What happens to workers when jobs leave for good?

WASHINGTON — Over the last year, out-of-work Americans, already down on their luck, have had to endure a barrage of unsympathetic, even mean-spirited, criticism from several of their elected representatives. Many Republicans, especially, have portrayed the jobless as either shiftless deadbeats too lazy to look for work or pompous failures too proud to take a job beneath their social standing.

Neither analysis is an accurate reflection of the desolate landscape in which many American workers find themselves. Surely those Republicans know that the unemployment rate has been stuck near ten percent for a year and a half; there are about five applicants for every job opening.

And, as Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said recently on “60 Minutes,” we’re unlikely to see a flush economy for several more years. That’s because the recent recession, brought on by Wall Street excesses, isn’t the only culprit.

For decades now, globalization and technology have been grinding away at American jobs, a process which has gained speed of late. And most of those jobs are never coming back.

Take my southern Alabama hometown. Best known as the  setting for Harper Lee’s “To Kill a Mockingbird,” it was never a prosperous place, but its textile mills and pulpwood plants used to provide a decent living for working-class residents.

The textile company now known as VF Corporation brought factories to Monroeville in the 1930s, providing paychecks to women (mostly) from the white working-class. By the 1970s, black women were also employed at its sewing machines, making Vanity Fair underwear sold in well-known department stores.

By the 1980s, Parsons & Whittemore Enterprises, one of the world’s largest producers of pulp for paper-making, was operating several mills in Monroe County. Its Alabama River Companies became the local standard for good wages. In 2000, Medline, a huge manufacturer and distributor of health care products and hospital scrubs, opened a small facility that seemed to promise a semblance of security.

But times have changed. The sewing mills have largely moved to low wage countries such as Vietnam and Bangladesh. Medline closed its Monroeville facility, though it has expanded its operations in Mexico and other locales.

For its part, the pulp business has been buffeted by such disparate technology-related trends as the decline of newspapers (a huge consumer of newsprint) and the rise of digital cameras (which circumvent the old print-snapshots-on paper habit). Plants have been shuttered and workers laid off. Some may eventually be re-hired, but many will not find work again that pays as well.

While the state of Alabama has an unemployment rate of 8.9 percent, lower than the national average, Monroe County has an unemployment rate of about 16 percent. Its jobless residents can knock on doors, submit applications and spend countless hours in re-training classes at the local community college, but most are unlikely to find work any time soon. If your job experience is limited to cutting and dying at a textile mill, you’ll find it difficult to remake yourself as a nurse or a computer technician.

The prospects for Monroeville’s jobless workers won’t be transformed by the deal that President Obama has struck with Republican leaders, who insisted on maintaining Bush-era tax cuts for the richest Americans. The owners of textile plants are unlikely to decide that southern Alabama has suddenly become better for business than Brazil. Nor will the hiring plans at Georgia Pacific, which bought Parsons & Whittemore’s Monroe County holdings, change because its executives keep more money in their pockets.

The best news for the unemployed all over the country is that Obama managed to wrest a year-long extension of unemployment benefits out of the deal. For those workers who have nothing else, that’s the difference between eating and going hungry, paying the heating bill and sitting in the cold.

Indeed, Congress — despite its deficit hawks and its compassion-less conservatives — needs to reconsider the old idea that unemployment benefits are a short-term lifeline that is dropped after a recession ends. This was no ordinary recession; it is an earthquake that is destroying the old economy and creating a new one in its wake.

The victims of those tectonic shifts — especially workers too old to learn a new skill or move to a new city – may need long-term, government-funded assistance. It’s not their fault that the ground suddenly shifted beneath their feet.

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dougmo2

December 8th, 2010
8:08 am

first-horray

Call it like it is

December 8th, 2010
8:09 am

OMG, What a spin, Companies want open plants in poe-dunk Alabama because the Republicans wanted tax cuts. Really!! So with your logic if the tax cuts went away, plants would start opening back up in rural areas. Am I sorry for those without jobs? Yes. Can the country keep on paying enemployment forever? NO. There are jobs out there Tucker. May not be what they want, may not get the money they want, but sometimes you do have to start over and its a struggle.

are there no prisons; are there no workhouses?

December 8th, 2010
8:09 am

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Class of '98

December 8th, 2010
8:12 am

If you subsidize something, you get more of it.

That’s the way it works, whether you like it or not, Cynthia.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 8th, 2010
8:13 am

Dear CT, Joseph Schumpeter answered your question decades ago. You should ask the displaced buggy-whip factory workers what they did. Hint: they did not go home and sit.

dean

December 8th, 2010
8:14 am

“…tax cuts for the richest Americans…”

I am not one of the richest Americans, but I have benefited because of the lower taxes.

Of course since I have worked-hard-for the last 44 years (definitely not rich) that probably makes me The Enemy.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 8th, 2010
8:15 am

And, contrary to the writing of our hostess, the best news for the unemployed is that the country is taking a diversion from Obamanomics. One step at a time, we can rebuild from the disastrous Congressional policies of the past four years.

Class of '98

December 8th, 2010
8:16 am

By the way, not one person in this country will see their taxes “cut” on January 1st due to the agreement yesterday.

The current tax rate will stay in place, there will be no cuts, not even for the “richest Americans”.

This is just another way the liberal media twists words to deceive.

dougmo2

December 8th, 2010
8:20 am

“That’s because the recent recession, brought on by Wall Street excesses”

Uh wrong, the recession was brought on by the housing market collapsing. This was caused by pressure being put on banks to give loans to people who had NO WAY to repay them. The main ones who underwrote thes loans, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, were under enormous political pressure to underwrite these loans. You can thank Barney Frank and Chris Dodd for this.

Fixed that for you CT, you’re welcome

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
8:22 am

Speaking of spin, deception and foolishiness…extending the current tax cuts from the scheduled INCREASE that the Republicans put into effect is a tax cut which results in NO increase. A stupid idiotic plan but a Tax Cut nonetheless. But nice to blame the liberal media for telling the truth….I am sure Fox can lie to you some more.

Jimmy62

December 8th, 2010
8:23 am

It’s called creative destruction. The workers can move elsewhere where there are jobs, that’s how it’s worked for a long time in a dynamic economy. I guess in your world, cars are bad because they killed the cart business?

Also, tax cuts had nothing to do with our current economic troubles, or have you forgotten the mortgage mess? So raising taxes is unlikely to fix anything caused by something unrelated to taxes.

James

December 8th, 2010
8:24 am

CT- you are, as usual, completely wrong. (India) Asia has an almost hyper inflationary wage base that, coupled with American technology and know how, 4-6 weeks in shipping, 12 hour time differentials, is leading manufacturing back to the great old USA. Goods that were manufactured in Asia 4-6 years ago are now being manufactured in the South and Central America. We are currently breaking down a Costa Rican operation and bringing into the City of Atlanta. Guess what, contrary to what you would like to think, there are plenty of Americans ready and willing to work for 15-18/hour + benefits.

Quit hanging around the DC elite, quit writing insane blogs, roll up your sleeves, and be an enabler. To those who are given more, more is expected.

Bob Hayes

December 8th, 2010
8:24 am

Cynthia: You really have a bad time with conservatives. My question is this: Why must liberals get personal in their discussions of conservatives? Oh, yes. Now I remember. When you have no ideas of your own you must get personal when you mention the enemy. Now some facts, Cynthia, which liberals hate to see mentioned: If it were not for conservative charitable giving the homeless problem would be three times as great. If we depended on liberal charitable giving to help the homeless, the homeless problem would be three times as great. Thank God we have conservatives, some of whom go to church on Sunday and then give their hard earned money (that’s money you work for, even when the job is beneath your qualifications) to help those in need. Check out a well-documented survey of the 150 largest cities in America which attempted to determine the level of giving in each city. The one that ranked at the bottom was Austin, Texas, one of the most liberal cities in America. Kudos to all you loving, charitable, and delusional liberals. As Casey Stengel used to say, “You can look it up.”

James

December 8th, 2010
8:25 am

Keep Up the Good Fight- I have this picture of you playing the theme to Rocky while you air box Greta every night while sipping a martini- go do something productive dude.

Class of '98

December 8th, 2010
8:27 am

I haven’t watched Fox News in months. I think for myself. Try it sometime.

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
8:32 am

Guess what, contrary to what you would like to think, there are plenty of Americans ready and willing to work for 15-18/hour + benefits

Yes, there are a lot of people willing to work for minimum wage, part time and would love benefits…because they are hard workers who want to pay their way and want more than a life on temporary unemployment. Too bad that there are no enough jobs for all of them or that for many of them that they may not be able to do more than survive long term on those wages.

Mr. Hayes…I dont know what world you live in but frankly I know a lot of liberals who give to charitable causes….Frankly I have seen too many opulent churches which do more to line the pockets of their church leaders than to help those in need.

Mystified

December 8th, 2010
8:32 am

The paper mill thing goes the way of the buggy whip. As a democrat,,,,I thought you’d be happy about that.. Aren’t we all about saving the trees? As for the factories..I view this two ways. When democrats raise the minimum wage to an unsustainable high, this is what happens. Entry level jobs were never meant to be a “living wage”. On the flip side of that same theory however, I fully support tariffs to level the playing field. The standard of living in other countries is far below what we, as Americans, are willing to accept…even for our “poor”. A company with an incentive to save on production costs is enticed to move their plants to these countries. Otherwise, they can’t compete with competition who has already made the move. I believe in free market competition but I also believe it is the responsibility of government to protect the jobs of American citizens. When it becomes more profitable to have a plant in Opp Alabama than in Bangladesh, companies will make the free market choice of moving back. The question is do people really want to work these manufacturing jobs anymore.

granny godzilla

December 8th, 2010
8:33 am

quod erat demonstrandum

December 8th, 2010
8:33 am

When my job “went away” so did I – I moved to where my new job was. I didn’t stay waiting for a job to reappear.

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
8:35 am

Nice comeback Class-less….Too bad your post did not reflect intelligent thought in its deception.

James… really don’t dream of me. I am not that in to you. :-(

andygrdzki

December 8th, 2010
8:35 am

Ms. Tucker, it is not their fault that the ground has shifted, however, it is their fault that many have not kept current to improve their lot in life. Government funded assistance is not the fix all answer that you and many like you espouse too.
As a nation, we have become a “feel good” society. If it feels good do it, if it does not feel good don’t do it. We spend way too many hours in front of the TV, WII, game box, and other non-improvement programs. As a nation, the current PISA scores were released, and the US ranks 17th in reading, 27th in science and 31st in math. Instead of government assistance, how about we change our own behaviors.
Depending on who you talk to, or the requirements, I am considered a Senior Citizen. I don’t sit back and gaze at the TV, I don’t play the games on the computer… I learn, I expand my mind (not by drugs either) and I make the effort to learn.
All we do is continue to throw money at problems, and what has been our rate of return? Not very good!!! As a nation, we have become lazy and lack the drive of our forefathers. Compassionless conservatives…. So typical of you liberal people, don’t accept any type of personal responsibility.. let big brother take care of you…. I am very compassionate for those that help themselves…. Oh my what a novel idea, help yourself and show some gumption……
Tonight as I enjoy my wine and cheese before dinner and discuss with my wife the day’s events and our children and grandchildren, guess what, I will not feel bad and I will not let you try and lay a guilt trip on me…. I have taken care of those that help themselves… I have taught them something new….
So as I drink my wine, you can have your “whine”………..

Mystified

December 8th, 2010
8:36 am

Bob Hayes…

A republican and democrat are walking together through a park. The republican sees a homeless man; takes out his wallet and gives him a $20. The democrat likes this idea. When they see another homeless man, the democrat reaches over; takes the republican’s wallet out and hands out another 20 and feels real good about himself for being so charitable.

Joel Edge

December 8th, 2010
8:37 am

I’d say we’ll have what we have now. Been going on for the last 15 or so years. Where you been?

Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as plaeo-neo-Carlinist

December 8th, 2010
8:38 am

to paraphrase Patton; “patriotism is not dying for your country. patriotism is when you make the other SOB die for HIS country.” we need to think about “jobs” the same way. there is no Constitutional right to a job. the government does not “create jobs”. the government employees millions of Americans, but these “jobs” are also (finanicial). in the private sector (’the market”), an employer assumes the cost of hiring because he believes the employee will produce more goods/services than the costs (salary/benefits). when the government gets “under water” as an employer, it simply raises the debt ceiling or prints more money, but in the private sector, the employeer reduces costs, and “headcount” (lay offs) is usually the first (this includes outsourcing or off-shoring jobs). as my new name implies, the United States is, and most likely has always been a capitalist plutocracy. I think the Founding Fathers on the “Federalist” side knew this, and planned this. any plutocracy needs a healthy, employed (discrectionary income) “unwashed masses” to operate the machines, harvest the food, and do the accounting, but the economy is now global and the U.S. plutocracy is now competing in a global plutocracy, so the corporate ownership class has less use for the governing class, beyond legislation

Union

December 8th, 2010
8:41 am

when someone tells me they are going to do something and they dont do it.. I fault them.

president obama was elected because he had a “plan” just like healthcare reform.. the “plan” was never really disclosed. The dems have had control for several years and when obama came into office.. it was a clean sweep. while the economy was spinning down.. the dems focused on healthcare reform.. while americans were losing their jobs and companies were shutting down.. dems focused on healthcare.. now that the dam has burst and the hole is to big for a finger to plug.. instead of looking to the people that has been our leadership.. we chose to blame everyone but who was in control.

talk about faulty logic.. we are truly a blameless society..

Eddie

December 8th, 2010
8:45 am

I have an idea to help with the unemployment rate. We have the long term unemployed trained as immigration officers and bus drivers. Then we actually let them do their job, and the new bus drivers give them a ride home. This helps by creating jobs in bus driving and ICE, as well as manufacturing in buses.

cas

December 8th, 2010
8:45 am

I would like the names of those mean spirited republicans and their exact quotes referring to the actual unemployed as shiftless deadbeats.A rational person should believe those heartless conservatives may be more interested in which part of the budget we would shift the funds from so we may actually assist those sincerely needy Americans. Unlike my household where we have a finite amount each month and when one area requires more we must take from something else our democrat friends believe we simply make more or borrow more cash when needed. Unemployment funds are intended to bridge those while seeking employment and as Europe has discovered infinite unemployment is simply another form of welfare and that may or may not be open ended for some recipients. You can portray this issue as the warm caring democrats versus the cold heartless republicans if you want to fire up class conflict or you can be rationally productive and admit we have a need to fund extensions with the elimination of true pork barrel programs and possibly other programs that painfully must be deemed less valuable than extending services to our people in true need. But we must prioritize especially during difficult times. Economic triage. But of course that takes more work and less politics.

TnGelding

December 8th, 2010
8:46 am

Well, if they’re too old to learn a new skill (are you ever, really?), they should be old enough to retire and start drawing Social Security. Maybe we could dip into the SS “trust fund” and move the age up to 60 instead of moving it higher. Oh, I forgot, we’ve invested that in F-22s.

Cynthia, keeping the tax cuts for the wealthiest among us didn’t make any sense while running these huge deficits, but it won’t cause us to lose any jobs and it might even save a few. But why aren’t you willing to pitch in your “fair share?” I am, and I’m certain you are better off financially than we are.

Dave R.

December 8th, 2010
8:46 am

“What happens to workers when jobs leave for good?”

They become Democrats and hold their hand out. :)

shaggy

December 8th, 2010
8:47 am

CT,

Sorry, that is life. No guarantees.
Some could move to where there are more jobs or take whatever job they can find, go to school, and learn skills that would be applicable to the current workforce. Nobody says it would be easy.
Yes, it is certainly harder than taking the government hand out for the rest of your life, and I am betting the handout, funded by those evil rich people, would be your solution.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 8th, 2010
8:49 am

Union.. the dems focused on healthcare? Guess the stimulus bill and TARp (started by Bush and the followed up by Obama) were just my imagination.

But really this effort time and time again to “blame” by ignoring the reality of the fillibuster and the inability to get the 60 votes to get by the Party of No lockstep march to the destruction of the country is quite entertaining (very sad too).

Owl

December 8th, 2010
8:50 am

Nancy Pelosi has been running this show since January 7, 2007. Amazing how blameless she is of all of our woes today. Reading CT, she must have been grossly ineffective- let’s hope some new leadership will improve things.

Jan

December 8th, 2010
8:51 am

CT – I am reminded of an earlier column of yours about trying to hire men in your hometown to help with a construction job. I seem to recall you concluding that perhaps the men of your town did not, in fact, want to work.

The manufacturing job base will always move. Look at Hong Kong. The manufacturing base has moved in concentric circles further into China. As each “circle” becomes more affluent, the types of jobs in that “circle” shift.

Also paper mills aren’t ubiquitous anymore. We recycle paper, use email more than paper letters…. Society is never at a standstill and the people of Alabama need to realise that and adapt. Your’re right is isn’t their fault the ground shifted, no more than it’s my neighbors fault the tree fell on his car. But you roll with the punches, find new work. Maybe you can’t retrain as a nurse. Are you willing to provide child care or yard work for those who are working as nurses? (see paragraph #1)

Plutarch

December 8th, 2010
8:51 am

and on a little note

all started with…..Reagan

that’s Reagan, the Republican Party’s Green Bean Casserole…showy, overrated and a lame attempt to make it look like you did something good

shaggy

December 8th, 2010
8:52 am

James,

Great post. Spot on!

Union

December 8th, 2010
8:52 am

keep. sorry you have such a selective memory.. maybe vitamins or something would help with that?

War Eagle

December 8th, 2010
8:53 am

This is Obama and the Democrats fault.

jt

December 8th, 2010
8:53 am

Who wants to start a business in a country that has the highest percentage of lawyers, an intrusive corrupt government that sets an unrealistic minimum wage and doesn’t respect private property rights, and an intolerable Tax-code?

Cheaper wages was only a small part of the reason Industry fled the US.

Progressive policies was the main reason. The Progressives have “helped” 20 million people out of a job.

Chris D.

December 8th, 2010
8:55 am

What a sad world Ms. Tucker lives in where people get to a certain age and their brains are incapable of learning new skills. I wonder what age she believes this to be? 45-50?

MiltonMan

December 8th, 2010
8:56 am

CT, I also grew up in south Alabama living on a farm. When I go home people are always playing the “victim” card and are blaming everyone else but themselves and the decisions they made. Like you, I attended college & this open more doors than I ever imagined. The economy today is one where a college degree is almost mandatory to obtain a decent paying job.

War Eagle

December 8th, 2010
8:56 am

Liberals are only generous when they have their hands in the pockets of someone else.

Stonethrower

December 8th, 2010
8:57 am

Most folks who have there hand out are republican not democrat.

Cynthias an Idiot

December 8th, 2010
8:58 am

Read the name.

granny godzilla

December 8th, 2010
8:59 am

War Eagle

December 8th, 2010
9:00 am

“The victims of those tectonic shifts — especially workers too old to learn a new skill or move to a new city – may need long-term, government-funded assistance. It’s not their fault that the ground suddenly shifted beneath their feet.”

When does one become too old to learn? or move?
With the proposed extension, unemployment payments will exceed 3 years. Is that long term? or does it need to be endless in your world?

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:02 am

Brilliant Tucker

When i see you post a pro-corporate post, then your diatribe about the “poor worker” will begin to have a little credibility.

We don’t have jobs because YOUR party has declared war on business.

All there are are government jobs and we all know who gets those.

You guys ran corporations to other countries and now we are stuck here listening to the fricking whining.

But then again, what else to liberals do but whine?

shaggy

December 8th, 2010
9:02 am

CT,

Yes, I agree with other posters and want to know when if to old to learn?

You really need to elaborate on that one, maybe cite some empirical reviewed research to thet effect.

Offshored

December 8th, 2010
9:03 am

It’s really not the government’s fault. It’s all our fault. We would rather buy cheap clothes made in Asia then quality clothes made in America. We would rather buy cheap computers and talk to the help desk in India, than spend the money for a better quality product. As an employee of a high tech company, I’ve seen more and more jobs shipped to India, Brazil, and Eastern Europe. My employer had almost no presence in India 15 years ago. Last year they reported having 70,000 employees there. This year they decided not to publish any geographic employment statistics due to the negative publicity. As long as we are willing to buy cheap foreign made goods (that includes oil) and allow our US corporations ship our jobs overseas, the trend will continue. At some point, as their economies rise and ours falls, the playing field will be leveled and we’ll get our minimum wage jobs back. Then we can produce goods for them.

Vinny

December 8th, 2010
9:04 am

Oh Cynthia, you are such a complete ditz.

The high corporate tax rate in the U.S. has driven manufacturers and companies overseas along with the jobs.

Implement the Fair Tax and the jobs will return.

Martin the Calvinist

December 8th, 2010
9:05 am

Cynthia, my family makes less than 45,000 a year, I like the current tax rates. They should be made permanent. Or we can have a true tax reform bill, sorry off topic. My family of four has a home, two cars, and two very happy children. The “very wealthy” are not the only ones benefiting from this compromise, we are too. Personally, I don’t care how much money my neighbor makes, or the guy who can afford 2 million dollar homes, none of my business. I wish you would open your eyes and see that the Democratic party has a huge part in our economic demise and it’s the policies they advocate that have helped drive businesses overseas. Our real problem is that we spend way too much as a nation than we take in in tax revenue. That is a Republican and a Democratic problem! You should be more willing to criticize your own party as well. They are to blame as well.

Pablo

December 8th, 2010
9:06 am

Cynthia:

You waited until the second sentence of your column today to start blaming republicans for what ails this Nation. You must be having a slow start today…

TallaDawg

December 8th, 2010
9:07 am

I do not agree or even find accurate everything in this article, but one important thing is true: until we stop exporting working-class jobs, there will be no recovery.

The comments on this blog demonstrate the main problem with our country now. It is only about “us” and “them.” If we do not learn to compromise, truly what used to make our system great, we will ALL sink. The compromise between Obama and the congessional Republicans is not perfect, but it shows a glimmer of hope for the process. We must work together.

shaggy

December 8th, 2010
9:08 am

I must agree with Vinny. If Fair Tax is enacted, the US of A will RAPIDLY become THE place to do business on the planet, and no IRS to boot.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:09 am

Offshored

Sure. We all WANT to shop at Walmart. We live for AZIO TV sets when the new Sony 3D HD sets are available but we actually want the cheaper stuff.

I actually want a Chevy that is built the way cars were built in 1976, where they are ready for the junk pile after 100 K miles, but cost even more than cars being produced in robotic factories: much better cars that last for half a million miles.

