Did the stimulus plan help Georgia? You bet

CAVE SPRING, Ga. — Last week, under a brilliant blue autumn sky, a platoon of Georgia officials broke ground for a brand-new vocational training center for Georgians who are deaf, blind or suffer other disabilities. It will replace a smaller facility, which has been located in this small town near Rome since 1962.

Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond, who planned the new building, noted the good fortune of a $10 million project in the midst of severe state budget cuts. He called it “miraculous.”

It isn’t. The new center will be constructed with funds from the same deeply unpopular federal government program that has cut taxes, bought groceries and paid college tuition in households around the country for more than a year — the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as the “stimulus.”

Among the officials grabbing a ceremonial shovel was Eddie Lumsden, the Republican chairman of the Floyd County Commission. While he believes the new Cave Spring Rehabilitation Center will be a “plus for the community,” like most GOP officials, he’s no fan of the Recovery Act.

“The argument was that it was going to do a lot to bring jobs and help business. But our economy here has not rebounded,” he said.

The Recovery Act was no cure-all, but an analysis by two economists has concluded that stimulus programs under the Bush and Obama administrations added about 2.7 million jobs. (In 2008, in response to the sluggish economy, the Bush administration sent out tax rebate checks. That was a little-noted early stimulus plan.)

In a July report, Princeton University economist Alan Blinder and Moody’s Analytics chief economist Mark Zandi, who advised John McCain’s campaign, concluded: “The stimulus has done what it was supposed to do: end the Great Recession and spur recovery.” Without the stimulus programs, they said, the unemployment rate would be around 1.5 percent higher.

Thurmond, whose department oversees vocational training programs, said that he set aside stimulus funds for the project because the old training center was dilapidated and “an embarrassment to the state of Georgia.”

The stimulus funds were “a Godsend, the money coming in the midst of a recession when state funds were being cut, to address this huge need we had,” he said.

Since he has mounted a quixotic challenge to popular GOP incumbent Senator Johnny Isakson, Thurmond might consider another aspect of the project useful to his campaign: It will generate some 200 construction jobs, according to John Farmer, a director of construction for the Beck Group, which won the state contract.

“That doesn’t count the jobs in manufacturing. All the materials have to be manufactured,” Farmer added.

But the Recovery Act remains little appreciated among average voters. Few seem to know, for example, that nearly one-third of the $787 billion Recovery Act came in the form of tax cuts, which benefitted 95 percent of households. The tax cuts didn’t go out as separate checks but took the form of slight increases in take-home pay, as the federal government withheld less.

That strategy was intentional; President Obama and his advisers believed that consumers would more likely spend small increases on items such as groceries and clothes, stimulating the economy. A larger check might have gone to savings accounts, with no effect on retail sales.

So the economic effect was just what the president and his advisers had hoped. The political effect, however, was less than useful for Democrats — voters who don’t believe their taxes were cut. Meanwhile, Republicans and their allies in the rightwing noise machine have done everything possible to persuade voters that the stimulus legislation was a model of government waste.

The new rehab center, which is expected to open in November 2011, will include a dormitory, cafeteria and classrooms, as well as modern greenhouses, an amphitheater and a basketball court. Its opening will no doubt draw an even larger group of politicians, many of whom insist that the Recovery Act was a disastrous mistake.

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T-Town

October 13th, 2010
8:07 am

It may be 20-20 hindsight, but the stimulus plan has done little to stem the unemployment rate still well over 9%. I have no idea at what price these 200 were created with, but I think to the average citizen it was way too much. This coming from someone who not only lost his job, but his home to foreclosure. Too little too late from Bush and Obama.

Jack

October 13th, 2010
8:11 am

“Make do” jobs have no lasting effect on the economy. But they do provide bragging rights for liberals.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
8:14 am

Why certainly it did!

And serious people understand it and appreciate it.

The rest will be stimilated to insult our host and all serious people for the balance of the commenting day.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
8:15 am

make that stimulated….

Corey

October 13th, 2010
8:17 am

What does a Republican have to do to not get elected in in Georgia, admit he’s an ax murderer? It’s unbelievable that Nathan Deal with a trail of ethics issues and financial shortcomings is leading by a hefty margin in the polls against Roy Barnes. If Mr. Barnes had all of Mr. Deal’s baggage he would be polling at a single digit. Absolutely unbelievable. There are those on the right who proclaim that Mr. Obama is the worst president ever which remains to be seen, but one thing for certain he inherited a nation in worst shape ever in modern times.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
8:19 am

CT, how do you feel about all the “stimulus” money spent to create road-side signage telling us how wonderful the “stimulus’ is? I’ve heard some estimates upwards of $100,000 to create and maintain a single sign.

JKL2

October 13th, 2010
8:19 am

granny- And serious people understand it and appreciate it.

They(yourself included) don’t understand it and that’s the problem. Your grandkids will get to understand it as they will be stuck picking up your tab.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
8:20 am

Thanks Corey. The Dems should never have put Barnes on the State ballot. Was a dumb decision and now they will again receive a well deserved paddling.

Peadawg

October 13th, 2010
8:21 am

Corey, you can blame that on the Democrats in Washington. The D by Barnes’s name is what’s holding him back.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
8:25 am

JKl2

I really don’t take seriously comments by folks who pass along false quotes in order to bolster their already weak arguments.

I would posit you don’t understand the very basics of common decency,
character and integrity.

But you do regularly spell well.

Worry about your own grandkids, mine are very well tended.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
8:27 am

Bob

Your comment is way over the top.

Shame on you.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
8:29 am

That strategy was intentional; President Obama and his advisers believed that consumers would more likely spend small increases on items such as groceries and clothes, stimulating the economy. A larger check might have gone to savings accounts, with no effect on retail sales

A’la Bush’s “Stimulus” Checks.

Bob

October 13th, 2010
8:30 am

Corey, until ten years ago, Barnes would have been elected if he was an ax murderer. This was a one party state for over 100 years and the folks running Atlanta have no scapegoat for the failing infastructure and failing schools. Obo can blame Bush, the APS can’t. Speaking of OBO, why is his justice dept not filing charges against the Chamber of Commerce for accepting foreign funds, everyone knows he has the proof.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
8:31 am

jack: “Make do” jobs have no lasting effect on the economy. But they do provide bragging rights for liberals

Since the recession started in 2007 – how many jobs have the Repubs created?

Mystified

October 13th, 2010
8:31 am

No doubt some of the stimulus money created some “good things”. But were the good things worth spending $750 billion in debt money? Here is the philosophical difference. Is paying $100 for a $10 bill a good deal? The dems will comment on what a nice $10 bill it is and have no understanding of why repubs complain that it cost too much.

Aquagirl

October 13th, 2010
8:32 am

granny, too much stimulation for you at this hour?

Mystified

October 13th, 2010
8:34 am

When you are spending someone else’s money, in this case money that will be taken from our great grand kids, you don’t seem to worry quite as much about getting value.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
8:38 am

More stimulus money was wasted than was put to good use. Yet another Obama-debacle.

Alatsea

October 13th, 2010
8:38 am

Using taxpayer money on something with a very low return on, and your ramblings below about this fairyland of tax cuts and jobs, is about to explode into the largest tax increases ever in history, yes ever. Are you really that shallow thinking of a person? You should go to Hollywood and write screen plays because most everything you write is make believe.

“The tax cuts didn’t go out as separate checks but took the form of slight increases in take-home pay, as the federal government withheld less.

That strategy was intentional; President Obama and his advisers believed that consumers would more likely spend small increases on items such as groceries and clothes, stimulating the economy. A larger check might have gone to savings accounts, with no effect on retail sales.”

Kool-aid has nothing to do with this, you just need to get a grip.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
8:38 am

Aquagirl…

I always enjoy morning stimulation, don’t you?

Eric Pearson

October 13th, 2010
8:38 am

My theory is that folks in Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi and other “progressive, highly educated” states tend to vote against our best interests (read republican) because they think that’s what God wants them to do. I’m hopeful that eventually, when it gets so freaking bad, even the Godists will see the light. However, I don’t expect any rapid improvement in this area. The Beck and Hannity types seem to have them by their highly profitable nuts and they’re not likely to let go anytime soon.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
8:40 am

“Speaking of OBO, why is his justice dept not filing charges against the Chamber of Commerce for accepting foreign funds, everyone knows he has the proof.”

While not voting for Obama, I did at one time think he was a fairly intelligent individual, however he keeps stepping from one pile and right into the next. Guess I was wrong.

Van Jones

October 13th, 2010
8:40 am

I will never be able to get behind the notion of being taxed by the federal govt only to have some “group” decide how much of my tax money I get back in terms of projects THEY believe are important.

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
8:43 am

Eric P…I dont know about all that but I watch Hannity and he tosses around the football everynight and he is a football fan so that is good enough for me!

I like football, hannity and the GOP.

Mystified

October 13th, 2010
8:43 am

Hey…. If you disagree with my viewpoint, I’ll just insult your intelligence, your education, call you names and I’ll never actually have to engage in meaningful debate. I mean surely I can’t be wrong on anything.

Great philosophy Pearson, you should write for the AJC.

T-Town

October 13th, 2010
8:46 am

In my lifetime I have never seen so many spend so much that belongs to others, with very little results, then call it a success.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
8:46 am

Van Jones

Did you always feel that way or did the symptoms start in January 2009?

See, that’s how government works.

I understand your feelings though. I wasn’t crazy about a group spending my money invading a country that didn’t attack us. I disliked having a group spend my money on abstinence only education. I was
distressed to see a group create the boondoggle that is DHS.

Gator Joe

October 13th, 2010
8:48 am

Cynthia,
Characteristicly of hypocritical politicians, in this case (and often) Republicans, they opposed the stimulus and then step up to have their pictures taken with shovels and hardhats at ground-breaking for stimulus funded projects. As for average voters lacking appreciation for the stimulus and the jobs it has provided, many of them live in an insular bubble which Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and Fox “news” has created for them, and have a distorted, if any, view of the stimulus.

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
8:48 am

Perhaps some of the stimulus money could be used to train and re-train french fry cooks thereby enabling them to make a nice salary of oh say $25K annually. Because they are all good people and deserve it.

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October 13th, 2010
8:49 am

Eric @ 8:38

What’s your theory?

Evelyce

October 13th, 2010
8:49 am

It looks like the only thing the stimulus bought was the Kool Aid that you all drank.

Van Jones

October 13th, 2010
8:50 am

Granny, I’ve felt that way for a long time. Poor attempt at baiting though.

Poor Boy from Alabama

October 13th, 2010
8:50 am

There’s an awful lot of political spin in the argument Ms. Tucker is making today.

There’s no denying that the stimulus had some effect. It’s almost impossible to spend three quarters of a trillion dollars and not see some impact.

The real question was whether the stimulus was well conceived, well executed and met expectations. To a poor boy from Alabama it comes up short on all counts.

Back in October of 2009, Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker did a piece about Larry Summers that included an account of the process by which Obama’s economic team developed the outlines of the stimulus package during the period between the election and the inauguration. A couple of things stand out:

1. Christina Romer’s models showed that there was a $2 trillion output gap in the economy and that at least $1.2 trillion in stimulus was needed to get the economy back on track. The size of the stimulus needed was dependent upon what form it took. Her models showed that government spending had a multiplier of 1.5 (one dollar of government spending would result in $1.50 in GDP) whereas tax cuts had a multiplier of one or less. A stimulus that was all government spending would just about close the gap ($1.2 trillion x 1.5 = $1.8 trillion) whereas a stimulus that was made up mostly of tax cuts would not.

2. Team Obama never seriously considered doing what their own analysis said was required. Here’s a quote from Lizza’s article:

The most important question facing Obama that day was how large the stimulus should be. Since the election, as the economy continued to worsen, the consensus among economists kept rising. A hundred-billion-dollar stimulus had seemed prudent earlier in the year. Congress now appeared receptive to something on the order of five hundred billion. Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel laureate, was calling for a trillion. Romer had run simulations of the effects of stimulus packages of varying sizes: six hundred billion dollars, eight hundred billion dollars, and $1.2 trillion. The best estimate for the output gap was some two trillion dollars over 2009 and 2010. Because of the multiplier effect, filling that gap didn’t require two trillion dollars of government spending, but Romer’s analysis, deeply informed by her work on the Depression, suggested that the package should probably be more than $1.2 trillion. The memo to Obama, however, detailed only two packages: a five-hundred-and-fifty-billion-dollar stimulus and an eight-hundred-and-ninety-billion-dollar stimulus. Summers did not include Romer’s $1.2-trillion projection. The memo argued that the stimulus should not be used to fill the entire output gap; rather, it was “an insurance package against catastrophic failure.” At the meeting, according to one participant, “there was no serious discussion to going above a trillion dollars.”

newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/12/091012fa_fact_lizza

Peter Orszag, Obama’s former head of OMB was on the Charlie Rose show recently and basically confirmed the accuracy of Lizza’s reporting.

We ended up with a stimulus package that was improperly sized and poorly constructed. It did not meet its stated unemployment objective and contained a lot of stuff that won’t create jobs or stimulate the economy. Many economists are now saying the the unemployment rate will average at least 9% through 2012.

So while there may have been some useful expenditures in the stimulus, it’s hard to see how anybody can call it a success overall.

hdhd

October 13th, 2010
8:50 am

But remeber that is not free money. It has to be paid back. The resulting economic improvement it may (or may not) have “stimulated” will never be enough to pay back the full bill. Just not possible. The government via taxation destroys economic wealth.

JKL2

October 13th, 2010
8:51 am

granny- I would posit you don’t understand the very basics of common decency, character and integrity

Let me know where you want the powerpoint sent to. It’s on my desktop as we speak.

The term is paraphrasing. It means it wasn’t an exact quote. It doesn’t make it false as your ability to find something on the internet doesn’t make it true.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
8:51 am

Bob, what IS your fascination with African Men’s genitals? Enquiring minds wanna know………

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October 13th, 2010
8:52 am

granny godzilla
October 13th, 2010
8:46 am

But we did teach some of the African nation how to cleanse their Johnson’s. Can you remember how much of our money was spent on that. And what did they use as a baseline?

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
8:52 am

Van Jones

No baiting I promise.

Never could stand the idea of poking a hook through a living creatures skull.

Did you have problems with the same items I mentioned?

Keep up the good fight!

October 13th, 2010
8:52 am

Yes, the Recovery Act helped a great deal and all those against it are lined up to turn over dirt and take credit whenever there is an opportunity. Was it enough? Probably not because it was weakened with tax cuts and there could have been some follow up had the Party of No not been playing politics at the expense of the middle class.

Eric Pearson

October 13th, 2010
8:52 am

Theory: abstract thought, a plausible or acceptable general principle offered to explain observed facts. I can do that and not offer a “philosophy’, Mysti.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
8:53 am

Reliable Source

New name, old meme

resno2

October 13th, 2010
8:53 am

787 billion helps create 2.7 million jobs to the tune of $290,000/job. I wonder if that cost includes the cost of barrycare and government pension too?

Awful KaNawful

October 13th, 2010
8:55 am

I wish Evel were still around. He would have some harsh words for Mr Obama and his wasteful stimulus lack of planning.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
8:56 am

Gator: As for average voters lacking appreciation for the stimulus and the jobs it has provided, many of them live in an insular bubble which Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and Fox “news” has created for them, and have a distorted, if any, view of the stimulus.

Most of them wouldn’t know “news” if it bit them in their buttocks. They’re addicted to the 10 second MTV-like, mix spin tape, deeply edited “news”; a’la Shirley Sherrod’s “confession”.

Owl

October 13th, 2010
8:57 am

Stimulus money has saved us with a faciltiy opening in November of 2001!
Although I have never agreed with you- it’s always a funny way to spin my mornings.

Keep up the good fight!

October 13th, 2010
8:57 am

My, my….seems the racists are getting an early start today. I suspect we’ll see the continued posts today with similar over the top themes and more false claims about stim programs.

Oh and lets get it out of the way….NOV is coming.

StJ

October 13th, 2010
8:58 am

“…unpopular federal government program that has cut taxes…”

The “tax cuts” consist of a permanent tax hike covered up with a temporary tax cut for TY 2009 and TY 2010. Wait until the temporary tax cuts disappear.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
8:58 am

But we did teach some of the African nation how to cleanse their Johnson’s

Another one fascinated by African’s “johnsons”………hmmmmmmm…………..

Trusslady

October 13th, 2010
8:59 am

Republicans spent 8 years running up the debt, and then telling us “deficits don’t matter”. Now suddenly it matters. When Democrats pointed out that Republican spending would burden our grandchildren, Republicans called it whining. And of course, since the entire economy was built on sand and the inevitable occurred, now it is the Democrats fault. Ah, yes – the uneducated in this state strike yet again!

Mike

October 13th, 2010
8:59 am

Nothing more than the same old Democratic dogma – tax & give it away. A short term fix at best, like a sugar high, but after the buzz is gone, somebody’s got to pay for it. Guess who.

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October 13th, 2010
8:59 am

granny godzilla
October 13th, 2010
8:53 am

Reliable Source

New name, old meme

That was an intelligent comment. Thank you for participating.

joe

October 13th, 2010
9:01 am

Two years ago, I had a lot of debt that was a weight on my shoulders that was almost impossible to deal with…I’ve payed off almost $40,000 over the past two years. Still have a little way to go, but will get there soon enough. Now, the U.S. needs to take the same approach…pay off our debt, NO spending until this debt is at the very least manageable. For two years, I didn’t have a vacation, didn’t eat out much, no concerts, movies out, dates, etc. The U.S. needs to cut all spending and BO just doesn’t see it that way, or get it. Thats why the Dems will lose big in Nov.

ttm

October 13th, 2010
9:01 am

has the publisher of this article actually done any homework at all?

or are they just blinded democrats?

there is no rebound yet, and it will only get worse by real economists standards

Gordon

October 13th, 2010
9:02 am

I doubt the stimulus funds hurt anyone, Cynthia. Who is against free money?

The problem is, it isn’t free. The question isn’t whether it helped or not, it is whether it was worth the extra debt burden which one day must be payed back. I hate to be a party pooper, but someone has to pay the bill.

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October 13th, 2010
9:02 am

Keep up the good fight!
October 13th, 2010
8:57 am

Where are the racists? I don’t hear them, I don’t smell them. Please tell us all how you do that fight. Do you mind if I call you that? It’s very “macho”.

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
9:03 am

Trusslady

October 13th, 2010
8:59 am

Thanks for clearing up that matter, however, we did cover it several blogs ago. You have a nice day.

kayaker 71

October 13th, 2010
9:03 am

More Stimulus pearls for your viewing pleasure…..

