From the alternative universe, GOP plans for another government shutdown

For several months now, Newt Gingrich has been engaging in a revisionist history of his government shutdown of 1995, claiming that it was not only a good fiscal move but also great partisan politics.
That claim was so obviously nuts that there seemed little point in rebutting it. The government shutdown was disastrous for the Republicans in Congress. The public hated it, and it probably helped Bill Clinton to win re-election in 1996. Enuf said?
Apparently not. Ga. Congressman Lynn Westmoreland has joined the Gingrich bandwagon, calling for a government shutdown if Republicans win the House. (h/t Dave Weigel):

Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) addressed the Faith & Freedom Conference with a hook you’re hearing more and more often. He reminded the crowd that after Republicans won Congress in 1994, they forced a fight over the budget with President Clinton.

“The government shut down,” said Westmoreland — and the crowd started cheering. “That’s what I wanted to hear! A good clap for that!”

According to Westmoreland, if they won a House majority Republicans were going to be “ready to hold the line and get those courageous men and woman” in the new class to stand fast and shut down the government. How would they avoid a repeat of 1995/1996, when the public turned against the shutdown and the GOP buckled?

“We want you with us,” said Westmoreland. “We gotta have you there. Because they’re going to come and say, ‘Daddy can’t go to the VA, the national parks are closed’ … we need to make sure you’re going to be with us.”

For a bit of reality, here are excerpts from a Washington Post news story from Dec. 1995:

As House Plan Flops, GOP Shifts the Blame For Federal Shutdown

For two weeks, House Republicans behaved like belligerent true believers, so determined or desperate to achieve a balanced budget that they were willing to keep the government closed until they got their way.

Day after day, as they took a drubbing in the court of public opinion, their position hard ened. Committee chairmen stormed to the well of the House to quote Winston S. Churchill in full roar, promising “We shall never surrender.”

Only three days ago, Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) issued a public declaration that his troops — utterly frustrated in their dealings with the Clinton administration — would never vote to reopen the government unless a balanced budget deal had been reached.

That seemed to change Friday, when House Republicans suddenly began portraying themselves as friends of the federal work force and boasted of a plan that would return furloughed public employees to their jobs.

152 comments Add your comment

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:07 pm

Americans unemployed and slowly getting jobs, bills to help small business blocked by Republicans…etc, etc. Oh yes, what is good for America is a shut down of the government. That’ll help the economy.

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
3:21 pm

Sorry CT, but your blog makes little to no sense.
* Why does Republicans portraying themselves as friends of the federal work force not mean that they were serious about a balanced budgeet?
* Are you actually suggesting that their intent to have a balanced budget means that they hate govt employees and were later lying?

The funny thing is that they finally got a balanced budget which of course the current administration keeps crediting Clinton with, instead of the Republicans in congress who had control of the budgets sent to him.

So if I have to cut out a trip to Disney due to financial constraints, does it mean that if I tell my children I still love them that I’m being hypocritical?

PearlJam

September 13th, 2010
3:21 pm

I think the a balanced budget was that bad. If it happend again I would not be mad.

ATLshirt.com

September 13th, 2010
3:21 pm

All of you identify yourself as either Democrat, or Republican, and I am telling you, that they are both working together to destroy our country… The rich want it all for themselves, and while we sit here and fight between ourselves, those Rich Evil Republicans and Democrats are laughing at us while they count their money… Oh, and the Media is helping them to achieve their agenda!!

We are slowly having all of our rights taken away from us, they claim that they want to secure the boarder to keep illegals out, but, the truth is, they want to build a wall, in order to keep ALL OF US IN !!!!

Every communist country in history has built a wall to keep their SLAVE’s in their country… We are being Manipulated and not to mention, Nickled and Dimed till death!!!

NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION does it GRANT our government the POWER to MANDATE the people of this Country… The health care bill is Unconstitutional, I would suggest that everyone go and hire an attorney so that you all can file a lawsuit against our government for violating your RIGHTS!!!

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:23 pm

ATLShirt…. Georiga attorneys thank you. Why yes….all crazy cons should hire attorneys!

James

September 13th, 2010
3:27 pm

I am done with this blog- going to get a protein drink in an attempt to grow back a few brain cells.

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
3:29 pm

I am done with this blog- going to get a protein drink in an attempt to grow back a few brain cells.

Toodles.

