Will tea partiers protest the $858 billion tax deal?

During the election season, tea party activists declared deficit-reduction one of their primary goals. The nation is swimming in red ink, they noted, posing a huge burden for generations to come. So I’m waiting for those tea party activists to mount a huge protest over the tax deal between President Obama and Republicans. It is expected to cost $858 billion over ten years.

Where’s that tea party protest? Are they headed to Washington to denounce the deal, as they did repeatedly with the health care plan — which will lower the deficit over ten years?

Yes, there are other things in the deal besides tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. But extending the tax cuts for all Americans for two years cost $675.2 billion. Extending them for the richest Americans — along with generous cuts to the estate tax — will cost about $50 billion over two years. Are the tea partiers at all concerned about that?

Then were the ethanol subsidies, which most reasonable people agree are a spectacular waste of government resources — a giveaway to corn farmers. But farm state legislators wanted ethanol subsides included in the package, and they are there.
Any day now, I’m sure, tea partiers will gather on the Mall to protest this big addition to the national deficit. Any of you have your bags packed for the party?

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granny godzilla

December 10th, 2010
9:59 am

YOU MEAN THE SWITCHBOARDS AT THE HILL AND THE WHOIEHOUSE WEREN’T SWAMPED YESTERDAY?

On my!

From TPM 12/9/10

In an email dispatched just minutes ago, the national office of Tea Party Patriots — the largest umbrella for grassroots tea party groups in the country — is calling on its millions of members to bombard Republicans on Capitol Hill with pleas to shut down the tax cut deal which House Democrats rejected earlier today

granny godzilla

December 10th, 2010
9:59 am

Darn make that WHITEHOUSE…..

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 10th, 2010
10:08 am

Minor correction, the “cost” is only around $150 billion. The crazy higher number assumes that the largest tax increase in the history of the world had only a static effect on government revenues, which would fly in the face of all economic history.

The more accurate critique is to condemn the agreement for falsely elevating expectations. In December of 2008, the economy collapsed, in part due to anticipation of the “largest tax increase in the history of the world” two years hence. At risk of noting the obvious, that is where we stand today also – if the deal passes Congress. Any panacea will have to await the arrival of an economically literate Congress.

Road Scholar

December 10th, 2010
10:08 am

Granny, I’m just glad you didn’t misspell it with an “R”!

Oh, by the way, good morning!

granny godzilla

December 10th, 2010
10:10 am

Good Morning to you Road…

took me a minute of thinking on that “R”.

thanks for the grin.

Good Grief

December 10th, 2010
10:11 am

Wow, CT, it really galls you that people who earn money are being allowed to keep it, doesn’t it?

Road Scholar

December 10th, 2010
10:11 am

RD: And when will ” an economically literate Congress” occur? Many are waiting on the Repub dominated House to vote on SALT; I guess these newly elected officials have all sorts of experience and education on nuclear arms?!

Shawny

December 10th, 2010
10:13 am

No, they won’t protest. They know the bill is what is needed to keep businesses afloat until the economy stabilizes. Then, with GDP at a reasonable growth rate, tax revenues will begin to increase as well.

If they protest, then it should be about spending.

BTW, kudos to the prez for making an attempt to close loopholes in the tax code, simplifying it, and bringing in more revenue. It isn’t a flat tax, but it is better.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 10th, 2010
10:15 am

Dear Road @ 10:11, “when will ‘an economically literate Congress” occur?’” Not likely in our lifetimes. If you get past Dr. Coburn in the Senate, and maybe Congressmen Ryan and Paul in the house, I’m not certain there are any.

Richard

December 10th, 2010
10:19 am

Tea partiers will get around to it after their protest of TSA violating 4th Amendment rights.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
10:22 am

The hit to the taxpayer and the economy would be far greater. The way to reduce the deficit is not to tax hard working Americans. Reduce spending and wasteful assistance programs.

Senior Citizen Kane

December 10th, 2010
10:23 am

Pardon me for being obtuse, but according to the Tea Party Patriots website, they ARE protesting the tax deal. Am I mistaken?

Independent J

December 10th, 2010
10:24 am

its not a tax cut!!!, the rates have been the same for over a decade. why do you keep calling it a tax cut? Is it so everyone (dems) thinks that the evil rich are making out like bandits. the rates just aren’t changing… and we’re still paying too much!!
I own a small recruiting firm (s-corp)and i make over 250k and im no where close to being rich…i have employees , expenses, and overhead….i make less than Cynthia!!!!
its funny how obama preaches fairness except if you did well in your career…i wish i was a career politician so i can take all your money and decide what to do with it…

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
10:24 am

In December of 2008, the economy collapsed, in part due to anticipation of the “largest tax increase in the history of the world” two years hence.

Now there is some spin….I guess McCain suspended his presidential campaign AFTER he lost the election in November because of the economy…oh wait….something seems wrong in the timing of the spin.

Mr Right

December 10th, 2010
10:26 am

Shucks CT, I thought spending was what drove up the deficit ?

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
10:27 am

Independent.. an extension of the law is a tax cut. Without the tax cut, rates will rise as per the Republican legislative paln.

And why exactly do you not think it fair that you share in the same tax cut on the 1st $250000 earned as every other american. Why to you want a bonus for additional income that most Americans don’t want. Does not seem very fair.

JimW

December 10th, 2010
10:27 am

There’s no reason to protest the extension of the current tax rates for two more years because that and lowering corporate tax rates helps to create a better climate for businesses. When the economy starts growing, then the revenue will also grow.

I’m also pleased the the President is at least discussing simplifying the tax code and closing loopholes while actually reducing the rates. Excellent idea, althoughI’m sure there will be major battles with both parties over it.

I agree that the ethanol subsidy (and the other “sweeteners” added by Harry Reid) are a waste. It’s really a shame that this pork has to be added to the bill to induce legislators to vote for it.

The sooner we reform the tax code and eliminate wasteful spending, the sooner this country will get back on track. Both parties are at fault for the current mess.

Avenger

December 10th, 2010
10:29 am

grief. Where have you been hiding. In this country (as in most), you pay taxes. You can argue about the percentage until the cows come home, but you pay to live in this country. You can say that you earned you money, but you are required to pay for government services just like you required to pay for the food that you get from kroger. The old cry that you are paying more than your fair share is meaningless compared to people who have given their lives for the betterment of this country.

Mr Right

December 10th, 2010
10:31 am

Why is CT so concerned about what the Tea Party thinks ?

Dave

December 10th, 2010
10:32 am

We’ll just sit back and watch the Democrat party implode even more over the “compromise”. It is kind of fun to watch, especially since they were urging compromise on the Republicans part after the election but are refusing themselves to cave, I mean, compromise. Who’s the party of no now?

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
10:33 am

Mr Right,

Tucker is just of the thought that if you begin to bring discord between the Republicans and Tea Party, it will have good results for the Dems.

Good Grief

December 10th, 2010
10:35 am

Avenger – I’m all for paying taxes for government to perform its basic duties as laid out by the Constitution. Unfortunately, the government has perverted itself into this bloated monstrosity that we now see. And now we have people like CT who act as though it is a complete travesty that people get to keep their own money. Like when Hillary said that she wanted to “take those profits” from companies. That was not, is not, will never be, her money to take, but too many liberals act as though the money belongs to the government and not the people, and it is the job of government to dole it out as the people need it. Sounds Marxist to me (to each according to his need, from each according to his ability).

By the way, nice argument on your part. If you ever disagree with someone on taxes, just state that they are paying nothing compared to those who fought and died for this country. You’ll never have to argue anything by doing that. (No offense intended to soldiers. I work in the defense industry with many former Marines, Naval Officers, and Army Officers, and I fully respect every sacrifice they’ve ever made.)

Independent J

December 10th, 2010
10:38 am

Keep… cmon man!!! “the extension of the law is the tax cut” ..thats a reach, even for you …lol..you know thats a lame excuse..i read your stuff and that was weak….lets use that theory on all bills, laws and amendments…
Im still paying more than jo-schmo…how much is enough? i tell you the travesty..im putting people to work and if i make any money, you want more from me….
its not a tax cut..its a tax rate!!!
tell you what define what rich is? because 250k is not rich!!! and if it is, you will never get there with that attitude- thats from boortz

retired early

December 10th, 2010
10:39 am

Amen Cynthia

I have been expecting SOMETHING from SOMEBODY!!!
If this bill had passed with Dems only support…..THEN you would see outrage.

Jimmy62

December 10th, 2010
10:41 am

My issue is that they were supposed to deny the extension of unemployment benefits unless equal cuts in spending were found elsewhere, which I found to be very reasonable. But then they went ahead and extended without finding equal cuts elsewhere, and that ticks me off. Still, can’t really start protesting the newly elected until they take office, which makes this column of Cynthia’s rather silly. And shows her basic ignorance of.. Time?

Dave

December 10th, 2010
10:42 am

Excellent article by Charles Krauthammer in the Wash. Post:

“Barack Obama won the great tax-cut showdown of 2010 – and House Democrats don’t have a clue that he did. In the deal struck this week, the president negotiated the biggest stimulus in American history, larger than his $814 billion 2009 stimulus package. It will pump a trillion borrowed Chinese dollars into the U.S. economy over the next two years – which just happen to be the two years of the run-up to the next presidential election. This is a defeat?

If Obama had asked for a second stimulus directly, he would have been laughed out of town. Stimulus I was so reviled that the Democrats banished the word from their lexicon throughout the 2010 campaign. And yet, despite a very weak post-election hand, Obama got the Republicans to offer to increase spending and cut taxes by $990 billion over two years. Two-thirds of that is above and beyond extension of the Bush tax cuts but includes such urgent national necessities as windmill subsidies.

[snip]

No, cries the left: Obama violated a sacred principle. A 39.6 percent tax rate versus 35 percent is a principle? “This is the public option debate all over again,” said Obama at his Tuesday news conference. He is right. The left never understood that to nationalize health care there is no need for a public option because Obamacare turns the private insurers into public utilities, thus setting us inexorably on the road to the left’s Promised Land: a Canadian-style single-payer system. The left is similarly clueless on the tax-cut deal: In exchange for temporarily forgoing a small rise in upper-income rates, Obama pulled out of a hat a massive new stimulus – what the left has been begging for since the failure of Stimulus I but was heretofore politically unattainable.

Obama’s public exasperation with this infantile leftism is both perfectly understandable and politically adept. It is his way back to at least the appearance of centrist moderation. The only way he will get a second look from the independents who elected him in 2008 – and abandoned the Democrats in 2010 – is by changing the prevailing (and correct) perception that he is a man of the left.

Hence that news-conference attack on what the administration calls the “professional left” for its combination of sanctimony and myopia. It was Obama’s Sister Souljah moment. It had a prickly, irritated sincerity – their ideological stupidity and inability to see the “long game” really do get under Obama’s skin – but a decidedly calculated quality, too. Where, after all, does the left go? Stay home on Election Day 2012? Vote Republican?

No, says the current buzz, the left will instead challenge Obama for the Democratic nomination. Really now? For decades, African Americans have been this party’s most loyal constituency. They vote 9 to 1 Democratic through hell and high water, through impeachment and recession, through everything. After four centuries of enduring much, African Americans finally see one of their own achieve the presidency. And their own party is going to deny him a shot at his own reelection?

