‘Free market’ rules don’t work for health care

For those Americans who have a religious faith in the free market, health care is a frustrating test of that faith. It doesn’t comform to supposed free market dictates. Competition doesn’t decrease costs.

For the better part of two decades, health care costs have been rising at more than the rate of inflation — straining the federal budget, eroding workers’ wage increases and even forcing some small businesses to drop health care coverage for their employees.

This year, businesses plan to pass more of the cost increase on to their employees, according to The Wall Street Journal:

Employers passed health-insurance costs onto employees at a sharply higher rate this year, and businesses’ premiums grew more slowly than they have in a decade, according to an annual survey of companies.

The increased cost-shifting reflected an acceleration of a trend that has been on the rise for years. (Emphasis added.) As companies struggle to cut costs amid difficult economic times, more of them are reducing benefits they offer workers or making workers pay more for them. Still, companies are paying nearly three-quarters of workers’ health-care premiums.

Employees paid an average of about $4,000 toward their family coverage this year, up 14% from last year, according to a report by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research and Educational Trust. But total insurance premiums paid by the employer and the employee rose just 3% for a family plan—the slowest rate of growth in 10 years, according to the data.

The chart below shows how rising health care costs have affected business costs and employee salaries.
Average Heath Insurance Premiums for Family Coverage 2005-20102

Meanwhile, some health insurance companies, continuing their practice of hiking premiums, are blaming the new health care reform law, according to the WSJ:

Health insurers say they plan to raise premiums for some Americans as a direct result of the health overhaul in coming weeks, complicating Democrats’ efforts to trumpet their signature achievement before the midterm elections.
Aetna Inc., some BlueCross BlueShield plans and other smaller carriers have asked for premium increases of between 1% and 9% to pay for extra benefits required under the law, according to filings with state regulators.

These and other insurers say Congress’s landmark refashioning of U.S. health coverage, which passed in March after a brutal fight, is causing them to pass on more costs to consumers than Democrats predicted.

The rate increases largely apply to policies for individuals and small businesses and don’t include people covered by a big employer or Medicare.

About 9% of Americans buy coverage through the individual market, according to the Census Bureau, and roughly one-fifth of people who get coverage through their employer work at companies with 50 or fewer employees, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. People in both groups are likely to feel the effects of the proposed increases, even as they see new benefits under the law, such as the elimination of lifetime and certain annual coverage caps. . .
Aetna, one of the nation’s largest health insurers, said the extra benefits forced it to seek rate increases for new individual plans of 5.4% to 7.4% in California and 5.5% to 6.8% in Nevada after Sept. 23. Similar steps are planned across the country, according to Aetna.

Regence BlueCross BlueShield of Oregon said the cost of providing additional benefits under the health law will account on average for 3.4 percentage points of a 17.1% premium rise for a small-employer health plan. It asked regulators last month to approve the increase.

In Wisconsin and North Carolina, Celtic Insurance Co. says half of the 18% increase it is seeking comes from complying with health-law mandates.

The White House says insurers are using the law as an excuse to raise rates and predicts that state regulators will block some of the large increases.

“I would have real deep concerns that the kinds of rate increases that you’re quoting… are justified,” said Nancy-Ann DeParle, the White House’s top health official. She said that for insurers, raising rates was “already their modus operandi before the bill” passed. “We believe consumers will see through this,” she said.

Previously the administration had calculated that the batch of changes taking effect this fall would raise premiums no more than 1% to 2%, on average.

(Note that insurers are raising their premiums more than the amount they suggest is necessary because of the health care law.)

The greatest failure of the new health care reform law is that it fails to restrain costs, as advertised. Despite what opponents say, the law raises costs only marginally. From The Wapo:

The average annual growth in health care spending will be just two-tenths of 1 percentage point higher through 2019 with Obama’s remake, said the analysis. And that’s with more than 32 million uninsured gaining coverage because of the new law.

“The impact is moderate,” said economist Andrea Sisko of Medicare’s Office of the Actuary, the nonpartisan unit that prepared the report.

Factoring in the law, Americans will spend an average of $13,652 per person a year on health care in 2019, according to the actuary’s office. Without the law, the corresponding number would be $13,387.

A more ambitious reform would have waded into health care practices to force new incentives into the system. But that proved politically impossible. Republicans even objected to a plan to study the best procedures to see what actually works.

359 comments Add your comment

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
8:27 am

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
8:28 am

Well, I think the answer is obvious.

Tax cuts.

Tax cuts will cure the gout, eczema, seborrhea, even the heartbreak of psoriasis. It is even an effective treatment for gingivitis, influenza, the common cold, allergies, and incontinence.

Think of all the money we will save in health care costs, if we would only cut taxes.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
8:29 am

Cynthia,

What was the profit margin for health insurance companies last year?…..Around 3.3%. That is not very much. They have a right to try and make a profit. This isn’t Atlas Shrugged yet.

Beverages/Brewers had a 25.9% profit margin. Do you want the government to regulate them so we can pay less for Pepsi and beer?

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
8:31 am

Cynthia,

Another thing….the Republicans did not stop the health care law. The Democrats controlled the House, the Senate,and the Presidency. They could pass whatever they wanted. Blame your own party for what you got.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
8:32 am

“Why can’t you find one single Democrat member of congress who is running for reelection by bragging on his vote for ObamaCare?” Boortz

Metro Coach

September 9th, 2010
8:35 am

Cynthia, according to you and other Progressives the free market doesn’t work at all. Your posts get ever snarkier as Election Day draws nearer, wonder why?

