‘Don’t ask’ consigned to history’s dust bin

Today, in an unusual Saturday session, the U.S. Senate abolished legally-sanctioned discrimination by the United States Armed Forces. Since the House has also voted to end it, the foolish “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy is assigned to the dustbin of history, along with the racially segregated Armed Forces, the belief that black men would be cowardly and unfit soldiers and the insistence that women could not fly combat aircraft.
The overwhelming vote, 65-31, came despite the statements of Marine Commandant James Amos, who insisted that a non-discriminatory Marine Corps will mean more dead U.S. Marines on the battlefield. That’s sheer and utter nonsense, more a testiment to his prejudices than to any evidence that gay Marines do not serve with courage and honor.
One of the more interesting and intellectually honest arguments that separates conservatives and liberals is over whether love of country must be unconditional. Many conservatives tend to argue that those of us who are constantly agitating to change the nation — to improve its policies, to perfect its justice, to broaden its opportunity — aren’t real patriots.
I could not disagree more. I love my country so much that I’ll do what I can to ensure that it lives up to its ideals. Today, the U.S. Senate brought it one step closer to those ideals.

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Wrong again

December 18th, 2010
3:49 pm

There is nothing good about making our military weak and more gay than it already is…I am sure china, russia, north korea and the middle east are shaking in their boots as we are the laughing stock of the world. It is an aboslute shame that our fighting men who have put their lives at risk have to put up with this type of foolishness. America is doomed.

bruce

December 18th, 2010
3:49 pm

Oh, this makes me sooo happy, I could just cry!

Iceman

December 18th, 2010
3:51 pm

Everything is not about race and discrimination in this country. There are darn good reasons that policy was in place. But with that said I am glad to see it go. It’s time.

Your “everyhting about America is racist and discriminatory” act is soooooo old. I can’t believe your still around.

George

December 18th, 2010
3:55 pm

Perhaps if the conservatives had joined the conservative Hispanics in passing the DREAM ACT, which would have allowed more Christians into this country legally, perhaps they could have stopped this. Instead conservatives hid behind the law and amnesty while pandering not to Christians but white skin worshippers! All Christians lost today!

Troglodyke

December 18th, 2010
3:56 pm

This is really good news, and I agree that it takes us in a positive direction as a country. DADT was a farce, put in place to assuage the feelings of people who should be strong enough of character not to care.

I wonder when the mass exodus of homophobic soldiers will begin. It will be a shame if a sudden rise in AWOLs due to the ban being lifted will get pushed under the rug. “Well, what can you expect? He left because he doesn’t want to be raped by his fellow soldiers.” I’m sure that will be their defense, and I’m sure the Religious Reich will have a hand in any of those defenses they can. It could be their new cause du jour. “Homosexuals are driving out soldiers in record numbers!” What a crock.

However, if gay soldiers had decided to walk out en masse if DADT was not repealed (which of course never would have happened because they want to serve their country), the hue and cry would have been deafening. “SEE!? We told you they were unfit to serve! Quitters! (add a host of other unprintable adjectives)”

Let the frothing at the mouth begin!

Susan

December 18th, 2010
3:57 pm

When I had totally given up any hope that our Congress was capable of taking any action that was responsible here they go surprising me! As a straight female I am thrilled that we are close to ending a discrimination that never should have existed. Congratulations to all who labored so hard for many years on this legislation. There is still work to be done but oh, how grand to know the law is now on the side of equal opportunity for all who proudly serve our country in the military. I am grateful to every one our armed forces members and all you do to make our country a safer place.

iRun

December 18th, 2010
3:57 pm

Oh, yeah….let’s watch the uglies come rollin on in….where’s the popcorn?

Grace

December 18th, 2010
3:57 pm

Finally…but we’re not done. Until sexual orientation is added to the federal antidiscriminatory law we have less rights than anyone else whose feet touch our soil. We can be denied housing, employment, etc., simply for being who we are. I can only speak for myself when I say that I have no choice about being a lesbian. It’s the way I was born and I’ve always known it, even before I had to words to describe it. But because that’s who I am and all I’ve ever known I’m grateful to God that I am a lesbian. I love who I am and all that God made me to be. Don’t like it? Don’t agree? Don’t understand? Too damn bad. Your opinion is irrelevant. I don’t complain or judge you because you’re straight. Your bigotry can’t touch me.

