straight male have to seek out such knowledge on their own, since the apparent conduct between “homosexuals” would have nothing to do with the desires and the righteous, monogamous, emotionally mature attitudes so allegedly innately held by men whose peepee points in the self-proclaimed “right” direction?

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
2:32 pm

carlosgvv

- -There are no original Bible texts now in existense.- -

First: So what? What are you trying to say? To a believer, the writings were driven by the power of God. so whether it be the sheep skin which the original stories were ascribed or one hundred versions, later, it is still the word of God.

Secondly, almost no tests older than the fourth century have survived, except the ones written in stone by cultures who dod that sort of thing. Many of the “adventures” of the Israelites vs the Egyptians are also documented by the Egyptians, but again, what is your point?

If you are digging for reasons to discredit religion, three years of advanced theology taught me a lot more than you could ever submit.

My point is that this campaign by atheists to discredit religion at this time of the year, while offering nothing, NOTHING to counter the good will that people seem to share in helping the less fortunate, point to atheists as bitter, small people with very little knowledge of human nature or world history in general.

Good will to all.

Be kind to your fellow man.

Love one another.

Get close to your family.

Have a holiday which Children love.

Have a Merry Day

Yes, I can certainly see why atheists would be so quick to try and denigrate this holiday.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
2:36 pm

Nothing Is Free: (except hot air)

Wrote: “The fact that these people have such a problem with an event like that shows their depravity and lack of intelligence.”

Let’s see…a Jew or Muslim or Hindu not enjoying YOUR music makes them depraved and lacking in intelligence? It sounds more like it makes you lacking in the Christianity that you so loudly profess!

My father taught me that when someone brags on his Christianity like you do, that you’d better hang onto your wallet!

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
2:36 pm

kevinbgoode

Merry Christmas.

M

December 19th, 2010
2:39 pm

So which translation is the word of God, and which ones are the ones with errors? God doesn’t make mistakes, you know.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
2:41 pm

somewhereinga

- -Let’s see…a Jew or Muslim or Hindu not enjoying YOUR music makes them depraved and lacking in intelligence? It sounds more like it makes you lacking in the Christianity that you so loudly profess!- -

Jews and Muslims support great causes which help the less fortunate. They also don’t spend their money to put up billboards, showing their need to overtly condescend to people who do enjoy the religious aspect of this holiday.

- -My father taught me that when someone brags on his Christianity like you do, that you’d better hang onto your wallet!- -

Your father should have taught you how to read. Please point out where I even said that I was a Christian.

M

December 19th, 2010
2:43 pm

Atheists don’t need to discredit religion. Christians do a fine job of that on their own.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
2:43 pm

M

- -So which translation is the word of God, and which ones are the ones with errors?- -

It’s which ever translation you decide is the true one. That’s called freedom.

- -God doesn’t make mistakes, you know.- -

I visit this blog fairly regularly. If that is true, then he has a hell of a sense of humor.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
2:47 pm

M

- -Atheists don’t need to discredit religion. Christians do a fine job of that on their own.- -

Maybe you could start contacting these atheist organizations that pay for those billboards and other advertisements. You could tell them that it just makes them look like pathetic, angry people who resent the happiness of others. You could suggest that they use that money to help the poor. That might start to turn the tide against the belief that atheists are self centered, pathetic, ego-driven half wits who can’t stand the fact that other people are happy.

It might be worth a shot.

M

December 19th, 2010
2:48 pm

That makes less sense than any other post I’ve seen here, and that’s saying something.

M

December 19th, 2010
2:49 pm

Nothing,

I’ll do that as soon as you contact all the Christian organizations that use their money to hide/relocate abusive priests, publicly campaign against Prop 8 in California, and burn/censor books in libraries to give that money to the hungry instead.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
2:50 pm

Nothing is free: You are absolutely right. I should have said “My father taught me that when someone brags on his religion like you do, that you’d better hang onto your wallet” but the only thing he knew was Christianity.

carlosgvv

December 19th, 2010
2:51 pm

Nothing is Free

The profound ignorance and immaturity shown by religious nuts like you never ceases to amaze me. You need to stop embarrassing yourself here by taking your intellectual and emotional inadequacies elsewhere.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:02 pm

M

Merry Christmas. Try to tolerate a little happiness. You know that you could grow up and participate.