PearlJam

September 9th, 2010
8:36 am

“Republicans did not stop the health care law. The Democrats controlled the House, the Senate,and the Presidency”

Needs repeating – Flat out lie to say Repulicans did anything. They asked for 1 thing, scrap the whole bill and start over, Dems would not do it. They passed the bill as they wanted it.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

September 9th, 2010
8:37 am

When illegal immigrunts and others consistently visit the ER then make no payments the hospitals pickup the tab. The hospitals then pass along the budget shortfalls and non-payments to paying customers ie Health Insurers and private PAYING citizens.

Contributing factor?

PS…Get ready for your HCare insurance costs to increase much more so than previously and dont forget to thank your local democrat for same.

Port O'John

September 9th, 2010
8:39 am

Thew free market works for health care — as long as you believe that 30 or 40 million americans without access to affordable health care is OK (or if you choose to ignore that use of emergency rooms by the un-insured is simply added to the costs that those that have insurance pay). Don’t forget the axiom about free markets from the 1800’s:

“Every man for himself and the devil take the hindmost.”

That’s the GOP/libertarian dream.

Georgia’s much vaunted tort reform has done nothing to control medical malpractice insurance rates. Lawsuits are down, but premiums keep rising anyway as health insurers enjoy record profits.

What’s good for corporations is good for America, its just not so good for ordinary americans.

PearlJam

September 9th, 2010
8:40 am

Also, I still don’t see anything that says “Free Market” is failing healthcare. Looks like all the issues with cost are impacted by Govt regulations. I don’t see issues with supply and demand of free market.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
8:40 am

CT, the “free market” approach only works if we consider life a commodity. I don’t want to open Pandora’s here, but between Roe v.Wade, the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive war, capital punishment, and whatnot, those keeping score know the score. don’t mean to get all “professor Jennings” (Animal House pot scene), but who “owns” life? and by “own” I mean, who benefits from life? right now the City of Atlanta, the Federal government, the State of GA, my mortgage holder and a few other creditors “own” me. I don’t exist to smell the roses or “take risks”. I exist to consume goods and services; to “stimulate” the economy. healthcare is no different. those who are selling only benefit when consumers “buy”. this is why I question the true “benefactors” of Obama’s healthcare reform (does is guarantee healthcare for all, or does it guarantee healthcare providers, drug companies and insurance compies “get paid”?). let’s face it, there is no “free market” – not on Wall Street, not in healthcare, and not in our legal system. these “markets” are controlled by those who beg, borrow or steal power. hey, did you see Castro is having a “Scrooge; we were wrong” deathbed moment? interesting.

teamguy

September 9th, 2010
8:42 am

Are we talking about health care, or health care insurance? Not the same thing at all. Way too many people run to the doctor with the sniffles, when a good stiff shot of Jack Daniels would do the trick! Unless, of course, you live in Snellville.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
8:42 am

Port O’John,

I would like to help all Americans. I would love to see good affordable health care. Two issues with this bill.

1. The government shouldn’t be able to force me to buy health care insurance.
2. We don’t have the money. We are broke.
3. The bill is a stupid mess that no one even read and surely don’t understand.

The Dems passed it, let them reap the rewards.

PearlJam

September 9th, 2010
8:42 am

paleo-neo-Carlinist – Yes I saw where Castro stated the Cuban economy “does not work”.

Josh

September 9th, 2010
8:43 am

“ObamaCare does not work for healthcare” and the Democrats know it and are running scared and are not even mentioning it in their campaign to get reelected. Democrats are separating themselves from Obama in hoping to have a chance of getting reelected. But, we know dems are done in 2010 and Obama is gone in 2012.

Belinda

September 9th, 2010
8:44 am

Good article, Cynthia. The insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, medical supply and equipment companies, and doctors themselves are making a lot of money. Too much money. The average American cannot continue to support these entities at the level that we have been . The whole system is going to collapse just like the housing market.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
8:45 am

Belinda,

3.3% profit margin for health insurers is too much? What about the 25.9% for Beverage makers? Do you want the feds to take them down a notch?

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

September 9th, 2010
8:46 am

Perhaps after The Ayetollah Obama is tossed from office he could go live in Cuba and assist them using his wonderful ideas. The “World” seems to love Obama so let them have him.

Bob

September 9th, 2010
8:46 am

Cynthia is right, free market sucks. Imagine how great this country would be if we gave Obama and his buddies like Bill Ayers the opportunity to run the country the way they see fit. Who needs that restrictive constitution that tell gov what it can’t do. By the way, the muslims are threatening us now if the mosque gets moved, so much for the religion of peace “.The imam behind a proposed Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero cautioned Wednesday that moving the facility could cause a violent backlash from Muslim extremists and endanger national security”. But lets not let bubbu burn the Koran, it might make them mad.

Jimmy62

September 9th, 2010
8:46 am

Nice theory, but what we had is nothing close to a free market, and what we will have is also nothing close to a free market. The tax benefits that corporations get for providing health care is one of the many ways in which the government has avoided allowing the free market to improve things. Why should health care purchased through an employer be taxed differently than health care purchased individually?