KimikoCat

September 13th, 2010
3:31 pm

ATLshirt, do you have Orly Taitz’s phone number? I suspect she’s the only attorney up for a lawsuit like that. Attorneys work on contingency only in workers’ comp and personal injury cases, where they’re paid a percentage of any settlement or a judgment. For a case like this, what’s the incentive of any sensible attorney (i.e., almost anyone other than Orly Taitz) to sue the feds? Only a really big up-front retainer, that’s what–probably more than you can pay, unless you’re one of the Koch brothers.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:32 pm

Why GA Buddy…look what happens when you have facts. The budget was balanced in FY1994. Seems that the Republican effort in 1995 did not result in a change from unbalanced budgets to balanced. From factcheck:

During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.
This chart, based on historical figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, shows the total deficit or surplus for each fiscal year from 1990 through 2006. Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton’s predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.

Seems the argument was over how to approach a balanced budget and what to cut…

I hope you will not distort the truth again.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:32 pm

Is a slurpee a protein drink now?

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:34 pm

KimCat…I’ll take his check, but its got to be big and I am billing hourly….and of course, no guarantee of success!

Jimmy62

September 13th, 2010
3:38 pm

Seems like you should support the Tea Party, Cynthia. They want to get rid of all the incumbents (and I doubt many want Newt back, he might as well be an incumbent).

Libertarian

September 13th, 2010
3:39 pm

Week after week you (CT) are blogging about how great the Clinton years were (?)

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
3:45 pm

Keep up being pathetic

OMG. You are still here. This is your whole life. And you are horrible at it.

How incredibly sad.

Back to work.

Bully out . . .

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:46 pm

And let the distortions begin….hmmm… addressing current speech by Westmoreland which references repeating GOP failure in shutting down government is now CT blogging about the great Clinton years? Oh that is right, only crazy cons can reference the past, everything else must happen during Obama campaign/election/presidency or during 2 prior years of “Dem control of congress.” Is that what happens when you wear the 3d glasses at a Palin grizzly rally?

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
3:48 pm

@ keep up the fight

“I hope you will not distort the truth again.”

Can you show me where I distorted the truth? Under Clinton there were balanced budgets, YES, this is a true fact. Actually one I give him credit for. At no point do I say he did not have a balanced budget (if that is what you are getting at). My point is that the party in the majority, who was in charge of putting the budget together that was forwarded to the president was the Republicans.

President does not write or create laws or bills. He signs them into being. Legislative branch does that. Or maybe School House Rock got it all wrong.

This is from GPO access (govt website). Pay special attention to the last paragraph.

How Does the Government Create a Budget?
The President and Congress both play major roles in developing the Federal budget.

The President’s Budget
The law requires that, by the first Monday in February, the President submit to Congress his proposed Federal budget for the next fiscal year, which begins October 1.

The White House’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) prepares the budget proposal, after receiving direction from the President and consulting with his senior advisors and officials from Cabinet departments and other agencies.

The President’s budget–which typically includes a main book and several accompanying books1–covers thousands of pages and provides an abundance of details.

The Budget Process
Through the budget process, the President and Congress decide how much to spend and tax in any one fiscal year. More specifically, they decide how much to spend on each activity, ensure that the Government spends no more and spends it only for that activity, and report on that spending at the end of each budget cycle.

The President’s budget is his plan for the next year. But it’s just a proposal. After receiving it, Congress has its own budget process to follow. Only after the Congress passes, and the President signs, the required spending bills has the Government created its actual budget.

Billybob

September 13th, 2010
3:52 pm

Bad repubs, mean conservatives, we didn’t have to wait 1 hour from my comment for the Dem election template to begin…way to prove my point Tucker….please keep talking ma’am…

Libertarian

September 13th, 2010
3:56 pm

@Keep

My point was CT loved the Clinton years so perhaps what Newt and the Repubs did worked. She loves to talk about how prosperous the Clinton years were.

Peter

September 13th, 2010
4:13 pm

Will they add some Pork to the Bill ?

Blaylock

September 13th, 2010
4:17 pm

Tucker
Bet your mainstream media buddies can keep up the good work. Calling increases in spending cuts. It was a key to helping your guy Bill in the nineties. Please see our earlier conversation about why people don’t trust newspapers anymore.

Josh

September 13th, 2010
4:17 pm

Bahahahahaha. Another ludcrious blog by Cynthia. Clinton may have balanced the budget on paper but the budget was never balanced and there was never a surplus. Clinton moved the numbers around to make it appear that there was a balanced budget and surplus when there really was not. Clinton is a smart man but not as smart as the American people.

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
4:21 pm

@keep up the fight.