The lack of oversight in stimulus spending has been all but unbelievable. Take for instance the following…

726K for developing interactive dance software in NC
1.2M for converting an abandoned train station in NJ to a museum
554K to install new windows in a visitor’s center in Washington that closed in 2007
233K to the Univ of Cal to study why Africans vote
2M for a fire station in Nev. When finished they couldn’t use it because they could not afford to hire firefighters.
1.5M to study fossils in Argentina
389K to study how drinking malt liquor affects Buffalo, NY residents
1M for 3 Univ of Ariz students to study how ants work…. that’s 300K/job
4.4M to NC schools to hire math and literacy coaches to teach math and literacy teachers how to teach math and literacy. That’s 64 people paid at the rate of 70K each.
Above formentioned study on how to teach African men to wash genitals following sex.

There are many more. I got tired of reading them. And now CT wants to toot Bozo’s horn about how great a stimulus provider that he is by pointing out one Georgia project that the town could have done without. These “shovel ready” projects could have done better shoveling something else and I am sure that I do not have to amplify on that.

Van Jones

October 13th, 2010
9:04 am

Granny, yes… sort of. I don’t partucularly like the idea of attacking a country that didn’t attack us but I’m not niave enough to assume a posess the same amount of info that was used to make that decision.
Regarding your other items, in general I think every issue (and its accompanying taxation) should be made at the most local level possible. And I think it is entirely possible for a local, county or even state school board to determine what to teach.
And, if no baiting, what was your point of linking my dissatisfaction to Obama’s inauguation date?

Bob

October 13th, 2010
9:04 am

debbiedoright, how many jobs have repubs created since ‘07 ? Pelosi and reid took over in ‘07, just about the time the spending increased dramatically.

ttm

October 13th, 2010
9:06 am

to Trusslady October 13th, 2010 8:59 am

Republicans spent 8 years running up the debt”

you really need to do some of your own research and find where that debt was run up at, but you won’t your too lazy and depend on some left wing media source to do your work for you. I really get a kick out of comments like yours!

we spend more on welfare than we did the wars dummy!

HDB

October 13th, 2010
9:06 am

StJ

October 13th, 2010
8:58 am
“Wait until the temporary tax cuts disappear.”

Hope you know where to lay blame for this — REPUBLICANS!! If they were so interested in making tax cuts permanent….why dod the GOP use reconciliation to pass them…knowing that there’s a 10-YEAR TIME LIMIT??

barking frog

October 13th, 2010
9:06 am

Unfortunately the stimulus was like ‘trickling’ on a house fire.

are there no prisons; are there no workhouses?

October 13th, 2010
9:07 am

get to work you time stealing weasles.

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October 13th, 2010
9:07 am

233K to the Univ of Cal to study why Africans vote

Because their Johnson’s are clean.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
9:08 am

Van Jones

Curiousity.

A desire to understand where you are coming from.

A hope that we can find common ground.

And sadly, a wealth of experience with folks, unlike you, who didn’t give a rats patootie about the deficit prior to that date but spout
hypocriticly about it ever since. Again, unlike you.

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“That was an intelligent comment. Thank you for participating”

Yes it was, thank you.

ken R

October 13th, 2010
9:09 am

If you really want to see who benefited from the STIMULUS go see the movie ” inside job ” Tucker just may change her mind.

It shows all the crooks in all their glory, this is why the average person was against it.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
9:10 am

So Bob let me get this straight, when a dem points out that the deficit started WAY before Obama took office, repubs say “That was yesterday — it’s Obama’s problem now”. Basically saying, Obama has to own it. No excuses. However, when you guys then come back with this gem:

“Pelosi and reid took over in ‘07, just about the time the spending increased dramatically.

What happened to the “That was yesterday…..” speech? Does it only apply to repubs when they want to skirt responsibility? Just asking……..

HDB

October 13th, 2010
9:10 am

ttm

October 13th, 2010
9:06 am
to Trusslady October 13th, 2010 8:59 am

Republicans spent 8 years running up the debt”

you really need to do some of your own research and find where that debt was run up at, but you won’t your too lazy and depend on some left wing media source to do your work for you.

Did the research….note that the debt began its high speed run in the REAGAN YEARS! The deficit QUADRUPLED in Reagan’s first year…and we’ve been in waarp drive ever since! During the Clinton years, there was motivation to pay down the debt…but GWB got the nation into two wars that was kept OFF THE BOOKS!!

Do you remember??

Bob

October 13th, 2010
9:11 am

A quote from Obo in the New York Times “In the magazine article, Mr. Obama reflects on his presidency, admitting that he let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend Democrat,” realized too late that “there’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects”
No such thing as shovel ready projects ? That term was used over and over by the lefties because they heard Obo and his admin say it, I bet Cynthia used “shovel ready” many times. Now the great one says that their is no such thing.

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October 13th, 2010
9:11 am

Granny, one last thing, mememememememememememememememememememememememe

HDB

October 13th, 2010
9:12 am

barking frog

October 13th, 2010
9:06 am
Unfortunately the stimulus was like ‘trickling’ on a house fire.

“Trickle-down” — really meaning pi$$ed-on…..right??

Bob

October 13th, 2010
9:14 am

Debbie, you asked how many jobs were created and I responded, now you are asking about the deficit. Yes, we have had a deficit for many years going back to a dem congress that first gave us one, that has nothing to do with how many jobs were created by repubs in ‘07. How many jobs have dems created since ‘07 ?

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October 13th, 2010
9:14 am

As Nov 2 draws closer I see the dems on this blog becoming more hostile, accusatory and making little or no sense. Gee just like on the TeeVee.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
9:15 am

So, Debbie, what would have people do, ignore the “foreign” investments made under the “stimulus?” Under this “stimulus,” and under the much lover pork of politicians, we paid for a study of Chinese prostitutes, African post-coital cleansing, a study of why Africans vote, a scultpure of a bus, signs proclaiming work being done under the “stimulus’ (nearly $10 million alone on this one), a civility conference, expansion of beer brewing in Michigan, acupuncture for horses, sidewalks that are not ADA compliant, a parachute museum, a study of how ants work, and payment to teach teachers how to teach.

barking frog

October 13th, 2010
9:16 am

When the tax credit for home purchases was terminated,
new home sales dropped more than 20%. Why stop
the only successful program under the stimulus?

ken R

October 13th, 2010
9:16 am

I totally agree with Nancy Pelosi, pass everything first so we can see what’s in it.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
9:17 am

ttm: you really need to do some of your own research and find where that debt was run up at

I’ll play…..a) cutting taxes b) cutting taxes in the time of war with no way to pay for said war c) having two wars with no way to pay for them d) borrowing from China–extensively e) adding to government

HDB: Do you remember??

Nope. I think they all have A.D.D. They try really hard, but everytime a shiny object crosses their paths, they quickly forget what the heck just happened 10 seconds ago. When they have to come back to the subject at hand, they automatically start drooling then blame Obama.

conservative dawg

October 13th, 2010
9:17 am

never understood why some people will not admit when their political party is not doing the right thing. I for one had no problem speaking against Bush when the first stimulus came out. Thought it was a bad idea then and still do. Did I turn my check back in? No, I stuck it in the bank where it still is today.

barking frog

October 13th, 2010
9:18 am

HDB 9:12 You are certainly more colorfully expressive.

Bob

October 13th, 2010
9:19 am

HDB, does the exec introduce spending bills or does the house ? The house and senate were run by O’Neal and Mitchell, both dems, during Reagans term. They also ran things under Carter and had a deficit then also. Why don’t lefties understand that Reagan could could sign off or veto spending bills introduced by dems. The spending during reagan was done under the democrat party that had the power to cut spending in half. What happened under Reagan was that congress and Reagan agreed to the spending, dems bragged about Reagans budget being dead on arrival every year, and wrote their own.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
9:20 am

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
9:20 am

I think Obama used general elections as the model for his stimulus plan. Think about it, Reid and Angle will collectively spend over $30 million in Nevada to secure a job that pays, what, $200K per year? Um, yeah, sounds like a good return on investment to me. :roll:

Bob

October 13th, 2010
9:21 am

Debbie, how many jobs did dems create since ‘07 ? you say we have a 10 second memory but it seems you can’t respond.

USMC DAWG

October 13th, 2010
9:21 am

Government can create a job, BUT Government does NOT create wealth.

The Private Sector creates wealth.

The Government creating jobs is a Ponzi scheme that cannot support itself.

Cynthia, if you want socialism or communism, go to N. Korea, etc…. Oh yeah, they don’t have Starbucks.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
9:24 am

“Obama: ‘There’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects’… ”

Maybe so, but a shovel sure was needed to peddle his agenda.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
9:25 am

The socialism train seems to be running a wee be late today.

Too funny.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
9:25 am

Perhaps between now and Nov 4 the annointed one will lay out some grand speech/scheme that will stimulate the voters to give him another chance, to not give up so easily, to fight the good fight.

Lets hope his teleprompte doesnt go on the blink.

Chin Long Chee

October 13th, 2010
9:28 am

Dee housing tsunami appwoach like godzirra stomp fru Tokyo. Run for hill, u not see nuffeen yet.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
9:28 am

Cynthia Is Sexy!!
October 13th, 2010
9:25 am

I heard where Obama wanted to go to Chile and go down into the mine to speak with the miners. The plans were scrapped when they couldn’t figure out a way to lower the teleprompters into the mine so he could address them. :lol:

Rob

October 13th, 2010
9:28 am

Will We Be Paying for the ‘Stimulus’ for Years to Come? You Bet!!

RELIABLE SOURCE

October 13th, 2010
9:29 am

They are going to spend 50 billion on infrastructure. To catch us up with our European neighbors.Light rail, inter and intra city commuters trains, sky rides and anything else that will have little or no return on the dollar.Those systems won’t work in the US were too big as in large it would help certain areas, but let them pay for it. We are not Europe and don’t want to be like Europe.

The White Devils You Say!

October 13th, 2010
9:29 am

Ms. Tucker – you are a sychophant. You pick out a few very OVERPRICED projects which were NOT needed and then ignore the facts that Georgia’s unemployment is way above the national average!!! You are either a sychophant, or you are just stupid. Tough choice, that.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
9:31 am

Bob
October 13th, 2010
9:19 am

Lest YOU forget: Under Carter, the deficit stayed FLAT for his four year term, averaging $45B! Much of the R&D in military spending that Reagan gets credit for was actually BEGUN under Carter! Reagan QUADRUPLED the deficit in his first year….then passed a TAX INCREASE!! Granted, appropriations begin in the House, but the President sets a TEMPLATE when he submits his budget for the fiscal year!! Reagan’s budgets didn’t address the shortfalls required in domestic spending; Reagan’s budget proposals amplified military spending while ignoring domestic requirements……

I LIVED through that era…..

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you......

October 13th, 2010
9:34 am

OMG yet another waste of taxpayer money……….no long term jobs created….Thanks a pantload Obama. You da man…….PLEASE get Nov. 2 here QUICK!!!!

Keep up the good fight!

October 13th, 2010
9:34 am

Granny, I see the socialism train is filled today with the wingnuts, limp leg silly persons, the Reliable racist and teleprompter nonsense and as we get closer to the election they keep seeing the proven weakness of their claims, so they troll with complete ignorance that their candidates are losing ground and would have already lost if it were for their foreign donors.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
9:35 am

Leg…LOL!!!

This inner city light rail BS is just that. These systems they have around some other major US cities are just another bottomless money pit, like Marta.

James

October 13th, 2010
9:36 am

One could blow torch a roach and declare success. A President could land on an aircraft carrier and declare victory. $2 million/job is an absolute joke. The Pres and VP should do what is best for the country and step aside and let Hillary finish the term. The Pres can then go to his highest and best use- run the DNC, have silly books written about himself, and be on Comedy Central and make fun of the 70% of Americans who know he is not capable of running the country (see Jimmy Carter)

Jesse Jackson has a scheme for you......

October 13th, 2010
9:36 am

Come on NOV. 2…….we will finally STOP the socialism train on the tracks….and re-route it back to Chicago where it belongs…….

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
9:37 am

Obama policies = Obamanure

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
9:37 am

And now granny begins talking to herself. Perhaps some stimulus money might be used to afford her a rubber room.

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
9:37 am

101ST!!!

YES!

Paul

October 13th, 2010
9:41 am

This is being presented, as so may of these topics are, as an either/or situation. Either it worked or it didn’t. Either it was good or it wasn’t.

Couple of points. First, if we look back at the initial proposals we see the Republican proposal was quite close to Pres Obama’s tax cut and spending amounts (yes, Pres Obama recommended tax cuts as a stimulus). Congressional Democrats then took the proposals and went into Santa Claus mode.

It’s not an either/or – it’s the apparent amount, far in excess of what was needed, that has many people concerned.

It’s like finding a malnourished person and feeding them 6,000 calories a day, many from fat and sugar. Did the person need more calories to get healthy? Yes. Did they need that many, from those sources? No. Will the patient recover? Yes. Was there a lot of waste in the treatment? Yup.

At what cost?

October 13th, 2010
9:42 am

Economists have used various models (historic, whether based in any fact, who knows) to project how many jobs have been created by spending of stimulus money. Let’s say the the 1.5% unemployment figure is right…that’s perhaps 2 million jobs. If the portion of the stimulus total spent was $300 billion for those jobs, that $150 K per job (that’s inefficient). If looked at from the entire $787 billion, that’s $390,000 per job…that grossly inefficient.
Anyone can spend money and create jobs, the question is whether it is better done via the government or someone else. No one can argue people were employed as a result of stimulus, but at those levels per job, why not just give the people more unemployment insurance or assistance? Much cheaper for everyone else who pays the bills (debt, taxes, future interest, etc.).

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
9:44 am

At what cost. Sounds logical but our liberal friends would deem it a “far-fetched lie.” So much for public education…

Monir Edwan

October 13th, 2010
9:45 am

Keep up the good fight- hey buzz me in Palestine dude. I didn’t know foreign donations were illegal.

Publius

October 13th, 2010
9:47 am

Conservatives underestimate the risk and effects of another major Depression. Serious depressions used to occur like clock-work every 20 years. Gov’t investments and Fed. Reserve policy has moderated those wild swings.

The simple fact that unemployment levelled off should be celebrated. An economy can start to reach a tipping point and spiral downward. The stimulus funds successfully put the brakes on that. Now it’s time for the private market that conservatives tout to start creating those jobs — i.e. banks lend and corporations invest the cash they are sitting on.

pat

October 13th, 2010
9:48 am

Well the intelligence level hasn’t increased any…
A rehab center and 200 construction jobs likely to be staffed by illegals is proof that the stimulus worked? You cannot spin crap in to gold like obama can.
The Georgia economy sucks, unemployment is over 10% other than signs signaling that already on-going projects are now being paid for by the ARRA, it hasn’t done really anything.

I know your job is to get a lot of posts on your blog so you right dumb stuff to get people riled up, but really how can you really take yourself seriously?

Gm

October 13th, 2010
9:48 am

Please can some conservative answer this question? Bush lost 5 million jobs under his administration, what did he do to stimpulate this economy ?

Bob

October 13th, 2010
9:50 am

Granny 8:27, why was my comment over the top ? Have you not heard of the 800k spent on this genital washing or should I just not mention it ?
What did that spending stimulate ?

Sean

October 13th, 2010
9:52 am

In the last line…
“The new rehab center, which is expected to open in November 2001″

Do you mean November 2010? Otherwise… this rehab center was open for 9 years already.

RGB

October 13th, 2010
9:52 am

As you know, when the government spends one tax dollar the economic benefit is about $0.64 whereas when the private sector (aka taxpayers) keeps the dollar the multiplier is about 1.64. In other words the dollar produces a benefit of $1.64.

So when you claim “the stimulus helped Georgia” that may technically be true–but we (and successive generations) will pay a price that turns off the economic engine of this country.

Is party allegiance so important that you have to always spin everything? These days more people are interested in the truth.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
9:53 am

Keep up the good fight!
October 13th, 2010
9:34 am

“teleprompter nonsense”

So Walter Mondale is part of the conservative “nonsense”?

Grumpy

October 13th, 2010
9:53 am

And where will the money come from to operate this new, larger facility in the midst of a recession? Is more stimulus headed our way?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
9:54 am

Gm
October 13th, 2010
9:48 am

I give up. What DID Bush do to “stimplulate” the economy? :lol:

stw

October 13th, 2010
9:55 am

CT: How fortunate Georgia is to have someone as knowledgeable, beautiful, honest, and gullible as you to lead us out of the darkness and over the cliff..

Monir Edwan

October 13th, 2010
9:55 am

KUTHGF- OMG dude- I found this- what are your thoughts? The Obama campaign received a substantial amount of money from countries that have an interest in seeing a weak American President: $366,708.22 from China, $25,259.00 from the United Arab Emirates, $7,062.60 from Russia, and $6,716.28 from Saudi Arabia. Obama also took in $6,350.00 from Indonesia, $5,000.00 from Kenya, and $1,750.00 from Egypt

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
9:58 am

Temp jobs that cost millions.

Democrats:

Hurting millions to help dozens.

dawg

October 13th, 2010
9:58 am

CYNTHIA: Haven’t heard you say anything about the proposed 1% tax on everything proposed by the W/H to pay for the debt. Of course, the vote would be after the elections and during the lame duch session so those defeated dems could once again do the Messiah’s bidding with no recourse..

Mr MBA

October 13th, 2010
9:58 am

“Now it’s time for the private market that conservatives tout to start creating those jobs — i.e. banks lend and corporations invest the cash they are sitting on.”

And when the liberals take the hand-cuffs off then big business will probably do just that.

Bob

October 13th, 2010
9:59 am

GM, Bush did not stimulate anything and he was no conservative. He is gone now, move on. I will point out that after Pelosi took over, spending skyrocketed and Bush was their best friend when Bush wanted the bailout.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
9:59 am

pats back

i guess she changed her mind about this blog being worthless!

whooppee

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
10:00 am

Wow, only $5k from Kenya. You would think that his home country would’ve given more. Hey, I didn’t say it. Michelle Obama stated in 2008, “When we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test.”

stw

October 13th, 2010
10:01 am

FLASH: Braves out of playoffs because of Bush…

kayaker 71

October 13th, 2010
10:01 am

Edwan,

In addition to the 15.9M that Bozo got from BP. The last I heard, that is a fairly large energy company based in the UK.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
10:01 am

Keep

I know. I keep seeing the same old silliness.