Not even Democrats are that stupid. The remaining question is whether they are just stupid enough to not understand – and therefore vote down – the swindle of the year just pulled off by their own president. “

Mike K.

December 10th, 2010
10:43 am

I think Cynthia is misrepresenting the core Tea Party belief which is that government is too big. While many Tea Partiers have criticized the government for its unsustainable deficits (which are a bad thing), they have done so to shed light on the fact that the government is spending far more than Americans want to pay.

I would have preferred a tax deal that was “paid for” with spending cuts, but preventing a tax hike is entirely consistent with the principle of limited government which the Tea Partiers universally endorse.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
10:45 am

Independent…again reality is that tax rates are scheduled to go up by law as passed by the Republicans. That means that if you earn $200000 AGI this year and next, you will pay MORE next year. A NEW law is needed to cut the tax rates and thereby the amount paid. Now you can rant all you want but please do try to be accurate.

I never said $250,000 made you “rich” but it is, I believe, more than 95% of Americans earn. Does not make you a millionaire or a billionaire. I would even support a tax cut up to say, $1 million in income. But you are whining because you pay more than “joe schmo” because you “earn” more than joe schmo. Also if you have a small business there are tax credits available for your business which the average worker does NOT get.

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
10:46 am

Again, no surprises here. It’s politics as usual. No candidate will ever get elected by telling the population the truth. If that were the case, the candidate that stood up and said that all americans are going to have to share in the pain if they ever hope to reduce our debt. Among those sacrifices will be an increase in taxes for everyone, as well as a reduction in popular social programs, would receive thunderous applause. Instead, the applause goes to the candidate that rides the tax reduction wave all the way to winners circle.

I have to admit, that it’s somewhat comical to see the DEMS out in full force AFTER Obama finally makes what I consider to be a wise move. Before that, they basically let the GOP use him for target practice without uttering a word.

Is the deal perfect? No. However, at least in this instance, we got to see a politician actually take the country into consideration and not just party lines. I hope that we will see more of the same over the next 2 years.

How to Stimulate the Economy

December 10th, 2010
10:47 am

A tax credit for housekeeping services would do two things to stimulate the economy. First, it would provide good jobs to people who have no other marketable skill, specifically housekeeping. Second, it would provide an incentive for highly educated workers to return to the workforce. Many highly educated women choose to be stay at home moms in part because the math indicates it is more profitable to do so, considering the cost of day care, housekeeping services, commuting expenses, and taxes on the additional income. By allowing a tax credit of up to $2,500 per family, we can tip the scales somewhat in favor of the mom returning to the workforce. There are many job openings for the highly educated, from physician to engineer to mathematician, and these jobs tend to create other jobs for the less skilled. So for the price of a small tax credit we get a double jobs stimulus.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
10:53 am

This is See How You Can Make This Look Good For Obama and Democrats

StJ

December 10th, 2010
10:56 am

“the health care plan — which will lower the deficit over ten years”

Ummm, ok…keep smoking that stuff you advocate legalizing. :roll: (Does the AJC drug-test its employees?)

As far as the TEA Party goes, most of the people they helped elect aren’t even in office yet. The incumbents they supported are probably getting email-bombed right about now.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
10:57 am

Among Georgia legislators, the records showed both Sen. Saxby Chambliss and Sen. Johnny Isakson hiked pay for their congressional staff and each handed out nearly $3 million total. Among representatives, David Scott, Lynn Westmoreland, John Lewis, Phil Gingrey and Tom Price each raised their overall staff pay by tens of thousands of dollars last year, according to the records. Only Rep. Hank Johnson kept his expenses even.

You gave them the keys back because they learned what?

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
10:57 am

Excellent article by Charles Krauthammer…

Couldn’t you have just copy and pasted from HotAir, or RedState instead?

Geez….

Scout

December 10th, 2010
11:00 am

Cynthia:

……… and why do you care?

P.S. What does this have to do with “Don’t Assk, Don’t Tail” ?

retired early

December 10th, 2010
11:02 am

Dave, save us the purist bs on this planet. All one has to do is look back to this past election to see that the stimulus spending, whether good or bad was used very effectively to hammer the Democratic party. Even though it all began under Bush.With this new stimulus package, the Right wing spin machine would surely bury what is left of the Democratic party in 2012.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
11:05 am

Scout…you may want to start posting your PS at all those Baptist and Christian churches where the pedophiles seem to be in charge.

james

December 10th, 2010
11:08 am

the tea partiers are joint venturing with wiki leaks. i check under my bed every evening for a tea partier- they are fricking everywhere and they are evil, armed, and dangerous. lock up your wife and children

Good Grief

December 10th, 2010
11:12 am

Kamchak @ 10:57 -
Because MediaMatters and the Huffington Post are such better sources of information, right?

Keep Up @ 11:05 -
What? Was it really necessary to single out the Baptists? I mean, we get that you don’t like the Christians, but was that realyl necessary?

james @ 11:08 -
Wanting less spending, lower taxes, and a stronger national defense is scary?

Halftrack

December 10th, 2010
11:14 am

CT, You and Dems keep thinking that extending the Bush tax cuts are the Governments money. In reality if the tax rates stay the same there is no additional money added to the deficit. This is an imaginary number because the way the government thinks is that without extension it would receive more money which is a tax rate increase for the citizen. If they are not extended, poor people will have to start paying taxes which they don’t at present. A tax increase in a recession is a double digit depression, which could be around the corner. Look a reality instead of imaginary numbers that the government puts out. Basic economics and basic math.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
11:15 am

Kamchak @ 10:57 -
Because MediaMatters and the Huffington Post are such better sources of information, right?

Please show me where I have ever posted anything from MediaMatters Or the Huffington Post.

Thanks in advance.

james

December 10th, 2010
11:18 am

it doesn’t matter if the news comes from a biased left or right source- as long as there are kernels of truths in the spin. it doesn’t matter if the President is left or right- he or she simply needs to be a strong leader.

Good Grief

December 10th, 2010
11:19 am

Jeez, Kamchak, I’m sorry. I forgot that you require source information anyitme someone says something against you. I was making reference to your support of CT whenever she uses MediaMatters, or any of the other bloggers on here who use HuffPo or any other liberal-leaning site. But the moment someone quotes Boortz, or the Blaze, or American Thinker, they are lambasted as using erroneous sources.

Back Seater

December 10th, 2010
11:19 am

Kammy,
Stop your bitch$ng, you and your cronies do the same with your “selected” websites. How childish of you to make such comments. Just goes to show……………. sport
Another opportunity to show your mid town attitude.
Now come back with one of your cutie one liners, we all now you will

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
11:20 am

Sorry Grief….Eddie Long runs a baptist church and I was being accurate…but if you want to make it more generic, I have no objection. Of course, I dont see the same sensitivity directed at Scout’s unrelated post…did you tell him that it was unnecessary, childish, unrelated…..

Independent J

December 10th, 2010
11:20 am

Keep..i never wanted to be the “average worker” , thats why i worked more that 40hrs and and im not whining about my tax rate, but i pay enough. Im the guy that got the ” jo schmos” their job…can you say that? I would probably listen to you if in “reality” you tried to walk in a small business owners shoes…i have been on both sides. hell you probably make more than me too. I would agree with you however on changing the 250k income to a wealthy persons income…im completely hung up on the 250k is considered rich…wth!!!that number is coming from a career politician too….what do they really know?

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
11:22 am

I was making reference to your support of CT whenever she uses MediaMatters, or any of the other bloggers on here who use HuffPo or any other liberal-leaning site.

Again—please show me where I have ever supported CT or any other blogger, “who use HuffPo or any other liberal-leaning site.”

I’m not gonna defend a position that I did not take.

Good Grief

December 10th, 2010
11:24 am

Keep Up- Good point about Scout. The unfortunate thing is that both sides of the aisle have people who refuse to even attempt reasonable, rational debate. Just throw out something outlandish, try to stun your opponent, and sit back and watch. As Lewis Black once said, “These people should be forced, for twenty years, to sit next to someone who is crocheting something that isn’t there.”

Back Seater

December 10th, 2010
11:24 am

Tic, Tic, Tic

Independent J

December 10th, 2010
11:25 am

Merry Christmas!!!!!…even you Keep…

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
11:26 am

Another opportunity to show your mid town attitude.

I’ve never lived in mid-town, though I wish I could afford it. I’ve always been a perimeter kid, myself. Right now though, I am in a small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns. awaiting an expected spell of winter weather.

Tommy Maddox

December 10th, 2010
11:28 am

What tax cut? The discussion centered around whether to preserve the present rates or RAISE the rates on everyone.

Besides, why tax the dead when the wealth garnered by the Estate was already taxed when earned prior to death?

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
11:28 am

Independent….I own a small business myself. I have owned several. I work more than 40 hours a week. I agree that $250k is not rich but it is sure a lot better than minimum wage. But I do not believe that millionaires need a bonus when the US has a major deficit….and if that means that my taxes go up next year, then I’ll just have to wait to replace my TV with a flat screen HDTV for a little bit. But instead of a rant, why not urge your representatives to govern instead of voting NO. Solve the problems. Fixure out how to pay down the debt. Yep, that may mean that taxes go up for a bit and certainly means we should have smarter government and cut wasteful spending. It’s time we paid the deficit bill instead of just passing it down the road for the next generation so that we can have a new TV this year.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
11:29 am

Kam,

What positions do you take? When someone calls you out on something you skate around the truth and use the line “Im not gonna defend a position that I did not take.” What do you stand for? Nothing obviously.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
11:30 am

Happy Holidays to all…no matter what your faith. Even you Independent J.

Good Grief

December 10th, 2010
11:30 am

Kamchak – I love the NC Mountains. Recently went to Clingman’s Dome (I know, it’s in Tennessee, but you have to go through NC to get there) for the first time. I have friends in Cherokee and Boone. Lovely part of this country. Enjoy the snow.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
11:31 am

Keep, so cost of living increases/pay scales are not acceptable? You agree to work your job for the same set amount each year, without any pay increase?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 10th, 2010
11:33 am

I think I may have to apologize to our gracious hostess. She foresaw the future when I did not. All of the morning reports advise that the Senate democrats are adding lots of pork to the bill, and the final cost will be closer to Ms. Tucker’s number than to those in the deal brokered between the President and the Republicans.

Of course, under that circumstance, Republicans must say “no.” They can put together a more intelligent deal, closer to the one originally-brokered, in the next Congress.

patriot

December 10th, 2010
11:34 am

A tax is TAKING from one and redistributing it to others. Looting, stealing. Lowering taxes is NOT going to upset those who believe in freedom and liberty. Only the pawns, takers, and dependents are going to be upset by this.

Mala Cori

December 10th, 2010
11:36 am

Cynthia: I think you and many Americans don’t understand the consequences of going to a health care system like Canada or the UK and the cost of those systems. I lived in Canada for 15 years and personally have first hand knowledge of both systems and hands down perfer my US private insurance over the Canadian system. The cost of health care in Canada means a 100% tax on gasoline (it’s a hidden tax), and Canadians always pay double per gallon than what we do here in the US. In addition to provincial sales tax (which averages about 7% across the country) there is an additional federal value added tax of 8% (Thus a total of 15% sales tax), not to mention higher income taxes. Rationing exists in Canada, drugs available in the US are not even approved in Canada in order to control costs, the government health care administration is completely out of control with regards to spending and pay, there is a shortage of quality doctors, and there is very little freedom in being able to change your doctor if you don’t like him/her. I have triple citizenship (Canada, US, EU) and as long as the US has a better tax rate I will live here. If this changes, I will take my education and technical skills elsewhere and move outside the US (taking my tax contributions with me). Others will do the same if we continue to move from a capitalist to socialist society.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
11:39 am

Good Grief

Thanks for the sentiment. I saw quite a bit of snow up here last year and one of the most unusual things that I experienced is that people up here don’t freak out and mob the grocery stores for the milk/bread/beer/eggs hoarding experience. Sure, there was a small above normal volume of customers, but nothing like the long-lines-extending-to-the-back-of-the-store-on-every-register occurrence that is the ATL.