Sure, it is our fault.

Good Grief

December 8th, 2010
9:10 am

MiltonMan – In my experience, my college degree actually was a detriment to finding a job at first. Many places I went to said I was over-qualified for the job I was applying for.

As for CT’s question: I suppose the federal government should step in and keep those workers afloat, right? They should just take money from that evil, filthy rich top 5% or so (who cares if they earned it? at this point they’ve made enough) and give it to a group that really deserves it: democratic voters (or do you consider that to be a code word for something?).

Equality 7-2521

December 8th, 2010
9:10 am

If you want jobs to return Cynthia, you know what needs to be done. Restore profitability to the businesses for the long term.

Yes, profits are up over the last year. But businesses right-sized themselves to the new economic realities(at the cost of jobs), and then soldiered on.

Reduce the minimum wage, eliminate all the mandates on employers for all the things they must do in addition to producing a quality product. Let the employee take the responsibility for what they will work for.

Or, keep writing about the absence of jobs here in Georgia.

More education for people will not resolve this issue.

More government subsidies will not resolve this issue.

Only the potential of someone to start a business, serve customers and make a profit doing so will return jobs.

Long term profits mean a sustainable business plan for five or more years. Otherwise, there will be no capital investment(which leads to more jobs).

ken

December 8th, 2010
9:12 am

When one opens a business:
1. The government and unions knock on your door and say: WE ARE HERE TO HELP

BlahBlahBlah

December 8th, 2010
9:12 am

“The prospects for Monroeville’s jobless workers won’t be transformed by the deal that President Obama has struck with Republican leaders, who insisted on maintaining Bush-era tax cuts for the richest Americans”

- And it wouldn’t have been transformed had all the Bush cuts expired either. When you have no skills, you have no future.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:13 am

Simple solution:

Outlaw unions. Lower minimum wage. Take the money spent on welfare and food stamps and put it toward a de-unionized education. Lower corporate taxes to 10%. Disassemble most of the federal government.

JKL2

December 8th, 2010
9:14 am

They can either sit at home and wait for their obama checks to arrive or they could go out and get one of those good paying government jobs. I can’t understand why everybody doesn’t work for the government?

BlahBlahBlah

December 8th, 2010
9:14 am

“The victims of those tectonic shifts — especially workers too old to learn a new skill or move to a new city – may need long-term, government-funded assistance. It’s not their fault that the ground suddenly shifted beneath their feet.”

- In other words, a permanent expansion of the welfare state.

(p.s. this wasn’t any sudden shift, low skilled manufacturing jobs have been leaving for 35 years.)

New Guy

December 8th, 2010
9:16 am

CT
What is your point, the textile industry, especially cut and sew, has always been labor intensive. If you recall it moved from the Northeast to the south because of high labor costs caused by the influx of unions. As wages rose in the south the next move had to be overseas, they are now lost forever, taxes had nothing to do wit it.

Arlo

December 8th, 2010
9:16 am

As long as our government allows US companies to move overseas to avoid paying taxes, jobs will not come back.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:17 am

Libs are saying much.

But then again, what argument could they possibly offer. They know what their party has done to our country.

C Tucker and anyone who still supports the job killing democrats should be ashamed of themselves.

Fang1944

December 8th, 2010
9:17 am

And, of course, we see the onslaught of irrelevant, ususally false rightwing clichés. I’ll deal with Vinny’s. According to the CBO the US corporate tax rate is at the very bottom for developed nations as a percentage of GDP. According to Nation Master, the US is #20 for the percentage that corporations pay of the nation’s total income tax.

Henry

December 8th, 2010
9:18 am

I never met anyone who knew everything about everything. Then I read Cynthia Tucker. The worlds most knowledgeable woman. Actually that should say person since she appears to be an expert on every subject know to mankind.

Equality 7-2521

December 8th, 2010
9:18 am

And the unemployment benefits that you insist on extending? Those are debts that are going to be repaid by businesses in the future.

Georgia is running up a major tab to the federal government that Thurmond only decided to disclose the day AFTER the November elections.

This debt, when repaid will be a future drain on those long term profits that are so crucial to restoring Georgia job growth.

So, you are sacrificing future job growth for the unemployed today. You may feel better about that, but those without jobs in the future sure won’t.

The choices made have consequences. November’s jobs report says we added on average 14 jobs per county across the nation.

That works out to 14 for Fulton County’s 1 million residents.

At some point you must admit what we are doing today is not working, and you must be open to another approach.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:18 am

Arlo

Our government allows?

Good Grief

December 8th, 2010
9:19 am

Nothing Is Free – Are you asking a liberal to support downsizing the government? That’s funny.

CT – How old is too old to learn a new skill? Does the brain stop taking in new information at 40? 45? How about 50? Should we adopt a European style retirement plan where if you work in a hazardous industry (like a hairdresser) you can retire with full government benefits at 50 and live off the younger workers for the rest of your life?

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:20 am

Fang1944

Here’s a statistic for you:

9.8% unemployment.

US Corporate tax rates: Second highest in the world.

Mala Cori

December 8th, 2010
9:24 am

Cynthia: Your pathetic pulp town storry is lame. I grew up and worked in a pulp and paper town (in manufacturing) and saw the demise of the industry. As soon as I saw the downturn wasn’t picking up in the 90’s I quickly moved to a bigger city, took out a loan and retrained myself with a 2 year tech degree in healthcare/biotech manufacturing and again moved 3 more times for jobs (and I’m not young). We live in a faster paced society and one just can’t sit around in the same small town waiting the mills and unions to come back and save them. Both have been dying out since the 60’s. I’m a product of immigrant parents who were professionals in their home country, and started all over in their late thirtys when they moved to North America (legally), so I’m no stranger in reinvention. I think the furhter we move away from the heart and drive of the early immigrants, the lazier and pathetic we become. People can retrain and educate themselves, start business, learn a new language, move to a new country, create, invent, imagine…Why throw in the towel? As an online journalist, you’ve also contributed to your town’s demise by not printing your opinions on paper only. Very hypocritical!

TallaDawg

December 8th, 2010
9:24 am

Lending money to those who had no business with a loan was financially wrong and would have caused a financial downturn. Wall Street greed is what caused the crisis. If all of the loans had stood on their own and not been traded, packaged and re-packaged into ever more-complex derivative investments, the downturn would not have been the crisis that actually occurred. Wall Street greed spread the poison (bad mortgages) from one family’s well (mortgage lenders) into the entire aquifer (the national and international economy).

Get Real

December 8th, 2010
9:25 am

Geez Tucker….same old bird cage lining garbage

Republicans….Bad
Democrats……Good

You have to be the most extreme partisan in the US; when do you get your own show on MSNBC? I know you do quite a few interviews, why not get a permanent gig so you can party with your pals Overbite and Madcow.

jconservative

December 8th, 2010
9:25 am

“By the way, not one person in this country will see their taxes “cut” on January 1st due to the agreement yesterday.”

This is correct and needs to be emphasized. The same tax rates in place in 2009 and 2010 will be in effect for 2011 and 2012. This includes both the Bush and the Obama tax cuts.

A lot of Republicans are saying this will create more jobs. The problem with that argument is that it did not create more jobs in 2009 and 2010. Sooooo?

So where do we go? For one, the deficit will increase $900 billion in the next 2 years. Our $13.8 trillion National Debt will go up to $14.7 trillion automatically if this agreement passes and Obama signs it. All the Republicans seem rather pleased about that.

Of course, we could help lower the National Debt and the pending annual deficits by simply cutting expenses. But unfortunately, both Republicans and Democrats have refused to cut spending for 28 of the last 30 years. Will they finally turn over a new leaf? Will they?

Reading the comments on this column I find it amusing that some attack Liberals as big spenders and some attack Conservatives as Scrooges.

But both ignore the plain fact that for the last 30 years both Conservatives and Liberals have been the biggest spenders in the history of the Republic.

For 28 of the last 30 years every president, Republican or Democrat, has on purpose, signed into law, deficit creating budgets that have increased the National Debt by $12.8 trillion. (Clinton signed 2 balanced budgets and that is the 2 years excepted from the 30.)

My apologies for dragging facts into the discussion and spoiling the fun.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:27 am

Good Grief

- -Are you asking a liberal to support downsizing the government? That’s funny.- -

I understand my limitations.

We are in the nightmare scenario that many conservatives predicted back in the early 90s. The unions have infiltrated almost every manufacturing job. Minimum wage pays more than most contract work.

We don’t make anything. Of the billions of cell phones sold worldwide, we make NONE of them. We make a few high end computers, but our biggest moneymakers are banks that just move money around.

If a company wants to start a manufacturing facility here, they would have to be out of their minds.

Cal

December 8th, 2010
9:27 am

The economy was destroyed by do-gooders looking to give everyone, regardless of financial means, a leg up. When the outhouse door was opened, we saw progressive peeing on the economy. As a result, we’re all standing in their pi**.

Thanks for the memories that were america.

B Cosby

December 8th, 2010
9:28 am

I recall seeing headlines to the effect: Obama stimulus creates jobs! Where’s the jobs? Where’s the money? If CT can’t find either she asks where’s the Republicans? The savior has fallen! It didn’t take him long to bow to Congress. Where’s Pelosi? Out of the headlines now that her savior has fallen!

Offshored

December 8th, 2010
9:29 am

Nothing is Free. Your simple solution would definitely work. Just look at China. It’s working there.

shaggy

December 8th, 2010
9:29 am

Oh, I finally get it. Cynthia doesn’t want these people to learn any more skills. She wants them to be permanently attached to their entitlements, paid for by well…..YOU!
Why should they do anything but vote to keep their enablers in office, as long as they don’t have to actually do anything for the entitlement money.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:30 am

TallaDawg

The loans should have never been made in the first place. Forced credit relaxation by the fed started all of this. Add on the union infiltration, increased tax rates, increased minimum wage and the progressive dream was on it’s way.

granny godzilla

December 8th, 2010
9:32 am

cynthia

bless you for your tolerance…….

TallaDawg

December 8th, 2010
9:32 am

So that I properly comment on CT’s blog, I think that unemployment benefits absolutely MUST be finite or else they provide no real incentive to try to find work. We cannot continue to pay people not to work. (See and applaud Mala Cori’s story, above).

el jefe

December 8th, 2010
9:32 am

christianity is the root of all evil….

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
9:33 am

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:34 am

Offshored

- -Your simple solution would definitely work. Just look at China. It’s working there.- -

Look at the riots on Europe. How’s that progressive direction working out?

China does not emphasize education. Can you bring yourself to see the difference?

Bytestalker

December 8th, 2010
9:37 am

Retraining – everyone states that more education and moving into the technical areas will help. Wrong. I worked 20 years as a programmer and my job was sent to India. It was cheaper in the short run, but it took 3 people to replace me. That cost more than my salary and benefits. Now in India my manager’s role costs 1.5 times more than a U.S. based manager.
Why are so many jobs moving overseas? Our government allows a corporation to do it. Try that in Germany, France, Sweden, Italy, even India… You can’t move jobs out of those countries. I currently work for a high tech firm and was told all American jobs, mine again will be moved offshore and no jobs will be lost in the offshore countries because they can do it in the U.S. with no penalties and can’t in the offshore countries. The product will be cheaper in the U.S., but who is going to buy it?

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:37 am

Kammy

THe problem started when the standards for loans were lowered by the fed as an attempt to allow poor people to buy homes.

We would have done much better if we had just taken the money to fuel the new bureaucracies and just bought the damn houses and given them to the people that we knew were never going to pay their mortgage.

JKL2

December 8th, 2010
9:39 am

Henry- The worlds most knowledgeable woman

The teleprompter said she is the female version of obama. Peace prizes for everyone…

AmVet

December 8th, 2010
9:39 am

“What happens to workers when jobs leave for good?”

The short answer is that the neo-cons will cut your unemployment. Because “we can’t afford it.”

Yet, according to these Einsteins of Politics we CAN afford two ongoing massively botched invasions and occupations. And a permanent war machine that costs us as much as everybody else on the planet COMBINED spends on their “defense”.

Oh especially at this festive time of year, let’s not forget the endless handouts, subsidies and giveaways to the those struggling millionaires that run the “free market’s” Malfeasance and Criminal Negligence Machine. That’s a mere few hundred billion more dollars every single year.

The ONLY silver lining to this scenario, is that this time we are talking about millions of suburban Republicans on the dole with no decent job in their futures.

Let them eat cake. (Or McDonald’s hamburgers…)

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:40 am

el jefe

Another religious bigot. PAl, your way went the way of the dodo back in the forties. They have torn down the ovens. Get a new mantra. This one just makes you look very, very bad.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
9:40 am

THe problem started when the standards for loans were lowered by the fed as an attempt to allow poor people to buy homes.

Same crap, different verse.

Eubieful O'sheet

December 8th, 2010
9:40 am

Cynthia Tucker is striving mightily to replace Cynthia McKinney as the left’s most prominent whackdoodle.
To do this she had to learn that facts and logic are irrelevant in the preparation and presentation of her daily rant. Her postings for the past few weeks indicate she has achieved that step.

cosby

December 8th, 2010
9:42 am

Another hit on Republicans. Jobs left to other countries that provided a more favoriable position for return on investment. the Government – both Dems and Repubs – stuck so much restrictions on business that they had no choice. To blame the move on the Bush tax rates is laughable. But think about how the Feds are promoting class ware fare and abusing the 16th amendment for political toil. a good poster child to dump the 16th amendment and bring on the “Fair Tax’, then watch how the industry re-appears in this country!

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:42 am

AmVet

It’s the wars, huh?

LOL!!

How pathetic.

The vast majority of the cost of the wars go back into the US economy. Do you think we build tanks and F-22s in Mexico?

Toby

December 8th, 2010
9:44 am

End unemployment benefits and you end unemployment.

Gary

December 8th, 2010
9:45 am

Why not do away with corporate taxes all together? They only get passed on to the employee and and the purchaser of the goods or services. We see how important jobs are everyday. Seems silly to tax a corporation. You want jobs, easy the restrictions and expenses and burdens we place on these companies.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:45 am

Kammy

- -Same crap, different verse.- -

It’s debate skills like these that have pointed out your brilliance.

I guess you couldn’t find an article to cut and paste.

markie mark

December 8th, 2010
9:48 am

the idea you cant retrain is crap. I am 51. For some of you who have read my posts in recent months, you already know this…..I owned two liquor stores in Fernandina Beach, FL. ABC Liquors, the largest chain in the state (chains are legal in FL as opposed to GA liquor laws) dropped thier newest 10,000 s

Shawny

December 8th, 2010
9:49 am

“The sewing mills have largely moved to low wage countries such as Vietnam and Bangladesh.”

RIGHT HERE is where the focus needs to be. You have to ask why? Why would a US company move that work overseas and then have to pay for the finished product to return here to sell?

#1 – minimum wage in the US has escalated, thanks to the late Teddy Kennedy and his push. No, that is not a good thing, as it is one factor that drives production overseas.

#2 – corporate taxes in the US are higher than in many parts of the world.

It seems ludicrous that a company can send product overseas, have it manufactured, then send it back cheaper than to just do it here, but there you go. FIX THAT PROBLEM, and everything else fixes itself.

The push over such a long time is for higher wages. That killed the US auto industry and forced US based companies to outsource work. What so many people still fail to understand is that back in the 50’s, it was a US market. Today, it is a global market and if joe blow company doesn’t keep their costs down, then a foreign competitor will sell for cheaper. We do not have the luxury of competing just against ourselves anymore.

el jefe

December 8th, 2010
9:49 am

abort christians!

Gary

December 8th, 2010
9:49 am

Hey Kamchack, THat is because Freddy and Fannie bundle their loans and sell them to the private sector as investments. People thought it was bullet proof. Then folks stopped paying back the loans. How can you defend freddy and fanny. They would be gone if the feds had not bankrolled them. The private sector pays tarp money back. freddy and fannie do not.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
9:52 am

el jefe

Talk your Mom out of going to school today?

markie mark

December 8th, 2010
9:53 am

sorry, something happened…anyway, ABC build their new store between my two. A huge superstore. My income at that time was 150k and I employed 9 people. They opened last October – in the ensuing bankruptcy, I lost 40 years of work (3.5 million) and two homes, and everything else in life but my wife. I moved to Atlanta because I was to old to want to work in the tourist industry. Today, I make 20% or so of what I made last year. I am working for what I made in my late 20’s, back in a technical call center and studying my !@#!@# off. But I am not sitting in florida on unemployment. Do I like it? Hell, no, we are struggling to pay rent on what I make and my wife is still looking for work. But it IS being done, and we ARE surviving, and we will make a comfortable life again. And by the way, I am 51….

tiredofitall

December 8th, 2010
9:59 am

I don’t think most elected republicans think the unemployed are lazy, but from comments made by Conservative, progressives-are-evil posters it is a common theme.

People don’t go into business to hire people – they go to make money doing something and hiring people is just the cost of doing business. The problem is that the old idea of getting a job and staying with it for 30-40 years no longer exists and the work force needs to change and adapt. Now, there is a point where we will have more people than jobs anywhere avalable and at that point, all hell will break loose and there will be less people.

AmVet

December 8th, 2010
10:00 am

Kamcheck, it still amazes me that the fiscal non-conservative have not a freaking clue what happened in September 2008.

With any accuracy and detail, they cannot name the multitude of players, the series of events nor the underlying causes. Thirty years in the making.

Being informed and knowledgeable, is much too much work for them. And as is evidenced every single day here, basic research is far beyond their capabilities.

Besides, they love shucking and grinning for their unindicted “let the free market police itself” criminals.

Mindlessly, to their own families needless burden…

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
10:00 am

Hey Kamchack, THat is because Freddy and Fannie bundle their loans and sell them to the private sector as investments.

Hey Gary, Fannie and Freddie went from 48% down to 24% of loans sold in the secondary market while the private sector made up the difference

The Thin Guy

December 8th, 2010
10:03 am

The economy will start to improve on January 20, 2013, 2 pm EST, when there will be an American in The White House. There would be plenty of jobs if the illegal aliens were kicked out of this country. Also tax incentives should be provided for companies located in the USA and tariffs placed on anything not made here. The most prosperous country on earth is Red China and they have wage and price controls. We can’t compete because unions and ambulance chasing lawyers have priced us out of the market. Only two years, one month, and twelve days until President Palin restores American to its rightful place in the world.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:05 am

markie mark

Stick with it. In 1999, I made well into six figures and I had made the mistake of having one huge client. Then I got the phone call that said that my client had been bought by a company that had a whole devision that did what I had done so my services would no longer be needed. Lost a really nice house, Infinity Q-45, in 2000, my income was right at $7,000 and most of that was from mowing yards with a borrowed lawn mower.

I wouldn’t even know how to apply for food stamps or unemployment. After 2000, even all my gear was outdated, but since then, I have fought back to at least owning a home and reinvesting into more modern equipment.

I now have one credit card that I never use and have started an internet business that is starting to grow. Just signed several new contracts that might make next year pretty good for my business.

There will always be people like you and me that would never consider taking a handout and there will always be the ones that go from one handout to another.

B Cosby

December 8th, 2010
10:06 am

CT, I’ll bet all of the mills were owned by white people. There should be some kind of reparations for the people who worked at the mills, were related to someone who worked at a mill, knew someone who worked at a mill, drove past a mill or could spell mill. Curse the rich white man.

willie lynch

December 8th, 2010
10:06 am

What seems to be missed by the many is that a lot of jobs are gone for good. What chance does a 55 year old have going back to school to learn a new skill to then come out and compete with 20 somethings in the job market?

There are many people above the age of 40 who don’t have the greatest computer skills and have to turn to their kids who have grown up with this technology to do some of the most rudimentary computer exercises.

With the world economy comes a global job market. Unfortunately that market doesn’t lend itself to American labor. Of course it’s costly to employ Americans because it cost to live in America. The difference in this time and 80 years ago is that the country had something to build, ships, machines, and weapons for war. We were starting to build the infrastructure we still enjoy to this day and many of America’s major cities were in their infancy as major metropolises.

Americans and America no longer enjoy the distinction of being THE leader in all things beneficial to the world. It is this understanding that was driving the vision of the law makers who wanted to invest in the green revolution. These people have been shouted down by those who feel like there is nothing wrong with the climate or enviornment and there is nothing man can do to fix it (even though he’s done a great deal of the harm).

The advent of the green revolution is America’s new turn of the century infrastucture building projects. This is the new frontier that can put Americans back to work building solar and wind harnessing technologies.
There won’t be a return of the auto industry, or the large factories turning out rubber and paper so we need to turn the corner with a new vision of American industry.

Those Americans who are out of work are by no means lazy and shiftless as some have portrayed them but they are the unfortunate collateral damage of a change in the worlds labor movement which as the rich (private industry) have found out is cheaper elsewhere.

And it’s with this understanding that I pay my taxes and will pay more if required.

Work Dawg

December 8th, 2010
10:08 am

4/5s of this is a great article and lays out well the plight of the working class. Too bad you don’t have any idea how to fix the problem either. Investors will put up money for manufacturing when they find something US manufacturing can compete at, it isn’t a function of political party.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 8th, 2010
10:08 am

AmVet & Kam…seems like they are a broken record of past “hits” no matter what the facts actually are. That is why they are doomed to force us all to repeat their continued stupidity.

Why of course all those smart people who worked at Lehman Brothers were snookered in by Freddy and Fannie people….as were all of the other banks and lenders. And of course, those dishonest poor people who managed to outsmart all of those brilliant business people.

On one hand they talk about capitalism meaning the smart businesses shall rise but when Wall Street failed, it is not the fault of those “smart” business people who were not “smart” enough not to be deceived by poor people and the “inept” government who “forced” a government agency (not Wall Street) to buy those loans made and qualified by the “smart” bankers.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
10:09 am

There would be plenty of jobs if the illegal aliens were kicked out of this country.

How much–on a per head basis–are you willing to spend to accomplish this task?

markie mark

December 8th, 2010
10:09 am

@ nothing….most have no idea how I feel about some of the comments I see here….they either have no damn clue on what it takes over the course of years (and that includes you CT) or they are so busy chasing utopia for the world that that they dont care what it REALLY takes…being raised poor, working your way out of it (and I mean at least two and sometimes three jobs until I was 40) and then having to start over is a hell of a lot harder than whining about how life is unfair…..bs…..

markie mark

December 8th, 2010
10:09 am

life is just life….deal with it…

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:09 am

AmVet

- -Being informed and knowledgeable, is much too much work for them.- -

So far you are batting 1,000. Every time you come here whining and are slapped down, you resort to thin insults.

