GOP turns its back on patriotic and productive illegal immigrants

One of the more detrimental features of the current Republican Party is its indulgence of the stubborn nativism that characterizes its base. That was on full display last night, when only eight Republicans in the House of Representatives voted for the DREAM Act, which would provide a path to citizenship for young illegal immigrants who have demonstrated ambition, good character and talent.
The DREAM Act is no massive plan for “amnesty;” it is narrowly tailored to young folk who have lived in the U.S. for at least five years. They would be eligible for citizenship only if they served in the military for two years or finished two years of college. They would join the ranks of patriotic and productive Americans.
Michael Gerson, chief speechwriter for George W. Bush, had called on Republicans in Congress to support the bill:

It would be difficult to define a more sympathetic group of potential Americans. They must demonstrate that they are law-abiding and education-oriented. Some seek to defend the country they hope to join. The Defense Department supports the Dream Act as a source of quality volunteers. Business groups welcome a supply of college-educated workers. The Department of Homeland Security endorses the legislation so it can focus on other, more threatening, groups of illegal immigrants. . .

Whatever its legislative fate, the Dream Act is effective at stripping away pretense. Opponents of this law don’t want earned citizenship for any illegal immigrant – even those personally guilty of no crime, even those who demonstrate their skills and character. The Dream Act would be a potent incentive for assimilation. But for some, assimilation clearly is not the goal. They have no intention of sharing the honor of citizenship with anyone called illegal – even those who came as children, have grown up as neighbors and would be willing to give their lives in the nation’s cause.

During the current lame-duck session of Congress, Republicans have been correct to emphasize economic concerns, which the public prioritized in the recent election. But supporting the Dream Act would send a useful message – that some Republicans in victory are capable of governing for the sake of everyone.

But the GOP isn’t interested in proving its sense of duty to everyone. It only wants to satisfy its rich backers (witness its fealty to keeping tax cuts for the rich) and throw a few crumbs to its narrow-minded base. For those reasons, the DREAM Act is probably doomed in the Senate, where Republicans have pledged to block votes on everything else until they get the extension of tax cuts for the rich.

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Union

December 9th, 2010
7:37 am

what does the dream act do to address the issue of those that are here illegally? if they don’t comply with this program.. they will just remain here?

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
7:38 am

CBO Estimates DREAM Act Will Reduce The Deficit By $1.4 Billion Over Ten Years

Additional proof that the “deficit reduction” meme in the GOP is simply a smokescreen…. for what we wonder????

Union

December 9th, 2010
7:43 am

gg.. save 1.4 over ten years.. not bad.. especially when you consider the cost of illegals to california is 10 billion a year… or more..

Joel Edge

December 9th, 2010
7:45 am

Or possibly the headline should read: Democratic Party turns it back on rule of law.
Can we at least chunk out the unproductive ones without you libs getting the vapors? Maybe the ones with criminal records. Oh wait, that’s taken care of in the bill. How many misdemeanors can you have?

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
7:45 am

Must it be said again, CT? Alright, I’ll say it…

What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

But props to you for this article, CT. You managed to attack the GOP, the rich, and those opposed to illegal immigration in one article. If only you could’ve found a way to blame pure, unadulterated racism for the whole thing, you would’ve had a perfect article.

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
7:48 am

Union

I challenge your number.

TnGelding

December 9th, 2010
7:49 am

Would the illegal family members responsible for them being here be elegilbe for citizenship once the children become citizens? It’s not fair to tarnish the GOP this way, Cynthia. There are a few that support it. It’s hard to know someone’s motives. I’m conflicted on it myself. And get off this tax cut for the rich mantra. It was irresponsible to cut the tax rates so drastically to begin with, but at this point we need to pull together and close the budget deficit, and that’s going to require true sacrifice from all of us. I’d like to see language in the bill to extend them 2 years that neither side would seek a further extension. At some point we have to bite the bullet, and as you know I thought it might as well be right now. I can certainly understand the reasoning for the extension, though.

Obama is getting a civics lesson; the president does not control Congress. It’s good to see the Dems showing some independence.

Union

December 9th, 2010
7:50 am

gg.. of course you do.. look it up.. although the article i pulled was from 2004.. so its a little low..

Peadawg

December 9th, 2010
7:52 am

“Would the illegal family members responsible for them being here be elegilbe for citizenship once the children become citizens?” – Good question.

Martin the Calvinist

December 9th, 2010
7:53 am

At first I was totally against this legislation too, but Bortz gave a compelling argument to support it if it only gave legal status to children who were brought here by their parents. I’m not sure of every detail of this piece of legislation but the concept isn’t a bad idea. I think it has to do with the age of the person and how much proof has to be shown that they were brought here by their parents. I am totally against illegal immigration and overall amnesty but how can you round up everyone who sneaked over here and deport them. That would cost too much.

TnGelding

December 9th, 2010
7:56 am

Union

December 9th, 2010
7:37 am

It allows the INS to concentrate on dealing with those.

We can’t round up and deport 12-15 million people, but we can systematically go after those that are committing other illegal acts, and the Obama Administration is doing that.

Maybe we should issue special work permits to those that come forward and identify themselves that are obeying all the other laws and put even more pressure on those that don’t?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 9th, 2010
7:57 am

After a two-hour floor debate, the House passed the DREAM Act along mostly partisan lines, 216 to 198, with 38 Democrats voting against the bill and 8 Republicans supporting it.

Even proponents conceded they haven’t secured the 60 votes needed to move the bill forward in the Senate.

Just filling in the “truth gap.”

Know what I mean?

Martin the Calvinist

December 9th, 2010
7:57 am

I just couldn’t support this legislation if it opened the door for the person who becomes legal due to the Dream Act to be able get everyone in his extended family citizenship too. It has to be exclusively for that particular person and other than being here illegally, that person has to committed no other crime.

Union

December 9th, 2010
7:57 am

tngelding.. i like that idea.. although the simplicity of it would overwhelm most of our elected officials.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
7:58 am

The bill is TOO vague. First, Illegal immigrants can apply for student loans, which are footed by whom other than us the tax payer. Then it says if they don’t meet the conditions, they COULD be deported, not they WILL BE but they COULD be. Furthermore, the bill does NOTHING to solve the problem of illegal immigration, as only a few illegal immigrants would fall under this umbrella. Now I know and am sure flocks of illegals would start taking advantage of this, it would still come at the expense of the American taxpayer and I am unwilling to foot the bill for someone to come here illegally, get an education, and get a free pass.

Martin the Calvinist

December 9th, 2010
8:00 am

BTW Cynthia, I’m about as conservative as it comes who supports the shrinkage of our federal government by 60%. We can’t sustain that kind of spending and remain a free nation. You shouldn’t paint everyone with such a broad brush.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
8:01 am

“For those reasons, the DREAM Act is probably doomed in the Senate, where Republicans have pledged to block votes on everything else until they get the extension of tax cuts for the rich.”
____

I thought Obama had already caved on tax cuts, even though I know how much it galls you, CT, to think of people being allowed to keep more of their own money. If that’s the case, then your last line doesn’t really hold water, unless you just needed another way to blame the GOP.

Finn McCool

December 9th, 2010
8:01 am

It is much harder to pay someone a subsistence or below-subsistence wage if they obtain citizenship so of course the wealthy and business owners don’t want this. They want to keep the pool of available low wage workers as large as possible. The Dream Act would affect their bottom line.

It’s business, it’s not personal.

Finn McCool

December 9th, 2010
8:04 am

What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

And of course your immigrating ancestors gained US citizenship BEFORE they ever stepped foot inside US borders, correct? They didn’t arrive here first and THEN obtain citizenship?

andygrdzki

December 9th, 2010
8:05 am

CONVERSELY…..

Immigration Center Estimates DREAM Act Tab at $6.2 Billion

A new report from the Center for Immigration Studies predicts that the so-called DREAM Act Congress is considering to provide the so-called “road to citizenship” for illegal immigrants could cost U.S. taxpayers $6.2 billion, partly because most of the immigrants who would take advantage of it would attend state universities and community colleges. The Washington, D.C.-based think tank’s report estimates that number at 1.03 million, and it describes the figure as conservative.

“Given the low income of illegal immigrants, most can be expected to attend state schools, with a cost to taxpayers in the billions of dollars,” says the report, which center research director Steven A. Camarota wrote. “As both funds and slots are limited at state universities and community colleges, the act may reduce the educational opportunities available to U.S. citizens.”

Noting that the DREAM Act would not provide funding to states and counties to cover the costs it imposes, the report says, “Since enrollment and funding are limited at public institutions, the act’s passage will require some combination of tuition increases, tax increases to expand enrollment or a reduction in spaces available for American citizens at these schools.”

DREAM Act advocates contend it will increase tax revenue significantly, a claim the report rebuts.

Some opponents, such as U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, also contend that, if enacted, the act would allow the students to sponsor their relatives as citizens, unleashing a flood of thousands of immigrants.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
8:06 am

Finn McCool

If they obtain citizenship like my ancestors did, that would be fine.

That’s not what this is.

JohnnyReb

December 9th, 2010
8:06 am

The House vote on DREAM was nothing more than partisan politics. Nancy knew the bill would be DOA in the Senate. Now, Ms Tucker and the hard Left can vilify Republicans, which by the way, the Repubs have the majority of Americans on their side on immigration.

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:07 am

Union

YOU have established a cost, from 2004, can you also establish the benefit and give us a NET number?

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:09 am

JohnnyReb

Actually 70% of Americans support the DREAM Act…..

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
8:09 am

granny

No one is saying that they can’t go to school. I just don’t want to pay for it.

dougmo2

December 9th, 2010
8:10 am

Tn Gelding @ 7:56

There is a National Forest on the Arizona-Mexico border that is so dangerous that instead of sending sending more Border Patrol agents to clear it out, the government posted signs telling people not to go in. So please explain how our fearless leader is doing more again?

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:12 am

What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

What part of stupid law do YOU not understand?

dougmo2

December 9th, 2010
8:12 am

BTW-The Dream Act is amnesty period
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it will never be a chicken.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
8:14 am

Granny -
I was merely being facetious with the earlier “illegal” comment. That said, I note that one of the provisions of this act is that a potential DREAMer must be of “good moral character.” Who makes that decision? What is the criteria for “good moral character?”

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:15 am

NIF

I don’t want to pay for airports anymore, or the war in Afghanistan, or
subsidies to companies that outsource jobs….

We don’t always get what we want.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
8:16 am

And the body count begins:
The Taliban, a radical Islamic militia in Afghanistan, announced its gratitude to Wikileaks for the release and vowed to hunt down those revealed in the documents to be collaborating with the U.S. It appears that they have now made good on that threat.

Khalifa Abdullah, a tribal elder, was removed from his home in Monar village, in Kandahar province’s embattled Arghandab district, by gunmen. He was then executed.

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:17 am

Good Grief

I guess the same folks who make that choice about Supreme Court judges….Section 1 of Article III states that judges of Article III courts shall hold their offices “during good behavior.”

That would be me and you – American people.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
8:17 am

granny

- -We don’t always get what we want.- -

I did.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
8:23 am

Granny – Just for clarity’s sake, how exactly do we hold unelected, appointed-for-life judge accountable to “good behavior?”

quod erat demonstrandum

December 9th, 2010
8:26 am

Hmm – patriotic and illegal – doesn’t seem to go together.

Re: To attend college – why is there no degree or class load requirement?
Re: Military service – If the guy next to you has loyalties to a different country – would you think twice?

I don’t mind them service this nation, but it should be on an individual basis on whether they can become citizens or not.

Heck – I question the loyalties of most the progressives and lefties too. I do think Hugo would welcome them, but I wouldn’t.

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:27 am

Good Grief

Based on Scalia and Thomas……we really don’t do we?

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:28 am

qed

Great! Now I don’t feel so bad calling you a facist.

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:28 am

NIF

Nope.

Remember 2008?

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:29 am

y’all play nice today…

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
8:30 am

Granny – nice deflection! I love how when you ask a question you demand hard proof and numbers, but when a question is asked of you, you merely deflect and move. Excellent execution of the liberal playbook. I’m so proud of you.

quod erat demonstrandum

December 9th, 2010
8:30 am

Granny,

i am not where near being leftist enough for that – Facist were total lefties.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
8:33 am

Give us REAL immigration reform and we will LISTEN!

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:34 am

GG

Thanks

It was a POINTED defelection.

QED

Mafor piffle – big stinking piffle

Now I really do have tons of stuff to do….

Bob

December 9th, 2010
8:34 am

Finn 8:04, Thats a “mute” point. Many did receive their papers prior to arrival. And many had to show that they would not be a drag on society prior to being admitted into the country.

JohnnyReb

December 9th, 2010
8:34 am

Granny – that 70% figure you site must be from a poll taken in Berkley.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
8:35 am

granny

Maybe, but it has turned out OK. Sometimes the American public needs to be reminded about what progressives stand for. We were reminded in 92 and we have been reminded for the past two years. The last reminder put Republicans in charge for 18 years and they didn’t even ruin the economy.

I don’t know how old you are, but you or I may never see Democrats in charge of our government again during our lifetime.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
8:35 am

Its always wrong to pass legislation that has loosely stated language, for it opens the floodgates for certain opportunistic individuals to attempt to bypass the law.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
8:36 am

QED – Regarding granny’s 8:34 comment: I love it when leftists try to say that facists were not to the left of the political spectrum.

Bob

December 9th, 2010
8:36 am

Cynthia, speaking of bad treatment, why does a gay have to be worried about being abused by gov in such a progressive city ? Or were those tea party people in police uniforms bashing heads at the Eagle ?

quod erat demonstrandum

December 9th, 2010
8:39 am

Good Grief,

how true – btw, i think Granny and CT are the same – both have nutty notions of what this country should and could be.

quod erat demonstrandum

December 9th, 2010
8:44 am

Bob,

Spoken like a true whiny liberal.

TnGelding

December 9th, 2010
8:45 am

Union

December 9th, 2010
7:57 am

Ain’t that the truth! Why do they have to make everything so complicated?

ctucker

December 9th, 2010
8:52 am

Martin Luth, ah, the Calvinist@7:57, So glad Boortz brought you aboard.

always right

December 9th, 2010
8:53 am

The AJC should change this article to “Cynthia lies and people believe her because they are too dumb to investigate themselves”. Always remember nobody ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the average American.

GA WA Man

December 9th, 2010
8:54 am

Illegal is still illegal regardless of what Christmas wrapping you put on it.

Atlanta1

December 9th, 2010
8:54 am

And you were doing so well…

“But the GOP isn’t interested in proving its sense of duty to everyone. It only wants to satisfy its rich backers (witness its fealty to keeping tax cuts for the rich) and throw a few crumbs to its narrow-minded base. For those reasons, the DREAM Act is probably doomed in the Senate, where Republicans have pledged to block votes on everything else until they get the extension of tax cuts for the rich.”

Have you ever thought that perhaps, just perhaps that you are just as narrow minded?

I do agree that this is a big mistake. That these kids did not make the decision to be brought here; that they have made the best of it, that it is all they know. In other words, it is the country that they grew up in and can be big contributors to. There are fairness issues here, but you ‘weigh’ everything and in this case, allowing these kids a path to citzenship is the right thing to do.

Call it like it is

December 9th, 2010
8:55 am

Dream act is beyond silly. 2 years of college which for the most part are run by far left wing radicals. Yes I’m sure they will hold their feet to the fire on their studies. And of course they will be there with tax payer money for student loans. How about 6 years of being in the army and while in there they can take classes that will be overseen by our military. If they fail in any capacity its back to where they came from.

realtalk

December 9th, 2010
8:56 am

Granny and Cynthia are the same! Both have empty headed arguments are both anti Freedom. What a joke. I suggest to both of you or one, if you don’ like it, then move to Cuba. You’ll love it doen there!