Mala Cori

December 10th, 2010
11:41 am

Keep up the good fight!: I agree that most people would be agreeable to paying more in taxes if they knew how it was going to be spent. The problem with the current government is that they have not laid out a budget plan. Before they talk about raising taxes, they should present a finacial plan. This is where Obmama’s lack of corporate experience shows. As a business person myself, I’ll put money into something that I believe in. I donate to charities that present results, or tip a great waitress 50% if she provided great service. I’m middle class and wouldn’t hesitate to pay more in taxes if I trusted the government, but for most Americans, that’s not the case.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
11:41 am

Georgian….I own a small business. My salary is based on profits and sales. Some years its up and down. I have no problem with workers getting increases. I do have a problem with congressional staffers getting pay raises while one Party of No argues about paying for umemployment insurance and similar matters while increasing the deficit with a tax cut bonus for millionaires. Of course if congressional staffers are getting COLA increases then why are SS recipients not?

Grief….I agree that there are those who refuse rational discussion. I am also a believer that quietly accepting some absurdity may be mistaken as condoning the statement or tolerating boorish behavior.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
11:42 am

How is the vote on DADT solving the most pressing problem the US faces RIGHT NOW.

How is a vote on this bill helping the unemployed that are literally left out in the cold?

How is a vote on this bill generating JOBS?

Congress needed to be focused on one thing only and that one thing is HOW do we get through the winter with NO income.

Most construction projects are not started or worked on in the winter (even in the South).

Most companies budgets are spent for the year 2010 and new budgets do not kick in until Jan-Feb 2011.

How do the unemployed SURVIVE until then?

An unemployment extension for ALL unemployed (even the 99ers) should have been put into place at this time. It could have been limited to 13 weeks which would have gotten a lot of people through the winter.

A roof over their heads and food for their families is what the money would have been spent for.

Now we have many who are facing REAL starvation, Can the US as a whole face the sight of these people on our streets or will we turn a blind eye (avert our heads) to these people?

In many counties all the monies have run out for public assistance. The local churches have totally spent all their funds helping the needy over the last years. (unemployment in some counties is 25% and rising)

There is NO where else for people to turn.

The people who are without benefits will no longer be counted as unemployed as they will no longer be receiving benefits.

They will be homeless and will no longer be voters as they will have no address. Their address soon will be the cemetary.

Thank all your representatives for having their priorities straight.

Independent J

December 10th, 2010
11:42 am

KEEP…we do agree, it just took some time…but you said “smarter government” ..now what!!!
and if your making minimum range? we have bigger issues…they better be high school kids or completely uneducated dimwits who wouldn’t understand what we’re talking about.
My only argument, if taxes are raised they wont come down “for a little bit”. We both know it wont come down. Government should first show fiscal responsibility and lead, not cherry pick from the people. Taxing the people seems to be the trend for solving problems that government created, when cutting the spending should be the first step

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
11:45 am

Mala….I dont disagree. But before you enact a tax cut, cut the spending. If we are still concerned about the nearly averted depression, then do the things that work to stimulate best and not the things that barely work. Pay down the deficit.

No business says let me cut my incoming money first and then I’ll figure out later where to cut expenses.

Scout

December 10th, 2010
11:46 am

Keep Up They Good Fight:

And I’ve known two (they were very, very good at keeping it hidden) and they both went to jail where they belong. One was also a military officer.

Off for the day …….. Christmas shopping.

Be nice to each other ………..

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
11:47 am

Keep – “Georgian….I own a small business”

Careful Keep, Georgian will need you to submit to a lie dector test and will need to see your financial statements for the last 3 years before allowing you to proceed under the guise of an actual business owner.

By the way Georgian, did you ever call Air Atlanta to sign up for lessons? I haven’t seen any new students on the roster since we last spoke.

John Galt

December 10th, 2010
11:54 am

Cynthia, you are a blind hypocrite.

I guess the tea party folks will protest letting productive Americans keep their money, AFTER paying a significantly higher rate than everyone else, on the same day the the Democrats will fight the increase of deficits by freebies to the unproductive with the same zeal.

Your bias would be upsetting if you were not so irrelevant and laughable.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
11:56 am

Fletch…. blogs have discovery powers? Can we waterboard/torture too?

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

December 10th, 2010
11:58 am

The increadible shinking democratic party….wahhhhhh! See ya suckers…

Tundra Dude

December 10th, 2010
12:00 pm

Will tea partiers protest the $858 billion tax deal?

They might, if they receive marching orders from their bosses, the thieving, socialist-loving Koch brothers (now posing as free-market capitalists).

Will Obama supporters (the fewer, the proud, the brave) protest this latest cave-in??

Another fan bites the dust. Google:

Obama’s Sellout on Taxes By MICHAEL HUDSON

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

December 10th, 2010
12:01 pm

HELL TO THE NAWL!

JOBS WILL CONTINUE TO BE SHIPPED OFF!

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
12:01 pm

Keep – Fletch…. blogs have discovery powers? Can we waterboard/torture too?

lol, I guess we can if Georgian says it’s okay.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 10th, 2010
12:06 pm

The Lord Speaks-

Cancun temps plunge to 100-year record low — during ‘global warming’ summit!

Will the idiots listen?

Just askin…

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

December 10th, 2010
12:06 pm

You can pay more taxes if you want to….Go ahead hipocrite. Oh it’s everybody elses problem. Hey pay my taxes for me!

AngryRedMarsWoman

December 10th, 2010
12:07 pm

“and if that means that my taxes go up next year, then I’ll just have to wait to replace my TV with a flat screen HDTV for a little bit.”

Seriously, Keep…you need to get with the program because the world is already moving on to 3-D TV..get a darn HDTV already! As far as the deficit and taxes, I have always said that I would love to see the Bush Tax Cuts expire (for all) if they would pass one simple little law in relation to that expiration – all funds received due to the resulting “increase” in taxes are used only to pay off the Chinese and we cannot borrow any additional money until the deficit is gone. As a taxpayer I am telling my employees in Congress that they need to find a way to work with the limited funds they receive….as my boss has told me in the past, “I don’t want to hear any whining, just figure out how to do it.”

Richard

December 10th, 2010
12:11 pm

This latest agreement shows that spending is still in style. If the new congress next year does not cut the federal budget by 10 per cent, then we will know that Washington has brought the new politicians under control.

Holly

December 10th, 2010
12:11 pm

What needs protesting is what to do about you black commies who are destroying my country just like you did the continent of Africa. Think what this country would be like if these people weren’t here.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
12:11 pm

Keep,

If you would go research the Congressional staff salaries, you would see that most of the ones you blast for pay raises to their employees are in line with most other Reps/Senators. However some do spend more than others. Such as:

Chuck Shumer: 3,393,703 2/3 a million more than GA senators
John Kerry: 3, 025,265 half a million more than GA senators
Barbara Boxer: 4,352,202 a million and a half more than GA senators
Nancy Pelosi: 1,131,967 the only ones on your list of reps w/ more than a million salary was Hank Johnson and John Lewis, both Democrats. Johnson’s was more b4 the raises.

I could go on but this is enough for now. So before you go blasting SMALL pay raises, have your facts. Know what the AVG overall pay for a staff is b4 you blast anyone.

Holly

December 10th, 2010
12:11 pm

What needs protesting is what to do about you black commies who are destroying my country just like you did the continent of Africa. Think what this country would be like if these people weren’t here.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
12:14 pm

Holly.. nice introduction of real racism in your post. Are you proud of your ignorance? Shame..shame…shame…shame on you.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
12:17 pm

Fletch,

There are no rules that apply in my opinion to terrorists. The techniques used to thwart attacks on our soil kept your happy A safe for many years. You guys seem to think this country got where we are by being the nice guys. Who cares if some nut job crazy terrorist or wackjob country don’t like it. HELLO! They hate us ANYWAY!!! What we do to protect ourselves is not going to change anything. You libs are under the impresssion that it will. We have a philisophical and biblical difference of opinion with these people. That won’t change until you are fooled by the Anti-Christ.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
12:18 pm

Georgian… whine all you want but do tell me why these pay raises went into effect by the same people who argue that govt employees are overpaid, that we need smaller government and that we can’t afford certain programs…more hypocrisy.

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
12:22 pm

Georgian – Fletch,

There are no rules that apply in my opinion to terrorists. The techniques used to thwart attacks on our soil kept your happy A safe for many years. You guys seem to think this country got where we are by being the nice guys. Who cares if some nut job crazy terrorist or wackjob country don’t like it. HELLO! They hate us ANYWAY!!! What we do to protect ourselves is not going to change anything. You libs are under the impresssion that it will. We have a philisophical and biblical difference of opinion with these people. That won’t change until you are fooled by the Anti-Christ.

What the hell are you talking about? Your rant isn’t even remotely close to anything that I have posted. And for the record, I’m not a “lib”. I’ve voted independent for the last 20 years. Some have been from the right and some from the left. I tend to analyze all facts and then proceed to make a decision. Hence, I voted for neither Obama or McCain. Can you tell me where you work, because I seriously need to talk to your boss about getting you in for drug testing ASAP.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
12:23 pm

We dont need no stinkin Constitution or reality….fear I tell you.

Let’s be clear. Georgian, you may have a philosophical and biblical difference with “these people”. I dont have a problem with most Muslims or other faiths. Only with extremists, including radical Christians, who kill. And never once has torture been proved to “keep us safe.”

Nothing Is Free

December 10th, 2010
12:34 pm

Isn’t it weird that terrorism has sprung up in the past few years, AFTER the CIA was neutered.

JFK is constantly being nominated as the modern era’s favorite president, but the reality is that the CIA under JFK was brutal, lawless and quick to torture and/or kill when needed and some times whether it was needed or not.

I wonder how many liberals really think about the dark side of our government during those Camelot years?

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
12:34 pm

Keep,

Again your hypocrisy for allowing those that actually have the degrees to earn those paychecks to be paid fairly. Many are paid well below the amount allowed. The majority work late into the night to ensure legislation and other work is done correctly and that your government can function.

Yet you have no problem giving some deadbeat dad or mom unlimited amounts of assistance and food stamps.

Should a person be discriminated against and held back because of the degree they hold? I think not. Who do you want running those offices, incompetent know-nothings?

You need to think before you let your fingers start typing.