Troglodyke

December 18th, 2010
3:58 pm

Perhaps if the conservatives had joined the conservative Hispanics in passing the DREAM ACT, which would have allowed more Christians into this country legally, perhaps they could have stopped this. Instead conservatives hid behind the law and amnesty while pandering not to Christians but white skin worshippers! All Christians lost today!

Huh? Oh, wait…is this sarcasm? If so, funny!

schrutebeets

December 18th, 2010
3:58 pm

I’ve got sobering news for all those who have efforted to frame DADT repeal as a righteous crusade against discrimination and injustice.
You have your “victory.” But at what cost?
When all the rhetoric and data and passion of the fight finally fades away, you will be left with the inescapable fact that you have helped to sanction/endorse/embrace/legitimize a behavior that God Almighty calls an abomination.
Celebrate that.
Live with that.

iRun

December 18th, 2010
3:59 pm

I’m almost sorry for myself for posting something so cynical….this is a HAPPY day. I’m gonna toast all the servicemen and women. ALL of them.

FYI – only the Army has soldiers.

Way to go Cynthia

December 18th, 2010
4:02 pm

Cynthia- No one will ever miss you when you leave this paper. Leave the military policies up to the military.

Tell us again how you are a Christian. Yet you turn your back on the Bible all day long. You Democrats are really unbelievable.

abouttime

December 18th, 2010
4:05 pm

dadt had everything to do with discrimination and bigotry. nothing about that law made our military more effective. good riddance !

Troglodyke

December 18th, 2010
4:05 pm

I can only speak for myself when I say that I have no choice about being a lesbian. It’s the way I was born and I’ve always known it, even before I had to words to describe it.

Be that as it may, it should matter not. I stopped using this line a long time ago (though I’m not taking you to task for using it–not at all) because, well, why do we have to defend ourselves against people who choose to be superstitious? It should not matter whether it’s innate or chosen, it’s no one’s business in and of itself. Period.

I reject anti-gay opinions because they are rooted in religion, and I reject religion completely. And I am allowed to do so and still be a compassionate, moral human citizen of this country, since it is governed by a secular Constitution.

schrutebeets? really?

December 18th, 2010
4:09 pm

What an idiot. YOU’RE SO WRONG! I guess you don’t read the Bible, you just spout off what somenoe else has told you. 2 suggestions: educate yourself and read. Until then, crawl back under the rock you came from.

Troglodyke

December 18th, 2010
4:10 pm

When all the rhetoric and data and passion of the fight finally fades away, you will be left with the inescapable fact that you have helped to sanction/endorse/embrace/legitimize a behavior that God Almighty calls an abomination.

Really? This is what you have? Why so smug?

If your god hates it so much, why isn’t it part of the 10 Commandments? Why are there only 2 places in your holy book where it is even mentioned (and never, in regards to women)? Why didn’t his son EVER mention it? If homosexuality is so horribly offensive to your vengeful supernatural being, why doesn’t he strike us all down, right now?

Your preening is misplaced. Until you can prove any of your claims, you will continue to be dismissed.

Joyce

December 18th, 2010
4:11 pm

Big deal. We should be embarrassed that it took this long. Gays have always been in the military. Period. A few little crybabies are afraid someone’s going to look at their undersized, pathetic little weenies and be unimpressed. Most military men (underscore men) aren’t threatened and value service, loyalty and competence.

Taxmetilldeath

December 18th, 2010
4:11 pm

I find very little I agree on with this outgoing socialist oriented Congress or Mr. Obama; however, at least with this issued they will have earned a respected place in History for having the courage to abolish such ignorant and prejudicial laws.

t

December 18th, 2010
4:15 pm

LOL I knew CT you would put race into it.. The Very first line lol .. Your a loser … ohh wait a minute the second line… Its no wonder the AJC is going broke…

dcb

December 18th, 2010
4:19 pm

Tucker’s comment above “I love my country so much that I’ll do what I can to ensure that it lives up to its ideals.” is not only profound, but also undoubtedly built on her record of military service and first-hand knowledge that the repeal of “don’t ask – don’t tell” will have on the battlefront. Or could it possibly be that the closest she has come to the latter is the truth in the words “the pen is mightier than the sword”? The days of the news media only reporting the news is long gone. They now have no hesitation or shame in “making” the news with our politicians falling right in step.

