GOP wants to repeal health care law. But it cuts the deficit!

The GOP’s “Pledge to America” contains a provision dear to the hearts of House Minority Leader John Boehner and Republicans everywhere: Repeal that noxious health care law! It’s socialized medicine! It’s going to bankrupt the country! It was crammed down the throats of the people! It is a re-distributionist plan to take away from hardworking real Americans to give to the lazy do-nothing free-loaders, many of whom are illegal aliens!

Did I cover everything? Oh, I forgot one objection: It’s a Nazi plot!

OK. Now I’ve covered everything. So Boehner can explain all that to the parents of young adults who are now able to put carry their 24-year-olds on their policies. He can explain that to the diabetics and depressed workers who haven’t been able to get coverage because of pre-existing conditions. He can explain that to the parents of chronically ill young children whose health coverage will now run out because Boehner’s repeal will bring back lifetime caps.

Oh, and one more thing: Boehner can explain to all the Americans who are worried about the deficit where he will find the $4 trillion that the Affordable Health Care Act is expected to shave off the deficit over the next 20 years, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

From the WaPo:

I’ve got some good news for deficit hawks: This year, Congress passed legislation reducing the deficit by about $125 billion over the next 10 years. But, as they say on the infomercials, that’s not all! The bill cuts the deficit by $1.3 trillion in the second decade. That more than pays for every dollar we’ve spent on stimulus since 2008. It also sets up a new — and credible — system to keep Medicare’s costs under control. So, hear that, fiscal conservatives? Hear that, bond markets? This is progress, baby. We’ll lick our deficit problem yet.

The bill in question, of course, is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, better known as health-care reform. The numbers come from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. But as always, there’s a catch: The savings arrive only if the policies behind the savings are allowed to do their jobs. And in the GOP’s zeal to repeal a bill it considers a deficit-increasing nightmare, Republicans are focusing their fire on the parts they should like: The cost controls.

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Peadawg

September 24th, 2010
10:38 am

“But it cuts the deficit!”

And will cause your premiums to sky rocket even faster than they have before. Enjoy your new premiums everyone! (And before anyone asks yes I do know they’ve been going up for years but this bill will make it even worse). Enjoy!

Pull My Finger

September 24th, 2010
10:40 am

39 more days!! :)

HavocMaker

September 24th, 2010
10:42 am

CT –
Do you have any comment on the fact that several insurers are planning to stop selling child only policies in the areas where they can due to provisions of the health care reform that went into affect on Thursday?

I thought this was supposed to bring affordable healthcare to America and now it seems that it is being taken away.

HavocMaker

Kamchak

September 24th, 2010
10:43 am

39 more days!!

Then what?

Tommy Maddox

September 24th, 2010
10:45 am

“Do it for the children!”

Lady please…

hdhd

September 24th, 2010
10:45 am

“educing the deficit by about $125 billion over the next 10 years” since the bill is good through 2020 but coverage does not start until 2014. Cuts the deficit over 10 years for 6 years of coverage as many of the “money saving” measures started immediately. For 10 years of coverage it would raise the deficit over 10 years. Fancy footwork there by the Dems.

Reports are out, not only will you be paying more taxes to fund this debacle, but you will be paying more for helathcare you already have.

Peadawg

September 24th, 2010
10:47 am

HavocMaker, not to mentioned all the insanely high premiums hikes they are requesting so they cover all these new people.

hdhd

September 24th, 2010
10:48 am

And so what if it “reduces the deficit?”

“We should kill all people on welfare.” A terrible, horrendous thought. But, it reduces the deficit. Give me a break.

HavocMaker

September 24th, 2010
10:48 am

Peadawg -
Exactly. And from what I read they are doing it because they want to stay competitive in the 10 or so markets where they offered those programs.

Crazy…..

commoncents

September 24th, 2010
10:48 am

Bubba Bob

September 24th, 2010
10:49 am

It’s the greatest piece of legislation. So thought out in every detail that it can’t fail! Who cares if it was rushed through and hardly read. It will save our health care system!