It’s like the old joke about jokes in a prison. You should just number your insults and save yourself some typing.

Mala Cori

December 8th, 2010
10:10 am

I wanted people to know that I too was recently laid off (with 2 degrees) and stood in line with thousands of others in line at jobs fairs and know the desparation. It’s important to note that you have to make finding a job a full time job. Don’t rely on the benefits. There are jobs out there, you just have to be creative and challenge yourself to do something new. And if your overqualified, downplay or eliminate your ‘over-qualifications’. When I was unemployed, I applied to work at a book store, but left out my undergrad and grad degrees and just listed my high school diploma on my resume. The bookstore didn’t care that I commissioned a fully automated manufacturing line. They wanted to know if I would be nice to customers, could read, wouldn’t steal anything, and could handle the register. I downplayed my manufacturing experience, and focused on my customer serivice skills. I didn’t lie, but I didn’t present the skills that weren’t required for that particular job either. Know your audience. I ended up with three jobs after being laid off from my engineering job: a cashier at bookstore, a restaurant waitress, and telemarketer (and I worked all three) before I was able to find something full time again in my field. I also loved those experiences at my age because I better appreciated what service people do. Now that I’m back on my feet I always tip restaurant servers at least 30% and am sensitive and respectful to those in service jobs as I know most of them are underemployed and working towards advancement like was. I write chain stores letters of appreciation for the front line workers when I get good service in hopes that they will be recognized or that it will lead them to a promotion. Cynthia: Stop complaining and give people real life solutions to surviving this economy.

Harry Callahan

December 8th, 2010
10:10 am

AmVet

December 8th, 2010
10:00 am

“Being informed and knowledgeable, is much too much work for them”

I’m informed and knowledgeable enough to analyze financial instruments and thus plan and save for my own retirement, without benefit of Social Security. You?

Oh, almost forgot…I don’t think that comma in your sentence above serves any purpose, big guy…much like your ignorant rantings on this blog serve no purpose.

J Moore

December 8th, 2010
10:11 am

Know Unions? — No Jobs!

Avenger

December 8th, 2010
10:11 am

nothing. Apparently you were in your ideologue world when the economy went south. Here is a news flash – the economy went during the last republican administration.

Harry Callahan

December 8th, 2010
10:12 am

Why is it that the supposedly “informed and knowledeable” among us are the ones most dependent on government to hold their little hands every step of the way through life?

Harry Callahan

December 8th, 2010
10:14 am

Why is it that those who find it “too much work to be informed and knowledgeable” are the ones who can find a job on their own, figure out how big a mortgage they can afford, etc, etc?

Bob Segar and the Silver Bullet Band

December 8th, 2010
10:15 am

AmVet and Kamchak…working on mysteries without any clues…

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:17 am

markie mark

I just got back from Hispaniola. Worked both in the DR and Haiti.

Everywhere you go, there are people hustling, doing whatever they can to make a buck. You basically have two cultures: the ones that are dying in the refugee camps and the ones that get up every morning, thinking of a way to earn some money.

No one here faces that. The safety nets are better than working. I have a friend that finally applied for food stamps. Single man gets $490/month in food stamps. I haven’t spent that much on food since 1999. I would eat like a king. Why would he want to get a job?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 8th, 2010
10:18 am

Why is it the those “who find it too much work to be informed and knowledgeable” and supposedly have the jobs had to have the government bailout Wall Street and the Banks to save their jobs…..maybe they should become informed and knowledgeable instead of shooting off their mouths shooting blanks.

Mala Cori

December 8th, 2010
10:19 am

A few other tips if your looking for a job: When I was unemployed I really (I mean really) had to downsize my life. My husband and I sold my car, we sold our house and moved into a one-bedroom apartment, we gave up cable, sold our flat screen tv, eliminated cell phones (we just kept the internet and a land line for my job search, we stopped eating out, etc. Even though it was tragic to loss my job, it was also the best year of my life in that we lived on little but enjoyed our time toghether.

Prof

December 8th, 2010
10:19 am

And James maybe you should get a brain.

Harry Callahan

December 8th, 2010
10:20 am

“What happens to workers when jobs leave for good?”

A community organizer puts them on a bus, gives them $50, and takes them dowtown on election night to vote for Democrats.

Atlanta1

December 8th, 2010
10:20 am

Wrter’s Take Away:

* Hateful Republicans
* President Obama saves the day again
* Mean old Corporations took the jobs out of the country in the name of profits.

Different takeaways

* Republicans were prefectly willing to extend unemployment benefits – all they wanted was dollars cut from the budget to pay for it. Something the Democrats were NOT willing to do and the Republicans gave in.

* The Presdient did not save the day. It would have happened anyway. The difference being that we will continue to pile on debt.

* Mean old corporations take the jobs out of the country just to make more money.

Got it.

Thanks.

Jack

December 8th, 2010
10:21 am

There really is no need in arguing with a liberal. Someone listening would not be able to decide which was delusional.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:21 am

Avenger

When the Democrats took over Congress, unemployment was 4.3%. A full year later it was 5%.

Civics, 101. Who decides the money that is spent. PICK UP A FRIGGIN BOOK.

C from Marietta

December 8th, 2010
10:22 am

Mala Cori, It’s people like YOU. That will turn this thing around. You came up with solutions! My buddy was a CFO and got laid off and worked at a Mellow Mushroom for 2 years, before landing another CFO job. He did’nt complain once. He made the best of it. We need to tap into the America that comes up with solutions.

Harry Callahan

December 8th, 2010
10:23 am

Keep Up @ 10:18…

Most all conservatives were opposed to the banking bailouts, hence the rise of the tea party and their attacks on both Democrats AND incumbent Republicans. Pay attention and try and keep up sweetie, OK?

Sam T.

December 8th, 2010
10:24 am

What many of you here just seem to totally forget is that the Sub Prime Mortgage debacle started in 2003 with a Republican Congress, Senate, and WH beating that drum. Fannie and Freddie went straight to $1.00 in assets to every $65.00 in debt AFTER GW made that speech about every American should own a home and then totally looked the other way while the fox’s destroyed the hen house.

AmVet

December 8th, 2010
10:25 am

Sorry boys, you’re late.

November was feed a troll month.

But if you cannot control yourselves, leg hump away, But I don’t think it is going to cure that painful itch you have.

Keep,

As most non neo-cons know, the US economy was brought to the brink of destruction a couple of years ago. $3,000,000,000,000.00 “lost” (the new euphemism for legalized thievery.)

That some of the delusional conned here act as if this is was just another bump/recession along the road, is OBVIOUS evidence that they don’t have a clue what really happened. Nor even to this day, appreciate the magnitude of this needless debacle caused by “a sustained orgy of greed and reckless behavior”.

I know it is the American way to stick our heads in the sand and pretend otherwise, but this time there is no avoiding the ugly truth.

We are pretty much screwed.

American capitalism has been perverted and hijacked by enthroned corporations, who no longer even adhere to the Three Laws of Capitalism.

Yet, I get yawns whenever I refer to the massive corporate crime wave that has racked this nation for three decades now.

But there is FINALLY a sea change at hand.

Americans now trust CEOs and “big business” at about the same levels they do the US Congress and used car salesmen.

20% of Americans now own 84% of all the wealth int his country. At this rate, it may well be that 10% own 94% of all the wealth.

The middle class is decimated and desperate. And the prospects look as bad and maybe even worse, thanks to this blossoming American plutocracy of white collar criminals and their accomplices in government.

And the most bizarre aspect of it all, is how these childish rubes in the far right-wing act as if this is the normal and proper evolution of American capitalism.

And their kids and grandkids are going to hate them for being such cowards…

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:25 am

Mala Cori

- -A few other tips if your looking for a job:- -

Why would they do all that if the government is going to continue to support them?

I read your whole post. Keep kicking hard girl. And have a great Christmas.

TXM

December 8th, 2010
10:25 am

Cynthia – I know Monroeville; my company was active there for several years during the 1990’s when the VF plant was still active. I found the people kind, open and honest. Unlike some posters, I understand how difficult, if not impossible, it is for families with little means to pick up and move to a strange city to search for employment in new fields. I suspect that many live in small family homes that are owned free and clear. If there is no market for sale or rental property, could they walk away from their own property to start again in another city with little to no resources? I’m sorry I have no answers, but I do understand what a bitter circle this is. Working 40 hrs. a week in a manufacturing industry used to be an honorable career – one that enabled generations to raise families and own homes. Outsourcing of jobs held by generations of American families has changed the American dream.

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:27 am

Harry

Where is the Tea Party on this news? None of this is paid for….another $1 trillion stimulus plan….I don’t see any idiots in tri-corner hats with Don’t Tread On Me flags out…Republicans are laughing at the neophytes just elected. Who seizes power just to relinquish it? What a crock.

Avenger

December 8th, 2010
10:28 am

nothing “The problem started when the standards for loans were lowered by the fed as an attempt to allow poor people to buy homes” Your logic makes about as much sense as your telling a cop that you bought drugs because the drug dealer was selling them. The most powerful economy in the world was brought to it’s knees by the crooks on wall street. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac didn’t create “credit default swaps”. The crooks on wall street came up with these fraudlent schemes.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:29 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

- -and supposedly have the jobs had to have the government bailout Wall Street and the Banks to save their jobs….- -

LOL!! How many people in Atlanta do you believe had their jobs saved in the Wallstreet bailout? Maybe 100? Maybe 150?

wtf?

December 8th, 2010
10:29 am

Victims? We’re all victims in one way or another. Putting blame on others for one’s own decisions about education, line of work, obtaining job skills, personal spending, lifestyle, family size is wrong.

We all have choices, not everyone can be as successful as everyone else.

If you go back to the original root of the problem and what started this reccesion, it was people getting into home loans they couldn’t afford. That single bad decsion made by thousands or millions is what started this financial meltdown. You might say, those people were the VICTIM of this or that, but it all comes down to the choices we make in life. When I applied or a home load 7 years ago, the banks said I could borrow upto $350K, I instead settled on a $150K home, I made a good decsion, others did not.

How do we fix this? Through education, good parenting, and less political bickering that only polarizes the masses.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
10:29 am

And of course, those dishonest poor people who managed to outsmart all of those brilliant business people.

What a coincidence, Keep. Why it was just the other day, I was in line at the grocery store behind this woman with six kids (all of the snot-nosed brats were wearing top-of-the-line Nikes), and while she was paying for food with WIC vouchers, (all the while two–no four–cases of beer were in the grocery cart) she related the story about how she tricked Moody’s into selling it’s ratings to the very people whose products they were rating. Not only that, she convinced Goldman Sachs to secretly bet on the housing crash.

Sam T.

December 8th, 2010
10:30 am

And by the way. Where are all those deficit hawk tea partiers now? They have become MIA in this tax/unemployment debate. You’d think those guys would be raising mortal hell about any unfunded spending or deficit increase now wouldn’t you? Could it be that reality has already rendered them silent? And what are the Republicans going to say when 2 years from now when the unemployment rate is still through the roof in spite of these tax rate extensions that are supposed to create all those jobs.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

December 8th, 2010
10:30 am

Oil to Highest Price Since 2008

Remeber George and his oil buddies? What’s up with THIS. Come on Cynthia, let’s dig into this one.

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:30 am

TXM

If they were just willing to move to where the jobs are they’d be ok. So they better dust off their Mandarin because that’s where the jobs are.

Nothing Is Free

Are you willing to carry weapons and use bodyguards every time for go out in public? If or when the government cuts off all safety net measures they are those who will simply take. No one is just going to starve or accept third world wages just to say they have a job.

Harry Callahan

December 8th, 2010
10:31 am

AmVet just excercise his superior intellect by using the term “leghump” for the 1,000th time on this blog, and then followed it up with 500 words of useless, mindless drivel.

And yet, curiously, despite his obvious need to pontificate at length about all matter political, he can’t quite bring himself to tell us whether or not he opposes socialism. It seems that impotence comes in many different forms.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:31 am

Avenger

Look around. Do you think that the hundreds of thousands of jobs that have moved to other countries was because of Wall Street?

Maybe too much for you to think about.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 8th, 2010
10:32 am

Am Vet.. I agree that the greed of the large corporations and their leaders is slowly destroying this country and leading to the distortion of the government process and the Let them do anything they want mentality of the right is a major problem. Big business often IS the problem. “No regulation is better” thinking is the problem.

Harry, sweetie no nothing…do try to keep up. Yes conservatives objected to the bailout (well except for the republicans who voted for TARP and the President who signed it)…. but do tell me, why oh why were these “smart” people coming to the government with their hats in their hand….Why I say, do tell me, why the “smart” people even requested bailouts if they be so smart.

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:34 am

wtf?

Congrats….you’re right…personal responsibility wins everytime. But there’s a huge mess out there that needs to be cleaned up. So is it personal bankruptcy or waiting for the debtors to simply write off your obligations? Those are the only two options to former middle class people who are laid off due to decreased demand. Some people can get three jobs to replace their old job and still not make enough money to pay off what they owe. Yes shame on those people for screwing up but what is the way forward?

C from Marietta

December 8th, 2010
10:34 am

CT and her liberal gang will NEVER be happy, until they can choose how you spend your money.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:36 am

BW

I grew up around guns. The cardinal rule was never bring a loaded gun in the house. Right now, i have a loaded 12 gauge in my hall closet and a loaded 45 auto in my nightstand. That’s AFTER I moved from within walking distance to some of Atlanta worst ghettos. When I lived there, I carried a loaded 45. There were liberal women taking shooting classes to protect themselves. Scared the hell out of me.

So will it be worst than that?

A Lumpkin Resident

December 8th, 2010
10:37 am

CT wrote: Congress needs to reconsider the old idea that unemployment benefits are a short-term lifeline that is dropped after a recession ends.

So, CT finally admits that she would allow folks to receive unemployment compensation…. forever. I often said that a liberal would never answer this question because it would reveal their true goal. Cynthia has stated their intentions nicely for us. She, and liberals, would create a new entitlement, permanent unemployment for all those who managed to put together a couple years work during their lives… and then were laid off . Many (most?) would receive benefits higher than minimum wage, and would have no incentive to EVER go back to work at a lower wage, and would lose the skills necessary to take a job in their chosen field.

As for cheap goods from other countries… this too will pass. It might take a very long time, though. The corporate world continues to grind through the third world, jumping from country to country as wages and the cost of doing business rise in the countries that establish facilities.

China is resource starved… including forests, metals, energy and water. China is heavily polluted. At some point the 700 million impoverished Chinese that are not part of the new middle class will want a share of the prosperity. China has worked so far because every citizen started with so little and most have gained at least a little during the rise to prosperity. But sooner or later, the Chinese will demand unpolluted air and strong property rights to keep what they have acquired. And then the totalitarian dream will unravel much the way it did in the Soviet Union.

Manufacturing is nearly always a double edged sword. Pollution and manufacturing jobs are always entwined. We get cheap goods from China. They get jobs and pollution.

Harry Callahan

December 8th, 2010
10:37 am

Keep Up..you need to change your handle. Not only are you failing to put up a good fight, you can’t even Keep Up with the news. I guess it’s your contention that all of the tea partiers who descended on Washington and elsewherer were all bankers in clever disguise? LMAO. As hard as you try to portray conservatives as people looking to government for a handout, you just keep making yourself look sillier and sillier.

Here’s another hint, sweetie…keeping your own money that you earned, instead of letting government confiscate it via taxation, is NOT a handout.

Libertarian

December 8th, 2010
10:38 am

Cynthia,

You offer no solutions to the problems of outsourcing. You just criticize Republicans. Do you propose that we just keep people on Public assistance forever? Isn’t it Democrats who love globalization and outsourcing and free trade? Companies will go overseas for their labor until Americans are willing to work for less, and unions go away. But Americans also have to be willing to pay a little more for their goods and services. The same people who whine about no jobs are the same ones who go to Walmart to buy $2 underwear that was made in Vietnam. The only solution is probably to tax the heck out of imports.

As for the recession…its a little difficult to buy this doom and gloom scenario when I tried to get a table at Rathbun’s last week on a Thursday night and there were none. That place ain’t cheap.

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:38 am

Nothing Is Free

How many people on the news have you heard got tied up in their homes even though they had guns? Simple fact is that if you’re not used to living like that it’s only a matter of time until one is a victim.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:38 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

It ain’t Wall Street. It is the lack of jobs on Main Street.

Stocks are doing pretty well. The rest of the economy isn’t.

ButtHead

December 8th, 2010
10:39 am

Hey here is a stupid idea, for those that receive public assistance they will need to take a piss test, and have them perform some type of work for their public taxpayer help. That is if they are healthy enough too. I would bet that implementing those two things and let’s see what happens…

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
10:40 am

Do you think that the hundreds of thousands of jobs that have moved to other countries was because of Wall Street?

Yes.

Another episode of one word answers to simple(ton’s) questions.

RxDawg

December 8th, 2010
10:40 am

“For decades now, globalization and technology have been grinding away at American jobs”

Umm… you don’t think outrageous taxes, working conditions (thanks unions) etc don’t have anything to do with that? It’s not that hard, you want jobs back in America than do something to motivate the companies to build here.

wtf?

December 8th, 2010
10:40 am

Here’s an example of how lazy some people are. My company needed a few extra hands at our office durring a busy shipping week, so we called a temp service and they sent 3 workers over. i assume these workers were otherwise unemployed and desperate for a good paying job. We paid twice minimum wage plus lunch.

Guess what, when 5PM rolled around, all 3 quit about 2 hrs. before we were finished with that days orders, leaving us in a bind. I guess they earned enough to get them by for the next couple of days.
If that is the attitude of a lot of unemployed workers in this town, that’s pathetic.

Trust me, I have spoken with lots of people that recieve aid, disaster relief, benefits, ect., they game the system as much as they can and aren’t ashamed to do it.

To those people, I give the middle finger proudly.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 8th, 2010
10:41 am

Harry…really hard to be clueless isn’t it. Try to answer the question because according to you, no one came asking for a bailout. So why did the “smart” people in Wall Street need one if they were so very very smart.

Keeping your own money is fine. Taking government services without paying for them is just failing to pay the bill. The bill is due. Pay the bill or you are taking a handout. Even the dense like you should understand. PAY YOUR BILL!

hobby

December 8th, 2010
10:41 am

seems like ole Ross Perot was right!! That hugh sucking sound is jobs going out of this country!

ctucker

December 8th, 2010
10:41 am

TO THOSE OF YOU WHO COMMENTED THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD JOBS:

Please tell me exactly where those jobs are, who to call about them, and I’ll write a column about all those good jobs that are going wanting. I keep hearing that there are five applicants for every job, but if you know something I don’t, please show me where those jobs are.

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:42 am

Wow RxDawg….and what motivation is that? I’ll put money down that even if corporate taxes are lowered to zero and every union disbands tomorrow the unemployment gauge doesn’t move more than a half a percent.

James

December 8th, 2010
10:43 am

Keep Up- fully expected you to say that versus “hey, good point, I will go do something more productive than sit in my glass house, throw stones, and think about other folks money”

James

December 8th, 2010
10:43 am

CT- coming to you shortly. Working on a rather large commercial cleaning contract- should know if a week.

Connie

December 8th, 2010
10:44 am

James

December 8th, 2010
8:25 am

Keep Up the Good Fight- I have this picture of you playing the theme to Rocky while you air box Greta every night while sipping a martini- go do something productive dude.

And James I get the picture of you doing the same with that “if I only had a brain” song from the Wizard of Oz.

ctucker

December 8th, 2010
10:44 am

Libertarian@10:38, Are you really suggesting that REpublicans are NOT huge proponents of outsourcing and free trade?

A Lumpkin Resident

December 8th, 2010
10:45 am

p.s. Anyone notice the liberal-progressive shift from using the term “Bush Tax Cuts” to “Bush-era Tax Cuts”. This has occurred in the last couple of months. I can’t figure out this new semantic twist, but the last time something like this happened is when Obama went from “jobs created” to “jobs created or saved” in his state of the Union address.

We know THAT semantic shift occurred so that Obama could lay claim to “saving jobs”… an unverifiable claim to make numbers to justify the stimulus.

ctucker

December 8th, 2010
10:45 am

Libertarian@10:38, Do you think the unemployed are going to Rathbun’s? Do you think the average American goes to Rathbun’s? I think you are elitist and out of touch.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:45 am

BW

- -How many people on the news have you heard got tied up in their homes even though they had guns?- -

Maybe I missed that story. I had a neighbor who air conditioned a thug’s chest who broke into his home, carrying an AK with a 9mm. But after the AJC featured an article about the guy, saying that his house was the only yellow house on a specific street, he was forced to move because of the death threats.

I visit the old neighborhood where a guy was unloading his car, three thugs beat him almost to death for 16 bucks and some gifts meant for his kids.

I’ll take the chance. I hope I never have to shoot someone, but I wouldn’t hesitate for a second.

Russ555

December 8th, 2010
10:45 am

What happens – either someone helps or they do they same thing they did in Ireland in the 1840’s when the potatos dissappeared.

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:45 am

Financial engineering creates no positive effect on the economy….it creates money on paper and a guaranteed fee in tangible money.

@wtf?

Blue collar workers are lazy…got it…what about all those white collar guys sitting at home?

wfclyon

December 8th, 2010
10:45 am

That’s a very general accusation. Could you be very specific about who, when and where when you make the following statement: “Many Republicans, especially, have portrayed the jobless as either shiftless deadbeats too lazy to look for work or pompous failures too proud to take a job beneath their social standing.”
One of my uncles lives in Kansas, is in his late 70’s, and a life-long Democrat. He became very disgusted with his son who was laid off and did not raise one finger to obtain a job for almost two years while he was collecting unemployment, but miracle upon miracles, was able to get a new job withing weeks of his last unemployment check. Oh forgot to add, my uncle wishes he had his vote for Obama back and will no longer be voting a straight Democrat ticket.

Connie

December 8th, 2010
10:46 am

Don’t hold your breath on any of these blowhards answering that job question Cynthia. Most of them are from that crowd that still believes Saddam Hussein had WMDs. They have all the answers without being able to answer anything.

ctucker

December 8th, 2010
10:46 am

A Lumpkin Resident@10:37, Whatever gave you the impression that my column was about people who “managed to put together a couple years work during their lives.” You know nothing about the people about whom I wrote.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:46 am

C Tucker

- -Please tell me exactly where those jobs are, who to call about them,- -

That’s like the man who has beat the crap out of every women he has ever dated saying: Where are all the good women.