Old Boy

December 9th, 2010
8:57 am

CT, I generally disagree with you idealogically, but I agree that this is partisan politics at its worst. I am all for us providing citizenship for immigrants who prove to be hard workers that can make productive citizens. Newsflash, they are already here working and getting benefits; we might as well get them citizenship so that we can tax them.
My only concern is whether this is needed. For immigrants (illegal or not) who serve for 2 years in the military, the path to citizenship is pretty easy. Especially if they are deployed (which most are within two years).

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
8:58 am

These kids may not have made the decision to come here, but at some point they came to the realization that they were here illegally. Or are we claiming that people like Jessica Colotl (spelling?) had no clue that she was in this country illegally?

If you know you are committing a crime, and you do nothing to change your behavior, then I can’t see how you meet the “good moral character” clause of the DREAM act. Or am I missing the big picture?

lmno

December 9th, 2010
9:01 am

They just want to be here.

Blue

December 9th, 2010
9:02 am

I dare you to write one article that does not say “tax cuts for the rich”. One trick pony…

Rob

December 9th, 2010
9:04 am

“Republicans have pledged to block votes on everything else until they get the extension of tax cuts for the rich. ”

Which your Messiah, Mr. Obama, supports.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 9th, 2010
9:09 am

Good morning all. I write as one who favors open borders. I oppose the DREAM Act because it is being sold under false pretenses.

(1) The fundamental deception is conjoining the merits of conferring citizenship on immigrants who honorably serve in the military and those who lay around a frat house long enough to get a degree in Spanish.

Military service proves a desire to make American a better place. Obtaining a college degree proves nothing more than a desire to make more money with less work; while that may be a common characteristic of “Americanism,” is not a particularly noble trait.

(2) The “military service” component of the DREAM Act is redundant – that power already exists at law:

usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/milcitizens.htm
Jan 29 2008
Members and certain veterans of the U.S. Armed Forces are eligible to apply for United States citizenship under special provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). In addition, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has streamlined the application and naturalization process for military personnel serving on active-duty or recently discharged. Generally, qualifying service is in one of the following branches: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, certain reserve components of the National Guard and the Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve.

Qualifications

A member of the U.S. Armed Forces must meet certain requirements and qualifications to become a citizen of the United States. This includes demonstrating:

Good moral character

Knowledge of the English language;

Knowledge of U.S. government and history (civics);

and Attachment to the United States by taking an Oath of Allegiance to the U.S. Constitution.

Qualified members of the U.S. Armed Forces are exempt from other naturalization requirements, including residency and physical presence in the United States. These exceptions are listed in Sections 328 and 329 of the INA.

More likely, the proposal is intended to divert attention from the poor stewardship of the US economy over the past two years – an unworthy, if likely true, motivation for the legislation.

rightwingextreme

December 9th, 2010
9:11 am

CT, there is a path to citizenship….its called the naturalization process. These folks need to get in line like all other immigrants have and become citizens….if that is their goal.

All the NIGHTMARE/DREAM act does is give amnesty and by default, new voters for the dimocrats. And they are going to need them as the dims are going to get it handed to them in 2012 and they know it.

Road Scholar

December 9th, 2010
9:11 am

After both sides screw up the tax cuts and SS, they need to approve the Salt treaty. I can’t believe the repubs want to wait until net session for Salt, esp since so many inexperienced legislators …from both sides… are coming into the House and Senate. I bet these new legislators are all up to date on our nuclear capability and strategy! Then I’ll give the Repub house 6 months to draft a composite immigration bill, not a piecemeal attempt to plug one hole. And no kicking the can down the street!

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you......

December 9th, 2010
9:14 am

GOP turns its back on illegal immigrants…

THANK YOU GOP for finally standing up for the LAWS in this country!!!!

Momma was Right!

December 9th, 2010
9:15 am

boo boo hoo hoo I support the bill!!! CRY BABIES!!!

Momma was Right!

December 9th, 2010
9:15 am

Enter your comments here

Mexisotan

December 9th, 2010
9:16 am

A couple things missed here… How are illegals getting into the military? or colleges? CT – you might be the worst lib-hack in the country; your subjective left-wing rants are so straightforward, and selective they read like an ninth-grade debate presentation. Your attempt to turn illegal immigration into an issue of right-wing “nativism” is an unfunny joke; missing is any mention of the real fiscal, social or administrative considerations for this Act making this anything but a responsible, balanced or well-rounded article; and no, “join the ranks of patriotic and productive Americans” (are you kidding?) doesn’t count. Here’s an idea for your next home-work assignment, CT: “The Bailout: what $700 billion buyers-remorse feels like”.

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you......

December 9th, 2010
9:16 am

Momma you support the bill? Gee we find that hard to believe……..sigh….yet another uneducated socialists in Atlanta……

Logic 05

December 9th, 2010
9:17 am

Cynthia Turns Back on Logic and Common Sense.

Why reward people that came to USA ILLEGALLY?

Momma was Right!

December 9th, 2010
9:19 am

Check your backgrounds cry babies!!! are you an AMERICAN INDIAN!

panola

December 9th, 2010
9:20 am

If this Nightmare Act is approved there will be 2 million less American kids going to college over the next several years because the democrats want to give those slots to illegal aliens.

However we American citizens do get one thing out of it… the bill. Yup the democrats want the American taxpayer to subsidize their education while cheating our American kids.

The Nightmare Act has no cap, no end-date and no enforcement. It’s simply a “mass ongoing amnesty”. In the future any foreign family with a school age child can sneak in the country and enroll their child in school to obtain automatic citizenship.

Why do democrats hate American kids so much???

Join NumbersUSA.com to call/fax your Senators this morning.

StJ

December 9th, 2010
9:20 am

“The DREAM Act is no massive plan for “amnesty;”

No, it’s not a “massive” plan. It’s just the plan to crack the door open for other piecemeal “amnesty” bills later. The rationale then would be “we gave group X amnesty via the DREAM act, why not group Y now?”

“They would be eligible for citizenship only if they served in the military for two years or finished two years of college.”

Two years is not enough. They should be required to pass the test given to legal immigrants requesting citizenship, and serve at least four years in the military or earn a four-year degree.

James

December 9th, 2010
9:21 am

granny- i challenge your challenge of the number. what a joke. The AJC itself reported that the Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates that illegal immigration costs federal and local taxpayers 113 billion per annum

granny/CT- you biatch when the cbo is used against you. you can’t have it both ways. the cbo is a bunch of excel doers. you tell them the inputs- they spit out the data. without looking at the cbo study i can bet a diet coke that it was simply based on increased tax revenue and was not full cost absorption.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 9th, 2010
9:22 am

Dear Mexicostan @ 9:16, citizenship has never been a requirement to serve in the US military, going back to the time before there was a US government.

David

December 9th, 2010
9:23 am

“patriotic and productive illegal immigrants” those are Ms. Tuckers words. My question is how do you know that they are patriotic if they are illegal? My opposition to the dream act is the same as many, many others. The issues and problems of illegal immigration are not solved with this bill. There are also major flaws in this bill. Tell you what if you want me to be more supportive of this bill how about the option be. If your parents brought you to this country as a child, and you are under the age of 25, you can join the military for 5 years. At the end you will be granted citizenship. You do not get an automatic bid for going to college. However for Ms. Tucker and those like her that can’t see past their own issues and self-importance I am not willing to see things there way so I am a racist. Which is really her whole point and nothing else.

Abolish HHS

December 9th, 2010
9:24 am

If you want smart students, allow free immigration from China of the best and brightest, not stupid people from south of the Rio Grand ditch.

el jefe

December 9th, 2010
9:24 am

gop bigotry on display, nothing new here, please move along…..

Owl

December 9th, 2010
9:24 am

Great article explaining exactly why the losses were so significant in November.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
9:25 am

C Tucker

As I have said so many times in the past:

Sounds like a really good reason to start a foundation to send illegals to college.

With all the liberals that want this, I’m sure the donations will start to just pour in.

After all look at all the liberal organizations that there are that help people . . . no wait. Those are mostly churches and conservatives organizations.

THIS COULD BE THE FIRST liberal organization that helps people. You could be a trend setter!!!

I’m sure liberals are very generous with their own money. They have just been holding back.

Alpha23

December 9th, 2010
9:26 am

OK, if these people have such good moral character, why haven’t they applied for ‘LEGAL’ citizenship? You liberal dems look no farther than the nearest vote! Deport all illegal’s, no matter where they came from!! And for all you liberals that want to go all the way back to 1492 to determine citizenship……give up that lame argument!! It just shows your stupidity!!

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
9:26 am

Yall do know a loan means you have to pay it back right. Kinda off putting to say taxpayers are subsidizing education via student loan.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
9:27 am

el jefe

Weren’t you the one that was saying that Christians were excrement?

You should certainly know bigotry when you see it.

Kamchak's gerbil

December 9th, 2010
9:28 am

This act is a great way to increase the democratic party.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
9:28 am

Some People are stupid

Would you contribute to a foundation that supports illegals’ education?

Would you spend your own money?

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
9:28 am

Nothing is Free-
Can church’s not be liberal?
What’s a conservative organization?
Doesn’t the UNCF help people?

Alpha23

December 9th, 2010
9:28 am

el jefe…….I guess anyone that doesn’t agree with you is a bigot!! Then I’m a bigot, because I believe the laws of the U.S. aren’t being upheld!! But your little liberal democratic buddies aren’t going to be able to help you out this time!!! Hasta la vista, baby!!!

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
9:30 am

Nothing is Free-

If you are asking me if I would contribute to the Mexican College Fund so people could illegally cross the borders and go to college, no.

Really not sure what you are asking though.

Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate

December 9th, 2010
9:30 am

GOP turns its back on patriotic and productive illegal CRIMINALS…….there, fixed your typo Cindy, you’re welcome

Tim Tysver

December 9th, 2010
9:31 am

Cynthia,
How do we confirm how long the child has been here illegally? Ask the parents who illegally brought their children to the United States? There is a legal way for everyone to become a citizen of this great country. Why is it expecting to much to ask people to follow the rules and laws of this country.

Van Jones

December 9th, 2010
9:31 am

So, you’ve been living in my backyard for several years and haven’t really done anything else too criminal. Buh-bye!

Union

December 9th, 2010
9:31 am

gg.. net numbers… really? it would do no good as you have guzzled the kool aid provided to by your elected officials. lets take a look at an inverse item as it might more easily make my point.. show me a govt program of significant proportion that actually remained under the projected budget and delivered as it was proposed. The cbo has changed its numbers many times on the healthcare bill already..

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
9:33 am

Some People are stupid

- -Really not sure what you are asking though.- -

I’m saying that if this is such a great idea, then support it with your own money.

Personally, I would rather donate to an American kid’s education.

BTW, UNICEF members were found to be raping young girls in The Congo two years ago.

Harry Callahan

December 9th, 2010
9:34 am

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
9:26 am

“Yall do know a loan means you have to pay it back right. Kinda off putting to say taxpayers are subsidizing education via student loan.”

Some People, if you don’t think student loans are a subsidy, I’m sure you won’t mind lending me $50,000 at 1% interest and giving me 50 years to pay it back. When can I come pick up my $50 grand?

BlahBlahBlah

December 9th, 2010
9:34 am

I support the general idea of DREAM. But 15 years old is too high a cutoff point. Someone who spends their first 15 years of life in another country, then spends 5 years in America illegally, should not qualify. Furthermore, 2 years of community college isn’t enough to qualify.

Lower the age cutoff, and make it a 4 year degree.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
9:34 am

Nothing is Free-

Not UNicef, UNCF,
Technically, since I pay taxes I am supporting it with my own money.

Chris D.

December 9th, 2010
9:34 am

ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL! How hard it is to understand?

state

December 9th, 2010
9:36 am

Harry Callahan

December 9th, 2010
9:36 am

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
8:12 am

“What part of stupid law do YOU not understand?”

Hey granny, social security is a stupid law. Can I quit paying into it?

Mexisotan

December 9th, 2010
9:38 am

Ragnar:
Sure… but they do have to demonstrate they are permanent residents via a permanent residency card (with enough residency to complete their enlistment). I question how many illegal aliens are carrying permanent residency cards. One of the things not addressed in the blog entry (I mistakenly called it an “article” earlier, it is not). The blog entry is an attack on all things GOP under the thin veil of illegal immigration.

Steve

December 9th, 2010
9:38 am

Knowingly break the law for years and you will be rewarded…great logic Cynthia…did that Pulitzer fall off your mantle and hit you in the head?

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
9:39 am

Some People are stupid

- -Technically, since I pay taxes I am supporting it with my own money.- -

So do you think that people should have a choice whether or not they support an issue?

(BTW, Sorry you are getting pounded here, but the rest of the liberals that haunt this place usually don’t show up until the crack of noon. Every morning it’s usually you and granny and a whole bunch of conservatives)

Contractor

December 9th, 2010
9:39 am

Well, this past election put new people in political office for a reason. It finally seems to show that the American voice was heard, and is not being implemented into American society. They want to be a part of this country, have them fill out the proper paper work, pass the test, and welcome new citizens. And hey, here is a work visa so you can stay while you file. Otherwise, hit the road jack, and don’t you come back no more, no more, no more, no more. Simple as that Tucker. Go ahead and throw your road blocks up with the process of becoming a citizen, but millions have done it before, and millions will continue to do it, so it is not impossible to do things in this country the right way, as they were intended to be done.

Harry Callahan

December 9th, 2010
9:39 am

I wonder how illegal aliens get treated in the neighborhoods where people like the Kennedys live.

Union

December 9th, 2010
9:39 am

Nothing Is Free
December 9th, 2010
9:33 am

“BTW, UNICEF members were found to be raping young girls in The Congo two years ago.”

is unicef a spinoff of acorn or vice versa? :)

Cynthia "NEVER" gets it!!!!

December 9th, 2010
9:39 am

AS usual the AJC’s LIBERAL voice of the NON-PRODUCTIVE gets heard from!!! This time you are allowing “little Cindy” to try to tell us why ILLEGAL’S (no matter how long they have HID from authorities) should be allowed to remain in the country!

Now she thinks they should be allowed into our military service and to attend our colleges (on whose “DIME” does she think this comes from)…

BOTTOM LINE…

THESE ARE ILLEGALS who are in this country receiving everything from FREE mediacal care to food stamps on tax dollars coming out of OUR pockets! GET past the “POLITICAL CORRECTNESS CRAP” and call it like it is…these are ILLEGAL LAWBREAKERS and should be deported immediately!!!

I Dont Think So...

December 9th, 2010
9:39 am

Ragnar quotes usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/milcitizens.htm
“Qualifications

A member of the U.S. Armed Forces must meet certain requirements and qualifications to become a citizen of the United States. This includes demonstrating:

Good moral character

Knowledge of the English language;
[...]”

First off, I didn’t know “illegal” immigrants were eligible to serve in the armed forces. That’s a scary thought! My father gained citizenship in to this country from Canada in WW2 by serving in the military, but I think he had to apply for citizenship first.

If this law passes, and making assumptions most of the illegal immigrants are from south of the border, I would think they would the armed services would have to create bi-lingual branches and instructions on everything. Just like the government seems to have done to embrace the illegals that are already here.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
9:39 am

Harry Callahan-

Kinda leads me to believe that a. You haven’t been to college, or B) You haven’t taken out a student loan. Neither of which is bad by the way as many successful people have never attended college.