Fun, happiness, celebration. You should try it sometime.

somewhereinga

The discussion was about religion. I was giving my point of view. If you consider that bragging, apparently semantics is not your strong suite. ‘

carlosgvv

Ooooh. String of insults by someone I don’t know . . . nor care to know.

That behavior probably made you an important person in middle school, but we are adults here. Try to behave accordingly.

mork

December 19th, 2010
3:04 pm

Glad to see a reduction in manger scenes on govt. property. Happy Holidays.

kevinbgoode

December 19th, 2010
3:05 pm

Nothing is Free sez: “My point is that this campaign by atheists to discredit religion at this time of the year, while offering nothing, NOTHING to counter the good will that people seem to share in helping the less fortunate, point to atheists as bitter, small people with very little knowledge of human nature or world history in general.”
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It remains one of the arrogant characteristics of ‘religious” conservatives that they alone are in charge of defining “religion” for everyone – and then masking it as an expression of “freedom.” Naturally, it goes without discussion that this claim to sole interpretation of scripture is dependent on the perpetration of a notion that the heirarchy or righteousness was constructed specifically to deify themselves – so they cling to the tradition of patriarchal privilege and heterosupremacy. This is more about power over others than any sort of honor or morality – and they know it.

jen

December 19th, 2010
3:06 pm

everybody know the last supper was a orgy for jesus and his 12 buds

M

December 19th, 2010
3:06 pm

Where does it say I’m not happy? I’m having a blast.

Reading may not be your strong “suite.” Heh.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:08 pm

Mork

I’m glad to see Toys For Tots and all the other Christmas Charities.

Let me guess: You are a “glass half empty” kind of guy.

kevinbgoode

December 19th, 2010
3:09 pm

Nothing is Free sez: “That might start to turn the tide against the belief that atheists are self centered, pathetic, ego-driven half wits who can’t stand the fact that other people are happy.”

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This is, of course, coming from someone who apparently chose a “religious” belief on the completely unselfish notion of being promised “everlasting life” and that his image was elevated above all other free citizens simply because. . .well, because he chose a church which elevated people like himself to a higher level of self-righteousness.

Of course this makes him happy.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:10 pm

kevinbgoode

Power over others? LOL!!

Beter watch out

Better not cry,

Better be good . . .

Yea, I guess I can see that.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:11 pm

jen

I think they were watching some sort of sports event. After all, they are all on one side of the table.

mork

December 19th, 2010
3:12 pm

the last temptation of christ was a great snuff film

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:13 pm

M

The problem isn’t your own happiness. See what I mean when I say that people like you are self centered?

The happiness of Christmas comes from making others happy.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:15 pm

mork

A great snuff film.

You are calling a snuff film great.

So you are “in to” snuff films.

Perhaps TMI

mork

December 19th, 2010
3:17 pm

i root for the lions in gladiator movies

M

December 19th, 2010
3:17 pm

Nothing,

You can’t even remember what you posted three posts up.

kevinbgoode

December 19th, 2010
3:18 pm

Nothing is Free sez: “The problem isn’t your own happiness. See what I mean when I say that people like you are self centered?

The happiness of Christmas comes from making others happy.”
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One really shouldn’t need a particular holiday to do that, should they?

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
3:18 pm

Nothing is free; “The discussion was about religion. I was giving my point of view. If you consider that bragging, apparently semantics is not your strong suite. ”

No, actually you were telling us how much better you are than those people who haven’t apparently found the same version of God that you have. They are depraved and lacking in intelligence. Those who choose not to believe are
people who “appear to be bitter losers who deeply resent the fact that so many people enjoy something that they choose to denigrate.”

Yes…you are bragging about your religious beliefs.

mork

December 19th, 2010
3:19 pm

jesus is a pagan pickle puffer

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:23 pm

kevinbgoode

- -One really shouldn’t need a particular holiday to do that, should they?- -

One shouldn’t be going out of their way to preach at others that a holiday that celebrates kindness to others is wrong.

Are you having a hard time understanding this?

M

December 19th, 2010
3:23 pm

Nobody’s doing that, and you’re a troll.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:28 pm

somewhereinga

Sorry that you are taking all this so personal.

I have learned two things about non-believers or at least the people who call themselves atheists.

1. They are a lot like a Jehovah’s Witness on steroids. No one likes to push their beliefs on other people like an Atheist. Just someone even discussing religions infuriates them.