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:47 am

Nothing Is Free

And you shouldn’t hestiate but thinking that no one has a bigger gun or is smarter when they are intent on getting something is a dangerous thought.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
10:48 am

How funny that many want to blame unions for jobs going overseas?

More NON UNION jobs have been outsourced to other countries than union jobs. Why no mention of that?

Customer service, programmers, engineers……. All sorts of jobs in industries that have had little to NO union representation.

If you want to make the point that unions played a part that is a valid issue up for discussion, but stop being disingenuous or just plain ignorant to the fact that it isn’t just union jobs being sent overseas. Regardless of the tax rate or regulations, many companies are still saving money by outsourcing and would be doing it no matter what. That is their right to do so, but lets deal in facts not pundit talking points

Equality 7-2521

December 8th, 2010
10:48 am

Cynthia,

It’s pretty amazing that you want to know where the good jobs are without being willing to create an economic environment that will generate good jobs.

And as we continue down this path, the reality is we do not deserve good jobs if we are going to penalize the successful, subsidize the unprofitable, and support forever the unemployed.

Bad businesses must be allowed to fail. Bad choices must have consequences.

“Through no fault of their own” is Obama and Company’s newest catchphrase.

Decades of ever expanding taxes and regulations on business has consequences. And this would not have happened without the votes of the masses, many who are now unemployed or underemployed, and it is indeed their fault.

wtf?

December 8th, 2010
10:48 am

ctucker – mistake number one in job hunting, you don’t pick up the phone to call and ask for a job. Get off your lazy ass and impress the employer, don’t call, that’s horrible advice

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:48 am

Kammy

One word answers are your strong suite. That and cut and pasting articles.

Now run along. K?

ctucker

December 8th, 2010
10:49 am

TXM@10:25, I am utterly delighted that you commented and brought some actual knowledge of the situation in Monroeville. Many of my commenters are mean and vicious and completely ignorant of the people of whom they speak.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 8th, 2010
10:50 am

James..child..your table is over there. Adults are over here. I am still not into you.

ButtHead

December 8th, 2010
10:50 am

Kamchak;,
It was our loser president and congress that GAVE wall street the billions they wanted so they could screw the America people so why not put the blame where it needs to be; on the Obozo administration. They are the ones who decided where the money would go…

AmVet

December 8th, 2010
10:50 am

Yep, tons of great jobs out there!

Or is this is a “jobless recovery”?

(I can never keep the Republirube talking points straight.)

Good times in Delusionville…

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:50 am

BW

What would you suggest?

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

December 8th, 2010
10:51 am

Ms. Tucker, the Duhmerican economy is turning out jobs all the time – lapdancers, prostitutes, Walmart greeters, and gardeners – and bodyguards – for the Wall Streeters on Long island, are the fastest growing fields… although wages are down for all of those positions.

And look at your “conservative” bloggers, Ms. Tucker – would you hire any of those idiots for anything?

George W

December 8th, 2010
10:52 am

Then it is time to re-educate and possibly seek a new line of employment.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
10:52 am

@wfcyclon

Citing your family member doesn’t make it a microcosm of all who are seeking work. Yes there are LAZY, dirtbags who will mooch off the system. We can argue all day about what that percentage is, but millions of people just didn’t become lazy as layoffs, etc exploded in the last few years

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:53 am

Who is saying that there are jobs out there?

They are gone, folks. They are in Mexico and India.

Yes, CT. Most of America is screwed. So why do you think the companies left?

George W

December 8th, 2010
10:53 am

CTucker….Actually you seem to know nothing about the people that you wrote about.

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:54 am

@Butthead…yes pretend Bush didn’t initiate TARP…completely absolve him of his bailout and pretend that Republicans are pro-small government. And while you’re in fantasy land keep pretending the corporations, those that actually have the money and run this country, give a damn about the “American people”

atp

December 8th, 2010
10:54 am

– Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

– Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

– Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

– Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

– In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

– People who reject the idea that “government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality” give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
10:54 am

@Butthead

Bush didnt initiate TARP? I’m sorry I must have been mistaken.

PUT IT ALL IN CONTEXT or STFU with you right wing talking points

dumbcrkr

December 8th, 2010
10:54 am

My Great-grandfather used to tell us of how he kept his rifle by his bedside because the so-called men from town would come by after getting liquored up and shoot into houses and other acts of terror. He used to tell us how any incident you tried to report went nowhere because the sheriff was one of them. I guess if some people are scared now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:55 am

They BOTH suck

It doesn’t take a lazy dirtbag to become frustrated and cease looking for work, especially when the government is taking up the slack.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

December 8th, 2010
10:55 am

There used to be jobs for middle-class folks with limited educations. There used to be jobs for middle-class people with good educations.

Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino, Indian, Pakistani, etc. workers work much cheaper. And, increasingly, smarter, as our education system continues its rapid decline to third-world (a.k.a. Dixie) status.

atp

December 8th, 2010
10:55 am

funny how liberals are all about charity…as long as someone ELSE is paying for it!!!!

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:56 am

Nothing Is Free

A slap of the fingers and morning in America again….there is no magic solution without pain…but I’m not going to pretend that either political party cares enough to fix it and wouldn’t rather pit us against each other on b.s.

BW

December 8th, 2010
10:57 am

atp

Got it liberals suck…do you have anything else to contribute?

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
10:57 am

Now run along.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I somehow work for you.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:57 am

BW

- – those that actually have the money and run this country, give a damn about the “American people”- -

PLEASE do not tell me that you think that there is a politician in Washington that gives a damn about you or any other American, except for their vote.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
10:57 am

@Nothing is free

They left for variuos reasons. labor cost, regulations, greed

That would depend on the industry and decision makers of the companies. I know many on the right like to paint it into one little pretty picture, but in reality it is much more complex.

Unions are part, but you are naive to think these companies would have stayed if unions didnt exists. Labor rates are too cheap to pass up for many companies. Some do it just to compete, while others do it just to pad the bottom line

No one answer………….. Not as much a left or right issue as each side loves to play up

willie lynch

December 8th, 2010
10:58 am

If their was an “economic enviornment” to create jobs what would those jobs be?

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:58 am

Kammy

- -You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I somehow work for you.- -

Considering how much time you spend here and on your knees for bookman, I’m pretty sure that you don’t work at all.

BW

December 8th, 2010
11:00 am

Nothing Is Free

I’m saying money talks and b.s. walks….corporations nor politicians care about anyone or anything except their next dollar. I don’t have an answer but many many good people will be left behind before this new Gilded Age is over

George W

December 8th, 2010
11:01 am

Heck, if someone is getting 99+ weeks of unemployment why would they want to go back to work?

AmVet

December 8th, 2010
11:01 am

Most multi-nationals left because simply put, they are run by traitors with NO loyalty to the United States of America.

Even though the rubes have given them virtually everything they asked for, including corporate personhood and bailout money to replenish their criminal endeavors!

The faketriot Titans of Malfeasance and Criminal Negligence on Wall Street hide behind that giant American flag, but have demonstrated unequivocally that they can and will screw anybody and everybody for a couple extra trillion pieces of silver.

And then move on to another land when the heat gets turned up even a tad.

That Old Glory should be taken down and given to someone who deserves to fly her…

George W

December 8th, 2010
11:02 am

I am sorry but a corporations responsiblity is not to “care about the people” they are soley responsible for profits.

Larry

December 8th, 2010
11:03 am

And I thought you actually had some constructive suggestions

TXM

December 8th, 2010
11:03 am

Cynthia – I always loved the fact that if you couldn’t reach someone in Monroeville or Frisco City, you could call the beauty or barber shop to find out where they worked or when would be the best time to call. Quite frequently, it would be “Oh, she’s sitting with Mrs. XXX for a few weeks, but I’ll give you the number there.” Many of the local ladies would end a phone call with “God bless you, honey.” Thank you for this post.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
11:03 am

They BOTH suck

Actually it is mostly for one reason: Operating costs are lower and profits are higher.

Now take a close look at what caused those operating costs to be so much higher here. Can you really say that Republicans have pushed legislation that limited the profitability of US corporations?

Small Biz

December 8th, 2010
11:04 am

I wouldnt wrap a fish with this column…more comic relief than anything.

Shaggy and Vinnie are spot on. Go to a fair tax, abolish the IRS. If you buy nothing, you dont pay tax. Makes far to much sense as Boortz descibes to EVER pass.

Dem support of unions is insane in a global economy. Global wage comparisons are a reality without import tarrifs which will never be implemented. Why? We are owned by the Chinese.

JC Watts had a great idea…Audit every branch of the federal government. You would cut zero services/entitlements, while spending 50% of the current budget.

Nice job Boehner, thats a start!

David

December 8th, 2010
11:04 am

Cynthia, you are lucky the AJC keeps you employeed. The main reason we are in this situation is Christopher Dodd, Barney Franks, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid,etc. Have you ever criticized them? If so, I would like to read it. Admit you are a socialist…….

Mr. C. Tucker

December 8th, 2010
11:05 am

I got a good job prospect for ya.
Planting tulips It’s hard work but pays well.

Planting tulips on my junk!

George W

December 8th, 2010
11:05 am

I dont think Cynthia is socialist….however she is a racist that only supports the Democrats no matter what the cost.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
11:05 am

AmVet

- -Most multi-nationals left because simply put, they are run by traitors with NO loyalty to the United States of America.- -

Said by the abusive husband:
Most women have left me because they are traitors with NO loyalty to me.

George W

December 8th, 2010
11:06 am

Nothing is Free….that was great.

Libby

December 8th, 2010
11:06 am

Gee, nobody was asking this 12 years ago when all the IT jobs went to India. Simple – you either learn new skills or work for the gubmint.

BW

December 8th, 2010
11:08 am

George W

Yes Cynthia hates white people…you sound good playing that victim card like a “liberal”

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
11:08 am

Go to a fair tax, abolish the IRS. If you buy nothing, you dont pay tax. Makes far to much sense as Boortz descibes to EVER pass.

Then why has it failed to even get out of committee under when both Democrats and Republicans have controlled Congress?

ctucker

December 8th, 2010
11:08 am

George W@11:05, Support for Democrats = racist?

Mike R

December 8th, 2010
11:09 am

Cynthia,

Your articles are like tabloids now. Spinning the jobs problem to being a republican caused issue is just a blatant lie. All you do is blame blame blame the GOP. Wake up girl and realize your party has controlled Congress for 4 years now and contolled the White House for 2. How long is enough Cynthia?? Honestly, how long is enough?? I wish you could be a little more unbiased in your writing. I guess the editor at the AJC is from the same thinking. Look at all the posts, virtually nobody agrees with anything you are saying. Doesn’t that make you question yourself even a little bit?? Sad…….

MC

December 8th, 2010
11:09 am

I kind of like the present division of power now. Guarantees that NOBODY gets anything without hammering out beneficial compromise. Kind of makes eunuchs out of the ideological purists doesn’t it? And who cares anyway? The country is better off without that kind of input. To all you right and left wing lunatics, I bid you goodbye and good riddance.

Tommy Maddox

December 8th, 2010
11:09 am

When jobs leave for good, you move to where jobs exist.

As for the town where the jobs had been, please refer to Detroit.

atp

December 8th, 2010
11:10 am

BW,

my posts were merely a counterpoint that, somehow, conservatives are not compassionate. Liberals like Cynthia always try to paint conservatives as bad guys because she, like other liberals, really have no facts to argue, so they just start ad hominen attacks.

And I really should start using the term progressive. Cynthia is not a liberal, she is a progressive. some of my best friends are liberals and I love them and their passion dearly. The only people in my life that I despise are hard core, left wing progressives from the likes of Pelosi. There is so much hate and anger in their hearts that, if they didnt constantly berate me for being anything other than a Pelosi- Koolaid drinker, I would feel sorry for them.

At some point in time, we Americans are going to realize that progressives like Cynthia and ultra-conservatives like Hannity are trying their best to rip the liberals and conservatives apart, and they are doing a good job at it. I love the liberal passion for the environment, social causes, and peace. I do not agree with their view of the science, methods, and probabilities of success, but I like listening to their viewpoints and passion. And more importantly, I like them because I know they are good, hardworking Americans that love this country and love their fellow man.

wtf?

December 8th, 2010
11:11 am

Check your facts the recession was NOT brought on by Wall Street Execs (code for whitey). It was caused by people buying homes they had no chance of affording. It’s ignorant to put blame elsewhere.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
11:11 am

Let’s face it folks

Last 30 yrs, the overall economy was based off of explosions of technology,construction, ie…. bubbles that have leveled off (and yes military spending) Yes technology advancements are still taking place, but the hiring has leveled off and we don’t need to even get into construction and housing.

As this was going on many jobs were outsourced and most are never coming back.

We are now left with no bubble to fuel the economy and a continuing dwindling job base of the “manufacturing” industries.

It is going to be a slow, slow recovery and we can argue what the left or right does, but their is no one panacea that is going send us soaring. Not Obama and the Dems nor Repubs.

We can argue until we are ‘blue’ or ‘red’ in the face, but at the same time we better be paying down any debt, and those without jobs better keep digging and working to get one.

Going to be slow.

George W

December 8th, 2010
11:12 am

Ctucker…no not at all. But you overwhelming biased views to favor blacks and degrade whites does!

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
11:12 am

BW

Money does talk. I’m reading a book Called The lighter side of All The Troubles In The World.

It was written in 1994. The author talks a lot about his visits to eastern block countries where profit did not guide the economy, but the government did. I love to go to Google Earth and see the places I am reading about. Most of the small villages that he mentions are simply gone. The land is all strip mined.

We have established a culture that has adopted the idea that profit is bad. The economy is profit. Without profit, we are the USSR and we all know how that worked out.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
11:13 am

@wtf?

partially true……… You forget that many banks and investment firms got into bundling loans and selling them which drove an over valued derivative and hedge fund market.

See TARP that both Bush and Obama used to bail out these folks as my proof

Small Biz

December 8th, 2010
11:14 am

Kamchak, you indirectly answered your own question. The FairTax is based off of REASON which isnt part of the equation for most politicians.

ButtHead

December 8th, 2010
11:15 am

BW,
Do you know how to read, I did not absolve anybody, so did you make that up? Typical liberal, create a lie and stick to it. No I will say it in plain English “The Obozo administration decided where the TARP money went”. So tell me how Bush decided where the money went? Oh that’s right he did NOT the dimactrats did… Buy the way just a wee bit more clarification, so read carefully you dimacrats, Bush signed TARP the dimacrats, who were in power wrote TARP, then decided where to put the money AFTER Bush was OUT of office. That should be clear enough for a dimacrat to undrestad.

ButtHead

December 8th, 2010
11:16 am

MC

December 8th, 2010
11:17 am

Small Biz the reason a Flat Tax or Fair Tax will never be passed is because the biggest beneficieries of all the loopholes, breaks, and deductions will never let it happen.

ButtHead

December 8th, 2010
11:17 am

Well said Small Biz

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
11:18 am

It was caused by people buying homes they had no chance of affording Wall Street’s unregulated derivatives market.

Fixed your typos.

wtf?

December 8th, 2010
11:18 am

CTuck, not all is bad, hip-hop sales are up, pants are saggin’ from coast to caost, there’s a half/half prez in the white house, thousands of babies are born each year with laughably un-hire-able first names pulled out of thin air, athletes and rappers replace absent fathers as the biggest role models, ect, ect, ect….. at least all of your supporters and a good portion of voting democrats are accomplishing their #1 goal in life…..TO STAY BLACK.

Power to the poeple and good luck with that.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
11:19 am

They BOTH suck

We actually have much more manufacturing happening on earth than any time in history. The trick is to get it back here.

Our government needs to take definitive steps to do that.

I will agree that both parties are liars. The democrats lie about caring about people and the Republicans lie about wanting to bring jobs back.

But again, until the sentiment that profit is bad is erased, we don’t have a prayer.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
11:19 am

@Nothing

Spin all you like. You can lower wages in the US and many jobs would still be going overseas. What they are paying even for programmers and engineers is SO much less than the average MARKET wage in the US.

The jobs were leaving regardless. You can make some valid points about unions, regulations, etc but it is only a fraction of the story.

Dont be naive….. The difference in most of the costs for the jobs being outsourced will not be made up by Repubs taking back the WH and Congress. If that were the case, why no slow down of outsourcing between 2000 and 2006?

You are making some valid points out to be the whole argument and YOU know its not the case.

Just as the left needs to take off their blinders, please take yours off as well

wtf?

December 8th, 2010
11:20 am

Both suck –

which came first? The bad decsions to get overextended when buing a home or wall st’s mishandling of their investments?

Debby22

December 8th, 2010
11:21 am

@ Call it like it is- What if someone was making $3600.00 a mo. got laid off, took a job paying $1200.00 a mo. The Mortgage is 1200.00 a mo. the HOA is $300.00 can’t sell the S.O.B. because the real estate market is so bad and no one wants to buy it. You are upside down on your Mtg. Forget about eating, or electricity because you simply don’t have it. Too old and sickly to work 2 jobs. What do u do? I moved here 23 years ago and when I first got here I had 3 jobs. I’m not lazy it’s just the age won’t let me do that anymore? You got milk?

mjj

December 8th, 2010
11:23 am

CT. Another day another way to disparage Republicans. If you would only do some research beofre you spit out you diatribe you would see two things. First, it is now the Dumbocrats who are resisting giving extended unemployment benefits in this deal. Why did you not mention that? Oh, I forgot, it only fits your agenda when Republicans say no. Second, there are 3.5 million jobs available out there in the private sector. Why is no one taking these jobs? I’ll tell you why, because unemployment benefits are more lucrative than the job at this point. Do away with unemployment and you will find these jobs are quickly gone. If market conditions would prevail as they should, supply of labor exceeds the demand for the moment. Therefore, one must lower their price to meet the demand. No different than when a company set a price point too high and no one buys the product. They realize this and lower their price to spur demand. But again Dems don’t like capitalist movements unless of course it benefits them. As a good Democrat who preaches the rich should share the load to those less fortunate, why haven’t you or Opie (Oprah) handed out buckets of your money as a show of good faith that you walk the walk instead of talk the talk? Hypocrit!!!

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
11:23 am

Kamchak, you indirectly answered your own question. The FairTax is based off of REASON which isnt part of the equation for most politicians.

Like it or not, the FairTax, if it ever does come out of committee, will be changed by the legislative process. So all the numbers/formulae/talking points that you have memorized from the two books that you were conned into buying are worthless.

barking frog

December 8th, 2010
11:23 am

Making SS available to 60 year olds would help
some. Men and single women cannot receive
money assistance from any govt source that I am
aware of, except unemployment. This must be
addressed as our economy changes. Free shoeshine
kits will not be enough. Too many guns floating
around.

Zeke

December 8th, 2010
11:23 am

Spot on MC. When Warren Buffet decries the present system because his secretary pays a higher percentage of her income in taxes than he does you know the folks that benefit the most from the present system and own the system will never allow it change. Then you have the politicians that enjoy using the tax system as a way to leverage power and votes will be happy to let the status quo live into eternity.

lynnie gal

December 8th, 2010
11:23 am

If you are a conservative who is among the displaced workers, and you elect a Republican who represents the interests of the wealthy that convinces you that tax breaks for millionaires is more important than helping you and your family this Christmas, then you are stupider than stupid, and therefore will likely never find work again. Enjoy the world you helped bring upon yourselves, Southern Republican, uneducated,, duped permanently poor!

Debby22

December 8th, 2010
11:24 am

And my last job was outsourced to India. I thought American companies were going to be penalized (taxed higher) for sending jobs overseas? Nobody care about nothing and nobody but themselves. I’m learning it’s a Dog Eat Dog world!

HopeForAtlanta

December 8th, 2010
11:24 am

“If your job experience is limited to cutting and dying at a textile mill, you’ll find it difficult to remake yourself as a nurse or a computer technician. ”

Why not encourage workers to diversify their skills? Invest in their future. While the workers can’t be blamed for the short term consequences they must adapt and move on. Jobs have been disappearing for centuries–ask a blacksmith.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
11:25 am

They BOTH suck

We are never going to agree about who caused this so let’s talk about fixing it. How do we do that? How do we get jobs back here?

Are unions helping to do that?

Is our minimum wage helping to do that.

Is our horrible education system helping to do that?

Is our tax structure helping to do that?

Don’t all of those things need to be drastically changed?

Do you think the democrats are going to fight the unions?

Do you see the democrats fighting to lower the minimum wage? (Neither party would touch that one)

Education is completely controlled by democrats and unions.

Who is fighting to raise taxes and who is fighting to lower them?

Both do suck, but who sucks on more issues. (It’s hard to believe that this is the topic for discussion)

Mala Cori

December 8th, 2010
11:26 am

TXM: Sure, it’s hard for the people of Monroeville to leave, but I came from the same type of pulp and paper town and left everything (my home, my family, my friends) to have a better life for myself and to not wait for a solution. Why didn’t CT stay in her home town? She knew it was a dying town.

The unions contributed to the demise of the pulp and paper towns across the country due to their inflexibility to move at a market pace (this comes from my personal experience in working in a pulp and paper mill for 10 years). Did CT ever even work in a pulp mill?. My town (which at one time had over 15 pulp and paper mills now only has one. A few year’s back one of the company’s unions wouldn’t work with the owners regarding pay cuts, so the owners shut the paper mill down in my town and moved it overseas. The workers all lost their jobs. The workers did something unique in that they pooled together and bought the paper mill (requiring that they give themselves pay cuts). 4 years later unfortunately, they went bankrupt as they didn’t know how to run a business efficiently, no matter how many cuts they gave themselves. It was too late — the owners were long gone and they didn’t have the skills to keep the place running. People need be nimble, quick thinkers, and continuous learners or you’ll be left behind.

Zeke

December 8th, 2010
11:26 am

mjj, please post the locations of these 3.5 million job openings you speak of. Cities, states, towns. I am sure a lot of folks would appreciate that.

Small Biz

December 8th, 2010
11:28 am

Thanks Butthead. Hows the Beav? MC- I cant speak to all the loopholes and breaks you describe, but you may be right. In my opinion, people who look for loopholes are simply trying to recover the taxes for which they are obligated to pay under the current system. If you convert to a consumption style tax, it is clear what you pay at time of purchase. It’s simplicity would put CPA’s out of business.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
11:29 am

@Nothing

This is not right or left. We can argue the degree of blame but fact is there is plenty to go around.

40 yrs ago the US didnt have much competition when it came to manufacturing. As China and other markets opened up, we have seen a decrease here in the States on a per-capita basis. No tax cut or decrease in wage can compete with 500.00 a month at BEST including benefits (if any) for what workers are doing it for overseas. The right might be selling you that, but it is what it is. The left needs to realize that as well when it defends unions for every single item of BS that they support.

