What happens to workers when jobs leave for good?

WASHINGTON — Over the last year, out-of-work Americans, already down on their luck, have had to endure a barrage of unsympathetic, even mean-spirited, criticism from several of their elected representatives. Many Republicans, especially, have portrayed the jobless as either shiftless deadbeats too lazy to look for work or pompous failures too proud to take a job beneath their social standing.

Neither analysis is an accurate reflection of the desolate landscape in which many American workers find themselves. Surely those Republicans know that the unemployment rate has been stuck near ten percent for a year and a half; there are about five applicants for every job opening.

And, as Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said recently on “60 Minutes,” we’re unlikely to see a flush economy for several more years. That’s because the recent recession, brought on by Wall Street excesses, isn’t the only culprit.

For decades now, globalization and technology have been grinding away at American jobs, a process which has gained speed of late. And most of those jobs are never coming back.

Take my southern Alabama hometown. Best known as the  setting for Harper Lee’s “To Kill a Mockingbird,” it was never a prosperous place, but its textile mills and pulpwood plants used to provide a decent living for working-class residents.

The textile company now known as VF Corporation brought factories to Monroeville in the 1930s, providing paychecks to women (mostly) from the white working-class. By the 1970s, black women were also employed at its sewing machines, making Vanity Fair underwear sold in well-known department stores.

By the 1980s, Parsons & Whittemore Enterprises, one of the world’s largest producers of pulp for paper-making, was operating several mills in Monroe County. Its Alabama River Companies became the local standard for good wages. In 2000, Medline, a huge manufacturer and distributor of health care products and hospital scrubs, opened a small facility that seemed to promise a semblance of security.

But times have changed. The sewing mills have largely moved to low wage countries such as Vietnam and Bangladesh. Medline closed its Monroeville facility, though it has expanded its operations in Mexico and other locales.

For its part, the pulp business has been buffeted by such disparate technology-related trends as the decline of newspapers (a huge consumer of newsprint) and the rise of digital cameras (which circumvent the old print-snapshots-on paper habit). Plants have been shuttered and workers laid off. Some may eventually be re-hired, but many will not find work again that pays as well.

While the state of Alabama has an unemployment rate of 8.9 percent, lower than the national average, Monroe County has an unemployment rate of about 16 percent. Its jobless residents can knock on doors, submit applications and spend countless hours in re-training classes at the local community college, but most are unlikely to find work any time soon. If your job experience is limited to cutting and dying at a textile mill, you’ll find it difficult to remake yourself as a nurse or a computer technician.

The prospects for Monroeville’s jobless workers won’t be transformed by the deal that President Obama has struck with Republican leaders, who insisted on maintaining Bush-era tax cuts for the richest Americans. The owners of textile plants are unlikely to decide that southern Alabama has suddenly become better for business than Brazil. Nor will the hiring plans at Georgia Pacific, which bought Parsons & Whittemore’s Monroe County holdings, change because its executives keep more money in their pockets.

The best news for the unemployed all over the country is that Obama managed to wrest a year-long extension of unemployment benefits out of the deal. For those workers who have nothing else, that’s the difference between eating and going hungry, paying the heating bill and sitting in the cold.

Indeed, Congress — despite its deficit hawks and its compassion-less conservatives — needs to reconsider the old idea that unemployment benefits are a short-term lifeline that is dropped after a recession ends. This was no ordinary recession; it is an earthquake that is destroying the old economy and creating a new one in its wake.

The victims of those tectonic shifts — especially workers too old to learn a new skill or move to a new city – may need long-term, government-funded assistance. It’s not their fault that the ground suddenly shifted beneath their feet.

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ronald

December 8th, 2010
3:08 pm

“You should have been born in the 1800’s and entered the workforce in 1885. The 12 hour days, six day workweeks, child labor, no vacations, no insurance and no sick leaves would have definitely been your cup of tea.”