Please explain how that’s in any way a free market, I would love to see the magical fantasy logic you use to pull that off.

pat

September 9th, 2010
8:47 am

Duh….Cost is the only problem. If you can afford health care you don’t need insurance.
Everybody but you liberals knew this idiotic health care “reform” was going to drive up costs. They were so focused on 31 million that they screwed the other 250 million in the process.
It would have cost less to buy 31 million people good insurance, than this idiotic reform.
Is there anything a democrat cannot screw up? Everything this administration has done has failed. Their only answer? Throw more money at it.

Keynesian economics has never worked in practice. Like communism, it sounded good on paper, but it’s real world application is an unmittigated disaster.

The republicans may have screwed up a lot in the previous 8 years, but in the last 2 years, they have been right about everything.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

September 9th, 2010
8:47 am

“are making a lot of money. Too much money.”

LOL…its called Excess Profit…LOL. See Hillary “The HildaBeast” Clinton.

PearlJam

September 9th, 2010
8:48 am

It should be:
Insurance companies only offer coverage for major health issues.
Everything else paid cash on the spot.

Seems like anytime you take purshasing power from consumer, prices get all wacked out, education is the same issue, stop student loans and the cost will go down.

Tychus Findlay

September 9th, 2010
8:49 am

CT, you fail to recognize the fact that the average American goes to the doctor or requires a pill for every sneeze, sniffle, or twinge of pain that they experience. Couple that with the litigation-happy society in which we live (read higher insurance for doctors) and there’s your sharp upturn in health care costs.

Jimmy62

September 9th, 2010
8:49 am

Belinda: If you think those people charge too much, don’t use their services. It’s very simple. No one is forcing you to get health care and if you don’t like what they charge, don’t use their services. Pay your own way through medical school and take care of yourself. And then see how much you want to charge people to pay for all the debt you collected in school, and the years of sacrificing your social life to study.

The other option is to force doctors to charge less… Also known as slavery.

Bob

September 9th, 2010
8:49 am

I know, lets tax medical device makers on revenue instead of profit, screw them, they can go out of business or move out of the country. We don’t need the jobs because Obo is asking for another stimulus bill. In fact, lets tell doctors that we will cap them at 100grand a year, we will show those greedy bums who is in charge.

John Trotter

September 9th, 2010
8:50 am

Pleez pass duh cawn nerblits am toofpik pieces.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
8:51 am

Belinda, do you actually think Big Med, Big Pharm, and Big Insurance are not going to make “a lot of money” under the new model(healthcare lobbyists practically wrote the legislation)? you know how I don’t “support these entities” – I don’t have health insurance (sonce 2008) and I have not been to the doctor since 2006. you know how I don’t support Lady Gaga or the Black Eyed Peas? I don’t buy their records or attend their concerts. I’m not even saying I am opposed to some sort of national healthcare program, but the much talked about Obamacare program is not even close. as with the war in Iraq, it is a federally mandated jobs program for special interests. I suspect it will be just as costly and just as “successful”

WAR

September 9th, 2010
8:57 am

can someone please explain what is wrong with government assisted healthcare? seriously. i’ve looked at both sides of the issue–those for the required insurance and those against–and i’ve yet to really see a problem with either… so, i don’ t understand the hullabaloo why government run insurance is bad.

please advise.

Jon

September 9th, 2010
9:00 am

Cynthia – you actually think we have a FREE MARKET health care system??? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

51% of health care spending is via govt. Not to mention all the regulations imposed on product offerings and provisions for competition in every area of the country by state and federal laws.

Seriously. Read an economics book. If you think our system is free market, you have absolutely zero understanding of the concept.

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
9:01 am

can someone please explain what is wrong with government assisted healthcare?

Because it is Marxist, fascist, communistic, dictatorial SOCIALISM!

And we must be VERY AFRAID!

mystified

September 9th, 2010
9:02 am

I don’t disagree. The problem is, I don’t trust large corporations to do the right thing; and the government doesn’t have the ability to do anything on that scale well. I wonder if we got rid of insurance all together and went to a pure cash for services system if we would make out better in the long run.

Josh

September 9th, 2010
9:02 am

The AP just released a new article moments ago that states Obamacare increases cost of having healthcare among americans vs private healthcare. By the way, does anyone realize that every american who works will be taxed on $7000 a year to support obamacare and that every business will have to pay $7000 per employee to support Obamacare. This means small businesses are gone. This means jobs are gone. This means more people not being free and being a slave to government. Thought you should know this.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
9:05 am

Mystified,

Good question.

Kamchak,

Irony aside, I do worry when the government wants to force me to buy health insurance.

Josh

September 9th, 2010
9:05 am

and the $7000 per employee businesses have to pay is a yearly thing. ITS NOT A ONE TIME THING.

Wahoo

September 9th, 2010
9:06 am

“The greatest failure of the new health care reform law is that it fails to restrain costs, as advertised.”

It’s pretty sad when you have ardent Obama supporters such as Cynthia acknowledging the new law won’t accomplish one of its primary purposes.

The title of this post is laughable as well. Cynthia claims the “free market” doesn’t work in health care, but the entire second half of her post is about how the market is reacting to the government’s new health care reform. The high level of government involvement both before and after the passage of Obamacare suggests that health insurance is anything other than a “free market”. Quite the opposite, it makes me wonder if Cynthia even has the slightest idea what the free market looks like.