With globalization, many in America across the board have benefited, but look at wages for the ‘middle class’. They are not keeping up with inflation. I’m not knocking the top 5%ers. Good for them and their hard work, but their increases in wages and wealth in the last 30 yrs skews the data and makes it look as if the whole country is gaining in this new economy. People can call me any name that they like, but the data speaking for itself.

How we get out of this mess to be honest is beyond my comprehension. I’m just glad, I have little to no debt, have saved money and made a few good investments

DDT

December 8th, 2010
11:30 am

Debbie22 you are obviously are way more in tune with reality than all these Fox News watching brain dead “conservatives” posting here today.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
11:31 am

One of my biggest client ever was a paper mill.

Most moved because of the EPA. The plants were built when dumping all those acids and chemicals into the ground water was OK. It was cheaper to move to another country than upgrade their plants.

There are exceptions, but not many.

Azazel

December 8th, 2010
11:32 am

Well jobs are gone for good!. R2D2 and C3PO can do more faster better and cheaper than humans. The result of our tedchnological evaolution is that maintaining industrial society modes of thinking in a post-industrial world is an ecology where there are more people than can be supported, through employment, since the modes of production are incresingly automated.

Wow

December 8th, 2010
11:32 am

“That’s because the recent recession, brought on by Wall Street excesses, isn’t the only culprit.
For decades now, globalization and technology have been grinding away at American jobs, a process which has gained speed of late.”
Hahahahahaha! How does this woman have a job? And why do I find myself reading her stuff? Because it’s hilarious, that’s why. She can’t really believe the garbage she writes, can she?

CHIPSHIRLEY.COM

December 8th, 2010
11:33 am

I agree completely…we definitely need to continue the benefits…
===============
The water of truth and not the gasoline of politics.
AM talker defends FDR on Pearl Harbor Day OMG!
First time FDR mentioned and not denigrated on US AM in more than a decade!!!
I’m serious folks. If you’ve done your due diligence and want to talk about politics in America today you have to fully realize that AM talkers have painted an evil lie about FDR very successfully. And their trick is that they let a lot of the worst lies be told by their callers who truly become threatening at times… and the way they endorse, ‘but don’t endorse’, is that they act interested…’hmmm, well a lot of people do feel that way…good point.’ And they will react that way to thinly veiled revolutionary rhetoric, which is utterly uninformed and the hosts all know this…except maybe Sean Hannity, he’s not smart.

Anyway.
So when Tim Bryant [WGAU morning host] played FDR’s Pearl Harbor reaction (given the day after) on the 69th anniversary of the event, today, it was quite a tribute and a much needed drink of the water of truth and not the gasoline of politics.
CHIPSHIRLEY.COM

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
11:34 am

@Nothing is free

No need to debate the tax issue again. Nominal rates across the board in the last 30 yrs, even if all rates would have went up next year, is much lower than previous 30yrs.

We can both show individual and corporate tax rates at different periods where GROWTH occurred and where it slowed down. My point: it is not the only factor in terms of supply and demand and a viable economy.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 8th, 2010
11:34 am

“the recent recession, brought on by Wall Street excesses, isn’t the only culprit.”
—————————-

The recent recession was brought on by deadbeats not paying their mortgages. Homebuyers got greedy and thought real estate would go up forever.

MC

December 8th, 2010
11:34 am

Absolutely BW. When the largest areas of job growth in a country is health care and accounting you know the end is near.

SMDH

December 8th, 2010
11:34 am

And Georgia will remain azz backwards and dumb forever…..

What a bunch of idiots. YOU really THINK that keeping the Bush tax cuts will be the answer. Uhhh, the have been in place for at least 8 years and we wound up on the brink of collapse..and as much as you hate to admit it, President Obama and his administration veered us away from disaster. The ReThuglicans held the American citizens hostage to keep those tax breaks in place for the wealthy. Call it what it is, WRONG! Yes, companies moved the majority of its labor to more corporate friendly countries and EXPECT tax breaks for them sending their products back for the U.S. to consume. Hmmm, while making record profits and flushing millions of American jobs (and not just wage positions, but, management and executive level positions.)

Yes, its a ReThuglican world….we ain’t seen nothing yet….

AmVet

December 8th, 2010
11:35 am

I warned him that persistent itch of his wouldn’t go away, no matter how much leg humping he performed, didn’t I?

Addiction is an ugly thing to behold.

Also, I’ve always admired (/sarc/) at that technique of using a small d for democrats and a capital R for Republicans – “The democrats lie about caring about people and the Republicans…”

I first noted it back in the 60s when I saw some of the racist tracts of the time that referred to black men and White men.

Niiice…

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
11:36 am

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
11:38 am

They BOTH suck

Then let’s hang it up. I agree, there is no simple solution.

The “Dirty Jobs” like steel and Paper have gone. Furniture is leaving NC and going to the orient. Our cars are decades behind even the Korean cars that we laughed at a few years ago.

I’m OK. My kids have good jobs. My old car will last a long time because it has no miles on it. (I walk to work. It’s only a few blocks rom home)

I guess I could retire to St. Croix, but how long would I enjoy doing nothing?Maybe that’s the answer. Play music in a little beach bar and make documentaries to be seen on Utube.

Small Biz

December 8th, 2010
11:39 am

Kamchak, thanks for the insight, I didnt realize there was a second book. I’m heading to the bookstore right after work. Got any stock tips?

Mala Cori

December 8th, 2010
11:39 am

I agree with most of the posters here that stupid people caused the economy to crash, not a system of government. With a free market, there are risks to any business venture you go into (including a mortgage). 8 years ago I was at one time approved for a mortgage of $600,000. With my basic high school math skills, I quickly realized the banks were crazy and that I could barely afford a home in the $150,000-$200,000 range. I bought an affordable small 2 bedroom house at a price I could manage in any economy. My co-workers and friends made fun of us at the time and thought we were cheap. Guess who’s laughing now? Every investment is a risk (even a home). If you took a big risk and lost big, it’s no one’s fault but your own. I grew up with simple values from immigrant parents where paying with real cash (not credit) was a constant message. They grew up in a war torn country, and warned that the best economies can fall in a heartbeat and that you need to be prepared (even in America). Nobody ‘lost’ a home if the bank owned in the first place. I can’t stand when the media states that people are ‘losing’ their homes. In actuality, they lost a rental agreement with a bank. As long as I have a mortage, I don’t believe I own my home. I’m paying rent to a bank while taking on all the expenses and risk. When it’s paid, I’ll breath a little (as long as taxes don’t cheat me out of my hard work).

Question...

December 8th, 2010
11:41 am

Kamchak-

What would you do to fix this mess that we’re in?

Azazel

December 8th, 2010
11:41 am

NOTHING WILL BRING BACK JOBS THAT ARE NO LONGER NECESSARY!! It’s not tax cuts, illegal aliens, outsourcing, Jack the Ripper or Freddy Krugger that have led to high unemployment — it is technology that has reduced the need for labor and changed modes of production to encapsulate labor needs into simple individual enterprises.

willie lynch

December 8th, 2010
11:43 am

Debby22

December 8th, 2010
11:21 am

Your situation is mirrored by many other Americans. It’s a sad state of affairs.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 8th, 2010
11:44 am

Kamchak would take more from people who work for a living and give it to those who don’t.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
11:44 am

@wtf?

Bundling is not knew, so we can argue that point all day. It got out of hand with the issue you correctly pointed out. Just like no one put a gun to the borrowers head, no one made these banks and investment firms purposely hyper-inflate something they knew or should have known would burst

I have no issue saying that people were stupid for buying more than they should, but I will also say any bank that gave 250k loans with little to no money down and person make 50k didn’t need to be bailed out. They need to suck it up as well as the buyer. Problem is that more banks/investment firms, etc are getting more WELFARE than the home buyers. And yes both Parties gladly BAILED them out.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
11:45 am

AmVet

You are pathetic. No body is humping your leg. It’s just that your ideas are so bigoted and so wrong, it is always such a pleasure to slap them down.

You say that corporations are traitors but I have never seen a single post from you or most any other liberal praising capitalism or profit-making. So what are they betraying? Hate and going broke? The abusive husband is the perfect parallel.

You are a simpleton, pal. Deal with it.

MC

December 8th, 2010
11:47 am

Mala Cori….at first I thought you were too good to be true but the minute you mentioned immigrant parents I knew you were the real deal. But please be careful. Some of your supporters here will now turn on you like a pack of rabid dogs and look for a way to deport you. This is Georgia you know.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
11:48 am

@Nothing

Regardless of political persuasion, thanks for being one of the few with intelligent posts and thoughtful opinion and insight to your point of view.

have a great day

Good Grief

December 8th, 2010
11:48 am

Kamchak – I’m proud of how well you’ve memorized your talking points on the Fair Tax and the books written about said topic.

Small Biz

December 8th, 2010
11:51 am

Lil Barry, go easy on him, he’s just misguided. I do like the concept, you sound like a man who works hard for what he makes. If the tax breaks go through, I’ll be hiring Q1. Need a job?

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
11:51 am

@wtf

meant to type “new” not “knew”………

Not the best typist and when I’m trying to do two things at once, I get even worse at it.

Keep fighting the good fight for what you believe

Max

December 8th, 2010
11:52 am

Cynthia, how much “extra” taxes do you pay???

Carl Davis

December 8th, 2010
11:53 am

I need a job Small Biz. What is the name of your company?

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
11:53 am

They both suck

You too. If I decide to move to St. Croix, I’ll let you know.

Azazel

December 8th, 2010
11:54 am

FIX THIS MESS:
1. Envision a society where one’s worth is not place on labor.
2. Assure infrastructure can support technological evolution.
3. Use technology to support society at low or no costs.
4. Make intelligent use of technology to create essentially free energy; and, avoid the sorrows of empre.
5. Assure a clen and healthy environment; musch new research points to social, economic and physical environmental issues lead to cross generational proclivity for chronic disease, low birth weight and obesity.
6. Assure and demand support for world class competive education for our children.
7. Assure: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,
Just for starters — think of the jobs I just created

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 8th, 2010
11:55 am

Thanks, Small Biz. I’m certainly not averse to new opportunities! I don’t need a job, so I’m probably just the kind of person you’re looking for.

Say it Aint so

December 8th, 2010
11:57 am

Cynthia,

Again here you go, take take take, give me give me give me.

American companies are leaving america because of the regulations that your democratic counterparts have put on them. You big labor unions have taken over the rules of private companies forcing them out of business. Then your cap and trade, ahhhh ha ha ha ha. that was a real job killer and you know it.

Cynthia, unemployment is insurance paid for by the employer. Its good for 26 weeks. When you extend that 26 weeks then you have another social program simular to welfare only these people dont have to qualify by income, they just complain, stand in line and get their money at tax payer expense. Now make them qualify after 26 weeks and you might find out that a lot of these people are not hurting at all. They have a very good family income though their spouce.

I dont have a problem with the unemployment being extended but after the initial 26 weeks, you need to qualify just as you would for welfare. After your benefits are expired then its up to your family income. By doing that a lot of people would no longer qualify. Sorry landlord, sorry doctors wife, sorry wife of accountant, sorry dentist husband. Stop taking my tax money without verifying the need first. 26 weeks, then qualify by need.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
11:57 am

What would you do to fix this mess that we’re in?

Much smarter people than me have tried and failed at that task

I was against all of the bail-outs.I say let there be a planet-wide melt-down. Only through pain do we learn from our mistakes.

It took the pain of the Great Depression to enact the regulations necessary avert another one, but one by one we deregulated the financial sector to the point they were at in the late twenties.

So we had another melt-down. Really no big surprise. Brooksley Born warned about the dangers of deregulation, specifically the derivatives market, but no one wanted to hear it.

willie lynch

December 8th, 2010
11:58 am

I’m still having trouble with this blaming the borrower. Sure if you can’t afford it you shouldn’t buy it but that’s why financing was created to give the illusion of the ability to afford. But if I’m a banker why would I loan 500K to someone who doesn’t have the ability to handle the payments that come along with that?

A person who lends money will always want to know where you’re comfortable with a certain payment amount. Once you’ve given that information their job is to raise that number in small increments. Now that you’ve committed to $800.00 per mth what’s $50.00 more dollars going to hurt. It’s a game that’s played everyday and because people like shiny new things they bite.

Not everyone is as saavy as all of us on this blog. There is such a thing as a predator and they wear suits too.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 8th, 2010
11:59 am

People who want to fix problems aren’t consumed by rehashing yesterday’s.

another voice

December 8th, 2010
11:59 am

Just a few comments and observations. I’m thankful to George W for noting that corporations are not responsible for caring about the people. Now if someone would kindly explain that to the Supreme Court of the United States in their ruling that is based on the idea that corporations are as much the people as are we the people. It seems a fundamental notion of being human is that one cares about humans. Did not one once say something to the effect that we are to love one another as we love ourselves?

Speaking of spin…while the Bush tax cuts have become the Bush era tax cuts according to those on one side of the aisle, some on the other side of the aisle now say that they are not tax cuts at all but merely an extension/revision of the tax rate structure. Yet when the current tax rates were being debated, voted on and heralded in 2001 and 2003 they were trumpeted as tax cuts by everyone from the White House to the Heritage Foundation.

About unions and minimum wage and their influence in the job market….only 12 in every 100 workers in the United States is a union member. In the private sector only 7 in 100 workers are union members. Those numbers have been consistent for several years. Thus, the effect of unions being greatly responsible for our lack of jobs in today’s market and responsible for the shift of jobs to overseas markets is minimal. As for the minimum wage it is $7.25 per hour That is $290 a week, That is $15,080 annually. That does not seem like a whole lot in today’s world. How can that be such a hindrance to a company’s bottom line? But then again as one noted earlier, a corporation is solely responsible for profits not to care about the people.

Equality 7-2521

December 8th, 2010
11:59 am

Cynthia has not commented directly on any of the suggestions that would create a better job environment in Georgia.

The only conclusion is that this is not really about actually creating jobs in Georgia, but having someone to blame.

Erica

December 8th, 2010
12:00 pm

I for one am so very tired of watching the endless fingerpointing. Whose fault is our current status? Democrats? Republicans? Progressives? Does it really matter? Here are the fundamental questions, in my mind, as another hard working citizen who is somewhat disillusioned at the direction our country seems to be headed in. Her are the questions: 1) Is the US economy/society/culture now going to be simply comprised of the wealthy and the poor with no working middle class? 2) If yes, who will comprise the wealthy v. the poor?, 3) What if anything, will be done to ensure the basics for the poor (i.e. food, shelter, clothing, health care). Or will they simply be expected to survive via Darwinism? 3) At the end of the day, what really can each American citizen expect of our government in terms of its role in our (i.e. support and defend, taxation, governance,etc.) 4) Is our country moving towards the whole states’ rights governance model that was the genesis of the civil war? 5) Is there such a thing as “equality” in the U.S.,in terms of rights to finding employment, health care, etc? Or has our culture now shifted to a “sink or swim on your own” model. I think that our country is at a major crossroads in our history. One thing is clear, in order for the US to move out of its current crisis state, the country needs to decide if “who’s to blame” is more important than unity.

AmVet

December 8th, 2010
12:05 pm

NiF, here is the bottom line.

If there was am absolute mandate on these forums prohibiting childish and loutish behavior you would be long gone.

In other words, were you required to avoid making insult-laden, unprovoked, personal attacks against other people here, you would not last a single day.

Hell, more often than not you can’t even make your first post of the day towards me of that non-insulting variety. As was the case this very day.

Clearly, you are absolutely tormented by my opinions. Why? I haven’t the foggiest. Because it certainly is a one-way street.

Again, nobody here is mistaken.

If you had to talk only about the issues and not the other bloggers here you would suffer the same fate you did at Bookmans. Being banned to blogging Land of Nod.

You have a lot to contribute and are clearly are very bright and experienced, but your puerile behavior and incessant attempts to turn this forum into a school yard full of brats is beyond tiresome.

For gawdsakes man, grow up and quit making everything personal…

Scooter (The Original)

December 8th, 2010
12:06 pm

Let’s us look past the obvious fact that most jobs move over seas because we have an excessively onerous regulatory and tax environment for businesses to operate in. The main creators of that hostile business environment are populists democrats. So look in the mirror when you are typing about outsourcing CT, politically strong arming businesses does not create jobs. It’s high time the people of this country learn that and realize not even government can make life “fair”.

Azazel

December 8th, 2010
12:07 pm

There is no one to blame! Politicians and corporations have behaved expectedly based on their foundations in concentration of wealth and power at the expense of any large scale innovations that would dissolve the power assymetry they enjoy.

Rafe Hollister

December 8th, 2010
12:08 pm

This country continues to do stupid things that make the situation worse. We have few industries left and people are desperate for jobs, oil prices are rising to the point that they will demand more of our household budgets than any tax savings can make up for.

So what does Barry do? He bans offshore drilling for the forseeable future, a decision that makes these problems worse. You can’t make this stuff up!

snoqualmiefalls

December 8th, 2010
12:11 pm

It’s been 4 weeks since the mid terms, so I ask my Republican, conservative, Tea Party friends, in what has been described as a “mandate” for your politics…… where are the jobs, where are the jobs?

Libertarian

December 8th, 2010
12:15 pm

HAHA…CT calls me an elitist. Hilarious. Well, CT there are LOTS of folks going to Rathbun’s. The place was full to the max.

And I don’t want to throw sticks and stones about Repubs vs Dems…I said YOU don’t offer any solutions…you just criticize republicans. But you conveniently forgot to address that part of my post. I won’t hold my breath.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
12:15 pm

For gawdsakes man, grow up and quit making everything personal…

If only….

Wage Slave

December 8th, 2010
12:15 pm

Anyone who really wants to work can find a job. The recession ended over a year ago and employers are hiring. If you’re unwilling to do work that’s beneath your perceived status for less money than you earned previously then you’ll be unemployed forever.

The latest welfare benefits extension just enables these shiftless slackers to sit on their ass for another 13 months.

Soames

December 8th, 2010
12:16 pm

Currency reform will solve a lot of our job woes. Politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle have been waiting on our largest trading partner (China) to change their ways and play by WTO rules, rules that they agreed to. The current Administration acts like it wants to address this issue but they aren’t going to. Geithner won’t even call them out as currency manipulators, even though the rest of the World knows it. Republicans and Democrats are both culpable.

China were mercantilists before mercantilism was cool. Mercantilism and global free trade cannot coexist.

Back to your partisan bickering….

Roark

December 8th, 2010
12:18 pm

…and what exactly is too old to learn a new skill? perhaps that is a condition that qualifies one for the death panels. By the way, who is Tucker to accuse anyone of mean-spirited criticism? There is nothing but typical attacking, partisan noise here.

Perhaps Tucker should have borrowed more heavily from the solid analysis posted by Dr Jason Thomas today on the CNN opinion page.

In the middle getting squeezed

December 8th, 2010
12:18 pm

jconservative@9:25 am

Good post.

————————————————

Let’s go a little further.

The NAFTA plan and MFN status have totally forked manufacturing in this country. Those countries subsidize the plants built and care nothing for the environment in those areas. That and extremely low wages make it impossible for American workers to compete. The import taxes need to be raised to take into account the manufacturing costs that the government is subsidizing.

I know Americans want cheaper cost products, but at what cost to the USA. We don’t need to buy underwear weekly. Most of the products made in other countries are WANTS for the American buyers.
We are old enough that our wants don’t hurt us if we don’t get them.

Has anyone been to Kannapolis NC recently to see what happens to a town when the ONLY decent jobs in town leave?

Read up on Cannon Mills and see the what and why they closed ALL their mills in 2002.

To those who suggest moving to where the jobs are. Have you thought of the costs of moving? Does the man or woman of the house just leave to find work (leaving the rest of the family behind)?

And by the way Harry Callahan.

I have seen some of your posts in the past where you say you have shown them to co-woorkers for a laugh and that you work 50 hour weeks.

Is this because you and your co-workers are doing the work of another that was layed off? Maybe the company you work for can go to 60 hour weeks and lay someone else off. Maybe you.

I suggest you show all the posts you have made over the months to your BOSS and possibly stockholders in your company before they decide who gets layed off next.

GT/MIT

December 8th, 2010
12:20 pm

@ ctucker;

I have read with interest your comments about jobs, WHAT you believe creates or dissolves them. I don’t know what brought you to some of the conclusions you’ve drawn but you and many others who rely on someone else for their livelihood, need to take a closer at the WHY of job creation.

For the most part small business owners mortgaged the security of themselves and their families to start their company. They did not wake up one morning and lo-and-behold they were entrepreneurs, as many of your correspondences seem to think. Another important bit of information is, that they did not risk their future just so you could have a job. They were attempting to, dare I use the word, profit, from their investment.

I believe I read somewhere that you believe government, especially Republican government is the root cause of “out sourcing”. Taint so, although government restriction, bureaucratic meddling, and taxation, don’t help much, the overriding reason companies move their operation to other countries, is “labor cost”.

Somewhere around the mid 1950’s labor unions ran out of things to demand, so in order to keep up membership (dues), they decided push on until someone stopped them. Well, nobody did and as a result we lost our competitiveness in the world market. In steps the government, but they realized that there were too many votes at stake to throttle back the unions. I know said one politician to another, lets levy an import tax on products made in other countries that can be sold to consumers cheaper than our own stuff, that way the unions will still love us, throw money into election campaigns, and maybe even vote for us. We’ll be artificially competitive and no one will care.

Now to my point in this mess, I ask you ms. Tucker, which party does the labor unions support ?, taint the Republicans.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

December 8th, 2010
12:22 pm

You know, I have seen a lot in my life, but it just never ceases to amaze me how little you know about jobs, economy and such, but yet you have no fear in making a fool of yourself…I guess I should admire that.

Many manufacturing jobs leave largely because of taxes and unions. Between those two, companies have to find a way to cheapen the manufacturing or their products will cost to much and no one will by them. Now, many companies have gone over board thinking they can outsource everything. It happens that a painful lesson is often learned and these companies lose billions because of outsourcing. It’s really to do with skilled labor. Any momo can push a button, but the skilled labor outsourced often turns out to be a disaster. There is a lot of infrastructure that is taken for granted in the U.S. that simply isn’t present in the foreign countries. So in the end it’s actually self regulating.

Now jobs change, you have to adjust that’s all their is to it. It’s really not more complicated than that. You don’t see elevator operators any more, and its ludicrous to pay someone to push a button just to give somebody something to do.

