The DREAM Act for Jessica Colotl
I’m a big fan of the DREAM Act, which would allow promising illegal immigrants to get college degrees and then get on the path to citizenship. This country desperately needs more college graduates, and there is little argument that undocumented college graduates would burden our financial resources. Because it is narrowly tailored, it wouldn’t prompt a stampede across our borders, as detractors claim.
And The DREAM Act would free promising students like Jessica Colotl to focus on their studies:
Jessica Colotl, 21, is a senior at Kennesaw State University, a political science major and a member of Lambda Theta Alpha, a college sorority. She wants to attend law school.
However, she came to this country illegally, with her parents, when she was a child. And her detractors don’t care what she’s accomplished since then. They want to send her back to Mexico, a country she barely knows.
But for years, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus has been reluctant to endorse the DREAM Act as a separate piece of legislation, fearing that, if it passes, they won’t get the necessary votes for the rest of comprehensive immigration reform. This week, the caucus, happily, changed its mind and will support the DREAM act as a separate bill. (h/t Think Progress)
Today however, at the Reform Immigration for America campaign’s “Relief, Reform, Respect for our Families” forum, CHC Chairwoman Nydia Velázquez (D-NY) announced that the caucus supports Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-NV) addition of the DREAM Act as an amendment to the defense authorization bill, stating “the time is now” for the DREAM Act:
As chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus I stand here before you to say that all along we have said to the Democratic leadership — in the House and in the Senate — and to the President every time we’ve met with him that we will not stand in the way of the DREAM Act, but there has to be a commitment that no amendments will be allowed to be included in this bill. We will support the DREAM Act. [...]
Congress ought to concentrate on a few small bills that would represent a modest improvement over the current reality for millions of those without papers — a life of living in the shadows, without legal protections, with continual fear of deportation and little chance for improved circumstances.
One of the best opportunities lies in the DREAM Act, which would allow promising undocumented students to start a path toward citizenship if they meet certain standards. The proposal — pushed for years by U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) — is intended to boost illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, have finished high school and want to attend college or join the U.S. Armed Forces. The bill is a win not only for those students, but also for the country as a whole.
Much of the fury directed at illegal immigrants feeds off the notion that many of them are unfairly taking advantage of benefits that should be restricted to American citizens. However, that’s not the case with college; undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.
In fact, the United States doesn’t have nearly enough students attending college. President Obama has talked again and again about the country’s decline in educational attainment: the U.S. used to the lead the world in the number of people with college degrees, but we’ve fallen behind.
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162 comments Add your comment
Libertarian
September 16th, 2010
4:32 pm
I don’t agree with attaching it to a defense bill. The two are completely unrelated. Its just political games, per usual.
granny godzilla
September 16th, 2010
4:32 pm
It would be a very good thing if it were to pass.
jarvis
September 16th, 2010
4:36 pm
How about we educate our population on the benefits of two-parent households?
A father is a wonderful thing.
T-Town
September 16th, 2010
4:46 pm
Wasn’t this the young lady who was driving w/o a driver’s license and lied to the police? Oh, never mind, I see she wants to be a lawyer. I’m curious, who’s paying for her college?
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
4:51 pm
“This country desperately needs more college graduates, and there is little argument that undocumented college graduates would burden our financial resources”?
Let’s see – colleges are pumping out graduates a dime a dozen. No problem there [until they try to find a JOB];
Undocumented [illegal] graduates took a place that a legal student could have had. Problem there.
If you’re all for streamlining the process, that’s swell. Just do not allow anyone here illegally to apply and send the reset to the back of the line of those folks who are already waiting in line to be admitted.
If you’re simply trying to build up a voting block [which is readily apparent], you’re pitiful.
ctucker
September 16th, 2010
4:52 pm
Tommy Maddox@4:51, We are hardly “pumping out graduates a dime a dozen.” The US used to lead the world among adult with college degrees. Now, we’ve fallen to 12th place
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
4:52 pm
As for law school, that gal has already blown her chance to sit for the bar.
she still broke the law
September 16th, 2010
4:53 pm
She committed a traffic violation, she had no legal proof of her ID, including a driver license, she may not have had insurance. All crimes. AND she was getting scholarship money that was for legal citizens. A legal citizen who committed those crimes would lose their scholarship or grant money, I know, I was on scholarship and it had a morals clause.
ctucker
September 16th, 2010
4:53 pm
jarvis@4:36, I have no problem with that.
gt
September 16th, 2010
4:55 pm
The key terms are “illegal” and “undocumented”. Get legal and documented and you are more than welcome to attend our nations higher learning institutions. What part of “illegal’ is not understood.
barking frog
September 16th, 2010
4:56 pm
If you can remain in this country long enough to
raise your kids to college age you should be
granted citizenship. If the government does not
see fit to enforce the laws for five years you should
get a permanent visa or some sort of legality.
The only people i see being hurt are those
standing in line to enter the country legally.
Personally I prefer negotiated open borders.
Joel
September 16th, 2010
4:56 pm
you pay for the degrees ct.
Joel
September 16th, 2010
4:56 pm
dont steal it from me
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
4:57 pm
CT – who are all those folks we see every Spring wearing black garb receiving parchment? Besides, as the population increases the percentage will drop due to a static number class spots available.
joe
September 16th, 2010
5:00 pm
With unemployment at 10%, the last thing we need is to let more illegals come into our country to graduate and compete with US citizens for jobs…if there were more open jobs than applicants, maybe I’d agree with CT, but not now with things the way they are currently…that just compounds the problem.
David Fisher
September 16th, 2010
5:01 pm
The DREAM Act no more than backdoor piecemeal BLANKET AMNESTY for the ILLEGALS!
Scout
September 16th, 2010
5:01 pm
Cynthia:
Can you please do a little research for me?
Who needs college graduates more – Mexico or the USA ?
Tony
September 16th, 2010
5:02 pm
Nationwide, the black student college graduation rate remains at a dismally low 43 percent (this from the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education. The rates are lower for “our” disabled.
Let’s take care of the home front- push countries like Mexico to better set up the infrastructure for their citizens to succeed.
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
5:02 pm
David wins the prize!
JohnnyReb
September 16th, 2010
5:02 pm
“This country desperately needs more college graduates.”
No argument with needing more graduates, however, there appears no shortage of first year applicants without adding more illegals via the Dream Act. From the Univ of GA website:
First Year Applications Received: 17,475
First Year Applicants Admitted: 10,329
Ernesto
September 16th, 2010
5:02 pm
DREAM Act is only for those who were brought to the country at the age of 16 or younger. Most of these kids have grown in the US and most of them speak predominantly or only English. For most of those kids coming to this country illegally was not an option. Once they are grown, they have to decide to either stay here to support their families or go back to an unknown country full of violence and political problems.