We could do the right wing parts in this play without them altogether.

Just insure socialism, teleprompter, community activist etc appear in each post.

Voila!

You righties can retire. We can take it from here.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:02 am

stw
October 13th, 2010
10:01 am

That Bush Conrad guy really did do us in, didn’t he? :cool:

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:03 am

granny godzilla
October 13th, 2010
10:01 am

If the righties retire then you lefties wouldn’t have anyone to tax to pay for your entitlement programs.

Take Back the USA

October 13th, 2010
10:03 am

Mantra for All – “REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER”…

20 Dayzzz till we can tell Obummer & his sheep to shove it where the sun doesn’t shine!!

CT & Her Lib sheep on this thread – a question to you… Just what persons running for re- election are running on the podium of:

I Voted for the ’stimlus’ plan??
I Voted for OBummer’s Health Care reform (Deform)?

If you name any – You are a liar.. There are NONE!!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:04 am

granny godzilla
October 13th, 2010
10:01 am

Oh yeah, when did Walter Mondale become a “rightie”?

Russ555

October 13th, 2010
10:07 am

It’s past time to consider where we would be without the stimulus. Much worse off. It’s easy to lookk at where we are and say things are bad, therefore the stimulus didn’t work. That’s a pretty simplistic way to think. We can do better than that.

Al Gore

October 13th, 2010
10:08 am

When is the Barry Manilow – All the Best CD scheduled for release?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:08 am

Take Back the USA
October 13th, 2010
10:03 am

Be careful, though, the dems could make it the “disaster in December” or “juked in January”. If you want to she the absolute worst in political shenanigans, just see what the dems will try between the November election and January transition.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
10:09 am

Seems my comment is in “moderation” don’t know why so I’ll break it up and start over.

Bob: Debbie, you asked how many jobs were created and I responded

You responded by blaming Dems — but you never answered the question which was, “How many jobs have the repubs created?” Still waiting….

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:10 am

Update – 13 miners out. Things are moving quickly.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
10:10 am

Bob: now you are asking about the deficit.

Wasnt asking just stated a fact and an observation.

Yes, we have had a deficit for many years going back to a dem congress that first gave us one

Before the dems took over WHO was in control of the HOUSE, the SENATE and the Presidency? (this is a 10 point question, let’s see if you can answer this one)……(the jeopardy theme song is playing in the background……..stil waiting…….)

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
10:11 am

Bob: that has nothing to do with how many jobs were created by repubs in ‘07

Well then why won’t you answer the question then? HOW MANY were create by the Repubs Before, During and AFTER 2007 while they repubs held the HOUSE, SENATE and Presidency?

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
10:12 am

we spend more on welfare than we did the wars dummy!

And the fact that we spent any money at all invading a country that did not attack us is the point that went whooshing over your head.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:13 am

DebbieDoRight
October 13th, 2010
10:11 am

Better check your facts. The repubs did not control congress after 2007.

The Thin Guy

October 13th, 2010
10:13 am

I’ve received more help from Preparation H. You don’t have to be an economist to understand that if the government keeps printing money and dropping it from the sky that what ever money you have has less purchasing power. Ten years from now when a cheeseburger and a cup of coffee cost $ 50 maybe the lesson will settle in. But CT will find a way to blame it on those rascally republicans.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
10:14 am

Better check your facts. The repubs did not control congress after 2007

Where did I say that?

ctucker

October 13th, 2010
10:15 am

Jack@8:11, What is a “make do” job?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:15 am

DebbieDoRight
October 13th, 2010
10:14 am

Good grief, reread your 10:11

ctucker

October 13th, 2010
10:16 am

Good Grief@8:19, If jobs are created by the signage, what difference does it make?Somebody has to manufacture the signs.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:16 am

ctucker
October 13th, 2010
10:15 am

Ooooh, ooooh, let me answer. The best example of a “make do” job right now in our current POTUS.

ctucker

October 13th, 2010
10:17 am

Bob@8:25, The building needed to be built. And what the hell are you talking about with “African men”?

ctucker

October 13th, 2010
10:19 am

So Poor Boy @8:50, you are arguing that the stimulus bill should have been larger? A trillion?

ctucker

October 13th, 2010
10:20 am

ttm@9:)1, Has the writer of this comment actually read the article?

itpdude

October 13th, 2010
10:20 am

Let’s get this straight: The Republicans say they love American, but they hate Americans. The word of Americans being helped by the stimulus generally makes a Republican bristle under the guise of fiscal responsibility.

Of course, the GOP consistently manages to run up the debt, so the whole “fiscal responsibility” thing rings hollow.

The argument that the GOP simply hates Americans (yet claims to love America) looks stronger and stronger. . . .

Rafe Hollister

October 13th, 2010
10:21 am

Sin-thee: You are right the stimulus did help Georgia, so did Go Fish Georgia. When is the column on Go Fish GA going to be published?

I built a barn last year, that helped too. Pictures available on request.

Hillary

October 13th, 2010
10:22 am

Cynthia -

Your editorials are nothing but a regurgitation of the Democratic talking point memos. Do you honestly believe what your write?

Hil

ohboyohboy

October 13th, 2010
10:24 am

When your baseline for measuring success is as low as a liberal entitlement, wealth redistribution junkie like Ms. Tucker, what do you expect?

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
10:24 am

itpdude. Maybe they just hate you.

jwr

October 13th, 2010
10:24 am

Corey, Democrats *do* get elected in Georgia. It’s only the Democrats running for statewide office who screwed over education and screwed with the flag that are unelectable. The GOP could’ve run a 3-legged dog with the clap against Barnes in 2002 and beaten him, and they could beat him with that same dog in 2010. Democrats were fools to elect him in the primary, and we’re going to pay for it with 4 to 8 years of a greasy, corrupt businessman in the governor’s mansion.

James

October 13th, 2010
10:24 am

someone has to make the signage? You are kidding, correct? Should we also “stimulate the need to study exotic overseas ants” oh yeah we did that. Are we really that bad in economics to not know the difference between stimulating long term business and therefore supply and demand versus dropping $ bills out of a helicoptor? What a mess and what a joke.

college is a five year party with uncle stupid paying the bills

October 13th, 2010
10:24 am

Roy Barnes = Barrak Obama

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
10:25 am

Yep, the state of Georgia, eagerly sucking on the socialist teat.

Of the 24 states won by McCain in the last election, 22 of them receive more federal money than they pay in.

Typical neo-con parasites. (Hat tip Lil’ BB)

They are opposed to socialsim, unless it benefits them…

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
10:25 am

Ok Whine take out the AFTER 2007 and change it to “after 2007 when they still had a chance to help Americans but chose not to.” Thanks!

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
10:26 am

GG: So, Debbie, what would have people do, ignore the “foreign” investments made under the “stimulus?” Under this “stimulus,” and under the much lover pork of politicians, we paid for a study of Chinese prostitutes, African post-coital cleansing, a study of why Africans vote, a scultpure of a …..blah,blah,blah…..

GG you speak w/forked tongue. AKA – LYING through your teeth. It’s easy to find what was spent on in the stimulus, all you have to do is go on the government’s website, (which most of your blogging mates have a problem doing, so they just take your word for it), and find that crap you were spouting was just, well, crap. But I guess Hitler was right, if you keep saying it over and over, show them some bright and shiny objects, and you’ll find someone with A.D.D. (you and your mates), who’ll believe it. Mainly ’cause they’re too lazy to look it up for themselves. Sad. But true.

Randy Randolph

October 13th, 2010
10:27 am

Borrowing money on the backs of every American to spend on rehab projects which could have been managed better in the private sector is hardly a miracle but likely unconstitutional and socialistic. Honestly isn’t there an old empty Walmart or Piggley Wiggley that could have been leased and performed the same function.

Mr Right

October 13th, 2010
10:28 am

I live in the third poorest county in Ga and the last time I checked we didn’t receive one dime of stimul

Liberal changing to conservative

October 13th, 2010
10:28 am

Ms. Tucker

Seems you are careless in your facts or just do a poor job of checking your writing. You state
“The new rehab center, which is expected to open in November 2001, will include a dormitory, cafeteria and classrooms,” I know you liberals think you can work miracles but how can you open this new center by NOVEMBER 2001? I know you would like to push back time in live in the past but even the powerless person we call the President,can accomplish this task. Check your facts an be more careful. This is just typical of your garbage and spin

ctucker

October 13th, 2010
10:32 am

Liberal changing@10:28, That’s a typo. Thanks for calling my attention to it. I’ll correct it

Kevin

October 13th, 2010
10:33 am

Cynthia, of course your going to say the stimulas works, anything Obama does, your going to say it works. When Obama put two Muslems in the defense department to help run our national secruity, you more then likely said, “I feel so much safer now”. Keep printing your garbage as Nov. elections get closer.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
10:34 am

ME:The Obama campaign received a substantial amount of money from countries that have an interest in seeing a weak American President: $366,708.22 from China, $25,259.00 from the United Arab Emirates, $7,062.60 from Russia, and $6,716.28 from Saudi Arabia. Obama also took in $6,350.00 from Indonesia, $5,000.00 from Kenya, and $1,750.00 from Egypt

Please provide me a link so i may read your credible information myself. Thanks!

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
10:35 am

CT – “Good Grief@8:19, If jobs are created by the signage, what difference does it make?Somebody has to manufacture the signs.”

Have you ever worked in the sign industry, because I actually have. To make one sign the size of a road sign, costs roughly $400 for materials and another $100 for labor. It takes about four total hours to perform the labor, and then maybe an hour to go out and set up the sign and posts. Does liberal math actually state that $500 = $100,000? Of course, under lib-math since Obama took office, hiring someone, firing them, re-hiring them, firing them again, and then re-hiring them counts as three jobs created. Nice spin.

Mr Right

October 13th, 2010
10:35 am

itpdude

October 13th, 2010
10:20 am

I think it’s very likely you that’s doing the hating! ( Republicans )While we may not like a persons policies we don’t need to stoop so low as to accuse them of hating Americans.

Paddy O

October 13th, 2010
10:35 am

So, you highlight a $10 million center out of 787 BILLION dollar plan – and that you consider a success? No wonder Africa such a crap hole. Please tell us the amount of the 787 billion which was a tax reduction, please? The 10 million is .0000013 of the whole stimulus – and as liberal experts say, it lowered unemployment by 1.5%, that is not worth the investment. PLus, you need to factor in the cost of that borrowed money to know the total cost. Finally, Obama did the same false promises as Bush, when he invaded Iraq for WMD, Obama promised with the stimulus that unemployment would not go above 8% – this was the goal, and it horribly failed.

jwr

October 13th, 2010
10:36 am

Cynthia, the problem with the ARRA isn’t the 200 construction jobs it created, but the other jobs from here to Spokane it saved that would’ve been justifiably lost, because the economy itself can’t support them. The dollars that saved those jobs didn’t miracle themselves out of thin air, and those temporary jobs aren’t going to provide a lasting benefit…they are 1-year versions of the census jobs.

A better stimulous would’ve been creating an environment which would return confidence to the private sector. Note I did not say “profits”, I said “confidence”. A confident private sector would put people back to work in long term careers, not short term government-finded band-aids.

The question you should be asking is why isn’t Obama inspiring confidence in the private sector…not why Georgians aren’t drinking the Obama kool-aid.

barking frog

October 13th, 2010
10:36 am

Typo transitions to talking points amaze me.

Paddy O

October 13th, 2010
10:36 am

NOt a dime came to Haralson County, GA either.

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

October 13th, 2010
10:37 am

I KNOW THOSE REDNECK RURAL WHITES THAT DONT HAVE JOBS,I BETCHA THEY ACCEPT OBAMA WELFARE AND FOODSTAMPS!

P.S. 41 MILLION AMERICANS ARE ON WELFARE(WHOLE BUNCH OF RURAL POOR WHITES IN THAT 41 MILLION)!

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
10:38 am

OK I get it now, you can’t post any links to this blog. Well, I guess ya’ll are just gonna have to take my word that whatever I say is the truth, the whole truth, and the honest to god truth. You know, like how ya’ll do to Limbaugh, Cheney, and Beck.

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

October 13th, 2010
10:39 am

41 MILLION ON WELFARE,HOW DID THOSE BUSH 8 YEARS OF TAXCUTS WORKOUT?

GOP MEANS GOLD OIL PIMPS

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
10:41 am

Kevin: When Obama put two Muslems in the defense department to help run our national secruity, you more then likely said, “I feel so much safer now”.

Did you feel the same way when the Bush Admin gave port security contracts to a Muslim ran security firm? Just asking…..

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
10:41 am

I’ve seen some pretty damning evidence that the majority of Obama’s stimulus spending is going to heavily-democratic leaning areas, counties, and states. On the other hand, that evidence can be spun six ways from Sunday.

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

October 13th, 2010
10:44 am

OBAMA IS PUTTING FOOD ON THE TABLE FOR THE RURAL POOR FOLKS,SINCE THE MALES VOTED FOR 8 YEARS OF BUSH TAXCUTS,THE FEMALES ARE HAVING TO APPLY FOR WELFARE AND FOODSTAMPS,BECAUSE BUSH AND CREW SENT AMERICAN JOBS TO MEXICO AND INDIA!

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
10:44 am

“Cynthia, of course your going to say the stimulas (sic) works, anything Obama does, your going to say it works.”

Redact to read:

Notwithstanding that you offered clear, compelling, specific evidence that this Georgia community benefited economically, and in this instance the stimulus clearly work for Georgians, I’m going to say it did not. Though I’ll offer zero examples, data, evidence or facts to support the claim.

Bill from Cobb

October 13th, 2010
10:44 am

I don’t know if it worked because I haven’t been to the projects to see.

left wing

October 13th, 2010
10:44 am

Your title should have said ‘Did the stimulus plan help Georgia? You bet cha

Kevin

October 13th, 2010
10:47 am

Cynthia, government programs, no matter how they are disguised to fool the voters, will not help the economy long term, when small business owners know that they are the ones that are going to have to foot the bill. People with money are scared of Obama, “Wealh Redistrubution”, until that changes alot of people will remain out of work. Alot of people work for “wealthy”, that Obama is out to punish.

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

October 13th, 2010
10:47 am

KEVIN OBAMA HAS KEPT US SAFE EVERY SINCE HE’S BEEN IN OFFICE,BUT WE CANT SAY THAT ABOUT BUSH!

NOTICE THAT EVERY SINCE OBAMA BEEN IN OFFICE,WE HAVE’NT HAD NOT ONE HIGH TERROR THREAT!

YOU REDNECKS NEED TO THANK POTUS OBAMA FOR KEEPING AMERICA SAFE AND TERRORIST FREE,GOD BLESS AMERICA!

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

October 13th, 2010
10:48 am

AND IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE WAY OBAMA IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY,THEN GET OUT!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:49 am

Hillary
October 13th, 2010
10:22 am

Your question should ususaly be phrased like thiss – “Do you honestly believe what your cut and paste?”

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
10:49 am

“NOTICE THAT EVERY SINCE OBAMA BEEN IN OFFICE,WE HAVE’NT HAD NOT ONE HIGH TERROR THREAT!”

Well we havent heard of any…lets put it that way.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
10:49 am

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB
October 13th, 2010
10:47 am

“Kevin Obama”?

BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Saint Simons

October 13th, 2010
10:50 am

Wow you found one project in a trillion dollars, and it took you 18 months to point it out. Bad plan, bad president, suck it up Dems and Cynthia:)

Independent J

October 13th, 2010
10:51 am

Debbie, since 2007 dems have been in control….we can quit blaming 1 man for this debacle, we all know its on both sides….admission is the first step

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
10:51 am

Umm… CYNT U, do you think that might be because Obama has toured the globe apologizing for America and bowing to foreign leaders? We had terror attacks under Clinton, and Bush 43, it happens. You’ll note, though, that after 9-11-01, (to use your logic) Bush kept us safe, and we didn’t have a terror attack for seven years.

If you really want to thank someone for keeping you safe, thank the intelligence community and the soldiers who put their lvies on the line so you can make your inane statements.

Grumpy

October 13th, 2010
10:51 am

Ms. Tucker said “Somebody has to make the signs”

This would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. The signs were not necessary. It was a waste of money that you have no problem with because it “created jobs”.

Using this line of logic let’s just pay one group of people to dig holes and another group to fill them in. That is about as necessary as those signs were.

Rickster

October 13th, 2010
10:55 am

Never mind the fact that all 800+ billion was borrowed, and will eventually have to be repaid by our children, grandchildren & great grandchildren.

That’s no “miracle.” And it’s going to hurt us far more than it will ever help.

asdf

October 13th, 2010
10:56 am

You forgot to add about many “stimulus” programs, to improve roadways and bridges. These multi million dollar projects are like lottery winnings to the owners of the companies, yet only trickle down to the $8/hour rank and file employees. Why do they always enrich paving companies and their employees? Why not give big contracts to photographers, or drapery companies? They hire people, too. Yet it’s always the bridge and road companies.

Joe

October 13th, 2010
10:56 am

Cindy obviously can’t debate this issue so I guess i’m blocked… LOL….

Independent J

October 13th, 2010
10:59 am

CYNT!! ANGER ISSUES? i think most americans dont wanna be in the handouts line, and when left with nothing, survival is #1…and not all white people are rednecks…
Bush kept us safe as well….unless your counting 911…he was in office 8 months..you can thank the lackadaisical Dems for cutting our Intelligence budget… it wasnt like 911 plot was a weekend thought process the terrorist just through together . They knew how weak our security was throughout the clinton years.

Again, disagreeing with you is ok , right? i mean if we all thought like you…well! ya know the rest ….

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
11:00 am

Leg Lamp, most people are unaware of Barack Obama’s slightly less well known brother, Kevin Obama. Kevin has tried to lead a quiet life in central Iowa, but rumor is, now that CYNT U has revealed him, Kevin is planning to move.

RELIABLE SOURCE

October 13th, 2010
11:02 am

Granny, Kam, Fight, hiding?

markie mark

October 13th, 2010
11:03 am

Can anyone provide the date of the Times Square terrorist attack? It might have been failed, but it was still an attack, CYNT…..

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
11:05 am

RELIABLE – is it possible the Granny, Kam, and Fight are the same person? We’ll need the Scooby gang to figure this one out.

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
11:06 am

I think granny is taking her lunch break…Peanut Butter and Spam on toasted White bread.

David S

October 13th, 2010
11:06 am

Did te stimulus create even more inflation that further stole from all americans by further reducing the value of their savings and the dollars they spend on survival – YOU BET. Did the stimulus simply create make-work projects for folks that were undeserving of the money stolen from the rest of america – YOU BET. I could go on and on.