2. While they have no problem saying pretty much whatever they want to anyone who is a believer, they have incredibly thin skin.

So you haven’t taught me anything different than what I already knew.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:29 pm

mork

So now you have convinced any adult that you are either 12 years old or you have the emotional maturity of a 12 year old.

Congratulations.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:30 pm

M

I’m a troll?

Wow, I’m devastated.

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:31 pm

mork

Snuff films and Gladiator movies.

Again, TMI.

mork

December 19th, 2010
3:32 pm

nothing,

what’s white and sticky and shoots across the sky at 1000 miles per hour? The coming of the Lord!

incentralPA

December 19th, 2010
3:32 pm

If christians want to scoff at Leviticus, then they should have a look at Romans 1:26-27, which plainly condemns homosexual acts by both sexes. But scoffing at Leviticus is a bad idea. The Catholic Church attempted to ignore Leviticus when it allowed the future English monarch Henry (later Henry VIII) to marry his brother’s widow (Catherine of Aragon). Leviticus makes clear that to marry your brother’s widow is incestuous. Catherine made the absurd claim that her marriage to Arthur Prince of Wales was never consummated (as if a teenage boy would ever not consummate anything!). For political reasons, the Vatican accepted this claim and allowed the wedding. Later, for other political reasons, the Church decided to double-down and not allow Henry VIII to annul the marriage. What was the result? The essential destruction of the Catholic Church in England. Later (1588 I believe) when a Spanish fleet attempted an invasion to “recatholicize” England, it was destroyed by a storm. Thus it is clear that the Catholic Church was punished for ignoring Leviticus. The same is bound to happen to the USA and other nations ignoring it now!

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
3:34 pm

incentralPA

Cool.

M

December 19th, 2010
3:35 pm

incentralPA,

Shouldn’t you be out stoning people for working on the Sabbath?

mork

December 19th, 2010
3:37 pm

god is not mocked. however, he/she loves a good tickle fight.

Lost My Bible

December 19th, 2010
3:54 pm

I started watching the billboards of them damn atheists. You know the ones about May21st.

I kept following the like the See Rock City signs on the barns.

Then I saw the billboards about the ARK in KY(and here I thought all along they only made jelly).

I couldn’t read the opening date but I think it was May21st.

G0D is a woman and boy is she PMSing.

LOL

Nothing Is Free

December 19th, 2010
4:06 pm

I’m late for a football watching party.

You guys try to have a happy holiday season. It’s smart to be happy. It lowers the blood pressure and makes interactions with other people much more rewarding.

if you can’t be happy during the Christmas Season, there’s really no hope for you. Just don’t make the people around you miserable. They deserve better from you.

Lost My Bible

December 19th, 2010
4:13 pm

Just don’t make the people around you miserable. They deserve better from you.

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And if it’s the people around you making you miserable?

Keep up the good fight!

December 19th, 2010
4:20 pm

What astounds me is this penchant by non-believers to hate the fact that Christians love Christmas

Ahh the false persecution card. “Non-beleivers” dont hate the fact that “Christians love Christmas”. Many “believers” do dislike the commercial overtones of what to them is to be religious holiday. “Non-believers” who are not Christian may dislike that Christmas used to be thrown out there without recognition of other holidays that are as meaning to them as yours is to you. And non-beleivers and many believers do hate when you try to impose Christmas or Christian believes into government, the courts, the schools, etc. Few, if any, have ever said you are not welcome to your believes….just stop trying to force others to participate in “Christmas”, silent prayers, overt prayers, religious symbols on government property or any other number of silly things.

“I have found that most homosexual men have simply not emotionally matured past adolescence where everything is sexual.” — frankly I think that reflects your own immaturity and prejudice. You have not met “most homosexual men” to even be a judge. But hey, let’s judge heterosexuals by the likes of those who attend strip clubs or the sexual maturity of Howard Stern and his listeners. Let’s judge most marketing people by the sexuality portrayed in their marketing

You may want to learn about that grubby twigs and berry in your face and tell me about the maturity level of sanctimonius marketing people.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
4:26 pm

incentralPA:
I hope this is tongue in cheek because I’ve never heard this before! “Thus it is clear that the Catholic Church was punished for ignoring Leviticus.”