They can become a great asset to this country because they have become part of it. Please support the Development, Relief and Education of Alien Minors (DREAM) Act which is amendment to the defense authorization bill.
barking frog
September 16th, 2010
5:03 pm
You may disagree,but I think more and more kids
are looking at the people with degrees and saying
I’m not going to spend the time and money to be
like that. Even poor kids don’t want the debt.
thrash223
September 16th, 2010
5:04 pm
All I can say is wow… You applaud the concepts that give the middle finger to our laws (both federal and state), screw our citizens, rob our tax payers, weaken our national security, and trash the concept of US sovereignty.
I don’t blame those who are illegal for being here I blame those who allowed them to be here in the first place.
But we can’t correct their mistakes without correcting what is broken and your grand DREAM act is nothing more than a broken solution to a shattered problem… Piece by piece trash legislation such as this is killing our nation.
Jethro
September 16th, 2010
5:05 pm
If they pay for it, great. If they get a scholarship from their university, great. They pay out-of-state tuition, and no Hope scholarships. They sign an agreement stating that they will attain citizenship within 6 months of graduation.
Sounds simple enough to me.
Joel
September 16th, 2010
5:05 pm
barking frog, this is true. traditonal education is overrated as long as you are willing bust your ass and learn on the job
ken R
September 16th, 2010
5:06 pm
I recommend that everyone watch BOARDER WARS presented by Natgeo an objective group and then tell me you want illegals streaming over our borders. Please don’t comment if you haven’t seen the show as it will just show how dumb you really are.
Arthur
September 16th, 2010
5:07 pm
Illegal is illegal as in excessive speed , robbery and rape. Illegal taking of education benefits in my book is no different as it is theft by taking. Our economy now has 47 million living under poverty level. We now have 1 in 7 Americans living under poverty level. Our myopic government has taken 8 million American jobs (Fed Ex just eliminated 1,700 today 9/16/201o to reduce domestic costs while building up international) 40 % of the class of 2009 has no job commensurate with their education and fully 70% of class of 2010 in same boat. These young people dont show up on the unemployment list because they have not been gainfully employed. The AJC is insane to support illegal education they would be better off in therirown country instead of in our country pulling us further down financially!!
Arlo
September 16th, 2010
5:09 pm
What benefit will Americans see from using US taxpayer resources to educate those here illegally? Public schools have already cut music & arts from their curiculums because now we have a huge influx of kids that need to learn English. Illegals renting a home with 3-4 other families with kids, pay no property taxes, so they are already siphoning off benefits they do not deserve or pay for. If those same illegals would have used half as much time & energy protesting and demanding rights in their native country, there would be no reason for them to come here.
SouthGaDawg
September 16th, 2010
5:10 pm
CT,
You’re not telling the whole truch about what place America sits at with percentage of adults with college degrees….it’s 12th place for adults aged 25 to 34.
We’re 6th place for ALL adults. However, for adults aged 35 to 64, we’re in 2nd place just a few percentage points behind Canada.
You’re welcome.
barking frog
September 16th, 2010
5:10 pm
Joel 5:05 Working anywhere takes training but not
necessarily a university degree and those with
university degrees are not finding work as readily
as some of the techs.
Scout
September 16th, 2010
5:11 pm
Cynthia:
I’m waiting.
Tony
September 16th, 2010
5:12 pm
Don’t worry- we will have an immigration czar that will ensure that only the pretty and smarts are brought in. Arthur- forgot about our on- it is always important to take a very fragmented and piece meal approach wrapped with a lot of emotion to go after a problem.
Craig - The real Criag
September 16th, 2010
5:12 pm
CT-
I think we can agree that this is a great idea in principle. And it is not their fault that their parents forced them into this situation but we need to address the core issues surrounding it.
So I have 2 questions for you, first is how would you propose we handle the parents who are still here illegally, do we allow them to continue to live here with zero repercussions or allow them to return to their native country and have an accelerated visa process?
Second is how would their public services be subsidize since they are not paying taxes nor are their parents? And you cannot say tax the rich, you have already picked that solution for Health Care, Medicare, Social Security, Transportation and Legal Citizen’s Public Services.
Arlo
September 16th, 2010
5:14 pm
As far as Jessica Colotl is concerned, who in their right mind would ever hire an attorney that knowingly broke several laws, milked the US government, lied to a police officer and wrongfully accepted in-state tuition when she clearly knew she was here illegally? She will never be allowed to practice law in this country given her criminal history (although she will probably lie about that too).
SouthGaDawg
September 16th, 2010
5:14 pm
Further, CT, your argument is a fallacy. The “DREAM” Act only requires completion of 2 years of college for an ILLEGAL ALIEN to become a US Citizen. Hence, they don’t even have to get a college degree to become a citizen under this program, and therefore there’s no guarantee it will lead to an increase in college graduates.
However, I do believe that if an ILLEGAL serves in the armed forced, they should be afforded a right to become a US Citizen. They’ve actually proven their worth to this country at that point and therefore they should be afforded the benefit of becoming a citizen. (unlike many of the useless citizens and ILLEGALS in this country).
Stonethrower
September 16th, 2010
5:14 pm
Here is food for thought. A few years back we moved an ice skater from Canada to the head of the line to become a US citizen in time to compete in the Olympics and George W. signed off on it. Hmmmmmmmm
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
5:15 pm
“Gee Mr. President, what are you doing to create jobs? What about helping the economy?
Only 46 days to the election and all you want to bestow upon us is amnesty?”
Again, someone’s not listening.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
September 16th, 2010
5:16 pm
Good afternoon all, I respectfully dissent. i oppose any program that anoints overlords, foreign or domestic. I am an open-borders type, and would be far more comfortable with amending US immigration law to all 30 million new residents per year, subject to screening for disease and criminal history.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
September 16th, 2010
5:17 pm
Apologies, “all 30 million” should have read “allow 30 million.”
SouthGaDawg
September 16th, 2010
5:18 pm
You guys are wasing your typing skills. CT’s out of here now. She’s been presented with too many facts that fly in the face of her opinion.
USMC DAWG
September 16th, 2010
5:20 pm
Another Moronic idea from Leftwing Looneys like Cynthia Tucker:
Cynthia, by enacting DREAM, you create a vacuum of Illegal Aliens to our country that will KILL our system and way of life.