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:08 am

Kamchak@9:01, Do you have that same problem with Medicare? It’s the closest thing to socialized medicine that we have in this country.

mystified

September 9th, 2010
9:09 am

WAr, The problem with government getting involved with health care is you have an entity that does not have to show a profit and can run at a loss competing with for profit companies. It creates unfair competition that would most likely lead to running private insurance companies out of business. Even though private insurance has problems, most “who are insured” are happy with their service. The government has no track record for efficiency. I doubt the quality of care from a government health care would match what is available now.

Somehow we should be able to insure those who need it without threatening private insurance.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
9:09 am

ctucker,

Kamchak was being sarcastic.

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:10 am

pat@8:47, Did you read the post? The new law will drive up health care costs less than one percentage point.

barking frog

September 9th, 2010
9:10 am

Private insurance companies are supposed to maximize profits by
raising premiums and denying claims. That’s why we needed healthcare
reform.

WAR

September 9th, 2010
9:10 am

@ kam
thanks… that cleared it right up! you forgot RACIST… that word definitely has to be included. i don’t know why other than it ends with an -IST.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
9:12 am

ctucker,

You are asking Pat does she understand. Do you understand what a 3.3% profit margin is?

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:12 am

yes, barking frog@9:10, you’re right.

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:12 am

Thanks, Bubba Bob@9:09. I must have misplaced my sense of humor.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
9:13 am

Barking,

So the government will never deny claims to save money the won’t have? Keep dreaming.

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:13 am

Kamchak@9:01, Sorry I misinterpreted you.

Mike K

September 9th, 2010
9:13 am

“The average annual growth in health care spending will be just two-tenths of 1 percentage point higher through 2019 with Obama’s remake, said the analysis. And that’s with more than 32 million uninsured gaining coverage because of the new law.”

That’s government spending – not total spending.

Also, health care delivery in America looks nothing like a free market. Certain methods of insurance purchase, but not others, are subsidized by the government. Approximately half of all medical spending is paid for by the government’s mandatory insurance program (Medicare), and private insurance programs are heavily regulated by the individual states (and now the federal government) in terms of what they have to cover, when they are allowed to drop adult children, and how much they can charge high risk vs. low risk individuals.

Health care has not been a free market here for a long, long time. It’s remarkably dishonest to suggest otherwise.

Oh, and Medicare isn’t socialized medicine. It’s socialized insurance, which may actually be worse.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
9:13 am

ctucker,

No worries. I didn’t know you had a sense of humor. (that’s my mean, evil-spirited, conservative attack for the day) :)

Jon

September 9th, 2010
9:13 am

Mystified – you just hit it. That’s how our system used to be before the mid 1940s. And costs didn’t rise like you’re seeing now. People paid for their services – even major surgeries didn’t cost more than a few months salary (hardly bankruptcy) – and used insurance for CATASTROPHIC instances that protected them from financial calamity …. you know…how insurance is supposed to work?

It wasn’t until govt got involved and they set up the tax system so that employers provided health coverage that we grew these generations of people that believe that someone else should be responsible for our health care – hiding the costs and consequences of our HC choices.

Now Obama has simply expanded this mentality and the screwed up system that results from it.

Joel

September 9th, 2010
9:14 am

CT, you dont think medicare drives up the cost of health care and health insurance? As someone stated earlier, the paying parties have the costs transferred to them.

Josh

September 9th, 2010
9:14 am

@ctucker

are you conviently forgetting the cost that are being forced upon businesses that will cause jobs to be lost and small businesses to shut down? $7000 per employee anually to the federal government. How is that right? That is robbery and socialist and marxist. How are the people free under this bs?

WAR

September 9th, 2010
9:16 am

@mystified

okay… i kinda understand. but the gov’t runs other things at a loss and we use them like the postal service, military/defense, department of ed.,

i’m just thinking about people who don’t have insurance and could care less who provides it as long as they get good quality care.

thanks.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
9:17 am

ctucker?

The greatest failure of the health bill is that is was never meant to become law in it’s current form. It was written to be bounced between the Senate and the House, but the partially completed bill was in the Senate when Kennedy’s seat fell and it couldn’t go back to the House because it could then be filibustered. Because of this there are so many mistakes and problems with the very structure of the bill that there was no clause written to protect the bill if any part was declared unconstitutional. So if any of these lawsuits prove to be the least bit effective, the entire bill crashes and burns.

“Competition doesn’t decrease costs.”

Huh? Of course competition decreases costs. But more than that, price transparency decreases costs. No one knows what their doctor charges and the charges are usually set by the rent amount on the office space other than the competence and level of care by the physician. That’s changing.

you may have noticed that several Health Insurance Companies are now advertising that they are offering data bases for their clients to search to find the best doctor for the best price. This transparency will lead to more competition and much better care for everyone.

So once again, the solution is not the government. It is the private sector correcting and improving it’s product.

So when does the government EVER correct and improve it’s product?

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:17 am

PearlJam@8:48, let’s use your suggestion in just one area of health care: Well baby visits. Suddenly, parents would be forced to pay out-of-pocket for immunizations, which can soar into several hundred dollars. And babies need lots of those shots. (I know because I have a toddler.) So parents who are short of cash don’t get the shots for their babies. Two things happen: Infant mortality soars, and the United States suddenly has a reprise of epidemics we had been rid of — such as whopping cough and diptheria. You think that’s a good idea?