1. The interest now is 3.65
2. Interest rate is set by the same market conditions that influence mortgage rates…which are historically low.
3.I would love to hear how you subsidize an amount that I pay back with interest. Unless you get a subsidized loan(Stafford) they pay interest while in college. As far as I know, those are eligible to non citizens, that means they have to get unsubsidized loans, which they are responsible for since inception.
4. If I agree to give you a 50k loan at 1% interest, that’s not a subsidy, thats an agreed upon rate of return. If it’s low it my fault for agreeing to such a term. That’s not an example of a subsidy.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
9:40 am

Should read those are not*

Contractor

December 9th, 2010
9:40 am

Supposed to say “is now being implemented”, not “not being implemented”. Typo, sorry for that.

Aaron

December 9th, 2010
9:41 am

I do not support passing the DREAM Act. Welcome to the U.S., but for goodness sake, follow the laws. I have to ask how did we deal with immigration in the 1900’s? 1910’s? My great-grandparents fled from Europe in anticipation of the WWI and they were able to become U.S. citizens, raise a family here. What’s the big deal now?

Harry Callahan

December 9th, 2010
9:44 am

Some People, I did go to college, both undergrad and MBA, paid for it myself, no loans and pre-HOPE. 3.65% is below market for an unsecured loan. It’s a subsidy. Not even debateable.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
9:44 am

What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

Illegal is still illegal regardless of what Christmas wrapping you put on it.

ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL! How hard it is to understand?

And hiring IAs is illegal. You silly cons always leave that out.

Logic 05

December 9th, 2010
9:44 am

Why does anyone pay attention to granny?
Occasionally, she escapes from the nursing home and starts ranting with post that are void of logic.

Uhoh

December 9th, 2010
9:45 am

Just creates another loophole for illegals to crawl through.

JKL2

December 9th, 2010
9:46 am

I guess I’m having trouble getting past the “patriotic illegal immigrants” part. Do you mean patriotic to Mexico (or wherever they came from)?

Can we have the military start recruiting Al Qaeda members next?

Harry Callahan

December 9th, 2010
9:46 am

I’d support the DREAM act if it included language forcing the exclusive private schools the Obama kids attend to accept illegals. That way, their kids’ education can get bogged down by inclusion of non-english-speaking illegals as well.

Go ahead and include all the private schools where ALL the rich lib politicians enroll their kids.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
9:47 am

Union

I think it is all a spinoff of the DNC. LOL!!

I got a full day. I gotta get out of here.

Jack

December 9th, 2010
9:47 am

Them there mean old Republican rascals are certainly giving hand-wringing rights to the liberals. Petulance really doesn’t look good on grown folk.

Harry Callahan

December 9th, 2010
9:48 am

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
9:44 am

“And hiring IAs is illegal. You silly cons always leave that out.”

1) If they weren’t here, they couldn’t be hired.
2) Most conservatives support stiff penalties for hiring illegals

You silly libs always leave that part out.

wtf?

December 9th, 2010
9:48 am

CT – when was the last time you had an original thought?
I’d understand if you were in the house or senate and had some skin in the game, but how can you really be so passionate towards every single idea from the left and so against every idea from the right?
I’m affraid you are falling into the polarizing brainwashing of the current state of political news shows and blogs. if everyone would take a giant step back and realize these news programs are for entertainment purposes and Rush, Maddow, OReily, ect. are just highly paid entertainers.
I challenge you to look at issues for what they are, and not blindly follow the left or the right across the board, regardless of the issue.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
9:48 am

Kamchak – I say prosecute those that hire illegals. I’m all for it. Sorry I fell into the path of your broad brush so that you could label me as a “silly con.”

General Feeling

December 9th, 2010
9:49 am

Georgian said “Its always wrong to pass legislation that has loosely stated language, for it opens the floodgates for certain opportunistic individuals to attempt to bypass the law.”

Um, like the United States Constitution? Humans will always seek to use whatever loosley stated language to their own benefit. But I’d rather corporations and Wall Street be the abusers than polticians and governments.

Tommy Maddox

December 9th, 2010
9:50 am

I’m still trying to figure out why the Left turned their backs on average working pale faces [Kemosabi].

Harry Callahan

December 9th, 2010
9:50 am

Kamchak wants to allow illegals entry to the U.S., but doesn’t want them to be hired, but does want them to be able to vote and go to school and drive a car. Truly, Kamchak is an enlightened liberal.

Harry Callahan

December 9th, 2010
9:51 am

Any gamblers on the blog this morning? what’s the over/under on how long before Kamchak uses the term “leghumper”?

BeeJay

December 9th, 2010
9:52 am

If these illegal immigrants were “patriotic” and productive, they wouldn’t be illegal immigrants. I say Pooh on any concessions to ILLEGAL immigrants. Why should they get special favors? Why is their lawlessness overlooked?

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
9:53 am

Aaron

December 9th, 2010
9:55 am

This forum is apparently for entertainment purposes only as well.

John

December 9th, 2010
9:57 am

1. Where’s my incentive to work? The Dems will hand money to me.

2. Where’s my incentive to save? The Dems will hand money to me.

3. Where’s my incentive to buy health insurance? I can go to Grady’s emergency room and the Dems will pay for it.

4. Where’s my incentive to study hard and make good grades so I can get into a good college? The Dems will see to it that I can get in anywhere as the result of afformative acrtion. Oh, wait a minute. I forgot that I’m a white maile. In Amertica in 2010 I don’t qualify. Damn good thing we’ve become a color blind society that where Dr. King’s quality of character is the rule of the lend, eh CT?

5. Where’s my incentive to abide by the laws and rules of the land? The Dems will fight to keep me here so I will vote for them. This is so transparent.

That’s some country you want, CT. I strongly suggest you move to France.

GT/MIT

December 9th, 2010
9:57 am

I don’t recall once in my 75 years ever reading such unmitigated rubbish on one printed page. Tuckers fingers should be ashamed for typing such bogus malarkey. If memory serves me right, I believe there are in place a number of “LEGAL” means by which one desiring to emigrate to our great country can do so. She may not be aware of them however, they’ve only been on the books for, oh something over one hundred years.

Of course in her mindless way she must find a goat on which to hang blame for the american peoples total rejection of her hypothesis. Who better than the hated Republicans?. No one, so its their fault, notwithstanding the fact that the Democrats hold a controlling majority in both houses of of this lame congress, add duck if you feel it would be appropriate.

Somewhere in that, ahem article, she says,”they would join the ranks of patriotic and productive Americans”. I doubt that ms. Tucker can speak for that particular group of Americans.

I going to try to exit this forum without getting any of this Pulitzer Prise winning stuff on my shoes..

JKL2

December 9th, 2010
9:58 am

I don’t think so- First off, I didn’t know “illegal” immigrants were eligible to serve in the armed forces

They’re not. You don’t have to be a citizen (You won’t get anything requiring a security clearance) but you do have to have an INS 551(green card)

JKL2

December 9th, 2010
10:00 am

Can I point out the simple fact that the military is one job we have more than enough able bodied Americans trying to fill. Unlike most things in the news, this would clearly be a case of illegals taking jobs away from Americans.

Rafe Hollister

December 9th, 2010
10:00 am

I am suppossed to be happy to subsidize “ILLEGAL” residents college tuition and the legalization of all their relatives, who will immediately qualify for welfare and food stamps, while my underemployed son struggles with thousands of dollars of student loans, he will probably never be able to pay for unless he gets a better job. Don’t think so!

If we are going to borrow the money to support all these nice illegals, lets borrow enough to give AMNESTY on all student loans and a guaranteed job for everyone who wants one. We have a right to healthcare the left tells us, what about a right to a job and debt free education.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
10:01 am

Kamchak – I say prosecute those that hire illegals. I’m all for it. Sorry I fell into the path of your broad brush so that you could label me as a “silly con.”

Then why did you say so in the first place?

You silly cons are quick to play the “what part of illegal don’t you understand card,” but it is only after someone comes along and plays the “hiring IAs is also illegal” card that you you say, “I say prosecute those that hire illegals.”

You guys are entirely too predictable.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1) If they weren’t here, they couldn’t be hiredcouldn’t be hired, they wouldn’t come here in the first place.
2) Most Very few conservatives support stiff penalties for hiring illegals

Fixed your typos.

Capitol Avenue Cal

December 9th, 2010
10:02 am

The operative word here, Ms. Ticker, is “illegal.” What about that do you not understand?

Reality

December 9th, 2010
10:03 am

Tucker is clueless, just like DC liberals.

mike

December 9th, 2010
10:03 am

Granny, a good friend of mine just retired from CBO after 30 years; he’d be the first to tell you that they never hit an estimated target, rarely even close – reducing deficit by 1.4B is preposterous. The DREAM act will only increase deficit by “legitimizing” many more dependents.

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
10:04 am

@Some…

“Yall do know a loan means you have to pay it back right. Kinda off putting to say taxpayers are subsidizing education via student loan.”

Yea, and the default rate on student loans is pretty steep….and thats on American Citizens. What about illegals who borrow 50 – 100K, and then go back to their country of origin. How do you garnishee their wages, take their tax refunds, etc and all the other tools available against an American defaulter?

Abolish HHS

December 9th, 2010
10:05 am

I demand WAR with Mexico over their invasion of America! ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK – Let there be no survivors!

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
10:06 am

Truth on whats wrong with the DREAM Act, courtesy of: AOL News.

(Dec. 8) — As soon as today, the Senate may vote on the DREAM Act. This law would, according to backers, offer people brought into the U.S. illegally as children and who graduated from high school a better chance of making a life here.

It’s a noble goal, but passage is a long shot.

It isn’t just a problem with timing. While the legislation addresses the compelling plight of the illegal immigrant high school graduate, it suffers major flaws that make it patently unfair.

Here are several big flaws.

It discriminates against children of legal immigrants. Under the law, for example, high school graduates under age 30 who were brought to the country illegally before age 16 would have access to in-state tuition, publicly funded student loans and a green card. But foreign-born high school graduates in those same age groups who were brought into the country legally wouldn’t quality for these invaluable benefits. The DREAM Act benefits illegal immigrants only.

Likewise, these illegal immigrants would only need to serve in the military for two years to expedite citizenship. Legal immigrants have to put their life on the line for three years before getting that benefit. That’s a difference that’s not just unfair, but potentially deadly.

By favoring millions of illegal immigrants over legal ones, the DREAM Act surely will encourage more young foreign nationals to enter and/or stay in the U.S. illegally. While the bill is limited only to those currently in the country, it’s highly likely that once granted, the “dream” will be extended to future young illegal immigrants who graduate from an American high school “or its equivalent.” With such benefits, why come in legally?

The age range is too broad. Because of the generous qualifying age range of before 16 and up to 30 years old, an estimated 2 million adult illegal immigrants would qualify immediately for green cards under the DREAM Act, according to the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute — twice as many as normally are given out in a single year. Opponents call this unacceptable “sneak amnesty.”

Some proponents also recognize this to be extreme and, last week, the upper age limit was reduced to 30 from 35 years old. But some argue that the upper range should be reduced to 24, while the lower age limit should be set at 10 or even 8 years old. That would better reflect the goal of the act to benefit students who’ve only known the U.S. as home.

It’s being falsely marketed. Backers say the DREAM Act is the only way for illegal immigrant high school graduates to go to college. The fact is, they already can attend many highly tolerant colleges throughout the country. “We don’t ask students about their immigration status. If they’ve graduated from high school and qualify academically, they’re admitted,” Charles B. Reed, chancellor of the California State University system, told me in June. The California Supreme Court ruled in favor of his position in November.

To be sure, the DREAM Act does fulfill one dream — the dream of colleges and universities for more Hispanic students. Last winter the powerful Hispanic Association of College and Universities urged passage of the act, saying that it not only would send a positive message to Latinos, but would also help colleges qualify for a new $1 billion U.S. Department of Education fund aimed exclusively at Hispanic-serving institutions.

To apply, colleges need to document that 25 percent of their students are Hispanic. The DREAM Act would be a rich source of such students.

There are many compelling reasons why any immigrant who was brought into the country as a very young child and goes on to complete high school, college or serve in the armed forces with a clean record should be allowed to apply for permanent legal status.

The DREAM Act can be fixed to benefit this more limited population. But that would require lawmakers to be brutally honest about the law’s real purpose. It’s about obtaining a permanent legal residency work permit (a green card). After all, what is the use of attending an expensive U.S. college if you don’t have the right to stay and work, if you can be deported at any time?

Of course, looking at the DREAM Act as a work-permit bill makes it much more difficult to pass during a recession with at least 10 percent of American workers unemployed or underemployed. It’s much easier to pitch it as fulfilling the dreams of wonderful young immigrants who are in the country illegally to go to college.

This spin is the DREAM Act’s biggest problem and why it probably won’t become law.

zeke

December 9th, 2010
10:07 am

THE DREAM ACT? HERE IS THE DREAM ACT! ALL ILLEGAL CRIMINALS AND THEIR ILLEGAL CRUMB SNATCHERS ARE ARRESTED, DEPORTED, NO CHANCE EVER OF COMING BACK OR BECOMING CITIZENS! ABLE BODIED WELFARE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT MANDATED SOCIALIST REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH RECIPIENTS ARE REQUIRED TO WORK AT ANY JOB AVAILABLE TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THOSE TAXPAYER FUNDED GIVEAWAYS! FINALLY, ALL LIBERAL, LEFT WING COMMIE SOCIALISTS LIKE YOU C.T., ARE BANNED FROM VOTING OR SPOUTING YOUR VILE ANTI AMERICAN FILTH ANYWHERE!!!!!!

Scott

December 9th, 2010
10:09 am

I guess it was a good try by attaching the name DREAM. Thing was DOA, another waste of time.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
10:10 am

Kamchak – My bad. I forgot that liberals can say whatever they want, but if a conservative makes a statement they must list every possible caveat, amendment, and/or article supporting/opposing their point of view.

George W

December 9th, 2010
10:11 am

Does the word “illegal” mean anything to you at all?

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
10:11 am

hey Kam….

And hiring IAs is illegal. You silly cons always leave that out.

Since you liberals scream about that so much, did you see the article in yesterdays AJC where the Supreme Court is taking up that issue? Nevada has a law on the books criminalizing hiring illegals, and has had one for 3 years. They are trying to enforce the law, and the Obama Justice Dept sued them over it. The 9th circuit (as you will know is the most liberal circuit) upheld the Nevada law to revoke business licenses, fine, and imprison owners who knowingly hire illegals. The Justice Dept has appealed. The Supreme Court agreed yesterday to hear the case. So your argument does not hold water…(and I wonder why the mainstream press hasnt reported this case in the last year while we were all arguing this very point….makes you kinda go….hhhmmmmmmm.)

Kamchak's gerbil

December 9th, 2010
10:12 am

Kamy – you seem to be angry today – I promise I’ll clip my nails.

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
10:12 am

STUPID! IMMORAL! UNCOMPASSIONITE!

I know THEY don’t understand any of that.

George W

December 9th, 2010
10:13 am

The senate is actually opposing the Dream Act….Who has the majority there? Oh yeah the Dems!

Reisertiel

December 9th, 2010
10:14 am

Hi everyone. Parents brought me here when i was 14, i’m a high school graduate, and after high school i tried to enlist in the USMC but as you know it wasn’t possible. like someone said on the comments, this whole thing about the DREAM act resurfacing again is likely to be merely a politics guerilla-type tactic against republicans, but then again it may not and i want to thank everyone that truly is advocating this. It is not a good feeling to come to a country at a young age, learn to love the system you live in, to the extent of being ready to join the nations armed forces where you could lose your life especially now with the war, then realize you are not part of it all. This DREAM act would benefit an specifically targeted audience. As far as it being an Amnesty…i think yes, it is, but it would benefit good subjects keep that in mind. As far as it being too “Vague” based on the fact that beneficiaries have to prove they are of “good moral character” no one has the authority to rule on what is good moral character, but to understand the government’s idea of “good moral character” that wold be used to qualify subjects, you have to see that they will determine whether a person is of “good moral character” by making sure they are not part of a list of illegal criminal offenses( i.e. Sexual offenses, racketeering, gambling, polygamy, habitual drinking, terrorism etc, you can find the list on the interwebz, just google it) rather than coming up with a list of the good qualities or traits of the person in question( i.e. education-oriented, productive, military material)….thus, the act is not vague at all, it will benefit people who:

-Have not engaged in certain criminal acts(other than entering this coutry illegaly and unwillingly)
-Are Education-oriented.
-Wiling to join the military.