We cannot be everything to everybody (Nation) in the world.
Let MEXICO improve their system of government and improve their own way of life and leave the United States out of their problems.
Use your head!
old-timer
September 16th, 2010
5:23 pm
It should not be attached to the defense bill. It is not a matter of security. The other problem I have illegal immigrants are breaking our law by being here. We can hardly take care of our own. I do not understand not enforcing American Law…..
Scout
September 16th, 2010
5:23 pm
Badges ? …………… BADGES ! ………………. We don’t need no STINKING badges !
Ragnar Danneskjöld
September 16th, 2010
5:24 pm
I have another idea – let’s expel one slacker for every new one we bring in. We could purge America of our leftists within five years.
Scout
September 16th, 2010
5:25 pm
old-timer:
” I do not understand not enforcing American Law…..”
I’m not trying to be rude but I would venture it’s because you don’t understand liberalism.
JohnnyReb
September 16th, 2010
5:25 pm
It’s easy to have empathy for the illegal children especially after reading Ernesto’s post. However, who is to blame for this situation? The US taxpayers or the children’s illegal parents? Obviously, the parents. Why do US Taxpayers have to fix it by waving a wand and basically saying, it’s OK. Well, it’s not OK. There are collateral damages from illegal acts and this is one of them. If the Dream Act passes, the next thing will be no deportation of the illegal parents because they have an approved child in US College. Sometimes saying NO is difficult. This is one of those times.
And, a pox on Harry Reid for attaching Dream to the defense bill. And, Lefties wonder why they are at this moment so dispised by conservatives.
DIT
September 16th, 2010
5:25 pm
Hey great idea CT and while we are at why don’t we allow them to go to flight school so they can learn oh…. let’s say….. HOW TO FLY AN AIRPLANE INTO A BUILDING!!!
Please do us all a favor and think before you type. I know it’s hard for you, but try it toots!
USMC DAWG
September 16th, 2010
5:26 pm
Where is the OUTRAGE at MEXICO for not handling it’s own business and pushing the idea of RECONQUISTADOR- which means they want to RECONQUER the Unites States.
We have paid enough for Mexico’s Illegal Alien BABIES, etc.in our Hospitals!
Guess who pays the bill for these parasites?
markie mark
September 16th, 2010
5:26 pm
hey Stonethrower…thats always been the criteria for fast tracking to being a citizen…what do you bring to the table that the US needs. The ability to do manual labor was usually not one of the considered criteria. That being said, we need to have a guest worker program where they have to check in regularly, and leave to go home regularly to be admitted back. (Australia has this in the 70’s when I wanted to go to work there. Visa good for 6 months, then you had to leave the country for a week or two or be deported as an illegal alien trying to establish residence – these ideas have been around for a LONG time, ya’ll…)
Contractor
September 16th, 2010
5:30 pm
Whoa Whoa Whoa, we need to let her finish school and graduate? Who paid for her school as an illegal immigrant through her first 12 years of primary school? It’s a statistic that is cost $8-10,000 a year to educate and pay for one kid to attend public school. This girl, like many others leached off the public for years. She knew with age that she was an illegal immigrant with no papers stating why she should remain here. The same thing with all illegals, they attempt to get away with a crime, until they get caught, and then they start spinning wheels on trying to finally make it right. They didn’t apply for citizenship from the beginning because they were trying to get away with it, and she got caught. Why didn’t she apply for her citizenship, or take the necessary steps towards filing Tucker? And this country does churn out college graduates a dime a dozen. Just because we are 12th in the world, doesn’t mean we aren’t educating children. This girl broke the law multiple ways, yet she wants to be a lawyer? How can you sit there and say someone who knowingly breaks the law, is a suitable person to uphold the laws of this country? You need a reality check Tucker, by way of a backhand, because you have fallen off the horse and need to be knocked back into reality. Who is paying her college? Kennesaw’s tuition is roughly $3000 a semester, and I know she doesn’t pay that, go to school, and work full time, so please give us some numbers for how she is providing education for herself, or is it the American people doing it, yet again?
Ricky Ricardo
September 16th, 2010
5:47 pm
She told me she was Cuban, that makes it cool.
RamblinWreck2011
September 16th, 2010
5:48 pm
Of course Cynthia finds this a good idea. She must not be aware that the term illegal means illegal, or not allowed. Cynthia, since your so fond of this piece of liberal legislation why don’t you offer to pay the portion of my taxes that go towards the University System of Georgia to insure that illegals get a education on our dime, it doesn’t work like that. This is just another piece of liberal legislation that costs money that we don’t have. When you don’t have 30k for a new car do you go and buy one? Maybe, but thats because your financially responsible. I’m always amazed at what Cynthia and the liberal AJC have to say on politics, wait….its always the same washed up stuff that all of the liberal media presents to the public.
Ricky Ricardo
September 16th, 2010
5:48 pm
What does 55mph mean? I see it on signs downtown.
RGB
September 16th, 2010
5:50 pm
So should illegals pay out-of-country tuition?
Ricky Ricardo
September 16th, 2010
5:50 pm
I would give her 4 million to start a business but I would have to borrow the money.
RamblinWreck2011
September 16th, 2010
5:51 pm
SouthGaDawg-How many illegals make it into the military? They have so many background checks and ways of determining whether or not one is eligble for the military. A FEW might slip through the cracks, but seriously this is never the case.
flagger
September 16th, 2010
5:52 pm
miss tucker, if u feel so strongly about the dream act, why don’t u take some of ure money
and pay for jessica’s education…. seems fair to me, but thats never the case is it?
u and ure ilk want everyone else to pay..hellllllooooo we have enough trouble paying for
our own childrens education. but hey all we got to do is shake the money tree.. right?
Ricky Ricardo
September 16th, 2010
5:52 pm
Borrowing money you can’t pay back would be not financially responsible I heard this man say.
bronco
September 16th, 2010
5:54 pm
Cynthia…Do you just sit around in your PJs at nite and think about how to piss off the people who read your columns
Wreck
September 16th, 2010
6:07 pm
Farcical. This can’t be serious.
If it is serious, why not just support amnesty to young people that through no fault of their own have lived here their whole life?
Oh…oh that’s right…that’s what you want. This is just an end-around.
And to claim that by going to college they wouldn’t be “taking advantage of benefits”…so does this mean they will be ineligible for financial aid, or attending public colleges and universities, since an education there is HIGHLY subsidized by the state?
So will illegal hispanics get the same affirmative action consideration that legal hispanics are afforded in admissions?