Cynthia, you continue to be one of the most economically ignorant people in journalism. It would only take a quick visit to www(dot)Mises(dot)org for you and every other economically ignorant one of your readers to find out how the system actually works.

James Hoffa

October 13th, 2010
11:06 am

Some one explain to me why Washington constantly touts the theory that in order for the Recession to end, consumer confidence and spending must increase. Yet, when it comes time to hand out the BIG checks, the consumer is amazingly never a recipient. From my calculations, there is a signifigant amount of money left in the stimulus package. How bout this. Give it to the consumers this time and see what happens. Seriously, it couldn’t be any worse.

mike

October 13th, 2010
11:11 am

It does not make a difference to these folks. I say vote those repubtards back in office. When they get through stroking the people who voted them in, maybe they will realize what is going on. When you cannot think for yourself and you listen to folks who basically have done nothing for this country other than sell their books to people, this is what we get.

Shawny

October 13th, 2010
11:12 am

For each success story regarding the stimulus, and this is ONE, there are many others that are simply a waste of our money.
A waste. No value, only expense.

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
11:15 am

The following is very hard to refute; and even though BHO’s policies did arguably prevent another Great Depression, the most fiscally irresponsible group around – as irrefutably proven by their 30 year GOP track record of horrific results – blames everybody but themselves.

Last week’s employment report served to reinforce the utter bankruptcy of Republican economic policy — and the absolute necessity of remembering the lessons of the last century of economic history.

The private sector job market is slowly stumbling out of the economic ditch into which it was steered by the policies of the Bush Administration.

The Republicans have traditionally offered four major elixirs as their prescriptions for economic growth:

1) Cut taxes — especially for the wealthy.

2). Cut government spending.

3). Cut back on the regulation of corporate behavior.

4). Use monetary, instead of fiscal, policy to increase the money supply and lower interest rates.

In other words, every one of the four major Republican prescriptions for economic growth has demonstrated itself to be ineffective — or downright poisonous — in the real world of today’s real economy.

Tech Man

October 13th, 2010
11:17 am

From “The Morning Bell at Heritage.org”

The Oil Drilling Moratorium Doesn’t End Till the Permits Begin
The White House got the headlines they wanted today. The Washington Post: U.S Lifts Ban on Deep-Water Drilling. The Los Angeles Times: U.S. Lifts Moratorium on Deep-Water Drilling in Gulf of Mexico. The New York Times: White House Lifts Ban on Deepwater Drilling. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar told reporters on a conference call yesterday: “We are open for business.” Don’t believe the White House or Salazar for a second. While yesterday’s announcement does remove one legal barrier to the resumption of energy investment in the Gulf, the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION STILL RETAINS FULL DISCRETION OVER WHETHER OR NOT ANY NEW PERMITS WILL BE ISSUED. AND ALL INDICATIONS ARE THAT THOSE NEW PERMITS WILL NOT BE COMING ANY TIME SOON.

James Hoffa

October 13th, 2010
11:17 am

That’s my point Shawny. If I have two neighbors, one on each side, and one neighbor has everything, and doesn’t need anything, then there is little incentive to augment his position. He has everything, so giving him more doesn’t help with growth, stability, balnce etc.. All it will do is add to what he already has. However, if my other neighbor still needs things, then it would make much more sense to give him more, will in turn allow him to purchase, create demand and help improve conditions. By writing checks to large corporations and banks and ignoring the consumers of the services and products they provider solves no problems, and in fact helps to excacerbate the situation.

Tech Man

October 13th, 2010
11:18 am

From the same article:

Since President Barack Obama first banned drilling for gas and oil in the Gulf in May, about 36 rigs in the Gulf of Mexico have been put out of work, five rigs have left for Egypt and other parts of Africa, and 12,000 jobs have been lost. If the ban stays in place, the long-term and indirect economic losses will cost more than 175,000 jobs. The problem with President Obama’s new drilling policy, as with all of his economic policies, is the uncertainty it inflicts on our nation’s job creators. Louisiana State University professor Joseph Mason tells The Christian Science Monitor that “uncertain policy decisions” are making it difficult for rig operators to plan for the future. Referring to the rig operators, Mason continued, “and when they can’t plan around it, they move.” And by “move” Mason means taking jobs and energy overseas. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) echoed this verdict:

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
11:21 am

From “The Morning Bell at Heritage.org”

There’s your sign.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
11:26 am

Kamchak, this one’s just for you…

CT’s near constant referral to Think Progress

There’s your sign.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
11:27 am

Good Grief

Nope we are all different, but you better find out who reliable source will be tomorrow…..

Booger

Suitable name, to be sure!

Nope I’m voting at lunch today.

Free Thinker

October 13th, 2010
11:27 am

I visited the Georgia School for the Deaf back in the 80’s and it was in bad shape way back then. I’m glad these kids are getting some improvements to their facility. I have to tell you, however, that I am continually amazed by the low brow comments made in political discussions in Georgia. Instead of examining an issue for its merit, the poorly informed voters in this state attach some stupid label to it, usually either Liberal or Conservative, and then make up their minds accordingly. The way I see it, if a politician or government program has improved my life or the lives of others, I approve. If it doesn’t, then I disapprove. The simple fact is that the stimulous program has not worked in many cases (ie. the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailouts), and I’m opposed to them for that. I believe we should have let those corporate giants fail. Building a school for deaf kids seems like a good idea to me and will help someone. Let’s keep this one.

Bob

October 13th, 2010
11:28 am

As for the deficits, the 2010 total was $1.29 trillion, down slightly from $1.42 trillion. That’s a two-year total of $2.7 trillion, or more than the entire amount during the Reagan Administration, when deficits were supposed to be ruinous. Now liberal economists tell us that deficits are the key to restoring prosperity.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Debbie, since 2007 dems have been in control….we can quit blaming 1 man for this debacle, we all know its on both sides….admission is the first step

Since you’re coming in late to the table and to save myself from carpal tunnel, please read the posts from 9:30 a.m. to present – thank you.

kayaker 71

October 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Some additional pearls of stimulus wisdom for CT and her lemmings to peruse….

497K to Smokers DC who want to use their cellphones to stop smoking
3.4M to Florida to build a tunnel under Hwy 27 to prevent turtles from becoming roadkill
712M to NW Univ to create a “joke machine”
50.9M to Roanoke, VA to repl windows in a 7M dollar building whose major tenants will not return following construction
25M to Stowe, VT to replace chairlifts
300K to Wake Forest Univ to study whether or not yoga can help reduce hot flashes
90K to Boynton, OK to replace a 5yr old sidewalk
1M to Cal Academy of Sciences to send researchers to East Africa to capture and photograph exotic ants
And the winner of the plaid rabbit, the most money spent for nothing goes to BP, that Bozo donor of over 15M dollars in the 2008 campaign for a 308M grant to Hydrogen Energy Co, a subsidiary of BP, to build a Ca power plant that won’t break ground for three more years and won’t become operational until 2017. Talk about shovel ready.

So let’s hear it for some obscure GA project that the town didn’t really need as a single example of Bozo spending to benefit our country. If it wasn’t so pathetic, it would be funny.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
11:30 am

Tech Man
October 13th, 2010
11:18 am

Question: In light of the Deepwater Horizon episode, wouldn’t you say it was prudent of the Administration to put a moratorium on deep water drilling in place so that safety measures could be immproved….or proceed with a dangerous situation that could not only have endangered more lives….but created another gigantic spill?? Once the moratorium is lifted and updated safety procedures in place, then drilling would re-commence…..

Poor Boy from Alabama

October 13th, 2010
11:32 am

CT @ 10:19 You wrote: So Poor Boy @8:50, you are arguing that the stimulus bill should have been larger? A trillion?

Yes. The stimulus should have been bigger. It also should have been better. It was chock full of stuff that was more about a social agenda than good economics. It should also have been combined with a clear plan for getting the country back to a balanced budget.

DebbieDoRight

October 13th, 2010
11:32 am

Jimmy H. However, if my other neighbor still needs things, then it would make much more sense to give him more, will in turn allow him to purchase, create demand and help improve conditions.

But, But…….isn’t that the dreaded, hateful SOCIALISM rearing its head……..

By writing checks to large corporations and banks and ignoring the consumers of the services and products they provider solves no problems, and in fact helps to excacerbate the situation.

I thought repubs liked big business…….

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
11:35 am

HDB – that’s like saying the next time there is a big car wreck on an interstate, that all interstate travel should be stopped until we figure out why it happened and how we can make it safer. I’m all for safety in the workplace, but don’t put a moratorium on American drilling in mile-deep water when you’re funneling money to Brazil to drill in water that is twice as deep.

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
11:35 am

CT’s near constant referral to Think Progress

I’m almost sure that there is a point to that somewhere.

Phantom 309

October 13th, 2010
11:37 am

Seems the euphoria surrounding the upcoming democratic defeats is being reflected in todays Dow Jones activity!!

Phantom 309

October 13th, 2010
11:37 am

PS…I ROCK!!

Phantom 309

October 13th, 2010
11:40 am

Seems democratic funds contributor George Soros has put his wallet away due to the impending, as he calls it, “avalanche” that is coming Nov 4!!

EJ

October 13th, 2010
11:41 am

Must be hard for Cynthia to imagine that $10 million left in the hands of those that earned it in Georgia would have been better spent on their own personal needs.

Such is the challenge for a socialist.

Gm

October 13th, 2010
11:44 am

Take back the USA” When you say take back your country you sound like a dumb hick, Are you going to take it back and give it to the indians?

Dem are going to vote in large no. before we let you bigots run and destroyed it under Bush again, President Obama did not destroy Georgia, your idiots Rep party did, Sonny and the Bubbas.

Phantom 309

October 13th, 2010
11:44 am

And the GOOD NEWS just keeps flowing…

“Illegal immigrants can no longer attend the University of Georgia, Georgia Tech and other academically competitively public colleges, starting next fall.

The State Board of Regents voted Wednesday to prohibit illegal immigrants from attending any college that has rejected academically qualified applicants for the past two academic years because of a lack of space or other issues.”

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
11:46 am

Gm

October 13th, 2010
11:44 am

Sorry friend but you are wrong or either vey naive. Johnny has some parting gift for you and thanks for playing!!

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
11:48 am

When Reagan increased the national debt having spent more money than all presidents combined before him we were told that the grandchildren would pick up the tab. Are we?

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
11:50 am

NV unemployment at 14.4% and Uncle Harry calls in Slick Willy. tee hee.

Gm

October 13th, 2010
11:50 am

President Obama made a big mistake by giving the money to hicks states like Georgia with their corrupt officals, that money should have went directly to the business owners.

Look at Wyoming, Idaho, Mn, they took the money and their unemployment rate is below 9% but you conservaties are to stupid to research your self and believe everything 3 time college drop out Sean Hannity say.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
11:52 am

Kamchak
October 13th, 2010
11:21 am

I just checked on Heritage.org and they referred to Barack Obama as “President”. Do you dismiss this as well?

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
11:54 am

Why aren’t the woe’s of Georgia being blamed on Sonny?

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
11:54 am

Lemme tell ya something. Sean Hannity can toss around a football on his show. I like football therefore I like Sean Hannity and I also like what Sean Hannity likes. He does all my thinking for me so I dont have too.

I hope one day to go on his show and discuss turnip greens, cornbread and down home politickin.

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
11:55 am

Do you dismiss this as well?

I wouldn’t believe the Heritage Foundation if they asserted that water was wet.

Peadawg

October 13th, 2010
11:56 am

Off topic but great news nonetheless:
ttp://www.ajc.com/news/regents-ban-illegal-immigrants-680750.html
“Illegal immigrants can no longer attend the University of Georgia, Georgia Tech and other academically competitively public colleges, starting next fall.”

AMEN!!!

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
11:59 am

Braking news!

The AJC reports that the GBI is now vigorously investigating the thousands of Georgia companies that employed illegal immigrants for years on end.

Widespread prosecutions are expected…

Senor Lopez

October 13th, 2010
11:59 am

Thees will not stand. Mexican brother and sister will go to college whether citizen or not. We all are citizen of world an are entitlement to our entitles. You give me and family what deserve.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
12:00 pm

Kamchak, I was merely pointing out your penchant for listing someone’s referral to a conservative news source as being a sign of ignorance/misunderstanding. Since Ms. Tucker uses Think Progress as one of her many valuable sources, I was turning your remark around on you. Apparently my clever ruse soared over your head.

Phantom 309

October 13th, 2010
12:00 pm

Sounds like the “Night of the Long Burritos” could be at hand.

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
12:00 pm

Braking news? Make that Breaking News.

Keep up the good fight!

October 13th, 2010
12:00 pm

And the march toward right wing stupidity continues. More nazi candidates and witches please.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:00 pm

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
11:35 am
If you didn’t place a moratorium on deep water drilling in the US, the possibility of another LARGER spill could occur!! Using your analogy….remember: by the time an interstate highway project is designed and built, it’s already OBSOLETE!! If deeper water drilling is in place in Brazil and Europe (that dreaded word!) and BP is using those North Sea standards all over the world, then why were shortcuts taken in the US?? A moratorium was sorely needed!!

Lest you also forget: BP’s $20B fund…negotiated by President OBAMA..has considered how the moratorium has affected jobs….and compensation in that fund is available……

Justin

October 13th, 2010
12:01 pm

GE received stimulus and then laid off 18,000 workers !!!!!!!!!!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
12:02 pm

Booger Presley
October 13th, 2010
11:54 am

Nah, you need to go on Huckabee to discuss that.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
12:03 pm

Kamchak
October 13th, 2010
11:55 am

I see. Your liberal “tolerance” and “inclusiveness” is showing. :roll:

Keep up the good fight!

October 13th, 2010
12:04 pm

How are those terror trials going in NY? Closed down the city, created all sorts of terror threats and people killed, right. Fear! I tell you….oh thats right. No problems.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
12:04 pm

Kamchak
October 13th, 2010
11:55 am

“I wouldn’t believe the Heritage Foundation if they asserted that water was wet”

Oh yeah, to follow your cue, there’s your sign!

Keep up the good fight!

October 13th, 2010
12:05 pm

More corporate efficiency: Woman gets a $1 billion dollar utility bill. Aren’t corporations so great? They do everything better.

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
12:06 pm

Apparently my clever ruse soared over your head.

What’s not to understand?

Talk-radio has been marginalizing the “liberal media” for over thirty years.

Now it’s your ox being gored.

That’s the point whooshing over your head.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:08 pm

Many have missed that undocumenteds CAN still attend Georgia universities…just not the FLAGSHIP schools….

…from the AJC…

The list of barred campuses can change over time but the regents said the following are impacted immediately: UGA, Georgia Tech, Georgia State University, Medical College of Georgia and Georgia College & State University.

The regents also ordered all 35 campuses in the University System of Georgia to verify the legal presence in the U.S. for any admitted student seeking in-state tuition rates. Illegal immigrants are required to pay the higher out-of-state tuition rates.

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
12:08 pm

I see. Your liberal “tolerance” and “inclusiveness” is showing.

Please show me where I specifically asked for more “tolerance” and “inclusiveness.”

Thanks in advance.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
12:10 pm

“negotiated by Pres. Obama” Oh, you mean where he was figuring out whose @$$ to kick and upon whose neck a boot must go. That negotiation? I can’t explain the shortcuts. But I know when a judge declared the first ban overturned, Obama basically stomped his feet, pouted a bit, and said “No! There will be a ban!” This is the same president who openly admitted that his policies would bankrupt the coal industry and cause energy prices to skyrocket. That’s hope and change for ya’.

Tech Man

October 13th, 2010
12:12 pm

HDB
October 13th, 2010
12:00 pm

The short cuts you mention were because of a waiver from the Obama Administration.

How are the wells doing that did not receive the waiver? Why penalize all drilling because of an Obama Snafu?

Adolf

October 13th, 2010
12:13 pm

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:08 pm

Vee have vah vays!! Patience…ZIG HEIL!

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
12:14 pm

Really, Kamchak, my ox is being gored? The only non-liberal forms of news in this country are Fox and talk-radio (by and large). So what is the first form of media to be targetted under a hopeful return of the rather misnamed “Fairness Doctrine”: talk radio. I’m sorry that much of the country is centrist and right-leaning. I know that really throws a wrench in your over-all government plans, Kammy.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:14 pm

Good Grief
October 13th, 2010
12:10 pm

“But I know when a judge declared the first ban overturned, …”

Wasn’t it noted that the judge should have RECUSED himself because he was a STOCKHOLDER in the same oil companies that would have been affected by the moratorium?? Could you say that justice was bought and PAID for by the oil companies to lift the moratorium????

C’MON, MAN!!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
12:15 pm

Kamchak
October 13th, 2010
12:06 pm

The “liberal media” has been doing a good job marginalizing itself for decades. No help needed from talk radio.

Keep up the good fight!

October 13th, 2010
12:15 pm

Can we get some more tea party candidates who claim unemployment compensation is unconstitutional when they make sure their wife collects unemployment when fired her from her temporary job?

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
12:16 pm

I know that really throws a wrench in your over-all government plans, Kammy.

(Sigh) And which plans are those?

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
12:17 pm

The “liberal media” has been doing a good job marginalizing itself for decades.

There’s your sign.

Tech Man

October 13th, 2010
12:18 pm

President Barack Obama’s failures of either competence or candidness regarding the size of the oil spill are just the beginning of his administration’s botched disaster response. From the beginning there was a complete lack of coordination between local governments, BP, the federal government, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Coast Guard, not to mention the refusal to allow expertise and resources from foreign parties until months into the spill. Then there was the overzealous enforcement of labor and environmental regulations that slowed clean up and recovery.

Instead of rolling up his sleeves and fighting the disaster head on, President Obama used the disaster for political gain to push his existing environmental agenda. He used the spill to push his stalled energy tax bill in the Senate and then instituted an all out ban on deep water oil development. Then when a federal judge threw out his original ban because it was “arbitrary and capricious,” President Obama doubled-down expanding the ban even wider.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
12:19 pm

Kamchak
October 13th, 2010
12:17 pm

If the “liberal media” told me water was wet I’d believe it. You on the other hand issue “signs”. How lame.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:21 pm

Tech Man
October 13th, 2010
12:12 pm

Question: Why endanger more of the coastline and food resources (fishing, shrimping, et. al..) in the LONG TERM rather than have a moratorium of deep water drilling in the SHORT TERM to ensure the viability of BOTH?? Admit that Deepwater Horizon is a SNAFU……but short term PAIN is tolerable to ensure long term viability!! Note how the people of the Gulf are suffering because people are hesitant to purchase seafood from the Gulf; no one knows the long term issues to human health due to the use of chemical dispersants (I know I’m avoiding Gulf seafood until I know!). How long is it going to take until the Gulf is viable for both industries to coexist????