We

December 18th, 2010
4:20 pm

While they are at it, why don’t they just get rid of the Christians in the country!

midtownguy

December 18th, 2010
4:20 pm

Amen, Grace. As soon as I saw the news, I offered up a prayer of thanks. God bless America.

Rafe Hollister

December 18th, 2010
4:21 pm

Hip, hip, hooray, God Bless America, I reckon. Well, can we NOW get around to something important, like repealing some regulations and government actions that make it such an unfriendly job climate. Now, that Obama’s Tax Cuts for the Wealthy has passed, we need to repeal Obamacare, give the unemployed some incentive to look for jobs, and repeal other job killing regulations.

On DADT, my only complaint was that the military was not questioned about whether it should be repealed. The survey done was deliberately drafted to get the answers the DOD wanted. It asked questions about how the end of DADT would affect them, not whether it was a good idea to end the program. The Pentagon obviously did not care what the military thought about ending DADT.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:21 pm

Thanks for that ‘update,’ Wrong again, er, I mean Chicken Little.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:22 pm

We, like it or not, you can’t legislate away Christianity.

We

December 18th, 2010
4:23 pm

But they are sure trying! Welcome to the United States of America, a.k.a. “Sodom & Gomora”

gatorman770

December 18th, 2010
4:26 pm

“…….Marine Commandant James Amos, who insisted that a non-discriminatory Marine Corps will mean more dead U.S. Marines on the battlefield. That’s sheer and utter nonsense, more a testiment to his prejudices than to any evidence that gay Marines do not serve with courage and honor”
Cindy….you get your experience and knowledge from what wars/battlefield action?

jconservative

December 18th, 2010
4:26 pm

George at 3:55 – interesting take on the issue. I have not seen this previously. Let me mull it over.

Those of you who want to blast some Republicans for voting against this bill, remember that the bill was signed into law 17 years ago by a Democratic president, Bill Clinton.

Irony. Republicans are defending a piece of Bill Clinton legislation.

“I love my country so much that I’ll do what I can to ensure that it lives up to its ideals.” Nice sentence Cynthia. This is getting into the area of American Exceptionalism that a lot of conservatives talk about but do not necessarily practice.

Cynthia, as we have previously, we agree on this issue. I just cannot understand the idea that if someone volunteers to serve his country that he should be told no. Our problem is that not enough young people elect to serve. Our problem is that not enough parents encourage their children to serve their country. As a result, recruiting standards keep getting lowered to meet manpower requirements.

Irony again. Many on the left are celebrating the passage of this legislation. Legislation to do what? Legislation that allows a gay person to legally go to war and get his/her brains blown out. Just like a straight person. Irony!

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:27 pm

I hope the gay Americans who were discharged for being gay organize and seek reparations from the government. Especially the Arab language specialists.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
4:27 pm

THE FORERUNNER OF THE SERVANT – Mark 1:2-3
“Behold, I send My messenger before your face, who will prepare your way before you, the voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord; Make His path straight”

USMC2841

December 18th, 2010
4:28 pm

When I served in the Marines there were two types “Dark Green Marines” from the inner city and “Light Green Marines” that were predominantly middle class. Neither of these groups were overly supportive of alternative lifestyles. This bill will only keep these men and women from enlisting. Those paper tiger liberals who have argued the loudest for this bill have never represented large numbers in the military and will not replace those that are lost. This can be looked at as a double victory for the radical left. First, placate the homosexuals then weaken the military.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:30 pm

We, you should try not to be so insulted when people are given their freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. If you want to spend your days worrying about Sodom and Gomorrah that’s your choice, but you might feel a little less burdened with the looming end of days if you lightened up just a bit.

Jim

December 18th, 2010
4:30 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Done deal. End of story, teabaggers. (ever looked up what that means? now there’s a nice piece of irony)

JohnnyReb

December 18th, 2010
4:31 pm

Several months past I changed my mind to support repeal of DADT. It is the right thing to do as discrimination, harrassment, embarassment, and all the other vile things humans do to each other are wrong. Young people must not be embarrassed about sex to the point of suicide. All the people in the military are heroes in my book and must be treated equally regardless of gender, race or sexual preference.

