The GOP is now a party of know-nothing flat-earthers

One of the greatest crises of our time is climate change, which threatens to create food shortages (as the Russians learned this summer), change geography, eradicate entire eco-systems and even wipe out cities and towns in coastal areas. (NOTE: If you are an anti-science know-nothing, don’t bother to comment. The clear scientific consensus indicates a warming climate caused by human activity.)
But we’ve reached the odd and depressing point in American politics where not a single Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate supports aggressive action to mitigate climate change. The last science literate, Delaware Congressman Mike Castle, was defeated by tea party favorite Christine O’Donnell.
The blog Think Progress did a survey of GOP Senate candidates, and it found that even those who had previously supported policies that would curb carbon emissions have backed away, fearing a backlash from their know-nothing constituents.
Many others have simply chosen to be ignorant anti-science flat-earthers. Alaska’s Joe Miller, who defeated incumbent Lisa Murkowski in the GOP primary, is an example of the latter category. He told an Alaska newspaper,
“We haven’t heard there’s man-made global warming.” [Fairbanks Daily News-Miner, 8/23/10]

Georgia Senator Johnny Isakson is in the more sophisticated category, too smart to deny the science outright but unwilling to buck a tide of flat-earth voters and selfish businesses that don’t want to change their ways. This was Isakson’s response, according to Think Progress:

Science has shown us that there has been a gradual warming of the earth over the last 50 years. What is not as clear is whether the cause for this warming is man-made emissions, a cyclical warming of the planet, or a combination of both. Given the uncertainty in the science behind climate change, I believe that we should take proactive steps, both personally and as a nation, to reduce our emissions. footprint.

Interestingly, though, Isakson doesn’t support any “proactive measures” to combat climate change.

The current GOP represents a step backward from the Bush administration, which acknowledged the threat of climate change. In 2007, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the US was “a major emitter” and was not “above the international community on the issue.” She also said that “all nations should tackle” the “growing problem” of climate change. (h/t The New Civil Rights Movement)

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Marie

September 16th, 2010
3:14 pm

How elitist of you Cynthia and it really displays the arrogance of Jour-O-List across the US. The constituents of any district, state, hamlet or whatever are a bunch of NO NOTHINGS who should be ignored and the will of the “ruling class” should be exacted against us without impunity. That is of course only the rules that elistist like you believe in. I find that whole statement condescending and totally uncalled for — it was classless and tasteless and demonstrates what an uppity itch you have become.

commoncents

September 16th, 2010
3:15 pm

granny, please don’t tell us you are basing your opinion off of a movie scene…

George W

September 16th, 2010
3:16 pm

commoncents….yes she is….I bet she even thinks Morgan Freeman is president.

granny godzilla

September 16th, 2010
3:17 pm

So I see tha answer is no.

You do not understand the consequences of excess CO2 on human life.

Anybody surprised?

Matt

September 16th, 2010
3:19 pm

“(NOTE: If you are an anti-science know-nothing, don’t bother to comment. The clear scientific consensus indicates a warming climate caused by human activity.)”

No the clear scientific consensus does NOT say anything of the sort. Oh, and I like how you people can’t recognize your creeping fascism on this issue. I’m not allowed to comment? I JUST DID WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Come arrest me and throw me in your Gulag. Idiot.

George W

September 16th, 2010
3:19 pm

Granny, are you serious???? There is no way you can be serious. Did you graduate 8th grade? There is no way anyone can be this ignorant.

Nothing Is Free

September 16th, 2010
3:19 pm

Thomas Lee Elifritz

- -Because it converts formerly arable land into desert? Perhaps?- -

Carbon Dioxide converts arable land into deserts?

No over deforestation does that, along with about a million other reasons.

But warming in specific parts of the earth converts short growing seasons into longer growing seasons. Isn’t that a good thing, or just too much to think about?

But a really nice paragraph of attempted insults. Pardon me for not giving a lot of stock in the opinion of a person who believes that rusting metals hurts agriculture.