Keep up the good fight!

October 13th, 2010
12:22 pm

Limp leg…how is that birther thing going for you? Liberal media says to believe our President is born in USA.

Guess you know the liberal media tells the truth!

David Granger

October 13th, 2010
12:22 pm

Did it help? Certainly did.
Did it help the country as much as it COULD have, if the money had been spent wisely, and not looked upon as “pork”? Of course not.

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

Keep

Let’s leave Orly Taitz out of this.

Pluto

October 13th, 2010
12:26 pm

You know you can vacate one of these sites for a week or more and then re-visit and nothing changes. The same old wine in another bottle. The same hackneyed players espousing the same old diatribe. It must fulfill some need; maybe it’s an intellectual inferiority thing?!?!

beavis

October 13th, 2010
12:27 pm

“And serious people understand it and appreciate it.”

Granny has the best drugs around, but only intelligent people understand that the stimulus did NOTHING, except pay off cronies. Granny did you see that Wall Street has the biggest bonuses in history, there is the stimulus….
Please Granny tell the over 10% of people looking for work how well it has done….

Since Obozo came into office over 7.4 million jobs have disappeared, so please tell me what it has done, not by some un-measureable figure of “what we think we saved” jobs, but created…..ZERO
Obozo and people that follow this loser are the only people in the world that can spend a trillion dollars and have nothing to show for it and call it a “Success”

Red Sovine

October 13th, 2010
12:28 pm

Come on back truckers and talk to teddy bar.

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
12:30 pm

Another day another Tucker. Keep talking Tucker! Three more weeks and we’ll see where it has taken you…

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:30 pm

Tech Man
October 13th, 2010
12:18 pm

Not quite true; the Hatch Act did not affect the help coming to the Gulf…because the area affected was OUTSIDE US territorial waters!! No one in the federal government had the expertise to handle a spill of such magnitude….and the BP response plan was copied from their Arctic Response….using contacts who were DEAD….

What the President did was to default to the “experts”, i.e., BP…..and let private industry take control! Look at what happened…..

Also..be reminded that the owners of the Deepwater Horizon (BP, TransOcean and Halliburton) submitted aperwork on the rig that is sailing under the flag of the Marshall Islands…where prefunctory inspection…less that USCG standards….were invoked!!

A moritorium to ensure that all oil rigs could PASS a USCG inspection and were up to deep drilling standards WAS appropriate……..

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:35 pm

beavis
October 13th, 2010
12:27 pm
“Since Obozo came into office over 7.4 million jobs have disappeared, so please tell me what it has done, not by some un-measureable figure of “what we think we saved” jobs, but created…..ZERO”

Remember: under Bush, the nation LOST a net 8M jobs…..
Question: If you had been one of the 25,000 people who LOST their jobs nine MONTHS into the Bush Administration over a 2-week period….and have YET to recover, would you be so enthusiastic for the GOP…who did nothing to mitigate such an occurrance??

Think it didn’t happen? WRONG!! Ask those who were laid of right after 9/11 who were working for United, Delta, Northwest……

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

HDB – could they not have inspected these rigs on a one-by-one basis without shutting down the entire industry? One rig had a problem, to me that’s not justification enough to take the entire industry offline.

Tech Man

October 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

HDB
October 13th, 2010
12:30 pm

A moratorium on BP is appropriate. See their standards on the Alaska pipeline.

Why penalize others, doing the job correctly, because of an Obama Administration SNAFU on a known renegade company?

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

Stimulus = slush fund
Stimulus = millions of lost jobs and 10%+ unemployment in many places
Stimulus = shows Central Gov’t planning DOESN’T WORK
Stimulus = Entirely new way to count jobs that are “saved or created”, that’s my favorite one!
Stimulus = leads to MORE stimulus to create what the last stimulus has already created or saved? WHAT A CROCK?
Stimulus = $1 trillion in money Obama borrowed from China(foreign money) to create or save jobs…..total hypocrite on foreign funds charge leveled by Obama!!!!
Stimulus = what Granny likes in the morning:) couldn’t resist…

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
12:39 pm

Cat got your tongue tucker?

Tech Man

October 13th, 2010
12:40 pm

Responding to the BP oil leak, President Obama instituted a moratorium on deepwater (over 500 feet) drilling. Though a judge ruled against the moratorium, drilling has not restarted. In addition, though no official moratorium was issued for drilling in shallower water, the permitting process has slowed considerably.

granny godzilla

October 13th, 2010
12:42 pm

beavis

great new name!

can you please provide new whine to go with your cheesy posts…

yep, only a rightie can say “mission accomplished”

tee hee hee

Gm

October 13th, 2010
12:42 pm

Teach Man: Let see you people cry we dont want more government but yet when the President says I am going to let private sector clean up their mess then you people cry, the President did not do enough.
This is the kind of hypocrites in the Rep party.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:45 pm

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
12:37 pm
HDB – could they not have inspected these rigs on a one-by-one basis without shutting down the entire industry? One rig had a problem, to me that’s not justification enough to take the entire industry offline.

Only 36 rigs were affected…..not every rig in the Gulf fell into that category!! How many could have similar issues? If not for the moratorium and subsequent inspections, we would have never known!! Once each of those 36 rigs gets inspected and PASSES, then I think that we’ll be back to “normal”……

Short term pain for long tern gain…..I can live with that!!

Tech Man

October 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

A moratorium on BP is appropriate. See their standards on the Alaska pipeline. Why penalize others, doing the job correctly, because of an Obama Administration SNAFU on a known renegade company?

Are you SURE that all were doing things correctly?? Who else may have taken short cuts? We wouldn’t know unless we took all prudent steps to do so….and the moratorium to ensure such, IMHO, was the right…and NECESSARY thing to do!!

Roy Barnes

October 13th, 2010
12:48 pm

Elect me again and all my lawyer friends will be happy! Yes..I was a lousey Governor before and would do a sorry job again but so what! I’m a lawyer! Don’t worry..folks without jobs..I will have you all raking pinestraw in our Georgia forests! That should make you commmon people happy!!

Gm

October 13th, 2010
12:48 pm

HDB: Blood OIl George Bush, lost 5 million jobs under his adminstration, Stop watching Fox and learn,

Unemployment Mn, Wy, Nk,Ks, Nb, is less then 6% they took the money, please blame your corrupt good old boy here in Georiga, Sonny and the next Georgia crook Nathan Deal, you people can not be these dumb of hicks.

18 wheels and a dozen roses

October 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

Plenty truck driving jobs available. Oh thats right unless you flunkies can start a job as CEO or making a minimum of $100K annually you had rather sit on your lazy behinds asking for a handout.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

Tech Man
October 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

“Let see you people cry we dont want more government but yet when the President says I am going to let private sector clean up their mess then you people cry, the President did not do enough.”

GM does have a point here; in your eyes, WHEN is governmental action necessary??

HDB

October 13th, 2010
12:51 pm

Gm
October 13th, 2010
12:48 pm

Hey….check my 12:35….I know that jobs were LOST in the Bush years; mine was ONE of them!!!

Tech Man

October 13th, 2010
12:52 pm

HDB
October 13th, 2010
12:45 pm

How long to inspect one rig? If inspected and passed why not put them back on line immediately?

Something stinks more than just BP and it is the Obama Administration dragging their feet, costing jobs.

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
12:52 pm

The only way Obama can move his ‘green’ agenda forward in this country is to destroy the oil and coal industry. The slowing of permits is part of that. He is on record saying he wants to destory the coal industry. People need to start listening to what this guy is saying. His ‘green agenda’ has no room for fossil fuels people!!!!! His next destructive environmental moves will be through the EPA, behind the scenes, over the next 2 years. Take a look at who he has appointed there. This guy is not the man A LOT of people thought they voted for. Listen to him speak on a daily basis and please tell me what you see. He is a man that is ANTI-CAPITALIST!!! Don’t listen to me, just listen to the way he throws industries under the bus ON A DAILY BASIS! Even far left liberals can’t push this kind of stuff under the rug. Wake up people!!!

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
12:52 pm

HDB – I’m asking why each of those 36 rigs could not have been taken offline one at a time to be inspected, leaving the other 35 operating and producing, since they’d not had any incidents. It would be even less short-term pain to do things that way than to tell the entire group to shut down. Since you’ve not had problems with any of the other rigs, let them run until their inspection time. Seems more reasonable than shutting down the entire group.

hotlanta

October 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

I wonder did all of these folks that are soooooooooo opposed to President Obama and his policies are telling their insurance company you can drop me because I have an existing illness and I don’t want Johnnny in college on my insurance either. There butts were the first one in line.

Yall know good and well if this was a socialist country, a word being thrown around like water, yall behinds would be in jail and never to be seen again. Go to Cuba with this mess and see what happens. If yall want a smaller or no government go to Haiti or Afghanitan somewhere. How can folks complain about less government and running for political office themselves. DUMB!!!

It’s amazing how they wanted less government but when the oil spilled into the Gulf they wanted the GOVERNMENT to do something about it within 24 hours. Those fisheman were trying to get 2-3 year free ride off BP talking about when the well is sealed what about us. We are going to be forgotten. Go to Mcdonald’s they are always hiring. A lot of them has been working under the table for years and haven’t filed taxes and they know if they get that money their butts would be exposed. It is amazinf how they don’t consider themselves criminals for doing this.

What is the Governor and Mayor of these states doing to provide jobs for their constituents. NOTHING!!!!! They are blaming the President for that as well. The Repulicans blocked a bill to bring the overseas jobs back home. What they are trying to do is stop evertything that the President is doing and when they get in office they are going to copy him and do the same thing and claim VICTORY!!! They are still acting as if someone stole their pony. Ger over it REPLICANS you lost.

DawgDad

October 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

Cynthia, there is a clear and distinct difference between government spending and economic stimulus. Trying to portray this Rehab Center construction spending (of borrowed money) as economic stimulus is so over the top as to be laughable, but I think you know very well the difference and you’re intentionally misleading your economically illiterate readers. Shame on you.

Jack

October 13th, 2010
12:57 pm

For your edification: “Make do” means muddle through until a real job comes along.

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
12:58 pm

THIS JUST IN TUCKER!!!
Obama admits that….”there’s no such thing as shovel ready projects”. Obama SOLD THE STIMULUS ON THE FACT THAT it would keep unemployment under 8% and that it would create miliions of jobs through “SHOVEL READY PROJECTS”. NOW HE ADMITS THERE IS NO SUCH THING. All Obama fans please chew on this one and then respond.
PS….he sold the Obamacare bill on the fact that it would save money and right after it was passed the CBO said it was going to increase the budget!!!!!!

beavis

October 13th, 2010
1:01 pm

HDB,
Bush left office what was the unemployment rate, 5 or 6 %?
Now add 1 trillion dollars and lose 7 million jobs, that is great success, for a loser.
I am still not sure how you loser libs who complain about what Bush spent or did, by the way he is no longer in office, just in case you libs haven’t figured it out, where is the outrage of spending more in 18 months than Bush did in 8 years. Then lose more jobs than Bush did in 8 years, if that is liberal success I WANT to fail…
I am so glad November is close

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
1:02 pm

This guy may be a nice guy to some of you but it is increasingly obvious that he is IN WAY OVER HIS HEAD and is ECONOMICALLY ILLITERATE……just how Tucker likes readers to be in order for her to post columns like this one. Say something Tucker…PLEASE!!!!

18 wheels and a dozen roses

October 13th, 2010
1:02 pm

hotlanta

October 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

LOL…that was a nice yet non-effective diatribe.

PS…Obama is about to have his hands tied behind his back and be taught a lesson.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
1:04 pm

Tech Man
October 13th, 2010
12:52 pm
Good Grief
October 13th, 2010
12:52 pm

….from the WSJ…..maybe this is why….(just conjecture)

Inspectors Rarely Surprised Oil Rigs

Surprise inspections of deepwater drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico dwindled to about three a year over the past decade, even as exploratory drilling far from shore increased, according to federal data analyzed by The Wall Street Journal.

And since 2004 federal authorities haven’t made a single surprise inspection on any of the 50 or so deepwater natural gas and oil production platforms in the Gulf, despite a law requiring periodic unannounced inspections. Like rigs, these semi-permanent structures also handle enormous amounts of oil and natural gas and are at risk for oil spills and worker fatalities.

This dearth of surprise visits to deepwater operations reduced the likelihood that inspectors would find individual safety violations, industry experts and inspectors say. “You’re more apt to see what actual operations are with a surprise inspection,” said Perry Jennings, who heads the union local that represents federal offshore inspectors. “And if something’s going on that’s inappropriate, that’s the best time to catch it.”

Since the explosion of a BP PLC well in the Gulf of Mexico on April 20 that led to 11 deaths and the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history, the Minerals Management Service, the agency that monitors offshore drilling, has been the subject of withering criticism for what many described as lax oversight and enforcement of regulations.

Regulators in the U.S. and around the globe routinely use surprise inspections in such operations as airplane maintenance and oil refining.

It’s impossible to know if a surprise inspection would have prevented the deadly explosion aboard the Deepwater Horizon, the rig drilling the BP well, owned and operated by Transocean Ltd. The last unannounced visit was in October 2006.

However, inspectors can request records on the condition of the blowout preventer, a mammoth set of valves designed to shut down the well in an emergency. Some of the functions on the blowout preventer failed to work on the Deepwater Horizon.

Federal inspectors spent 62 hours aboard the rig in 2009 in announced visits. And an announced inspection this year about three weeks before the blowout lasted about two hours, but no citation was issued.

Still, unannounced inspections are seen as so critical to ensuring safe mining that Congress is considering a bill, drafted in the wake of a recent deadly West Virginia coal mine explosion, to make it a felony punishable by five years in prison to tip off an operator about an unannounced inspection.

Regulators with the Mine Safety and Health Administration said it was during a surprise inspection on Sept. 28 that they found safety violations at a West Virginia mine owned by Massey Energy Co. that could have caused an explosion. Massey, the owner of the separate West Virginia mine where 29 workers were killed after an April 5 explosion, said it fired three workers and suspended nine others over the recent inspection results.

“If you have zero unannounced visits and if the industry knows there will be no unannounced visits, that changes the incentive to be vigilant,” said Cary Coglianese, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania who specializes in regulatory issues.

But officials with the MMS, recently renamed the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement, say surprise inspections were a low priority in deepwater energy operations.

“It was not what anybody wanted,” said Elmer P. Danenberger III, the longtime head of the agency’s offshore regulatory programs who retired in December. Mandatory annual inspections of 3,800 offshore facilities, responding to hurricane and collecting royalties were deemed more urgent, he said.

Interior Secretary Kenneth Salazar has promised extensive reforms in the agency and named a new director with a broad mandate to overhaul policies and enforcement practices.

A recent report said the agency’s policy about surprise inspections must be clarified. Interior spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff promised “to determine the appropriate actions to take as we reorganize the agency.”

A Journal analysis of inspection data from 2000 through July 2010 showed an agency that had significantly reduced unannounced inspections in the Gulf’s deep waters, which the agency defines as 1,000 feet or deeper.

In 2000, about one in nine inspections of deepwater facilities were unannounced, according to the Journal’s analysis; by 2009, that rate had dropped to about one in 80. Meanwhile, the number of deepwater wells pumping oil and gas more than doubled over the decade to 602 from 256, according to federal data.

Some companies, such as Transocean, almost never had a helicopter carrying an inspector appear on the horizon to check on them. Surprise inspections accounted for less than 1% of total inspections for the Switzerland-based company between 2000 and 2010, the lowest among large drilling companies.

A Transocean spokesman said that drillers don’t determine “the number or frequency of government inspections.”

Inspectors arrive offshore via government-leased helicopters usually with a computer-generated random list of safety and antipollution components.

The inspector can issue a warning, or order the shutdown of a single component, or the entire facility. The third option was a rare occurrence.

In fact, the government and inspectors have been faulted by internal investigators for being too close to oil companies, sometimes even allowing company employees to fill out inspection reports.

An April 2005 memo prohibited certain unannounced inspections. In the memo, Donald Howard, a former regional supervisor for MMS, required inspectors to give a 24-hour notice before inspecting many of the largest offshore platforms. He cited new security regulations imposed after the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

But the U.S. Coast Guard, which oversees these security rules, said it could find no justification for a 24-hour notice. “I haven’t found anything that requires an advanced notification to conduct an inspection,” says Lt. Commander Kevin Lynn, chief of the Coast Guard’s offshore facility security branch. “I am not exactly sure where that is coming from.”

Mr. Howard couldn’t be reached for comment. The agency fired him in 2007, and he later pleaded guilty to failing to disclose gifts from an offshore drilling company.

The policy was reiterated in 2007 by Joe Gordon, who subsequently left the agency to work for Chevron Corp. He declined requests for an interview.

Last month, an Interior Department Inspector General report found employees felt pressured to notify Royal Dutch Shell PLC before traveling to its offshore facilities. Shell spokesman Bill Tanner said: “If we did request additional notice, it was purely a safety matter in our mind.”

A separate Interior Department internal report released last month noted that individual district MMS offices seemed to have different interpretations of agency policy about when and if surprise inspections could be done or even what constituted one—something the department said needed to be clarified.

The report also noted some companies had “special notification arrangements.” The Interior Department declined to elaborate.

Oil and gas companies have generally favored scheduled inspections over unannounced ones. Allen Verret, executive director of the Offshore Operators Committee, an industry group, said scheduling inspections helps avoid congestion—and potential danger—if a helicopter appears unexpectedly.

Most inspectors, however, felt handcuffed by the arrangement. A recent survey by a federal safety oversight board convened by the Interior Department found that 90% of inspectors said there was a “critical need for more unannounced inspections.”

—Leslie Eaton and Tom McGinty contributed
to this article.

JB

October 13th, 2010
1:05 pm

Pork. Money to dead people. money to prisoners.Special interest funding……In the words of Bob Schefer at CBS……….Is this the best you can do…….Look, when a project is done, a road paved, these “few Jobs” go away…..Americans spending money on good and services drive this economy……. WORKING AMERICANS………..DEM’S are really clueless….It’s scary

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
1:06 pm

Upon Obamas incarceration plan on singing “Jailhouse Rock”.