Old Corps

December 19th, 2010
4:27 pm

A rainbow colored sexual preference ribbon will now be symbolically worn beside other ribbons standing for achievement, campaigns and valor.

It does not belong there.

May God save America.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
4:44 pm

Old Corp…
God HAS Saved America From homophobes and bigots. There will not be a rainbow colored ribbon worn next to any other ribbon. The reason? It does not belong there and no one has ever said it does. Not any more than being straight deserves a ribbon.

TGT

December 19th, 2010
5:04 pm

“‘Don’t Ask’ consigned to history’s dust bin,” but the truth about homosexuality remains:

-A twenty-five to thirty-year decrease in life expectancy

-Extremely promiscuous sexual activity

-20 times more frequent use of methamphetamine

-Primary and secondary syphilis that is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women

-A much higher rate of gonorrhea, various forms of hepatitis, and anal and genital warts

-HIV diagnoses that is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women

-Frequently fatal rectal cancer

-A much higher than usual incidence of suicide

“For the wages of sin is death.” Indeed.

Old Corps

December 19th, 2010
5:09 pm

That’s why I said “symbolically”.

By the way, don’t you think we should allow midgets to serve? They would really be useful in tanks and on submarines.

Serving in the U.S. military is NOT a right (or a blind person could join). It is a privilege albeit a less honorable one after yesterday’s vote.

The few, the proud, the Marines.
The fewer, the perverse, the Marinenettes.

Old Corps

December 19th, 2010
5:10 pm

TGT:

Thank you.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
5:11 pm

TGT
What is your source for your figures?

Old Corps

December 19th, 2010
5:18 pm

somewhereinga:

Should straight service members have the “right” to not share a room or shower with gays? After all, some people might not want to touch the water knobs after someone who has just had his **** up another man’s *** !

slade

December 19th, 2010
5:18 pm

the u.s. military is a jobs program for ignorant christian homophobes who sleep with their cousins, especially during the holidays.

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
5:23 pm

…but the truth about homosexuality remains…

The “truth according to whom?

H. Newton Malony?

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
5:24 pm

I have always wondered as I read the hateful and homophobic retoric spewed on these blogs…have some of you EVER actually met a gay man or woman and had an actual conversation with them?

I have the MOST honorable gay son who amazes me every day with his humanity. I am proud to be his father! When he told me he was gay, a little while later he found me crying and he came in and aplolgized for letting me down. I said “NO. I need to apologize to you for for not beating the %^(# out of our “friends” who would tell gay jokes around you.” Now whenever ANYONE tells a derogatory gay joke around me, I tell them my son is gay and I don’t appreciate them belittling my son. That ALWAYS stops them and they stammer and stutter. It puts a face on their bigotry.

So far he has not found a mate. When he does we will have another son in our family and he will be completely welcomed and loved.

Scout

December 19th, 2010
5:31 pm

somewhereinga:

If my son were to tell me he was gay this is what I would say (tough love):

1) I love you as my son and always will.
2) What you “feel” is one thing. What you “do” is another.
3) Some men “feel” like cheating on their wives. What they “do” is another matter.
4) I will do everything I can to help you deal with this emotionally, spiritually and even physically destructive lifestyle.
5) If you were married and having an adulterous affair, I would not let you bring that woman into our home. Neither will I allow you to bring a male sexual partner into our home.
6) Sometimes “celibacy” is the only answer and in this case it is.

David Granger

December 19th, 2010
5:32 pm

Let’s all keep in mind that…just because gays can now serve openly…it doesn’t mean that they’re not still soldiers. Everyone realizes (I certainly hope) that gays will be expected to maintain the same standards of dress and behavior as straight soldiers. Nobody will have pink hair, no “modifications” will be allowed to military uniforms (including “rainbow” pins), men will still not be allowed to wear ear-rings. Barracks will not suddenly become bath-houses, and straight soldiers will not have to endure comments about their “junk”. Straight soldiers are not allowed to wear their uniforms wherever they want, so gay soldiers won’t be allowed to, either…which means no impromptu “gay battalions” marching in gay pride parades. Outrageous flaming behavior will not be tolerated, any more than any kind of outrageous behavior is tolerated from straight soldiers.
It simply means that gays can serve our country without having to hide a big part of their life, or pretending to be something they aren’t. Gay soldiers have been defending the Constitution (with their lives, in some cases) for years, and it’s about damn time its protection is extended to them, as well.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 19th, 2010
5:37 pm

Agreed Scout…too bad your mother didn’t. Perhaps she would have reconsider if she knew what inanity you would post.