Thomas Lee Elifritz

September 16th, 2010
3:19 pm

Thomas, what desert has been formed by CO2?

None yet, I would just prefer the ones we already have not get any bigger. That’s why rational people are worried about an atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration continuing well above 400 ppm at a rate of 2 to 3 ppm per year, unabated, well into the future, with a sensitivity to doubling of 3 to 4.5 C and many additional positive feedbacks, some of which are just starting to ramp up now, and others we don’t even know about yet. Surely you must understand that desertification is already a worldwide problem even without global warming, no? No, forget that. You understand nothing.

Quoting some guy on the internet :

Major deserts like the Sahara, Gobi and Kalahari are all expanding and desertification has begun to threaten countries like Spain and Kazakhstan, where swathes of cropland have had to be abandoned in the last three decades.

The last three decades, huh? Weird.

Realist

September 16th, 2010
3:19 pm

People, in the 70’s all we heard was the earth is cooling and we were going to freeze. In the 90’s it’s warming. What’s the meaning of science? CT just don’t have anything do you.

Nothing Is Free

September 16th, 2010
3:20 pm

granny Godzilla

IT WAS IN APPOLO 13?

Well, discussion over.

Thomas Lee Elifritz

September 16th, 2010
3:21 pm

Pardon me for not giving a lot of stock in the opinion of a person who believes that rusting metals hurts agriculture.

Tell that to a farmer.

You were the one that claimed carbon dioxide combustion was RUST. Not I.

JohnnyReb

September 16th, 2010
3:22 pm

Granny, in other words, you have no defense for Michelle dressing like overweight, low income types seen, for example, at WalMart.

Nothing is Free – I don’t think Michelle is ugly. And, I am sure she has a tremendous burden to carry. However, she is the first lady and should dress for the role at all times. Her and Barack have not exactly upheld the longstanding traditions and expectations of American presidents. And, she is complaining about it as she complained of America during the campaign. Not good.

barking frog

September 16th, 2010
3:22 pm

Thomas Lee Elifritz

September 16th, 2010
2:39 pm

Ok, the ambient carbon dioxide levels over the last several hundred thousand years never rose above 300 ppm
————————————————————————————-
Is this your observation, the observation of others or a book.

Nothing Is Free

September 16th, 2010
3:22 pm

Kazakhstan, where swathes of cropland have had to be abandoned in the last three decades.

And growing seasons in Northern Europe have grown longer, converting tundra into farmland.

See? Isn’t REAL science fun?

granny godzilla

September 16th, 2010
3:25 pm

George W

Ok, I’ll get a small space for you to sit in and we’ll let the CO2 levels increase….

What kind of flowers should I send?

Azazel

September 16th, 2010
3:25 pm

The gobal cooling isues in the 1970’s went “out of favor” because the model could not give an adequate account for the long term warming trend.

granny godzilla

September 16th, 2010
3:25 pm

aka Apollo XIII

George W

September 16th, 2010
3:26 pm

I like roses but I would rather you give me tulips (two lips)haha. Do you really honestly think that will happen in the next 1000 years?

granny godzilla

September 16th, 2010
3:26 pm

JohnnyReb

“Granny, in other words, you have no defense for Michelle dressing like overweight, low income types seen, for example, at WalMart.”

No defense needed.

However, your comments could use some defense….

Azazel

September 16th, 2010
3:27 pm

Kazakhstan, I recall that’s where the USSR dumped its nuclear waste.

Thomas Lee Elifritz

September 16th, 2010
3:27 pm

And growing seasons in Northern Europe have grown longer, converting tundra into farmland.

And of course you can give us all a link to that result, because that’s not what I am hearing at all.