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

September 24th, 2010
10:50 am

At 24, a young adult should be able to have their own insurance. This 2000 page boondoggle will be repealed. The US is not and never will be a socialist nanny state in spite of the effort by the current administration. Paid for by the taxpayer health care is not a right, it is a wrong.

Mr Right

September 24th, 2010
10:51 am

If you really believe that it cuts the deficit you need your head checked out!

Big D

September 24th, 2010
10:51 am

Kam…
I will be the first one to say I hated what the Bush years did to our economy and security,
but compared what this nincompoop has done it is painfully obvious we would rather have that back…that’s your answer.

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
10:52 am

The Health Care companies can’t drop a client for preexisting conditions, but there are no limits on what they can charge, but now they will be FORCED to pay whatever the insurance companies want.

Sure. we’ll cover you even though you already have cancer, but it’s going to cost you a million a year in premiums, (even though your treatments this year will cost less than $10,000), and thanks to the Health Care Companies Enrichment Act (Obamacare), you HAVE to pay the premiums.

WHAT AN REAL BLESSING FOR AMERICA!!!!!

Kamchak

September 24th, 2010
10:53 am

…a socialist nanny state…

I see that some one got there brand new, mail ordered, conservative phrase-of-the-day calendar.

Peadawg

September 24th, 2010
10:54 am

Nothing is Free,

And it’s sad that Obama doesn’t realize what’s really going to happen.

Mallory

September 24th, 2010
10:55 am

Had Obama and his democlaps gone with incremental changes, they wouldn’t be in the fix they’re in.

commoncents

September 24th, 2010
10:55 am

So… based on assumptions, this will save us 125 billion this decade, 1.3 trillion the second decade and 300 quadrillion the third decade? Of course, these numbers only work if everything happens exactly as they predict.

They can’t accurately tell you the weather for next week, and we’re going to assume they can predict our habits/trends/policies for the next 20 years?

Big D

September 24th, 2010
10:56 am

Peadawg….
The scary thing is…I believe he does know.

Sundawg

September 24th, 2010
10:56 am

The American public shouldnt be forced to buy into something that they dont want. This entire healthcare bill will only create more taxes and will drive out competition among doctors. Specialized taxes have already kicked in and now my dad is not getting the chemo that he needs because the doctors cant afford to pay the specialty tax associated with chemo. Yea this is turning out to be realy great isnt it.

The Nerve

September 24th, 2010
10:56 am

I believe it said repeal the current and replace it with somethign that actually makes sense. I don’t believe it was repeal and not replace with something. Maybe somethign that our esteemed leaders will actually read first.

But even if that isn’t the case, repeal it. Now. It was irresonsible at best and criminal at worst they way it was done.

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
10:56 am

Peadawg

- -And it’s sad that Obama doesn’t realize what’s really going to happen.- -

I hope you are being sarcastic. The man is not stupid. If “The Great Unwashed” on a blog in Georgia can figure it out, you can bet that the people who wrote the bill knows what it will do.

FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THIS COUNTRY . . . Apparently the change will destroy our economy and make sure there is no middle class left. Nothing but elitists and their very large plantation.

Kamchak

September 24th, 2010
10:57 am

…but compared what this nincompoop has done it is painfully obvious we would rather have that back…

And if this election cycle doesn’t meet your expectations?

Will Glenn Beck have a national “Let’ all collectively cry in our beer” pity party at the national mall in D.C.?

A Lumpkin Resident

September 24th, 2010
10:57 am

First it is highly debatable that it will cut the deficit IF it is followed completely. But it depends on cuts to Medicare, and Congress has been unwilling to cut Medicare. Unless those cuts are made, this will NOT cut the deficit. Thus, this “cuts the deficit” crap is a A Democratic Party Lie.

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
11:00 am

Kamchak

Nothing to do with Glen Beck.

Don’t pull this crap of trying to demonize somebody to avoid talking about the subject.

Try to stay with the conversation and still defend these monsters and what they are doing.

this is not about Glenn Beck. This is about THE PEOPLE THAT YOU INSIST ON SUPPORTING.

