From the alternative universe, GOP plans for another government shutdown

For several months now, Newt Gingrich has been engaging in a revisionist history of his government shutdown of 1995, claiming that it was not only a good fiscal move but also great partisan politics.
That claim was so obviously nuts that there seemed little point in rebutting it. The government shutdown was disastrous for the Republicans in Congress. The public hated it, and it probably helped Bill Clinton to win re-election in 1996. Enuf said?
Apparently not. Ga. Congressman Lynn Westmoreland has joined the Gingrich bandwagon, calling for a government shutdown if Republicans win the House. (h/t Dave Weigel):

Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) addressed the Faith & Freedom Conference with a hook you’re hearing more and more often. He reminded the crowd that after Republicans won Congress in 1994, they forced a fight over the budget with President Clinton.

“The government shut down,” said Westmoreland — and the crowd started cheering. “That’s what I wanted to hear! A good clap for that!”

According to Westmoreland, if they won a House majority Republicans were going to be “ready to hold the line and get those courageous men and woman” in the new class to stand fast and shut down the government. How would they avoid a repeat of 1995/1996, when the public turned against the shutdown and the GOP buckled?

“We want you with us,” said Westmoreland. “We gotta have you there. Because they’re going to come and say, ‘Daddy can’t go to the VA, the national parks are closed’ … we need to make sure you’re going to be with us.”

For a bit of reality, here are excerpts from a Washington Post news story from Dec. 1995:

As House Plan Flops, GOP Shifts the Blame For Federal Shutdown

For two weeks, House Republicans behaved like belligerent true believers, so determined or desperate to achieve a balanced budget that they were willing to keep the government closed until they got their way.

Day after day, as they took a drubbing in the court of public opinion, their position hard ened. Committee chairmen stormed to the well of the House to quote Winston S. Churchill in full roar, promising “We shall never surrender.”

Only three days ago, Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) issued a public declaration that his troops — utterly frustrated in their dealings with the Clinton administration — would never vote to reopen the government unless a balanced budget deal had been reached.

That seemed to change Friday, when House Republicans suddenly began portraying themselves as friends of the federal work force and boasted of a plan that would return furloughed public employees to their jobs.

152 comments Add your comment

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:07 pm

Americans unemployed and slowly getting jobs, bills to help small business blocked by Republicans…etc, etc. Oh yes, what is good for America is a shut down of the government. That’ll help the economy.

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
3:21 pm

Sorry CT, but your blog makes little to no sense.
* Why does Republicans portraying themselves as friends of the federal work force not mean that they were serious about a balanced budgeet?
* Are you actually suggesting that their intent to have a balanced budget means that they hate govt employees and were later lying?

The funny thing is that they finally got a balanced budget which of course the current administration keeps crediting Clinton with, instead of the Republicans in congress who had control of the budgets sent to him.

So if I have to cut out a trip to Disney due to financial constraints, does it mean that if I tell my children I still love them that I’m being hypocritical?

PearlJam

September 13th, 2010
3:21 pm

I think the a balanced budget was that bad. If it happend again I would not be mad.

ATLshirt.com

September 13th, 2010
3:21 pm

All of you identify yourself as either Democrat, or Republican, and I am telling you, that they are both working together to destroy our country… The rich want it all for themselves, and while we sit here and fight between ourselves, those Rich Evil Republicans and Democrats are laughing at us while they count their money… Oh, and the Media is helping them to achieve their agenda!!

We are slowly having all of our rights taken away from us, they claim that they want to secure the boarder to keep illegals out, but, the truth is, they want to build a wall, in order to keep ALL OF US IN !!!!

Every communist country in history has built a wall to keep their SLAVE’s in their country… We are being Manipulated and not to mention, Nickled and Dimed till death!!!

NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION does it GRANT our government the POWER to MANDATE the people of this Country… The health care bill is Unconstitutional, I would suggest that everyone go and hire an attorney so that you all can file a lawsuit against our government for violating your RIGHTS!!!

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:23 pm

ATLShirt…. Georiga attorneys thank you. Why yes….all crazy cons should hire attorneys!

James

September 13th, 2010
3:27 pm

I am done with this blog- going to get a protein drink in an attempt to grow back a few brain cells.

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
3:29 pm

I am done with this blog- going to get a protein drink in an attempt to grow back a few brain cells.

Toodles.

KimikoCat

September 13th, 2010
3:31 pm

ATLshirt, do you have Orly Taitz’s phone number? I suspect she’s the only attorney up for a lawsuit like that. Attorneys work on contingency only in workers’ comp and personal injury cases, where they’re paid a percentage of any settlement or a judgment. For a case like this, what’s the incentive of any sensible attorney (i.e., almost anyone other than Orly Taitz) to sue the feds? Only a really big up-front retainer, that’s what–probably more than you can pay, unless you’re one of the Koch brothers.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:32 pm

Why GA Buddy…look what happens when you have facts. The budget was balanced in FY1994. Seems that the Republican effort in 1995 did not result in a change from unbalanced budgets to balanced. From factcheck:

During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.
This chart, based on historical figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, shows the total deficit or surplus for each fiscal year from 1990 through 2006. Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton’s predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.

Seems the argument was over how to approach a balanced budget and what to cut…

I hope you will not distort the truth again.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:32 pm

Is a slurpee a protein drink now?

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:34 pm

KimCat…I’ll take his check, but its got to be big and I am billing hourly….and of course, no guarantee of success!

Jimmy62

September 13th, 2010
3:38 pm

Seems like you should support the Tea Party, Cynthia. They want to get rid of all the incumbents (and I doubt many want Newt back, he might as well be an incumbent).

Libertarian

September 13th, 2010
3:39 pm

Week after week you (CT) are blogging about how great the Clinton years were (?)

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
3:45 pm

Keep up being pathetic

OMG. You are still here. This is your whole life. And you are horrible at it.

How incredibly sad.

Back to work.

Bully out . . .

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
3:46 pm

And let the distortions begin….hmmm… addressing current speech by Westmoreland which references repeating GOP failure in shutting down government is now CT blogging about the great Clinton years? Oh that is right, only crazy cons can reference the past, everything else must happen during Obama campaign/election/presidency or during 2 prior years of “Dem control of congress.” Is that what happens when you wear the 3d glasses at a Palin grizzly rally?

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
3:48 pm

@ keep up the fight

“I hope you will not distort the truth again.”

Can you show me where I distorted the truth? Under Clinton there were balanced budgets, YES, this is a true fact. Actually one I give him credit for. At no point do I say he did not have a balanced budget (if that is what you are getting at). My point is that the party in the majority, who was in charge of putting the budget together that was forwarded to the president was the Republicans.

President does not write or create laws or bills. He signs them into being. Legislative branch does that. Or maybe School House Rock got it all wrong.

This is from GPO access (govt website). Pay special attention to the last paragraph.

How Does the Government Create a Budget?
The President and Congress both play major roles in developing the Federal budget.

The President’s Budget
The law requires that, by the first Monday in February, the President submit to Congress his proposed Federal budget for the next fiscal year, which begins October 1.

The White House’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) prepares the budget proposal, after receiving direction from the President and consulting with his senior advisors and officials from Cabinet departments and other agencies.

The President’s budget–which typically includes a main book and several accompanying books1–covers thousands of pages and provides an abundance of details.

The Budget Process
Through the budget process, the President and Congress decide how much to spend and tax in any one fiscal year. More specifically, they decide how much to spend on each activity, ensure that the Government spends no more and spends it only for that activity, and report on that spending at the end of each budget cycle.

The President’s budget is his plan for the next year. But it’s just a proposal. After receiving it, Congress has its own budget process to follow. Only after the Congress passes, and the President signs, the required spending bills has the Government created its actual budget.

Billybob

September 13th, 2010
3:52 pm

Bad repubs, mean conservatives, we didn’t have to wait 1 hour from my comment for the Dem election template to begin…way to prove my point Tucker….please keep talking ma’am…

Libertarian

September 13th, 2010
3:56 pm

@Keep

My point was CT loved the Clinton years so perhaps what Newt and the Repubs did worked. She loves to talk about how prosperous the Clinton years were.

Peter

September 13th, 2010
4:13 pm

Will they add some Pork to the Bill ?

Blaylock

September 13th, 2010
4:17 pm

Tucker
Bet your mainstream media buddies can keep up the good work. Calling increases in spending cuts. It was a key to helping your guy Bill in the nineties. Please see our earlier conversation about why people don’t trust newspapers anymore.

Josh

September 13th, 2010
4:17 pm

Bahahahahaha. Another ludcrious blog by Cynthia. Clinton may have balanced the budget on paper but the budget was never balanced and there was never a surplus. Clinton moved the numbers around to make it appear that there was a balanced budget and surplus when there really was not. Clinton is a smart man but not as smart as the American people.

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
4:21 pm

@keep up the fight.

I’m still waiting. I’m nowhere near self centered enough to feel all my thoughts are correct, and have no problem admitting when I have something wrong. I just feel that I kind of do have the facts correct on this one but would be interested in where you feel they are not correct.

Is it that you feel the President writes and passes the budget and that congress really doesn’t do anything? Or maybe you don’t think the majority party has that much say. Or possibly, the threat of shutting down the govt by the Republicans as noted in CT’s story, had nothing to do with Clinton’s balanced budgets? (that’s probably the only one that I can see you argueing about how can you argue what someone was thinking) But then again, I just added that one so that can’t be it.

Anyway, I await your reply.

Disgusted

September 13th, 2010
4:27 pm

Clinton moved the numbers around to make it appear that there was a balanced budget and surplus when there really was not. Clinton is a smart man but not as smart as the American people.

You mean, like keeping the cost of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq “off the books” and not part of the federal budget, so that expenses did not appear to be as great as they were?

John

September 13th, 2010
4:29 pm

A School House Rock reset. Excellent!

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
4:29 pm

GA Buddy has watched a schoolhouse rock video….and believes that somehow, someway Congress does everything without any politics from the Executive Branch. Oh yes. The President just waits for things to come to his desk to sign… why what a misnomer Obamacare is, its obvious that he only signed it into law and that Congress was responsible for it.

But oh yes… why did the 1994 Congress get shut down if the Republicans had to power to pass the budget…oh here’s your clue.. Only after the Congress passes, and the President signs, the required spending bills has the Government created its actual budget. Maybe it would be clearer if it said…IF the President signs.

Joel

September 13th, 2010
4:34 pm

GA buddy, keep waiting, the only rebuttal you get will just be name calling and put downs.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
4:36 pm

CT – You mean Westmorland cannot bully pulpit like our HHS threatening insurance carriers through the national media a month before the election?

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
4:38 pm

50 days until the midterm elections.

Beverly

September 13th, 2010
4:44 pm

Sooner or later the federal government is going to have to de-leverage that is, reduce debt. Business, individuals and other governments have all faced up to the realities that debt is out of control and that reduced spending is essential to fixing the problem. The federal government just keeps rolling along.

Obama and his supporters seem to have embraced an alternate universe in which massive spending and big new government centric programs are appropriate. Even in finanancial reform, Obama seems to have reacted to excessive leverage by regulating consumer credit. An utter non sequitur. We get a more brittle, more politically correct financial sector but no regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac where $700 billion more problems still lurk for the taxpayer.

It seems that the Democrats in general and Obama in particuar are just too out of touch with the people to ever get it.

There was a window to establish an enduring democratic majority. Had Obama pursued his post racial, post partisan language to reality, he would not be having this disater on his hands. Instead he pursued standard, out of touch, liberal predictabilities and wrecked the country and his own party.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
4:44 pm

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
4:21 pm

@keep up the fight. — I’m still waiting

GA Buddy — A little childish isnt that? No where does it require that I address each and every post or in a time requirement. Delusions of self-importance?

Again as noted orginally, the FY1994 balanced budget was passed before the government shut down so to claim that the reason subsequent budgets were balanced were the responsibility of the Republicans fails to be responsive or supported by the evidence.

barking frog

September 13th, 2010
4:52 pm

If they keep going on strike, we may have to outsource
the government to India.

Mallory

September 13th, 2010
4:55 pm

In case you haven’t noticed, Ms. Tucker, that’s exactly what the majority of Americans want–if not a shutdown, then a slowdown.

After looking at the election results of the ‘96 congressional election, in that election the GOP lost about a net two seats in the House, Linda Killian, who is a reporter for National Public Radio, certainly no redoubt Republican apologist, concluded the election really can’t be seen as a repudiation of the ‘94 revolution. The dozen freshman or so who lost in their specifc races did so for the reason that most candidates lose, they really weren’t that good as candidates. In fact, if you look at the freshman that were the most hardcore on cutting spending, they actually increased their vote totals. That’s especially astonishing since, one, Clinton was actually able to gain traction politcally in those specific districts and labor unions actually spent about $35 million trying unseat many of the GOP reformers.

And so, in light of these seemingly impossible odds, the budget cutters were the ones that actually ended up prevailing in larger and larger portions in terms of vote share in the ‘96 election.

Linda Killian, left-leaning NPR, knows what is in the mind of the people.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
4:58 pm

Beverly…now I suspect a very closed mind but a little hard to blame Obama for the Republican stance that $700 billion in tax cuts be extended to those making over $250k and that the cost of those cuts just be added to the federal deficit.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
5:10 pm

Obama for the Republican stance that $700 billion in tax cuts be extended to those making over $250k and that the cost of those cuts just be added to the federal deficit.
—————————————————————————-

Not if spending is cut. Every dollar saved by cutting a budget, I say a because there isn’t a current federal budget, will not have to be borrowed.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
5:16 pm

Tech Man… your post is unclear but if you are saying that the tax cuts do not have to be paid for (the Republican stance) then where is the budget being cut? Cutting revenue without cutting spending means increasing deficit.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
5:18 pm

If spending is cut then an equal amount of tax cut does not have to be borrowed.

GA Buddy

September 13th, 2010
5:19 pm

@ keep up the fight

“A little childish isnt that?”

Kind of like?

“GA Buddy has watched a schoolhouse rock video….and believes that somehow, someway Congress does everything without any politics from the Executive Branch. Oh yes. The President just waits for things to come to his desk to sign… why what a misnomer Obamacare is, its obvious that he only signed it into law and that Congress was responsible for it. ”

The Clinton years show a steady decline in deficit until 1998 when they hit surplus. All the more kudos to him.

Your remarks about Obama care have really nothing to do with this debate. I’d be more then happy to talk to you on why that is called “obama care” but that really has nothing to do with this.

You first response was to indicate that I was distorting the truth. That is an attack. You didn’t indicate I might have something wrong, you indicated that I wasn’t being truthful.

You follow up with a week argument about how the president signs it last, so it’s his budget.

I’m guessing you don’t have discussions with anyone that doesn’t agree with you where you don’t attack them. To bad, you might learn something now and then.

At no point did you address any of my other points.

That’s it for me. I’ll just keep laughing from the sidelines.

Ivan

September 13th, 2010
5:27 pm

Strange. I didn’t realize John Boehner said Republicans would shut down the House should they win it. Seeing as how he is Leader and all. Mitch McConnell must have said….wait, he didn’t either.

Oh, I get it. This is in that alternative Universe Cynthia lives in. So much for that “Right Wing” news station being the only medium distorting facts…..

calvinb

September 13th, 2010
5:35 pm

No what Americans want is a fair shake. Not the VOODOO ECONOMICS, WAR & DEATH, AND NO TAXES FOR THE RICH OF THE REPUBI-PUKERS AND THEIR DUMB CRONIES.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
5:39 pm

One in seven Americans are now considered below the poverty level.

From last year to this year was the largest increase in poverty in the united States since records started being kept in 1951.

Democrats love those poor people and the more people are poor they more they love it.

Ivan

September 13th, 2010
5:46 pm

Painting with the broad brush Cynthia uses, I suppose all Democrats want Socialism in the oil industry, as per Maxine Waters.

Tommy Maddox

September 13th, 2010
5:47 pm

Well Calvinb, I hope you’re enjoying your fair shake.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
5:48 pm

calvinb

Have the Democrats given anyone a fair shake?

When the government taxes people making over 250 G, 60% of those “people” are actually S-corporations that hire other people and sell us their products and services,

Those “people” have no choice but to increase the costs of those products and services and they will pass those taxes on to EVERYONE.

So we will all pay those taxes. Is that giving us a fair shake?

James

September 13th, 2010
5:53 pm

“toodles” what are you an 8 year old girl? get a job dude

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 13th, 2010
6:08 pm

How about we shut down SSI, Medicare and welfare. Then we stop playing police and get out of everyone’s backyard. Maybe try the fairtax and get rid of some more wasteful govt spending. Outlaw pork and instill term limits. Oh nevermind, I forgot that I was on a radical fascist/socialist blog. You people just want another govt tittie to suckle. Suckers! This ultra right wing conservative lunatic is going to get some supper with his family. See you all tomorrow morning for your daily dose of common sense from yours truly.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:08 pm

Why Nothing but Bully…. here is a link to the truth about your dubious claim. So-called wealthy are actually small business owners? The data is dubious direct from politifact….. but a lovely talking point. Not true at all and you have made further distortions that somehow failing to extend tax cuts to those over $250k will mean that those taxes are passed on to those buying goods/services….presumes a very distorted market economy and the ability to pass on the costs.

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
6:09 pm

And here we have it.

Proof positive that a protein drink cannot re-grow brain cells.

Of course, it’s impossible to re-grow that which did not exist in the first place.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:10 pm

In case my link did not work: Politifact link

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
6:10 pm

FairTax.

There’s your sign.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:11 pm

Keep up the good whine

Your link doesn’t work.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:14 pm

Nothing but a bully…try the 6:10…already fixed

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:14 pm

Keep up the good whine

- -presumes a very distorted market economy and the ability to pass on the costs.- -

The ability to pass on costs? You question a businesses ability to pass on costs?

So you not only set on your butt all day blogging, but you have no idea of how a business works.

The perfect liberal.

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 13th, 2010
6:15 pm

You’re just scared that there will not be enough revenue for handouts. You are probably correct. That is not a bad thing. We need to break with the socialist agenda and cut off the govt tit. Commies go home. Capitalists live here.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:21 pm

Keep up the good whine:

From YOUR source:

(An S corporation is simply a corporation that chooses to pass corporate income, losses, deductions and credit through to their shareholders for federal tax purposes.) The Treasury Department estimated that 75 percent of tax payers in the top bracket reported this type of income.

My mistake. According to the IRS, it’s 75% of tax payers in the top brackets reported this type of income.

Then it also said this:

It’s impossible to know how many of these high earners are what most people think of as small business owners.

And this: You would have to report total income of more than $200,000 (or $250,000 for couples) after all your business expenses were deducted.

So you proved WHAT?

Moderate Line

September 13th, 2010
6:21 pm

Shutting the government down appeals to the conservative base who believe the government doesn’t do anything but would be a complete disaster if actually implemented. Plus the Republicans would not get the benefit of doubt even if it was Obama fault because of their anti-government rhetoric and their past action.

This is what happens when you are from an district which leans heavily in one direction. You start believe your views which are eschewed to the left or right are actually normal.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:22 pm

Nothing but a bully… Your misguided presumptions about my life/business aside….again a simple fact….in a competitive market, whether Business A may pass along a cost may very well depend on what Businesses C, D, E and F in the same industry may do. In fact as we are talking about income taxes, Business A may very well have to suck up the tax. Have I simplified it for you….but that presumes your original claim is correct, which is demonstrably dubious.

I’d call you a “perfect crazy con” but that would insult even their intelligence.

James

September 13th, 2010
6:23 pm

Kamchak- 10k certified funds posted for an quiz any time, anywhere my big talking sport

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:24 pm

Every years since 1998, Congress has failed to have a budget ready by the deadline so every single year we have had limited government for a few weeks in order for the Congress to get the budget out the door.

Little things that people like ctucker love to omit.

James

September 13th, 2010
6:24 pm

economic, political, atlanta history, sports- you name it.

tried to lend you money a few months back to by a dozer to get back to work-

James

September 13th, 2010
6:25 pm

Proof positive that a lib loves to do nothing but throw stones and act “blog tought” good luck with that little sport

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:26 pm

Bully…. guess you failed to read the full article. here let me give you a glimpse of what is farther down:

It’s impossible to know how many of these high earners are what most people think of as small business owners. One indication, however, might be if these wealthy taxpayers reported that most of their income was from this business-type income. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center analyzed IRS data in March 2009, looking to see how many wealthy tax filers could say that half of their income or more came from business income. The center found that, among the wealthiest filers — the top 1 percent — only 25 percent earned more than half their income from business-type income. The percentages for non-wage income were even smaller among taxpayers earning less. (Editor’s note: After we initially published this item, the Tax Policy Center released a new analysis looking at business income by tax bracket. They found that in the top bracket, only 32.5 percent earned more than half their income that way.)

Should I post the rest? Hmmm it may be too much to assume you can read and comprehend.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
6:26 pm

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:22 pm

My business and many, many others cannot “pass along” expense increases including taxes.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:27 pm

Keep up the good whine

And the little b1tch resorts to name calling yet again.

I guess when you have nothing of a life except trying to justify THIS government on the day that the highest poverty rate increase in history was announced, you have to take it out on somebody.

We ALL see your life/business. You are here 18 hours a day, being made into a fool.

Being on welfare must give you a lot of time, huh?

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
6:29 pm

You’re just scared that there will not be enough revenue for handouts.

Nope, no fear monger I.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:32 pm

Keep up the good whine

The article doesn’t even address the subject matter. It is about what percentage of the income of people making over $250 grand is made from small business.

I never quoted a percentage, however, the article did INCREASE my estimate from 60 to 75%

The post proved nothing as to whether or not small business owners would or wouldn’t pass the tax along.

Your lame point about competition not allowing passing taxes on to customers is nothing but nonsense. No wonder you spend your life here. Your business acumen sucks.

At the Switch

September 13th, 2010
6:33 pm

Oh my god the city of Atlanta hired a white guy to run the airport. Hell just froze over and CT is pissed

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:34 pm

Tech man…I certainly understand. However if you have income in excess of $250,000 you certainly can afford more than the 99% who dont earn that much.

Nothing but a Bully…. tsk, tsk…. whine whine. You are proven wrong and you rant like a little girl and continue to insult. Like I care at all what you think I earn or do for a living. Now again, trot along and don’t trip over those hooves.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:36 pm

Correction:

I never quoted a percentage, however, the article did INCREASE my estimate from 60 to 75% of the NUMBER of number of PEOPLE WHO draw part of their income from small businesses.

So I am absolutely correct. NOW 75% of the people who will have their taxes increased DO won small businesses and those businesses will pass those taxes on to their customers.

Thanks for trying, wimp.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:37 pm

Why Bully….I guess you are calling Tech Man a liar.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:39 pm

Keep up setting on your fat butt

I was wrong because I underestimated the percentage of people who earn over 250G who own small businesses.

That went from 60 to 75%.

You weren’t wrong because you simply were too dumb to even address the actual subject matter.

You weren’t wrong. You were completely lost, not even knowing what I was discussing.

Now please, little boy. How about some really good whining.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:42 pm

Should have known you would fail to read and comprehend. Let me cut to the end for you:

In conclusion, do many wealthy tax payers report types of business income that might be from owning a small business? Sure. But it’s impossible to tell how many meet the definition of what most of us think of when we think of small business owners. Other data indicate that among all tax payers who might be small business owners, most would not see taxes go up if the Bush tax cuts for the highest earners are allowed to expire. Hayes said that “these so-called wealthy, most of them are small-business owners.” We rate that statement Barely True

I dont have to argue or whine. The point is very clear by politifact. Enjoy your slurpee!

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
6:47 pm

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:34 pm

I am certainly glad you have decided what I can or cannot afford. I am sure you and your ilk will dictate even more to my customers and myself.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:52 pm

Keep collecting welfare

- -Hayes said that “these so-called wealthy, most of them are small-business owners.” We rate that statement Barely True- -

Get it? The statement was true. Most of the so called rich are small business owners, which is exactly the point I was making.

- -I dont have to argue or whine.- -

Then why the hell are you here 18 hours a day, insulting and attacking everyone that disagrees with you and then whine like a little girl when you get it back?

It is the same complaint from every single poster who tries to have a civil adult discussion with you. You are generally just too stupid to even understand most of the discussions, as you have just wasted my time to clearly point out to me.

you wasted my time. I ALREADY KNEW YOU DIDN”T KNOW WHAT I WAS EVEN DISCUSSING, and then you are just stupid enough to post the conclusion that SUPPORTED WHAT I SAID.

Idiot.

jconservative

September 13th, 2010
6:54 pm

“The funny thing is that they finally got a balanced budget…”

True. Three years later. After they had backed down, cowered and got back to business as usual. Then they decided to listen to the guy they ignored in 1995 & 1996, John Kasich. Then with full cooperation from some in the administration, not the President, they got a “balanced budget”.

And Clinton signed it. Three times he signed a balanced budget.

Can you name the last Republican president to sign a balanced budget?

Answer: Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Moral of the story: a lot of Republican presidents signed huge budgets with huge deficits and never had a second thought.

You gonna say its the Democrats fault, right?

You also gonna say the moon is made outta green cheese, right?

What is more predictable than snow in the middle of a snowstorm?

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
6:54 pm

OH NOES! NOT THE ILK CARD!

I’m melting…melting…melting….

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:56 pm

Ahh…the ilk reference. Personally Techman, I dont think $250,000 annual income makes anyone rich. But the simple fact is that 99% of Americans are well below that income level so its difficult to whine, althought I certainly dont feel my income compares to the “truly rich.”

You have already indicated that the tax increase to those making income above $250,000 would not be passed along to your customers. It impacts your income. But then again, the original tax cuts were never well advised. They should never have been passed. Consider it a 10 year benefit you never should have gotten. Those making less than $250,000 (many of whom did not get the same % of benefit as you did) will get a few more years but not permenant tax cuts. Now if we had not spent money on a war that was “off the books” perhaps we would have a managable deficit. If we had proper regulation of Wall Street, perhaps we would not have had a recession that nearly became a depression. But those were not the cards dealt…so time for all of us to tighten our belts. Let’s get smarter government and get spending under control.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:57 pm

jconservative

- -Can you name the last Republican president to sign a balanced budget?- -

Can you name the last Republican president that had a Republican Congress, the actual people who draft the budget?

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:01 pm

“barely true” does not mean it stands for the proposition…Really, you dont even know how Politifact works? Bugs Bunny summed you up best I guess…”what a maroon!”

Kam…do I have to drink more for the ilk reference?

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
7:05 pm

Keep up the good fight!

That’s a separate drinking game. Same one shot rule.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:09 pm

If I keep drinking, Kam, the crazy cons may start to make sense, although I wonder if I truly can drink that much. I tried substituting jelly beans but hate losing teeth to sugar rot.

Alatsea

September 13th, 2010
7:09 pm

There’s an intelligent partnership keep up the good farts hater of everyone with their own opinion and and kamchak digger of trench’s, oh kammy the captain called and it’s your turn in the barrel. Two pea brains in a pod sport. All their missing is that crazy old lady. Thank god she finally got her grand child we were all tired of hearing about it.

Alatsea

September 13th, 2010
7:10 pm

YO HO HO and a bottle of ILK

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:15 pm

Okay…Bully. Let me walk you throught what a “barely true” rating means:

BARELY TRUE – The statement contains some element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression.

So cheer your continued ignorance!

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:18 pm

green cheese and a bottle of ilk?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 13th, 2010
7:25 pm

Maybe they’ll just shut down the parts that contribute nothing beneficial to society, i.e., everything in government other than the military.

Independent

September 13th, 2010
7:26 pm

If the Republicans repeal the part of health-care reform that mandates each individual must purchase insurance, I hope they have the guts to follow that with its logical counterpoint: if an individual chooses not to buy insurance, then becomes injured or ill and goes to the hospital, the hospital should be REQUIRED to have payment in advance or the patient is transported to the curb and LEFT TO DIE!!!! Not only that, but in interest of protecting the rest of us, you also have to rescind the part about no turning people down for pre-existing conditions. The two points go together.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
7:30 pm

So how many of the top tax bracket people are there that had 49.00% down to lets say 32.5% of there reported income from “small business” are there?

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
7:35 pm

Yes, I liked using ILK. I hate it when CT uses it so I threw it out there. Funny, the people that complain about me using it were not the same that complain about CT using it.

Alatsea

September 13th, 2010
7:39 pm

Fight

Blue cheese and ilk is quite good also

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
7:41 pm

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:56 pm

You are correct, it doesn’t make you rich. And no I am not making it this year or last. I hope to make it next year if private sector demand picks up. So, no I didn’t benefit for years like Joy Behar and Woopie have so why am I being penalized?

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
7:42 pm

Alatsea

September 13th, 2010
7:39 pm

Blue cheese is great on many things!

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:50 pm

Tech man….. I can’t tell you. Remember the Republican uses reconciliation to pass the tax cuts and that is why there was a 10 year limit — because it has negative budget impact. So perhaps you need to ask the crazy cons why the rich like Koch Brothers should keep getting tax cuts or why they should be able to keep creating astroturf groups to try to advance their personal objectives.

Hopefully you would benefit from some of the small business bills the Dems have proposed if the Republicans stop blocking them.

rdh

September 13th, 2010
7:51 pm

And lets look at the budgets and fiscal success that Clinton devotees take credit for… REPUBLICAN OPPOSITION made Clinton economically successful. I don’t know what you are complaining about Cynthia. You pat Clinton on the back for his economic success, and then vilify the Congress that put those budgets on his desk? Yeah, if a new Republican Congress forces Obama to the middle and to stop spending money that will enslave our children, that will be a good thing. That is what Congress did to Clinton, and it worked.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
7:56 pm

Keep setting on your butt

Still here. Still claiming you are right when you obviously aren’t. Businesses pass taxes on to their customers. Who do you think pays the increased costs?

On second thought, I really don’t care what your ignorant arse thinks. You have wasted enough of my time already.

And you are still here.

Get a life.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

September 13th, 2010
7:57 pm

After the military and the CDC, you could eliminate 90% of the budget and nobody would know the difference. They would find other, better ways to handle their health care, etc., etc., etc. Government only destroys things.

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
7:58 pm

I hear that TuEsDaY vAnDy GiRl enjoys swabbing decks.

casual observer

September 13th, 2010
8:18 pm

Can we get a Socialist AJC shutdown?

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
8:22 pm

Nothing but Bully….really a “second thought”. The presumption that you had a “first thought” is beyond comprehension to intelligent life.

As pointed out by an intelligent Palin (not of the Sarah grizzly ilk – of the Monty Python Palins)..”an argument is an intellectual process, while contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.” When you are ready for the intellectual process, please feel free to drop in!

mystified

September 13th, 2010
8:26 pm

I don’t believe Newt has any intention of closing down the government; But that statement has got him an awful lot of media attention. Now he can compromise and settle for only repealing everything this congress passed.

Ronin

September 13th, 2010
8:35 pm

Hmm… Maybe the federal government will shut down and stay closed. They can’t spend any of our money if they aren’t there to fight over spending it.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
8:36 pm

Keep up the good fight!
September 13th, 2010
7:50 pm
Thank you for your response.
——
Yes, I remember the Republican uses reconciliation to pass the tax cuts and that is why there was a 10 year limit. Liberals have been screaming for 10 years about it. So when Obama, Pelosi, Reed use reconciliation and cooked books to make Obamacare “revenue neutral” so the sunset provisions don’t apply you realize why old, close to retirement age, cheap business owners are complaining.
——-

you need to ask the crazy cons why the rich like Koch Brothers
——
No, I benefit when others make money. Then they spend more with me. It’s ironic that the top of the top don’t have earned income to claim. Their earnings are from their investments. Now that Obama wants to tax some of that it is funny to see Mort and crew in Colorado reaming out the tax policy. When it was earned income they were all for it because it didn’t really affect them.
——
Astroturf – you must also mean the union people bussed around the country.
——

Hopefully you would benefit from some of the small business bills the Dems. I highy doubt it. Sales organizations are not big in R&D and expanding people will most likely be on a 1099 basis. I prefer to have some cash in my pocket to invest in what I think will make my business grow not some jump through the hoops rules Obama and company create.
——
The end result will be we will comply with whatever is passed and will make the best of it for as long as Obama’s new regs allow us to exist which may be as short as two years or 2014.

brokebottom

September 13th, 2010
8:46 pm

Whatever it takes to rid America of the likes of Obama. Cynthia, if this is going to hurt the GOP so badly, why are you whining? Besides Obama has done everything but shut down our government. Redistribution of wealth, health care conceived and approved behing closed doors, a failed stimulus and all of the other goofy concepts that this president has fostered. Obama was not ready to be president. He let his communist friends convince him he was the man for the job. He was not and never will be a fit president. And please let him take his whining public speeches back to the oval room closet for practice. Adios to this one termer.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
9:04 pm

Keep acting like a fool

So you start the post with an insult that would make any middle schooler embarrassed for you, you use a line from a comedy movie as a reference and then you tell me that when I am ready for an intellectual discussion, drop in.

As usual, you have made yourself out to be a fool much better than I ever could.

Sandman053

September 13th, 2010
9:07 pm

I just don’t understand the shutting down the government thing….if they are non-essential employees, then why the heck are they there in the first place?

lynnie gal

September 13th, 2010
9:20 pm

I hope they do it! This will affect all those retired white tea partying deadbeats on social security and medicare who have been screaming about getting a healthcare deal for everyone else. It’s time they got their due from their heros, Newt, Palin, Beck and Limpbawl. I’d love to see how they’ll do when the checks stop coming from the government they hate so much.

Bob

September 13th, 2010
9:20 pm

That would be such a disaster, can you imagine the states and cities trying to get by without the likes of Nancy Pelosi guiding us gently through the tough times we face today. How can we be safe from the long arm of corporate greed if we did not have our own John Lewis leading us dowm the path of certainty and prosperity. Why are these mean republicans going to cut us off from our savior, big gov ?

Nute Gingrich

September 13th, 2010
9:55 pm

What we need to do is get rid of abortion on demand. We have to keep marriage a sacred institution between man and woman. Reagan never deficit spend and everybody was afraid of him after we won the cold war. We need tax cuts for the rich because what history shows is when the rich keep their money they create jobs with it. What we need is prayer back in school too. If it weren’t for the radical muslims Obama wouldn’t be president because most of the nation wouldn’t have voted for him if they’d have known he’d ram healthcare down our throats. If Sarah Palin was VP now we would be the most respected and admire republic in the world. We need to get rid of Social Security because mutual fund companies are cheaper and you will definitely make money. All the warnings about the risk of loss wouldn’t be there if Obama and co. would take their mitts off business and let the free market work. The stock market has never crashed and if you invested all the money from social security into the stock market instead then everybody in america would be rich, nobody would be poor if we put religion back in schools. Churches would feed and clothe the poor like they always have. Bush kept us safe. When Clinton didn’t do anything about the USS Cole then 9/11 would never have happened because Dar Es Salaam is right beside Kabul, where bin Laden was able to walk to when Clinton tied the military’s arm behind its back.

TnGelding

September 13th, 2010
10:02 pm

No need to worry. The Tea Party candidates will flame out in the weeks leading up to the election, and Obama has finally taken the gloves off. Let’s rumble!

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
10:28 pm

TnGelding

The skinny little lawyer with the worst job approval ratings at this time in his administration is taking off his gloves?

I am terrified!!!

MAC

September 13th, 2010
10:29 pm

Williebkind

September 13th, 2010
10:53 pm

I remember the so called government shut down! Only services needed run the country was targeted to remain open. I ask you Cynthia, “Is that not what the American people want?” Less government and more bang for their buck!

Williebkind

September 13th, 2010
10:55 pm

OMG that should be “were targeted not was targeted”. I am to be lambasted now!

Mike

September 13th, 2010
11:06 pm

Republicans: Poopy

susan

September 13th, 2010
11:19 pm

This is it – I have tried to read your opinion pieces but it is always the same thing – racism, republicans stink, lalalalalalala. Why you have been allowed to work for the AJC all these years is a testament to their falling readership. Try to look at things from both sides CT and come up with something that will shock your readers. I had never paid attention to you before and I had a friend tell me that I needed to start reading your articles (she was laughing when she said it). I have read for about one month now and have seen absolutely nothing new from you other than the same rantings that inform everyone that you hate republicans and most conservative white people are racist. The real news would be if CT would come up with some new opinions than those you have been giving for a month and according to some of your readers for years! Bore!

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
11:37 pm

susan

You are asking her to give up her career.

If she stops being racially divisive, who would read what she writes?

That’s probably being unfair on my part because I have never read anything she wrote that had any heart to it, so she might be the next Sam Clemens for all I know.

She may have a passion for travel, antiques, archeology, astronomy, writing fiction, who knows? But the rule in the media is that you dance with the one that brought you and racially divisive articles is what got the attention of the mainstream media.

So now she is a tool for the Democratic Party who lives and breaths the mantra of “Us vs.Them”. And with race being their big hammer this year, she would be crazy not to ride the lighting until we can start to get along again.

Just my two cents.

susan

September 13th, 2010
11:54 pm

Nothing is Free

I agree – it is unfortunate that she has chose a career in journalism – These articles are a reminder of how far journalism has fallen. Years ago writers like CT would not have been able to find a job – As I stated earlier no wonder newspapers (including the AJC) have lost so many readers. You would think that the AJC and other major newspapers would understand that their liberal bias is a big part of the readership loss. I know – I work in the newspaper business and talk to a lot of the customers that cancel their subscriptions. I have enjoyed reading your comments from some of her other articles.

Telly B

September 14th, 2010
12:05 am

People please — there are liberal commentators/bloggers and there are conservative bloggers. Ms. Tucker is a liberal blogger; Kyle Wingfield is a conservative blogger and his comments have a conservative slant. Ms. Tucker has a liberal slant; it’s not rocket science. I read these blogs fairly often and think most people comment based on their already-established liberal or conservative leaning. I don’t think Ms. Tucker or Mr. Wingfield are “tools” for either political party, but instead are commenting based on their political leanings. It’s nothing new and I think we all should just acknowledge that and stop being so petty.

And another thing, I often see comments on the AJC’s declining subcribers. I would be surprised if it didn’t have more to do with more people, like me, who have decided to go paperless to save money and for convenience. Newspapers all over the country have declining subscribers. It’s simply changing times IMHO.

Nothing Is Free

September 14th, 2010
12:19 am

susan

She might be a great journalist. Who would know?

I also work in the media. If I had been button-holed to direct ultra conservative shows like Hannity or Beck, I would have never had the experiences I have had or seen what I have seen. I would be much better off financially, but I love what I do, even though I sometimes wonder who would watch the stuff I produce.

I’m a lucky man. but we are all Americans so who among us are not the ultimate lottery winners when you consider how many people have been born on this planet and here we are, at the sunrise of this new millennium, living and loving in the good old U.S. of A. Of the billions and billions that have been born, we hit the ultimate jackpot.

susan

September 14th, 2010
12:25 am

Telly B

I agree that there are conservative and liberal bloggers. I read quite a few of both. However, CT’s blogs are insulting, extremely one-sided, and repetitive. I enjoy reading blogs from people with different ideas. What Ms. Tucker does is try to pit one political side against the other. As far as your comment about newspapers and readers going paperless I would agree. I know my children would much rather read their news online due to time contraints. What is a concern to print companies is how many readers we have lost due to what the reader construes as medial liberal bias. As I said I work in the news business and I hear these comments from customers on a continual basis. One of the problems that newspapers are encountering is that the majority of top editors for the opinion pages and the news pages are very liberal. This comes out in their opinion pieces and their articles. In addition, I realize that Ms. Tucker has a blog but her articles are also published in the hard copy of the paper. Most of the people that purchase the paper do not lean as far to the left as Ms. Tucker and will not continue to purchase the paper when she has basically called her reader a racist and an idiot.

susan

September 14th, 2010
12:27 am

Nothing is Free

You are 100% right! We are extremely lucky and have been blessed to live our lives in this free country!

Nothing Is Free

September 14th, 2010
12:29 am

Telly B

Ms Tucker’s liberal slant is not what made her the darling of MSNBC. It is her racial divisiveness and her attractiveness that has put her there. When pretty people say something, it seems to mean more.

A well spoken, educated attractive Black female who is willing to carry the banner for the Party of George Wallace . . . yes, she is being used and considering the racially divisive mantra of the democratic Party, she has some really good job security.

There’s lots of reasons why Newspapers are folding. Cost of printing is one of the main reasons. The AJC is usually 4-8 pages long and what does it cost now? Isn’t it like a buck during the week and their big selling point for the Sunday edition is the coupons you can clip? Three reporters used to cover the Capitol and now one covers the capitol and a large part of the city and state so the coverage just absolutely sucks.

But of course local TV News is also in trouble.

The big surprise to me is that only Rupert Murdock has been the only tycoon who has figured out the huge market demand for a conservative leaning network. FOX came on line in 92 and it’s still the only one.

Wouldn’t it be a real hoot to have an actual News Network and not the mouth piece for either party?

Nothing Is Free

September 14th, 2010
1:03 am

susan

I think the most telling thing about her articles is the amount of cut and paste from other authors. That screams that she is only at the AJC to make that paycheck and her real love is elsewhere, probably setting under those tungsten TV lights, giving her support for the racist agenda of the democratic Party.

Pundits just don’t make much more than the plane fare and housing so she needs the AJC. Would MSNBC kick her to the curb if they could no longer intro her as a journalist for a major US newspaper? I don’t know. But I’m sure she wonders what would happen if a big dog at the network decides that her usefulness as an attack dog would dry up.

CNN gave Joy Bayhar (SP?) her own show and she is pretty horrible, but she is white and these are the democrats. They have no problem using Black people but they almost never let them have their own shows, and that includes all the mainstream media.

And sadly that also includes FOX even though I’m pretty sure FOX would hire Herman Cain long before MSNBC would give Ms Tucker her own show.

HCo

September 14th, 2010
1:06 am

Shut down the government while we are fighting a war? Is that what Newt said?

kevinbgoode

September 14th, 2010
4:45 am

susan sez: ” What is a concern to print companies is how many readers we have lost due to what the reader construes as medial liberal bias. As I said I work in the news business and I hear these comments from customers on a continual basis. One of the problems that newspapers are encountering is that the majority of top editors for the opinion pages and the news pages are very liberal. This comes out in their opinion pieces and their articles.”

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You have obviously never studied either the history of newspapers or anything having to do with agendasetting and gatekeeping theories. Merely repeating some memorized mantra about perceptions about bias, (especially targeting only one ideology) clearly indicates that you are shilling for another ideological point of view.
So. . .you claim the “majority of top editors for the opinion pages and the news pages are very liberal. This comes out in their opinion pages and their news articles.”

Please provide us your research design to make this determination.

He turned me into a Newt

September 14th, 2010
6:57 am

Ms. Tucker,
You leave out the best part of the story. I shut down the government because I didn’t get a seat at the front of Air Force One for Prime Minister Rabin’s funeral.

Newt in 2012: “Leadership the 4 year old way”…take your ball and go home style.

TnGelding

September 14th, 2010
6:59 am

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
10:28 pm

That skinny little lawyer knows how to kick GOP butt and has proved it. That said, his style resembles the New England cowboy too much for my blood. He needs to be more like the Man from Hope.

Memo to GOP: know when to say no.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 14th, 2010
7:32 am

Dear, dear, woe is me. How can we survive a week without the highly paid lawyers at the SEC? What will we do without the bureaucrats blocking drugs at the FDA? What if – horrrors! – the FTC is not there to do whatever the heck they do? How can we unthinking people survive such a vicious world without Big Brother?

ken

September 14th, 2010
7:35 am

Cuba has the right idea. Get rid if govt employees NOW. November please.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

September 14th, 2010
8:04 am

Cuba is eliminating 500,000 jobs. Im sure we could “trim the fat” “weed out the weakling” “cull the deadwood” by so much more.

These lazy, sorry, good for nothing, State/Federal employees need to be fired.

South Georgia Farmer

September 14th, 2010
8:08 am

Ronin, are you saying no air traffic contorllers, no social security checks for grandma, no VA hospital medical help for veterans, no military, no inspections of roads and bridges, no FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, no inspections of foods and drugs, no student loans and grants for college students, no inspections of mines and oil wells and drilling, no one to prosecute criminals, no one running federal prisons and on and on? Is that what you are saying?

ButtHead

September 14th, 2010
8:09 am

With the government so out of touch with American’s a shutdown would be beneficial to the people. That means that the less these losers do the better off we are… Maybe the maid set should be that the only way that the congress/senate/house gets together is to CUT spending. No new spending till we balance the budget and start paying back our children.

Peadawg

September 14th, 2010
8:14 am

“so determined or desperate to achieve a balanced budget”

What’s wrong with this exactly?

skydog

September 14th, 2010
8:25 am

Susan /Nothing is Free….get a room and close the blinds please.

LESS GOVERNMENT! Screw the Gulf of Mexico. I buy and sell shrimp from Korea.

Let um die on the curb outside the emergency room! Jesus can`t afford no deadbeats.

Drill Baby Drill! Repubs LAST great Mantra.

We could save tons of energy if John “the orangeman” Boner turned of that tanning bed.
WTF? Does he NOT know he is ORANGE? Does he not have friends that would say, John, You are orange.

Big D

September 14th, 2010
8:26 am

Ct…You know whats really funny…you and your ilk love to refer back to Clinton’s balanced budget and surplus and you just proved that you knew all along it was a GOP Congress that was willing to take a P.R. hit to do it…Thank YOU>>>

Big D

September 14th, 2010
8:29 am

SGF….Can you pay for anything when you have NO money in your checking account????
This country is way beyond broke and we need to reel in our Rodeo Drive budget President.

skydog

September 14th, 2010
8:40 am

…..or we could do like Bush did and hide the expenses.
Better a Rodeo Drive budget President than a brush clearing War Criminal who was trying to FORCE end of days stupidity.

Larry

September 14th, 2010
8:45 am

But Cynthia, you keep telling us that the budget deficit is a Republican problem and now you go and show that the Republican’s did try to balance the budget. Very interesting spin on this and now you are trying to say that is revisionist…..

David S

September 14th, 2010
8:46 am

Whoever wants to shut down the federal government has my support. I remember the first time it happened. I still have the newspaper headline framed at my house. What a wonderful day. This is finally a suggestion from the Republicans that would do some good for the country.

ctucker

September 14th, 2010
8:47 am

Larry@8:45, By the time Clinton left office, the budget was balanced. What happened since then?

ctucker

September 14th, 2010
8:50 am

Big D@8:26, it was a compromise between Republicans and Democrats that produced that balanced budget. Part of the compromise was a TAX INCREASE.

Larry

September 14th, 2010
9:28 am

Here are a few…

.com burst caused by investor greed and ignorance
9/11
the Iraq war
the Afganistan war
Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae meltdown leading to
the housing bubble burst
uncontrolled spending by both parties
uncontrolled expansion of Federal government
an aging workforce
and I can’t wait to see the impact of Obamacare coming at you in the later part of this decade….

Big D

September 14th, 2010
9:38 am

Skydog…??? Name says it all..out there.
CT,Good point …GOP TRYING and working with a President..yes GOP Congress can do it..NO Obama Can’t

Joseph Pinto

September 14th, 2010
9:38 am

FIRE CYNTHIA— I think all your OPED pieces are a ‘witty’ paragraph written by you with no substance or argument. Then you quote another news source. Start doing some real journalism and take your garbage to some other city.

ctucker

September 14th, 2010
9:47 am

Pinto@9:38, I have a better idea: Why don’t you take your “garbage” comments to another blog?

The Thin Guy

September 14th, 2010
9:50 am

Yes the last POTUS to balance the budget was a Democrat. His name was Andrew Jackson. Essential services will be maintained during a federal government shutdown. The IRS will still be adding 50k new employees to collect taxes from those of us who work for a living. The vacation budget for the occupants of the White House will not be decreased. And the light bulb police will be coming to your house to make sure you don’t have any of those incandescent bulbs. I’ll miss my letter carrier delivering all the exciting mail about the really great bargains to be had at what stores are still in business during The Great Pelosi Depression. Look at the bright side, C-SPAN might have something interesting to watch.

From Where I Sit

September 14th, 2010
9:51 am

Hey lynnie gal,

That is not the problem. The problem is Barry has continued to spend, and he nor Congress has done NOTHING since he has been in office.

Next, we still have too many takers in America. These are people that think that they are entitled to the government taking care of them. Therefore, they continue to take and take, rather than work and pay their share of taxes. These are most of the people who voted for this loser in the first place. America will be better off with Republicans in charge as they along with the Tea Party loves America and they do not blame America and point fingers at the previous administration for their own failures.

Barry is gone in 2012!

Enough Said!

williebkind

September 14th, 2010
9:52 am

Bill Clinton shut the military down. That is how he lowered federal spending. He destroyed military intelligence. Then 911 happened. Is that a coincidence?

ctucker

September 14th, 2010
9:59 am

williebkind, I missed the time when Clinton “Shut the military down.” Can you give me the years and months when that happened? Did al-Qaida know? The North Koreans?

skydog

September 14th, 2010
10:00 am

Yeah Big D, I`m out there.
I design and build your bridges and oil refinerys. You better hope I use very good logic and common sense.
What about your nickname Big D? Some kind of envy going on?

Big D

September 14th, 2010
10:09 am

Off topic, but relevant…This quasi tax break for the middle class and not for the “rich” is another smoke and mirror play by Obama. Most of the “rich” are middle class individuals running small businesses that employ most of the non-governmental work force…SO…want to see small business go further down just go ahead and not extend the Bush tax incentive. This will give us more unemployment AND less tax base to draw from…if you have any idea how that tax thing works…clue: more people work more people pay taxes, you know make a little on a lot, not a lot a few.

Big D

September 14th, 2010
10:12 am

Skydog…I’ll not bore you and others with my accolades,but I will remind you of one thing.
When you make comments on things for which you have no idea what you are talking about, the obvious conclusion of people who REALLY do think you are out there and not very bright.

williebkind

September 14th, 2010
10:21 am

Yes I can CT. In 1992 it began with MI losing 15yr veterans and service Military Occupations were dropped near to zero levels. By 1996 Military intelligence was left only to the Navy and Air Force. Yep Willy did the world a great favor! That is if you were a terrorist.