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
12:43 pm

Tucker,
First….the ‘ruling elites’ in both parties are still the same people in power and that will not change until January.
Second……the statement that Obamacare will lower the deficit over the next decade is completely false based on nothing concrete, so quit stating it as fact WHEN IT IS PATENTLY NOT TRUE.
Third……the new crop of conservative senators and congressmen/women including those from the tea party do not like this because it adds to the deficit, but your numbers are way off. Let me educate you on something. No tax cuts were given to anyone in this bill. No taxes were raised or cut, the rates will stay the same. The gov’t gets no more or no less money as a result of Obama not RAISING taxes and keeping the rates the same. Far left liberals, like yourself, and the ‘ruling elite’ are trying to count money towards the deficit that was NEVER REAL and never theirs to actually do anything with in the first place. THE REASON they are saying this is b/c these bozos have already spent this money. You can not count future money that you did not get as a loss and say it adds to the deficit b/c it was NOT THE GOVT’S money in the first place. I’m sick of this attitude that you and the far left socialists of America perpetuate that all the money is govt’s first. Still waiting for you to admit who and what you are, chicken…..
I know how gov’t budgets work and this flawed process is one of the things that has continued to raise the deficit and, in my view, can not stand anymore.
There is pork and gov’t handouts, which I know you like, which is actually raising the deficit in this bill. That is all. These current leaders did not receive the message that was sent on Nov. 2nd, but I promise when new leadership gets in there in Jan., you will be ranting and raving as loud as ever. Let me welcome you to the beginning of the conservative ascendancy……

Drifter

December 10th, 2010
12:43 pm

The Republicans are back to doing what they always do…running up the debt.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
12:45 pm

Georgian…nice attack but without sense, reason or fact. Now trot along and dont let your hooves mess up the floor.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
12:47 pm

Keep,

The raises from these people could not have been much because the increases in pay to congressional staff was very small. We are talking about a few thousand dollars, not hundreds of thousands. I receive a bump in pay yearly with my job as well. Maybe its something hard for you to understand, Mr Big Small Business Owner but if you look at some of these individual people’s salary, they are not making the big bucks. A Congressional staff is not just made up of a few staffers.

Saxby Chambliss had over 50 workers in fiscal year 2009. Those 50 workers made up 2.75 million dollars, which would equate to 55,000 per employee. Granted some of those employees make 100,000-125,000 a year, others make 25,000 to 35,000 a year. Again, they are paid by the job they do and the degree they may have. A Chief of Staff is going to make more than a Staff Assistant.

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
12:48 pm

Drifter,
FYI, the dems are in control and this will still be a democrat controlled addition to the debt. Your welcome…

kayaker 71

December 10th, 2010
12:52 pm

CT,

By your comments, you must feel that that money that the government will not get by extending the tax cuts is lost revenue. It is no such thing. That money belongs to the electorate, not the government. By extending the tax cuts, the government will not collect 800B plus in tax revenue but to say that it is lost revenue and that somehow the taxpayer owes the government that much money so that they can extend their insane spending is nonsense. That kind of spin is what got us into this mess in the first place. It is not the government’s money, IT IS OURS!!!

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
12:52 pm

Keep,

Its not fact that many congressional staff are paid below the allowed limit?

Its not fact that many work long, late hours?

Its not fact that staff hired to these positions are some of the best and brightest our best schools have graduated? Those degrees promise good pay.

Its not fact that people that do not deserve a majority of our federal assitance do not deserve it (minorities, pregos, druggies, deadbeats) while some that need it most can not get it.(disabled, elderly)

What that I said is not fact? I can back it up. Just go to legistorm.com and you will see the salaries for these people and the staffs. Read it.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
12:54 pm

Fletch,

You may want to not make threats such as those you made toward myself. YOU brought me into YOUR discussion saying I would be ok with waterboarding/torture.

cosby

December 10th, 2010
12:57 pm

More hate by CT…those damn Rich people. How about the politizing the tax system while further spliting this country. Hate the Tea Party non sense. Regarding thendeficit…it is the spending stupid, not the revenue. and how about Harry Reid sending billins to China for wind mill production while the US unemployment is 10% +. Yea CT, keep the class warefare up, hate the Tea Party Express and I guess you love A. Sharpeton for wanting to take conservative radio off the air since they are racist – unlike youeself, John Lewis, Al himself, Jessie, and the rest. Continue class war fare and you might ge a result you do not want.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
12:57 pm

Mars….sorry I am not consuming fast enough. I’ll try to get on the ball…oh wait. Sorry my old TVs were good enough for awhile so I can wait. I dont need the newest and greatest on everything. I have to earn income, hit savings goals, pay bills, etc. first…then I can consume.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
12:58 pm

Keep @ 12:23

Thats your problem. You don’t have a problem with terrorists, people that hate our country, or with athiests for one reason: YOU DON’T STAND FOR ANYTHING.

Ever heard the country song that says, “You’ve got to stand for something, or you’ll fall for anything. You’ve got to be your own man, not a puppet on a string.”

Maybe you don’t see now, but one day my friend your eyes will open and lets just hope its not too late.

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
12:59 pm

Kamchak said: that I experienced is that people up here don’t freak out and mob the grocery stores for the milk/bread/beer/eggs hoarding experience.

I’ve never figured that one out. They probably don’t use a gallon of milk a month or a loaf of bread every two months but mention the word ’snow’ and they panic and stock up. At the most I’ve been “snowed in” for 2 days and may have used two glasses of milk.

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
1:00 pm

Georgia – Fletch,

You may want to not make threats such as those you made toward myself. YOU brought me into YOUR discussion saying I would be ok with waterboarding/torture.

Where do you get this? I don’t recall threatening you at any time. As a point of fact, I strongly believe in any measures that will keep our country safe. Keep had asked about the waterboarding, and I responded as an aside to our previous conversations where you had questioned my background as a legitimate business owner. In addition, you have painted some pretty broad strokes about me that have no basis in fact, and are vague generalizations drawn from comments on a public blog.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
1:01 pm

Drifter,

The only person running up the debt is the President. Republicans have no power, the President has to work with them for a common goal. The nation is gaining unemployment and debt more quickly under President Obama than under any other.

bizarro jesus

December 10th, 2010
1:04 pm

whatever you did for the least of my brothers, you did for me, which is cool as long as the top 2% can have 3% more.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
1:05 pm

Georgian…I stand for a lot of things, just not stupidity like your posts today. Sorry bud…not your friend. I do have a problem with people who hate what this country stands for….so why do you hate our freedoms and want to take them away with idiotic commentary. Now trot along….your mind is a terrible thing to waste….

George W

December 10th, 2010
1:06 pm

CTUCKER….to answer your question….NO they will not. The reason being is because it will actually reduce the deficit, create jobs and help all classes of wealth. Nice try but again your article is useless.

Jethro

December 10th, 2010
1:07 pm

So the Dems protest, and it’s the Tea Party’s fault? Am I the only one who is nauseated by all of them?

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
1:08 pm

Jethro – So the Dems protest, and it’s the Tea Party’s fault? Am I the only one who is nauseated by all of them?

You’re not alone Jethro, I’ve been dissapointed in the political offerings on all sides for over a decade.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
1:11 pm

Fletch,

You want to contact my employer to have me drug tested?

Thats not a threatening statement?

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
1:11 pm

somewhereinga

Back in the early 70s the ATL was hit by a bad ice storm. We were without power for five days, and unable to get to the grocery store until the third day. Coincidentally, we had two families of relatives visiting at that time and if not for a well stocked chest freezer, someone would have been walking to the store. I ate a lot of spaghetti and chili that was cooked on a Coleman camp stove during that time.

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
1:12 pm

Common Sense isn’t very Common . Try using some common sense, Congress IS capable of doing more than one thing at a time, ya know. It’s not either/or.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
1:14 pm

Keep,

Typical. You make accusations and then when you cannot stand by them, you flee the scene like a hit and run driver. There has been nothing stupid in my posts. All fact. Each statement I stated has fact entirely.

How can I take away our freedoms with my commentary, what have I said that would prove such?

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
1:19 pm

Georgian – Fletch,

You want to contact my employer to have me drug tested?

Thats not a threatening statement?

No, it’s not. If I had said, “I’m going to contact your employer and make sure you get drug tested” and, I had the ability to do it, then it would be a threat. Otherwise it’s just a statement.

Larry

December 10th, 2010
1:20 pm

I am a tea party supporter and have already voiced my objections to my representatives. I object to the continued spending w/o offsetting cuts in spending. Further I objected to the SS tax holiday as it guts a deficit troubled program further; I think all of Bush’s tax cuts should be allowed to expire if any are allowed to expire so that all citizens bear their fair share of the trouble we are in and I believe the tax on the dead will have unintended consequences to the businesses left behind. Entrepreneurs may not be the best versed in tax avoidance and their heirs may have to liquidate the businesses left behind to satisfy the democrats need to “soak the rich” by imposing double taxation on their assets. Plus a tax on the dead will provide incentive under the new health care laws to ration care away from rich old folks. I can see the CBO putting out projections that if we just deny heallth care to these geezers, we can increase revenues by 3.6 trillion and thereby balance the budget for the year; maybe offer a bounty on old rich folks, say $1,000 a head for each one you bag. Maybe start with Graany G.

And Cynthia, don’t continue to push the charade that the Health Care passed will reduce the deficit. That’s moronic.

Just my opinion

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
1:21 pm

Fletch,

Suggesting such when I have never suggested such of you is a threat.

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
1:25 pm

Georgian,

Without the means or the ability to carry out or otherwise follow through on a statement, said statement is then rendered benign and as such cannot be considered to be a threat.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
1:26 pm

somewhereinga@1:12 pm

Congress IS capable of doing more than one thing at a time, ya know. It’s not either/or.
——————————-

I’m not saying they aren’t capable of doing more than one thing.

BUT, there are people in the REAL world sweating every second they are doing something else.

What happens if they go on recess before adressing UI extensions (like they did 4th of July)

If they wait that long (for the new Congress) PEOPLE WILL BE WITHOU FOOD OR SHELTER.

I would like for them to stand up and DO what is MOST critical for the people in this country.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness is without value without food or shelter.

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
1:27 pm

Just a question: There seems to be a prevailing thought that since the Bush tax cuts passed in 2001 have been in place for 10 years, they are permanent and cannot be touched. Because they have been in place for “X” number of years, they are somehow sacred.

Why doesn’t that apply to unemployment benifits? If you’ve been getting unemployment benifits for 99 weeks then they should be made “permanent”. After all,if you take them away, that would be a “hike”, wouldn’t it? Just pretend the person getting the unemployment benifit is making a million a year and needs it. (It will probably create jobs.)

Just askin…..

George W

December 10th, 2010
1:27 pm

Common Sense….The government is not responsible for providing food NOR shelter!

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
1:27 pm

Fletch,

How am I to know you’re not the next Julian Assange? It could be viewed as such.

George W

December 10th, 2010
1:28 pm

Somewhere…..in your opinion how long should unemployment benefits last?

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
1:29 pm

Somewhere in GA,

You have to make sure those getting the unemployment benefit is not just milking the system and is actually TRYING to improve their situation. Many do not.

George W

December 10th, 2010
1:30 pm

Georgian….So you dont think drawing unemployment for 2 YEARS is not milking the system?

George W

December 10th, 2010
1:31 pm

Assange should be sent to Guantanamo!

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
1:31 pm

Georgian – Fletch,

How am I to know you’re not the next Julian Assange? It could be viewed as such.

You don’t, but Juilan Assange is not being held for unlawful soliciting of random drug screening for employees.

How do I know that you’re not an IRS agent trying to gain as much information about me and my partners in order to conduct an audit of all our holdings?