Gator Joe

September 24th, 2010
11:00 am

Cynthia,
The “Pledge” is a meaningless, simplistic message with even less substance than a sound bite.
What the Republicans, the Tea Party, the Right and their followers are overlooking is that they will unlikely achieve veto or filibuster proof majorities. Are they so delusional as to believe they can change, or pass, anything? Republicans in congress have shown Democrats how they should behave if Republicans win majorities (maybe) in the house and senate, and that is to obstruct and filibuster. Oh, and for at least two more years, veto their bad legislation.

Big D

September 24th, 2010
11:00 am

Kam…
No….we will have learned how to fire their butts.
This is not just about firing Democrats…it’s about putting in people who will do OUR business and not THEIRS.

Peadawg

September 24th, 2010
11:00 am

” If “The Great Unwashed” on a blog in Georgia can figure it out, you can bet that the people who wrote the bill knows what it will do.”

If they do know, then why do they keep lying to the American people saying this will lower everyone’s premiums? And the funny things is people like Cynthia believe them.

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
11:01 am

A Lumpkin Resident

Even if they would cut Medicare, it will still add 30 million onto medicaid and the fed will have to pick up all the added expense. How on earth is that going to reduce anything?

Pull My Finger

September 24th, 2010
11:03 am

Wait and see, Kamchak…………….

Big D

September 24th, 2010
11:03 am

Gator and Kam…
Go and hide in the closet with your lap top and it will not stop what is happening…
This is a movement of the people and by the people.

Bubba Bob

September 24th, 2010
11:03 am

“I hope you are being sarcastic. The man is not stupid. If “The Great Unwashed” on a blog in Georgia can figure it out, you can bet that the people who wrote the bill knows what it will do. ”

So 1.5 years before the market crashed my broker had me out of the market. Lots of the “great unwashed” were talking about a crash but the great economists of the world missed it.

Somehow I’m supposed to think Obama has it all figured out and we can trust what he says. That’s lunacy. He’s a community organizer who has never held a real job in his life. He has almost no experience doing anything but somehow he has all the answers? He’s the Democratic version of Sarah Palin! Looks good but no substance…

Kamchak

September 24th, 2010
11:03 am

Swampy nowhere man

Don’t pull this crap of trying to demonize somebody to avoid talking about the subject.

Try to stay with the conversation and still defend these monsters and what they are doing.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I work for you.

This is about THE PEOPLE THAT YOU INSIST ON SUPPORTING.

I supported Juan McSame in the last election cycle, sport. Do try to keep up.

And as a rule—those sitting at the kids table need to raise their hand for permission to speak.

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
11:04 am

Gator Joe

Bla, bla, bla, bla.

Let’s talk about the Health Care Bill (The Insurance Company Enrichment Act)

Can you defend it or do you just want to keep spouting talking points that mean nothing?

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
11:05 am

Kamchak

You always end up looking like a fool. Perhaps if you have the stones to defend the people that you insist on supporting, you wouldn’t appear to be such a brainless troll.

Just trying to help. If you want to whine about Glenn Beck, knock yourself out.

Kamchak

September 24th, 2010
11:07 am

Just trying to help.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that you are actually useful.

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
11:08 am

Bubba Bob

They aren’t shooting in the dark. The people that pumped millions into Obama’s campaign will make billions. He stinks of corruption.

Mike K

September 24th, 2010
11:09 am

@ctucker
Yesterday you stated that the health care law reduces the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years. Today, you’re stating that it reduces the deficit by $4 trillion over an unspecified period of time and that it will reduce the deficit by $125 billion over the next 10 years and another $1.3 trillion over the following 10 years. Where are you getting the $4 trillion number? I really don’t see it in what you wrote.

On a separate point, Obamacare – meaning his new health care program does not cut the deficit. It increases the deficit. The health care bill packaged Obamacare with cuts in Medicare and tax increases. The combined impact of those two policies decreases the deficit by more than Obamacare increases the deficit. I’m not sure if the Republicans are talking about getting rid of the new taxes and the cuts in Medicare, along with Obamacare.

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
11:09 am

Kamchak

I would only be useful if you were smart enough to follow my advise.