I am not yet ready to support official gay marriage as I feel it is important and a better example for children to be raised under a traditional masculine and feminine influence. I do, however, recognize it is better for a child to be loved in a gay home than have no home in which they are truly loved. And, a life long bond between a gay couple must not suffer different benefits and property rights than those of a traditional marriage. In short, I don’t have an answer for that. Who knows, one day I may change my mind and support gay marriage, but for now I am happy for those who serve where this repeal has put a smile on their face.

Matt

December 18th, 2010
4:32 pm

USMC2841, you don’t represent us and don’t even try. Most decent military men and women care about carrying out the mission and staying alive.

Aquagirl

December 18th, 2010
4:32 pm

Holy cow. Some of y’all who don’t like gay folk sure outdo them in the Drama Queen department.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:32 pm

USMC28241, the armed services is no place for fraidy cats, so here’s hoping that homophobes leave in droves, and further that they don’t enlist.

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:34 pm

One day at a time, JohnnyReb.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
4:35 pm

midtownguy

December 18th, 2010
4:36 pm

Gatorman: Cindy might not have experience but my partner of 25 years does. He is a retired Marine. He and some of the other gay former soldiers in the neighborhood are out celebrating. I am going to pick them up after they have consumed as much beer as they want and drive them all home. He served two combat terms in Vietnam. I will pass your concerns along to him and ask if he considers his battlefield service courageous and honorable.

Isaiah

December 18th, 2010
4:39 pm

@midtownguy

How’s your walk with Jesus?

somewhereinga

December 18th, 2010
4:39 pm

When it happened in Canade someone was asked and the answer was, “What do you people expect, that they are going to be hanging chintz curtains in the barracks tomorrow? It was a non-event.”

It will be a non-event here too.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

December 18th, 2010
4:42 pm

Wow, what an important story, with unemployment near 10% and the debt just continuing to rise – way to handle the important issues. Who cares, and what about DREAM failing? Guess your silence speaks volumes, sorry for ya!

jconservative

December 18th, 2010
4:44 pm

Rafe at 4:21 pm – “The Pentagon obviously did not care what the military thought about ending DADT.”

Rafe you might want to take a moment to read over this sentence and think about it a little more. I am sure you did not intend to say what you actually said. Said about yourself, to be specific.

Glad I could help.

USMC2841

December 18th, 2010
4:45 pm

I never claimed to represent anyone. In your rush to judge my statement you missed the point were I said that people would not join the military base on this bill, therefore they would never become “military men and women focused on carrying out the mission”. Any man or woman who takes and oath to defend this country should carry out that oath no matter the circumstances. I also don’t see how disagreeing with an alternative lifestyle makes one a “fraidy cat”.

Tundra Dude

December 18th, 2010
4:46 pm

Wrong Again@3:49, wrote: America is doomed.

I recently saw a list compiled at UC Santa Barbara. Supposedly, two dozen countries already allow gays to serve openly. If we’re all “doomed”, maybe we should all agree to disband our military…..then get together…and make Love, not War! (?)

DannyX

December 18th, 2010
4:46 pm

Lol at the Jesus people.

Well? What exactly would Jesus do? You think he is all up in arms about gays in the military?

Or do you think he is more concerned with the killing? Maybe the Shock and Awe? The destruction? The cost of war? Unprovoked wars?

Or maybe this mysterious Jesus of yours does want this biblical fantasy of yours. Only he is mad because he hates divorce, so much so he forbid it himself. Better round up all the divorced people in the military if you want to do a real cleansing. The killers too.

But this isn’t what you do is it. You want your own version of life. Where the rich have some how become the protected, the poor a target. You kill as you please. You divorce as you please.

What would Jesus do?

TD

December 18th, 2010
4:47 pm

Instead of basic training it will now be called “Butt Darts With Brauce”

jimbob

December 18th, 2010
4:47 pm

Good, you agree that the military is no place for fraidy cats.

Lordy, Lordy

December 18th, 2010
4:47 pm

WWJD, indeed. He’s a little light in the feet himself, donthca think?