Old Corpse…too bad you really make absolutely no sense. Homosexuals have served honorably for years. but if forcing someone to lie about their sexual orientation is something to be proud of in the Marines..then at least the Air Force still teaches integrity

Old Corps

December 19th, 2010
5:37 pm

David Granger:

See my 5:18 above. I’ll catch your answer tomorrow. Got to run.

Old Corps

December 19th, 2010
5:38 pm

David Granger:

P.S. Sikhs get to wear their headgear. Nothing is sacred in the military anymore.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
5:39 pm

Scout.
The difference between you and me is that I love my children unconditionally.

TGT

December 19th, 2010
5:39 pm

According to whom? Well, of course there’s the Bible, but since that holds almost no authority with most of you libs (Interesting though that many of you often refer to Jesus in this debate.), read the sad statistics on the matter. There is plenty of good science that shows what devastation those who practice homosexuality reap.

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
5:42 pm

…read the sad statistics on the matter.

From some douchebag asshat at a theological seminary?

You’re joking, tight?

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
5:43 pm

You’re joking, “right”?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 19th, 2010
5:46 pm

Well lets see…its been shown that more non-believers know more about the bible than believers…but hey, if you dont care about accuracy, sure as a Christian about the bible.

Billybob

December 19th, 2010
5:48 pm

‘those of us who are constantly agitating to change the nation — to improve its policies, to perfect its justice, to broaden its opportunity’
Announcing an ENORMOUS Liberalism 101 ‘Intellectual Superiority’ Template ALERT…..the fact that you are stating that your ‘agitation’ is unconditionally improving, broadening and ‘perfecting’ the nation is an astounding statement Tucker. I have read some funny things from your far left liberal mind, but this takes the cake. The election seems to have knocked you completely ‘off your rocker’ ma’am. It’s fun and easy to dissect your far left liberal playbook….

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
5:52 pm

Conservative playbook 101 ALERT—-play the previous election card.

TGT

December 19th, 2010
5:52 pm

Nice language Kamchak. To whom are you referring? I’m a teacher of mathematics with an undergraduate degree in physics and two graduate degrees.

Of course, the loser in a battle of mental wits will usually resort to name-calling and insults.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
5:58 pm

Scout.

From your description of you, you sound a lot like my father. When he died none of us kids cried at his funeral. I don’t think any of us ever shed a tear. He was as authoritarian (and egotistical) as you appear. I promised myself I would never be the (alleged) parent he was. I hope I have succeeded. I hope your children make the same promise to themselves. My son is lucky. He never met his grandfather.

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
5:58 pm

I’m a teacher of mathematics with an undergraduate degree in physics and two graduate degrees.

So?

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
6:00 pm

TGT

You never answered. What is the source for your figures?

TGT

December 19th, 2010
6:05 pm

Somewhere: I’ve listed 3 links (separate posts), but the dreaded “awaiting moderation” is holding them up. CT’s blog seems to do this automatically whenever a link is posted. The moderator needs to get to work. The CDC is a source for much of the data.

somewhereinga

December 19th, 2010
6:08 pm

Is this the same CDC that the right always redicules whenever they give figures that they don’t like?

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
6:17 pm

The CDC is a source for much of the data.

Really?

I did a quick googledy search and you seem to be lifting data from H. Newton Malony’s Pastoral Care and Counseling in Sexual Diversity.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 19th, 2010
6:18 pm

TGT

December 19th, 2010
6:25 pm

Let’s try again: CDC here.

TGT

December 19th, 2010
6:26 pm

TGT

December 19th, 2010
6:28 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 19th, 2010
6:28 pm

Hmmm… as long as we are at it, lets discuss the truth about hetersexuals and their problems. Again according to the CDC (and I post my links)

Worldwide, the majority of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infections result from heterosexual transmission

Aquagirl

December 19th, 2010
6:34 pm

TGT, Since lesbians have the lowest rates of STD’s, you think that’s the healthiest lifestyle for women? No pen!s = no STD’s.

Oh, wait, women are an afterthought in your world. Sorry, didn’t mean to be uppity.