( www dot ) e360.yale.edu/feature/arctic_tundra_is_being_lost_as_far_north_quickly_warms_/2229/

George W

September 16th, 2010
3:27 pm

So what is your solution for the carbon dioxide emitted from volcanic eruptions? Should we just place a cork in them? Please do tell…

T-Town

September 16th, 2010
3:27 pm

Ms. Tucker; Several times I intended to give my 2 cents worth on this subject, but stopped after all the juvenile rhetoric on display here today. Then I went back, re-read what you wrote and thought “no wonder today’s blog went straight down the ole toilet.” Writing “The GOP is now a party of know-nothing flat-earthers” and “NOTE: If you are an anti-science know-nothing, don’t bother to comment. The clear scientific consensus indicates a warming climate caused by human activity” is akin to waving a red flag at a bull and is bound to get a response.

If you did this to get the blood going so early in the morning, you succeeded. Now I’ve lost a little respect for you as you’ve always seemed to try to keep the level of the debates on the high road. Today it seems that you took a different route: the low road.

granny godzilla

September 16th, 2010
3:27 pm

I do too know what a dollar is worth. Its worth $1.00.

JohnnyReb

September 16th, 2010
3:28 pm

Granny, you are dodging. I would have stated Michelle dressing like White Trash, but that does not quite work.

George W

September 16th, 2010
3:28 pm

Typical answer. I so wish this country would be divided again.

Matt

September 16th, 2010
3:28 pm

Granny … equating the global eco-system with a small confined space is a bit problematic don’t you think? A bit simplistic? A bit … stupid? Quit referencing Apollo 13. It has nothing to do with anything.

MNC

September 16th, 2010
3:29 pm

Don’t pay your taxes, lie about your college education, and stop paying the mortgage on your house. This is the requirement to run for Senator on the Tea Party ticket.

Is the moral state of our country so bad that we rush to the polls to vote for incredibly unqualified people that do not obey our laws and have ultra extreme views?

It’s no wonder India and China are outpacing us. We are our own worst enemy.

Nothing Is Free

September 16th, 2010
3:30 pm

Folks, CO2 is a trace element in our atmosphere, making up 0.039% of the atmosphere.

The amounts vary by season and the eruption of volcanoes are the worst contributors to the increase of the element.

PLEASE PICK UP A FRIGGIN BOOK.

granny godzilla

September 16th, 2010
3:30 pm

Matt

It’s the KISS priciple.

You’ve heard of that?

granny godzilla

September 16th, 2010
3:30 pm

AND

IN THAT BOOK YOU PICK UP…..you will read that in excess it kills.

Thomas Lee Elifritz

September 16th, 2010
3:31 pm

Kazakhstan, I recall that’s where the USSR dumped its nuclear waste

You must be recalling incorrectly because a superficial internet search that any child could do in a minute or so reveals exactly the opposite of your statement.

(www dot) eurasianet.org/departments/environment/articles/eav012803.shtml

George W

September 16th, 2010
3:31 pm

MNC…GREAT POINT!!! We voted for a president that had absolutely no qualifications to do the job and hates America. He appointed Tim Geithner to over see our financial situation and he was a tax cheat. Great point….thank you thank you thank you.

Scarfer

September 16th, 2010
3:32 pm

Cynthia,

Any doubt about Republicans being flat earthers should be put to bed by reading the comments made about your column….

Nothing Is Free

September 16th, 2010
3:33 pm

Thomas Lee Elifritz

- -And of course you can give us all a link to that result, because that’s not what I am hearing at all.- -
You are making it more apparent with each post what you do not know,

But I appreciate the link to the article which agreed with what I am saying.

Thomas Lee Elifritz

September 16th, 2010
3:34 pm

So what is your solution for the carbon dioxide emitted from volcanic eruptions? Should we just place a cork in them? Please do tell…

Since volcanic carbon dioxide emissions are a very small fraction of human emissions, it seems like nothing needs to be done about it. Again, looking this stuff up is child’s play.