This bill is completely full of EPIC FAIL
Peadawg
September 16th, 2010
6:08 pm
We don’t need the DREAM act. There’s already a way in place to become a citizen. Do it the right way like thousands of other immigrants.
Charlie Brown
September 16th, 2010
6:09 pm
Good grief. Another lawyer wannabe. Just what we need……………more damn lawyers! I have a better idea, Tucker. Why don’t you adopt her and pay for her college education. I’ve already paid for my kids’.
Nothing Is Free
September 16th, 2010
6:10 pm
Here’s an idea. How about giving that money to promising Americans that need a college education?
Are we just out of poor, smart Americans?
Skip
September 16th, 2010
6:18 pm
How many times you going to run with this same story? How bout you earn your paycheck.
Reality
September 16th, 2010
6:18 pm
Regardless of what is said, I disagree with this on principle.
An illegal person, adult or child, should never reap the benefits of citizenship, State or Federal. This includes everything from discounted tuition at colleges (in-state tuition) to food stamps to public K-12 education to EVERYTHING.
If an illegal person wants to attend college, then they need to pay the full amount…. period.
Cynthia, are you a Christian?
September 16th, 2010
6:20 pm
Cynthia- I am curious if you are a Christian. I have been reading your blogs recently… and a couple of days ago you invoked that “because of your Christian beliefs” as an answer to a question.
The Bible spends a lot of time telling how followers of Christ should take care of the poor… but there is an important distinction to be aware of. The Bible asks followers to give money TO THE CHURCH for this purpose. Our current government certainly doesn’t have Christian beliefs at heart, so why would you want more dollars going to the government than the church?
Obama and the Democratic National Party support abortion, gay marriage, and continually want to take God out of government and schools. So your unrelenting support of Obama and his party seems to fly in the face of your Christian beliefs.
Charles
September 16th, 2010
6:27 pm
Boo Hoo…poor illegal immigrants have no rights. Too freaking bad! If you come here illegally, you should be deported and not entitled to any of the privelages an American citizen has. You have NO rights to our tax dollars. Stop these illegals from stealing from the American taxpayers. My opinions have nothing to do with race or anything else. I just firmly believe if you want to come to America, you MUST do it the legal way or get the &$#@ out of here. Just like my ancestors did. You, Miss Tucker, are a VERY SAD example of an American citizen!
Moderate Line
September 16th, 2010
6:27 pm
-However, that’s not the case with college;
-undocumented students are not displacing
-bona fide citizens who have been denied
-a seat in Calculus II.
Hm! The space in colleges is infininte. I personally do not care whether they are accepted into college as long as they go through the same process as any other non-citizen. It doesn’t seem fair that we have people from all over the world wanting to go to college here and we let people in who have not abided by the laws.
-President Obama has talked again and
-again about the country’s decline in educational attainment
In 2008 47.0% of high school graduates were enrolled in college. In 1998 it was 45.5. In 1988 it was 37.6% according to the census bureau. During this time high school graduates were going up so that was not a factor.
So what decline is he talking about.
Dave
September 16th, 2010
6:29 pm
Cool story bro
Legal1
September 16th, 2010
6:35 pm
If you have no problem with illegal immigration but lock your doors to keep out burglars you are a hypocrite! After all, they are just seeking a better life.
Richard Fitzwell
September 16th, 2010
6:39 pm
Using old Cindy’s rational – It’s quite alright for a thief to break into my house, steal all my money and possesions, as long as they make my bed and cook dinner……Think about it….
Jim
September 16th, 2010
6:47 pm
NO, NO, NO! If they are illegals they should NOT be even given the opportunity to enter our colleges and universities in the first place. What part of “illegal” do you not understand Cynthia?
In addition, where are they getting the money to pay tuition, room, and board at these universities, is it being paid for by the LEGAL American taxpayers? Why should my taxes go to pay for someone who has already broken the law when there are plenty of deserving students who are denied funds for college? Pick another cause you can champion because I believe you are preaching to the wrong group, legal Americans.
Producer
September 16th, 2010
6:53 pm
Let Operation Wetback II begin with her illegal self. If you’re illegal you get no US citizen eligible benefits, none zero, nada (a word this young lady certainly understands.) Enforce our existing laws and send them all home. Illegals are thieves, stealing the good services of legal Americans. It isn’t hard to understand.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
7:07 pm
Fact is, they are here, they are not going anywhere, might as well educate them so they will be productive one day.
Producer
September 16th, 2010
7:08 pm
God, can you imagine how much extra money from our own paychecks and in our pockets to care for our own families if we didn’t to subsidize BOTH the legal and the illegal leeches?! National cancers, the both of them!!
Ralph
September 16th, 2010
7:11 pm
Sure thing and we can take the costs out of Cynthia’s paycheck. Does that sound about right CT:-)))))?
Chrono
September 16th, 2010
7:13 pm
What this country needs is more tradespeople, not college grads. Oh, and breaking the law has consequences, like screwing your children out of an education. Way to go mexican parents!
I Could've Put Some Lame Name Here
September 16th, 2010
7:34 pm
@south GA DAWG
You actually proved her point. We USED to be tops in Education but as evidenced by your number we are falling behind
dan
September 16th, 2010
7:36 pm
Cynthia Tucker is an idiot, and her views are stupid. I can’t believe she gets paid to write this crap. These people don’t belong here. End of story.
Billybob
September 16th, 2010
7:37 pm
Cynthia,
We are a nation of laws, correct? If everyone just decides to follow the laws that they like and not follow the laws they don’t like, where does that leave us Tucker?
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
7:46 pm
What part of “illegal” do you not understand Cynthia?
What part of “illegal” do you not understand when it comes to those that employed her parents for the past 21 years?
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
8:07 pm
There was a time when both the father and mother were committed to raising and educating thier children and the results showed, It was no coincidence because we were #1 in education.
-So when you progressives talk question what tea partiers mean when they say “Go back”, and “when America was Great”, that is what they are referring to.
Moderate Line
September 16th, 2010
8:15 pm
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
7:46 pm
What part of “illegal” do you not understand Cynthia?
What part of “illegal” do you not understand when it comes to those that employed her parents for the past 21 years?
++++
That’s called deflection. Who here has advocated people employing illegal aliens should not be punished. I don’t see how that should give a person a preferences over people who want to immigrate here legally.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
8:16 pm
Kammy, deflection? Surely you jest!