But I understand your point. When you have no more insight than you, perhaps whining about Beck and McCain is the best you can do.

Troll on, Mcduff and damn be he that trolls enough.

Big D

September 24th, 2010
11:10 am

NIF…Look where he learned his chops…
The heart of corruption in this country…Chicago.
You do know why they call it the windy city…every body is full of hot air.

Need to move to Consumer Directed Health Plans

September 24th, 2010
11:11 am

Forget what Washington is trying to do or not do around healthcare. There is a growing trend among Employers to implement full replacement Consumer Directed Healthcare Programs (CDHP). These programs, driven by account based plans like HSAs or HRAs, allow the healthcare consumers (us) the ability to make educated healthcare decisions while allowing the Employer to lower his or her overall healthcare cost. Employers and their employees are beginning to reap the benefits of these programs when they are designed correctly. To implement and account based plan is simply not enough. Employers who understand these plans also wrap Wellness programs, Supplemental Health programs, Employee Communication and Education programs, around the account based HSA or HRA to help better manage the health and well-being of their employee poulation around the account based plan.

At the end of the day, Employers reduce their overall healthcare cost and their Employees gain the ability to make the healthcare decisions that are best for themselves and their families.You will never get control of cost until the consumer is responsible for their healthcare decisions.

AFret

September 24th, 2010
11:13 am

Allowing children to use their parents coverage up to age 24 is just plain STUPID! Now the Obama kids and the children of Congress can use the American people to provide them insurance coverage at our expense until they reach 24. People need to acquire their own coverage at the legal age of 18. If someone can vote, they can get insured. $4 trillion expected to be saved? What a moronic comment! How can anyone predict expected savings on something that has not even been implemented?

Depressed workers? The ones depressed are the ones without jobs! What’s the National unemployment up to since the self appointed Savior was elected?

eddy

September 24th, 2010
11:15 am

The present healthcare system may be broken in some areas. Why not fix those rather than create a monstrosity that Obama and his minions haven’t read? Will be unaffordable for many and many will lose their existing healthcare “cause the small businesses will not be able to afford the grand and glorious new Obamacare. Really makes sense but only to those blind, dumb and stupid people who obediently follow the DEMS or REPUBS. No thought required for those people and unfortunately they still vote. Let’s see…want to put odds on how 99.9 % of blacks vote.

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
11:19 am

Need to move to Consumer Directed Health Plans

I’ve been preaching about transparent pricing in health care for months.

There are several companies out there racing to implement these ideas and they will work whether this horrible act stays in place or not. However this will make such a huge difference in health care, we really don’t need the bill, in any form.

CAPITALISM WORKS!! Government does not work.

Nice Guy

September 24th, 2010
11:20 am

“$4 trillion that the Affordable Health Care Act is expected to shave off the deficit ”

Please direct your attention to the word ‘expected’, that’s guvment speak for “it ain’t gonna happen.”

ByteMe

September 24th, 2010
11:22 am

Hmm… hung up in moderation and I didn’t even say a bad word.

Halftrack

September 24th, 2010
11:23 am

CT, The budget is not going to be reduced. Common sense tells you that if benefits are increased someone is going to have to pay for it. Remember, there really is no free lunch because it costs someone in the food chain to pay for it. In several years with 30 more million coming on board, who is going to pay for this. Unless jobs are created, no one is even going to be able to afford health insurance, period. Soon the government will have to subsidize the doctors and hospitals to stay open. Where then will the tax money come from?

carlosgvv

September 24th, 2010
11:23 am

They only way to understand Republican actions is to know they are owned lock stock and wallet by the Big Corporations. Our military is run by the government. Does that mean we have a socialized military? If so, what is wrong with socialized medicine? Yelling “socialized” is just a cheap way to con the mindless Republican masses.

Nothing Is Free

September 24th, 2010
11:24 am

Nice Guy

Something that MS Tucker will never discuss is the Doctor’s Reimbursement Act that was kept separate fro the health bill because that would prove that the bill will never work or save money.

Now why do you think the Democrats did that?

It’s bad enough that they are screwing us, but it’s criminal that they know that they are screwing us.