There’s risk in everything.

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
1:35 pm

George W – Assange should be sent to Guantanamo!

Nah, he looks like he might enjoy the C!*k meat sandwhich too much. lol

Mallory

December 10th, 2010
1:37 pm

The dems are going down and looking dirty in the process.

Fletch

December 10th, 2010
1:39 pm

Alright, guys, it’s almost 11:00am here in Cali. Got some work to do before cuttin loose at 2:00. Have a great weekend!

Georgian, lighten up. It’s just a blog man, have some fun!

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
1:40 pm

Drifter

December 10th, 2010
1:41 pm

I’ve never pretended to a be a fan of the Democrats, but the Republicans always run up the debt and they never reduce it. It really causes me a great deal of pain to admit that because I voted for the liars for years. As a fiscal conservative, I realize that neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are my friends. No one could vote for this tax deal and wear the label of fiscal conservative. Tax cuts without spending cuts is irresponsible and that’s what we’re getting.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
1:44 pm

George W,

It would depend on the situation I suppose. People that are hurt would qualify for disability on some occasions. 2 years is certainly a stretch.

I’ll say this, the majority that are on that long milk the system but there are those that have legitimate reasons.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
1:44 pm

99 weeks is 2 YEARS?

I thought 104 weeks was 2 YEARS.

Learn something new every day.

George W

December 10th, 2010
1:46 pm

Kamchak……really??

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
1:47 pm

Fletch,

That would involve me knowing who you were, what you did, and your activites. A stretch there Fletch.

George W

December 10th, 2010
1:47 pm

Georgian…I feel unless you have a disability 99 weeks is PLENTY of time to find employment.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
1:54 pm

Georgian…sorry I am not abiding by your schedule with required responses. Pay my hourly rate and I would be glad to respond on your time table….funny you demand a lot like Nonsense and Stupidity for Free.

Waterboarding and Torture has never kept this country safe.
Minorities are not the only ones getting federal assistance nor do they receive it it based solely on minority basis.
Not everyone receiving assistance is pregnant or a deadbeat or whatever else you chose to label them because of your closed mind.
Not all Muslims are bad or radical.
Not all radicals are Muslim…some are Christians.
Not everything you post is a “fact”.
There is no proof of an anti-christ and that is a FACT.
Etc. etc….. frankly you’re just not worth more time.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
1:57 pm

….. frankly you’re just not worth more time.

Geez Keep, thought you would have figured that out a couple of days ago.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
1:58 pm

Kam…okay I am a slow learner…….where do I get my falling off the wall lessons?

dan

December 10th, 2010
1:59 pm

the reason we have a progresive tax structure is beccause the more you make the more you use
ex if you own a business your enployees might use a masstransit system with is subed by the government without you would have to pay employees more. if you ship things you use the roads more than someone who dosent even own a car. your employess have be educated at our public schools which childless couples pay for too.

remember everything in this country was paid for buy our grandparents were paid for buy our grandparents for all of us to use and if we don’t keep them up what will we leave for our grandchildren

George W

December 10th, 2010
2:00 pm

Keep up the good fight….Come on man you made this too easy.

Waterboarding and Torture has never kept this country safe. Yes, it has and it will. More information means better security.

Minorities are not the only ones getting federal assistance nor do they receive it it based solely on minority basis. Look at the percentages that receive assistance then look at the population percentages. you will see that there are MUCH more minorities receiveing assistnace.

Not everyone receiving assistance is pregnant or a deadbeat or whatever else you chose to label them because of your closed mind. Again, look at the numbers.

Not all Muslims are bad or radical. Agreed, but look at 95% of the terrorist attacks over the past 10 years and tell me who is to blame.

Not all radicals are Muslim…some are Christians. Again refer to previous question. When was the last time you saw a Christian cutting someones head off. or bombing buildings.

Not everything you post is a “fact”. N/A

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
2:01 pm

Georgian….So you dont think drawing unemployment for 2 YEARS is not milking the system?

I know the question wasn’t ask of me but I know 2 people who have been out of work for long terms, one about a year and the other a year and a half. One has lost her house. $300.00 doesn’t cover a $1,000.00 mortgage payment and in this economy, it didn’t sell. She is in her 50’s and has lost almost everything. Would she move to take a job? Of course! Where is she going to get the money to move? She has paid into unemployment insurance for 30+ years and now people are bitc*ing that she needs it. YES, she is looking and not “milking ” the system. Get to know some of these people. Learn something. Learn that there are NO jobs out there!

Where are the jobs that these tax cuts were supposed to have created over the last 10 years? Why is it just if we DON’T renew them that there won’t be any new jobs? Are they going to magically appear in the next two years?

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
2:01 pm

Ah Kam,

I love how you try to muddy the facts with your twists on things. Although 99 weeks is not exactly 2 years, its pretty dang close. But I know I know…. blah blah blah you say.

williebkind

December 10th, 2010
2:04 pm

I just paid a fine of $385 for drunk in public. It is not my fault! If the economy was better I could find an open bar.

George W

December 10th, 2010
2:04 pm

Somewhereinga….I feel sorry for your friends, but they at some point have to support themselves.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
2:09 pm

Keep,

FACT: Waterboarding and other tactics employed against terrorist brought out REAL evidence that stopped planned attacks and terror against Americans.

FACT: 25% of the prisoners released from Gitmo STILL went back to terrorist groups.

FACT: Minorities receive a far greater percentage of the “help” pie than do others.

FACT: Many get prego just to receive a check.

FACT: Never said all Muslims were bad, I said extremists most which happen to be Muslim and you can say that w/out it being a bad thing.

FACT: The Holy Bible gives proof of an Anit-Christ.

FACT: Every piece of evidence I gave you on Congressional staff salary is accurate, and you continue to dodge that misrepresentation you made.

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
2:12 pm

George W. I haven’t tried this so I don’t know the results and I don’t know what your job skills are. Monday start sending out resumes looking for a job…cold. You are “unemployed”. Tell them you have been unemployed for 9 months. No cash coming in. See how long it takes you to get a “good” job, one that you can support your family on, pay the mortgage, car payment, etc.. Not just flipping burgers at McDonalds part-time.

This might be a good lesson for all of us. Possibly a lesson in humility.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
2:14 pm

Although 99 weeks is not exactly 2 years, its pretty dang close.

What is the saying about close, horseshoes and hand grenades?

Words have specific meanings, sport.

I think that this line (at 1:01) from a real cult classic is appropriate right about now.

George W

December 10th, 2010
2:15 pm

Somewhereinga…..I am well educated and knowledgeable about my job and my industry. I have a job and I have had three job offers in the past two months. I also own two businesses.

Your reference of a “good job” is what I am talking about. There are jobs out there, maybe now as good of a job as the one you lost but there are jobs out there.

George W

December 10th, 2010
2:16 pm

Kamcheck…..in that case part of your statement is false as well. Not all years have 52 weeks. Some have only 51. Come on man get with the program.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
2:18 pm

There’s a reason for the lack of jobs in this country that no one is saying, and it has to do with population.

Baby boomers are affecting more than just Social Security. They are also affecting employment. Many are still in jobs that traditionally would have been opening up right now. More people are working to an older age. More people are reluctant to give up their jobs and retire bc of the uncertainty of things. These are reasons jobs are hard to find, good paying jobs.

Blue

December 10th, 2010
2:18 pm

CT…and any other liberal…give me any good reason that there should be ANY estate tax…AT ALL???

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
2:18 pm

Georgian…when you can prove #1, then come back. The courts have excluded most of the “evidence” and nothing has ever been proven to have saved any planned attacks. The waterboarding came after the planned attacks were stopped.

And if you thing the Bible “proves” anything, you really dont understand proof. The Bible fails to prove there is even a God. You must “believe” and have “faith”. And the sign says…you know its a myth.

Fact: Every statement I made about congressional staff salary has been reported and accurate. Prove that I have said a single thing that is inaccurate….

Georgie W…did you hitch a ride on the idiotic post train too?
Many get prego just to receive a check? Most idiotic posts.

George W

December 10th, 2010
2:21 pm

Keep up the good fight……call it what you want, but you are the one denying the truth and facts.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
2:21 pm

Kam,

Whether its close or not is not the point. You change the subject from his overall point to point out small minute parts to have an argument for discussion. You would rather argue the fact that 99 weeks is not 2 complete years than to accept the fact that what he was saying about someone being on unemployment for 99 weeks milking the system.

Blain

December 10th, 2010
2:26 pm

“CT…and any other liberal…give me any good reason that there should be ANY estate tax…AT ALL???”

That’s easy. Either they or their relatives need our cash. Haven’t a clue how to get their own.

williebkind

December 10th, 2010
2:26 pm

I think there should be a maximum wage! Say no more than 5million.

NC Guy

December 10th, 2010
2:28 pm

Kamchek
I used to live near a samll twon up there called Little Switzerland, are you near there?
Have a good weekend

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
2:32 pm

Keep,

The proof is everywhere.

Former CIA operative John Kiriakou, who now opposes waterboarding, admitted the practice saved lives because of imformation that was collected. Who gives a crap if it holds up in a court. These people should not even be able to have any court hearings. They are the lowest scum of the Earth. They deserve what they get.

Also, no attacks on US soil since 9/11.

The Bible is proof enough, and you will have your proof on that one day buddy I guarantee you, and you can look back and remember Georgian told you so when you go through that hot fiery pit.

Proof: You dispute the fact that the pay raises are not wasteful. They are in line with what is deserving of each individual worker. You are attempting to make it look as if it is wasteful, when it is not such.

Don’t think they get prego for a check? You are inexperienced with those individuals bc if you were many of them will freely admit to you they get prego so they can get that check and assistance. The more the better.

james

December 10th, 2010
2:32 pm

agreed williebkind if you didn’t start the business you are capped- feel your pain on the public drunkedness-

next time just tell the police you are illegal and want to talk to ICE

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
2:35 pm

OK try this one:

In the IT industry there are jobs all over the country. Say you have been unemployed for 6 months in YOUR part of the country. SAY Atlanta with UI benefits making 330 a week. How will you relocate to Chicago and survive until you get paid (remember you still have that mortgage in Atlanta).

The job in Chicago pays $50 per hour which includes living expenses) DO the flippin math.

Oh yeah don’t apply if you aren’t an H1b (remember the US IT workers don’t have any skills) Just ask Congress since they have continued to pass the H1b visa extension yearly since the 90’s.

John Galt

December 10th, 2010
2:42 pm

I propose that we have a one-time charge on every American of $1,000, due to the federal government by January 15.

If you refuse to support my plan, you have just added $300 trillion dollars to the deficit, according to the liberals. And MUCH OF IT GOES TO THE RICH, FOR SHAME!!

Mike

December 10th, 2010
2:48 pm

This whole deficit thing is so easy to solve.

Tax us at 20% of GDP and let’s spend 20% of GDP. Then just work out the details.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
2:48 pm

The problem is there’s not enough of the rich that can make up for those that don’t pay or the ones that can’t pay.