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
6:35 pm

TGT

December 19th, 2010
6:40 pm

Well of course the majority of HIV results from heterosexual transmission, because, of course, the vast majority of sexual activity worldwide is heterosexual. Although, just as with homosexuality, the vast majority of heterosexual HIV transmission results from sinful sexual (drug, etc.) behavior. The HIV rate among married monogamous heterosexuals is virtually non-existent. Also, even though the majority of HIV transmission occurs through heterosexual activity, proportionally the rate of HIV is MUCH higher among homosexuals.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 19th, 2010
6:42 pm

TGT, try this from the CDC:

Regression analyses determined that recent meth users were more likely than men who had never used meth to be sexually active with a female partner, have multiple female partners, have a casual or anonymous female partner, have anal intercourse with a casual or anonymous female partner, have a female partner who injected drugs, or have ever received money or drugs for sex from a male or female partner (Table 2). Recent meth use was not associated with reported condom use during the preceding 6 months, but this might reflect overall infrequent condom use among the 968 men in the study population, who had a median of 48 reported acts of vaginal intercourse and a median of five uses of condoms during vaginal intercourse. Recent meth users were no more likely to have been tested for HIV or chlamydial infection than were men who had never used meth. Among historical meth users, sexual activity with higher HIV-transmission risk (i.e., anal sex) was identified primarily among those with main female sex partners only. Both recent and historical meth users were more likely to report they had ever been forced into sex by a male or female than men who had never used meth. After adjustment for demographic characteristics, recent and historical meth use was associated with recent use of one or more other illicit drugs,* use of club drugs,† and specific use of marijuana, ecstasy, hallucinogens (e.g., LSD), crack cocaine, and cocaine

Aquagirl

December 19th, 2010
6:51 pm

“The HIV rate among married monogamous heterosexuals is virtually non-existent.”

This fact brought to you courtesy of TGT’s butt. Fresh from where he pulled it.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 19th, 2010
6:52 pm

Aquagirl.

Oh, wait, women are an afterthought in your world. Sorry, didn’t mean to be uppity.

——————————–

Dang you uppity woman get back in that kitchen and make me some dinner.

:-)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 19th, 2010
6:54 pm

Aquagirl@6:51 pm

TMI

LMAO

Aquagirl

December 19th, 2010
6:57 pm

Common, you know if I don’t iron the shirts while the starch is fresh they’re not to your liking.

Seeing as how TGT is so fascinated by buttsecks, I’m not surprised that’s where he gets “facts” from that region. His mind certainly spends a lot of time there.

TGT

December 19th, 2010
7:03 pm

KUGF: “Regression analyses determined that recent meth users were more likely than men who had never used meth to be sexually active with a female partner, have multiple female partners, have a casual or anonymous female partner…”

Exactly what I would expect. Your point is?

Aquagirl: Surely you jest.

This is the best you guys have?

slurp

December 19th, 2010
7:12 pm

conservative christians and fundamentalist muslims share the same ideology. Both groups are pro-torture, homophobic, and want to live in a theocracy.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 19th, 2010
7:13 pm

We can give TGT the glass navel award or better known as the pericsope award for HUAD.

Aquagirl

December 19th, 2010
7:21 pm

No TGT, I’m not jesting—-is the best you have made-up “facts?” Oh, wait—again I forget, you probably think only white folk have legitimate marriages. Everybody else is just jumping the broom, those cute little dark folk!

I’ve worked in HIV testing and prevention. I collected a paycheck working with those women who are non-existent to you. Compared to them you are a sorry excuse for a human being, more obsessed with gay-bashing than actual people who suffer.

Think about that one for a while.

scout

December 19th, 2010
7:22 pm

santa claus is not mocked

TGT

December 19th, 2010
7:24 pm

Again with “homophobe.” “Homophobe,” and its variations, is the dumbest and most misused word in the english language.

The word was coined by psychologist and gay activist George Weinberg in his 1972 book Society and the Healthy Homosexual. The book was published one year prior to the American Psychiatric Association, with a vote of 5,834 to 3,810, removing homosexuality from its list of mental disorders in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. The word became an important tool for homosexual activists and their allies. Weinberg gave them a “medical” phobia with which to attack their opponents.

Weinberg defined the word as “the dread of being in close quarters with homosexuals,” adding “It was a fear of homosexuals which seemed to be associated with a fear of contagion, a fear of reducing the things one fought for—home and family. It was a religious fear and it had led to great brutality as fear always does.”