Carlos- I was born in the 1970’s and worked on Wall Street for most of my 20’s. I was one of those guys that you like to demonize for being greedy and selfish. I worked 12-15 hour days (often 7 days a week) and was afraid to call in sick because there were 100 other guys waiting to take my job if I appeared soft. Its a choice I made and I was well compensated for it. There are many people who choose that “cup of tea”

NA

December 8th, 2010
3:23 pm

at least Granny finally stated who she is (embrace socialism) go and sneak into Cuba or Venezuela
You will love it there and take your granddaughter Cynthia with you.
They will love her articles there.
I still do not understand how Cynthia can make even good things sound bad, I know she went to school at Auburn but I do not understand how she made it through college unless someone else was paying for it, or she had nothing else to do anyway. Cynthia Auburn may become the national champ in football but if you were running the team they would not have even wanted to score as that would be unfair to the other teams.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
3:25 pm

at least Granny finally stated who she is…

I believe that was a name-jacker, sport.

AllTuckeredOut

December 8th, 2010
3:27 pm

What Cynthia Tucker says is true. Just look at the AJC, too old to learn. Their distribution has dropped to less than half of what it was even 7 years ago. They closed delivery branches, gave early retirement, and laid off hundreds. And they are still not making it… Why? Because it still has gives voice to Cynthia Tucker and the likes of her. No one wants, has wanted, or will want what you are selling CT and AJC! CT you are right, you are both too old to learn. Better get ready to take some extended unemployment girl!

ltruks

December 8th, 2010
3:29 pm

If you believe that tax cuts are the answer to our economic problems you have got to be of the mindset that the horse and buggy is preferable to the automobile. Only an idiot would decide to expand his business because of taxes. Taxes are only paid if you earn a profit.

If memory serves correctly the number one priority of any business is to make a profit. Profitability is result of being able to supply the demand for a product or service at a cost that exceeds it’s production cost.

After attaining profitability a business expands or grows because there is an excess in demand for it’s product or service, and in order to retain and attract customers it must be able to meet that demand.

Do you thank Toyota and Honda came to the US for tax purposes?

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 8th, 2010
3:30 pm

CT – Some of the jobs are gone, hopefully not for good.

Look at the hundreds of thousands of jobs being taken in the US by H-1b and L1 visa holders. These jobs are supposedly for the ones where the skills do not exist in the US but that is BS.

In the IT field for the most part these visa holders are only average and their language skills are below average, but they are CHEAP. The companies that support them are the ones making the money not the visa holders themselves.

The recruiters of these visas will not hire a US citizen for these jobs for the most part.
1. because if they work more than 40 hours (on a contract basis) they want to be paid for the hours they work.
2. The companies do not want to pay what they are supposed to by LAW (prevailing rate for the position).

I have seen entire projects staffed by nothing but H1b visa holders from India (tell me NO US CITIZEN WAS QUALIFIED)

TATA, InfoSYS, Wipro etc are Indian owned companies that corporations contract with daily that supply these H1b and L1 visa holders to projects in the US because they can pay them below the rates in the US.

The pols have voted on the extension of the H1b visas by voice vote (non recorded) so that there voters do no know how they have been sold out by the Dems and Repubs year after year.

GT/MIT

December 8th, 2010
3:31 pm

Well, one last stab here my left leaning friend, I don’t believe I’ve said or implied that there hasn’t been non-union jobs out-sourced. My comment was I believe, that unions are the major factor in that phenomenon. Since most” LARGE” companies are unionized,(the big D excepted), their departure to parts unknown has a comparatively larger impact on our economy.