Now, about this new wave of young people that are going to join the nation’s educational institutions, i don’t see why they have to be a burden on the taxpayer at all. Let’s be realistic here, we are talking about energetic young folk who have dreams and want to do something in life not people who are planning of sitting on their lawn-chairs leeching on the system once they are part of the system. in the event of getting in this train, i assure you, they will pay taxes, and they will fund their education if they can or they will join the military. to make it more realistic, they should halt the ability of the children to be able to legalize their parents, in my opinion. like someone said though, for the people opposing the bill, it is politics, and politics as some of you may know is a business nothing personal here. but for me it’s more than personal, it is freedom, bread and life. i truly believe that only good can come out of this.

Suckers

December 9th, 2010
10:15 am

The city of Sandy Springs recently declared its first slum. As a resident, it took about .2 seconds to guess that they were referring to the Mexiblock just south of Roswell Road and 285.

Jane

December 9th, 2010
10:16 am

This the Mariel boat lift repeated. Carter said he would take in Cuban, and Castro opened the jails. Obama wants to provide amnesty and free college to Mexicans, and the poor of drug war torn Mexico go north.

win

December 9th, 2010
10:16 am

The CBO says it will increase the defict by more then billion in the ten years starting 2020.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
10:18 am

How can an ILLEGAL be patriotic and productive?

spectator

December 9th, 2010
10:18 am

Democrats continue to desperately yearn for amnesty for all illegals who have slunk across our southern border. They may state what they consider to be “high-minded” reasons the U.S. should welcome these hordes but we all know the real reason…they see this as an opportunity to add more democrat “under-class” voters who are content to live off the largesse of liberal politicians in Washington.

George W

December 9th, 2010
10:22 am

Spectator…..Great point!

Toby

December 9th, 2010
10:23 am

Why do I think I’m a conservative when I never agree wth CT ?

George W

December 9th, 2010
10:23 am

Toby….because Cynthia is ALWAYS wrong!

moses

December 9th, 2010
10:24 am

All aboard the gop xenophobia short bus, next stop at the corner of bigotry blvd. and racism lane.

What a croc!

December 9th, 2010
10:25 am

Cynthia, you shoulda been a politician. You can certainly put a spin on anything! The program has nothing to do with good character, responsibility or anything except whether you finished high school. Period. And there will be NO WAY to track even that. Over 3 million illegals will get the college placements FREE on MY taxpayer dollars that our own American children cannot get. It will push out the American children because there are only a limited number of government loans available and that is dwindling daily. That means, entitlement given to illegals at the cost of Americans and their children. You are nuts, lady!

quid pro quo

December 9th, 2010
10:25 am

I have no problem with immigration. The problem I have is the ones that come here illegally. I have noticed that most liberals tend to drop illegal from the conversation when talking about illegal immigration.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
10:25 am

markie mark

There are laws on the books already. But when an influential Senator can call off a raid on illegals picking vidalia onions in the field, kinda makes any law that is enacted superfluous.

Think we've been over this

December 9th, 2010
10:27 am

The extension of “tax cuts for the rich” is about more than just the top tax bracket (you fail to mention the 2% reduction in FICA, which you always refer to as a dastardly “regressive” tax, etc.). It is also about actually having a set policy so that people/businesses can plan (like health care “reform”, businesses will not undertake projects when there is huge uncertainty around taxes). Time for Congress to actually do something and stick to it (if they want to raise taxes, let them raise taxes, just stop changing the rules of th game).
Narrow minded is a word better used to describe liberals/Progressives. If you disagree with them (and they can’t be wrong), you must be narrow minded, racist (Progressives have great history with race relations back to Woodrow Wilson), bigoted, uncaring, blah blah blah…

Equality 7-2521

December 9th, 2010
10:28 am

There is absolutely nothing “patriotic” about an illegal immigrant. Patriotism is doing the right thing for your own country, not creating a financial burden for another’s country.

We cannot afford to take care of our own citizens. We should not be justifying taking care of another nation’s citizens.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
10:28 am

moses – How is being against an illegal act xenophobic, bigoted, and racist? If you can explain that without using broad-brush tactics (as some other writers here employ) I might be tempted to give your point of view a try.

andygrdzki

December 9th, 2010
10:29 am

High level math for the Dems and Libs…

Cost of Dream Act $6.2 Billion
Revenue from Dream Act $2.3 Billion

Net loss to “Legal” Taxpayers = -$3.9 Billion…..

LOL..LOL..LOL….. Dems only show one side of the story……

Randy

December 9th, 2010
10:29 am

Cynthia with each passing column you show yourself to be more ignorant than the previous. I for one will be happy for the day you move to the Huffington Post where all the rest of the idiot so called columnists reside. Two things are all you ever write about, racism and hatred for all of the GOP. Get a life.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
10:30 am

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
10:25 am

“There are laws on the books already. But when an influential Senator can call off a raid on illegals picking vidalia onions in the field, kinda makes any law that is enacted superfluous.”

Kinda like when Barack Obama uses the full force and power of the federal government to keep Arizona from enforcing FEDERAL LAW by defending its own border, eh Kammy???

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
10:30 am

This shows only one thing, DEMS are desperate for votes. REPUBS stand pat and say, ya know what, we’re not gonna compromise what is best for this nation for some election.

Jimmy62

December 9th, 2010
10:32 am

Maybe you should call this column, “Democrats turn their backs on the law; now illegal is what the Democrats don’t like, and legal is what they do like.”

George W

December 9th, 2010
10:32 am

So what is Obama to do now? Both the Repubs and the Dems want him out!!!! Haha this is great!

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
10:32 am

Democrats continue to desperately yearn for amnesty for all illegals who have slunk across our southern border.

Ahhh yes, the amnesty poutrage.

Why wasn’t your thong all atwist 24 years ago?

Oh yeah, because it was St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun who was occupying the White House and signed the amnesty bill.

IOKIYAR

Halftrack

December 9th, 2010
10:33 am

CT; Why do Liberals always wants to contribute to the detriment of citizens. The Dream Act will kill the education opportunities of legal citizens and make amnesty for many others. If these are so deserving people; why can’t they sign up for citizenship and pay the price that other citizens do. Illegals should not be put in front of the line before legal citizens for taxpayer benefits. We could settle this argument IF the government would control the border as the Constitution requires.

George W

December 9th, 2010
10:34 am

Why do the Dems feel that we should be any different from any other country. There is no other country in the world that will allow someone to sneak into their country and then receive all of the rights that the legal citizens are afforded? It makes no sense.

James

December 9th, 2010
10:35 am

equality- spot on. We are truly enabling the corruption and idiocy of the Mexican leadership. (this can most likely be solve with a beer in the rose garden) It is insulting to the highly intelligent and hard working folks in Mexico.

CopyandPaste

December 9th, 2010
10:36 am

Illegal immigrants are not patriotic to this country. Otherwise, they could go through our existing LEGAL channels to be here. Send them home and let them go through the proper process. They should be placed at the back of the line behind their countrymen who are following our laws.

George W

December 9th, 2010
10:37 am

CopyandPaste….>AMEN

granny godzilla

December 9th, 2010
10:38 am

don’t use logic with me
i operate on emotion

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
10:41 am

Hey George W,

Why doesn’t Cynthia ever report on the ineffectiveness of her party the last 4 years they have controlled Congress and the 2 years they have controlled the Presidency and Congress?

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
10:42 am

Sorry Kam, but Obama’s Justice Dept and Eric Holder sue a state for upholding their laws, and its something you advocate while blaming the right for not doing this….then I stand by my statement that your argument does not hold water. I will understand if this is something else that Obama and the Holder Justice Department has done that disappoints you. But be honest enough to acknowledge its happening and thats a hell of a lot bigger story than one congressman.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
10:42 am

Ah, the namejacking abounds. I see Kamchak is arguing with himself and granny is admitting emotion is her basis for opinion. If only we were dealing with sane bloggers.

George W

December 9th, 2010
10:43 am

Georgian……it is called “blind faith”.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
10:43 am

Hey mystery meat with the first 10:30 comment—

That post would make more sense if you didn’t try to name-jack me.

What a maroon!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Abolish HHS

December 9th, 2010
10:43 am

Impeach Obama for failure to protect our borders with Mexico from this illegal invasion!

Rafe Hollister

December 9th, 2010
10:44 am

Kammie
I believe Reagan actually thought that his Amnesty would be the last. Looking back, how stupid were he and we to believe that. He never got the enforcement he wanted, as the Congress did not support that, and here we are again.

Something about fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, three times, somewhere along the line, we get it. NO MORE AMNESTY! Imprision employers that hire illegals, deport those here illegally that violate the law, put troops on the border, say no to this Nightmare act.

The Fallen

December 9th, 2010
10:44 am

Granny, 70% of americans support the Dream Act? Way off. Wrong. Sorry. In fact 54% of Americans oppose the Dream Act.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
10:46 am

Sorry Kam, but Obama’s Justice Dept and Eric Holder sue a state for upholding their laws, and its something you advocate while blaming the right for not doing this….

Please show me where I have ever stated that I have “advocated this.”

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
10:46 am

and as to your question of where was the outrage at Reagan (and dont forget Carter). There was a hell of a lot of outrage. I lived in St Simons when the carter debacle happened, and I knew shrimpers who were bringing over boatloads of Cubans. And their neighbors were furious at them. Same with Reagan. That card about “where was our outrage” is patently untrue. To this day I dont understand his logic. And conservatives had a fit at the time that we were rewarding illegal behavior. I, for one, believe this single act was a major factor in encouraging the illegal immigration problem we have today. And why I argue to never let this happen again.

shaggy

December 9th, 2010
10:46 am

Not a problem. Just instruct the “Illegal” aliens to go back to their own countries and legally apply.
In short, get in line, but do it legally and in their country. We citizens will be fine until they get that pesky “illegal” thing worked in advance of coming here.

moses

December 9th, 2010
10:47 am

124% of Americans are opinionated…

The Fallen

December 9th, 2010
10:49 am

Amen to that Moses! Numbers, can’t live with them..CAN make them say whatever you want.

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
10:49 am

Damn, Kam. Take a stand and defend it for christs sake. Thats just chicken####. You were taking Republicans to task for not going after the employers of AI’s, and I showed you a MAJOR statewide case where we were, and how the Justice Dept is sueing, and you say you werent advocating that we be fair and go after both sides? Damn, guy, at least have SOME credibility….sheesh….

RGB

December 9th, 2010
10:51 am

Say it with me: “Illegal”.

Rafe Hollister

December 9th, 2010
10:52 am

Markie Mark

Kamchak make an honest effort to support an opinion, no way, he prefers to be cute as he attacks yours.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
10:53 am

moses & The Fallen – I think we all understand that Americans have a hard time with numbers. I mean, it’s a known fact that 5/4ths of all Americans have trouble with fractions.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
10:53 am

George W,

She rails against the blind loyalty of the “narrowminded” Repub base, yet she is practicing what she preaches. We call that a hypocrit where I come from.

Pull My Finger

December 9th, 2010
10:54 am

Cynthia wants illegals to be declared “legal” so that maybe they can vote for her lord and savior Obama and possibly save him in 2012. She believes EVERYTHING should be legal……..sheeeeeesh.

luangtom

December 9th, 2010
10:54 am

My father and his family gave up all that they had in Europe to come here LEGALLY. My wife and I spent months and all of our savings to get her here LEGALLY. What of the countless other millions that have done the same? Will we get our money back and our time back?

Legal immigration is not a problem with me. It is the ILLEGAL immigration that is. No one helped my wife and me assimilate her into American society. She learned English, got her GED, went to tech-school and did a job in Health-care until she became unable to work. No help from the government, federal or state. She did it on her own. So, why should we help create a permanent, obligated voting-base for the Democrats? Why is the Democratic Party so intent on buying their votes with promises of the American dream?

old-timer

December 9th, 2010
10:55 am

My ancestors came here LEGALLY through Ellis Island….Had their children educated and became legal residents. To the rest of you; People are considered ILLEGAL when they they enter the country illegally!

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
10:55 am

NIF-

So do you think that people should have a choice whether or not they support an issue?

You should and do have a choice on what your support. Not real sure what you are trying to get at.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
10:56 am

I usually take the paper poll numbers are on and use it in my bathroom when I run out of Charmin. Thats about what I think of poll numbers.

shaggy

December 9th, 2010
10:57 am

Too bad the “illegals” didn’t think to apply for entry before breaking the law. Then, they could be “legal” aliens or even naturalized citizens by now. Yes, too bad.

George W

December 9th, 2010
10:57 am

Let see….Dems are for:
Illegal Imigration
Welfare
Food Stamps
Extended Unemployment benefits
Medicare

Is there any wonder why there party is in trouble right now?

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
10:58 am

Some People are stupid

- -You should and do have a choice on what your support.- -

If the Dream Act had been passed, I would not have that choice.

Yo

December 9th, 2010
10:59 am

CT,
Maybe we should just print more money to support all these great social programs. Also keep taxing the rich more, they wont ever run out of money because they steal it all from the poor anyway.

I think you are the narrow minded bigot that you always speak of.

If the AJC had some decent editors and reporters….

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:00 am

I know Rafe…its amazing. Granny, Matti, USinUK, and a lot of liberals on this blog have opinions I dont agree with, but they are honest enough to defend their positions. Kam just likes to be cute with pithy little sayings and one word answers. I dont know if he is not intellectually honest enough to defend what he says, but when shown a response like I did today, that shows what he APPEARED to Advocate (thats for you, Kamchak) then he retreats into the “show me the quote” crap. Its the most intellectually dishonest thing that I have seen on this blog (with the exception of CT, who starts off by twisting things to look good in her world)

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
11:00 am

and as to your question of where was the outrage at Reagan (and dont forget Carter). There was a hell of a lot of outrage.

No markie mark, that dog won’t hunt.

Just like Good Grief you fail to acknowledge that it is only after someone else points out a previous instance, that you jump on board and say yeah, I was against that too.

Chris D.

December 9th, 2010
11:01 am

Hmm…Ms. Tucker is always so big on people paying their “fair share” of taxes, yet these criminals pay NO income taxes…How is that fair? If the Dems want to give amnesty to people here illegally, then payment of their back tax earnings should certainly be made before ANY amnesty should be granted. That would be only “fair” wouldn’t it?

shaggy

December 9th, 2010
11:01 am

Has anyone noticed that Cynthia has been putting up an inflammatory topic and disappearing? Why doesn’t she come out and play…at least support her non-position?

Rafe Hollister

December 9th, 2010
11:01 am

Someone who moves to another country because they like the better living conditions there, may be wise shoppers, but I don’t think that makes them “Patriots”. A Patriot is someone who stays and fights to make their own country better. Mexico has some of the worlds best natural resources and farming conditions, but all the wealth generated is consumed with corruption and inefficiency. These “Patriots” need to fix their country.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
11:01 am

George W,

You forgot gay marriage, abortion, climate change, and pot legalization.