I’m still waiting. I’m nowhere near self centered enough to feel all my thoughts are correct, and have no problem admitting when I have something wrong. I just feel that I kind of do have the facts correct on this one but would be interested in where you feel they are not correct.

Is it that you feel the President writes and passes the budget and that congress really doesn’t do anything? Or maybe you don’t think the majority party has that much say. Or possibly, the threat of shutting down the govt by the Republicans as noted in CT’s story, had nothing to do with Clinton’s balanced budgets? (that’s probably the only one that I can see you argueing about how can you argue what someone was thinking) But then again, I just added that one so that can’t be it.

Anyway, I await your reply.

Disgusted

September 13th, 2010
4:27 pm

Clinton moved the numbers around to make it appear that there was a balanced budget and surplus when there really was not. Clinton is a smart man but not as smart as the American people.

You mean, like keeping the cost of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq “off the books” and not part of the federal budget, so that expenses did not appear to be as great as they were?

John

September 13th, 2010
4:29 pm

A School House Rock reset. Excellent!

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
4:29 pm

GA Buddy has watched a schoolhouse rock video….and believes that somehow, someway Congress does everything without any politics from the Executive Branch. Oh yes. The President just waits for things to come to his desk to sign… why what a misnomer Obamacare is, its obvious that he only signed it into law and that Congress was responsible for it.

But oh yes… why did the 1994 Congress get shut down if the Republicans had to power to pass the budget…oh here’s your clue.. Only after the Congress passes, and the President signs, the required spending bills has the Government created its actual budget. Maybe it would be clearer if it said…IF the President signs.

Joel

September 13th, 2010
4:34 pm

GA buddy, keep waiting, the only rebuttal you get will just be name calling and put downs.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
4:36 pm

CT – You mean Westmorland cannot bully pulpit like our HHS threatening insurance carriers through the national media a month before the election?

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
4:38 pm

50 days until the midterm elections.

Beverly

September 13th, 2010
4:44 pm

Sooner or later the federal government is going to have to de-leverage that is, reduce debt. Business, individuals and other governments have all faced up to the realities that debt is out of control and that reduced spending is essential to fixing the problem. The federal government just keeps rolling along.

Obama and his supporters seem to have embraced an alternate universe in which massive spending and big new government centric programs are appropriate. Even in finanancial reform, Obama seems to have reacted to excessive leverage by regulating consumer credit. An utter non sequitur. We get a more brittle, more politically correct financial sector but no regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac where $700 billion more problems still lurk for the taxpayer.

It seems that the Democrats in general and Obama in particuar are just too out of touch with the people to ever get it.

There was a window to establish an enduring democratic majority. Had Obama pursued his post racial, post partisan language to reality, he would not be having this disater on his hands. Instead he pursued standard, out of touch, liberal predictabilities and wrecked the country and his own party.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
4:44 pm

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
4:21 pm

@keep up the fight. — I’m still waiting

GA Buddy — A little childish isnt that? No where does it require that I address each and every post or in a time requirement. Delusions of self-importance?

Again as noted orginally, the FY1994 balanced budget was passed before the government shut down so to claim that the reason subsequent budgets were balanced were the responsibility of the Republicans fails to be responsive or supported by the evidence.

barking frog

September 13th, 2010
4:52 pm

If they keep going on strike, we may have to outsource
the government to India.

Mallory

September 13th, 2010
4:55 pm

In case you haven’t noticed, Ms. Tucker, that’s exactly what the majority of Americans want–if not a shutdown, then a slowdown.

After looking at the election results of the ‘96 congressional election, in that election the GOP lost about a net two seats in the House, Linda Killian, who is a reporter for National Public Radio, certainly no redoubt Republican apologist, concluded the election really can’t be seen as a repudiation of the ‘94 revolution. The dozen freshman or so who lost in their specifc races did so for the reason that most candidates lose, they really weren’t that good as candidates. In fact, if you look at the freshman that were the most hardcore on cutting spending, they actually increased their vote totals. That’s especially astonishing since, one, Clinton was actually able to gain traction politcally in those specific districts and labor unions actually spent about $35 million trying unseat many of the GOP reformers.

And so, in light of these seemingly impossible odds, the budget cutters were the ones that actually ended up prevailing in larger and larger portions in terms of vote share in the ‘96 election.

Linda Killian, left-leaning NPR, knows what is in the mind of the people.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
4:58 pm

Beverly…now I suspect a very closed mind but a little hard to blame Obama for the Republican stance that $700 billion in tax cuts be extended to those making over $250k and that the cost of those cuts just be added to the federal deficit.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
5:10 pm

Obama for the Republican stance that $700 billion in tax cuts be extended to those making over $250k and that the cost of those cuts just be added to the federal deficit.
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Not if spending is cut. Every dollar saved by cutting a budget, I say a because there isn’t a current federal budget, will not have to be borrowed.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
5:16 pm

Tech Man… your post is unclear but if you are saying that the tax cuts do not have to be paid for (the Republican stance) then where is the budget being cut? Cutting revenue without cutting spending means increasing deficit.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
5:18 pm

If spending is cut then an equal amount of tax cut does not have to be borrowed.

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
5:19 pm

@ keep up the fight

“A little childish isnt that?”

Kind of like?

“GA Buddy has watched a schoolhouse rock video….and believes that somehow, someway Congress does everything without any politics from the Executive Branch. Oh yes. The President just waits for things to come to his desk to sign… why what a misnomer Obamacare is, its obvious that he only signed it into law and that Congress was responsible for it. ”

The Clinton years show a steady decline in deficit until 1998 when they hit surplus. All the more kudos to him.

Your remarks about Obama care have really nothing to do with this debate. I’d be more then happy to talk to you on why that is called “obama care” but that really has nothing to do with this.

You first response was to indicate that I was distorting the truth. That is an attack. You didn’t indicate I might have something wrong, you indicated that I wasn’t being truthful.

You follow up with a week argument about how the president signs it last, so it’s his budget.

I’m guessing you don’t have discussions with anyone that doesn’t agree with you where you don’t attack them. To bad, you might learn something now and then.

At no point did you address any of my other points.

That’s it for me. I’ll just keep laughing from the sidelines.

Ivan

September 13th, 2010
5:27 pm

Strange. I didn’t realize John Boehner said Republicans would shut down the House should they win it. Seeing as how he is Leader and all. Mitch McConnell must have said….wait, he didn’t either.

Oh, I get it. This is in that alternative Universe Cynthia lives in. So much for that “Right Wing” news station being the only medium distorting facts…..

calvinb

September 13th, 2010
5:35 pm

No what Americans want is a fair shake. Not the VOODOO ECONOMICS, WAR & DEATH, AND NO TAXES FOR THE RICH OF THE REPUBI-PUKERS AND THEIR DUMB CRONIES.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
5:39 pm

One in seven Americans are now considered below the poverty level.

From last year to this year was the largest increase in poverty in the united States since records started being kept in 1951.

Democrats love those poor people and the more people are poor they more they love it.

Ivan

September 13th, 2010
5:46 pm

Painting with the broad brush Cynthia uses, I suppose all Democrats want Socialism in the oil industry, as per Maxine Waters.

Tommy Maddox

September 13th, 2010
5:47 pm

Well Calvinb, I hope you’re enjoying your fair shake.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
5:48 pm

calvinb

Have the Democrats given anyone a fair shake?

When the government taxes people making over 250 G, 60% of those “people” are actually S-corporations that hire other people and sell us their products and services,

Those “people” have no choice but to increase the costs of those products and services and they will pass those taxes on to EVERYONE.

So we will all pay those taxes. Is that giving us a fair shake?

James

September 13th, 2010
5:53 pm

“toodles” what are you an 8 year old girl? get a job dude

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 13th, 2010
6:08 pm

How about we shut down SSI, Medicare and welfare. Then we stop playing police and get out of everyone’s backyard. Maybe try the fairtax and get rid of some more wasteful govt spending. Outlaw pork and instill term limits. Oh nevermind, I forgot that I was on a radical fascist/socialist blog. You people just want another govt tittie to suckle. Suckers! This ultra right wing conservative lunatic is going to get some supper with his family. See you all tomorrow morning for your daily dose of common sense from yours truly.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:08 pm

Why Nothing but Bully…. here is a link to the truth about your dubious claim. So-called wealthy are actually small business owners? The data is dubious direct from politifact….. but a lovely talking point. Not true at all and you have made further distortions that somehow failing to extend tax cuts to those over $250k will mean that those taxes are passed on to those buying goods/services….presumes a very distorted market economy and the ability to pass on the costs.

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
6:09 pm

And here we have it.

Proof positive that a protein drink cannot re-grow brain cells.

Of course, it’s impossible to re-grow that which did not exist in the first place.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:10 pm

In case my link did not work: Politifact link

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
6:10 pm

FairTax.

There’s your sign.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:11 pm

Keep up the good whine

Your link doesn’t work.