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
8:21 pm
Yep there was a time when we led the world in advanced education. Do we listen to the generation who accomplished this? Do we ask their advice as to how we achieve this again? No, we call them flat earthers and racists. That makes sense.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 16th, 2010
8:22 pm
Dunno, Charlie, two stupid parents can raise a stupid kid just as easily as one can.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
8:25 pm
Superstar, you are right, they can raise a stupid one just as easy, but it is a lot harder to raise a smart one.
I have my theory as to why our country is no longer the beacon of higher education, what is yours?
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
8:31 pm
Who here has advocated people employing illegal aliens should not be punished.
Who here that posts, “what part of illegal don’t you understand?” has ever addressed the underlying issue of IAs coming here for jobs, or the people that hire them?
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 16th, 2010
8:35 pm
Historically, Hispanics have lower high school graduation rates than any other demographic, except for Appalachians. Like Appalachians, there is a large segment of the Hispanic community that denigrates “book-learning”. So we should encourage Hispanics, much like we should encourage our “rural mountain rustics”, to pursue education. Unlike Appalachians, Hispanics are very hard workers, and can be a credit to our communities.
But, I am against taxpayer $$ being spent to fund college educations in anything except engineering or the sciences, or educators for same. We have more than enough lawyers.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
8:38 pm
The irony is, you can put this on Bush too. After 911 they made it harder for illegals to enter our country, so instead of going back to Mexico when the growing season ends, they stayed in our country and brought in their families. Fact is, they are here, and unless we are going to go back to the Ann Frank days of hiding in the attic, they are staying. This is especailly the case since a sizable portion of our military is latino.
I am actually with CT on this one.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
8:42 pm
My experience with hispanics is they are honest, hard working, loyal, and self reliant.
I wish I could say that about my experiences with all minorities.
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
8:45 pm
My experience with hispanics is they are honest, hard working, loyal, and self reliant.
What part of that negates the fact that hiring them is illegal?
bootney farnsworth
September 16th, 2010
8:52 pm
what an idiotic, moronic, profoundly stupid idea.
tell you what: when my kids can be illegal in Mexico, get a free education and citizenship for ripping off Mexican citizens….
then talk to me
T-Town
September 16th, 2010
8:54 pm
“What part of that negates the fact that hiring them is illegal?”
What part of that negates the we are paying for their education and giving employers breaks on employing them?
bootney farnsworth
September 16th, 2010
8:54 pm
it’s real stinkin’ simple.
I’m broke enough as it is. I do not want, nor should I be required to pay for the education in any way, shape, or form, of someone who is here ILLEGALLY!
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
8:57 pm
Kammy, I never said “what part of illegal” do you not understand.
But I did notice that you did not care to comment on my observation that the tea party generation (you know, the flat earthers with racist elements) also led the world in higher education.
Yet the of Obammy votin’ generation who mock them (you know, the ones who can’t figure out how to operate a pair of pants) are getting smoked in education by 3rd world countries with 1/10 the resources.
Oh the irony.
bootney farnsworth
September 16th, 2010
8:57 pm
as to the alleged need of college grads in the US.
I work at a local college. our graduation numbers are
overflowing. real live, LEGAL graduates.
and we’re not alone.
so much for that line of insanity and stupidity.
bootney farnsworth
September 16th, 2010
8:59 pm
Cynthia’s Dream is a freaking nightmare to responsible people.
T-Town
September 16th, 2010
8:59 pm
If we can not get jobs of our own children with college degrees, why should I support a plan to have more educated IA?
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
9:05 pm
T-Town, the economy will roll once Obammy is voted out. Companies are awash in cash, but they will not invest in jobs until we get this tax/healthcare/union nonsense resolved. Once we get the “ruler” outta there, the economy will roll.
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
9:10 pm
…that the tea party generation…
The tea party movement is generational?
ronald
September 16th, 2010
9:10 pm
Cynthia- Are you editing my comments again? Post my last post! Jeez…
T-Town
September 16th, 2010
9:10 pm
Mr. C; Not according to Ms. Tucker who debated me earlier this year that the healthcare bill would create jobs. Now she subscribes that I buy into a “Dream” were we kept educated IAs. The problem is my educated children now must compete with the educated IAs while I pay for both of their educations.
T-Town
September 16th, 2010
9:11 pm
where not were
ronald
September 16th, 2010
9:15 pm
T-Town you are right. Cynthia’s logic is unbelievable on this topic. This is why Democrats are going to take it in the pooper in the midterm cycle. Every option the liberals come up for almost any topic results in more spending and they still don’t understand that CUTTING SPENDING is #1 on people’s minds these days.
And for Cynthia to suggest that US colleges aren’t graduating enough students? Wow…just wow… Is she blind to the job market currently available to kids graduating right now?
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
9:16 pm
Kam, as CT loves to point out, it is primarily made upper middle aged (Dog whistle?) white folks…..T-Town, CT knows nothing about how the health bill will affect our economy, nobody does. I don’t kow if anyone has even read it yet, lol, but I suspect the supreme court will cut it down, the government can’t make anyone buy anything…
True, your children will have to compete with IA’s for jobs, but the IA will also create jobs. Bottom line is, you can never have to many smart people.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 16th, 2010
9:17 pm
Liberals are unwilling the face the cold, hard fact that the main reason illegal aliens are here is for jobs.
They do take the jobs of American citizens, and drive down wages for many others.
That’s just how labor markets work. A larger supply lowers prices.
The building trades used to be a way to make a good living; that is much harder now, not just because the economy is bad, but because illegal labor drove down wages even when times were booming. The housing boom in Georgia heavily depended on the low wages of illegals, and there are thousands of McMansions that were built that wouldn’t be here today driving down the prices of the rest of the housing stock if it weren’t for contractors hiring illegals and paying them $4-5/hour or even less.
Of course, the United States’ economic and cultural growth has always depended on a growing middle class, but our immigration policy since Reagan is part of an overall economic policy that is hellbent on destroying the American middle and working classes.
It is illegal to hire someone who is here illegally. But there is no enforcement. Place like Dalton (rugs) and Gainesville (chickens) are heavily dependent on cheap illegal labor, and many people are millionaires and billionaires because they have found it easy to exploit people who are desperate.