Jason

December 9th, 2010
11:02 am

Why is it that Cynthia, and most other liberals, so badly want make it possible for illegal aliens to side step the immigration process that has always been in place in this country. Given the hostile world that we live in today it just seems all too obvious that allowing the free flow of illegals is just a bad idea. I would recommend picking another battle.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
11:03 am

Markie Mark and Good Grief,

Kamchak is an old timer liberal know-it-all. His ways are right, you can’t argue with him, because he is always right. (Or so he believes)

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
11:04 am

Nothing is Free-
Not have a choice of what?

Sorry so late with the response…was trying to catch up .

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:04 am

Kamchak, I dont live in the “28 year ago” world. I am trying to make it better today, regardless of who did what then. Those days are over. And I agree with his response to you. I have no intention of going over every decision that I disagreed with in the last 30 or so years. Its a pointless exercise, and once again you are probably the most intellectually dishonest blogger here.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
11:06 am

Harry Callahan-
Subsidy-Monetary assistance granted by a government to a person or group in support of an enterprise regarded as being in the public interest.

An unsubsidized loan carries no financial assistance. A below market interest rate is not a subsidy. So when I get a car at 0% interest is the bank subsidizing my loan.

George W

December 9th, 2010
11:07 am

I dont understand why Dems cant get behind the idea of legal immigration???

DEMS SUPPORT CRIMINALS!!!

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
11:07 am

The great thing about America is it’s checks and balances.

Every few years, the dims convince the populas that they aren’t Marxist, that they care about people and they love this country.

Then they get in power.

Two years later, after reeling from their attempt at changing our country into the USSR, the population kicks them back into the back yard.

The last time this happened was 18 years ago and they haven’t been in power since. Now, once again, they showed their true colors and every way that we were allowed, we threw them out again.

God Bless America. The founding fathers were some smart people.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
11:09 am

Kamchak – I’ve already apologized to you for not providing every ounce of support for my points of view. I’m not like you ’silly libs.’ I don’t require someone else to tell me what to think. I’ve looked at both sides of arguments and formulated my own opinions. But again, I’m sorry that my ’silly con’ ideas aren’t good enough for the all-might liberal elite intellect. if only I could get over this notion of personal responsibility and let teh government do everything for me. Maybe, just maybe, Kamchak would accept me as one of his own.

Oh well, I’d rather live in the woods with these modern conveniences than allow the government to dictate to me where I can go, what I can do, how much of the money I earn I am allowed to keep. But props to you, Kamchak, if you’re comfortable with a government that is the great and wonderful nanny.

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:10 am

And by the way….just for the record Kam, you didnt bring up the Carter years….I did.

LES

December 9th, 2010
11:12 am

Although a “conservative”, I do appreciate the perspective of other viewpoints that challenge actions taken by the Republican party. While I don’t necesarily agree with your initial observation about stubborn nativism, it’s a fair “challenge” to be made.

What I did find disappointing was your need to point to the GOP’s need to “only satisfy rich backers”. You shifted from a potentially insightful observations to ignorant generalizations.

You would be so much more effective if you “stuck” to making insightful observations to stimulate thought on “both sides of the aisle”.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
11:12 am

Take a Stand?!

OK for the umpteenth time—

This is an excerpt from a piece that our hostess penned in 2007

…here’s some counterintuitive advice for the Democratic ranks: Don’t hedge. Lead. Do the right thing. Come out clearly and forcefully for putting illegal immigrants already in the country on a path to citizenship. This is no time to trim or triangulate. Show some spine. America is ready for reasoned leadership on this issue.

…So let the GOP be the party of fear and division. Democrats ought to stand for something else. The modern Democratic Party also made its choice in the 1960s, choosing hope over fear, tolerance over division and the beloved community over bigotry.

…This is no time for Democrats to turn their backs on that heritage. America is too generous and compassionate to expel millions of productive and otherwise law-abiding people. The nation has taken advantage of their labor for decades, and it would be inhumane (and outrageously expensive) to round them up and send them back.

But Americans also want to be assured that this is the last time a broad legalization option is offered to illegal immigrants. Democrats ought to make it clear that they’ll enforce the borders and crack down on employers who hire illegally, a cheaper and more effective strategy for addressing the problem than building fences. After a few CEOs have done the perp walk for illegal hiring, they’ll stop offering jobs to those without proper documents. And when word gets across the border that U.S. companies have stopped hiring, those laborers will stop coming. They come for jobs, after all, not jihad.

This is a win-win platform. Not only is it wise and honorable, calling on the highest ideals of a nation of immigrants, it can also produce victories at the ballot box. Last week, Virginia Democrats made gains in state and local elections even though the state has been embroiled in fiery debate over illegal immigration. As an analysis by the Washington Post concluded, voting trends didn’t benefit “those who campaigned the loudest for tough sanctions against illegal immigrants.”

Let Republicans take the low road. It doesn’t end in a place the rest of the country wants to go.

Yeah, what she said.

carlosgvv

December 9th, 2010
11:14 am

We now have over 12 million illegal aliens in our country. Just out of curiosity, have any of the politicians and/or others responsible for this stepped up to the plate to accept responsibility? Before we start accepting young illegals into the Military and college shouldn’t we do as much as possible to keep any more from coming here?

Equality 7-2521

December 9th, 2010
11:19 am

I wonder how many “good jobs” we might have for Americans, say operating crop harvesting equipment, if we did not have so many illegal immigrants willing to do it manually.

Had there been a “need” to develop high tech equipment to harvest crops, we would have done so. But with an abundance of unskilled labor flooding our nation, we have not bothered.

Cynthia, your columns could be combined this week and we could call it…..

“Cause and Effect”.

Scout

December 9th, 2010
11:22 am

Cynthia:

That’s about the biggest oxymoron I’ve seen in awhile (other than patriotic liberal).

How can one be patriotic and the first thing they do is break our laws.

Sorry, this one doesn’t compute.

George W

December 9th, 2010
11:28 am

Did the tread die?

Steven Marshall

December 9th, 2010
11:32 am

Ms. Tucker….twice in your article you insulted the GOP base. I guess you forgot who fought for “your” civil rights in the 60’s so you could be a minority, woman “so-called” journalist. Apparently you haven’t read the bill.

Libertarian

December 9th, 2010
11:32 am

I think anyone can see that we cannot deport all these illegals. The dreams act is good in that it gives a path to citizenship for illegals who want to succeed and be productive. I would rather see these illigals get citizenship than see people who never work and have 6 kids stay on welfare and food stamps their whole lives. The only thing I would change about the dream act is I would require 4 years military service or a 4 year degree. I’m not sure how it reads…but they should be required to get an actual degree (not just waste time in college without getting a degree). And I think a 4 year degree is more beneficial than a 2 year.

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:37 am

What in !@@# did that long winded cut and paste have to do with YOU taking a stand? God, what a weasel response. I am beginning to believe you are gutless, Kam….not that you care. But you stand on the sidelines, throw bombs, and when someone points out that exactly what you are complaining about is taking place…..nothing. You havent even acknowledged once that I gave you an example that showed EXACTLY what you were pointing out was already being done. And Obama and Eric Holder were fighting it tooth and nail. Next you will ask for the quote where I saw that YOU said that you were for the current administration….lord…..

shaggy

December 9th, 2010
11:37 am

Libertarian,
Specifically, why can’t we deport all “illegal” aliens? Is there some kind of limit to our deportation? I think not.
As I stated earlier, let them go back to their own countries and apply for legal entry.

G'Vegas Dawg

December 9th, 2010
11:37 am

I don’t see why it didn’t just pass. It would benefit no one would it? Only our democratic party could come up with a bill that says an ILLEGAL immigrants could earn citizenship by showing that they are “law abiding”. If they are here illegally then they are not law abiding are they?

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
11:39 am

What in !@@# did that long winded cut and paste have to do with YOU taking a stand?

What part of “Yeah, what she said,” seems to be giving you the most trouble?

George W

December 9th, 2010
11:39 am

Markie Mark – - You will find that Kam is even more brainless that CTucker. Dont bother dealing with Kam no point.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
11:39 am

Libertarian

I partially agree. I’m all for the military service. In fact, I thought it was already the case that if a non-Amerrican serves in the armed forces for so long, they can already become a citizen.

College? No. That’s not a free service for IUS citizens. Why would it be free for non-Americans?

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:41 am

“After a few CEOs have done the perp walk for illegal hiring, they’ll stop offering jobs to those without proper documents. And when word gets across the border that U.S. companies have stopped hiring, those laborers will stop coming. They come for jobs, after all, not jihad.”

And this is EXACTLY what the Justice Department is trying TO STOP. God, Kam, you and CT cant have it both ways. And if you can dig up this blog from 2007, you can dang sure find yesterdays story here in the AJC where the Supreme Court is taking the case….

George W

December 9th, 2010
11:41 am

Nothing is Free……I agree, if an illegal wants to spend 4 years in our military to gain citizenship. I would be ok with that.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
11:41 am

Markie Mark,

Even if you show Kam facts to his face, he still will argue with you that his point of view is correct.

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:42 am

the point is about you “agreeing” with Tucker? You twist yourself endlesly to avoid making/typing a direct statement FROM YOU so that you never have to see it thrown back at you with proof. Gutless, gutless, gutless…

we the people

December 9th, 2010
11:42 am

GG and her ilk say, STUPID! IMMORAL! UNCOMPASSIONITE, when there are no facts to stand on.

Here are some facts:

Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism.” The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household

Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

People who reject the idea that “government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality” give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.

While conservatives tend to regard giving as a personal rather than governmental responsibility, some liberals consider private charity a retrograde phenomenon — a poor palliative for an inadequate welfare state, and a distraction from achieving adequacy by force, by increasing taxes.

Ralph Nader, running for president in 2000, said: “A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity.” Brooks, however, warns: “If support for a policy that does not exist … substitutes for private charity, the needy are left worse off than before. It is one of the bitterest ironies of liberal politics today that political opinions are apparently taking the place of help for others.”

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
11:43 am

George W

I try to stay away from calling people who think differently than myself brainless. I think Ms Tucker is smart and that’s why I can’t understand most of her stances. Kammy? Not so much. He is pretty much the perfect liberal.

Abolish HHS

December 9th, 2010
11:43 am

Remember the Alamo: Destroy Mexico

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:43 am

I know about Kam, all….but his smugness occasionally is difficult to see….and if someone follows a blog like this with our two posts, it will be obvious that he is an empty suit…

George W

December 9th, 2010
11:44 am

Nothing……please tell me why you believe CTucker is smart. Please give me one piece of evidence that would make you think that her thoughts are well thought out and supportive?

Purple People Eater

December 9th, 2010
11:45 am

Why don’t they apply for citizenship? Is it that difficult? Or would it require learning the LAWS of our country?

Thank goodness for the Republicans for upholding our LAWS. Get with the program Dems.

shaggy

December 9th, 2010
11:46 am

1) Go back to country of origin
2) Apply for legal entry to this country, acquiring the proper visa for your situation
3) Join the military if you want to fast track.. after 1 & 2, you are here legally, so that would weigh in your favor
4) Pay out of state college tuitions, unless you have satisfied state residency requirements – no free schooling, unless academic scholarship has been offered that is equal to what a citizen would get.

Libertarian

December 9th, 2010
11:47 am

Shaggy…

Perhaps we “can” deport all illegals but I don’t want my tax dollars being wasted on that. It would cost too much. And, in my opinion, if illegals are going to be here, I’d like to get them to a point where they are paying taxes (ie get them educated, then they get jobs, then they pay taxes). Right now the majority of illegals are moochers (ie they use our services, and don’t pay taxes). Of course a consumption-based tax system would solve that problem but that’s not gonna happen.

NIF-
I don’t think college should be free for them.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
11:47 am

the point is about you “agreeing” with Tucker?

Of course.

Why should I rewrite what I consider to be the most cogent position on this issue?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ms. Tucker–I agree with dB.

You really do need smarter trolls here.

Have you considered outsourcing?

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
11:48 am

George W.

I just did a quick search. An alien here LEGALLY does have the option of serving as a pathway to citizenship. I stand and salute those good people. All it takes is a work visa.

God Bless America!!!

Purple People Eater

December 9th, 2010
11:48 am

I would be for storming Mexico and making it a part of the United States.

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:49 am

Kam, cause you are chicken!@#!@# who wont declare himself….thats why. Obvious to all….You will let other people speak for you so you are ever reproached. just plain gutless.

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:49 am

thats NEVER reproached

markie mark

December 9th, 2010
11:51 am

and of course, you once again skipped my posts about what this all started with and didnt acknowledge it….after what, 2 hours? gutless.

Purple People Eater

December 9th, 2010
11:53 am

I wish Democrats cared about the citizens of THIS COUNTRY!

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
11:53 am

shaggy

December 9th, 2010
11:56 am

Libertarian,
Yes, I agree that Fair Tax makes too much sense for the masses.
Really, i would rather see a “nudging” for the illegals to return on their own, to their country and do it legally.
I don’t want my tax dollars wasted either, but on the other hand, it is already being wasted by services being provided to the illegals right now.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
11:56 am

George W

- -Nothing……please tell me why you believe CTucker is smart.- -

I don’t know. Proper English?

I guess just in reading what she writes, I get that sense. It’s not anything in particular. She, unlike Kammy, knows when she is losing an argument. I would guess that she is getting some sort of commission from this blog, but I’m not sure of that.

I think I am just much more likely to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

George W

December 9th, 2010
11:56 am

Nothing…..I agree with you 100%

GT/MIT

December 9th, 2010
11:59 am

Kamchak:

I’ve been reading along this forum from time to time, and your moniker seem to appear about third entry. I’ve about decided that I must have meet you somewhere before but I can’t place just where that might have been. Then I remembered a lecture I once attended where the point was made that ”
when you have nothing to say, talk a lot”, I’ll bet you were there.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
11:59 am

George W

I got it. The reason why Ms Tucker is smart is because she never posted this:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Test Tube Tommy

December 9th, 2010
11:59 am

The bill passed in congress but they’re saying it will die in the senate………who controls the senate again?

George W

December 9th, 2010
12:00 pm

Even though the majority of what she writes is extremely comical?

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
12:02 pm

Again I will state, as long as the DREAM Act provides loopholes for illegals and liberals to exploit the system, it will never pass.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
12:04 pm

I’ll bet you were there.

I’ll take that bet.

How much?

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
12:09 pm

Test Tube Tommy,

Dems do not have the 60 votes to avoid a filibuster from Republicans. Thank God for that.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
12:10 pm

George W

- -Even though the majority of what she writes is extremely comical?- -

LOL!

Mark Twain was smart as hell and also funny as hell.

I’m going to have to bail with that one. I am being summoned to the conference room.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
12:11 pm

How bout this for news? Gitmo will not be closed, DEMOCRATS made sure of that.

Aren’t they the ones that railed against it and promised they would close it and on and on?

Tommy Maddox

December 9th, 2010
12:17 pm

It got canned in the Senate.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
12:20 pm

It got canned in the Senate bc they know it won’t get passed. If they want it passed so bad, why won’t they work with Republicans to make the language workable where there are no possible loopholes. If they truly don’t want a loophole for citizenship in the bill, why not work together? Their unwillingness to correct the flaws in the bill demonstrate that Dems want all illegals to be given the free ride, not the “few” they claim.

Tommy Maddox

December 9th, 2010
12:21 pm

They want to be given a free vote too.

Mack

December 9th, 2010
12:24 pm

The title should be “All But 38 Dems. in the House TURNED THEIR BACKS on UNITED STAETS CITIZENS”! The DREAM Amnesty Act advocates IN-State tuition for ILLEGALS who now replace innocent American students in the limited seats in college at a time when over 10% of Americans are out of work and their families are struggling to train for new jobs and pay for college. Why would you support in-state tuition for the ILLEGALS that will attract more ILLEGALS to the United States and train ILLEGALS for jobs it is illegal for them to have. These students should go back to their HOME countries and stop draining our resources that could be used to assist United States Citizens and not the ILLEGALS! Just follow the money! The Elitist Politicians and their Elitist Political Contributors want to continue to have United States Citizens pay the benefits for their ILLEGALS while they continue to have their BOTTOM LINES increased at the taxpayer’s expense!