HDB

December 10th, 2010
2:52 pm

Georgian December 10th, 2010
2:09 pm

FACT: Minorities receive a far greater percentage of the “help” pie than do others

That statement is FALSE!! If you take the demographic breakdown, here are the statistics on welfare recipients:

Traits of families on AFDC (1)

Race
————–
White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

Time on AFDC
—————————
Less than 7 months 19.0%
7 to 12 months 15.2
One to two years 19.3
Two to five years 26.9
Over five years 19.6

Number of children
——————-
One 43.2%
Two 30.7
Three 15.8
Four or more 10.3

Age of Mother
——————
Teenager 7.6%
20 – 29 47.9
30 – 39 32.7
40 or older 11.8

George W

December 10th, 2010
2:54 pm

HDB…..great job making up those statistics! haha

George W

December 10th, 2010
2:56 pm

Blacks take 37% of welfare but only make up about 17% of the population……thanks for proving our point!

George W

December 10th, 2010
2:56 pm

I get so disappointed of my own race (Black) when I see these types of reports. When are we as a race ever going to rise up?>

Blame the North

December 10th, 2010
2:59 pm

Hey George W,

Blame the yankees. There was a time in this country when a black man had a guaranteed job as well as room and board. if it wasn’t for the North,the black man wouldn’t need all this public assistance.

George W

December 10th, 2010
3:00 pm

Blame….Dont forget free food as well.

Blame the North

December 10th, 2010
3:01 pm

George,

Right, all supplied free of charge without the use of taxpayer money.

George W

December 10th, 2010
3:02 pm

Blame…..the cost of welfare and government assistance would certainly come down!

Blame the North

December 10th, 2010
3:03 pm

George W,

You’re right. If we put in a non-violence provision, maybe we can sell it to DC. Think of all the public funds that would be made available for other projects. I bet we could get a strong vote from the Southern states.

George W

December 10th, 2010
3:04 pm

Blame. probably get a strong vote from all states!

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
3:05 pm

George W… read the post again. It wasn’t me that lost the job. I own my own business also. (which is why I don’t have all day to play on here.)

HDB

December 10th, 2010
3:06 pm

Blame the North
December 10th, 2010
2:59 pm

I don’t blame the yankees…..if it weren’t for them, many would still be OWNED!!!

George W December 10th, 2010
2:56 pm

I, too, also wonder. Many of us HAVE taken advantage of what this nation has to offer; many haven’t! You know the saying: You can lead a horse to water……

What many are still failing to acknowledge, however, is that for those who HAVE taken the course for progression, they are being marginalized by the majority as being “outside the mainstream”! Until that marginalization declines…….

Larry

December 10th, 2010
3:06 pm

Kamchak– if you believe in CBO reports, then there is the start of the problem. That’s like believing something because Cynthia said it. The CBO also said that the health care bill would reduce the deficit. For the most part, they just feedback based on the assumptions they are given. They don’t question the assumptions, for example, part of the “savings” of the health care is the “doc fix”. How long has that one been on the table?

And if you take the cash out of a business, what happens? You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that a business that heavily relies on loans (farming/small businesses) and has a cash to crop cycle of 4 – 6 months is not going to get healthier when you take away it’s cash. Banks start to take a different view when you have a bad balance sheet which makes it harder to get those loans that are needed to keep the business afloat. The law of unintended consequences will play out and what right do we as a society have to the fruits of a man’s labor when it has already been taxed? We’ve already received the benefits of that persons labor in the form of tax paying jobs, taxes and services, and now we think we have a right, like a blood relative, to his estate? God help us if you truely believe you have the rights to your neighbors estate.

Blame the North

December 10th, 2010
3:06 pm

George W,

we can repalce all of the public housing with farms and cotton plantations. The residents would automatically have jobs and could live and work right next to their kids, thereby eliminating the need for welfare, daycare and child services. Heck, all we need is someone to watchover the operation and make sure everyone stays in line.

CW

December 10th, 2010
3:07 pm

Of course they will! They’re going to burn Christine O’Donnell at the stake in protest.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
3:08 pm

NC Guy

After a quick googledy search, it looks as if I am +/- 140 miles or so as the crow flies, however not a single crow that I know of carries an odometer.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
3:08 pm

HDB,

And if you look at the number of 11 million plus out of 30 something million blacks in the US population on welfare, you would see that that is 1/3 of the black population. Whites on the other hand make up 11 million plus out of 229 million whites in the US population, which equates to 5 percent of their population.

Therefore we see that 30% of blacks are on Welfare, while only 5% of whites are. It doesn’t matter the % of recipients.

Also if you add in “minority”, if you want to go that route, just looking at those on Welfare, you would see that 60 percent of minorities receive assistance. I didnt single out blacks, you did.

Surely whites are going to have the greater percentage when you look at the number that are on it. But if you want to look at it compared white vs black, there are clearly a WHOLE HECK of a lot more blacks on welfare than whites in their populations. 1 in 3 blacks on welfare vs 1 in 20 whites.

George W

December 10th, 2010
3:11 pm

Georgian…..this country would be so much better off without them. Do you think we can put them all on a boat and ship them back. REASON: Defective product!

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
3:11 pm

Ah HDB,

The old lie that slavery would only have been stopped if we had of had war. Not true! The south went to war with the north for many more important reasons than slavery.

Blame the North

December 10th, 2010
3:14 pm

Georgian,

I don’t Slaves would be PC. I think we would need to have a more friendly name for the program. How about The Lifetime Work Guarantee Program. All the recipients could be called “Lifers”

williebkind

December 10th, 2010
3:15 pm

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
2:48 pm
It is not that there is not enough of the rich, it is those who are rich are really rich–that is the problem in my mind. How about those bonuses the bankers are doling out this year plus the salaries of atheletes, tv anchors, radio talk shows, and others. Yes they deserve it. The bankers failed the banks, got free money from the taxpayer, was forced to become disciplined as they should have been in the beginning, and now are receiving more money in bonuses than most people make in a lifetime. I said in a lifetime. What if the maximum salary was only 5 million a year and anything over that is taxed at 95% and the employer would get taxed or lose tax breaks for paying those wages. Hey lets try it! More will see the American dream than a selected few.

Georgian

December 10th, 2010
3:16 pm

No George W,

That is not necessary. Our government is at fault in this, not them. There are no barriers when it comes to being sorry. Many whites are the sorriest ppl alive. The best thing we can do is encourage them to be productive citizens and not give them everything.

HDB

December 10th, 2010
3:16 pm

George W December 10th, 2010
2:54 pm

BTW, I didn’t make up the stats, I researched it!!

According to math, with whites comprising 80% of the US population, and blacks comprising 12%….96.4M whites are on welfare vs. 13.8M blacks.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
3:18 pm

Kamchak– if you believe in CBO reports, then there is the start of the problem.

It wasn’t just the CBO Larry-poo, the American Farm Bureau Federation confirmed the speciousness of the claim

God help us if you truely[sic] believe you have the rights to your neighbors estate.

What is it with you silly cons putting words in my mouth. I never advocated anything of the sort.

By exposing your drama-queenieness, I believe that Santa should bring you one of these for X-mas.

George W

December 10th, 2010
3:18 pm

HDB……OMG!! hahaha you really just didnt say that did you? You are the dumbest person on the face of the earth. HAHAHA Seriously!?!?!?! hahaha

williebkind

December 10th, 2010
3:18 pm

HDB:
I saw a poster that said,” Slavery, Sh*t gets done!” Of course I immdiately went into a rage and called my congressman.

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
3:18 pm

Blue

December 10th, 2010
2:18 pm
CT…and any other liberal…give me any good reason that there should be ANY estate tax…AT ALL???

If I give you 10 millions dollars don’t you think you should have to pay some taxes on it? It’s income to you.

There’s no difference in me giving it to you than it being left to you in a will. And before you do the “but they already paid taxes on it”, yeah, so did I. So, what’s the difference?

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
3:21 pm

Hey Tucker, you are noticably silent today…probably wishing you hadn’t hit the enter button, huh? Keep talking, you are doing great!

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
3:22 pm

NOTICEABLY, duh….

George W

December 10th, 2010
3:24 pm

Slavery would be a GREAT way to restore the economy.

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
3:25 pm

somehwereinga,
The difference is it is not yours, but if you still want to take my personal property I have to ask you one question….Do you feel lucky, well do you, punk?

williebkind

December 10th, 2010
3:27 pm

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
3:18 pm
We need a law that eliminates taxing fixed retirement incomes. Why do you think that you should tax my dead father’s farm that I have to sell it just to pay taxes. Now that is a real reason to work hard and build a great business so government can come in and take half of it. The son should pay taxes on the income he makes off the inheritence not the heritence itself. But I am just a rugged American–public education and all. Democrats take back your party!

HDB

December 10th, 2010
3:27 pm

Georgian
December 10th, 2010
3:08 pm

US Population: 310M
White Population: 80%
Black Population: 12%
Hispanics: 15.8%
% Whites on Welfare: 38.8
% blacks on Welfare: 37.2
% Hispanics on Welfare 17.8
Do the calculation…it’s almost 7 whites (6.98) for every black person on welfare….and 6.95 whites for every Hispanic on welfare…..

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
3:29 pm

Truthers, birthers, civil war revisionists….the nut jobs just keep on coming.

Kam, you might like this story on contractor fraud from last night. Just watch out for the ugly attorney.

HDB

December 10th, 2010
3:29 pm

George W

December 10th, 2010
3:24 pm
Slavery would be a GREAT way to restore the economy.

We ALREADY in slavery —- if you’re working for the money rather than the money working for YOU!!!

williebkind

December 10th, 2010
3:29 pm

HDB:
If you like experiments, lets relocate minorities so that all states have an equal share. Feel the love.

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
3:30 pm

williebkind,
you are right, the fox is running the henhouse in the far left liberal/socialist party these days….

HDB

December 10th, 2010
3:34 pm

williebkind
December 10th, 2010
3:29 pm

Question: In your relocation plan, would I get the current value of 40 acres and a mule??

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
3:38 pm

HDB,
Based on Barrack Hussein Obama’s own words, if you are in a postion to have your money work for you, you are evil, greedy, already make too much and you are part of the hostage takers. Such eloquent words from the community-organizer-in-chief. The ‘great orator’ moniker is totally made up mainstream media hot air…..like his tele-prompter driven drivel.

HDB

December 10th, 2010
3:39 pm

williebkind

December 10th, 2010
3:29 pm
HDB:
If you like experiments, lets relocate minorities so that all states have an equal share. Feel the love.

Question: In your relocation plan, would I get the current value of 40 acres and a mule?? If so, send me to Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Montana, Idaho, or Oregon…..

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
3:54 pm

Boy, you can tell Cynthia isn’t around today. The seamy underside of society has decided to post today!

williebkind …I generally agree with your post on fixed retirement incomes.

Now…show me the name of ONE person who has had to sell their farm to pay inheritance taxes.

As for Billybob…I have 357 little friends that I keep by my desk that think YOU are the punk.

JohnnyReb

December 10th, 2010
3:59 pm

I don’t officially belong to the Tea Party, but I protested. I called both senators and my congressman to protest a bill that is suppose to address tax rates and unemployment containing earmarks for windfarms, ethenol, NASCAR and who knows what else. This whole mess means that lame duck Congress sessions should be eliminated.

George W

December 10th, 2010
4:02 pm

George W

December 10th, 2010
4:03 pm

HDB…..shows your ignorance again! All blacks that applied for their 40 acres and mule received theirs. How many of those families still own that land do you think?

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
4:10 pm

Keep

Forget the attorney, that Phae Howard is quite the babe!