And, after three decades of essentially open borders, many formerly middle-class Americans are desperate too. Underneath the racism, the hate-mongering, the xenophobia, and the laziness and sheer stupidity of the tea-baggers lies a real grievance – the denigration of their labor and the destruction of their jobs. Liberals are seen as sticking up for illegals at the expense of their fellow Americans, and, as ignorant and hate-filled as we can see many of them are, the destruction of their jobs and their economic futures is all of our concerns, since even decent folks are already caught up in it this, or soon will be, too.
ronald
September 16th, 2010
9:18 pm
Cynthia has quite a bit of gall to actually write a column that suggests that taxpayers should pay for illegal alien kids to go to college. In the middle of the financial storm that the country is in, with the difficulty of middle and lower-income families to make ends meet…Cynthia suggests that the taxpayer should also shoulder the bill for Mexican illegal alien kids to go to college. Just wow…
ronald
September 16th, 2010
9:20 pm
I am willing to bet that Cynthia has never balanced her checkbook.
T-Town
September 16th, 2010
9:24 pm
Mr. C; While I may agree with your statement: “True, your children will have to compete with IA’s for jobs, but the IA will also create jobs. Bottom line is, you can never have to many smart people,” I have my own views and crosses to bear. I brought my hispanic grandson here legally at great expensive. Now I’m at the crossroads in my heart with my granddaughter. Do I bring her here legally at a great expense or illegally and wait until their is some sort of amnesty? My heart is heavy.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
9:26 pm
Superstar, the failure was the companies who were/are allowed to circumvent tax, social security other employee related expense by hiring illegals. Why knock the tea partiers? The age, demographic, and value system of the average member were from a generation that led the world in education. Not too bad for a bunch of flat earthers, huh?
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
9:30 pm
Commie, why would you agree with our hostess on this issue of “upper middle aged white folks,” when you obviously disagree on any and all issues?
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
9:30 pm
T-Town, I do feel for you. It does seem as though the people who follow the rules get the short end of the stick. There is not doubt about that.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
9:34 pm
I agree with CT in this topic on immigration too. Unlike you, I think for myself.
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
9:35 pm
Liberals are unwilling the face the cold, hard fact that the main reason illegal aliens are here is for jobs.
Kinda late to the party with that observation, Capt. Obvious.
I’ve been pointing that fact out since St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun’s amnesty of 1986.
Tech man
September 16th, 2010
9:37 pm
GO ATLANTA DREAM! Now that’s a DREAM I believe in!
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
9:40 pm
Kammy, agreed on that too, and GW made it worse after 911. There was a time when immigrants went to California to pick fruit during the season, then when back across the border when the season was over.
after 911, they were concerned that they could not make it back across then next year, so they brought thier famlies and instead of going back home after the harvest season, they emigrated west and started working construction, and when the populations grew, opened businesses to service the latino community.
T-Town
September 16th, 2010
9:42 pm
Mr. Kamchak; It is quite apparent with your “I’ve been pointing that fact out since St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun’s amnesty of 1986″ statement that you have problems with some aspects of a amnesty program of any type. As I have a vested interest in any outcome, just what would you like to see?
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
9:47 pm
No, Commie.
IAs have been coming and settling in the construction biz for decades.
It did not all of a sudden become worse.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 16th, 2010
9:47 pm
Now Charlie, get real.
The tea-baggers are largely bottom-feeders, a demographic well-below to only slightly above average in intelligence, people with severe anger management and emotional problems that are often exacerbated by their paranoia, anti-intellectualism, and underlying mental deficit (it is extremely hard for stupid people to recover from mental illnesses). The idyllic parenting that you imagine for these folks often included arbitrary beatings by drunken fathers and slatternly mothers, living in stultifying myopic multi-generational rural poverty.
Let’s face it – large areas of this country – such as most of the south – have never had better than a third-world education system. As an example, Georgians have always been pathetically behind other areas of the county in education, loooong before there was a federal department of education – since the beginning of the colony for gawd’s sake! If it wasn’t for Rockefeller, Georgia’s children would probably still be dying of rickets, if it wasn’t for FDR, you’d probably have less than a thousand flush toilets in the whole state.
You can tell a lot about the tea-baggers by where they are from – largely, they are from the same areas of the country where the Klan is prominent, where inbreeding and teen pregnancy are the worst, where homicides and substance abuse are the highest, and where the most people attend church to try to think they are better than everyone else and talk to their imaginary gods.
barking frog
September 16th, 2010
9:51 pm
Anyone who honorably serves in our military
should be granted citizenship.
T-Town
September 16th, 2010
9:52 pm
Mr. Real; Do you mean it comes from “trailer-hood” and not “the hood?”
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
9:52 pm
Mr. Kamchak; It is quite apparent with your “I’ve been pointing that fact out since St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun’s amnesty of 1986″ statement that you have problems with some aspects of a amnesty program of any type.
Nope.
I have a problem with silly cons not owning St. Ronnie exacerbating a problem, then expecting someone else to clean up the mess all the while spewing poutrage blaming others.
Nothing Is Free
September 16th, 2010
9:54 pm
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
The tea-baggers are largely bottom-feeders, a demographic well-below to only slightly above average in intelligence, people with severe anger management and emotional problems that are often exacerbated by their paranoia, anti-intellectualism, and underlying mental deficit (it is extremely hard for stupid people to recover from mental illnesses).
Any hope of your offering any data other than your own ignorance?
I have to say, when I see someone as stupid and hate filled as yourself, I am more than happy to see what is going to become of your racist and hate filled party.
You are an imbecile.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
9:54 pm
I disagree, for years many IAs passed freely over the border between California and Mexico. After 911 that was no longer the case. Sure they worked construction for decades, but the culture was to keep the family in Mexico, send the money back, and go back and forth as they pleased After 911 they started bringing their families.
911 border policies had more to do with he amount of children being born here than the “Anchor Baby” conspiracy ever did.
Nothing Is Free
September 16th, 2010
9:55 pm
The real piece of trash
You can tell a lot about the tea-baggers by where they are from – largely, they are from the same areas of the country where the Klan is prominent,
Hey imbecile. YOu support the party that invented the KKK, TWICE.
You are as ignorant as you are stupid.
barking frog
September 16th, 2010
9:57 pm
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 16th, 2010
9:47 pm
Georgians have always been pathetically behind other areas of the county in education,
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Don’t know where you’re from, but evidently spellcheck ain’t been invented.
Nothing Is Free
September 16th, 2010
10:00 pm
barking frog
When they are slamming and drooling on their keyboard, they ignore the squiggly little lines.
Nothing Is Free
September 16th, 2010
10:02 pm
The Real piece of Trash
- -where the most people attend church to try to think they are better than everyone else and talk to their imaginary gods.- -
Poor baby. That would be a chip on his limp little shoulder just too big fort the little boy to support.