(www dot) springerlink.com/content/631t022372116213/

NOVEMBER CANT COME SOON ENOUGH

September 16th, 2010
3:34 pm

And Cynthia is a member of , WE know we are evil, round earthers.

commoncents

September 16th, 2010
3:35 pm

Thomas,

Your expanding deserts would have nothing to do with poor irrigation and overgrazing, would it? Keep in mind poor farmers can only afford the land nearest deserts…

And while we’re quoting “some guy” from the internet:

“Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a key nutrient for plants, and it’s possible that as humans pump ever more of it into the atmosphere, the shrubbery will thrive. Trees and grasses may even become more resistant to drought as CO2 concentrations increase.”

This came from an article on Discovery Channel’s website posted 8/19/09

JohnnyReb

September 16th, 2010
3:35 pm

Nothing is Free – I remember in grammar school learning that trees need carbon dioxide to produce oxygen. Of course, that was in the 50’s, but I don’t expect mother nature has changed.

Azazel

September 16th, 2010
3:36 pm

TLE — Actually I read in a NATGEO article some years ago, along w/pics of radiation induced birth deftes.

George W

September 16th, 2010
3:36 pm

So Thomas Lee….you believe there should be no Carbon Dioxide in the air??? We would all die. You points hold no value.

Jorge

September 16th, 2010
3:36 pm

I guess you got the job because you were black, CT. You are the poster girl for dumb.

Thomas Lee Elifritz

September 16th, 2010
3:40 pm

Is this your observation, the observation of others or a book.

No it was the result of several international antarctic ice core projects, which seem to agree with the other methods of proxy analysis :

EPICA : (www dot) nature.com/nature/journal/v429/n6992/full/nature02599.html

Vostok : (www dot) nature.com/nature/journal/v399/n6735/abs/399429a0.html

RG

September 16th, 2010
3:40 pm

Well it looks like Palin’s got herself a real “Mini-me”. I predict that just like Sarah came on the scene as the repubs bright ray of hope and what they thought was their missing ingredient to a WH win, O’Donnell’s recent win that’s energized some and confounded others in the GOP will be short-lived just like her loser mentor’s.

And the great repub hope will soon become a falling star that will land in the pocket books of those willing to buy the ghost-written books and attend the pay-for-view speeches – King/Queen-maker, Palin style.

Now if only she can get that notes-on-the-hand thingy down pat. Wait for it…

Nothing Is Free

September 16th, 2010
3:40 pm

granny godzilla

Not excess. The word is concentration.

And yes, lock yourself in an air tight room and you will eventually suffocate.

Now back to the subject at hand: the fact is that in order for carbon dioxide to kill someone in nature, it would need to be in a larger concentration than that of Oxygen which constitutes 20.8% of our atmosphere.

Get it? Can you do the math?

CO2=0.039% of our atmosphere

Oxygen = 20.8%

So CO2 would need to increase 53,000 times what it is now.

So do you know something the rest of us don’t?

Is Iran working on a big C02 bomb?

granny godzilla

September 16th, 2010
3:41 pm

commoncents

and the rate at which we are elimintaing greenspace in the Atlanta metroplex…not to mention the droughts and the raping of the rain forests…means fewer “shrubberies” removing CO2 from our atmosphere..

creating an excess.

Thomas Lee Elifritz

September 16th, 2010
3:41 pm

So Thomas Lee….you believe there should be no Carbon Dioxide in the air???

Feel free to point out where I said that. Thanks in advance.

George W

September 16th, 2010
3:43 pm

Lets take america and split it up into three parts….Republicans, Democrats and Blacks. Lets see which area prospers most after 20 years.

Would be a cool experiment huh?

Nothing Is Free

September 16th, 2010
3:43 pm

JohnnyReb

I think that was part of the Hope and Change thing.

Trees now breath kindness and that kindness can only be donated from the same people who have brought us the highest poverty level increase in history.

barking frog

September 16th, 2010
3:43 pm

As i recall the flat-earthers were actually the doom-sayers
of their time. They thought ships would sail off the edge of
the earth. How does that relate to Republicans saying
that the earth is healthy and not in need of carbon taxes
to repair it?