WAR

September 9th, 2010
9:19 am

something needs to happen because insurance, taxes, and retirement takes up the bulk of my paycheck! i haven’t seen a tax cut or tax break since i’ve been in education.

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:19 am

Nothing is Free @9:17, Please point to an area where competition has decreased cost in health care. Show me one region, one procedure, one anything.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

September 9th, 2010
9:20 am

CT – And how is the little one these days?

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:20 am

Josh@9:14, Where are you getting that $7,000 figure from? Show me the data

Josh

September 9th, 2010
9:20 am

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:17 am
PearlJam@8:48, let’s use your suggestion in just one area of health care: Well baby visits. Suddenly, parents would be forced to pay out-of-pocket for immunizations, which can soar into several hundred dollars. And babies need lots of those shots. (I know because I have a toddler.) So parents who are short of cash don’t get the shots for their babies. Two things happen: Infant mortality soars, and the United States suddenly has a reprise of epidemics we had been rid of — such as whopping cough and diptheria. You think that’s a good idea?

Show us where the infant mortatily rate has been out of control because babies could not get there shots. Remember Georgia has peachcare for children whose parents cannot afford health insurance for their children which pays for their shots. Nice try Cynthia but you lose again.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
9:21 am

ctucker,

The question is….how do we fund all of this? We are broke, broke, broke. We can’t pay for what we are doing no. Adding more taxes isn’t going to help since we are already in so much debt.

Congrats! I didn’t know you had a toddler. Kids are great, huh?

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

September 9th, 2010
9:21 am

Belinda, don’t speak of things you know nothing about. I own and operate several medical equipment and supply companies. Thanks to continued cuts in Medicare reimbursements, I have cut my staff by 40% (approx) over the last 3 years. I am doing 2.5 times the volume, yet my profit margins are down. Gov’t control over pricing only controls how much control they have over an industry. My industry accounts for less that 4% of the Medicare budget, yet has absorbed 90% of the Medicare cuts since 1985. We now receive around 35% of the amount to provide home oxygen (along with 24 hr service) than we received in 1985. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I pretty sure that is not “making a lot of money”. You must be one of those that thinks if I make any profit at all I’m making too much. Welcome to the real world, please buckle up.

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:22 am

Mike K@9:13, You’re wrong. That’s TOTAL SPENDING, not govt spending.

dbm

September 9th, 2010
9:23 am

We haven’t had a free market in health care for a long time.

WAR

September 9th, 2010
9:24 am

@ bubba
we didn’t think about being broke before the bush tax cuts and two wars.

CT–enjoy the toddler while you can. kids grow up fast… my little one is six going on sixteen :)

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
9:25 am

Kam Fong,

Don’t use math and facts. It confuses people.

Bubba Bob

September 9th, 2010
9:26 am

WAR,

I talked about it everyday. I was ok with Afghan because of Osama. Totally against Iraq. Totally against all the wasteful spending.

I’ve been saying the same thing since Reagan.

Josh

September 9th, 2010
9:27 am

@ctucker

Its called the play or pay mandate in the laws of Obamacare. Businesses have to offer health insurance for all its employees or pay $7000 to $7600 per employee to the federal government for Obamacare. On top of that,the employee has to report this $7000 as income and will be taxed on that to the federal government. I know this because I am a manager for a very successful restaurant chain and corporate is preparing for this because it goes into effect in 2011 and it will put small businesses out of business and will cut jobs and slow hiring because businesses cannot afford to do this. Do your research Cynthia.

James

September 9th, 2010
9:27 am

As a nation we are “over prescribed”- cut out viagra and monitor such things a pain meds and anti- fill in the blank and you will reduce costs by 5-10%. Further, healthcare “reform” can only be done in conjuction with comprehensive immigration reform- see illegal drug dealer and 400k healthcare bill paid by us taxpayers- bet a diet coke he ain’t an isolated incident.

Too bad Obama went so far to the left- sad.

casual observer

September 9th, 2010
9:28 am

As always for Cynthia Tucker. The answer is help me government. To everyone out there without healthcare. The government is going to take care of you. Don’t worry. I know OBAMA will take money from “The Man” and give it to you. Have no fear.

Josh

September 9th, 2010
9:28 am

Mike K@9:13, You’re wrong. That’s TOTAL SPENDING, not govt spending.

Nope Mike is right and Cynthia is wrong. This does not include costs put on businesses and taxpayers.

Remmington

September 9th, 2010
9:31 am

I love the shotgun scattering of quotes and references you used in your Democrat essay on health care “reform”. The best one is from the administration predicting the expected rate increases this fall from the changes to the health care scheme at about 1% – 2%. These are the same people running the country who predicted unemployment to reach only 8%. Insurance companies are reacting in knee-jerk fashion to the implementation of the socialized medicine rammed down out throats. In order to cover the hapless lot of uninsured minority voters, the insurance companies are now forced into hedging their bottom lines with further rate increases. In a capitalist society there is no other way to staying in business and earning a profit when a government steps into your sphere of business and gives away your bottom line to those that don’t contribute to the system. The Party of No said, “hell no”, to this regulatory theft by the government of Democrats. The Party of No said we can fix things if you will allow reform of the tort system and allow cross-state competition of insurance rates. The Party of Vote Mining would not hear of it. Has anyone even brought up the fact that hospitals in general need to be investigated for their part in screwing the public? They are the ones who charge insurance companies $10 for a band-aid, $1,000 for an emergency room visit, or $10,000 for a birth delivery, Yeah, I know. Those who don’t have insurance will still be treated, bur look out if they know you do have insurance. Let’s start with all of these hospitals that charge an arm and a leg to heal us. Insurance companies have to make a profit too, but not as obnoxiously as hospitals do. This is a capitalist society we live in, or it used to be, and this is not socialist Europe yet, or is it?