And he’s an evangelist to boot.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
10:06 pm
Superstar
” largely, they are from the same areas of the country where the Klan is prominent, where inbreeding and teen pregnancy are the worst, where homicides and substance abuse are the highest”,
Throw out the inbreeding comment, replace the “Klan” with the “Black Panthers”, and I would swear you are talking about the voting districts where Obama took 98%.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
10:09 pm
Superstar, say what you want, but the Tea Party generation led the world in education, medicine, space exploration and technology.
You sould be asking them how they did it, instead of saying vile ugly things about them.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 16th, 2010
10:09 pm
I see I have touched some nerves here. There are always people that are quite uncomfortable with the facts, especially people with low cognitive skills.
Here, Nothing, is an abstract of an interesting study in New Zealand about low IQ and mental illness:
OBJECTIVE: Cognitive reserve has been proposed as important in the etiology of neuropsychiatric disorders. However, tests of the association between premorbid IQ and adult mental disorders other than schizophrenia have been limited and inconclusive. The authors tested the hypothesis that low childhood IQ is associated with increased risk and severity of adult mental disorders.
METHOD: Participants were members of a representative 1972–1973 birth cohort of 1,037 males and females in Dunedin, New Zealand, who were followed up to age 32 with 96% retention. WISC-R IQ was assessed at ages 7, 9, and 11. Research diagnoses of DSM mental disorders were made at ages 18, 21, 26, and 32.
RESULTS: Lower childhood IQ was associated with increased risk of developing schizophrenia spectrum disorder, adult depression, and adult anxiety. Lower childhood IQ was also associated with greater comorbidity and with persistence of depression; the association with persistence of generalized anxiety disorder was nearly significant.
CONCLUSIONS: Lower cognitive reserve, as reflected by childhood IQ, is an antecedent of several common psychiatric disorders and also predicts persistence and comorbidity. Thus, many patients who seek mental health treatment may have lower cognitive ability; this should be considered in prevention and treatment planning.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
10:13 pm
Superstar, dude, when you start talking about “inbreeders”, you probably need to inventory your own mental facilties.
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
10:20 pm
“The Real” whatever:
You remind me of that old Thermos Greenwood song which made fun of the police – “Who Gave the Monkey a Gun?”
A mind is a terrible thing…
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 16th, 2010
10:23 pm
Low IQ equates to higher suicide rates in males, as does obesity.
All you fat stupid tea-baggers – be careful when you are playing with your guns!
(Grammar police: I know, I know. Yes, fat stupid tea-bagger is redundant.)
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 16th, 2010
10:25 pm
And Mr. Maddox, you remind me of a retarded child playing with an alligator.
I certainly understand why your parents bought one for you.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
10:25 pm
Superstar, don’t talk about IQs, standardized tests, or obesity. If I start throwing out facts, well, I will get banned by CT again.
Nothing Is Free
September 16th, 2010
10:26 pm
The real piece of trash.
So your response is a cut and paste about low IQ?
Do you really want to do this? Ignorance and bigotry is the most common tell of low IQ so that would place you in the lower 20 percentile.
I’m not going to waste my valuable time arguing with a low brow imbecile such as yourself. But I will say that I would put my physical strength, my national awards, my IQ and my education up against yours, any day. It’s a simple fact that folks that come to blogs to pick fights are to cowardly to face anyone in real life.
You are an ignorant little twit who apparently wants to pick a fight while setting on your fat arse, hiding behind that outdated CRT.
It’s not my fault that you are who you are. It’s not my fault that you have apparently failed in life and are extremely bitter about it. It’s not my fault that you live your pathetic life in fear and need to come to places like this where you can pretend to be a big man when you are just a little twit.
Now please, find another unrelated cut and paste that will continue to demonstrate what a pathetic, little loser that you have made yourself.
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
10:27 pm
Stupidity can be addressed; ugly cannot.
Nothing Is Free
September 16th, 2010
10:30 pm
Tommy Maddox
No, when we were addressing the real piece of trash, we addressed both stupidity and ugliness. I would be willing to bet that the sad little boy doesn’t have much going for him.
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
10:32 pm
It’s funny since my parents did buy me one of those alligators from the side-of the-road joints in Florida before I-75 was built.
It croaked – I survived unhurt…
Nothing Is Free
September 16th, 2010
10:34 pm
Tommy Maddox
I have to finish a project and upload before midnight or take a huge hit financially.
I’ll leave the imbecile in your capable hands.
Have fun.
Rick Sultana
September 16th, 2010
10:35 pm
What we would like here is for people to obey the law, lest we promote anarchy. Now laws can be modified; in that there is reasonable debate. But illegal is illegal, is it not?
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 16th, 2010
10:38 pm
“But I will say that I would put my physical strength,”
Nothing is Free – cyber tough!
LOL!
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
10:38 pm
Folks around here get a little torqued with that word “illegal”.
Mr Charlie
September 16th, 2010
10:46 pm
G’nite, and be sure to check under the sheets before you climb into bed.
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
10:51 pm
Good thing about us fish – we came armed and shoot back.
Kamchak
September 16th, 2010
11:00 pm
…I will get banned by CT again.
So many sock-puppets to choose from.
Tommy Maddox
September 16th, 2010
11:08 pm
Well you came out late!
nopology
September 16th, 2010
11:13 pm
To quote one of ct’s high profile “place for politics” mutual admiration personalities. . ” I have a nightmare”. The smart thing for this girl to do would be to get pregnant, get the anchor set and not worry about it. . .Once thje kids here all her problems would just go away! Why a need for another program- OOPS! My bad- more buracracy! Silly me!
Nothing Is Free
September 17th, 2010
1:32 am
While I commend Reid for finally stepping up and putting the DREAM Act in play, I’m wondering why — if it was this easy — he didn’t do it last year, or the year before. Maybe it was because he wasn’t facing a tough re-election fight back home in Nevada, a state with a sizable Hispanic population that one might assume would look favorably on the DREAM Act.
And my main quibble with Reid is that he insists on engaging in revisionist history. A hyperpartisan, he reflexively blames Republicans for killing immigration reform.
Reid ought to tell the story right and just admit that it was he and other Senate Democrats — including a certain Illinois freshman senator who went on to bigger and better things — who killed immigration reform at the behest of organized labor, because union leaders opposed any compromise that included guest workers.
In fact, Democrats pulled this stunt twice — once in 2006 when they were in the minority and again in 2007 when they controlled both houses.
Still, partisan politics and creative storytelling aside, what’s even more interesting than the split between Republicans and Democrats is that — when it comes to the DREAM Act — there is also a noticeable split between immigration reformers.