I assume you are aware what assuming makes one?

ml

December 8th, 2010
3:39 pm

rich people like a good-bad economy ever so often. headline-movie biz wants to keep breaks
just like moving a factory overseas long enough to be able to bring it back later and with leverage to ask for incentives and favoritable breaks, special treatment.
the rich, corporations love the cyclical economy. make a lot of money one way when the market is up, make a lot of money the other way when the market is down.
special place in hell for this and similar wall street trader type stuff.
just like the company you work for, when the economy is down use that to make workers desperate and use that to keep them in line.
use that to lower pay across the board and say if you don’t like it go somewhere else. fully knowing that you are over a barrel and there is hardly anyplace left to go.
use a bad economy to cut benefits and use the bad economy as the reason, seems fair, but wouldn’t fair be to bring back benefits that were lost when the economy is good? nope that’s capitalism pal, they won’t come back when the reason they were taken away reverses. you should have worked harder to be a millionaire, you lazy stinkin’ bum.
why people who put out high levels of work and put out high levels of quality work receive the same pathetic 3% annual raise as the non-performing kiss butt perpetual smoke break taker receives-adding that all non-smokers should receive from the beginning an added shift differential type pay. don’t like it smokers? try to think about it for a second without the nicotine addiction doing your thinking for you. to hell with urinalysis, take people for how they work but always, ALWAYS, leave your addictions and your vices at home or anywhere outside of the office. especially if your addiction ever compels you to stop work to feed it, and especially if that means you have to do it while others are working.
always amazed by the idiots that have chosen to be the mouthpieces of politicians and CEO’s promote their ideals, like trickle down and anyone can be a millionaire and America the land of opportunity like it’s always easy, it’s then that I ask them, so why aren’t you a millionaire? just love the comraderie of living with commoners? think the money would ruin you?
so in other words, every person that has voted Republican that is extremely affluent is actually a self proclaimed lazy unmotivated bum as evident by their own crazy BS.

hryder

December 8th, 2010
3:43 pm

Stop reporting only portions of events in attempting to lead people to believe liberals are the best and conservatives the worst. Conservatives said that all taxpayers rates should remain in place that were passed during a previous Presidentcial term. Liberals said that tax rates should remain in place for those with incomes below certain levels but rise per previous legislation for those above that level. That makes sense to socialists, facists, and liberals possibly others but to no one who has busted their hump in attempting or actually becoming monetarily successful. I, for one, would never ever have spent 15-16 hours a day for over four years attending class and studying while piling up debt through loans necessitated because I did not have enough money saved from full time employment, saving almost each entire check, while living with my graciously supporting parents. Then working 12-14 hours per day using the educational skills I had learned and earned through personal discipline and efforts to become what I view as financially successful. I and my immediate family, now are enjoying the fruits of those efforts in retirement. If, as some indicate, we all should have a maximum income level by tax law(s) I would have emigrated elsewhere or just decided to do what I did for three years prior to my professional education efforts and been a partying playing goodtime Charlie knowing that if worse came to worse I could suck off the public tit by funds provided through confiscation of others above allowable earnings levels efforts.

Lynn

December 8th, 2010
3:47 pm

andygrdzki – LIttle known fact. The top 5 Asian Countries are there because only the best go to school. IF you were born and you were trained to be a janitor well guess what – that is what you will be for the rest of your life. Athlete, etc. So if we took our best and brightest then maybe there could be a real comparison.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
3:54 pm

Keep Up

What the hell are you blabbering about now? The Abrams went into SERVICE in 1990. the F22 went into service in 2005.

And why would I dodge and weave from you. you have never landed a punch with me standing completely still, right in front of you.

If your Mom catches you on the computer when she gets home from work, you are going to be grounded again.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
3:57 pm

Stop reporting only portions of events in attempting to lead people to believe liberals are the best and conservatives the worst.

Talk-radio has been using the us good/ them bad paradigm for the past thirty some odd years.

Why is it only now that your thong is all atwist?

Boehner

December 8th, 2010
4:03 pm

to every person that has voted for my party-why aren’t you rich yet?
I’ve done everything that you believed I said was true.
I trickled down you and I’ve championed the never flawed economic system of capitalism.
what is taking you so long?
anybody that calls themselves a republican that isn’t rich by now might just be one of hide in the closet at night boogeyman liberals.
because come on let’s face it, if I and other members of the republican party have set things up so well that all you have to do is saunter along and knock down the pins with ease, why aren’t you rich already?
that means that anyone that claims to be a republican and isn’t a millionaire now after the way has been so clearly paved for them is actually a lazy good for nothing entitlement craving slacker that is begging for their house to be foreclosed on them, beggin for a family medical emergency to bankrupt them.
in the land of opportunity where anyone can succeed anytime they want to, you’d have to be lazy or just plain bad to not be inundated with cash pooring through your windows at night.
republican voters who aren’t extremely rich, what more do I have to do for you? deposit the money in your account for you, would that help?
any republican voter that isn’t rich is someone living beyond their means and not even coming close to living up to their potential, or as me and my pals call it, a democrat. and the worst kind of democrat, the kind that won’t admit to it.

Mr Charlie

December 8th, 2010
4:06 pm

“Talk-radio has been using the us good/ them bad paradigm for the past thirty some odd years.

Why is it only now that your thong is all atwist?”

So CT is like talk radio, glad you admit it.

brad

December 8th, 2010
4:08 pm

wow. CT has noticed the difference in a small town economy and a big town economy! Competition, incentive, cost of living, education levels, wage levels, location, etc, etc. all play a role in jobs – where they go, why they stay, and why they go. I wonder if she knows why Monroeville is not as big as Atlanta or Birmingham – or why Birmingham is not as big as Atlanta or why it didn’t grow as fast. Someone needs a history lesson, a political lesson, and an economics lesson.

Amazing

Mr Charlie

December 8th, 2010
4:10 pm

I did not notice how CT closed the Edwards thread too soon, lest somebody bring up the subject that if libs had their way, Mr Edwards would have been one heartbeat away from the presidency. Sure, libs are excellent judges of character.

The Nerve

December 8th, 2010
4:10 pm

“Over the last year, out-of-work Americans, already down on their luck, have had to endure a barrage of unsympathetic, even mean-spirited, criticism from several of their elected representatives. Many Republicans, especially, have portrayed the jobless as either shiftless deadbeats too lazy to look for work or pompous failures too proud to take a job beneath their social standing.”

ctucker

December 8th, 2010
10:49 am
TXM@10:25, I am utterly delighted that you commented and brought some actual knowledge of the situation in Monroeville. Many of my commenters are mean and vicious and completely ignorant of the people of whom they speak.

Pot. Meet Kettle. Kettle. Pot. CT, you start what would be a meaningful discussion on outsourcing by spouting left wing propoganda and over generalization. Once again, you spew vile hatred towards the right…and then wonder why they comment about it. Amazing. Simply amazing. But I expect nothing less from a liberal. Liberals are all for equality, fairness and compassion..until you disagree with them.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
4:12 pm

So CT is like talk radio, glad you admit it.

I admit nothing, Mr. Chuckie-poo.

Mudfoot

December 8th, 2010
4:14 pm

Mr Charlie 4:10 pm

Dangerous territory to tread… can you say “Palin”?

ronald

December 8th, 2010
4:16 pm

ML says “special place in hell for this and similar wall street trader type stuff.”

Special place in hell for wha? Your class envy is showing again, moron…Go find me the verse (from any religion) that indicates hard work (or being a trader on Wall ST) equates sin. Its amazing how naive and uninformed that people are about Wall St., particularly those that really don’t understand what it is or how it functions.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 8th, 2010
4:28 pm

Stupidity is Free….as usual you did not comprehend simple statements. Look again at what I said about the F22. And do tell me when the parts that were put into the 1st planes were designed for their technology. Its not about when the plane went into service.

This has been a public service announcement for the completely clueless.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
4:32 pm

…that indicates hard work (or being a trader on Wall ST)…

I would have to agree that neither hard work nor being a trader on Wall St. is a sin, but to equate sitting at a desk, running your mouth on the phone as “hard work”….

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Bob

December 8th, 2010
4:40 pm

I think the commenters here are missing the point. In this country we haven’t figured out what to do with workers when jobs are gone for good. It always happens but now that high unemployment will be with us for a while the best our government can do is give out money????

I’ve talked with my Canadian friends and they say that if they get laid off they can go back to school to get retrained in a career that needs workers.

Why do we not do this here? If everyone knows that unemployment benefits, without retraining, are for a few weeks while benefits continue as you retrain then there will be many people retraining for jobs that are available or will become available. We will have a better workforce instead of many long term unemployed workers.

But no, that doesn’t fit in a Democrat or Republican platform so we will not do that.

Martin Williams

December 8th, 2010
5:04 pm

This is not about liberals and conservatives, America is going down and this time it is for real. We need to close some of the useless bases we have all over the world and we need to get out of Afganistan as quick as possible. Unemployment is still going to be 9% plus come 2012 and the GOP will blame Mr. Obama. How can a nation continue to give tax cuts and be involved in several wars? We should be paying more taxes and not less. Tax cuts only create more deficit and NO jobs simple.

Steve

December 8th, 2010
5:15 pm

This country has boxed itself into corner, fast food is bad for you but where else are stupid people going to work?

Steve

December 8th, 2010
5:18 pm

I rarely agree with Cynthia Tucker, but it cracks me up that people don’t realize that as long as she gets page after page of comments that someone is reading her column. It is OK to disagree with her but all these hate comments are just giving her job security.

The Truth

December 8th, 2010
5:23 pm

” It’s not their fault that the ground suddenly shifted beneath their feet.”

BUT IT IS THEIR FAULT IF THEY ARE NOT EDUCATED AND PREPARED FOR CHANGE.
Something a libleral like CT will never admit to.

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
5:32 pm

Keep Up

Put the bong down and start to face reality.

What does the F-22 technology have to do with anything I have said? I said that we have introduced new technology. And you bring up the M1A1 and the F-22, both 20 and 15 year old technology.

Do you have a clue about the technology that we have developed in the last five years? Would it matter? You are going to stand like the petulant child that you are and look for different ways to call me names, no matter how foolish you look.

So let’s have it, little twit. It’s all you can do.

A Lumpkin Resident

December 8th, 2010
5:48 pm

A Lumpkin Resident@10:37, Whatever gave you the impression that my column was about people who “managed to put together a couple years work during their lives.” You know nothing about the people about whom I wrote.

The problem is, Cynthia, that whatever rules you would like to see changed would apply to ALL unemployed, not the tiny subset of unemployed that you imagine. Unemployment insurance applies to people who worked 5 quarters as much as it does to people who worked 50 years. And it doesn’t change the basic fact of my argument: that liberals such as yourself believe that there should be no end to unemployment insurance. You have now admitted that your believe there should be no time limit placed on unemployment insurance payments, based on the “people whom I wrote”, but with greater application to all of the unemployed.

Here is the basic fact: when your job is outsourced, it is time to find a new line of work. When your manufacturing job goes away, it is time to find something else to do. You might be given 13…. or 99.. weeks to find a new job in the field that you have been trained. But that temporary bridge… unemployment insurance… must go away lest people decide that they would rather take a pittance than retrain or take a lower paying job.

To be clear: I lost my job and was out of work for 9 months in 2009. I took a job making 30% less and commute 3 hours a day. My family barely gets by. If I had not been able to find work, I would have let my house lapse into foreclosure and would have moved to an area where there are jobs. People CAN make the hard choices that allow them to move on with their lives. Unemployment insurance can be a bridge, or it can be the crutch that allows them to limp on, month after month (and if made permanent, a significant number would choose to take it forever rather than get a low paying job).

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 8th, 2010
5:55 pm

Bob@4:40 pm

I think the commenters here are missing the point. In this country we haven’t figured out what to do with workers when jobs are gone for good. It always happens but now that high unemployment will be with us for a while the best our government can do is give out money????

I’ve talked with my Canadian friends and they say that if they get laid off they can go back to school to get retrained in a career that needs workers.

Why do we not do this here? If everyone knows that unemployment benefits, without retraining, are for a few weeks while benefits continue as you retrain then there will be many people retraining for jobs that are available or will become available. We will have a better workforce instead of many long term unemployed workers.

But no, that doesn’t fit in a Democrat or Republican platform so we will not do that.
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Ask the workers in the IT industry. Most of us have degrees and advanced degrees plus addition education over the years and still find it difficult to find jobs or even contract work.

Why.

Offshoring and H1b visa holders is the simple answer. US corporations would rather pay a contract company to bring in an H1b visa holder than to hire a US citizen even as a contract employee.

Why.

Because the H1b visa holder will work unlimited hours for 40 hour pay, while the US citizen expects the corporation to live up to the LAW. (pay per hour).

ronald

December 8th, 2010
6:03 pm

“I would have to agree that neither hard work nor being a trader on Wall St. is a sin, but to equate sitting at a desk, running your mouth on the phone as “hard work”….

Oh, I forgot. To you, “real work” means farm labor or a construction job. Earning millions for your employer using your MIND doesn’t count in your populist world. Watch yourself Kamchak, your class envy is seeping out again.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
6:27 pm

Oh, I forgot. To you, “real work” means farm labor or a construction job.

Didn’t say anything about “real” work, I said “hard” work. I was putting in 12 hour days building houses while you were still making a mess in your diapers, sport.

Class envy?

Don’t make me laugh.

I actually create something tangible, when all you do is move money around among accounts.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 8th, 2010
6:40 pm

Kamchak@6:27 pm

Oh, I forgot. To you, “real work” means farm labor or a construction job.

Didn’t say anything about “real” work, I said “hard” work. I was putting in 12 hour days building houses while you were still making a mess in your diapers, sport.

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Damn Kam, that made me laugh like h3ll.

If that was me you were talking to it would make you about 75 years old LMAO.

Good one

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
6:51 pm

Common Sense isn’t very Common

I worked construction for a while, back in college. I never considered it hard work. Of course there were those guys that were never able to master the crafts and were always the ones digging ditches, being a human wheel burro, etc. After the first week, it was obvious that I knew which end of the nail to hit so my work was very satisfying and enjoyable.

But come to think of it, Kammy probably did get the hard jobs.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
6:56 pm

If that was me you were talking to it would make you about 75 years old LMAO.

Well,,,he did say that he was born in the 1970s

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
6:57 pm

Many of you are not reading the text. CT is correct – tech & NAFTA have removed a ton of manufacturing jobs. Want them back? Erect trade barriers & tariffs, which should reduce your taxes but increase the cost of imported products. Raise those tariffs enough, and the manufacturer of those products will eventually want to actually build them here.

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
7:01 pm

heck, this economy should point something out: the feminist revolution was a failure. Our labor market economy no longer needs all this surplus labor. So now, both male & females without college degrees can’t get a job. meanwhile the DINKS haul in a ton of $$$. Eventually, even the DINKS will have to see their wages start to shrink, as they are not affordable anymore. We have wiped out demand for physical labor, unless it is a government job. This is a recipe for disaster, and I completely concur with MS. Tucker.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 8th, 2010
7:10 pm

Paddy O – I agree with you on this. I myself will look high and low to buy products made in the USA. If I can’t find them then sometimes I do without (if not really needed) or buy substitutes (if absolutely needed).

Rarely do I have to buy something from another country (just my small effort on behalf of the US companies).

The countries where the products are made usually have gov’t backing so that they can corner the market in particular goods and the prices stay low until they are no longer made in the USA then they seem to rise.

The same is happening to offshoring of IT services in India as their prices rise companies are looking to Malaysia etc for even lower costs.

Call almost any helpdesk at night and ask them where they are located 9 times out of 10 they will lie and say Canada,etc but ask for the US helpdesk and watch the tapdancing begin. LOL.

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
7:13 pm

anyone know ADP? They process a ton of RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS, for corporations nation wide. they have transferred their data processing of this highly sensitive information (your SS #) to India. Now, does this sound like a wise thing? NO, it is simply to slash labor costs. Our corporations are living high off the hog while they exploit naive workers in countries whose leaders are desperate to alleviate genuine poverty. Sad. Repeal NAFTA, adopt trade barrier tariffs, protect Americans’ personal & financial data.

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
7:14 pm

they can hire 3 indians for 1 american, and still lower the cost of labor – exploitation, just like in the industrial age.

Paddy O

December 8th, 2010
7:17 pm

it will be interesting to see next year when teachers are asked to actually lower their annual salaries how loud a stink is created. giving teachers $5000 annual bonuses for the remainder of their careers for advanced degrees that don’t seem to improve the results of their teaching has finally become fiscally unsustainable. GA is at a crossroads, and we have nathan deal looking which way to go.

killerj

December 8th, 2010
7:27 pm

Awww come on now,we want all those illegals to come to this country and take our jobs, I like collecting free money while they prosper to have more than me as an American citizen,flip flop flip flop flip flop,can,t wait until Jan 1st. Go Tea Party,clean house.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
7:37 pm

can,t wait until Jan 1st. Go Tea Party,clean house.

You mean the same tea-baggers that are showing every sign of being a typical pol?

Too funny!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 8th, 2010
7:44 pm

Damn, Tuck has 443 comments and only 200 of them are from Upchuk.

Kamchak

December 8th, 2010
7:49 pm

And a gracious good evening to you also, Andy-poo.

Dick Hertz

December 8th, 2010
8:39 pm

Of course the worst of that was the Bush years, the policies of which you all seem so enamored. It’s as if you are demanding, no, begging to be robbed and abused. Please, more bohica! Give me all the bongo bongo you have got!

Nothing Is Free

December 8th, 2010
8:50 pm

Dick Hertz

It’s all just a matter of degrees. Under Bush, we had the mainstream media and you libs screaming about how bad things were that we were being wire tapped when we called Saudi Arabia, but under Obama, while those wire tapping laws have been sustained and increased, the problem now is that no one can afford to place the phone call.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

December 8th, 2010
9:14 pm

White House officials are playing down the contretemps, emphasizing to reporters that it will use the liberal anger to its political advantage. Distancing Mr. Obama from the left wing of his party will be “a positive byproduct” of the tax extensions for all income groups, a White House aide close to Obama told Politico.com. “Compared to these guys, the president looks mature and pragmatic,” the official said.

You know, I’ve seen some bitch slaps in my life but none quite like this, just sayin…

Howboutit?

December 8th, 2010
9:17 pm

From $hi1mydadsays:

“Everyone thinks their opinion matters. Don’t argue with a nobody. A Farmer doesn’t bother telling a pig his breath smells like $hi1.”

Rather than wasting your time combing the internet looking for a single thread of information to counter someone else’s argument, spend that time doing some self introspection. Dissect your own arguments.

Gretchen

December 8th, 2010
9:50 pm

After reading this article, I had a long conversation with my father. We discussed the current state of the economy and the grave misfortune set upon those out of work. I have concluded that the current tax cut agreement will more deeply hurt us in the future, as it will cost billions upon billions of dollars to sustain these cuts. It is unfortunate that President Obama would give in so easily to the Republican Party, as it was his opposition and desire for change that won him the presidential seat. He is turning away from his original ideals, which will most likely lose him a second term. If we wish to get people back to work, we cannot waste our time with giving the wealthy a break, which honestly, they do not need. This country has acquired quite the deficit over the last decade or so. We would get much of the lost money back by lifting these tax cuts. Once the deficit is decreased, or, do I dare say it, we have a surplus (?!), then we can focus more on job creation. The bottom line is that we have too many problems at once, and we must focus on one at a time.