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
4:18 pm

somewhereinga,
I would not try to claim your inheritence to redistribute it so I would never meet all 357 of your friends while you, on the other hand, are the one promoting that tax and asking to ’say hello to my little friend’. Let’s be clear who is who…..FYI, you should have more respect for yourself and YOUR posting today…..

james

December 10th, 2010
4:22 pm

I just caught CT madly providing notes to Bernie Sanders to keep the filibuster going

I think he just said something about the health care bill, hating Palin, and wanting to give GM employees fourty acres and a mule for every head of a millionaire brought to him on a platter.

A Lumpkin Resident

December 10th, 2010
4:29 pm

The Tea Party wants lower taxes AND lower spending AND lower deficits. CT makes a submits logic fallacy : that the only choice a Tea Party advocate wants is lower deficits.

Further, CT tries to paint the TParty in a corner by saying that the PelosiReidObamaCare will lower deficits. That is outright laughable. That depends on the containment of Medicare costs, and requires cuts in Medicare payments to service providers… cuts that Congress has been unwilling to make for 40 years. Even now, cuts will go into affect on Jan 1, and Congress is rallying to save them (and thus, PelosiReidObamaCare will NOT cut deficits). To depend on program solvency via cuts to a program that you have staunchly defended from cuts for 40 years is an outright LIE to the American people… a lie that Pelosi, Reid and Obama propagated to justify and finance their new entitlement.

carlosgvv

December 10th, 2010
4:30 pm

Tea Party Republicans will not protest because protecting the interests of the rich is their number one priority. You may be as critical of them as you like. It will make no difference to them because being in the good graces of the rich is all they care about. They are also convinced their supporters are too dumb to realize any of this. Unfortunately, for the most part, they are just that dumb.

james

December 10th, 2010
4:32 pm

carlosgvv- which Mensa group do you belong to?

james

December 10th, 2010
4:34 pm

Bill Clinton given a WH press conference. He is back and should stay!

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
4:37 pm

jimmie-poo

Did you perchance go to the national to-do in Detroit this year?

What about that little regional gathering a couple of months ago?

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
4:42 pm

carlosgvv,
Keep talking that line. By the way, if you research that ‘far left liberal false template’ that you were sold by Obama/dems and bought into, you will find its origins in marxism/socialism, which Obama happens to aspire to. Please think about this, it’s a marxist ’slogan’….which kind of sounds like ‘hope and change’. Also, the ‘intellectual superiority’ template is played out as well. Good luck…..

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
4:44 pm

Kam…definitely agree! But watch out for the big husband!

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
4:46 pm

Keep

Forewarned is forearmed.

james

December 10th, 2010
4:49 pm

last item on the agenda- I respectfully request no more … poos-

a slight bit creepy when not preceded by winnie the……

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
4:52 pm

Billybob…talking about drivel. Maybe you should try a teleprompter when you write. You wrote “the one promoting that tax and asking to ’say hello to my little friend’. ”

Maybe you can point out where I asked to say hello to your little friend (are you really admitting he’s little?)

“FYI, you should have more respect for yourself and YOUR posting today…..”

I have complete total respect for myself and certainly am not looking for it from the likes of you.

somewhereinga

December 10th, 2010
4:53 pm

Ya’ll have a good weekend. Enjoy the (hopeful) snow and don’t pack the grocery stores!

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
4:54 pm

I respectfully request no more …

You were the one that played the MENSA card, sport.

Merely wondering about your involvement in that particular organization.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
5:02 pm

(are you really admitting he’s little?)

Oh, snap!

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
5:04 pm

I thought everyone in America knew that movie line from Scarface. My comment was used based on you agreeing about taxing and redistributing someone’s inheritance and mentioned only after you talked about your 357 that I could meet. Respect for yourself was based on your own’ seamy underside’ comment. If you make comments like that be a man about them. Leave the homosexual comments to Kamchak, homey don’t play that way….

Dick Hertz

December 10th, 2010
5:22 pm

Ragnar Danneskjold lives in Rainbow Unicorn Land, where you can believe anything is true all day and nothing bad ever happens when you are willfully ignorant of facts and truth.
The economy collapsed because of endless willful corruption and greed brought to us by Gramm Leach Bliley, instigated by Greenspan and coddled by Bush. When we get an executive that will investigate and prosecute criminals, then the economy will rebound. Obama and Holder don’t have the guts to do it, and the GOP is basically a mafia in the service of big inherited wealth. Now banks and mortgage servicers are forging titles and allonges (nakedcapitalism.com) and our GOP managed financial institutions and the Fed are desperately loaning pretend money around to all of their buddies so they never have to actually put their cards on the table (and be found bankrupt), which we know because Alan Grayson and Kookie Paul Sr. and Bernie Sanders voted to audit the Fed.
Teabaggers (as they described themselves therefore not a slur) have already been sold out, but they don’t have the intellectual acumen or flexibility to change positions in response to new information (e.g. R.D. above). They just repeat what their talking heads tell them to, e.g. that CRA caused the disaster, that all the foreclosure problems are from the mortgagees, that bankers are responsible, and so on. All these things are zombie lies that keep coming back from the dead because most Americans aren’t ready to admit that the systems that run their daily lives are corrupt and designed to rob them, and they have been trained to believe that the government is part of the problem rather than the means to a solution (Thanks Reagan for making that so). Conservatism is the cause, both Republican and Democratic, for these problems because these people have committed to a system of corrupt money worship (as foretold in the Bible that no one seems to read) and put concern for their fellow man and the state of the nation as a distant runner up. Unto the least of ye? Jail and raised taxes and foreclosure by fraud! The best of ye? Give us some more money and we’ll shift your taxes onto some poor schmuck then laff as we steal his social security and medicare!

Libby

December 10th, 2010
5:34 pm

WEll Dick – I can see why it does.

Can of Peace

December 10th, 2010
5:42 pm

When it says
Libbys
Libbys
Libbys
on the
label
label
label
you will
like it
like it
like it
on your
table
table
table….

Jackie

December 10th, 2010
5:49 pm

I believe all the so-called conservatives and Tea Party supporters have laryngitis and a growing case of heart burn. They have begun to realize the folks they elected do not have their best interest at heart, therefore, they are waiting for the other shoe to fall.

Social Security, Medicare, MedicAid and other social safety net programs are to be cut in order to keep from spending money we have to borrow.

Holly

December 10th, 2010
5:54 pm

Hey Keep up the good fight (whatever that may be) – the truth is not ignorant. Look how this country has declined since the 1960’s. Look at your leaders like Rangel.

Keep up the good fight!

December 10th, 2010
6:24 pm

Right Holly…. Look at those leaders like Vitter and Mr. Wide Stance. Even Cheney has been indicted! Be proud and don’t get your sheets dirty with the truth. Wave the ignorance flag proudly….and proclaim your racism! Worthless power! Worthless power! is your chant.

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
6:38 pm

Jackie,
TeaParty elected officials will not have a say until January. Done…
Thanks for listing social security, medicaid and medicare that are all liberal socialist programs that are helping to bankrupt us. These were created by…..wait for it……….not the Tea Party…..and done….
KUtGF,
far left liberal intellectual superiority and racist template ALERT. Nice job, you make it so easy….BUT, both parties are to blame for this mess!

Billybob

December 10th, 2010
6:55 pm

Today Bill Clinton was brought into the White House and the podium to help Obama convince the far left dems to pass this bill. Obama spoke for 10 minutes and said he had to leave and then Clinton continued to try to persuade for the next 20 minutes. Our current president, barrack hussein obama, was REDUCED TO AN AFTERTHOUGHT today in front of the whole wide world. For Obama, this is without a doubt the WEAKEST moment in the history of a current sitting president. How is that ‘hope and change’ thing working for you now tucker? Wow!

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
6:59 pm

OH NOES! NOT THE HUSSEIN CARD!

Robbie

December 10th, 2010
7:26 pm

I wish I could say I was surprised at how utterly stupid the people are, who vote Republican and support this robbery. But I’m not. I wish I could say I’m surprised that Obama capitulated, and threw the middle class under the bus so the plutocrats in this country could get another tax cut. But I’m not. If we don’t stand up now, and scream, and demand the country back from the wealthy and powerful, we will have lost our country forever. But I’m not hopeful either. This truly has been the end of days for the United States. George W. Bush and now Barack H. Obama have done a fine job in bankrupting us while the wealthy increase their shares and their stranglehold on power.

SmittyATL

December 10th, 2010
7:39 pm

Dear Cynthia: The basic tenet the Tea Party movement is that taxes are too high, and that the debt problem is a result of too much spending, rather than too little taxation.

I’m sure you were attempting to be sarcastic with your little column, but instead it just sounds like the rantings of an uninformed ignoramus.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 10th, 2010
7:43 pm

Aahhh, now the liberals claim that the Repugs are in charge of the economy, all because they are in control of the House of Representatives. Amazing how the same crowd says the dummycrats had nothing to do with the 2007 financial meltdown aka Great Recession even though they controlled the House, that very same year.

Dizzying, isn’t it?

And for all you shallow people out there, tax cuts do not add to the deficit, federal spending does. I know that many of you think just because you have checks means that you have money in your checking account, but it doesn’t work that way here on Earth. It is not your money, it is We The People’s money.

So buzz off it, will ya?

Jack

December 10th, 2010
7:44 pm

I’ve raised enough children to recognize a tantrum when I see one: that’s exactly what you’re seeing in this liberal spiel posing as a opinion column.

Paddy O

December 10th, 2010
9:11 pm

this is a smoke screen. You are NOT spending the peoples $$$, you are letting them keep it. To reduce the deficit, YOU MUST CUT SPENDING – eliminate all foreign investment, eliminate all federal grants – including those really useless sociology studies – eliminate 2 carrier groups (recommend 5) – eliminate NASA & the Dept. of Education; begin taxing imports at a high rate. Terminate the EIC (if in a nice mood, do it over 5 -10 years). Reform income tax as follows: All citizens over age 18, or whom have an income over $8000, must pay a minimum of 2.5% income tax. However, there are deductions: $25,000 per adult; $8000 per child; 10% of income is exempt. All income is treated equally (dividends, alimony/child support). After all deductions, this gross adjusted income is taxed at 17% – if this is more than unadjusted gross income multiplied by 2.5, then you pay that amount; otherwise, you pay the 2.5%. This would eliminate all itemized deductions and allow the termination of 50% of IRS agents. Might affect CPA & HR Block.

Paddy O

December 10th, 2010
9:14 pm

NAFTA, unions & the poor pitiful me syndrome is what is killing this nation. Feminism has not helped.

martin the calvinist

December 10th, 2010
10:03 pm

I am not surprised about all of this. This compromise, which in the beginning, I was happy with. Now I’m not. But I have to say that this “tax cut” isn’t one. It’s keeping the current tax rates current. Don’t give me this “Republicans planned for them to expire stuff” It went down this way because it was the only way to get it passed in the first place. The Democrats would’ve filibustered the bill in the first place if the rates would have been made permanent. The most effective way to cut the deficit is to cut spending drastically. But politicians like control over you and they’ll spend it despite what you say. Cause they know better. Just ask B. Clinton. He said it, he believes it! We need true tax reform that doesn’t penalize anyone and actually does a good job collecting revenue. But too many people feel they are entitled to some one elses money. Thou shall not covet! I think people need to pay just a little more attention to that!