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
12:26 pm

And to your point that “…and your moniker seem to appear about third entry,” this is my thirteenth post (fifteen if you count the two name-jacking).

As of this moment, there are 270 posts on this thread. Is it your contention that 13 is one-third of 270?

Blue

December 9th, 2010
12:30 pm

“One of the more detrimental features of the current Republican Party”. CT, you have so much volume of all that is wrong and detrimental with all Republican’s, how do you expect anyone to read this sentence and think there is any credibility in it. NEVER do I read an article where we do something right. OH WAIT…we elected some black’s this last election period. OH WAIT…that wasn’t Republican’s, that was because of “Barack’s influence”.

Chris D.

December 9th, 2010
12:35 pm

So much for the Republicans being the party of “NO”. Seems the Dems have taken over that position now…

House Democrats voted Thursday to reject President Barack Obama’s tax deal with Republicans in its current form, but it was unclear how significantly the package might need to be changed.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 9th, 2010
12:37 pm

Democrats have large majorities in both houses of Congress. Yet CT hypocritically blames Republicans?

Blame-shifting like this just shows how weak your arguments are, CT.

cosby

December 9th, 2010
12:38 pm

Illegal is illeagal – against the law…wonder if I can rob a bank and then receive a DREAM act to forgive me and I get to keep the money. with out laws and the enforcement there of, we become a lawless country rewarding law brakers and it makes The USA a third world county..dont like what you get, riot in the streets and get what you want!
what is there not to understand other than vote buying by Politicians

DawgDad

December 9th, 2010
12:38 pm

Cynthia, given the problems we currently face as a nation the fact that THIS issue was the #1 priority of the Congress yesterday is an insult to every citizen in this nation. Who are these people representing, and what are their priorities? Oh, yeah, maybe THIS is why they got voted out in droves. Ya think?

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 9th, 2010
12:40 pm

Most Americans Say They’re Worse Off Since Obama Took Office, Poll Shows

More than 50 percent of Americans say they are worse off now than they were two years ago when President Barack Obama took office, and two-thirds believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, a Bloomberg National Poll shows.
——————————

Idiot Messiah: Fail.

GT/MIT

December 9th, 2010
12:41 pm

Are you trying to prove that you actually have some math skills?

DawgDad

December 9th, 2010
12:42 pm

“House Democrats voted Thursday to reject President Barack Obama’s tax deal with Republicans in its current form, but it was unclear how significantly the package might need to be changed.”

Probably cooking up a DREAM act for the lame ducks in Congress.

Tommy Maddox

December 9th, 2010
12:42 pm

Let’s see: The Dems hold the vast majorities in both houses of Congress.Today, tax reform and the Dream scheme get the can from the Dems. Hmmmm.

Now that I consider this, I do believe that the premise of this article is down right silly.

JW

December 9th, 2010
12:44 pm

There’s an error in the headline to this story. It should’ve read “GOP turns its back on criminal patriotic and productive illegal immigrants”. Being in this country is a crime – PERIOD. If an illegal immigrant has the capacity to understand the difference between right and wrong (used as a standard in trying minors) and chooses to continue in the commission of illegal actions, then that person is a CRIMINAL.

I would only consider supporting a path towards naturization (which currently exists) for those who join the US military and serve honorably. I stongly object to my tax dollars supporting illegal immigrants attending educational institutions. Gentting a college education at my expense doesn’t cut it.

If they are that patriotic, then they should apply to be allowed to enter the country legally. After being admitted legally, their patriotism and hard work will be rewarded the same as anyone else.

God Bless America... and no one else

December 9th, 2010
12:45 pm

I know a more sypathetic group of potential Americans. My interpreters in Afghanistan worked with US troops everyday, risking their lives and the lives of their friends and family. On several occasions, they provided me with intel that potentially saved the lives of my soldiers. All three have been doing this dangerous service for seven years, all three are already college educated, and all three want to come to America with their families.

The requirement for this opportunity? Get signed affidavits from each officer they served, talk one of those officers into doing the volume of paperwork required to submit the immigration packet, wait for a two-star general to sign it and forward it to Nebraska, then hope they are one of the fifty chosen each year.

Instead, we want to give citizenship freely to those who choose to skirt the system.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
12:50 pm

With a nom-de-blog like GT/MIT I though you would have a less tenuous connection with mathematics.

Oh well, live and learn.

How about that bet, sport?

Talk’s cheap; whisky costs money.

Del,

December 9th, 2010
12:50 pm

OMG…The Dream Act with all these people in line for years going through the process legally, Cynthia and her friends want to push through this stupid piece of legislation. Actually what there dreaming about is to have another hard-left voting block, they don’t really care about the people that’s just a smoke screen.

GT/MIT

December 9th, 2010
1:03 pm

I have decent relationship with math but all that is needed here is the ability to add 2 and 2 in order to see through the fog. By the way, cheap talk and cheap whiskey, I’m told, are a staple in many circles.

George W

December 9th, 2010
1:03 pm

JW…..Jehovahs Witness?

Dave

December 9th, 2010
1:05 pm

“House Democrats voted Thursday to reject President Barack Obama’s tax deal with Republicans in its current form, but it was unclear how significantly the package might need to be changed.”

Who’s the “party of no” now??

carlosgvv

December 9th, 2010
1:08 pm

cosby

When you daydream out loud like that be thankful we don’t have any thought police. Ideas like that aren’t popular with our good, honest decent lawmakers.

Avenger

December 9th, 2010
1:10 pm

Cynthia. Why would one be surprise. Once upon a time the clowns that were suppose to be representing the country thought nothing of violating the very rules (constitution) that they were to abide by. These clowns would salivate talking about “the constitution” while actually wiping their butts with it. It is also not surprising to see their descendants (lot of your bloggers) double talk about “will parents become citizens along with their kids who go college”, what is good moral character, breaking laws equal unpatriotic, and such gibberish.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
1:10 pm

Ha 52 House Democrats think they are Almightys and can block the GOP backed Tax plan. Aint gonna happen, it gets passed. BET ON IT.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
1:16 pm

…all that is needed here is the ability to add 2 and 2…

You were the one that mentioned 1 in 3.

That’s not addition.

Is there a mathematician in the house?

ButtHead

December 9th, 2010
1:18 pm

What part of ILLIGAL do liberals not understand?
Granny, quoting the CBO is like saying Charles Manson never did drugs.

Avenger

December 9th, 2010
1:21 pm

Scout. “That’s about the biggest oxymoron I’ve seen in awhile (other than patriotic liberal).
How can one be patriotic and the first thing they do is break our laws” You have to be careful when you double talk. By your standards, there are a lot of so called Americans that are not patriotic. Not long ago, the American government itself was breaking the very laws (constitution) that were suppoe to be the bed rock of this nation. The pathetic part is that the majority of the American people supported this law breaking. You are on thin ice beating your chest bragging about patriotism and law breaking

Nojose

December 9th, 2010
1:22 pm

The CBO report is availible online, it says there is an initial cost savings but starting in 2020 it starts bleeding red ink and it starts costing us all billions. I guess most news outlets dont like to look at the long term parts of the CBO reports. Just parrot the good parts and ignore the facts.

GT/MIT

December 9th, 2010
1:24 pm

I’m old, I’, entitled to certain exaggerations.

Nojose

December 9th, 2010
1:28 pm

I have a dream, Deport-Remove-Expell-unAuthorized-Migrants, I’m a citizen, are my dreams not as important to the Democrats?

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
1:33 pm

DEMOCRAT: Stands for:

Dumb
Egotistical
Messy
Out of Touch
Cronies
Repulsive
Appaling
Total Wastes of Oxygen

George W

December 9th, 2010
1:35 pm

Georgian

I would replace Dumb with Demons.

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
1:37 pm

Here’s DREAM for you,

D- Democrat
R- Removal
E- Effort
A- After
M- Moronic Rule

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
1:37 pm

George W,

Good substitution.

ButtHead

December 9th, 2010
1:41 pm

I love it when a liberal loses a vote they call the GOP naiveté, uninformed, or any host of names. Since liberals “claim” to believe in democracy why don’t they just shut up, sit down and move on… The truth of the matter is that the liberals want to pick and chose which laws they like, or don’t like. Why is that OK with the left?

horsefeathers

December 9th, 2010
1:43 pm

@Goodgrief….Amen. Cynthia, what part of being a criminal do you not understand. A criminal is a criminal. Why is it you can’t go by our laws and the constitution. It was written for a reason. I think most people in this country have no problem with immigrants who come in this country the right way. Running the border is NOT the correct way. That just makes one a criminal. I think it should be a Felony for anyone to ‘run’ the border and come in illegally. Period! Smoke that one over, would you!

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
1:47 pm

Welcome to the NEW WORLD ORDER Democrats. Republicans call the shots and you will have to side with GOP backed plans from President Obama the rest of his Presidency. HAHA

Watching the painful expression on Nancy Pelosi every time she has to face that camera and fake that aldready fake smile makes me so happy. She is so miserable, and its bc Republicans are getting the RIGHT types of things done and her liberal agendas are going by the way-side.

ButtHead

December 9th, 2010
1:51 pm

Please some liberal explain why it is OK for ILLIGAL aliens to use our system in ways the Americans can’t? My mother who paid her taxes for over 50 years needed some help, so I took her to the guvment offices to apply for food stamps and some help with the rent. After several visits it became obvious what a farce this is. Did you know that they have a “Spanish Only” window; I watched illegal aliens walk in show no ID and have nothing but a pitiful story and no visible income, and they got $400 housing assistance and $300 food assistance. I guess they needed the money to pay for their $600 cell phone, and a car payment on the Denali. My mother because she made $12,000 a year on social security qualified for NOTHING, zero. So come on liberals please tell me why and illegal alien who NEVER paid into the system gets help and my mother does not?

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
2:09 pm

Seriously have any of yall ever read the DREAM ACT?

Billyboy

December 9th, 2010
2:10 pm

Cynthia, it appears your heart is in the right place, but you mind is either blinded or sick. Please read the bill and conduct a thorough analysis.

The holes in the bill as pointed out by many of the comments are large.

The economy is in the trouble today because big government (both D and R) tried to give everything to everyone. This bill will cause even more troubles if passed as is.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
2:12 pm

Welcome to the NEW WORLD ORDER Democrats.

Clearly, someone has lost their Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie

HDB

December 9th, 2010
2:13 pm

Georgian December 9th, 2010
1:37 pm

Two things you need to think about:
DREAM:
Desires
Reached
Especially
After
Motivation…..

and REPUBLICAN:
Racist
Egomaniacal
Parsimonious
Uncaring
Ba$taards
Loquacious
Ignorant
Conniving
Annointed
Negatives…..

It goes both wats……

George W

December 9th, 2010
2:16 pm

HDB…..true but atleast we can spell!!!

HDB

December 9th, 2010
2:17 pm

Georgian

December 9th, 2010
1:47 pm
Welcome to the NEW WORLD ORDER Democrats. Republicans call the shots and you will have to side with GOP backed plans from President Obama the rest of his Presidency. HAHA

Lest you forget — two KEY things:Democrats still control the SENATE…and also the VETO!! If the GOP-hatched plans in the House are NOT in the nation’s best interest, it won’t get through the Senate…and the Presidential VETO won’t be overridden!!

Let’s see what comes forth….and what doesn’t get through!!

HDB

December 9th, 2010
2:19 pm

George W December 9th, 2010
2:16 pm

I can admit to my mistakes…and mis-strokes! No problems here!! But sometimes…to get through the editor……

George W

December 9th, 2010
2:19 pm

HDB….while the Dems do have control of the Senate….there are enough conservative Dems in the Senate to get this bill through…..Thank God!

carlosgvv

December 9th, 2010
2:23 pm

Butthead

Here is why illegals get help and your mother dosen’t.

1. Politicans want them for their vote.
2. Business wants them for cheap labor.
3. The Catholic Church wants them for parishoners.

Any questions?

ronald

December 9th, 2010
2:30 pm

Kamchak said- “Class envy? Don’t make me laugh. I actually create something tangible, when all you do is move money around among accounts.”

Look Kamchak. You work in construction, OK? No education necessary and you’re probably working with illegal immigrants all day. Congratulations on your “tangible work”. I got paid to make money for clients. Somehow in your distorted mind, money isn’t “something tangible? People like you would gladly do the type of work that I did, if only they had the skill set, but usually they don’t, which is why they end up in construction. Thats reality.

Also, I’ve read many of your posts on many threads here and if 1 thing is certain, it is that you are eaten up with class envy. You have always demonstrated open hostility toward anyone that you view as being wealthy or successful. That is your problem, not mine. You are a dinasour who is trying to apply your 1940’s education to a modern economy where the pieces don’t fit together like they used to. Instead of accepting the new reality around you, you continue to try to put your square peg into the round hole and you b*tch at everyone who is able to succeed in modern times. In short, you are an aging moron who’s best years are far far behind you.

HDB

December 9th, 2010
2:32 pm

George W
December 9th, 2010
2:19 pm

For a compromise, I didn’t have a problem with the bill;; what I would have hoped would be addressed is this:

1) Closing ALL loopholes to allow corporations to take jobs offshore
2) Lowering of corporate tax rate to 20%
3) Raising of the upper-marginal rate to 39.5%
4) Maintaining the low-and-middle class marginal tax rates
5) R&D tax credits for renewable energy (taken out by Reagan)
6) Raising the level of the upper marginal rate to cover $1M and more

THAT would have been BETTER!!!

George W

December 9th, 2010
2:34 pm

HDB….I don’t disagree with you on all points. Except raising the upper marginal rate.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
2:35 pm

OH snap..George W and HDB have reached a consensus

HDB

December 9th, 2010
2:37 pm

Some People are stupid
December 9th, 2010
2:35 pm

See…there are ways that progressives and conservatives can reach common ground….

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you......

December 9th, 2010
2:38 pm

Why are Liberals so ignorant? Can someone PLEASE explain that to me? I mean they (Liberals) have NO clue or sense of reality…

HDB

December 9th, 2010
2:41 pm

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you……
December 9th, 2010
2:38 pm

Please clarify…..I could ask you this:

Why are Conservatives so sanctimonious? They don’t EVEN have a clue…….

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 9th, 2010
2:45 pm

Great anti-deficit idea just surfaced on the Limbaugh show: (a) abolish tuition tax credits, and (b) tax, to the recipient, all scholarship monies as “income.” Just think how much tax money the government loses because of that loophole.

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you......

December 9th, 2010
2:47 pm

Dear HDB,

Conservatives are the party of freedom and liberty…..trying to save this country that Obama, Pelosi, and Reed are currently destroying. Thank Goodness for the midterm elections……

George W

December 9th, 2010
2:47 pm

HDB…What makes you think we are Sanctimonious? We feel the same about Demoncrats.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
2:48 pm

Ragnar-

So you want to tax scholarship money as income? Assuming you tax it as ordinary income, that would probably force college students to file independent of their parents and then make them eligible for EITC.

I think the tuition tax credit was part of the Bush Tax Cuts?

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you......

December 9th, 2010
2:50 pm

We need the Fair Tax!!!!!!

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
2:54 pm

Wouldn’t the Fair Tax be a hinderence on this economy?

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you......

December 9th, 2010
2:57 pm

Just the opposite……The Fair Tax would SAVE this country….financially speaking….Read the book.