Merriam-Webster defines it as “irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.” First of all, the word is that it makes no sense etymologically. “Homo,” from the Greek, means “the same” and “phobia,” from the Greek, means “fear.” So literally, homophobia means fear of the same.

However, the biggest problem with the term does not stem from its etymological shortcomings. The English language, like most languages, is in constant flux and is full of silly words. The biggest problem with homophobia and its variations is that they have become “snarl” words—words that, when used, are intended to induce a negative response. Such words commonly appeal to people’s emotions rather than their reasoning. The vast majority of the time, this is exactly why the word is used.

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
7:28 pm

Such words commonly appeal to people’s emotions rather than their reasoning. The vast majority of the time, this is exactly why the word is used.

You just figuring this out.

Republican wordsmith and spinmeister extraordinaire Frank Luntz has been doing this kind of linguistic work for decades.

TGT

December 19th, 2010
7:29 pm

Daddy says one day i’ll be the copy and paste king of the world

TGT

December 19th, 2010
7:33 pm

Aquagirl: My data is well referenced and you accuse me of “made-up facts?!” What I think about “legitimate marriage” is one man for one woman for life (regardless of “race”).

Since you work in HIV testing/prevention, you above most others, should know better about what leads to HIV infection. I can almost guarantee you that the vast majority of those you deal with are involved in homosexuality, prostitution, promiscuous extra-marital sex, or drug use.

As far as me being a “sorry excuse for a human being,” who are you to judge? The very thing you libs blast Conservative Christians about when it comes to homosexuality (etc.), and you then do the same?!!!

TGT

December 19th, 2010
7:36 pm

Ahh, now someone hijacking my name. Nice guys. You’re just revealing yourselves for what you are! Every word I’ve posted, other than a link or a clear quote, is mine. Again, this is the best you have?!

Aquagirl

December 19th, 2010
7:49 pm

“I can almost guarantee you that the vast majority of those you deal with are involved in homosexuality, prostitution, promiscuous extra-marital sex, or drug use.”

Because that’s what your wingnut websites say? Because otherwise you couldn’t just judge and ignore them? Sorry, charlie, I think I spent a bit more time with them than you. And I know that’s not the case.

And you’re darn right I’m judging you, anyone who will retreat into complete denial to write off other human beings is self-centered and just plain nasty.

short-bus christian

December 19th, 2010
7:52 pm

it’s adam and eve, not adam and steve

TGT

December 19th, 2010
7:59 pm

I’m not writing off anyone. However, I do believe in telling people the truth. Any sexual activity that is not between a man and a woman who are married is wrong (sinful), and will (eventually) have bad consequences. However, there is hope for all of us, no matter our past, and that is the real message of this wonderful season!

Ann

December 19th, 2010
8:13 pm

Loved the “constantly agitating to change the nation” – gee, why would that ever get tiresome to those who would like an occasional nod to what America does right. When did constantly bitching become so admirable.?

Ann

December 19th, 2010
8:16 pm

Thanks to TGT for the info regarding the word homophobia. It is a perjorative and slur against anyone who doesn’t celebrate homosexuality 24/7. Love the tolerance of the left – it’s unrecognizable from intolerance.

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)

December 19th, 2010
8:22 pm

Isn’t funny how most self-righteous, so-called christians take such delight in ’schooling’ everyone on the sins of the homosexuals but are SILENT on the subject of fornication? Fornication and it’s consequences (i.e. shackin up, out-of-wedlock children, disease, eroded social norms, etc) has done way more to degrade our so-called moral fabric than any other behavior I can think of right now. You bigoted, prejudging hipocrits ought to remember you live in a glass house the next time you undress. Please use the basement!!!

Orange10

December 19th, 2010
8:23 pm

“If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them”
(Leviticus 20:13)

Kamchak

December 19th, 2010
8:29 pm

When did constantly bitching become so admirable.?

Talk-radio has been around for thirty-five years or so.

Why has it taken you this long to pose such a question?

TGT

December 19th, 2010
8:29 pm

FEAR: See my 6:40, 7:33, 7:59. In other words, before you make blanket accusations, pay more attention.

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)

December 19th, 2010
8:35 pm

TGT: My comments were directed specifically to “bigoted, prejudging hipocrits”. Didn’t mean to step on your toes there bud.