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
10:23 pm

The most effective way to cut the deficit is to cut spending drastically.

Sorry sport, but all this pearl-clutching, hand-ringing, teeth-gnashing and fainting couch-swooning over the deficit I just can’t take seriously.

George P. Burdell

December 10th, 2010
10:40 pm

$50 Billion over two years. Is that really all the Dems have to rally on about? November just hit a record for a month at $150 billion. They stuck their necks out, God love them, but they are just simply wrong on this one. They have no position to play, they will look even dumber, CT can scream until she is blind, but the Dems have done nothing on their attempts to stall this compromise but weaken their own status and weaken their leader.

travelingman141

December 11th, 2010
12:57 am

Will Cynthia Tucker realize that her beliefs are one of pure betrayal to the country in which she was born and raised?

I doubt it….
3-0 Cynthia 3-0

Eugene Berkovich

December 11th, 2010
2:07 am

No tax cut for the top earners had ever CREATED a single job. And why should it? The employers don’t just start hiring people upon the receipt of the tax cut out of goodness of their heart. They need a higher DEMAND for their products and/or service. Without it, not a job is added tax cut or no tax cut.

Another piece of useless information: we are currently enjoying the most relaxed tax regime in more than 80 years. The taxes are at their lowest.

But, guess what, 1950s-1960s saw some of the biggest economy growth this country had ever experienced. The top marginal rates were between 70% and 90% (far cry from today’s 36%)

Top marginal tax rate has little to do with the growth of economy and/or unemployment rate.

It is sad and horrifying at the same time to see people complaining that they are overtaxed or that a top marginal rate tax cut will somehow spark the recovery

TnGelding

December 11th, 2010
5:22 am

Many probably will be very upset. I think your numbers are wrong on the tax savings, but if you’re right, what’s your point? You’re giving ammo to your opponents. NOBODY knows what the insurance reform bill will do to the deficit, but I’d guess the chances are nil that it will reduce it. Increased participation and mandated coverage will cost less? Look at the original estimates on the cost of Medicare. I agree about Ethanol. It’s costly and inefficient, plus immoral to use food to produce energy for our love of the automobile. But you can bet the Tea Partiers, and others on both sides of the aisle, will make themselves heard.

SmittyATL

December 11th, 2010
8:22 am

My boss didn’t give me a Christmas bonus this year. How am I going to pay for that???

Nothing Is Free

December 11th, 2010
8:42 am

HDB

- -% Whites on Welfare: 38.8
% blacks on Welfare: 37.2
% Hispanics on Welfare 17.8- -

You are misrepresenting those numbers. That’s not the percentage of each race on welfare. that’s the percentage of welfare recipients from that race, completely different numbers. In other words,

Percentage of Welfare recipients that are white 38.8%
Percentage of Welfare recipients that are Black 37.2%
Percentage of Welfare recipients that are Hispanic 17.8%

5.27% white* (5.27% of the white population is on welfare)
27.78% black* (27.78% of the black population is on welfare)
11.47% Hispanic* ** (11.47% of the Hispanic population is on welfare)

Did you do that on purpose, or were you simply misinformed?

carlosgvv

December 11th, 2010
8:57 am

james and Billybob

Making fun of me does not in any way invalidate what I said and will NOT make it go away. Billybob, has it ever even once occured to you why Socialism has become such a dirty word? Could it be because your “compassionate conservatives” have brainwashed you into believing it is so? Maybe a thorough dispassionate study of Socialism could show you how you have been so deceived by the Republican zealots. If you won’t do that, at least stop critizing something you obviously know nothing about.

rascal

December 11th, 2010
9:00 am

As usual, CT believes the money they are losing is their money not ours. CT, we earn the money, and us keeping it is not a cost to the government. I am very angry about this stupid deal. Doling out more government spending is adding to the debt, not the tax rate extensions. They should cut our taxes, cut government spending by the $100’s of billions and shut down 75% of government programs and let the states decide if they wish to continue the madness at the local level.

carlosgvv

December 11th, 2010
9:01 am

james

The Mensa group I belong to is the same one whose entrance test you took and failed miserably.

gator24

December 11th, 2010
9:02 am

The Tea Party people for the most part are a bunch of phony protester’s started in February 2009 after President Obama was sworn in. This Tea Party was started by Dick Armey’s Freedom Works along with the Koch Bros to confuse the Know Nothing Voters that the deficit was ruining all of America. This is the use of a wedge issue like Gay marriage and others to win an election. How do you reward people for doing nothing for two years, you come up with phony wedge issues.

SmittyATL

December 11th, 2010
9:09 am

gator24: Borrowing more than $40K per American, which our children will be forced to finance, is not a wedge issue; it’s irresponsible. It was irresponsible when FDR did it, when Reagan did it, and now.

PS: Learn what an apostrophe is for.

Kamchak

December 11th, 2010
9:27 am

…when Reagan did it…

And yet, the tea-baggers didn’t come together under his administration.

Any idea why that is?

Nothing Is Free

December 11th, 2010
9:37 am

carlosgvv

I once atended a mensa meeting. I had to leave. The body odor was overwhelming.

Nothing Is Free

December 11th, 2010
10:33 am

Kammy

- -…when Reagan did it…

And yet, the tea-baggers didn’t come together under his administration.- -

The Tea Party movement happened 20 years after Reagan died.

I suppose in your horribly uneducated way, you were trying to ask why such a movement didn’t appear during the Reagan years, but with you, it’s a crap shoot as far as figuring out what you are actually trying to say.

Dirty Dawg

December 11th, 2010
10:43 am

Tea Party? What Tea Party? Now the the Koch brothers and the Dick Armey’s and the rest of the cynical, manipulating sonsofbeaches have gotten what they wanted from them they’ve moved on to pouring the money into the campaign coffers of the ‘newly elected’ – along with the ‘oldly elected, of course’ – to see to it that their ‘use’ of the Tea Party starts paying off right away. Say this for these greedy-a$$ billionaires, they know how to ‘game’ the system….and the rest of us can just go pound sand….we’ll see how it all turns out in the end…seems to me they went through something like this about a century ago in Northern Asia…now that was real ‘class warfare’.

carlosgvv

December 11th, 2010
10:58 am

Nothing is Free

If that is your attitude toward Mensa, it is definitely past time for you to buy a new double-wide and move to Alabama.

Kamchak

December 11th, 2010
11:02 am

The Tea Party movement happened 20 years after Reagan died.

You figured that out all on your own, did you?

Absofreakin’lutelyamazing!

SmittyATL

December 11th, 2010
11:51 am

Kamchak’s homophobic slurs aside, the Tea Party movement is all about ending the federal government’s excessive taxation and excessive spending.

We Americans — rich, poor, and in between — can contribute to the causes that we feel are worthy without a bloated bureaucratic government inserting itself in the middle and fouling everything up. The federal government needs to focus on defense, national security, and public good such as infrastructure. It has been a massive failure at trying to manage retirement accounts, welfare, and home financing; these functions should be left to private industry and (in the case of welfare) charity. I believe strongly in helping those who are less fortunate; I do not believe in allowing the political machine in Washington to manage that on my behalf.

Kamchak

December 11th, 2010
12:05 pm

SmittyATL

December 11th, 2010
12:08 pm

I was too young to understand the implications of government overspending when Reagan was president. But I sure remember my father objecting to the deficit spending back then. Too bad we didn’t rein in the government pork-and-welfare machine before it got completely out of control. $40K for every child and adult in the US is a burden that we may never recover from, no matter how many illegal immigrants Cynthia’s cohorts bring in to “solve” the problem.

Kamchak

December 11th, 2010
12:09 pm

I was too young to understand the implications of government overspending when Reagan was president.

Yes.

That is painfully obvious.

SmittyATL

December 11th, 2010
12:18 pm

I see that Kamchak is continuing with his homophobic slurs. But he (she?) does indirectly raise a good point. A group of elected officials is raising funds through private donors to pay off debts… On one hand, that doesn’t bother me, because the money is not coming out of the taxpayers’ pockets. However, I do agree that having lawmakers from either party indebted the lobbyists is a bad idea, because that raises a conflict of interest. Kamchak was attempting to point the finger only at certain Republicans, but the point applies to corrupt lawmakers from both parties. This really underscores the point that you can’t trust Washington to work on our behalf. The less discretion they have to spend our money, the better.

Susan McGuire

December 11th, 2010
12:19 pm

I don’t know what the tea-partiers’ response will be, and frankly don’t care. But as a staunch Obama supporter, I am sure embarrassed that he drug Bill Clinton out to help sell it to the Democrats. Didn’t the President (or his advisers) know how WEAK that was going to make him look? It’s one thing to get Clinton to call around and push it privately…but to haul him up onstage with you at a press conference and have him push it in a very public manner like that was about as stupid a thing as President Obama could have done.

SmittyATL

December 11th, 2010
12:21 pm

Painfully obvious?! Thirty years ago many of us were too young to understand implications of a lot of things; there’s no shame in that. Some of us have matured, some of you haven’t.

Kamchak

December 11th, 2010
12:22 pm

Kamchak was attempting to point the finger only at certain Republicans, but the point applies to corrupt lawmakers from both parties.

Please show me where I specifically excluded Democrats. Thanks in advance.

SmittyATL

December 11th, 2010
12:30 pm

Please show me where I specifically excluded Democrats. Thanks in advance.
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You’re welcome. It was the part where you referred to Republicans Francisco Canseco, Pete Sessions, and Jeb Hensarling, and made no mention of any Democrats except for the one who was voted out of office.

BTW, your courtesy is a welcome change, as is your acknowledgement that Congress can’t be trusted with our money. This goes to show that if you search hard enough, you can often find common ground. Good day!

Kamchak

December 11th, 2010
12:36 pm

It was the part where you referred to Republicans Francisco Canseco, Pete Sessions, and Jeb Hensarling, and made no mention of any Democrats…

But it was you who specifically canonized the freshman class of tea-baggers. If you can point out a newly elected Democrat tea-bagger, I will be more than happy to address that issue.

SmittyATL

December 11th, 2010
12:46 pm

Canonized the freshman class of WHAT? I think you must have the wrong person…

I don’t canonize any politicians. I happen to agree with the basic tenets of the tea party movement; that is a far cry from blindly backing an elected official! Some politicians claim to have beliefs consistent with mine. If they run in my district, I may vote for them (if I feel they are otherwise qualified). That doesn’t mean that I condone any unethical behavior on their part. They are supposed to work for us, not vice versa.

Kamchak

December 11th, 2010
12:51 pm

…as is your acknowledgement[sic] that Congress can’t be trusted with our money.

Acknowledgment of WHAT? I think you must have the wrong person…

Used to have a job

December 11th, 2010
2:00 pm

If we don’t pay unemployment benifits we won’t have any unemployed, none that you have to hear about anyway. Problem solved.

Toby

December 11th, 2010
2:03 pm

The poor just ned to buck-up and pay for the rich, it’s just not fair for the folks who took everyone’s house and 401 to give any of it back.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 11th, 2010
2:11 pm

Used to have a job@2:00 pm

If we don’t pay unemployment benifits we won’t have any unemployed, none that you have to hear about anyway. Problem solved.
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SHHHHHHHHHH, the regressives think that the unemployed that are not being counted magically got a job.

See ALL WE NEEDED TO DO WAS CUT OFF BENEFITS.

Pathetic isn’t it