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ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:33 am

Remmington@9:31, Please explain how health insurance purchased from private companies by private individuals and private businesses is “socialized.” I don’t think you know what the word “socialized” means. (Hint: Medicare is the closest thing we have in this country to “socialized” medicine.)

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
9:37 am

ctucker

I can’t point to anything yet, but I know for a fact that this is happening. If you are honestly interested in learning how the private sector is improving health care, I can put you in touch with a private company that is offering this kind of price transparency and competition to large companies to be used by their clients. I know for a fact that you already know at least one of the people involved in this company. They are my client and their product is beginning to be observed by some of the largest companies in the country.

Their model works and they are fighting like crazy to get their product out because there are other companies trying desperately to be the first to come on line.

In the meanwhile, insurers are also seeing the advantages to price transparency. How many current National TV Spots are promoting some sort of research base for their clients, so they can make better and more informed decisions when selecting a doctor?

Whether or not the Heath Bill stands is in question. If just one sentence is declared unconstitutional, it all crashes and burns. So even the proponents are seeing that this horribly written bill that is designed to give the health insurance companies their largest margins in history, will probably go the way of the dodo.

But this bill has motivated the private sector to come up with real viable solutions that will not cost our country close to a trillion dollars just to make Health Insurance Companies richer than Midas.

Would you be in favor of a private solution that would really work instead of a government program that has no hope of ever being really effective?

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
9:39 am

WAR, “government assisted healthcare” is like “government assisted… war”. what is the real end game? who benefits most? who are the true players? do you think George Bush invaded and occupied Iraq to “protect” America? how is Obama’s “war to ensure all Americans have affordable healthcare different”? as I said, if healthcare is part of the function or role of government, so be it; but I just don’t see it in this plan. it’s just another government/special interest hybrid beast that is couched as “for the people”

Jimmy62

September 9th, 2010
9:40 am

Ctucker- Not an expert, but I’m pretty sure that Lasik costs have come down a lot. Or they did come down a lot till insurance began to cover it, leading Lasik doctors to raise prices because now the government and medicare are involved, leading to more money for everyone except those that need the care.

Obamacare
Before it was passed, we were told it would lower costs
Now we’re told it will raise costs, but by less than 1 percentage point
Based on seeing the government underestimate the costs of pretty much every program its ever been involved in (except, amazingly, Bush’s medicare part d, which has stuck close to projections), the reality will be much higher than one percentage point. You’re either naive, less than intelligent, or deliberately misleading if you really think it will only rise less than one percentage point. Weren’t we told Obama’s financial destruction packages would keep unemployment below 8%? Why do you believe any estimates coming from this administration? Can you name one time they were right? They were wrong about all the financial stuff, they were wrong about Cash for Clunkers. What have they been right about?

Of course we all know the real problem is that they didn’t flush enough money down the toilet. The only way to save the future is to waste much, much more money!

WAR

September 9th, 2010
9:41 am

@ bubba
i agree with you bout afghan and iraq. but we need healthcare for each American and we cant get it with all of this partisan, political stuff going on.

Tech man

September 9th, 2010
9:43 am

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:19 am

The answers are too numerous.

How about prescription drugs replacing surgeries for one.

James

September 9th, 2010
9:43 am

Jimmy62- don’t let the facts confuse you. Obama, Rahm and the gang will just need to run over to the CBOE and have them adjust the excel formulas- much like Bush et al did with the war. Us little working class folks just need to shut and go along for the ride.

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 9th, 2010
9:46 am

Well, I was going to comment on the ills of socialism; however, that has been done for me by the majority of bloggers already. Maybe we should let the states manage all social programs, because the federal gov’t can’t seem to make a change for the better.

Tommy Maddox

September 9th, 2010
9:47 am

Belinda, what do you think it is worth for someone remove the top of your child’s skull, move his brain over a little, then probe i to find and remove a malignant tumor?

It is worth what it costs? Anybody?

Tommy Maddox

September 9th, 2010
9:47 am

I can type…

Bob

September 9th, 2010
9:48 am

The Americas
Fidel Castro: Cuba’s Communism Not Working !
Even Fidel is siding with me on this one. But hey, Obo knows how to do it better right ?

WAR

September 9th, 2010
9:48 am

@ paleo

good points. problem is that we have to start somewhere with healthcare and this was the chance to do it. it almost completely bombed for too many reasons for me to mention here. it will be tweaked over the next few years of course has everything else in America except for Medicare and Medicaid. i just hope healthcare doesn’t become the fourth rail.

Pete

September 9th, 2010
9:48 am

Cynthia — How does your commentary relate to free market health care? I don’t think you connected the dots in your piece.

Rightwing Troll

September 9th, 2010
9:49 am

Tax cuts won’t cure stupid.

Ironic that the only remedy the hate baggers and conservitards can suggest won’t cure the ailment they have…

dbm

September 9th, 2010
9:49 am

ctucker

September 9th, 2010
9:33 am

Since health insurance purchased from private companies by private individuals and private businesses is legally defined as private, but the government intervenes heavily, I guess we could say that it is “fascized” rather than “socialized”. Either way, it’s definitely not free market.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

September 9th, 2010
9:50 am

Oh, you are SO blind. Check out this one…..Do you realize that 1 in 20 Americans have now been officially qualified as “disabled” by the Social Security Administration, meaning they can no longer work a full time job, and thus qualify for Federal disability benefits? If you’re at all skeptical that such a large number of Americans are truly eligible, you are right to question.

mmm, mmm, mmm – it’s only going to get worse with Obamamcare :(

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 9th, 2010
9:52 am

@ Rightwing troll, you are rude and an ignorant person. Name calling, really? Grow up and stop acting like a child. This is a blog not a place for you to show your IQ.

Van Jones

September 9th, 2010
9:53 am

ctucker @9:17, you are saying that these parents won’t make the necessary sacrifices for their children’s wellbeing? And that if the govt is not involved then woe be unto the child?
I’m not seeing it. There are some slacker parents who do dumb things where their kids are concerned and they will continue to do those things. As for most people, if they are “short of cash” they will find a way to still provide for basic care for their children… like not sending 1500 texts this month, etc.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
9:54 am

ctucker

if you are actually interested in a real solution. (Something tells me that you are not) you have my email address.

This does not threaten the health bill but will work whether the bill passes or not, but if the bill fails, as most Americans are praying that it will, this WILL improve the quality of care and will start to weed out the horrible doctors that charge an arm and a leg because they have a fancy office in Dunwoody and the great doctors will be rated as such, giving everyone better care and saving money for everyone and greatly improving the best health care system in the world.

But unlike many on here, I have a lot of work to do today so I can’t set here and argue.

Have a good day.

JohnnyReb

September 9th, 2010
9:54 am

Ms Tucker, you are beating a dead horse. Obamacare will be defunded by the new Congress and then repealed/revised when the new POTUS goes into office 2013. Poll after poll shows the majority of Americans are against it and all the propoganda by the White House and its supporters such as yourself will not save it. It will be at least one Democrtic socialist policy that bites the dust.

Dr ooze

September 9th, 2010
9:55 am

At the time healthcare reform was being sold to us, it was gonna bring down costs. Now we are being told the cost increase will be minimal.LOL
Snake oil, anyone ?

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
9:55 am

James is right. we the People have no dog in this fight. policies are formulated and laws passed with NO concern for those who ultimately pick up the tab. The war in Iraq did not “protect” Americans or “defend” us against an attack. Overthrowing Saddam did not “uphold and defend the Consitution” or make us more secure. and yet, it was pitched, presented and prosecuted as just that. that’s not to say Saddam was not a problem, but a 7 year, trillion dollar war was not the solution. Ergo, I am not suggesting the current healthcare model is the last, best model, but Obamacare is not the solution. at the end of the day folks, there is a way to deal with lobbysists and the influence of special interest groups, it’s called “representation”. everyone keeps talking about “taking America back” – from whom? unions? the military-industrial complex? big pharm? big ag? whom do these soul-less beasts own? our representatives! as I said, we the People don’t have a dog in this fight

Joel

September 9th, 2010
9:55 am

Why does every American have to have health care?

Joel

September 9th, 2010
9:56 am

What about the people who abuse their bodies, do they too deserve health care?

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
9:56 am

Kamchak,

Irony aside, I do worry when the government wants to force me to buy health insurance.

Me too, which is why I did not support this version of HC reform.

I would rather have socialized medicine than the evil insurance companies. What started out as a good idea, became layers of corporate greed.

WAR

September 9th, 2010
9:57 am

@ wow pulitzer

i don’t want the government running everything, trust me. i like my bible and my gun just fine. but i don’t want the states to have too much power either. i am afraid of the state’s power that will be used without outside oversight. social issues will rule the agenda and become huge problems i believe: immigration, voting rights, healthcare, gun rights, civil rights, abortion…. the list will

RG

September 9th, 2010
9:57 am

Economics 101: Health Care Spending is a “luxury good” as people get wealthier, they spend more of their money on health care. Just like as people get wealthier they spend more on fresh fish and plasma TVs. Has nothing to do with COSTS. Show me an individual medical procedure that is more expensive today than it was 20 years ago? You can’t. You might say that the procedures are more scientifically and medically advanced and so you can’t compare 2010 procedures to 1990 procedures, but then I can say that’s why they are more expensive (MRIs are a classic example).

You might complain that the state of the art of medical practice has evolved past the point of usefulness – so we should be using 1990 technologies instead of 2010 technologies in places where the increase in benefits is less than the increase in costs. But then you’re complaining about people making choices that seem incongrous with their financial situation. Of course, people buy pink flamingoes and put them on their lawns … in our society, even people with stupid preferences are free to spend their money how they like. And of course, in our “someone else pays for me” healthcare model, people are spending someone else’s money, so they’re even less likely to rational cost-benefit trade-offs.

Hence ObamaCare is a wonderful way to prevent people from spending their money how they like. We will have government technocrats making the decisions for us!