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
3:01 pm

No ronnie-poo, you create nothing. You sit at a desk all day running that mouth of yours, transferring numbers around from one account to another, and skimming off a small—or not so small portion which is in effect no more than a transaction fee.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
3:02 pm

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you……

Wow, long name.

I say that because it appears the America doesn’t like to pay taxes. Wouldn’t we just adjust our spending habits to lower our tax burden. Then also, wouldn’t the sticker shock of seeing prices jump 23% kinda lower demand. In this economy, people have shown a tendency to save as opposed to spend. I think it would have worked better prior to the recession.

George W

December 9th, 2010
3:03 pm

Some People…..wouldnt seeing your paychecks increase by 23% possibly increase your spending habits?

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
3:04 pm

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you……

Also, are you saying it would save the country just because you read it in a book??

ronald

December 9th, 2010
3:04 pm

People don’t get paid to create nothing, unless you have a gov’t job. I created wealth for clients. You built houses.

ronald

December 9th, 2010
3:05 pm

The guys who “create nothing” as you say…well they get fired and then fall into other, less desirable careers…like construction.

Kamchak's gerbil

December 9th, 2010
3:06 pm

Kamy – I’ll be there in an hour – I clipped my nails!!!!

George W

December 9th, 2010
3:07 pm

Ronald…..So you are like Bernie Madoff?

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
3:10 pm

George W-
Why would my paycheck increase by 23%.(Sidenote, i take a distribution)
Just to fix your statement, I think your paycheck would increase by the amount of taxes taken out for federal and payroll, depending on your tax rate, it might increase more than 23%.

Second, check the rate of saving in this country post recession. That’s why I said it probably would be better pre recession. The saving level has increased since the recession. also, people have an aversion to paying taxes, wouldn’t I just adjust my spending habits to pay the lowest amount of taxes possible, which in turn would do harm to the economy.

George W

December 9th, 2010
3:12 pm

Some People……In some cases you are right. Just like in today’s market, some spend more, some save more. You have to look at the larger picture. Yes this could do harm to the production market short term but in time it would increase and improve the overall economy.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
3:25 pm

George W-

I’m not to sure about that. I can’t see myself justify buying a tv that went from 899 to 1105.77. That’s kinda a hard sell. Would you purchase something that just went up 23%

Also, in today’s market, you have more savers than spenders. Not real sure that’s good for the economy. As well as a drop in production in the short term means more job losses in the short term, which further decreases consumer confidence. That’s why I said it might be better in a thriving economy.

George W

December 9th, 2010
3:27 pm

Some People…..A thriving economy may react to the Fair Tax more kindly. However what are our leaders doing to make this economy better? True the tax cut extensions should help.

The costs of good and the “affordability” factor is relative to your perception of value and your budget. If you have more money in your accounts and you bring home more of what you make it will make it easier to justify that $1105.77 television set.

GT/MIT

December 9th, 2010
3:34 pm

ronald:

Never be shamed into justifying your success, as you can, many are patently envious of it.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
3:35 pm

George W-

The government can’t make an economy good and they can only make it marginally bad(excessively high taxation). However, when consumers quit spending, as a last resort the government is forced to spend. Thats the rules of a recession. In order to keep the flow of money in the economy, someone has to spend. It’s on the consumers to spur the economy. Its a supply and demand economy. We have the supply, we are lacking the demand. The tax cut extension really won’t matter. Before you fly off a handle, what I mean as what was proposed kept the rates for the midlle class the same…the majority of the spending happens in that class…there would have been little change in their rate of spending.
Poor people to spend money, rich people spend money but less frequently.

The cost and affordabilty factor is relative to my budget, however the problem with a recession is it forces people to examine their spending habits. Hence why the level of saving has gone up. I really don’t have any problem with the fair tax, i think it’s regressive but you can work on that, I just think in this climate, it’s unworkable.

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
3:35 pm

As a non-Republican (but also not a Democrat), I love how people always have to cast Republicans as racist. If you can implant that seed into the mind of someone with no knowledge of the situation, then it doesn’t matter what the Republican says. If you can make people think that Republicans are like Nazis and Fascists, then that’s even better. (nevermind the Nazis were the National Socialist Party and the fascists were big government near-socialists, both of which read leftists).

So well done, HDB at 2:13. You’ve truly struck a deathblow to any argument a conservative can muster.

Some People are stupid

December 9th, 2010
3:41 pm

Good Grief
Actually fascism took parts of both the left and the right.
And the Nazi’s were against both Socialism and Capitalism.
I know it’s weird with their name having socialist in it and all.

ButtHead

December 9th, 2010
3:43 pm

HDB, you8 could have just said FairTax.org..

Fix-It

December 9th, 2010
3:49 pm

I do believe that HDB, Granny and Kamchak all live in the same commune drink the same Kool-Aid; smoking the same bong and worshipping the government..

Kamchak's gerbil

December 9th, 2010
3:55 pm

Ever notice how Kamy goes away when I post on this blog?????

HDB

December 9th, 2010
3:59 pm

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you……
December 9th, 2010
2:47 pm

Lest you forget — it was conservatives that were the racists of the early 20th Century; it was conservatives that were against Civil Rights!! It was Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater that supported segregation — now, It’s Rand Paul!! It was LIBERALS that were against segregation…and that signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964! LIBERAL is derived from the verb “to liberate” — which means “to FREE; to EXPAND”…THAT’S where freedom comes from!!!

Please recheck your history….and your definitions!!

George W December 9th, 2010
2:47 pm

The preponderance of Democrats are NOT hypocritically pious (not saying that there are thoe who fit the definition!) nor shallow!! Both sides want the best for this nation; we just see different sides of the same coin!! Solutions for solving this nation’s ills will require BOTH sides to work together. In some cases, the liberal approach is the methodology; in others, the conservative….and for some, a hybrid of both!! The problem is that for many, they only view their SINGULAR approach as the only correct approach…..and that just isn’t the case!!

HDB

December 9th, 2010
4:02 pm

Fix-It
December 9th, 2010
3:49 pm

WRONG!! I’m flexible enough to look at multiple approaches…and know that there is NO singular method to solve any problem!! The Obama/GOP compromise is a good thing….just as health care reform is laso a good thing!!

The government can NOT solve all problems…but neither can JUST the private sector! It takes BOTH working in sync to make things work!!

HDB

December 9th, 2010
4:04 pm

ButtHead December 9th, 2010
3:43 pm

FAIR Tax won’t work…..all it is is just a tax SHIFT to the middle class!! What’s really needed is a progressive FLAT tax with the maximum optimaum rate at 39.5% (the Clinton rates)……..

NuckyThompson

December 9th, 2010
4:10 pm

Why is there no stories on Bishop Eddie Long’s admission of sleeping with the young men,that are suing him? I figured he was guilty. That’s why he is going to pay them millions outside of the court system.

GT/MIT

December 9th, 2010
4:15 pm

HDB

I remember that somewhere you posted this,”KEY things:Democrats still control the SENATE”,
So hows that working out for you bunkey?

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
4:16 pm

HDB @ 3:59-
Concerning your statement that conservatives were the party that stood against Civil Rights. The vote totals for the Civil Rigths Act of 1964 tell a bit different of a tale.

The originial House version saw the Democrats go 152 for, 96 against (61% – 39%). The Republicans went 138 for, 38 against (80% – 20%).

The original Senate version saw the Democrats vote 46 for, 21 against (69% – 31%), while the Republicans voted 27 for, six against (82% – 18%).

When the House voted on the Senate’s version, the Democrats voted 153 for, 91 against (63% – 37%, while the Republicans voted 136 for, 35 agaisnt (80% – 20%).

The only place where your argument holds any water is in a regional breakdown, but even then the Democrats do not fare well. In the South, House Democrats voted against the bill by a 93% to 7% margin. Southern House Republicans voted against the bill 100%, but there were a whopping 10 Southern House reps at the time.

In the Senate, southern Democrats voted against the bill by a 95% to 5% margin. Again, the southern Republicans in the Senate voted 100% against the bill. But there was only 1 senate Republican at the time.

So I can really see how conservatives stood against this bill. Boy, that’s a convincing case.

HDB

December 9th, 2010
4:26 pm

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
4:16 pm

Note what I stated: CONSERVATIVES: Prior to 1964, the conservatives were DEMOCRATS…and the liberals were Republicans!! After the passage of the Civil Rights Act by LBJ (a somewhat conservative Democrat), this was said: We’ve (the Democrats) have lost the South for a generation!! After 1964, the CONSERVATIVES left the Democratic Party and came to the GOP!!

THAT’S the point that many fail to recognize!!!

Tommy Maddox

December 9th, 2010
4:26 pm

The DADT Repeal just bombed in the Senate.

What a day…

HDB

December 9th, 2010
4:27 pm

Back in 1 hr…all!!

Good Grief

December 9th, 2010
4:30 pm

HDB -
I see your point, but I know several people who would disagree with your assessment of LBJ as a ’somewhat conservative Democrat.”

Peace, everyone. I’ve got other things to do. It’s been fun.

Libby

December 9th, 2010
4:38 pm

Oh my yes – how horribly we treat criminals! Tell ya what – you can send as many as you want to college or to live with you.

Fix-It

December 9th, 2010
4:38 pm

HDB, you need a history lesson, it was the GOP that pushed through the civil rights bill, the dimcrats tried to block it.

Fix-It

December 9th, 2010
4:38 pm

House Democrats Reject Tax Plan, the new party of NO

Fix-It

December 9th, 2010
4:41 pm

Many fail to recognize that ONLY the dimacrats would elect the Grand Wizard of the KKK, and keep him in office for 50 years….But the same loser liberals call for anybodies head that disagrees with them, how UN-democratic…

PhilH

December 9th, 2010
4:42 pm

GOP? I’m a VERY liberal Democrat, and I am opposed to the DREAM Act. Illegal immigration is bad for this country, and you have to be pretty insulated to not see this. If the DREAM Act passes, it will no doubt hurt American students. I think it is time that the government does what it promised in 1986, when Amnesty was given. Enforce the darn law! Stop illegal wars overseas, and bring our troops home to secure the borders. Democrats want votes, and Republicans want cheap labor. Considering the unemployment rate, how can we add more competition to the job market? What about the legal immigrants that had to go through hoops to get here, only to be shown that all they had to do was break our immigration laws and get a free pass? This is all nonsense, and must be stopped.

Fix-It

December 9th, 2010
4:43 pm

HDB, was Martin Luther King a racist? He was a republican….

Paddy O

December 9th, 2010
5:07 pm

Look at the ludicrousness of the headline for this article – HOW INCREDIBLY DEEP IS YOUR STUPIDITY? No wonder the Democrats in GA, and soon the entire Nation, are being kicked out of office – they are all a bunch of moronic, pollyanna Utopianist – who really want your tax money simply to enrich themselves.

Paddy O

December 9th, 2010
5:09 pm

Fair tax is crap – anyone here want to pay 30% on everything they buy? Including a new car, lawyer services, medical services, divorce activity? Part of fairness is ABILITY TO PAY to cost. The key is to REDUCE SPENDING – something these profoundly worthless Democrats & liberals are incapable of. Good riddance to those losers here in Georgia. AND, if Repubs can slash spending (EIC, foreign investment, farm subsidies, federal grants), the TEA party is ready to kick their butts out the door too.

Paddy O

December 9th, 2010
5:11 pm

5 years is a long time in Ms. Pollyanna’s universe? This is amnesty no matter how you spin it. However, I would concur that those who enlist in the military should have access to a “speedy” citizenship process.

Paddy O

December 9th, 2010
5:12 pm

DADT is good policy, and it is also Constitutional, if you bother reading the bloody document.

Paddy O

December 9th, 2010
5:15 pm

Losing power to the people sucks, eh, Ms. Queen of Democratic Liberalism? You have been effectively castrated – so your whining is even more shrill than typical. HAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAAA (on into infinity – yuk, yuk). Good bye into irrelevance!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 9th, 2010
5:42 pm

More than 50 percent of Americans say they are worse off now than they were two years ago when President Barack Obozo took office, and two-thirds believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, a Bloomberg National Poll shows.

Had enough?

Tom

December 9th, 2010
5:53 pm

None of these Congress men and women who lost in Nov 2010 should be allowed to vote on anything in this lame-duck time period. They have no accountability to the voters at this time. They should be required to leave office as soon as their lost their positions. This LAME-DUCK time period is chickenpoop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Matthews

December 9th, 2010
5:54 pm

They should all be in jail! There are no patriotic and productive illegals! They all are law breakers! You idiot liberals have no common sense!!

I'm with Stupid

December 9th, 2010
6:01 pm

HaHAHAHAHAHAHA….the Dems with overwhelming majorities had 2 YEARS to pass the Dream Act, repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, but they wait until a lame duck session of congress? And you say the GOP has turned it’s back? Then again, I don’t expect any different from CT.

Just say'in

December 9th, 2010
6:11 pm

CT- You keep using the term “tax cuts for the rich”. Actually it would be a tax increase if government failed to act. We have had the current tax rate for the last ten years. It’s all in the symantics isn’t it? Just like they are ILLEAGLE immigrants not undoccumented workers.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
6:19 pm

HDB

I read your nonsense about how you say that the parties flipped. Hillary Clinton said that she was a Progressive “like the progressives at the turn of the century.” THat was the people that encouraged the making of the movie “Birth of a Nation”. It was premiered inside the White House at the request of the progressive president, Woodrow Wilson. So Hilary Clinton openly admits that she is a progressive like the president that praised the movie that makes heros out of the KKK.

The Republicans haven’t changed their Policies since the 1950s. We still support integration, but the current democrats do not. But the Democrats support Segregation as is demonstrated over and over again in their attempts at keeping Blacks separate from Whites. Democrats openly cater to Blacks as a segment of our population, encouraging them to remain as a “block”, while Republicans encourage integration of Blacks into society.

Of course the most telling issue that proves beyond a doubt that the democrats are still the racist rats they have always been, democrats have been the leaders of Blacks since the civil rights movement, and look at the results.

You have two choices: The democrats have put the Black demographic in the mess they are in either because they are completely clueless, or it is because they intended to hold down the black demographic. Your choice. Do you think the democratic leadership are idiots, or do you believe they are smart. If they are smart, look at what they intentionally did. If they are idiots, what does that say about the people who continue to elect them to represent Blacks.

Democrats fight against improving inner city schools and also fight against busing and integration of schools. That’s not 1960, that was one of the first things Obama did when he moved into the White House.

Democrats fight to continue to cause any Black person hired to have their skills doubted by insisting on continuing the outdated affirmative action policies that have done nothing but continue to diminish the credibility of Black people.

Democrats continue to pass policies that encourage the decimation of the Black family.

Democrats follow the reverse eugenics teachings of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenhood who was convinced that abortions were the answer to keeping the black population under control.

From the website, BlackGenocide. org:

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the “black” and “yellow” peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Should I continue?

FYI

December 9th, 2010
6:27 pm

Your car is Japanese. Your beer is German. Your wine is Spanish.Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Colombian. Your tea is Chinese.Your watch is Swiss. Your fashion is French. Your shirt is Indian. Your shoelace Thai. Your radio is Korean. Your vodka is Russian. And then ………you complain your neighbor is an immigrant? Pull yourself together! if you are against Racism, DREAM Act NOW !!!!!

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
6:33 pm

FYI

And my girlfriend is Spanish. Grow a clue. It isn’t race, half-wit. It’s the fact that they are breaking our laws to be here.

Are you smart enough to understand that? Can your tiny little indoctrinated brain get it?

Nothing's homie.

December 9th, 2010
6:53 pm

Y-y-yeah, half-twit, it’s the factin’ that they be a breakin’ our local and regional statute and ordinances that have served the common good for so long.