“Number 47 said to Obamee
Your cutest jailbird I eva did see
I sure would delighted with ya company
Cmon and do the jailhouse rock with me
LETS ROCK…

Everybody lets rock
Everybody in Obamees block was
dancin to the jailhouse rock”

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
1:10 pm

Okay, so the MMS decided that 24-notice was needed. Instead of telling the service to repeal the need for that notice, the administration decided the best step was to shut down all deepwater rigs. Surprisingly, that makes sense. (SARCASM)

guy

October 13th, 2010
1:12 pm

CT just wants to rile up her conservative enemies.Don’t give her the pleasure of succeeding.She would support O.J. Simpson or Al Sharpton if they were running for office too.
You can’t fix STUPID!

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
1:12 pm

“I am still not sure how you loser libs who complain about what Bush spent or did…”

Of course not. Because we all know he is not, in the slightest way, responsible for ANYTHING regarding the current state of affairs in America.

In fact I think we should elect a whole bunch of these new mini-GWBs and see how that works out for middle class Americans!

EJ

October 13th, 2010
1:13 pm

Cynthia’s Next Column:

How Crime Helps Georgia

Recent smash and grabs have been seen as detrimental to the local economy. But in truth, these criminals are helping to stimulate and create new jobs.

New windows must be installed to replace the broken ones.
New flat screen tvs must be purchased, helping the sales at local stores such as Wal-mart and Best Buy, enabling the state to collect additional sales tax dollars.

Local insurance companies must raise their premiums to cover these additional losses. It also requires the hiring of additional claims adjusters, another boom for the local economy.

All in all, we are benefiting greatly from the Smash n Grabs….

So keep up the great work. It’s in our best interest.

Lil' Barry Bailout

October 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

Did the stimulus plan help Georgia? You bet
7:44 am October 13, 2010, by ctucker
———-

Three words: Ten percent unemployment.

DawgDad

October 13th, 2010
1:18 pm

HDB wrote: “If you had been one of the 25,000 people who LOST their jobs nine MONTHS into the Bush Administration over a 2-week period….and have YET to recover, would you be so enthusiastic for the GOP…who did nothing to mitigate such an occurrance??”

I’m one of those people, although arguably I have recovered. The Bush administration focused on tax cuts and rekindling the economy post-9/11, and even hired thousands of new government workers (ever hear of “Homeland Security”?). I guess maybe you wanted what, a government edict to businesses NOT to lay off people? Gee, wonder what would have happened to our economy and country if THAT would have been issued! Businesses with significantly reduced or eliminated revenue streams not allowed to lay off workers. Brilliant! Only a Marxist could have dreamed as much.

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
1:22 pm

AmVet,
As a conservative I had issues with GWB as well. BUT, Obama has been pres for 2 years and has only taken things, if I may borrow, ‘deeper in the ditch’. At some point you will have to admit his economic policies are not helping, just like I admitted problems with what Bush did…or not?

Lil' Barry Bailout

October 13th, 2010
1:23 pm

The unemployment rate has been higher every month of the Idiot Messiah’s regime than at any point during our President Bush’s eight years. And it only cost us a trillion dollars!

Gm

October 13th, 2010
1:23 pm

Beavis you must be butt head ” President Obama had to spend money because of the hole we were in” Auto industrial destroyed, banks failed, wall street had went under, people lost homes, unemployement all this had to be paid for thanks to George Oil Bush and his 2 wars he created.

Tommy Maddox

October 13th, 2010
1:25 pm

A couple of my kids are hearing impaired and I always appreciate places like the one in Cave Springs. What I don’t appreciate is the fact that all of my kids will be paying for it when they grow up.

Stimulus built a new building in Georgia and there’s a whole bunch of folks unemployed.

Tidy Bowl

October 13th, 2010
1:27 pm

Sorry Dems…your ship is sinking beneath the EVER SO STINKY waters of THE ALMIGHTY TOILET and there is not one thing that can stop it.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
1:28 pm

AmVet

- -In fact I think we should elect a whole bunch of these new mini-GWBs and see how that works out for middle class Americans!- -

After seeing what electing a whole bunch of liberals who couldn’t lead a boy scout troop or perform basic math has done to our economy, our image abroad and our credit rating, and considering how well the middle class did under Bush, compared to how they have done under Obamunisum, I would say that new mini-GWBs would be exactly what the doctor ordered.

The public is the doctor and the prescription will be written on Nov. 4.

democrats, hurting millions to help dozens.

Gm

October 13th, 2010
1:29 pm

Lil Berry bailout: it helped Wy, Ks, Co, Okl, Mn, there unemployement is less then 8%, because their officals took the money and used it like it suppose to.

You dumb hicks in Georiga let Sonny and the crooks take the money and used it for favors, but yet you same hicks are willing to put them back in office

You Asked

October 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

How many jobs were created by Republican politicians since 2007?

The same amount as Democrat politicians since 2007.

None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Businesses not bureaucrats create jobs.

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

But Gm…what about NV, the Home of Hairy Reed? NV unemployment is at 14.4%…care to expound?

JB

October 13th, 2010
1:33 pm

Having trouble picking a good wine for Tuesday night, Nov. 2nd…….Gonna be a great night.
What will the new Congress do…………..Simply slam the checkbook on his nappy little fingers and listen to him bitch about it……He will spend the last two years just telling America the reason we don’t have jobs is we won’t let him spend money. Geez…….He’ll fry in Hell before he’ll let those pasty white rich people crank up the economy again with tax cuts and incentives. He’d rather spread jam than make it….. He is a fool.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
1:34 pm

You know, Gm, calling us Georgians “you dumb hicks” really engenders support for your point of view.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
1:36 pm

You Asked

democrats took over control of congress in January of 2007.

So they are supposed to create jobs when they are not in power?

You Asked

October 13th, 2010
1:36 pm

Gm is taking his lead from the Democratic party and smearing anyone who doesn’t agree with him. Liberals wouldn’t be half as exasperating if they weren’t so smug and superior. Civility for me but not for thee.

THE ALMIGHTY TOILET

October 13th, 2010
1:37 pm

Nov 4 approacheth. BBBUUUWWWWWAAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!

*Ker-FLUSH*

You Asked

October 13th, 2010
1:38 pm

Nothing is free. One of the posters on the first page asked that question. My response is that congress doesn’t create jobs. Neither party in or out of power creates lasting profitable work.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
1:38 pm

BAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

“They might not get along, but President Obama reportedly has distant relatives in Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh.”

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
1:38 pm

Gm

Love the dumb hicks remark.

I would ask you to look up the top public schools in the country and see where most are located, but if you were smart enough to do that, you would have already done it.

Just another ignorant twit, trying to make himself feel good about living in the rust belt.

Poor baby.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
1:39 pm

You Asked

- -My response is that congress doesn’t create jobs. Neither party in or out of power creates lasting profitable work.- -

We agree.

Caveman

October 13th, 2010
1:40 pm

Republicans would set their own house on fire, then whine and cry about how much water the firemen had to use to put it out

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

October 13th, 2010
1:40 pm

NOW YOU NUT CASES NEED TO BACK OFF RUSH LIMBAUGH AND SARAH PALIN RELATIVE POTUS OBAMA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
1:42 pm

“NOW YOU NUT CASES NEED TO BACK OFF RUSH LIMBAUGH AND SARAH PALIN RELATIVE POTUS OBAMA!”

Ya…kinda makes Palin and Rush seem all dumb, cheap and taudry.

JB

October 13th, 2010
1:42 pm

What little economy we have is in spite of him, not because of him…………I will never understand why the RNC does not educate the American public ( The ones making the place work, not the Ipod, dope smoking entitlement bunch) How Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank played such a big part of a loan and house for everyone policy which has taken this economy down. I understand Wall St. part of bundling these worthless loans and selling them off……….I throw up everytime I hear Obama talk about all this being Bush’s fault.
That’s crap.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
1:42 pm

Good Grief

Don’t scold Gm. It’s good when others show their true colors.

But wouldn’t it be nice if all those non-Southerners would stop moving down here. People here used to be nice, but rudeness (in Atlanta, at least) is the order of the day.

How many Southerners do you know that live their entire life so they can move to Detroit and retire?

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

October 13th, 2010
1:43 pm

41 MILLION PEOPLE ON WELFARE,BECAUSE OF BUSH’S TAXCUTS FOR THE RICH,HOW DID THOSE 8YEARS WORKOUT?

P.S. LIMBAUGH AND PALIN RELATIVE OBAMA HAS KEPT US SAFE!

Mongo

October 13th, 2010
1:45 pm

For all the con crying, you’d think that the economy was still hemorrhaging 200,000 jobs a month like it was when Bush was in office.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
1:45 pm

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

October 13th, 2010
1:40 pm

POTUS Obama or Imam Obama?

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

Booger Presley

Love the comments about Palin.

Have you seen Nancy Pelosi on Camera? Palin is Einstein compared to that bat eyed dingbat.

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

“At some point you will have to admit his economic policies are not helping…”

And when I can factually determine after some reasonable time that they are not, I will excoriate him as I have on his idiotic Afghan surge and his failure to reign in the white-collar criminals who brought this nation to the brink of another Great Depression.

He supported TARP and the bailout of capitalism by the greatest socialist of all time King George IV, and to that extent he is part and parcel of the problem.

However, unlike many here, I am no self-proclaimed expert on these enormously complex and complicated economic matters, and who can foretell *immediately* all of the ramifications, consequences – long and short term – and pluses and minuses of these attempts.

All I know is that the smoke and mirrors version of capitalism came crashing down in September 2008. And the horrendous aftermath of the attempted corporate destruction of capitalism is going to be with us for a LONG time.

No matter which of the corporate water carrier in either the Tweedledee or Tweedledum parties occupies the West Wing.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

Mongo

October 13th, 2010
1:45 pm

Yeah, I guess W just didn’t have a “Recovery Summer” like Obama did. :roll:

HDB

October 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

DawgDad
October 13th, 2010
1:18 pm

“The Bush administration focused on tax cuts and rekindling the economy post-9/11, and even hired thousands of new government workers (ever hear of “Homeland Security”?). I guess maybe you wanted what, a government edict to businesses NOT to lay off people?”

The point I’m making is that it DIDN’T work!! As I too was adversely affected by 9/11 (try working for United Airlines….and having a 25,000 person layoff in a 2-week period….and a declining job market simultaneously occurring…particularly in Chicago!!)…there were many that the government couldn’t absorb…and private industry DID not absorb!! You can’t say that Corporate America was sitting on over $5T and wasn’t willing to spend it…as they are NOW!! That was indicative of what Bush’s policies would do!!

Nothing Is Free
October 13th, 2010
1:28 pm

“….and considering how well the middle class did under Bush, compared to how they have done under Obamunisum, I would say that new mini-GWBs would be exactly what the doctor ordered.”

Not in MY neighborhood!! Under Bush, job LOSSES, bankruptcies, and wealth LOSSES ouucrred!! At least, under Obama, many of us are seeing a rebound…and it’s NOT because of being on welfare!! Jobs are opening up!! Try having worked for United Airlines on 9/11…and being unemployed for over TWO YEARS under Bush…but being able to find a professional job under Obama in THREE MONTHS!!

Depends on where you live…..

Republicans: helping the wealthy…but hurting millions!!

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

Ayetoolah Obama.

Independent J

October 13th, 2010
1:47 pm

debbie, ok i went back and read your blogs….you still blame one person and one party…good for you!!!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
1:47 pm

Nothing Is Free
October 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

Pelosi will probably be nominated for a Nobel for her economic philosophy that food stamps are a great way to stimulate the economy.

Mongo

October 13th, 2010
1:48 pm

“I throw up everytime I hear Obama talk about all this being Bush’s fault.”
1+ 1 = 2 must put you in the hospital then.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
1:49 pm

Mongo

- -For all the con crying, you’d think that the economy was still hemorrhaging 200,000 jobs a month like it was when Bush was in office.- -

That should say: you’d think that the economy was still hemorrhaging 200,000 jobs a month like it was after the democrats took over Congress and started attacking small businesses.

Sorry, Pal. no body with three numbers in their IQ believes that Bush was the problem. Unemployment was 4.7 when the country sent the Republicans home and it was still 5% a full year later.

Address those numbers if you can.

JB

October 13th, 2010
1:49 pm

keep drinking it CYNT………………………..If the Christmas day bomber and the Times Square Bomber where not dumb a$$’s, There would be a lot of dead Americans and Oduma’s popularity rating would be about 20%, which is the hard left loons, who feel we got what we deserves types !!!!! The guy is clueless about Terrorism……….

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
1:50 pm

Leg Lamp

Actually, she will need to win the prize before we can see what she won the prize for.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
1:50 pm

CYNT U-
I thought it was Kevin Obama?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
1:52 pm

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
1:50 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
1:52 pm

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
1:50 pm

Haha!! How soon they forget.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
1:52 pm

Nothing Is Free
October 13th, 2010
1:49 pm

“Sorry, Pal. no body with three numbers in their IQ believes that Bush was the problem. Unemployment was 4.7 when the country sent the Republicans home and it was still 5% a full year later. ”

Not totally – that’s contingent on your location and profession! In many cases…and areas, in 2007, unemployment had actually gotten over 8%. Remember the old adage: It’s a recession when your neighbor is unemployed; it’s a DPERESSION when YOU are unemployed!!

Independent J

October 13th, 2010
1:53 pm

HDB. bush put you in unemployment? why is the rate still close to 10%…..cmon! are you saying Obama got you your job now..can you not do it on your own…cuz thats what it sounds like….

travelingman141

October 13th, 2010
1:54 pm

Porkulus Succubus Stimulus. Spending printed worthless paper money we don’t have and somebody else is gotta to pay for it. SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN TO ME!!! Silly libtards, governing is not for you!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
1:54 pm

Don’t you know that Bill Maher is just livid that the rescued miners said things like God was with them, they prayed and always had faith the would survive, read bibles, and a couple even did the Catholic cross upon exiting the tube.

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
1:57 pm

“I throw up everytime I hear Obama talk about all this being Bush’s fault.”

Mongo, we’ve discussed this repeatedly.

NOTHING is George Walker Bush’s fault.

He according to the legions of apologists, he was so Teflon-coated that his legacy ended at 12PM on January 21, 2009, and the slate was wiped clean.

And I suppose had I the complete lack of lucidity to even vote for that man once, (much less twice!) I too would to find some way to make up sheer nonsense to justify it.

And isn’t it ironic that somehow the nation still struggles from the effects of the Carter and Clinton administrations…

JB

October 13th, 2010
1:57 pm

I hope I have a front row seat the day Bill Maher. meets our Lord to be judged…….Won’t that be an interesting conversation…… First thing Jesus will say, ” I don’t believe I know you”……

HDB

October 13th, 2010
1:59 pm

JB

October 13th, 2010
1:42 pm
What little economy we have is in spite of him, not because of him…………I will never understand why the RNC does not educate the American public ( The ones making the place work, not the Ipod, dope smoking entitlement bunch) How Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank played such a big part of a loan and house for everyone policy which has taken this economy down. I understand Wall St. part of bundling these worthless loans and selling them off……….I throw up everytime I hear Obama talk about all this being Bush’s fault.

Actually…the first aspect of the “Ownership Society” came from RONALD REAGAN!!

…from Reagan:

“Most of our citizens own the homes in which they reside. In the marketplace, they benefit from direct and indirect business ownership. There are currently close to 10 million self-employed workers in the U.S.-nearly 9 percent of total civilian employment. And, millions more hope to own a business some day. Furthermore, over 47 million individuals reap the rewards of free enterprise through stock ownership in the vast number of companies listed on U. S. stock exchanges.

I can’t help but believe that in the future we will see in the United States and throughout the western world an increasing trend toward the next logical step, employee ownership. It is a path that befits a free people.”

Gm

October 13th, 2010
1:59 pm

Nothing is Free, I’m sorry how about Bubbas,

I am from the South, thank god for those people up north, you people would still have slaves and marrying your cousins.

seabeau

October 13th, 2010
2:00 pm

Cynthia! How’s this for a better idea? A lower tax rate, keeping money in my pockets,my spending it locally, putting people to work, cutting jobs in Washington ,telling Washington to POUND SAND!!!

HDB

October 13th, 2010
2:02 pm

Independent J

October 13th, 2010
1:53 pm
HDB. bush put you in unemployment? why is the rate still close to 10%…..cmon! are you saying Obama got you your job now..can you not do it on your own…cuz thats what it sounds like….

Bush’s POLICIES were part of the cause!! If we had maintained the Clinton era policies….unemployment would have been much lower!! I’ve always said that Presidential POLICIES do influence the marketplace….THAT’S my focus!!

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
2:02 pm

HDB

During the most prosperous times in our history, there have been sections of the population with high unemployment numbers. That is always the case. But that doesn’t change what has happened to our country in thew past four years.

Democrats come in and immediately start attacking capitalism and our consumer driven economy and when their attacks start to work, giving the government the opening to expand a little quicker than the Third Reich expanded during 1933, the democrats try to blame the Republicans.

It’s bad enough that they seem hell bent on destroying our economy for their own advances and their own power enhancements, but they should at least admit to what they are doing.

Bert

October 13th, 2010
2:03 pm

Are any of you people happy? What most of these comments have taught me is that there are a lot of people out there who have no idea what really happens with the federal government’s budget. The fiscal year just ended for the government, and does anyone out there have any idea how much money was spent in the last three weeks.

Does anyone know anything about macroeconomics. Does this equation look slighly familiar C+G+I+NX. What do you think that “G” abbreviates

You Asked

October 13th, 2010
2:05 pm

Gm – about you being “from the South”

Just cause your cat has kittens in the oven it don’t make ‘em biscuits.

Take your bigotry somewhere else. Delta is ready to go when you are.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:05 pm

Gm
October 13th, 2010
1:59 pm

Yeah, good thing we have northerners to thank for showing us how to improve race relations. Why, just look at how smooth things went in Boston, MA, in 1976 when they tried to desegregate their schools – almost a decade after GA desegregated its schools.

Independent J

October 13th, 2010
2:07 pm

I agree HDB, so we will agree that Obamas policies will be blamed then for the last 2-4 yrs and into the the next 2 yrs….
clinton didnt have a 9/11 and a need to rebuild…im not saying its all 9/11 but it certainly impacted everything….airlines, automotive, banking, ect..

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:07 pm

Bert
October 13th, 2010
2:03 pm

“What do you think that “G” abbreviates”

George W. Bush!! There, I beat the libs to it.

You Asked

October 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

I am “from the North” and the bigotry was just as bad up there. At least down here the rednecks act stupid and stick out so you know who to avoid. Up north they just lied to your face and stabbed you in the back if you were different from them.