In one corner are those, like Reid, who think that Congress should pass the DREAM Act to solve at least a portion of the immigration problem by changing for the better the lives of as many as 700,000 young people. In the other are those — like Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-New York, and members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus — who claim they want to stay focused on the crusade for comprehensive immigration reform and change the status of more than 10 million people.
In that face-off, I side with the pragmatists who want to deal with the DREAM Act à la carte. Who are we kidding? And what are we waiting for? In the last few years, Democrats have shown pretty clearly that they’re no more interested in passing wholesale immigration reform than Republicans were when that party controlled Congress. This is probably as good as it gets.
Besides, all the Schumer camp is dreaming about is the votes of the millions of illegal immigrants they hope to convert to U.S. citizens — something that could have long-term benefits for the Democratic Party. That’s shrewd but cynical politics, the kind practiced by elected officials who always put their personal and partisan interests ahead of the folks they claim to be helping — and then hope no one calls them on it.
RTW
September 17th, 2010
4:13 am
In an exclusive recent interview with 11 Alive’s Paul Crawley, she stated, “I do understand that there are laws that need to be followed, and if I have to go back to my country, to Mexico, I will have to go back.” CT-I would think that Mexico would benefit more from her college degree than the U.S. would. Both her and her parents knew that this might be a problem. Yet during their transits between Mexico and the US (she wasn’t here continuously by the way), they were fully aware of her (and her family’s) illegal status. What part of law breaking do you not understand? The law is the law. They knew that they were breaking it, but were hopeful they weren’t caught. She would serve HER country better by graduating from a Mexican institution and by serving her own country. Mexico is in shambles because people choose to flee from their problems instead of facing them and working to improve the conditions of their own homeland. Wouldn’t you agree?
simple to solve, man.
September 17th, 2010
6:32 am
To solve all of our immirgration problems, make our laws match the laws of the country, that the immigrants come from. If they want except one type of problem, why should we?
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
September 17th, 2010
6:57 am
Modern life is full of stressors, and it requires a healthy mind and disposition to negotiate without creating additional stress. Intellect is one of our natural defense against stress, it helps us not only solve our problems, but put them in perspective. People with low IQs lack that tool, and many resort to alcoholism and drug abuse instead.
Could lower IQs be a factor in the statistically significant higher incidence of drug abuse and alcoholism in red states in general and the south in particular? If we use standardized test data as a surrogate for IQ, a case could be made.
I’m off to work.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
simple to solve, man.
September 17th, 2010
7:19 am
In the 60s our colleges and universities open their doors to anyone that wanted to stay out of the war. Families paid most of the cost, because it was to help keep their boys home. So many men went to school that they had to create courses to put them in; you could get a degree in pot making, of just about anything they could think of. This was the start of the liberal way of thinking. The students decided they wanted to run the schools, and they protested everything. We had Kent State shooting and many more riots at college campuses. One thing was different then; People were willing to pay for their kid’s education.
Now we want to open our schools to the world, kids from all over the world, how do we educate them? We will have to have classes that cater to their way of life. How many of they classes will we have to have? Our schools are full now. Only one in twenty is paying for their classes, Grants, scholarships pay the rest. School loans, who is going to stand behind the loans for the dream kids? We will! Our taxes will have to foot the bill when they cannot pay them back. What happens when they cannot get jobs in this country and they go back home to make their living. People need to decide just how many of the illegal students they want their taxes going to.
Is it going to be worth destroying our education system to teach our way of life to the world, or are we going to have to teach them their way of life and we will have to follow or get left behind?
We need to let in only educated people into this country and have them follow all of our rules and laws. Other countries would not let them in.
Michael
September 17th, 2010
11:55 am
Has the Atlanta Journal-Constitution been losing readers due to their tone-deaf writers being so out of touch with the majority of the population which they serve? Since it is de facto the state paper of Georgia, which is a primarily conservative state politically and socially, how do they stay in business writing such drivel? Perhaps folks only subscribe to read about the Braves, Falcons, Hawks and College & High School Football?
JazzFan
September 17th, 2010
3:02 pm
I have no problem with these children attending school here, as long as their government (Mexican, Nigerian… whatever), not Uncle Sam, pay for their tuition, room & board, food, medical insurance down to the last dollar. Otherwise they should buy a one-way ticket and finish up their education back home.
PitchFork
September 19th, 2010
3:28 pm
The Dream Act should not be considered until AFTER the borders are tightly secured. President Reagen taught that valuable lesson to us when he signed his Amnesty for Illegals Act during his administration. He taught us that illegal behavior should never be rewarded and that includes taxpayer financed education benefits awarded to children of ILLEGAL immigrants. We are still “Paying the Piper” for his Amnesty Bill!
FW:
September 20th, 2010
3:31 pm
DREAM Act is only for those who were brought to the country at the age of 16 or younger. Most of these kids have grown in the US and most of them speak predominantly or only English. For most of those kids coming to this country illegally was not an option. Once they are grown, they have to decide to either stay here to support their families or go back to an unknown country full of violence and political problems.
They can become a great asset to this country because they have become part of it. Please support the Development, Relief and Education of Alien Minors (DREAM) Act which is amendment to the defense authorization bill.
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September 20th, 2010
4:17 pm
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Carol
September 20th, 2010
4:33 pm
Times have changed and America needs to stop paying for foreigners who don’t respect our laws (identity theft, tax evasion, welfare fraud…). We cannot support the entire world, we need to choose: criminals or our own children. Please call your elected representatives and plead with them to stop this amnesty, because our President is going to try to push this through, maybe tomorrow.
Against Illegals
September 20th, 2010
11:02 pm
DREAM ACT are you kidding me. Let’s allow millions of ILLEGAL aliens in the system when it’s stressed already???? LEGAL AMERICANS can’t find jobs, but these illegal’s expect rights and jobs, and government assistance for college. GO HOME!! AMERICA is stressed out enough!! They are CRAZY and our government needs to show up at these rallies and such with busses headed to Mexico. Their audacity is AMAZING!! Illegals fighting for rights. GOOOOOO HHHOOOOOOMMMMEEEE!!!!!!! You are not Americans. You come from families of LAW BREAKING parents who have come here even though they were told not to! For 1 reason or another, immigrants are not allowed into this country(CRIMINAL HISTORY, OVERPOPULATION), but the first thing they did was to break our laws and came here anyways, had 8 babies each, on our tax dollars by the way, and expect us now to say OK we will pay for everything like they are Americans and have been PAYING TAXES their entire lives!! They have been criminals since day 1 and need to go home!! GET OVER IT AND GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOME!