From the alternative universe, GOP plans for another government shutdown

For several months now, Newt Gingrich has been engaging in a revisionist history of his government shutdown of 1995, claiming that it was not only a good fiscal move but also great partisan politics.
That claim was so obviously nuts that there seemed little point in rebutting it. The government shutdown was disastrous for the Republicans in Congress. The public hated it, and it probably helped Bill Clinton to win re-election in 1996. Enuf said?
Apparently not. Ga. Congressman Lynn Westmoreland has joined the Gingrich bandwagon, calling for a government shutdown if Republicans win the House. (h/t Dave Weigel):

Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) addressed the Faith & Freedom Conference with a hook you’re hearing more and more often. He reminded the crowd that after Republicans won Congress in 1994, they forced a fight over the budget with President Clinton.

“The government shut down,” said Westmoreland — and the crowd started cheering. “That’s what I wanted to hear! A good clap for that!”

According to Westmoreland, if they won a House majority Republicans were going to be “ready to hold the line and get those courageous men and woman” in the new class to stand fast and shut down the government. How would they avoid a repeat of 1995/1996, when the public turned against the shutdown and the GOP buckled?

“We want you with us,” said Westmoreland. “We gotta have you there. Because they’re going to come and say, ‘Daddy can’t go to the VA, the national parks are closed’ … we need to make sure you’re going to be with us.”

For a bit of reality, here are excerpts from a Washington Post news story from Dec. 1995:

As House Plan Flops, GOP Shifts the Blame For Federal Shutdown

For two weeks, House Republicans behaved like belligerent true believers, so determined or desperate to achieve a balanced budget that they were willing to keep the government closed until they got their way.

Day after day, as they took a drubbing in the court of public opinion, their position hard ened. Committee chairmen stormed to the well of the House to quote Winston S. Churchill in full roar, promising “We shall never surrender.”

Only three days ago, Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) issued a public declaration that his troops — utterly frustrated in their dealings with the Clinton administration — would never vote to reopen the government unless a balanced budget deal had been reached.

That seemed to change Friday, when House Republicans suddenly began portraying themselves as friends of the federal work force and boasted of a plan that would return furloughed public employees to their jobs.

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Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:14 pm

Nothing but a bully…try the 6:10…already fixed

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:14 pm

Keep up the good whine

- -presumes a very distorted market economy and the ability to pass on the costs.- -

The ability to pass on costs? You question a businesses ability to pass on costs?

So you not only set on your butt all day blogging, but you have no idea of how a business works.

The perfect liberal.

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 13th, 2010
6:15 pm

You’re just scared that there will not be enough revenue for handouts. You are probably correct. That is not a bad thing. We need to break with the socialist agenda and cut off the govt tit. Commies go home. Capitalists live here.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:21 pm

Keep up the good whine:

From YOUR source:

(An S corporation is simply a corporation that chooses to pass corporate income, losses, deductions and credit through to their shareholders for federal tax purposes.) The Treasury Department estimated that 75 percent of tax payers in the top bracket reported this type of income.

My mistake. According to the IRS, it’s 75% of tax payers in the top brackets reported this type of income.

Then it also said this:

It’s impossible to know how many of these high earners are what most people think of as small business owners.

And this: You would have to report total income of more than $200,000 (or $250,000 for couples) after all your business expenses were deducted.

So you proved WHAT?

Moderate Line

September 13th, 2010
6:21 pm

Shutting the government down appeals to the conservative base who believe the government doesn’t do anything but would be a complete disaster if actually implemented. Plus the Republicans would not get the benefit of doubt even if it was Obama fault because of their anti-government rhetoric and their past action.

This is what happens when you are from an district which leans heavily in one direction. You start believe your views which are eschewed to the left or right are actually normal.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:22 pm

Nothing but a bully… Your misguided presumptions about my life/business aside….again a simple fact….in a competitive market, whether Business A may pass along a cost may very well depend on what Businesses C, D, E and F in the same industry may do. In fact as we are talking about income taxes, Business A may very well have to suck up the tax. Have I simplified it for you….but that presumes your original claim is correct, which is demonstrably dubious.

I’d call you a “perfect crazy con” but that would insult even their intelligence.

James

September 13th, 2010
6:23 pm

Kamchak- 10k certified funds posted for an quiz any time, anywhere my big talking sport

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:24 pm

Every years since 1998, Congress has failed to have a budget ready by the deadline so every single year we have had limited government for a few weeks in order for the Congress to get the budget out the door.

Little things that people like ctucker love to omit.

James

September 13th, 2010
6:24 pm

economic, political, atlanta history, sports- you name it.

tried to lend you money a few months back to by a dozer to get back to work-

James

September 13th, 2010
6:25 pm

Proof positive that a lib loves to do nothing but throw stones and act “blog tought” good luck with that little sport

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:26 pm

Bully…. guess you failed to read the full article. here let me give you a glimpse of what is farther down:

It’s impossible to know how many of these high earners are what most people think of as small business owners. One indication, however, might be if these wealthy taxpayers reported that most of their income was from this business-type income. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center analyzed IRS data in March 2009, looking to see how many wealthy tax filers could say that half of their income or more came from business income. The center found that, among the wealthiest filers — the top 1 percent — only 25 percent earned more than half their income from business-type income. The percentages for non-wage income were even smaller among taxpayers earning less. (Editor’s note: After we initially published this item, the Tax Policy Center released a new analysis looking at business income by tax bracket. They found that in the top bracket, only 32.5 percent earned more than half their income that way.)

Should I post the rest? Hmmm it may be too much to assume you can read and comprehend.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
6:26 pm

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:22 pm

My business and many, many others cannot “pass along” expense increases including taxes.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:27 pm

Keep up the good whine

And the little b1tch resorts to name calling yet again.

I guess when you have nothing of a life except trying to justify THIS government on the day that the highest poverty rate increase in history was announced, you have to take it out on somebody.

We ALL see your life/business. You are here 18 hours a day, being made into a fool.

Being on welfare must give you a lot of time, huh?

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
6:29 pm

You’re just scared that there will not be enough revenue for handouts.

Nope, no fear monger I.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:32 pm

Keep up the good whine

The article doesn’t even address the subject matter. It is about what percentage of the income of people making over $250 grand is made from small business.

I never quoted a percentage, however, the article did INCREASE my estimate from 60 to 75%

The post proved nothing as to whether or not small business owners would or wouldn’t pass the tax along.

Your lame point about competition not allowing passing taxes on to customers is nothing but nonsense. No wonder you spend your life here. Your business acumen sucks.

At the Switch

September 13th, 2010
6:33 pm

Oh my god the city of Atlanta hired a white guy to run the airport. Hell just froze over and CT is pissed

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:34 pm

Tech man…I certainly understand. However if you have income in excess of $250,000 you certainly can afford more than the 99% who dont earn that much.

Nothing but a Bully…. tsk, tsk…. whine whine. You are proven wrong and you rant like a little girl and continue to insult. Like I care at all what you think I earn or do for a living. Now again, trot along and don’t trip over those hooves.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:36 pm

Correction:

I never quoted a percentage, however, the article did INCREASE my estimate from 60 to 75% of the NUMBER of number of PEOPLE WHO draw part of their income from small businesses.

So I am absolutely correct. NOW 75% of the people who will have their taxes increased DO won small businesses and those businesses will pass those taxes on to their customers.

Thanks for trying, wimp.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:37 pm

Why Bully….I guess you are calling Tech Man a liar.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:39 pm

Keep up setting on your fat butt

I was wrong because I underestimated the percentage of people who earn over 250G who own small businesses.

That went from 60 to 75%.

You weren’t wrong because you simply were too dumb to even address the actual subject matter.

You weren’t wrong. You were completely lost, not even knowing what I was discussing.

Now please, little boy. How about some really good whining.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:42 pm

Should have known you would fail to read and comprehend. Let me cut to the end for you:

In conclusion, do many wealthy tax payers report types of business income that might be from owning a small business? Sure. But it’s impossible to tell how many meet the definition of what most of us think of when we think of small business owners. Other data indicate that among all tax payers who might be small business owners, most would not see taxes go up if the Bush tax cuts for the highest earners are allowed to expire. Hayes said that “these so-called wealthy, most of them are small-business owners.” We rate that statement Barely True

I dont have to argue or whine. The point is very clear by politifact. Enjoy your slurpee!

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
6:47 pm

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:34 pm

I am certainly glad you have decided what I can or cannot afford. I am sure you and your ilk will dictate even more to my customers and myself.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:52 pm

Keep collecting welfare

- -Hayes said that “these so-called wealthy, most of them are small-business owners.” We rate that statement Barely True- -

Get it? The statement was true. Most of the so called rich are small business owners, which is exactly the point I was making.

- -I dont have to argue or whine.- -

Then why the hell are you here 18 hours a day, insulting and attacking everyone that disagrees with you and then whine like a little girl when you get it back?

It is the same complaint from every single poster who tries to have a civil adult discussion with you. You are generally just too stupid to even understand most of the discussions, as you have just wasted my time to clearly point out to me.

you wasted my time. I ALREADY KNEW YOU DIDN”T KNOW WHAT I WAS EVEN DISCUSSING, and then you are just stupid enough to post the conclusion that SUPPORTED WHAT I SAID.

Idiot.

jconservative

September 13th, 2010
6:54 pm

“The funny thing is that they finally got a balanced budget…”

True. Three years later. After they had backed down, cowered and got back to business as usual. Then they decided to listen to the guy they ignored in 1995 & 1996, John Kasich. Then with full cooperation from some in the administration, not the President, they got a “balanced budget”.

And Clinton signed it. Three times he signed a balanced budget.

Can you name the last Republican president to sign a balanced budget?

Answer: Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Moral of the story: a lot of Republican presidents signed huge budgets with huge deficits and never had a second thought.

You gonna say its the Democrats fault, right?

You also gonna say the moon is made outta green cheese, right?

What is more predictable than snow in the middle of a snowstorm?

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
6:54 pm

OH NOES! NOT THE ILK CARD!

I’m melting…melting…melting….

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:56 pm

Ahh…the ilk reference. Personally Techman, I dont think $250,000 annual income makes anyone rich. But the simple fact is that 99% of Americans are well below that income level so its difficult to whine, althought I certainly dont feel my income compares to the “truly rich.”

You have already indicated that the tax increase to those making income above $250,000 would not be passed along to your customers. It impacts your income. But then again, the original tax cuts were never well advised. They should never have been passed. Consider it a 10 year benefit you never should have gotten. Those making less than $250,000 (many of whom did not get the same % of benefit as you did) will get a few more years but not permenant tax cuts. Now if we had not spent money on a war that was “off the books” perhaps we would have a managable deficit. If we had proper regulation of Wall Street, perhaps we would not have had a recession that nearly became a depression. But those were not the cards dealt…so time for all of us to tighten our belts. Let’s get smarter government and get spending under control.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
6:57 pm

jconservative

- -Can you name the last Republican president to sign a balanced budget?- -

Can you name the last Republican president that had a Republican Congress, the actual people who draft the budget?

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:01 pm

“barely true” does not mean it stands for the proposition…Really, you dont even know how Politifact works? Bugs Bunny summed you up best I guess…”what a maroon!”

Kam…do I have to drink more for the ilk reference?

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
7:05 pm

Keep up the good fight!

That’s a separate drinking game. Same one shot rule.

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:09 pm

If I keep drinking, Kam, the crazy cons may start to make sense, although I wonder if I truly can drink that much. I tried substituting jelly beans but hate losing teeth to sugar rot.

Alatsea

September 13th, 2010
7:09 pm

There’s an intelligent partnership keep up the good farts hater of everyone with their own opinion and and kamchak digger of trench’s, oh kammy the captain called and it’s your turn in the barrel. Two pea brains in a pod sport. All their missing is that crazy old lady. Thank god she finally got her grand child we were all tired of hearing about it.

Alatsea

September 13th, 2010
7:10 pm

YO HO HO and a bottle of ILK

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:15 pm

Okay…Bully. Let me walk you throught what a “barely true” rating means:

BARELY TRUE – The statement contains some element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression.

So cheer your continued ignorance!

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:18 pm

green cheese and a bottle of ilk?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 13th, 2010
7:25 pm

Maybe they’ll just shut down the parts that contribute nothing beneficial to society, i.e., everything in government other than the military.

Independent

September 13th, 2010
7:26 pm

If the Republicans repeal the part of health-care reform that mandates each individual must purchase insurance, I hope they have the guts to follow that with its logical counterpoint: if an individual chooses not to buy insurance, then becomes injured or ill and goes to the hospital, the hospital should be REQUIRED to have payment in advance or the patient is transported to the curb and LEFT TO DIE!!!! Not only that, but in interest of protecting the rest of us, you also have to rescind the part about no turning people down for pre-existing conditions. The two points go together.

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
7:30 pm

So how many of the top tax bracket people are there that had 49.00% down to lets say 32.5% of there reported income from “small business” are there?

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
7:35 pm

Yes, I liked using ILK. I hate it when CT uses it so I threw it out there. Funny, the people that complain about me using it were not the same that complain about CT using it.

Alatsea

September 13th, 2010
7:39 pm

Fight

Blue cheese and ilk is quite good also

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
7:41 pm

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
6:56 pm

You are correct, it doesn’t make you rich. And no I am not making it this year or last. I hope to make it next year if private sector demand picks up. So, no I didn’t benefit for years like Joy Behar and Woopie have so why am I being penalized?

Tech Man

September 13th, 2010
7:42 pm

Alatsea

September 13th, 2010
7:39 pm

Blue cheese is great on many things!

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
7:50 pm

Tech man….. I can’t tell you. Remember the Republican uses reconciliation to pass the tax cuts and that is why there was a 10 year limit — because it has negative budget impact. So perhaps you need to ask the crazy cons why the rich like Koch Brothers should keep getting tax cuts or why they should be able to keep creating astroturf groups to try to advance their personal objectives.

Hopefully you would benefit from some of the small business bills the Dems have proposed if the Republicans stop blocking them.

rdh

September 13th, 2010
7:51 pm

And lets look at the budgets and fiscal success that Clinton devotees take credit for… REPUBLICAN OPPOSITION made Clinton economically successful. I don’t know what you are complaining about Cynthia. You pat Clinton on the back for his economic success, and then vilify the Congress that put those budgets on his desk? Yeah, if a new Republican Congress forces Obama to the middle and to stop spending money that will enslave our children, that will be a good thing. That is what Congress did to Clinton, and it worked.

Nothing Is Free

September 13th, 2010
7:56 pm

Keep setting on your butt

Still here. Still claiming you are right when you obviously aren’t. Businesses pass taxes on to their customers. Who do you think pays the increased costs?

On second thought, I really don’t care what your ignorant arse thinks. You have wasted enough of my time already.

And you are still here.

Get a life.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

September 13th, 2010
7:57 pm

After the military and the CDC, you could eliminate 90% of the budget and nobody would know the difference. They would find other, better ways to handle their health care, etc., etc., etc. Government only destroys things.

Kamchak

September 13th, 2010
7:58 pm

I hear that TuEsDaY vAnDy GiRl enjoys swabbing decks.

casual observer

September 13th, 2010
8:18 pm

Can we get a Socialist AJC shutdown?

Keep up the good fight!

September 13th, 2010
8:22 pm

Nothing but Bully….really a “second thought”. The presumption that you had a “first thought” is beyond comprehension to intelligent life.

As pointed out by an intelligent Palin (not of the Sarah grizzly ilk – of the Monty Python Palins)..”an argument is an intellectual process, while contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.” When you are ready for the intellectual process, please feel free to drop in!

mystified

September 13th, 2010
8:26 pm

I don’t believe Newt has any intention of closing down the government; But that statement has got him an awful lot of media attention. Now he can compromise and settle for only repealing everything this congress passed.

Ronin

September 13th, 2010
8:35 pm

Hmm… Maybe the federal government will shut down and stay closed. They can’t spend any of our money if they aren’t there to fight over spending it.