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

Gm

You state GA hicks with 10% unemployment etc. What about the Dems in NV and Hairy Reed and 14.4% unemployment not to mention the pompus Mr Reid is fighting for his political life.

Please educate us!! We need you!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

Independent J
October 13th, 2010
2:07 pm

Better be careful. Logic is often frowned upon on this blog. :)

HDB

October 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

Independent J
October 13th, 2010
1:53 pm

Immediately after 9/11, United Airlines axed 25,000 people (I was PART of it!!)…other companies axed over 1.5M people at that point. The government couldn’t absorb the workforce….and the private sector DIDN’T! All along, Bush said “Keep spending”. There was no cohesive policy for getting people back to work…..and the tax cuts did nothing for many segments of the work force! I know many people who are STILL adversely affected by Bushian policies immediately after 9/11!! All the tax cuts did was make corporations profitable…at the expense of the workforce……

JB

October 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

Do liberals ‘KNOW” where the money comes from ? Really, do they……We are approaching 50% who contribute NOTHING. Just take…And want more…………Do liberals think we are( were) the greatest Country in world with liberal ideals, policy and doctrine? Do you really think that..?
No incentive, no work ethic, over taxed and regulated and weak morals builds and makes a great nation. Do you really think that? Capitalism isn’t perfect, but a liberal agenda is a one ticket to being invaded and jailed.

Booger Presley

October 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

“Just cause your cat has kittens in the oven it don’t make ‘em biscuits.”

LMAO!! Thats a new one!

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
2:09 pm

Gm

Yea, you sound like a true Southerner. Chances are, you have never been South of south Detroit.

I’m not from the South and the North sucks. It’s cold, the people are ignorant and rude and there are few things uglier than a fat northern woman.

People in the north were huge slavery proponents with the largest slave auction being in New York City.

As far as marrying cousins, that is a trait known mostly to English Royalty, but there’s a lot more family “affairs” going on in Northern Row Houses than in Southern Trailer Parks.

Want to try a little more ignorance spouting. So far, you look a little like an ignorant fool.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:11 pm

You Asked
October 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

As far as who to avoid, I’d rather be lost in a “redneck” neighborhood at 2AM in the morning than I would in the projects. Just sayin…..

JB

October 13th, 2010
2:13 pm

American by birth, Southern by the grace of God…….

JB

October 13th, 2010
2:15 pm

Why do you never see hundreds of Acres being bulldozed up North to build houses making room for all the new Southerner’s moving in ?

Phantom 309

October 13th, 2010
2:16 pm

Im so looking forward to elections return night!!

Bert

October 13th, 2010
2:16 pm

American by birth, Southern by the grace of God, embarrassed by the lack of progression

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
2:17 pm

Tick,,,tick,,,tick….

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
2:19 pm

I’ve lived in the North and the South.

it’s very simple: Where do Northerners go on Vacation, when they can afford it?

The Jersey Shore? (Yuk, puke, ugly fat people like beached whales laying in the sand)

Niagara Falls? The biggest attraction is that Northerners leave on as many clothes as possible around the cold spray.

Manhattan? More like Brooklyn.

Chicago? That town’s a little too rugged for you and me, bad girl. (Randy Newman, I love LA)

When the trend starts to put Southerners retiring on Long Island, I’ll start to give credibility to Yankees that hate the South.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:19 pm

Kamchak
October 13th, 2010
2:17 pm

Are you counting down to the election? Me too! :cool:

Independent J

October 13th, 2010
2:19 pm

So 2million people couldn’t be absorbed from the Private sector and put into jobs….huh! wonder why? must of been the whole attacky terroisty thangy that happened. remember when everyone froze up because we had no idea what was going to happen.. But that had to be W’s fault. Could it be that simple

JB

October 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

The main stream media will have one thing to blame for the November results, and it will be in code, so listen close…………….RACISTS………….Not Jobs, the economy, spending, oil spill mismanagement, Cap and trade, backing down to Russia on missile defense with Soviet union and GETTING NOTHING in return, Screwing generations of GM stock holders…..non of that silly stuff…….

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

“At least down here the rednecks act stupid and stick out so you know who to avoid.”

You Asked, LOL.

“Why do you never see hundreds of Acres being bulldozed up North to build houses making room for all the new Southerner’s moving in ?”

JB, my understanding from a previous co-worker who was from Connecticut was that ,”We are simply coming here to take what is rightfully ours.”

Being Kansas born and bred, I am an entertained but essentially neutral observer on such matters…

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
2:21 pm

I traveled up north a few times NE area and yeppers…two tons uh fun walking all over the place. And at the convenient stores you have these “2 buns with Creme” this with creme, that with creme. No wonder they are such fattys up there…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:21 pm

Nothing Is Free
October 13th, 2010
2:19 pm

Or as the late, great, Lewis Grizzard once said, “you won’t hear too many guys in a bar in Atlanta on a Friday night hollering “hot damn, I just got transferred to New Jersey”!”. Game, set, match.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
2:21 pm

Nothing Is Free
October 13th, 2010
2:02 pm
“Democrats come in and immediately start attacking capitalism and our consumer driven economy and when their attacks start to work, giving the government the opening to expand a little quicker than the Third Reich expanded during 1933, the democrats try to blame the Republicans.

It’s bad enough that they seem hell bent on destroying our economy for their own advances and their own power enhancements, but they should at least admit to what they are doing.”

Democrats are NOT attacking capitalism….but the ABUSES of capitalism!! Laissez-faire capitalism , because of the LACK of control, will ultimately consume itself….and only those with wealth can partake of its benefits!! If controls that protect the consumer are put in place, if policies that can eliminate SOME risk (note…risk is a part of the system!) are in force allowing ALL people to partake of the system, then economic GROWTH for ALL segments can occur! The middle class is SHRINKING…and has been since 2002!!

Independent J

October 13th, 2010
2:07 pm
“I agree HDB, so we will agree that Obamas policies will be blamed then for the last 2-4 yrs and into the the next 2 yrs….”

That is contingent upon which segment of society your POV comes from….and IF one has been positively/negatively affected!! Contingent on that stipulation, I agree with you!!

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”, much like Cynthia Tucker’s Pulitzer and Obama’s Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

“Better be careful. Logic is often frowned upon on this blog.”

Not the case with me….logical discussions bring forth reasoned AND passionate persuasions…not just pure emotional rants…and a modicum of civility!!

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
2:22 pm

Bert

Progression like Detroit? Cleveland? Toledo? LOL!!!

Poor pitiful Northerners.

it’s no one’s fault that you were stuck growing up in a cold, grey, rude wasteland.

I’ve seen the row houses. I’ve driven into and out of the pot holes that could swallow a truck. I’ve seen the poverty and crime caused by the labor unions.

The North progressive? LOL!!

Now that is rich.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:23 pm

AmVet
October 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

”We are simply coming here to take what is rightfully ours.”

Kind of like the Jews and Jerusalem? :cool:

Hobby

October 13th, 2010
2:23 pm

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
2:23 pm

But Cynthia is not fat…OH NO! Cynthia is S-E-X-Y SEXY!!

Bert

October 13th, 2010
2:24 pm

JB: Pick a side….how can you blame the government for GM, and talk about support republicans. GM was suppose to fail given the mismanagement and the inflate price of labor. C’mon, at least be consistent

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
2:25 pm

HDB

What has prevented anyone from taking part in the capitalistic system?

What was broken before that has ben fixed now. Please give specifics. I hear the rhetoric, but there is no substance.

I’m a small business owner. What has Obama done for me?

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
2:26 pm

Are you counting down to the election?

No.

JB

October 13th, 2010
2:26 pm

Don’t forget Obama care….you know, we’ve got to pass it to see what’s in it…………Think a repub would get a pass making a statement like that……….You know, most hard left are highly educated …. wonder what they think of having Dumba$$’s in charge of their party….??????

Bert

October 13th, 2010
2:27 pm

Nothing is Free: I was talking about progrssion in GA. I currently live in Columbus, OH; Detroit, Toledo, Dayton, Pittsburgh, Cleveland got the name of the “Rustbelt” in ‘81. Now let’s think who was in office? Who deregulated, and started using off-shore steel….can you tell me, Bueller???

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:27 pm

Kamchak
October 13th, 2010
2:26 pm

I just thought the “tick….tick…..tick” was in referenced to the liberal time bomb that is slated to go off in less than 3 weeks. :lol:

JB

October 13th, 2010
2:28 pm

Who said I’m a republican…….I’m sure you assume I’m a racist……i don’t assume you’re Gay.

Steve

October 13th, 2010
2:29 pm

Congress spends everything it has, and then some, during good times. During bad times, they spend even more trying to restore the good times. Some of the spending is beneficial, and some isn’t. The bottom line; however, is that this cycle of spending is a formula for financial disaster.

Bert

October 13th, 2010
2:29 pm

Health care reform is a nice divisive topic, but it hasn’t gone into effect yet. So why is it that people keep metioning it as if something bad has happened. talk to me in two years when you decide to drop your current health care for it

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
2:29 pm

I just thought the “tick….tick…..tick”…

Don’t think, meat; it can only hurt the ball-club.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:32 pm

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
2:29 pm

I’m not Brooks Conrad…. :cool: Nice try, though.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:33 pm

Kamchak
October 13th, 2010
2:29 pm

“meat”

That’s something AmVet uses a lot. Any “split personality” issues you care to share? :lol:

everyday American

October 13th, 2010
2:33 pm

the Democrats are right!! CHANGE is what we want!! so they shouldn’t be upset with changing the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank or John McCain, right??

and you gotta love the Democratic Senator from W Va on Obamacare,”yes i voted for it, but yes i do want to repeal most of it”..that is just too funny..

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
2:33 pm

Bert

Who did start using off shore steel? The auto industries that was run by what?

If you want to talk about what happened to the auto industry, it has nothing to do with off shore steel. It has everything to do with robotics.

A 1984 Toyota was built almost entirely by robots. The cars were good, solid, well made and if they were built on a Monday or a Friday, they would still be good cars.

So please. Since you know so much about it, tell me what the unions allow robotics to be used for in 2010 in American Car plants? It’s two things that are allowed to be done by robotics. They rest is done by non-caring, overpaid workers who get 15 minutes break for every hour of work. What are the two tasks that the unions allow?

JB

October 13th, 2010
2:34 pm

Yahoo came out with the top 40 cities for growth and excellent business climate for this decade ……Most of 40 had ONE thing in common…………………….OK, you guess it, Conservative government, low tax’s, friendly business climate, low unemployment ( employable population) and controlled spending with high bond ratings….No, Detroit was not on the list….
Get a clue people……

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
2:37 pm

Yeah, Lamp and with the same expected blowback…

And Kam’s meat reference is from the film, “Bull Durham”. It is not the same as my mystery meat moniker for the endless number of name-changing bloggers, who are lacking in spines…

“No wonder they are such fattys up there…”

CiS, inexplicably, you somehow must have missed the actual facts!

The top five states for obesity:

West Virginia – 34%
Kentucky – 32.8%
Mississippi – 32.7%
Arkansas – 32%
South Carolina – 31.1%

And other than Florida (15th) not one Dixie state is in the bottom 15 states for obesity rates…

HDB

October 13th, 2010
2:37 pm

Nothing Is Free
October 13th, 2010
2:25 pm

“What has prevented anyone from taking part in the capitalistic system?”

1) Capital – and the access to it!! Redlining still exists, although it IS illegal. The tightening of the banks’ lending isn’t helping

2) Employment…
3) Societal focus on “instant gratification” rather than long term
4) Education: In some places, the focus is on “test passing” rather than education….and the persistent conflict between public and private systems
5) Politics! Look at the discussiosn between conservatives and progressives…”moochers”, haves vs. have-nots; shrinking of the middle class

There’s a lot…..not saying that it can’t be overcome…but a person shelved with over $250K in school loans would have a more difficult time achieving success vs. someone with $1M given to them in a trust fund!!

What has been fixed? Not enough in my POV!
There is still discriminatory practices in employment has has yet to be addressed; educational funding is still an issue – particularly with school loans and full funding of NCLB….

What has been attempted? Much!

1) Health care system. The initial iteration will need refining…but elimination of pre-existing conditions is a good first step
2) Financial reform – sorely needed in the light of what has happened in the financial markets
3) Lily Ledbetter Act: Pay equity…..
4) Tax breaks for small business owners is a part of the stimulus package
5) Greater depreciation of equipment has been held up by the GOP in the Senate…that would help you…..

Just the beginning…..

everyday American

October 13th, 2010
2:38 pm

Bert, something bad has happened as far as health insurance. like i said before, my wife got her raise with a local school district from the stimulus, then the following week, was notified her/our premiums are going to almost double due to the new health care bill..so, all in all, she’s losing a couple of bucks..but, i guess this is a good thing, right?

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
2:38 pm

Amvet,
FACT-Obama said unemployment will not exeec 8% and millions of shovel ready jobs to be created….FACT-Unemployment 9.6-15% nationwide and Obama admits there is no such thing as a ’shovel ready job’….FACT-almost $1 trillion gone…is almost 2 years of factual info reasonable time to make a decision AmVet?
Obama is President NOW. These are HIS issues NOW. HIS policies are not working NOW. He just asked to double down on stimulus infrastructure again NOW. Bush is not NOW. LIBERAL DEMOCRAT RUN GOV’T IS NOW. People will be voting on Obama and liberal policy in November NOW. Tucker and all liberals can keep making excuses about what is going on NOW, but people are tired of hearing excuses about everyone who is to blame, except Obama, about what is going on NOW. Please respond to anything I have said today Tucker. My guess is you will not…..

JB

October 13th, 2010
2:39 pm

Unions killed the American Auto Industry……Not republicans……………$100,000 a year for 25 years of service, 60,000 pension, 12 weeks off every year with pay during model change, paid 80% or so of pay by union during strikes…………….Yea, hard to compete with Japan with those numbers

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:39 pm

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
2:37 pm

Yeah, well I bet most of the fat people in those states were originally from a northern state. :cool:

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
2:40 pm

Bert

- -Health care reform is a nice divisive topic, but it hasn’t gone into effect yet. So why is it that people keep metioning it as if something bad has happened. talk to me in two years when you decide to drop your current health care for it- -

Do you live in a cave? What healthcare are you talking about?

lots of it was enacted two weeks ago, and since it is also called the Insurance Companies Enrichment Act of 2010, the insurance companies have no restrictions of what they can charge for anything, including pre-existing conditions, except, now, no matter what the Insurance Companies want to charge a person because of preexisting conditions, they can and the person WILL BE FORCED TO PAY THE PREMIUMS, NO MATTER HOW LARGE THEY ARE.

90% of the bill simply expands medicaid. If you think anyone will drop real health insurance for medicaid, you are out of your mind.

EDUCATE THYSELF!!! Who knows, maybe an educated Bert might be well informed enough to be a Republican.

Bert

October 13th, 2010
2:41 pm

Nothing is free: If you knew just a little about the industry. car manufacturing is a small portion of the industry. You know that building you use to work in…what do you think it is made of

Bert

October 13th, 2010
2:43 pm

Nothing is free: Yes, certain parts of it was inacted two weeks ago, but you haven’t seen the cost hit you yet. You are complaining in anticipation. It’s like screaming ouch before it gets in

everyday American

October 13th, 2010
2:45 pm

i’m still trying to figure out why Barnes is running for Governor again, didn’t he get the memo, Dem’s want change!! not the same ole same ole..he’s already had his chance…

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
2:46 pm

UH Bert…The costs will be seen in your Jan 2011 renewal. Our open enrollment begins next month. One plan price increase by 18%. Another plan price increase by 12%. Over the counter meds no longer covered under FSA. Emergency room visits $85 now in lieu of $75.

Also we were notified to expect year over year double digit price increase due to The President Healthcare initiative.

Relax…yours is in the mail.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:46 pm

AmVet
October 13th, 2010
2:37 pm

Almost on a daily basis I see you griping about some anonymous poster “changing” their name. What’s up with that? Is your first name “Am” and surname “Vet” and you think everyone else should do that? I just don’t understand the anger. Most posters on here wouldn’t go within a hundred miles of using anything remotely like their real name.

Also, does the opposing opinion truly anger you that much? I mean, do you get into a political conversation with friends and say “ol leg lamp really ticked me off today”, or “my buddy Kamchak was right on the money with his 3:15 comment”?

These posts are nothing but entertainment. I doubt if anyone holding strong convictions would come on this board and change their convictions based on a post by an ananomous person. At least those with TRUE convictions (like you and me) wouldn’t change.

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
2:47 pm

FACT-Obama said unemployment will not exeec[sic] 8%

Someone just told a whopper.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
2:48 pm

Nothing Is Free
October 13th, 2010
2:40 pm

“talk to me in two years when you decide to drop your current health care for it-…”

What about when your company DROPS your coverage because of your pre-existing condition? Where’s the default value here?? I have a good friend whose company dropped HIM because he went on disability due to renal failure. He was employed…and was paying his company-rated insurance premiums when the COMPANY dropped HIM!! His only option IS Medicare/Medicaid!! He can’t get any other insurance because of the premim rate!! Had another friend who just recently died…her rates were over $3000/mo….and when she developed stage 4 breast cancer….

Need we say more??

There MUST be a default insurance coverage for those who are unemployed or who can’t afford BCBS….and since too many here decry UNIVERSAL coverage….a REPUBLICAN idea (Teddy Roosevelt and Mitt Romney)…what would YOU suggest??

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
2:49 pm

Interestingly the best Colleges and Universities are located up north.

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
2:49 pm

Without any response to any of my posts today Tucker, I will take that as you are another far left Liberal who adds nothing to the public discourse except hot air, or is it co2, or is it global warming/climate change/ or is it global climate disruption. Which term have you chosen to adopt at this point Tucker? My point being, if YOU stop talking, you will reduce ‘whatever you want to call it’ by half…your silence speaks volumes ma’am…

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
2:49 pm

HDB

It’s a scam:

1) Health care system. The initial iteration will need refining…but elimination of pre-existing conditions is a good first step

there are no restrictions on what the insurance companies can charge for insuring people with pre-existing conditions, except now the person HAS TO PAY WHATEVER THE INSURANCE COMPANIES DECIDE TO CHARGE. Is that better? Not even close, but instead, much worse.

2) Financial reform – sorely needed in the light of what has happened in the financial markets

That was backed by the largest banks in the country, and you believe it is for the people and not the banks? Have you bounced a check since the bill was passed? Suntrust (which I love compared to BOA) now charges $36 for bounced checks when they charged 30 before the bill.