Scout

December 8th, 2010
12:22 pm

“What happens to workers when jobs leave for good?”

Ah, …………… they don’t have jobs anymore?

By the way, if anti-capitalist, pro-union, elitist, tax tax tax, knucklehead liberals didn’t force corporations to go overseas we might not have this problem.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 8th, 2010
12:22 pm

snoqualmiefalls: where are the jobs, where are the jobs?
————-

Ask the Democrat party, which holds large majorities in both houses of Congress as well as the White House. ‘Tard.

granny godzilla

December 8th, 2010
12:25 pm

What happens to workers when jobs leave for good?

Based on what I have read above…..the typical American conservative
doesn’t give a rats ass – as long as they have theirs.

Anybody surprised in the least?

Just Existing

December 8th, 2010
12:27 pm

CT-
The ignorance and viciousness of some of these posters takes one’s breath away, doesn’t it?

They don’t have, don’t want and never will get a clue as far as the plight of the long-term unemployed goes. I worked for 40 years in the healthcare industry before I lost my job in 2009 and NO one wants to hire anyone over the age of 55
or who has been out of work longer than six months.

Thank you for lending your voice of reason and sanity in a world which would rather prefer to see us cease to exist.

Mala Cori

December 8th, 2010
12:28 pm

MC: Don’t worry. I’m a legal American citizen and my parents waited 10 years for the appropriate paperwork to immigrate here from Europe in the late 60’s. I respect all immigrants, but don’t support illegal immigrants and refuse to hire them or use contractors that sub contract to them. My parents never worked under the table. My mom cleaned houses and was paid in cash, but they always reported every dime of her income to the IRS (I used to help them fill out their tax returns even at 12 yrs old to make sure their spelling was understandable). Next to not living on credit, my parents said that the next most important rule of finance is to meet your tax obligations (something a few politicians should learn). Their English wasn’t great, but they spoke several other languages and always worked on improving their English. My parents are in their 80’s now and still take community college classes in language and computer sciences. They bank on-line, read news and trade stocks on the internet, work out, garden, etc. If they had to go to work tomorrow, they’d be hired for sure! I am proud to pay my fair share of taxes, but don’t think I should pay more because of a government’s (or public’s) mismanagement of finances.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
12:30 pm

@GT/MT

Nice post with some valid points, but you purposely fail to mention that numerous jobs in various industries with little to no union representation have also been outsourced.

If you take about 5 minutes or less, you can quickly look up that most of the outsourcing have been NON UNION jobs.

You are more than welcome to believe that less regulation and taxes are going to keep jobs in the US when they are being outsourced to people making in many cases less than 5000.00 per year. That is your choice.

Granted unions have not helped, but you seem to be much smarter than the biased, one sided posts you bring to the table.

Put it ALL in context, not just what you want to believe. You cry about CT (yes she is guilty) yet you do the same exact thing. Two peas in a pod?

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
12:34 pm

People keep talking about the corporate tax rate in the US.

On paper it is one of the highest in the world, but is it the rate that the majority pay or not?

Who knows where we rank in terms of nominal rates?

I do

Nominal rate = actual rate paid for those on either side that do not know

willie lynch

December 8th, 2010
12:35 pm

Just Existing

December 8th, 2010
12:27 pm

There won’t be much argument coming your way. Reality shuts their mouths.

HDB

December 8th, 2010
12:38 pm

Wage Slave December 8th, 2010
12:15 pm

Not EVERYONE can find a job; there are those 50+ year olds that employers are not hiring! They are either considered too old or “overqualified” for whatever’s out there!!

unsympathetic

December 8th, 2010
12:38 pm

I just spoke with someone the other day that lost their job as a crane operator. Instead of sitting around for 99 weeks on unemployment, he looked into becoming a truck driver as soon as he felt his job was in danger. Within 4 months of being laid off he had a CDL and was working for a company. Today he is making the same amount as he did as a crane operator. There is also a shortage of truck drivers. Guess it is about priorities. Are these people willing to leave their comfortable hometown, which lacks opportunity, create a business, retrain for a new profession, or work for $10 an hour(same as unemployment)? Also, unless you have Alzhemers, it’s never too late to learn a new skill.

unsympathetic

December 8th, 2010
12:39 pm

Meant to say Alzheimer’s (sorry for the typo)

Darko

December 8th, 2010
12:42 pm

Sadly sooner or later the people who lose those manufacturing jobs have to face the reality – that income isn’t coming back. Long term unemplyment benefits only delay facing the facts. Of course, “educated” people don’t pay attention to where things were made and often pat themselves on the back for buying a foreign car that was “assembled” in the US. But an American car assembled in Canada or Mexico means far more jobs to the US. Don’t give me that quality BS, I’ve driven American cars to over 200k with no engine or transmission failures and none of that expensive 30k, 60k and 90k maintenance Toyota and Honda takes you for. It’s worse with other industries where there’s nothing left. I’ve been buying made in USA (or at least North America) whenever possible for the past 25 years.

ronald

December 8th, 2010
12:45 pm

Cynthia- Please stop your distortion of Wall St. You’ve never worked half as hard as they work and your class envy is leading you to say things that just aren’t true.

You said “That’s because the recent recession, brought on by Wall Street excesses, isn’t the only culprit.”

The recession was brought about because US consumers stopped making their mortgage payments. Wall St. did not force people to stop making mortgage payments. Wall Street held many of the mortgage backed securities that were backed by those mortgages and were they themselves damaged by the consumer’s failure to make payments. (see Lehman Brothers failure).

ml

December 8th, 2010
12:46 pm

the myths that everybody down on their luck deserves it and caused it all by themselves is so horrible to hear people say, so heartless, especially when it comes from people that say they are similar to Jesus. and they crazy mixed up myth of trickle down economics.
it’s really hard to keep watching middle class people who know the rich CEO types are hurting them continue to angrily defend and continue to support them and their sidekicks the Republican Party. I thought surely by now people would have wised up. nope. got to admit to fault first and after demonizing others to support something clearly bad, that’s hard to do. but being without money and being desperate is even harder and still people can’t put down the BS and starts really fixing things. it’s unbeleivable.
corporations have so rigged things and so manipulated the system. they move their plants overseas and blame the American worker or some filthy liberal for it.
then they can profit even further by just floating the rumor around a couple or so states that they are thinking about building a plant in the area. KIA, etc. states get into a bidding war with each other and then they can receive things like free land to build that plant on or huge tax breaks and even total tax credits, something no small business has available to them. but I thought capitalism was all fair. all this just the state can get a little tax money from workers salaries and a few other pennies elsewhere. hardly justifying the concessions given to get the business built in the state.
and these are the people, the CEO’s and Republican politicians, that whine and say they need more tax breaks.
how in the world is any person who isn’t a greedy rich person still supporting these ’shoot yourself in the foot’ tactics?

Hmmmmm

December 8th, 2010
12:47 pm

@ CAS Dec. 8th 8:45 am

Well said…I agree with you. The sad part about all of this is that this seems to be a political issue and we have the urge to place the blame with one party or the other. When do we stop? When the country is flat on its back? Come on folks its time to stop fighting, and come up with some real answers!

I will start…how about encouraging the poor and middle class to save more, and spend what they must wisely? So that in the event of a crisis or the next bubble bursting they might have something to sustain themselves.

How about teaching our children to dream of owning their own businesses?
How about really making an effort to make Public Education a great Education?
We spend Billions on prisons (air condition, 3 squares, television, recreation, clothing, water, medical care, computer access, libraries)these are some of the luxuries prisoners and inmates have.
But when it comes to helping a productive other wise hardworking U.S. Citizen get through a rough time we have a problem with it? I’m just saying? LET’S MOVE FORWARD!

Mala Cori

December 8th, 2010
12:49 pm

willie lynch: I can understand your point about ‘not blaming the borrower’, but we need some common sense in our society. Everyone is trying to sell you something every minute of the day. One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist or an accountant to control themselves and not buy into a sales pitch. I think self control of personal finances is something that can’t be taught at school or by the government. It really starts with good common sense economic values at home. And if you can’t get financial education from your parents or school, you can go to the library, read on-line etc. In an age of 100% access to information, how can people be so dumb when it comes to managing a dollar or buying into a sub-prime mortage and not understand the risks? Peraonl finances for the average America is not calculus; it’s basic grade 6 math. It puzzles me???

Jeff

December 8th, 2010
12:51 pm

CT, I’ll give you the opportunity that you so kindly gave us: What specifically do you propose to cut from the budget in order to pay for this?

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
12:52 pm

AmVet

- -Hell, more often than not you can’t even make your first post of the day towards me of that non-insulting variety.- -

My original post to you this morning:

It’s the wars, huh?
LOL!!
How pathetic.
The vast majority of the cost of the wars go back into the US economy. Do you think we build tanks and F-22s in Mexico?

Perhaps you should start posting on a site about gardening or home décor. I don’t think your skin is thick enough for a political blog.

Tell Bookman I said hello.

Understands business needs

December 8th, 2010
1:00 pm

This column is a perfect example of why The Atlanta Journal / Constitution’s readership drops every year. Why is Cynthia Tucker not fired? I did not read about the mounds of government regulation heaped apron all manufactures. Of course bleeding heart liberals like Tucker would never understand this.

Choices

December 8th, 2010
1:01 pm

Hi all, just to interject some perspective into the argument. I work in HR, and literally just came back from a UI hearing. The reason for the hearing? An employee couldn’t find a babysitter for her kids, and called her employer and said she was quitting, because she had already received warnings regarding her absenteeism.

The DOL in it’s infinite wisdom allowed the awarding of benefits to the employee becuase she was FORCED to quit to take care of her kids. In addition, the original determining officer scolded my client and accused her of “punishing an employee because she has kids” (Really, I’m not making this up).

Obviously I appealed that determination and had to spend the last 2 hours convincing the DOL that Georgia is an at will state, and the employee is free to quit her job if she finds it to inconvenient to her childcare schedule. However, it is not the employers responsibility to assure that employees have , babysitters, childcare, carpools, bus fare etc…. and to award an employee benefits for her actions is GROSSLY inappropriate.

Hopefully this time around the DOL will see the light. My point? we could save MILLIONS of dollars by replacing the Governemnt rubber stampers with people that actually use basic evaluation and decision making processes.

Thanks for the rant.

Billybob

December 8th, 2010
1:01 pm

CT says….don’t worry peeps, me and duh gub’t gon’ take care of ya’ fo’ever, just gib us yo’ vote when da’ vote time comes. Dem’ mean ole’ ‘publicans don’t care none ’bout you. ‘Publicans wanna teach you to fish, but me an duh gub’t jus’ give da’ fish to ya’. What be easier for ya’? Don’t fo’get, when da’ vote time comes, democrat vote is free fishes an da’ ‘publican vote is dat’ nasty workin’ fo’ da’ fishes. The far left is so easy to dissect, so please keep talking Tucker, you continue to help……conservatives.

Good Grief

December 8th, 2010
1:04 pm

CT – How about this for a question:

“What incentives do corporations have to stay in the US?”

If I’m a business, and the government tells me they are raising my taxes, I have to pass that along to the consumer through either a higher price for goods and service, or a cut in overhead (labor, materials, etc.) in order to maintain profitability. At some point, though, customers wills top using my service because of the price. If I want to stay in business I can either cut my workforce further, or I can move to a country that won’t raise my taxes.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
1:04 pm

Who knows where we rank in terms of nominal rates?

Well according to CBPP, between 2000-2005 it was 13.4% while other developed countries averaged 16.1% But there will be people that point to the 35% statutory rate.

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
1:05 pm

The Tribe has spoken….Nonsense is off the island.

I missed his complete ban from Bookman. I would have have enjoyed that one.

Too bad even the simplest of statements is not true from Nonsense. Yes we may assemble tanks and F-22s in the US but not all of the parts are made in the US. But absolutely no proof that the “vast majority of costs of the wars go back into the US economy” and it ignores the drain on the US economy.

But certainly Nonsense’s head is thick enough for a blog.

Chris Matthews

December 8th, 2010
1:05 pm

All Democrats fault! Sorry CT, I can’t put you back on my show because the ratings are always lower when you are a guest!

GT/MIT

December 8th, 2010
1:05 pm

They BOTH suck

I going to guess that your a union person and as such feel singled out for criticism. I can assure you that thats not the case. I believe that if you’ll actually read my post you’ll find in it this quote, “although government restriction, bureaucratic meddling, and taxation, don’t help much, the overriding reason companies move their operation to other countries, is “labor cost”. The latest example of this is the administrative and monetary burden placed on business by what has been called “Obama care”. No small thing and the more employees the larger the burden.

When an organization, a union in this case tells you that as an employee you somehow have a right to help manage the company and share in the rewards even though you have taken no risks, I believe a reasonable person would know the sump um just ain’t right here. Every employed person deserves to be equitably compensated for his contributions to the company, however the value of that contribution should be judged by the person who risked his entire future to establish that enterprise. If as an employee you don’t agree, you are free to seek employment elsewhere.

You won’t like this either, the right to disagree is yours.

Williebkind

December 8th, 2010
1:07 pm

We need to start maufacturing products in the US again. Fire CT and hire her as an industrial housekeeper. Repeal her PP award and monies received from this affirmative gift. Also, make GG’s husband work for a US company in the US or fire him too.

Remember that global economy the liberals have pushed on us along with global warming and CO2 intoxicants. The liberals have starved an oil based economy and now look at gas prices the meager income people have to pay. Yes it will take years to bring the economy back but even longer if the democrats do not take back their party. Liberals are cancer to this country and any country. They put vile disgusting behavior as a priority and that too will add to the misery of our land.

Kentucky is building an Ark replicant that will bring millions into the cash starved state. Now liberals are screaming separation of church and state. I thought the Ark is part of history. I guess that has been rewritten by liberals too. This separation of church and state is a liberal interpretation and is factually baseless. But what can we expect from progressive liberals.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
1:08 pm

This column is a perfect example of why The Atlanta Journal / Constitution’s readership drops every year.

If I had a ha’penny for every time that worthless little tidbit has been posted…

This is what you get when you vote Republican!!!!

December 8th, 2010
1:08 pm

Wanna know what happened to our country, everyone of you posters need to read:

WILLIAM KLEINKNECHT’S BOOK:
RONALD REAGAN, THE MAN WHO SOLD THE WORLD?

Where did it all begin: January 1980. When did it all end? January 2010.

Anybody who believes that the majority of the unemployed is sitting at home
waiting for welfare, is an idiot; and if you are going to talk about the unemployed,
please speak of the corporate welfare that has bankrupted this nation.

Williebkind

December 8th, 2010
1:12 pm

This is what you get when you vote Republican!!!!

December 8th, 2010
1:08 pm
You are great progressive liberal–enough said!

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
1:12 pm

This column is a perfect example of why The Atlanta Journal / Constitution’s readership drops every year.

Personally I blame Wingfield but then I figured out all I have to do is ignore him…..So once you Understand, you can simply just move on and ignore this column if you dont like it.

ronald

December 8th, 2010
1:13 pm

Willie- We’ll never really be able to mass manufacture at an elite level, given the power that unions have in this country. So forget about big ticket items like auto and appliances.

Due to tranportation costs, we can still produce some types of agriculture cheaper here than it costs to ship it in from other countries. How long that will last is uncertain.

Instead of competing with Mexico and India for manufacturing jobs (who both have much cheaper labor than we do), we should focus on highly complex high-pay industries where a highly educated workforce is your strategic advantage. Silicon Valley is 1 example. Wall St is another example.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
1:13 pm

Keep

I missed his complete ban from Bookman. I would have have enjoyed that one.

It starts here a 1:03am and Jay responds at 1:25am

Proof positive that blogging and alcohol don’t mix in Swampy Nowhere Man’s case.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
1:15 pm

Keep Up

- -Too bad even the simplest of statements is not true from Nonsense. Yes we may assemble tanks and F-22s in the US but not all of the parts are made in the US. But absolutely no proof that the “vast majority of costs of the wars go back into the US economy” and it ignores the drain on the US economy.- -

Your first sentence claims that what I say is not true . . . pretty definitive. But the rest of your para simply says that i have no proof of my statement, certainly not even approaching any sort of definitive proof that I had said anything that was untrue.

Is this what you learned in law school?

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
1:17 pm

Kam… Thanks for the link!

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
1:18 pm

Kammy

You are lying. I posted on his blog for several weeks after that.

I was banned for pointing out that you and a couple of others were his attack dogs. Sorry I haven’t saved the link, but apparently, it is much more important to you than it is to me.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
1:18 pm

GT/MT

Wrong. I worked at a non union company that is the largest employer in Atlanta for 18 yrs. Sure you can guess the one.

After years of ups and downs due to overall industry and management issues, I decided to leave. Worked elsewhere for a few years now do contract and consulting.

But nice try.

My only point is that you along with others want to keep blaming the unions. I’m not absolving them, but when you look at ALL the outsourced jobs in the last 30 yrs, the union argument is a red herring. It DOES not account for most of the outsourcing, however it is a factor that should be taken into context with all outsourced jobs and the involved industries.

Not saying you don’t have a point, it is just ’slightly’ skewed in efforts to overshadow a much larger problem in terms of globalization.

Please dont take this as some defense of all Dem policies or knock on all Repub policies. We can argue policies all day. Both of us with open eyes should to a degree be able to agree on some issues while totally disagreeing on others. My point: This country is not going to move forward solely on some left wing or right wing paradigm of thinking. It will take bright minds and hard work from across the spectrum. I too at times get caught up in the left or right, but in the end that in itself isn’t going to solve most problems.

Williebkind

December 8th, 2010
1:19 pm

ronald

December 8th, 2010
1:13 pm
For the average American, it is easier to hit the lottery.

Why do you not demand a maximum salary given to wage earners of all businesses instead of taxing at higher rates. If an employer can afford to pay an elite group millions then that employer should lose all the tax deductions. The only deduction an employer should get is by hiring more employees. It is not just the corporations that do it. I have read anywhere in the constitution that said people should become muliti-millionaires.

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
1:20 pm

Nonsense.. I know this is always hard for you being that you like to make things up and don’t understand simple thinks like secured mortgages…..The burden is on you to prove your nonsense. Simply saying tanks are assembled in the US is not proof of your statement. What I learned in law school is that bull crap does not stand up in a real court…and you are full of it.

AmVet

December 8th, 2010
1:21 pm

Kam, to your point at 1:13, some public meltdowns are more entertaining than others.

GT, an interesting take on labor unions being a part of the reason for corporate woes.

And that is clearly the case. Notwithstanding the immense good they have done in this country.

Yet union membership in the USA is now down to about 10% of total workers. Down form a number three to four times that in previous decades.

Also DoD contractors such as Boeing, Lockheed Martin and many, many others use union laborers, yet they have fantastic profits.

Things that make you go hmmm….

willie lynch

December 8th, 2010
1:22 pm

Mala Cori

December 8th, 2010
12:49 pm

I’ve always said if sense were “common” everyone would have it. That doesn’t seem to be the case.

I am not absolving the borrower of any fault I think it is a two way street but not everyone that borrowed was a new homeowner. I saw many people refinance homes that were magically worth more in a couple of months than they had been in the 15 years they had been making the payments. These people were fooled into believing they now had “equity” against which to borrow and were solicited on that basis by loan officers.

Yes we have to be smarter as consumers but in this instant gratification society how do you get people to go back to a non microwave mindset? Think about it, when your computer takes 30 sec. as opposed to 10 to respond we’re looking around like someone slapped us.

We’ve crossed a threshold and no one wants to give back any of what they’ve gained. The person driving the Mercedes doesn’t want to go back to driving a Honda and the person in the Honda doesn’t want to use public transportation. It will be a tough sell to get back to the good old days when excess wasn’t the rule.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
1:22 pm

We’ll never really be able to mass manufacture at an elite level, given the power that unions have in this country.

Oh puh-leeze. :roll:

Union membership in this country dropped from 36% in 1945 down to 12% in 2009, with the steepest decline beginning in the 1970s.

Find another dead horse to beat.

George W

December 8th, 2010
1:23 pm

Kamchak….until the union levels drop to 0% the manufacturing will not return.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
1:23 pm

Keep up

You challenged my statement by saying that it is not true.

Prove that it is not true.

Or you could always whine some more and gossip with Kammy. I’m betting on the whining.

ronald

December 8th, 2010
1:24 pm

“If an employer can afford to pay an elite group millions then that employer should lose all the tax deductions.”

That is the most absurd thing I’ve read in a long, long time. Willie, the reason that some corporations can afford to pay some employees “millions” is because those employees are the ones responsible for the success of the company and they are the reason that the corporation has those millions to begin with.

Larry

December 8th, 2010
1:28 pm

Let the folks in Monroeville become illegal aliens in the countries where the jobs are. If the jobs moved to Mexico, then they need to move to Mexico. I say this half in jest. One of the issues with the jobless is the unwillingness to pick up and go where the jobs are. There are jobs available, but they are not in Monroeville. Remember the line from the Constitution “…the pursuit of happinees…”. If the jobs aren’t here, go pursue them elsewhere. That is what our forefathers did. Sell your assets, pack the car and head for the big city. Many of our forefathers left their families during the depression to take jobs in far away places and sent what they made home. Why is this generation different? Probably because they have been told someone will take care of you from cradle to grave.

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
1:29 pm

Nonsense…prove your statement is true. If you can make an unsupported statement and claim that it must be proven untrue, then any unsupported statement in opposition is just as valid. Let me explain it slowly…you dont make the rules no matter how much you whine and whine. Obviously you can’t prove your claim true so you can only defend by demanding more than what you have provided.

Billybob

December 8th, 2010
1:35 pm

“What I learned in law school is that bull crap does not stand up in a real court…and you are full of it.”
KUtGF,
I agree, and what I’ve learned is bull crap from a far left socialist lawyer in the white house does not stand up in the real world….and he is full of s# it. I added a little at the end there. I’m glad we finally agree on something.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
1:36 pm

Kamchak….until the union levels drop to 0% the manufacturing will not return.

And exactly how did you divine this?

Ouija board?
Crystal ball?
Tea leaves?
Magic 8 ball?
Tarot cards?

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
1:37 pm

Billybob… I am glad we agree Nonsense is full of it…. I dont know any far left socialist lawyer in the White House. I dont believe there are any but you are entitled to your delusion.

Billybob

December 8th, 2010
1:40 pm

Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt……

George W

December 8th, 2010
1:41 pm

Kamchak….please tell me why you are in favor of unions? Apparently you are NOT a business owner. Minimum wage paying you well eh?

light on policy

December 8th, 2010
1:41 pm

Cynthia

Great column indeed!!

A lot of the negative comments and attacks only underscores how misinformed the American public has become.

Merely looking in terms of the mass exodus of American jobs going to others countries as a Democrat vs. Republican places an unnecessary barrier for those on each side of the political spectrum to look at it for what it truly is, a dollars/cents issue.

Corporations exist solely for the benefit of its shareholders. That’s it. Until, we the people, develop mandates/policies that address the growing economic divide we can’t expect corporations to preserve the American quality of life. This is what our Government is for fellow citizens.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
1:43 pm

Keep Up

So you are still whining.

Thanks for proving me right.

But just for fun, I’ll be glad to present my argument. The question is, let’s see if you can counter.

So where does the money go?

Increased troop deployment. Battle pay goes to our soldiers.

Transportation costs go to American companies who manufacture the airplanes that carry our troops. Most of the fuel is even bought in the US.

Weapons? Manufactured in the US.

New technology? US Technology.

Munitions? US made munitions.

I understand that some money does go offshore, but what percentage is spent right here at home?

And what costs of our military goes up in times of war?

I have simply listed the elements that we use in war that do, in fact bring money back to the US.

Now your assignment is to continue whining or to list enough costs to offset these costs.

Can you do it?

Jimmy Carter

December 8th, 2010
1:45 pm

If all of my policies were implement back in the 70’s, we would not have to worry about this today…because there would not be any American jobs.

granny godzilla

December 8th, 2010
1:48 pm

we must destroy capitalism and embrace socialism if we want to save this nation

Roll Tide!

December 8th, 2010
1:48 pm

Cynthia,
Let me apologize for most of the posters on your blog. Week after week these people, whom I will not name or name call, personally attack you when I am not even sure they are reading your articles. Every week it is the same slams against you. Slams that you are a racist or that you think everyone else is a racist or that you want us to become a Socialist society. Slams that you are a member of the “liberal” media. Blah Blah Blah. These people are not original in their posts or thoughts. This white boy from Alabama, whose grandmother was one of those textile mill workers in a “podunk” south Alabama town hopes you keep up the good work. Some of us enjoy reading your articles and appreciate your insight.

I only included my race so that you know not every white Southern man is a backward racist. Some of us are Southern gentlemen. Some of us think for ourselves and have larger than “pea” brains.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
1:49 pm

Apparently you are NOT a business owner. Minimum wage paying you well eh?

Self employed for nearly thirty years, sport.

snoqualmiefalls

December 8th, 2010
1:50 pm

Excuse me littleBarry, I am merely quoting my conservative, republican, tea party folks days after our President was elected. So this begs the question, if it was alright to use the same language after Mr. Obama was elected, why is it not today? Just asking. I am sure that I will get a reasonable reply…someday.

George W

December 8th, 2010
1:51 pm

Kamchak….Ok so you are unemployed. You still did not tell me what you like about unions?

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
1:52 pm

Keep Up

Just to help you out, here are some of the toys used in the war and the amount of money that goes into American industries.

Current U.S. military purchases include a lot of very expensive stuff. For example;

$10.4 million each for 39 UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters.

$19.7 million each for 15 MH-60S helicopters. These are Blackhawks upgraded for commando operations.

$70 million each for 42 F/A-18 E/F Fighter aircraft. This was the last of the American ?Fourth Generation? warplanes.

$150 million each for 24 F-22 Raptor aircraft. This was the first of the American (or anyone else?s) ?Fifth Generation? warplanes.

$106 million each for 8 Navy V-22 aircraft and $102 million each for 3 Air Force V-22 aircraft. A controversial, and difficult to maintain, replacement for transport helicopters.

$178 million each for 15 C-17 tactical airlift aircraft. The standard heavy air transport.

$70 million each for 11 C-130J airlift aircraft. The latest version of a fifty year old design. Standard ?tactical? air transport.

$68 million each for 3 Global Hawk High Altitude UAVs. The largest and most expensive American UAV.

$14 million each for 13 Predator Medium Altitude UAVs. The latest version of the most successful American UAV. These things aren?t so cheap, at least not the larger ones.

$4.54 million each for 108 Patriot missiles. This is the anti-missile version, which explains its high cost.

$871,000 each for 293 Tactical Tomahawk missiles. The last version of the Tomahawk, to be replaced by a cheaper model.

$1,581,143,000 for one Virginia Class nuclear attack submarine.

$1.1 billion each for 3 DDG-51 Guided Missile Destroyers.

$966,559,000 for one LPD-17 Class amphibious ship.

$174 million each 3 Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicles (for putting satellites into space.)

I made the statement that most of the costs stay here. All the items above are made here.

All you have to do is show where more money is being spent overseas and give the reasons for spending it.

One F-22 costs 150 million. Just tell me a single cost that matches the cost of ONE F-22 that isn’t spent here.

jms

December 8th, 2010
1:53 pm

Are you really endorsing welfare as a career path?

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
1:53 pm

Kammy

Collecting welfare and food stamps is usually not considered being self employed.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
1:54 pm

You still did not tell me what you like about unions?

Is that a question?

George W

December 8th, 2010
1:56 pm

Kamchak…I apologize for asking a question that is too difficult for you to answer. I will leave you to your Kool-Aid and Crayons.

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
1:56 pm

Nonsense…you have made a number of claims. Again, without any support reference. You claim US Technology. In fact, the Abrams is protected by armor based on the British-designed Chobham armor, a further development of the British ‘Burlington’ armor. You can find the company listed as a featured supplier at army-technology dotcom. There I have proven your statement that US Technology drives new technology with a simple weapon. Of course, to state that only US has new technology is pure lunacy….technology comes from many many countries other than the US.

Again…Your assignment is to go back and prove your statements not just reguritate a bunch of things you think is true and then to show the economic impact. Again…just stating something does not prove it is true….evidence is the key. Can you do it?

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
1:59 pm

Self-employed is not a business owner? Wow dont let the Republicans find out that.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
2:00 pm

I will leave you to your Kool-Aid and Crayons.

And there was much rejoicing.

Billybob

December 8th, 2010
2:02 pm

Rolltide,
Tucker doesn’t approve of racial profiling, but thanks for showing that anyone can use the race card now-a-days, as long as it’s pointed toward whitey……

gatorman770

December 8th, 2010
2:03 pm

“For decades now, globalization and technology have been grinding away at American jobs, a process which has gained speed of late. And most of those jobs are never coming back.” Cindy your progressive liberal bias made you leave out one of the top two reasons for lost of American jobs – labor unions!

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
2:03 pm

Keep Up

- – In fact, the Abrams is protected by armor based on the British-designed Chobham armor, a further development of the British ‘Burlington’ armor.- -

Yes and all our internal combustion engines is “based” on technology designed by Daimlier-Benz and our jets are “based” on technology developed in Germany, but the costs still go back to the United states.

Once again, you can’t even participate in an honest debate.

I just love the fact that you tried and failed miserably.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
2:06 pm

Kepm Up

Come on, loser.

Just give me a single offset of the 36 billion spent just on the F-22 where our money went anywhere but back here.

You did try, but you failed. Want to try again, or are you giving up so easily?

You will have to overcome that laziness if you ever plan to move out of your Mom’s basement.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
2:07 pm

@gatorman

WRONG. yes unions have played a role, but since Fox or your favorite pundit didn’t tell you, I WILL….. more non union than union jobs have been outsourced in the last 30 yrs

That is FACT….. Go look it up than either come back with valid data to debate with or just keep spouting your false talking pts

Nice try

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
2:10 pm

Nonsense…this is why you are a loser….you stated that New Technology was US Technology….prove absolutely wrong about that you make a statement that the “costs” still go back to the US without proof or even acknowledging that your claim was proven wrong….when you complete your assignment (and you so enjoy trying to give others assignments) then we can discuss but so far you have failed miserably and proof that you have nothing. You may want to change your name to Stupidity is Free…. but really stupid is no way to go through life.

Whine and rant away….. you’re on time out as far as I am concerned. When’s your next meltdown?

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
2:10 pm

Keep Up

I’ll make it easy for you:

Name a single piece of major US weaponry that wasn’t built in the US.

Come on. You can do it.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
2:16 pm

Keep Up

You have stated that the armor being used on the US made M1A1 Abrams was from England. That armor went into use in 1990, hardly new technology. (20 years old, probably older than you)

Still waiting for a single fact from you that means anything other than your insistence that I continue to make a fool of you.

Carlosgvv

December 8th, 2010
2:17 pm

Republicans have shown their number one concern is serving the rich. Corporations, by shipping thousands of jobs overseas, have shown themselves to be totaly unpatriotic and completely lacking in any concern for the American worker. Meanwhile, Republicans and Corporations have used propaganda to fool their puppets into thinking they actually care for them. The only way to explain this is runaway corporate and political greed and a thorough dumbing down of America.

november cant come soon enough

December 8th, 2010
2:18 pm

I do have understanding what the unemployed are going through. I went through the same in 1979 in rustbelt Illinois, where you couldnt get a job pumping gas or waiting tables. Funny, this was when a Democrat was president and both cambers of congress controlled by Democrats. MY union didnt do anything for the thousands of us laid off from John Deere and other manufacturing jobs. I was determined to go down fighting. I signed up for college-my 1st day I was 27. I had graduated near the bottom of my high school out of laziness, not brains. My unemployment was near gone and it was up to me to climb out of the mess. I took whatever I could. I doubt anyone else got through college standing in a hog lot scooping pig poop with a shovel like me or made it through my entire 1st year of college with only 2 books for 8 different classes. I drove a truck and found a man who was willing to let me come to work when I could and leave when I had too. Many days I had to choose between eating or having gas to drive to school and I did go hungry many a day. Bananas were 12 cents a pound and many days 2 pounds of them were my sole food- you can eat on 25 cents a day !
While everyone was partying spring break , I drove to the south in a car with holes so big in the quarter panels that I could crawl through one side into the trunk and out the other with the doors locked. and found a job so when I graduated, I was employed. I now make a six figure living , but that smell of pig poop will be vivid to me for a lifetime. Yes END THE EXTENDED UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS. Those of you who want to succeed will and those who want government to pay their way will sit and complain and do nothing.

ronald

December 8th, 2010
2:22 pm

“Republicans have shown their number one concern is serving the rich.”

Wrong. Republicans supported extensions of tax breaks for EVERY AMERICAN.

BW

December 8th, 2010
2:23 pm

I see you kids have been busy…national defense is welfare by another name…it’s a self fulfilling prophecy that allows your local congressman to say “look how well I spent your tax dollars today”. Other than by sneak attack, who else are we really concerned about? No one that has massed an army against us where we were allowed to engage them has ever beaten us. If an army actually massed against us it would probably wind up like Saddam’s army in 1991.

Nothing Is Free

The only thing I can come up with are new rifles specially designed for Special Forces…of course those haven’t been officially adopted. I think it’s neck and neck between us and the Germans on precision rifles at this point.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
2:23 pm

@november

Good for you and the work you did to make it. With that said, since you mentioned a period in time you were down is when Democrats were in control, would you like to see the stats of the last 100 yrs in terms of GDP growth, overall job creation, wage increases, Stock market increases and who was in the WH? I will be glad to generalize like yourself and slice and dice up the stats with you

Using your general statement, I must assume that you meant the Dems were the problem. I guess for you they were, but the “big picture’ over the last 100 yrs tells a much different story for the population as a whole.

Once again, good for you and the efforts you made.

BW

December 8th, 2010
2:25 pm

Carlosgvv

Unfortunately there are alot of Democrats that are also beholden to corporations so in fact they are as culpable as the Republicans in that arena. I don’t even think anyone can spell out what constitutes the core beliefs of the Democratic party at this point.

ronald

December 8th, 2010
2:25 pm

“Corporations, by shipping thousands of jobs overseas, have shown themselves to be totaly unpatriotic and completely lacking in any concern for the American worker.”

Wrong again. You don’t understand how corporations operate. Businesses aren’t created to be “patriotic”, the are created to make money. Corporations have 1 goal- To create value for shareholders. If its cheaper to send a job overseas, they will do it every single time. Again, there purpose is make money. What the American gov’t should do is create a business-friendly environment in the US so that American corporations aren’t financially incentivized to send jobs elsewhere.

BW

December 8th, 2010
2:26 pm

@ November

The only difference between now and then is that politicians used to have a little shame for theft and now they don’t.

BW

December 8th, 2010
2:30 pm

@ ronald

Exactly…any business is created to make a profit first and foremost. Hiring is the cost of business. With that being said I don’t think they will hire one more person that is needed to supply the existing demand….let me dump chemicals into the aquifer again, put the 12 year olds back in the factories and reduce all corporate taxes to zero and I bet money that unemployment gauge does not move without an increase in demand.

Keep up the good fight!

December 8th, 2010
2:30 pm

Nonsense or should I refer to you as Stupidity is Free..

Again you duck, you weave and still the punch lands…. ummm. the F22 you so mention as part of new technology was originally designed by RFPs in 1986 and then contract awarded in 1991. That would make it approximately 10 years old by your game playing.

gator24

December 8th, 2010
2:33 pm

Where do these insane ideas come from concerning Jobs and Taxes. When companies moved their Mfg operations overseas it doesn’t help with America Jobs when products are shipped here and sold in American Stores. This idea of not paying taxes is ludicrous, no one was talking about taxing poor people or those making less than 250,000 dollars a year. This idea of taxing the wealthy at a lower rate produces jobs is a myth that long has been proven wrong

GT/MIT

December 8th, 2010
2:33 pm

They Both suck

In terms to the left/right thing, the fact that I am neither Democrat nor Republican might come as a surprise to you. I am a staunch fiscal conservative and my loyalties are to fiscal conservatives no matter their party affiliation. Having said that, there are few conservatives of any sort remaining in the Democrat camp, hopefully they will make a resurgence amongst the Republicans.

Now back to your assertion that, ” the union argument is a red herring. It DOES not account for most of the outsourcing”, is of course incorrect. While industry tries to maintain profit margins that make investment lucrative as well as attractive to their stock holders and potential investors, the unions demands for greater profit sharing, cradle to grave medical coverage, and ever higher wages, make that an increasingly difficult task. Ergo find a cheaper place to do business, out source, if you will.

As an example of unionisms choke hold take a look at the auto industry. The average hourly cost to, say Ford Motor Co. is much higher than that to Toyota, why? UAW. Therein is the reason we must levy our import tax. Sad!

I will give you this, of late many high tech companies have found it necessary to go abroad to find needed expertise for their endeavor. Might we rather that pay folks to be out of work, use to money to train them for the high tech jobs. Naw!

As you have said we shall agree to disagree and part as friends. Anyway, I have been retired much to long to worry about it.

mala cori

December 8th, 2010
2:37 pm

Willie lynch..I agree that the banks and brokers were somewhat dirty…I guess I don’t understand why one would borrow against their home to buy a car or to take a vacation. I guess I’m lucky in that I don’t value material things as I was never tempted to take on an equity line on my home to upgrade my 10 yr old honda. As a result I survied a job loss and major pay decreases. I can only speak from personal experience andhope my stories encouage or help someone stuck in a terrible job fair line. I hate for anyone to be there and encourage them to keep trying. It took a year but I found a job after 8 to 10 hrs of hunting.

Carlosgvv

December 8th, 2010
2:39 pm

Ronald

You should have been born in the 1800’s and entered the workforce in 1885. The 12 hour days, six day workweeks, child labor, no vacations, no insurance and no sick leaves would have definitely been your cup of tea.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
2:43 pm

@GT/MT

I am correct. Unions play a role, but many more non union jobs have went overseas.

Companies who have NEVER had unions have been outsourcing IT, customer service and engineering jobs for years now. It is just a fact. Not saying that is not their right to outsource but the numbers are what they are.

When you say you are not either D or R? How many times have you not voted R in the last 20 yrs? I lean left but never vote a straight ticket. I can always find a few Rs that are better than the Ds, whether it be local, state or national.

They BOTH suck

December 8th, 2010
2:48 pm

@GT/MT

No offense but if you do vote all Rs and claim not to be one, that’s sort of like Oreilly saying he is a “traditionalist” and Hanitty saying he is a “Reagan conservative”…. If you vote all one way, it is your prerogative, but how you classify yourself in the end means nothing.

If you do vote for others besides Rs than please accept my apology for making that assumptions

DawgDad

December 8th, 2010
2:48 pm

I work in IT for a major corporation. My career path has been disrupted and truncated numerous times in the past 30+ years. Whole technologies have come and gone, and whole industries that used to be near exclusive American are now overseas or in the tank. I can tell you unemployment compensation for anyone above the poverty line is a joke, not even worth the time and effort of filling out the application. People need to embrace change and make tough choices to survive. If you live in a small town in Georgia or Alabama where there are no jobs – MOVE! Many, many people before you have done so. How many families do you see today on 40-acre farms? Virtually none. Whole rural counties in my native Missouri have virtually emptied out.

The Democrats are PROPONENTS of the new world order; with Nixon’s help they made it happen. If their constituents can’t adapt and don’t support this they shouldn’t be supporting the Democratic Party.

Take a look at the current list of exclusions for Obamacare. The SEIU, many other unions and insurance programs. I predict that before Obamacare goes into full effect there will be more people excluded from some provision or another than there were uninsured to start with. Now there’s a report Reid might try to push on-line gambling into the tax bill. What a joke these politicians are playing on us.

ButtHead

December 8th, 2010
2:49 pm

Dimacrats have a short memory, the corporations OWN the dimacrat party yet they “claim” that the republicans are beholden to corporate America. Let’s look at the facts, Obozo hired more lobbyist that any other president in history. He also has 95% rating of cabinet positions that have NEVER worked in corporate America, kind of strange isn’t it? Remember “I will not hire any lobbyist”, what a lie, “I will not sign bills laden with earmarks”; the first bill he signed had over 9,000 earmarks. Another lie, how about “I will NOT raise taxes on anybody making $250,000 a year” due to the changes in the Obozocare bill he raised taxes on EVERYBODY. Before you libs get all excited this is how it works, the evil corporations are not allowed to right off the portion of healthcare that the contribute to an employee. So that money, by law, is added to the worker’s salary, so in reality you will not bring home one more penny but the average couple making a combined income of $100,000 pays $6,000 more in taxes… So one more liberal lie, why do liberals have short term memory loss… very odd…

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
2:53 pm

The Democrats are PROPONENTS of the new world order…

Looks like someone has lost their Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie.

ronald

December 8th, 2010
3:08 pm

“You should have been born in the 1800’s and entered the workforce in 1885. The 12 hour days, six day workweeks, child labor, no vacations, no insurance and no sick leaves would have definitely been your cup of tea.”

Carlos- I was born in the 1970’s and worked on Wall Street for most of my 20’s. I was one of those guys that you like to demonize for being greedy and selfish. I worked 12-15 hour days (often 7 days a week) and was afraid to call in sick because there were 100 other guys waiting to take my job if I appeared soft. Its a choice I made and I was well compensated for it. There are many people who choose that “cup of tea”

NA

December 8th, 2010
3:23 pm

at least Granny finally stated who she is (embrace socialism) go and sneak into Cuba or Venezuela
You will love it there and take your granddaughter Cynthia with you.
They will love her articles there.
I still do not understand how Cynthia can make even good things sound bad, I know she went to school at Auburn but I do not understand how she made it through college unless someone else was paying for it, or she had nothing else to do anyway. Cynthia Auburn may become the national champ in football but if you were running the team they would not have even wanted to score as that would be unfair to the other teams.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
3:25 pm

at least Granny finally stated who she is…

I believe that was a name-jacker, sport.

AllTuckeredOut

December 8th, 2010
3:27 pm

What Cynthia Tucker says is true. Just look at the AJC, too old to learn. Their distribution has dropped to less than half of what it was even 7 years ago. They closed delivery branches, gave early retirement, and laid off hundreds. And they are still not making it… Why? Because it still has gives voice to Cynthia Tucker and the likes of her. No one wants, has wanted, or will want what you are selling CT and AJC! CT you are right, you are both too old to learn. Better get ready to take some extended unemployment girl!

ltruks

December 8th, 2010
3:29 pm

If you believe that tax cuts are the answer to our economic problems you have got to be of the mindset that the horse and buggy is preferable to the automobile. Only an idiot would decide to expand his business because of taxes. Taxes are only paid if you earn a profit.

If memory serves correctly the number one priority of any business is to make a profit. Profitability is result of being able to supply the demand for a product or service at a cost that exceeds it’s production cost.

After attaining profitability a business expands or grows because there is an excess in demand for it’s product or service, and in order to retain and attract customers it must be able to meet that demand.

Do you thank Toyota and Honda came to the US for tax purposes?

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 8th, 2010
3:30 pm

CT – Some of the jobs are gone, hopefully not for good.

Look at the hundreds of thousands of jobs being taken in the US by H-1b and L1 visa holders. These jobs are supposedly for the ones where the skills do not exist in the US but that is BS.

In the IT field for the most part these visa holders are only average and their language skills are below average, but they are CHEAP. The companies that support them are the ones making the money not the visa holders themselves.

The recruiters of these visas will not hire a US citizen for these jobs for the most part.
1. because if they work more than 40 hours (on a contract basis) they want to be paid for the hours they work.
2. The companies do not want to pay what they are supposed to by LAW (prevailing rate for the position).

I have seen entire projects staffed by nothing but H1b visa holders from India (tell me NO US CITIZEN WAS QUALIFIED)

TATA, InfoSYS, Wipro etc are Indian owned companies that corporations contract with daily that supply these H1b and L1 visa holders to projects in the US because they can pay them below the rates in the US.

The pols have voted on the extension of the H1b visas by voice vote (non recorded) so that there voters do no know how they have been sold out by the Dems and Repubs year after year.

GT/MIT

December 8th, 2010
3:31 pm

Well, one last stab here my left leaning friend, I don’t believe I’ve said or implied that there hasn’t been non-union jobs out-sourced. My comment was I believe, that unions are the major factor in that phenomenon. Since most” LARGE” companies are unionized,(the big D excepted), their departure to parts unknown has a comparatively larger impact on our economy.