James

December 9th, 2010
6:56 pm

fyi- your brain is from mars. I drink russian vodka so I should be an enabler of illegal immigration? all easy to tell those that are being or recently indoctrinated by a drunken professor.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
6:58 pm

Nothing’s homie.

- -Y-y-yeah, half-twit, it’s the factin’ that they be a breakin’ our local and regional statute and ordinances that have served the common good for so long.- -

You are that drunk, this early. Wow. you have a serious problem.

Nothing's homie.

December 9th, 2010
6:59 pm

and my girlfriend is pure Korean. She sleeps on the floor, man, and although 47, the floor has toned her body to look 18. Imagine the cartoon Lucy Liu character in kill bill when she finally grew up into the greatest hit man of all time or whatever she was. Hair, body identical, man.

What would I do to stem immigration after what I lucked in to? I’d put up a statue in the harbor in New York City that has a plaque that reads, “Send me your babes, your tired girls gone wild, your skank hoes, aw hell, just send your chicks.”

You lonely racist, bicurious nincompoops, who are obviously overconcerned with the purity of our precisou national bodily fluids can KissMyA(hole)!!!!

Morons

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
7:03 pm

Nothing’s homie.

Go somewhere and sleep it off. You’ve made enough of a fool of yourself.

Paddy O

December 9th, 2010
7:11 pm

ah, the intolerant liberal. would be an oxymoron except for that typical behavior thing.

Paddy O

December 9th, 2010
7:12 pm

homie – you under 30? if not, very sad.

Billybob

December 9th, 2010
7:22 pm

Same liberal template, different day. You are barely hanging on, eh Tucker? It’s fun to watch your biases and hatred fester into incoherent conservative ‘hit’ pieces daily. Keep talking so people can continue to learn the stark difference between far left liberal socialist ideals and conservatism. You are doing GREAT!!!

GT/MIT

December 9th, 2010
7:26 pm

HDB:

You must be young my friend as I believe you said this, “After 1964, the CONSERVATIVES left the Democratic Party and came to the GOP!! THAT’S the point that many fail to recognize!!!”

The reality is the democrats left the conservatives, and thats the point that you fail to recognize!!!

Ahh the ignorance of youth, I remember it well.

killerj

December 9th, 2010
7:31 pm

Poor 1400 hundred illegal,s sent back to mexico,1400 less votes for Obama,how sad.

James

December 9th, 2010
7:33 pm

Just give our citizenship away for two bits…..2 years of college or 2 years of military….right!!

Wilma

December 9th, 2010
7:43 pm

Dream is a sideshow. The real story, which Tucker makes no comment about is the willingness of the House Democrats to allow taxes to rise for virtually all taxpayers so that they can get their way. Even the President has agreed to a compromise but the house Democrats are real party of No. They are the party of selfish children who care about their socialist ideology and don’t give a fig for me or you.

Francis

December 9th, 2010
7:47 pm

The only immigration law that should be demanded is to make illegal entrance into the United States a felony, with no excuses and no exceptions. This includes businesses that are twice caught hiring illegal workers, should be subject to a harsh fine, confiscation of business assets and after the second conviction–prison. It’s blatantly obvious to me, that for years Washington has deceived the American people of both political parties. There has been no intention of enforcing immigration laws and this is proven without doubt. If illegal immigration had severe consequences, such as the above penalties the only enforcement program needed would be E-Verify mandated for every business owner. The majority of other restriction tools needed to halt the free flow of desperate, destitute people would radically decline; knowing that you would be convicted of a class “A” felony would collapse the ongoing flow.

This would be huge disincentive to economic foreign nationals crossing our borders, or using the excuse of being a tourist, fully aware they are not leaving once their visa runs out. No! There has been no true intention of halting illegal aliens coming here for work, or to commit crimes. Both Democrats and Republicans have remained impassive to the invasion, whether its 13 million or 20 million foreigners who have skirted our laws; of course that’s according which side of the Washington chambers you are inclined to believe? Over thirty years of government neglect has brought this nightmare upon us, of incessant crimes against lawful citizens and permanent residents. Americans land owners living in constant fear along the 2000 miles of mostly unprotected border. Both political parties irrationally forget who pays their salaries and pensions while American find their wages sinking and the majority of Social programs of having to share these entitlements with illegal labor and their families.

Around the country, we have activist judges who ignore the US constitution and instead construe the law according to personal political orientation. Even now Arizona is under bombardment from open border radicals, or pro business entities, who do not want this Border States policing laws to be upheld. Then again the IRS is complicit in allowing illegal aliens to squat here, by issuing ITIN numbers, as foreigners cannot possess a real Social Security card. Over the last ten years we have seen an escalation in ID theft, with the courts saying this is not classed as a felony. Another un-exaggerated point is that illegal alien workers are collecting billions of dollars in income tax refunds, for children who don’t exist or filing for the same child twice by each parent. For those people who believe that this is an embellishment, one only has to Google key words–illegal alien costs; illegal alien income tax refunds.

The are highly regarded reports on the expenditures of federal, state and county support of foreign nationals, that you as the taxpayer is erroneously paying. Sanctuary States like California under Liberal progressive control in Sacramento is depleting the state of billions of dollars, as they subsidize the millions in just Los Angeles County alone? The schools are in turmoil from overcrowding of children of illegal families, who by mandated law must be educated. In understaffed county hospitals have become places of last resort, for the multitudes of foreign nationals who live below the poverty line, so they are dependent on taxpayers. California has become an incubator for hundreds of thousands of illegal pregnant females, who collect under their new citizens-babies, namely billions of more dollars soaked from you and me.

Their children are a valuable commodity, because our 14th amendment law has been with intent compromised, so that children of illegal aliens are issued food stamps, low income housing and a large profusion of cash payment and other freebies. These illegal women are already aware that once the stand on our soil, that the US taxpayer will support them and all their children. Until we halt the illegal immigration occupation of this country, we a steadily heading for a irrevocable overpopulation. It should be remembered for every legal or illegal immigrant who settles here, brings many more immediate relation group follows. Every year millions come to America who already has a legal or illegal family member, who offers either a safe haven or an affidavit of support; who they sponsor. When an illegal alien is caught along the border, the US agents ask that individual where are they are going.

The majority answer I have a brother, or uncle in Denver, Salt Lake City or other major hub, who has a job for me. This is almost a perpetual loop of the same story over and over again. Alas, there is not enough room to explain what is happening around America ITS AN FINANCIAL catastrophe. ? Why should US citizens have to compete with foreign nationals? Why should legal construction workers or a laborer in any other job, have to compete with Contractors who hire foreign workers? When is this injustice to the American population going to end? Remember that–CHAIN MIGRATION–puts the United States in serious peril, even more so than the original sponsors. Learn much more about the OVERPOPULATION and its risks to the environment, infrastructure and quality of life at NumbersUSA The Dream Act in itself not a menace, although at least a 800.000 students would be eligible if they abide by the law?

The major problem that once legalized over how many years, they could bring in a whole spectrum of family. Chain migration has silently snowballed from the 1986 Immigration bill. Since that law was passed the Congress has quietly passed six amnesties, without any explanation, while at the same time admitting over a million new legal immigrants a year through a lottery of specific working visas. The Dream Act if passed is just another stealth type back door amnesty. Hopefully in our future—the TEA PARTY—will put an end to this serious pretense of each administration supposedly working for the populace.

Guy Wire

December 9th, 2010
8:24 pm

“GOP turns its back on patriotic and productive illegal immigrants”

Cynthia you blithering idiot, patriotic illegal immigrant is an oxymoron. Patriots do not deliberately break the nation’s laws.

Let these young illegal Democrats go through the normal, established procedure to attain U.S. citizenship. I could make an exception for honorable service in the U.S. military. But just for going to school on the taxpayers’ dime…no way Jose.

kevinbgoode

December 9th, 2010
8:29 pm

puhleeze – the GOP has turned its back on everyone but the 25 percent they insist should be the ruling elite.

lynnie gal

December 9th, 2010
8:37 pm

The GOP can block legislation all it wants, for two more years, that is. Democrats should resist, not give in to their demands and let them finish the job they started ten years ago–wreck the country and ruin the lives of the middle class and poor. Once every American is on their knees begging for help,(except the rich, of course) and the GOP turns their backs again and again on their suffering, they will be praying to get the Democrats back. The GOP’s days are numbered not only because of their behavior but because their demographic is primarily over 50 years old. The trap for Democrats is to enable them and not resist them. The Dream Act, DADT, healthcare reform, it’s all coming, it just might be delayed for a while. But eventually the old, white-haired, narrow-minded McCarthyist-racists from the 1940’s and 50’s will die and the world will finally change for the better.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
8:39 pm

kevinbgoode

So they absolutely slaughtered the democrats on Nov. second with only 25% of Americans behind them.

Do tell.

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
8:40 pm

lynnie gal

Let me guess . . . Liberals arts.

Really bad at math.

Am I right?

Nothing Is Free

December 9th, 2010
8:56 pm

lynnie gal

By the time we are dead, you will be over 50 and by then you will wise up, well maybe not you, but most people will wise up and understand the basic math skills required to understand why liberalism won’t work.

oldguy (certified narrowminded base)

December 9th, 2010
9:05 pm

dream act? are you dreaming?!? So you are telling me it is OK to ignore the law if you are “deserving” Thanks, I was wondering how to justify avoiding all possible Taxes “cynthia said it was OK” works for me.
Once again….What part of “Illegal” don’t you understand.
p.s. Like many conservatives I believe in fair play ….therefore I believe we should take our policy verbatum from Mexico….adapt their immigration policies (read em and weep liberals!)

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 9th, 2010
9:10 pm

Apart from the near-term economic damage, the stakes in this debate are highest for Mr. Obama. In November voters repudiated the policies of his first two years, but the polls show a reservoir of respect for him as a leader. If he can be pounded into retreat by a soon-to-be-former Speaker whose approval rating is barely north of 10%, Mr. Obama is headed for the unhappy resting place for failed Presidencies known as Carterville.

Aahhh, self castration.

Ouch, just sayin…

Kamchak

December 9th, 2010
10:35 pm

Wow, a derisive opinion piece from a Murdoch rag.

Whodathunkit.

old-timer

December 9th, 2010
11:09 pm

Illegal is illegall..wht do people not understand…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 10th, 2010
6:05 am

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is considering a call early next year for an overhaul of the income tax code to lower rates and raise revenues in what would be his first major effort to begin addressing the long-term growth of the national debt, advisers said Thursday. -Urinal

I had to rub my eyes.

Democrats dig in against tax deal -Urinal

Oh, I get it, obozo can be the second coming of Ronald Reagan in double speak only, a real life babbling Laffer Curve, he can trickle down all over himself and the liberals will always be there to rescue him from his attacks of common sense.

Kinda like the little child always getting in trouble because he knows it’s mommy will save him.

TnGelding

December 10th, 2010
8:09 am

We have to go to a consumption tax to tap into the underground and downright criminal economic activity in this country. No more tinkering with the current maze. It’s simply too complicated and costly to compy with.

TnGelding

December 10th, 2010
8:13 am

Why do you Christians have to continue to flog Jimmy? Especially after the disasters that followed him you supported.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

December 10th, 2010
8:49 am

TnGelding
December 10th, 2010
8:13 am

I don’t think the floggings are limited to Christians. Carter was a flop, period.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

December 10th, 2010
8:50 am

TnGelding
December 10th, 2010
8:09 am

You mean like a national sales tax in lieu of income tax? If so, I’m interested.

Paddy O

December 10th, 2010
8:58 am

leg – what % would this sales tax be? A minimum of 23%, most likely 30% – and applied to all services also, – medical, surveying, legal. NOT a good idea.

HDB

December 10th, 2010
9:01 am

Nothing Is Free
December 9th, 2010
6:19 pm

Interesting points….but here’s what you fail to note:

1) Republicans HAVE changed since 1950. Prior to the Civil Rights Act, black people voted primarily for the GOP…but when the Southern Democrats crossed over into the GOP, they took a racist paradigm with them. Note how many black elected officials have been elected as Republicans in the modern era? (Answer: 5)

2) You’ve stated that Democrats have pandered to black people; Republicans have IGNORED them!! Note how Republicans are CUTTING education spending…the primary pathway for black progress! Note how Republicans do not come to tbhe inner cities to ask for black votes; note how Republicans are not addressing black issues!!!

3) You state that Affirmative Action marginalizes black people…but the examples you place forth are those who used Affirmative Action to PROGRESS (Clarence Thomas and Colin Powell, for examples).

4) People keep stating that MLK was a Republican, but fail to note that he was transitioning to change parties when JFK/RFK had him released from the Birmingham jail!!

Shall I continue……??

GT/MIT December 9th, 2010
7:26 pm

Thank you for thinking I’m younger (I’m in my late 50s…but feel younger!)!!

gator24

December 10th, 2010
9:07 am

Why should the Republicans do anything other than what they done over the last two years which is to obstruct or say no. They won the election of 2010 and probably will win the 2012 elections also. The whining Democrats failed to show up at the poles, so this is what you get when you let the Bully think he or she has succeeded

Mala Cori

December 10th, 2010
9:33 am

The dream act doesn’t make sense. Why would we reward people involved in illegal activity? My parents waited 10 years for the appropriate immigration paperwork to clear before coming to the US. I’d be ashamed of them if they did it any other way. I’m sorry that the childen of illegal parents chose this path for them, but if I had a children, I would never subject or put them in a position where they have no status no matter what country I was in. My parents waited until their late 30’s to have children in the US (after coming here legally) to ensure we had a good life. Why is the government focused on rewarding criminal illegal activity, but wants to punish ‘high achievers’ (i.e. the bad and dirty rich)…?

Not Chicken Little

December 10th, 2010
10:41 am

The headline instead should read, “Dims abandon rule of law and welcome illegals to pander for votes”…

Cynthia Tucker is one of those liberals on whom you can count – whatever she says, just do the opposite and you know you’ll be right!

avon

December 10th, 2010
11:07 am

ct & al sharpton–2 genes of the same coin!

Tina Simms

December 10th, 2010
11:19 am

What part of giving smart young people a hand up do some of you not understand?

Mr Herb

December 10th, 2010
11:26 am

CT, will you ever learn? Mindless comments such as “(The GOP) only wants to satisfy its rich backers (witness its fealty to keeping tax cuts for the rich)” are so counterproductive and only serve to demostrate your complete ignorance of economics, or your flagrant meaness and willingness to lie in order to attack your ideological opponents.

The facts are that the GOP, and rightly so, are steadfastly against RAISING taxes on the “rich” for we know that 2/3 of those rich are small business owners and we know that 3/4 of all the new jobs created in the USA are in small businesses. So the comination of these FACTS lead the meanest of intellect to the inevitable conclusion that raising taxes on the “rich” drives down the economy, causes a loss of jobs, AND CAUSES THE GREATEST HARDSHIPS TO FALL UPON THE WORKING POOR. What you advocate, my dear CT, does not particularly harm the “rich”, as they only tighten their belt. But what you advocate is an absolute killer for the little guy–the poor working stiff on the lower end of the income pole.

So, the facts are, CT, that the GOP is working on behalf of the working poor, and you are calling for a direct assault on that same group. The hypocrisy of your position is breathtaking.

A Freborg

December 10th, 2010
11:28 am

I’ve got an idea Cyndi,

Why not just give Harvard degrees to students who sit in on classes and don’t pay tuition or take the exams … obviously such students show ambition and character, and the enrolled students shouldn’t be so selfish and exclusive

WallyG

December 10th, 2010
11:36 am

Are the democrats so desperate for votes they need to open the flood gates of every 3rd worlder with no skills, no future and no value to come here and VOTE DEM on day one. Democrats are on a decades long goal to turn America into Haiti!