3) Lily Ledbetter Act: Pay equity…..

Nobody has jobs.

4) Tax breaks for small business owners is a part of the stimulus package

I’m a small business owner. Didn’t happen. My taxes are a lot higher this year and my accountant says to bend over for next year.

5) Greater depreciation of equipment has been held up by the GOP in the Senate…that would help you…..

Actually, I’m a C-Corp, not an S. I write if off when I buy it. But right now, I can’t afford to buy a lottery ticket.

I know you have a good heart, but this is garbage. It has been an out and out assault on business since 2007.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:49 pm

Kamchak
October 13th, 2010
2:47 pm

I guess that depends on what your definition of the word “said” is. (thanks Bill). ;)

everyday American

October 13th, 2010
2:49 pm

i guess you’re right, it hasn’t hit yet. BUT we were notified that it will in exactly two weeks..close enough..

Billybob

October 13th, 2010
2:51 pm

Kamchak,
Don’t waste my time….

HDB

October 13th, 2010
2:52 pm

Cynthia Is Sexy!!
October 13th, 2010
2:46 pm
“Also we were notified to expect year over year double digit price increase….”

Wasn’t this happening BEFORE Obama got into the White House?? I was seeing 20-30% increases under Bush every year (contingent on the coverages I chose!)…..but now, the increase in my open enrollment is just at 10%…..and that is with the HMO option……

Bert

October 13th, 2010
2:53 pm

Cynthia is Sexy: I have seen the increase since 2006, so please explain those cost increases. Health care cost have been increasing exponetial for the last 10 years; however, we on find time to talk about it when it suits our partisan politics.

everyday American

October 13th, 2010
2:53 pm

according to Obama, a C-Corp and an S-Corp are in the same bracket as a Marine Corp…with an emphasis on the ‘P’…

Kamchak

October 13th, 2010
2:55 pm

Kamchak,
Don’t waste my time….

Obama never said it, sport.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
2:55 pm

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
2:49 pm
Interestingly the best Colleges and Universities are located up north.

Hold on there….there are some GREAT schools here in the South!

Engineering: Georgia Tech, Texas, Tennessee and Florida State
Medical: Duke, Emory, FSU, Florida, LSU, Meharry
Agriculture: UGA, Auburn

That’s a start…..

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
2:56 pm

We had increases but not to this extent…plan % increases and not double digits. Emergency room visit hasnt increased in years. The FSA over the counter purchase elimination is new. I also belive Obama doesnt want FSA deductions allowances over $500, however, I could be wrong on that one.

SO…add to that the Obama tax increase/elimination of the Bush tax cuts (possibility) and thats a HUGE double whammy. Now this will really hurt the families making say $30K to $55K…they just got a royal screwing.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
2:57 pm

“according to Obama, a C-Corp and an S-Corp are in the same bracket as a Marine Corp…”

AHH HAHHAAAA!! LMAO!

Bert

October 13th, 2010
2:58 pm

Nothing is free: If your taxes were higher, you either made more money, or you need a new accountant.

ODDOWL

October 13th, 2010
2:59 pm

The stimulus bill created more then three million permanent jobs. source; Congressional budget office. President Barack Obama and the Democrats have created more jobs in the last two years then the Bush/Cheney Regime created in eight years. That’s a fact based on the preponderance of the evidence. A vote for a Republican candidate is a vote for a double dip recession/depression.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
2:59 pm

willie lynch

The North is a great place to become a book worm.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
2:59 pm

Good ol Joe. BAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

“BIDEN: Dems not running on administration’s accomplishments because ‘it’s just too hard to explain’…”

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
3:00 pm

A friend of mine is covered by one of the larger healthcare providers in Georgia. A couple of years ago that provider came in and told them that their plan was changing from the standard co-pay set up to a threshold based yearly number determined by some convoluted system. Needless to say after seeking treatment recently and being billed $1500.00 he was told by the insurance company they would pay $500.00 and he would be on the hook for the other $1000.00.

If after paying $200.00 a month for coverage this is how it shakes out, then I’m all in favor of a healthcare overhaul.

Bert

October 13th, 2010
3:00 pm

Families of four making 30-55K don’t pay taxes. 55K for a family of four is justly slightly above 200% of the poverty line

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
3:00 pm

“The stimulus bill created more then three million permanent jobs. source; Congressional budget office”

Well when the CBO gets the actual ObamaCare costs figured out then lettuce know. The CBO is for SHYT…try again friend.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
3:01 pm

Obama just has this kind of effect on people.

“Rove-backed group raised $13M since attacks from Obama”

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
3:01 pm

ODDOWL

Temp jobs and/or government jobs which we all have to pay for are not the solution.

A vote for democrats is obvious. They haven’t done anything right so far. Do you really think they will change?

Democrats: Hurting millions to help dozens.

Bert

October 13th, 2010
3:02 pm

I am starting to realize where I have heard the tone of this argument before…I think it was when we invade Iraq (the second time). Everyone was for it. Now everybody thinks it wasa bad idea. I wonder if this will be the reverse.

Bert

October 13th, 2010
3:02 pm

I am starting to realize where I have heard the tone of this argument before…I think it was when we invade Iraq (the second time). Everyone was for it. Now everybody thinks it wasa bad idea. I wonder if this will be the reverse.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
3:02 pm

Well I dont know about all that…who pays and who doesnt. I certainly do though. Bottom line. The families even if they dont pay taxes just received less coverage/benefits for more dollars.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
3:03 pm

A big factor in the north versus south debate is something that many people in this generation don’t understand, or completely fail to take into account, and that is the damage done to the south during reconstruction. I’m not taking one side or the other, but if you ever get a chance, look at just how far behind reconstruction forced the south. Again, this isn’t pro-slavery, or anti-Yankee, I’m merely stating historical fact.

Bert

October 13th, 2010
3:04 pm

It’s like the guy whose house burned down over $75. If you don’t pay, how can you complain about the results. Welcome to capitalism

HDB

October 13th, 2010
3:04 pm

Nothing Is Free
October 13th, 2010
2:49 pm

Understand your POV (thanks for the “good heart”!); what I’d been advocating for a while is this:

1) Government-run baseline HMO; major medical/catastrophic coverage by insurance….subsidized contingent to income levels
2) Two year FREEZE on federal spending; complete cost-benefit analysis run to determine where saving could occur
3) Education spending be consigned to Dept of Education for higher education
4) Veterans should be allowed to attend school for free – no matter what era because of their service
5) Consolidation of areas in the Defense Deptartment (Logistics, procurement….)
6) Merging of HHS, HUD into one HHS!
7) Infrastructure spending to commence
8) Dept of Education become a private/public consortium to address educational issues……

Opinion??

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
3:04 pm

“BIDEN: Dems not running on administration’s accomplishments because ‘it’s just too hard to explain’…”

No doubt Biden doesnt understand. He is such a good comedian!!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

Gee, I’m sooooo glad we have someone as smart as him to help teleprompt, er, uh, I mean explain this. :roll:

“OBAMA: DC’s ‘lightning fast’ news cycle confuses Americans… “

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

HDB,

I know this. But for all the talk of what the North isn’t I thought we might need to shed some light on where the nations preeminent Colleges and Universities reside.

Nothing,

And the problem is?

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

everyday American

It cost a lot more to become a C-Corp, but in the words of my accountant,” nobody in Washington gives a damn about small businesses so they will treat the s-corp folks like farm animals. C-Corps are for big business: the people with lobbyist and tickets to the SuperBowl to be given away. Those tax advantages are rock solid. He was right about that.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
3:07 pm

Well, Biden says the administration’s accomplishments are too hard to explain, and Obama says that the DC news cycle confuses Americans. He also said that there is so much information out there that it is a distraction. This is what they think of us.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
3:07 pm

“OBAMA: DC’s ‘lightning fast’ news cycle confuses Americans… “

He’s right…We need Daddy – Ayetoolah – Obama to splain thinks tu us dumb bunnies.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
3:08 pm

willie lynch

No problem if you want to spend your life where you can die for taking a walk outside in December.

Personally, I like to swim, to keep myself in great shape, to be around smart, active people who are always positive and friendly, i.e. the North has nothing to offer me.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
3:08 pm

Real surprise here, right?

MTV: Obama town hall not political; no equal time for GOP…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

October 13th, 2010
3:09 pm

Yet another shocker.

MTV ‘Pressuring Employees’ to Attend Jon Stewart’s Political Rally…

Bert

October 13th, 2010
3:09 pm

Nothing is Free: Undoubtedly seen too many TV cop shows

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
3:09 pm

HD8

Agree on 2 thru 6. Combine ATF/DEA.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
3:11 pm

willie lynch

– If after paying $200.00 a month for coverage this is how it shakes out, then I’m all in favor of a healthcare overhaul.- -

So please be specific and tell me how Obama Care fixes any of that.

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
3:11 pm

Good Grief,

Where else might we apply this historical fact?

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

October 13th, 2010
3:11 pm

“Jon Stewart’s Political Rally”

Stewart is just such a butthole, along with Bill Maher and that idiot that addressed something on The Hill…Stephon Colbert or Tolbert?

They arent even comical…just dumb.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
3:13 pm

Bert

I’ve worked on a few TV Cops shows, but have seen very few.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
3:18 pm

willie lynch
October 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

Having been on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line….and educated likewise (undergrad – Georgia (Columbus State), grad – Univ of St Thomas/Minnesota), there’s positives AND negatives! To compare academic programs…GT is the number 6 engineering school in the nation and FSU is right behind it!! You’re right in that the prepondernace of the “prestigious” schools are northern schools…just didn’t want you to sell certain southern schools short!

everyday American

October 13th, 2010
3:18 pm

hey Ms. Tucker, on a serious note, how do you feel about this,,a really close friend of mine is a project manager for a firm that builds schools(and he has been wide open for the last few years), BUT, ALL of the furniture(desks,lockers,chairs etc..) come from Russia or some other Asian countries. You think that’s right? it would help a lot more if some that stimulus money was MADE to be used here, in the good ole United States, instead of purchasing the epuipment from over-seas..oh, lets not count most of the illegal work force that is used also…

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
3:21 pm

Nothing,

We haven’t seen it yet. The Obama healthcare plan has not been put into effect and it’s being assailed by the right. But many on the right won’t speak to what we have actually seen as a results of 8 years of disasterous economic policy from the previous administration.

It makes conversation difficult.

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
3:23 pm

Nothing,

I’m always amazed at how many people die on Lake Lanier every year. ???

HDB

October 13th, 2010
3:26 pm

Cynthia Is Sexy!!
October 13th, 2010
3:09 pm
“HDB: Agree on 2 thru 6. Combine ATF/DEA.”

Let’s just combine it all with the FBI; shift some of the functions of the CIA into the Defense Department…….

Nothing Is Free October 13th, 2010
3:08 pm
“willie lynch

No problem if you want to spend your life where you can die for taking a walk outside in December.

Personally, I like to swim, to keep myself in great shape, to be around smart, active people who are always positive and friendly, i.e. the North has nothing to offer me.”

Depends on where you speak! I’ve found some of the friendliest people in the “craziest” places: Minneapolis, Des Moines..and Chicago!! Wasn’t afraid to be out or about in the neighborhood….just COLD in the winter!!

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
3:27 pm

HDB

Not bad.

1) Government-run baseline HMO; major medical/catastrophic coverage by insurance….subsidized contingent to income levels

I work for ambulance chasers but I hate what they do. You gotta include tort reform. It doesn’t mean that doctors can’t be sued, but look at this latest hip replacement mistake by some company owned by J&J. The wolves are circling.

Gotta be careful of the income level thing. If it is free for that guy, it needs to be free for this guy. I’ll pay my taxes, but not for a free ride for people too lazy to work. I won’t pay premium insurance rates for me and pay taxes for his coverage.

2) Two year FREEZE on federal spending; complete cost-benefit analysis run to determine where saving could occur

Great idea, but like every time it has been tried, the party in charge gets to make the exceptions.

3) Education spending be consigned to Dept of Education for higher education

No. The system is broken. We need a complete refunding method for our schools. Poor kids go to the worst schools. THat has to stop before we ever improve our country.

4) Veterans should be allowed to attend school for free – no matter what era because of their service

Amen.

5) Consolidation of areas in the Defense Deptartment (Logistics, procurement….)

Good idea, but again, the pentagon don’t take orders very well.

6) Merging of HHS, HUD into one HHS!

Not bad, but honestly don’t know that much about what each organization does.

7) Infrastructure spending to commence
Dept of Education become a private/public consortium to address educational issues……

Federal Infrastructure is very limited to the Interstate Highway System and power grid stuff. Most infrastructure financing is local.

But overall, not bad. It would just be almost impossible to get what you want passed, but my ideas would be just about as popular.

In order to offer suggestions that politicians will adopt, there has to be an angle for the politicians, and you are simply talking about the good of the people and not the good of the politician.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
3:31 pm

willie lynch

The economic policies of the Republicans went away with the strong economy in 2007.

When people insist on grouping all eight years of the Bush Administration into one thought instead of understanding who was making the laws during the horrible downturn on 2007-2008, they lose credibility.

Let’s talk about Bush’s first six years compared to his last two.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
3:33 pm

HDB

Oh, the best women are from the midwest. Tall, long legged, soft spoken.

I think most people refer to the NorthEast as the north.

Nothing Is Free

October 13th, 2010
3:37 pm

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

- -They arent even comical…just dumb.- -

Dumb is the new smart. Look at what Jon Stewart has done just by rolling his eyes.

Informative, intelligent commentary is for boring Republicans.

Democrats want to be the hippest of the hip and right now that means the dumbest of the dumb.

And don’t they just shine at it?

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
3:42 pm

Nothing,

A slow steady drip of water can carve a path through rock. The economic collapse didn’t start in 07 the first signs were in 03.

Loss of credibility? I don’t think so.

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
3:45 pm

It is widely known that the fake family value prudes and puritanical cons should never make any assessments, evaluations. etc regarding anything connected to comedy.

They simply do not get it.

How else can one explain Dennis Miller?

ctucker

October 13th, 2010
3:48 pm

Nothing is Free@3:31, What laws changed in 2007-2008 to make the economy bad? Name two.

HDB

October 13th, 2010
3:49 pm

Nothing Is Free
October 13th, 2010
3:27 pm

Problem I have with tort reform is that you’re taking the judgment away from juries and giving it to the power brokers!! If the evidence presented makes the corporation pay, let the jury decide!!

The reason I went with income levels is that it does place responsibility WITH the individual! No one has to motivate me about wanting to work…I’m MISERABLE when I’m unemployed!!

Local education needs a more consistent funding source…and it’s broken; that I admit to…..I was focusing on higher education because it’s unconscionable how a person can be saddled with over $250K in school loan debt….be expected to be able to pay it back on an income of less than $50K….and that’s the only job he could get in this economic climate!!

When it comes to local education, the focus needs to shift from teaching the test to teaching the COURSE for logic and comprehension!! Discipline problems need to be removed and alternative educational facilities be created for those issues. Also….a different paradigm needs to be invoked; not just emphasis on college…but vocational and industrial education for those who don’t desire to go to college!!

BTW…understand the Swedish influence in the Midwest…particularly in Minnesota and Wisconsin…. :)

HDB

October 13th, 2010
3:50 pm

NiF…that’s why the women are as they are…but they DO have tempers!! Don’t sell then short…. :)

HDB

October 13th, 2010
3:51 pm

willie lynch

October 13th, 2010
3:42 pm
Nothing,

A slow steady drip of water can carve a path through rock. The economic collapse didn’t start in 07 the first signs were in 03.

Willie…for me..and many like me, the first sign was 9/11/2001!!

AmVet

October 13th, 2010
4:00 pm

In an interview with The Associated Press, VP Cheney also said that Bush has no need to apologize for not foreseeing the economic crisis.

“I don’t think anybody saw it coming,” he said.

One of the many major idiots, and arguably the loathsome leader of the lame brained Bush apologists, in the fiscally irresponsible GOP.

The one that devastated millions of American families…

Mongo

October 13th, 2010
4:33 pm

Hey Nothing Is Free, you keep whining about how the mean old Democrats “attacked” small business in 2007.
Care to name the legislation they passed (and your wet-dream of a president, Bush, had to have signed) that did this? Or, like most Connies, don’t you let facts get in the way of your BS?

Mongo

October 13th, 2010
4:41 pm

“How else can one explain Dennis Miller?”

Dennis WAS funny until 9/11. It scared him so badly he had to cling to Bush for comfort so he would stop wetting the bed.

Good Grief

October 13th, 2010
4:44 pm

HDB @ 3:51 – “A slow steady drip of water can carve a path through rock. The economic collapse didn’t start in 07 the first signs were in 03. ”

So, you’re not going to shift any of the blame to the housing market under Clinton, where it was decided that living the American Dream was more important than being able to afford the American Dream?

HDB

October 13th, 2010
5:18 pm

Good Grief
October 13th, 2010
4:44 pm

If you’re going with the repeal of Glass-Stegall that cut the financial markets loose with no control…then yes…along with Phil Gramm and Jim Leach!!

Too many people keep blaming the CRA..but that’s hogwash!! All the CRA did was to get the banks to lend money in the communities they SERVED!! Note how many branched of certain banks CLOSED rather than to serve minority clients!!

Lil' Barry Bailout

October 13th, 2010
6:14 pm

How many jobs did the Republicans create under our President Bush?

I don’t know, but it was enough to keep the unemployment rate below what it has been in every month of the Idiot Messiah regime.

Joe

October 13th, 2010
7:14 pm

If it did so well why are the dem candidates not running on it Tucker…. It seems to me they are running away from it as they are all of Obama’s policies…. I understand that you and other so called elites think you know better than the rest of us but when you add up this cost it don’t make sense. They promised unemployment wouldn’t reach 8%. It reached double freaking digits for the first time in decades under Obama’s watch….

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

October 13th, 2010
8:03 pm

THANK GOD FOR LINCOLN AND BRING JEFF DAVIS BACK TO LIFE SO I CAN WHIP HIS @$$!

Ben of Gainesville

October 14th, 2010
8:39 am

The tax cuts you speak of was a ruse. There was no tax cut. The income tax rates for 2009 never changed. The extra money people took home was from a reduction in the withholding rate, the same amount of tax was still due when the tax return was filed. There was just less withholding there to apply to the tax due. The IRS even sent out a notice through the media advising people of this fact. It was another smoke screen from the Obama administration.

tester

October 14th, 2010
9:18 am

Just so we’re fair, BOTH parties