I assume you are aware what assuming makes one?

ml

December 8th, 2010
3:39 pm

rich people like a good-bad economy ever so often. headline-movie biz wants to keep breaks
just like moving a factory overseas long enough to be able to bring it back later and with leverage to ask for incentives and favoritable breaks, special treatment.
the rich, corporations love the cyclical economy. make a lot of money one way when the market is up, make a lot of money the other way when the market is down.
special place in hell for this and similar wall street trader type stuff.
just like the company you work for, when the economy is down use that to make workers desperate and use that to keep them in line.
use that to lower pay across the board and say if you don’t like it go somewhere else. fully knowing that you are over a barrel and there is hardly anyplace left to go.
use a bad economy to cut benefits and use the bad economy as the reason, seems fair, but wouldn’t fair be to bring back benefits that were lost when the economy is good? nope that’s capitalism pal, they won’t come back when the reason they were taken away reverses. you should have worked harder to be a millionaire, you lazy stinkin’ bum.
why people who put out high levels of work and put out high levels of quality work receive the same pathetic 3% annual raise as the non-performing kiss butt perpetual smoke break taker receives-adding that all non-smokers should receive from the beginning an added shift differential type pay. don’t like it smokers? try to think about it for a second without the nicotine addiction doing your thinking for you. to hell with urinalysis, take people for how they work but always, ALWAYS, leave your addictions and your vices at home or anywhere outside of the office. especially if your addiction ever compels you to stop work to feed it, and especially if that means you have to do it while others are working.
always amazed by the idiots that have chosen to be the mouthpieces of politicians and CEO’s promote their ideals, like trickle down and anyone can be a millionaire and America the land of opportunity like it’s always easy, it’s then that I ask them, so why aren’t you a millionaire? just love the comraderie of living with commoners? think the money would ruin you?
so in other words, every person that has voted Republican that is extremely affluent is actually a self proclaimed lazy unmotivated bum as evident by their own crazy BS.

hryder

December 8th, 2010
3:43 pm

Stop reporting only portions of events in attempting to lead people to believe liberals are the best and conservatives the worst. Conservatives said that all taxpayers rates should remain in place that were passed during a previous Presidentcial term. Liberals said that tax rates should remain in place for those with incomes below certain levels but rise per previous legislation for those above that level. That makes sense to socialists, facists, and liberals possibly others but to no one who has busted their hump in attempting or actually becoming monetarily successful. I, for one, would never ever have spent 15-16 hours a day for over four years attending class and studying while piling up debt through loans necessitated because I did not have enough money saved from full time employment, saving almost each entire check, while living with my graciously supporting parents. Then working 12-14 hours per day using the educational skills I had learned and earned through personal discipline and efforts to become what I view as financially successful. I and my immediate family, now are enjoying the fruits of those efforts in retirement. If, as some indicate, we all should have a maximum income level by tax law(s) I would have emigrated elsewhere or just decided to do what I did for three years prior to my professional education efforts and been a partying playing goodtime Charlie knowing that if worse came to worse I could suck off the public tit by funds provided through confiscation of others above allowable earnings levels efforts.

Lynn

December 8th, 2010
3:47 pm

andygrdzki – LIttle known fact. The top 5 Asian Countries are there because only the best go to school. IF you were born and you were trained to be a janitor well guess what – that is what you will be for the rest of your life. Athlete, etc. So if we took our best and brightest then maybe there could be a real comparison.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
3:54 pm

Keep Up

What the hell are you blabbering about now? The Abrams went into SERVICE in 1990. the F22 went into service in 2005.

And why would I dodge and weave from you. you have never landed a punch with me standing completely still, right in front of you.

If your Mom catches you on the computer when she gets home from work, you are going to be grounded again.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
3:57 pm

Stop reporting only portions of events in attempting to lead people to believe liberals are the best and conservatives the worst.

Talk-radio has been using the us good/ them bad paradigm for the past thirty some odd years.

Why is it only now that your thong is all atwist?

Boehner

December 8th, 2010
4:03 pm

to every person that has voted for my party-why aren’t you rich yet?
I’ve done everything that you believed I said was true.
I trickled down you and I’ve championed the never flawed economic system of capitalism.
what is taking you so long?
anybody that calls themselves a republican that isn’t rich by now might just be one of hide in the closet at night boogeyman liberals.
because come on let’s face it, if I and other members of the republican party have set things up so well that all you have to do is saunter along and knock down the pins with ease, why aren’t you rich already?
that means that anyone that claims to be a republican and isn’t a millionaire now after the way has been so clearly paved for them is actually a lazy good for nothing entitlement craving slacker that is begging for their house to be foreclosed on them, beggin for a family medical emergency to bankrupt them.
in the land of opportunity where anyone can succeed anytime they want to, you’d have to be lazy or just plain bad to not be inundated with cash pooring through your windows at night.
republican voters who aren’t extremely rich, what more do I have to do for you? deposit the money in your account for you, would that help?
any republican voter that isn’t rich is someone living beyond their means and not even coming close to living up to their potential, or as me and my pals call it, a democrat. and the worst kind of democrat, the kind that won’t admit to it.

Mr Charlie

December 8th, 2010
4:06 pm

“Talk-radio has been using the us good/ them bad paradigm for the past thirty some odd years.

Why is it only now that your thong is all atwist?”

So CT is like talk radio, glad you admit it.

brad

December 8th, 2010
4:08 pm

wow. CT has noticed the difference in a small town economy and a big town economy! Competition, incentive, cost of living, education levels, wage levels, location, etc, etc. all play a role in jobs – where they go, why they stay, and why they go. I wonder if she knows why Monroeville is not as big as Atlanta or Birmingham – or why Birmingham is not as big as Atlanta or why it didn’t grow as fast. Someone needs a history lesson, a political lesson, and an economics lesson.

Amazing

Mr Charlie

December 8th, 2010
4:10 pm

I did not notice how CT closed the Edwards thread too soon, lest somebody bring up the subject that if libs had their way, Mr Edwards would have been one heartbeat away from the presidency. Sure, libs are excellent judges of character.

The Nerve

December 8th, 2010
4:10 pm

“Over the last year, out-of-work Americans, already down on their luck, have had to endure a barrage of unsympathetic, even mean-spirited, criticism from several of their elected representatives. Many Republicans, especially, have portrayed the jobless as either shiftless deadbeats too lazy to look for work or pompous failures too proud to take a job beneath their social standing.”

ctucker

December 8th, 2010
10:49 am
TXM@10:25, I am utterly delighted that you commented and brought some actual knowledge of the situation in Monroeville. Many of my commenters are mean and vicious and completely ignorant of the people of whom they speak.

Pot. Meet Kettle. Kettle. Pot. CT, you start what would be a meaningful discussion on outsourcing by spouting left wing propoganda and over generalization. Once again, you spew vile hatred towards the right…and then wonder why they comment about it. Amazing. Simply amazing. But I expect nothing less from a liberal. Liberals are all for equality, fairness and compassion..until you disagree with them.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
4:12 pm

So CT is like talk radio, glad you admit it.

I admit nothing, Mr. Chuckie-poo.

Mudfoot

December 8th, 2010
4:14 pm

Mr Charlie 4:10 pm

Dangerous territory to tread… can you say “Palin”?

ronald

December 8th, 2010
4:16 pm

ML says “special place in hell for this and similar wall street trader type stuff.”

Special place in hell for wha? Your class envy is showing again, moron…Go find me the verse (from any religion) that indicates hard work (or being a trader on Wall ST) equates sin. Its amazing how naive and uninformed that people are about Wall St., particularly those that really don’t understand what it is or how it functions.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 8th, 2010
4:28 pm

Stupidity is Free….as usual you did not comprehend simple statements. Look again at what I said about the F22. And do tell me when the parts that were put into the 1st planes were designed for their technology. Its not about when the plane went into service.

This has been a public service announcement for the completely clueless.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
4:32 pm

…that indicates hard work (or being a trader on Wall ST)…

I would have to agree that neither hard work nor being a trader on Wall St. is a sin, but to equate sitting at a desk, running your mouth on the phone as “hard work”….

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Bob

December 8th, 2010
4:40 pm

I think the commenters here are missing the point. In this country we haven’t figured out what to do with workers when jobs are gone for good. It always happens but now that high unemployment will be with us for a while the best our government can do is give out money????

I’ve talked with my Canadian friends and they say that if they get laid off they can go back to school to get retrained in a career that needs workers.

Why do we not do this here? If everyone knows that unemployment benefits, without retraining, are for a few weeks while benefits continue as you retrain then there will be many people retraining for jobs that are available or will become available. We will have a better workforce instead of many long term unemployed workers.

But no, that doesn’t fit in a Democrat or Republican platform so we will not do that.

Martin Williams

December 8th, 2010
5:04 pm

This is not about liberals and conservatives, America is going down and this time it is for real. We need to close some of the useless bases we have all over the world and we need to get out of Afganistan as quick as possible. Unemployment is still going to be 9% plus come 2012 and the GOP will blame Mr. Obama. How can a nation continue to give tax cuts and be involved in several wars? We should be paying more taxes and not less. Tax cuts only create more deficit and NO jobs simple.

Steve

December 8th, 2010
5:15 pm

This country has boxed itself into corner, fast food is bad for you but where else are stupid people going to work?

Steve

December 8th, 2010
5:18 pm

I rarely agree with Cynthia Tucker, but it cracks me up that people don’t realize that as long as she gets page after page of comments that someone is reading her column. It is OK to disagree with her but all these hate comments are just giving her job security.

The Truth

December 8th, 2010
5:23 pm

” It’s not their fault that the ground suddenly shifted beneath their feet.”

BUT IT IS THEIR FAULT IF THEY ARE NOT EDUCATED AND PREPARED FOR CHANGE.
Something a libleral like CT will never admit to.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
5:32 pm

Keep Up

Put the bong down and start to face reality.

What does the F-22 technology have to do with anything I have said? I said that we have introduced new technology. And you bring up the M1A1 and the F-22, both 20 and 15 year old technology.

Do you have a clue about the technology that we have developed in the last five years? Would it matter? You are going to stand like the petulant child that you are and look for different ways to call me names, no matter how foolish you look.

So let’s have it, little twit. It’s all you can do.

A Lumpkin Resident

December 8th, 2010
5:48 pm

A Lumpkin Resident@10:37, Whatever gave you the impression that my column was about people who “managed to put together a couple years work during their lives.” You know nothing about the people about whom I wrote.

The problem is, Cynthia, that whatever rules you would like to see changed would apply to ALL unemployed, not the tiny subset of unemployed that you imagine. Unemployment insurance applies to people who worked 5 quarters as much as it does to people who worked 50 years. And it doesn’t change the basic fact of my argument: that liberals such as yourself believe that there should be no end to unemployment insurance. You have now admitted that your believe there should be no time limit placed on unemployment insurance payments, based on the “people whom I wrote”, but with greater application to all of the unemployed.

Here is the basic fact: when your job is outsourced, it is time to find a new line of work. When your manufacturing job goes away, it is time to find something else to do. You might be given 13…. or 99.. weeks to find a new job in the field that you have been trained. But that temporary bridge… unemployment insurance… must go away lest people decide that they would rather take a pittance than retrain or take a lower paying job.

To be clear: I lost my job and was out of work for 9 months in 2009. I took a job making 30% less and commute 3 hours a day. My family barely gets by. If I had not been able to find work, I would have let my house lapse into foreclosure and would have moved to an area where there are jobs. People CAN make the hard choices that allow them to move on with their lives. Unemployment insurance can be a bridge, or it can be the crutch that allows them to limp on, month after month (and if made permanent, a significant number would choose to take it forever rather than get a low paying job).

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 8th, 2010
5:55 pm

Bob@4:40 pm

I think the commenters here are missing the point. In this country we haven’t figured out what to do with workers when jobs are gone for good. It always happens but now that high unemployment will be with us for a while the best our government can do is give out money????

I’ve talked with my Canadian friends and they say that if they get laid off they can go back to school to get retrained in a career that needs workers.

Why do we not do this here? If everyone knows that unemployment benefits, without retraining, are for a few weeks while benefits continue as you retrain then there will be many people retraining for jobs that are available or will become available. We will have a better workforce instead of many long term unemployed workers.

But no, that doesn’t fit in a Democrat or Republican platform so we will not do that.
———————————-

Ask the workers in the IT industry. Most of us have degrees and advanced degrees plus addition education over the years and still find it difficult to find jobs or even contract work.

Why.

Offshoring and H1b visa holders is the simple answer. US corporations would rather pay a contract company to bring in an H1b visa holder than to hire a US citizen even as a contract employee.

Why.

Because the H1b visa holder will work unlimited hours for 40 hour pay, while the US citizen expects the corporation to live up to the LAW. (pay per hour).

ronald

December 8th, 2010
6:03 pm

“I would have to agree that neither hard work nor being a trader on Wall St. is a sin, but to equate sitting at a desk, running your mouth on the phone as “hard work”….

Oh, I forgot. To you, “real work” means farm labor or a construction job. Earning millions for your employer using your MIND doesn’t count in your populist world. Watch yourself Kamchak, your class envy is seeping out again.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
6:27 pm

Oh, I forgot. To you, “real work” means farm labor or a construction job.

Didn’t say anything about “real” work, I said “hard” work. I was putting in 12 hour days building houses while you were still making a mess in your diapers, sport.

Class envy?

Don’t make me laugh.

I actually create something tangible, when all you do is move money around among accounts.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 8th, 2010
6:40 pm

Kamchak@6:27 pm

Oh, I forgot. To you, “real work” means farm labor or a construction job.

Didn’t say anything about “real” work, I said “hard” work. I was putting in 12 hour days building houses while you were still making a mess in your diapers, sport.

————————————–

Damn Kam, that made me laugh like h3ll.

If that was me you were talking to it would make you about 75 years old LMAO.

Good one

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
6:51 pm

Common Sense isn’t very Common

I worked construction for a while, back in college. I never considered it hard work. Of course there were those guys that were never able to master the crafts and were always the ones digging ditches, being a human wheel burro, etc. After the first week, it was obvious that I knew which end of the nail to hit so my work was very satisfying and enjoyable.

But come to think of it, Kammy probably did get the hard jobs.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
6:56 pm

If that was me you were talking to it would make you about 75 years old LMAO.

Well,,,he did say that he was born in the 1970s

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
6:57 pm

Many of you are not reading the text. CT is correct – tech & NAFTA have removed a ton of manufacturing jobs. Want them back? Erect trade barriers & tariffs, which should reduce your taxes but increase the cost of imported products. Raise those tariffs enough, and the manufacturer of those products will eventually want to actually build them here.

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
7:01 pm

heck, this economy should point something out: the feminist revolution was a failure. Our labor market economy no longer needs all this surplus labor. So now, both male & females without college degrees can’t get a job. meanwhile the DINKS haul in a ton of $$$. Eventually, even the DINKS will have to see their wages start to shrink, as they are not affordable anymore. We have wiped out demand for physical labor, unless it is a government job. This is a recipe for disaster, and I completely concur with MS. Tucker.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 8th, 2010
7:10 pm

Paddy O – I agree with you on this. I myself will look high and low to buy products made in the USA. If I can’t find them then sometimes I do without (if not really needed) or buy substitutes (if absolutely needed).

Rarely do I have to buy something from another country (just my small effort on behalf of the US companies).

The countries where the products are made usually have gov’t backing so that they can corner the market in particular goods and the prices stay low until they are no longer made in the USA then they seem to rise.

The same is happening to offshoring of IT services in India as their prices rise companies are looking to Malaysia etc for even lower costs.

Call almost any helpdesk at night and ask them where they are located 9 times out of 10 they will lie and say Canada,etc but ask for the US helpdesk and watch the tapdancing begin. LOL.

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
7:13 pm

anyone know ADP? They process a ton of RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS, for corporations nation wide. they have transferred their data processing of this highly sensitive information (your SS #) to India. Now, does this sound like a wise thing? NO, it is simply to slash labor costs. Our corporations are living high off the hog while they exploit naive workers in countries whose leaders are desperate to alleviate genuine poverty. Sad. Repeal NAFTA, adopt trade barrier tariffs, protect Americans’ personal & financial data.

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
7:14 pm

they can hire 3 indians for 1 american, and still lower the cost of labor – exploitation, just like in the industrial age.

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
7:17 pm

it will be interesting to see next year when teachers are asked to actually lower their annual salaries how loud a stink is created. giving teachers $5000 annual bonuses for the remainder of their careers for advanced degrees that don’t seem to improve the results of their teaching has finally become fiscally unsustainable. GA is at a crossroads, and we have nathan deal looking which way to go.

killerj

December 8th, 2010
7:27 pm

Awww come on now,we want all those illegals to come to this country and take our jobs, I like collecting free money while they prosper to have more than me as an American citizen,flip flop flip flop flip flop,can,t wait until Jan 1st. Go Tea Party,clean house.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
7:37 pm

can,t wait until Jan 1st. Go Tea Party,clean house.

You mean the same tea-baggers that are showing every sign of being a typical pol?

Too funny!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 8th, 2010
7:44 pm

Damn, Tuck has 443 comments and only 200 of them are from Upchuk.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
7:49 pm

And a gracious good evening to you also, Andy-poo.

Dick Hertz

December 8th, 2010
8:39 pm

Of course the worst of that was the Bush years, the policies of which you all seem so enamored. It’s as if you are demanding, no, begging to be robbed and abused. Please, more bohica! Give me all the bongo bongo you have got!

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
8:50 pm

Dick Hertz

It’s all just a matter of degrees. Under Bush, we had the mainstream media and you libs screaming about how bad things were that we were being wire tapped when we called Saudi Arabia, but under Obama, while those wire tapping laws have been sustained and increased, the problem now is that no one can afford to place the phone call.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 8th, 2010
9:14 pm

White House officials are playing down the contretemps, emphasizing to reporters that it will use the liberal anger to its political advantage. Distancing Mr. Obama from the left wing of his party will be “a positive byproduct” of the tax extensions for all income groups, a White House aide close to Obama told Politico.com. “Compared to these guys, the president looks mature and pragmatic,” the official said.

You know, I’ve seen some bitch slaps in my life but none quite like this, just sayin…

Howboutit?

December 8th, 2010
9:17 pm

From $hi1mydadsays:

“Everyone thinks their opinion matters. Don’t argue with a nobody. A Farmer doesn’t bother telling a pig his breath smells like $hi1.”

Rather than wasting your time combing the internet looking for a single thread of information to counter someone else’s argument, spend that time doing some self introspection. Dissect your own arguments.

Gretchen

December 8th, 2010
9:50 pm

After reading this article, I had a long conversation with my father. We discussed the current state of the economy and the grave misfortune set upon those out of work. I have concluded that the current tax cut agreement will more deeply hurt us in the future, as it will cost billions upon billions of dollars to sustain these cuts. It is unfortunate that President Obama would give in so easily to the Republican Party, as it was his opposition and desire for change that won him the presidential seat. He is turning away from his original ideals, which will most likely lose him a second term. If we wish to get people back to work, we cannot waste our time with giving the wealthy a break, which honestly, they do not need. This country has acquired quite the deficit over the last decade or so. We would get much of the lost money back by lifting these tax cuts. Once the deficit is decreased, or, do I dare say it, we have a surplus (?!), then we can focus more on job creation. The bottom line is that we have too many problems at once, and we must focus on one at a time.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
10:03 pm

Gretchen

We can focus more on job creation later? Are you crazy? Do you think that the mother or father that is about to lose their home gives a damn about the deficit?

Eds

December 9th, 2010
2:33 am

Ms. Tucker,
I never cease to be amazed at the folks who read your column. Wow. I guess none of them are out of work or know anyone who is out of work. Good luck in Georgia this year. Nathan Deal and the majority republican state legislatures are going to take the state for a ride. The results should show the rest of the country what republican governance truly brings to citizens. Glad I moved out of state.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 9th, 2010
4:06 am

No one noticed, Eds.

Betty

December 9th, 2010
6:58 am

Class of ‘98 It is unreasonable to think that long term unemployment benefits will not be needed. There are no jobs. You may have a point if jobs were left unfilled. What part of no jobs don’t you understand?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 9th, 2010
7:36 am

Polls add credence to conclusion – PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA The statement:“There are polls showing right now that the American people for the most part think it’s a bad idea to provide tax cuts to the wealthy.”— From Tuesday’s news conference -Urinal

Aahhh, so he did it anyway.

But at least the dummycrats have their Truth – O – Meter to cling to.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

December 9th, 2010
8:51 am

Obama, it’s the economy, stupid. And what is fundamentally wrong with the economy is the lack of jobs.

The captains of industry? There aren’t any, because there is no real industry left here. Silicon Valley still turns out great ideas, then send them to South Korea for hardware design, gets Indians to do software coding, and gets the Chinese to build them. The phones and electronics you buy? Only the cardboard box is made in the USA. Who’s going to buy your $400K house – the illegals you get to mow your lawn? The sales girl at Macy’s? The burger flippers at Mickey Ds? Your friendly trailerhood Walmart greeter?

Our best business programs – that attract many of the country’s best minds – don’t turn out businessmen – they churn out people that are highly trained and very effective at finding ways to make your money into their money. A Wharton or Stanford MBA ends up in “financial services” with a license to steal.

Our engineering schools – the finest in the world – are populated primarily by foreign-born students, who increasingly aren’t staying here, but going back home, where the work is.

Most rich folks are smart with their money – they do everything they can to avoid taxes, most figure out fairly elaborate ways to disguise their cash flow as expenses – depending on their business, their ability to hide cash flow in trusts, business assets, gifting to their children, setting up charitable organizations to employ relatives to manage the organizations, etc.

Are they going to take their tax savings and invest? Yes! But not in jobs here.

Smart money is investing in overseas markets, selling the dollar short. Currency backed by the “full faith and credit of the United States of America…”. A joke. If this deficit keeps going up, the rich folks will be wiping their arses with $100 bills, because that will be the best use for it.

The American economic empire is in rapid decline. The only solace is that the states that hate gummint the worst are reaping the whirlwind first.

ronald

December 9th, 2010
10:34 am

Kamchak said- “Class envy? Don’t make me laugh. I actually create something tangible, when all you do is move money around among accounts.”

Look Kamchak. You work in construction, OK? No education necessary and you’re probably working with illegal immigrants all day. Congratulations on your “tangible work”. I got paid to make money for clients. Somehow in your distorted mind, money isn’t “something tangible? People like you would gladly do the type of work that I did, if only they had the skill set, but usually they don’t, which is why they end up in construction. Thats reality.

Also, I’ve read many of your posts on many threads here and if 1 thing is certain, it is that you are eaten up with class envy. You have always demonstrated open hostility toward anyone that you view as being wealthy or successful. That is your problem, not mine. You are a dinasour who is trying to apply your 1940’s education to a modern economy where the pieces don’t fit together like they used to. Instead of accepting the new reality around you, you continue to try to put your square peg into the round hole and you b*tch at everyone who is able to succeed in modern times. In short, you are an aging moron who’s best years are far far behind you.