Logic 88

September 9th, 2010
10:00 am

Interesting how CT only response to certain post.
Respond to Bubba Bob posting at 8:29 and 8:31 … the first postings

James

September 9th, 2010
10:00 am

Really enjoy the silly “evil insurance companies” – like “big oil”

Anyways- tried to call evil insurance company last eve- a person answered and couldn’t forward me to the “evil company”. really perplexed.

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 9th, 2010
10:02 am

Simple fix to your worries, move to a state that is filled with people that think the way you do, this way you can be assured of keeping control of the issues. Let’s remember, this is a constitutional republic of states, all states have their own rights.

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
10:03 am

If health insurance was a true “free market” I could get the same insurance plan in Tennessee as I can in Georgia…but that is not the case.

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 9th, 2010
10:03 am

Amen, libertarian

left wing

September 9th, 2010
10:06 am

The health care insurance companies have anti-trust exemptions, which mean that they can control the market (Blue Cross has 78% of Atlanta’s market, for example). This also allows them to ‘gouge’ consumers in terms of premium and services covered. Because consumers with health insurance only pay the co-pay instead of the full cost of seeing a doctor, there is no incentive to control costs. And doctors, hospitals and insurance companies have superior knowledge of both your condition and the marketplace for these services, which is a prerequisite to classify something as ‘perfect competition’.

Why would anyone think that we have ‘free market’ economics at work?

Now, please return to your ‘left field sucks’ ‘right field sucks’.

Gator Joe

September 9th, 2010
10:07 am

Cynthia,
How tragic some of our citizens, mistakenly, willingly approve spending billions, or more, in order to kill, maim, and wound people in immoral wars, and yet oppose spending to ease suffering, improve healthcare and well-being.

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
10:07 am

Another thing Obamacare requires is that employers put the cost of employee health plans on their W2’s starting with 2012 W2’s. Why do you think they want to know what your employer pays for your healthcare?? Is it to avoid so-called “cadillac” plans? Or is it because they plan to one day tax you on that just as they do on income?

Also under Obamacare employers now have to send a 1099 to ANY company they do business with (if they spend more than $600). Why is this included in a HC bill?? That means if my company spends $1000 at Office Depot I have to send Office Depot a 1099. That is a paperwork/accounting nightmare. The IRS is already unsure of how to handle the influx of 1099’s as well.

left wing

September 9th, 2010
10:07 am

Libertarian @ 10:03 – An insurance plan in Tennessee may not have the same kinds of coverage that a plan (even by the same company) in Georgia. It’s comparing apples with bananas.

Dave from GT

September 9th, 2010
10:08 am

Oh crap, the insurance companies are acting like…….. insurance companies.

If the govt WANTED to fix the problem, they would flood the market with GP Drs and ensure competition for GP family services.

Same for the hospitals.

The insurance companies would be left with the specialists………..Their business would shrink so much and the competiton would go up so much……. that prices for these would surely come down.

allen981

September 9th, 2010
10:08 am

In the end, we’re all going to get sick and die (or injured and die).

How we live our lives is our choice; if health care is imoortant to an individual, find a way to have it. If it isn’t – and millions of Americans CHOOSE not to have it – then no one should be forced to pay for it.

We all take risks every day; some drive 80, some drive 60; some smoke (idiots), some don’t. Whatever each individual chooses to do carries with it responsibility for the result.

Let’s protect all children – which we do – and let everyone else make their own choices.

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
10:09 am

Well said left wing. 78% does not a free market make in my opinion. BCBS basically forces doctors to lower their rates or they threaten to take them out of their network. Smells like a monopoly to me.

RH

September 9th, 2010
10:10 am

“For those Americans who have a religious faith in the free market, health care is a frustrating test of that faith.”

You do love controversary. Today’s topic is “religious faith” in the free market, when you could have very well labeled it a racist free market. I am glad to see your hate is so diverse.

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
10:10 am

@left wing

HMO’s are banned in Tennesse (and Alabama, I believe) but not in Georgia. If you can’t cross state lines to sell then it is not a true free market.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 9th, 2010
10:10 am

False premise = false result. There has been no “free market” in health care since World War 2. The employer’s “healthcare deduction” – long denied to individual policy holders – was a way around the wage and price controls imposed by the US overlords during World War 2. That corruption of the free market led to a system where people got “free” healthcare. Not at all surprisingly, the absence of any constraint on demand (such as “personal obligation to pay”) leads to spiraling costs of service. Nothing abnormal about that economic analysis, and one would not anticipate any leftist to understand such things as simple free market economics.

The cure for two generations of price corruption is as obvious as it seems: require users to pay a larger share of the costs. Not gonna happen in a society of whiners, such as we find among democrat voters, but “healthcare” is not an illustration of failure of market economics, not by any stretch of the imagination. On the contrary, it is a proof of the effects of market interference by the government. Get ready for a lot more corruption.

Shawny

September 9th, 2010
10:13 am

“Competition doesn’t decrease costs.”
Really? How do you know that? Our choices are so limited, and we can’t buy into another policy across state lines. Therefore, it is not real competition, now is it?

Companies are running scared, and this administration and congress are to blame. They don’t know what their true costs of running their business will be, so they cover more than they need to.

There are many failures in this health care law, many of which have yet to be uncovered. You know Nancy said vote it in so that we can begin to figure out what is in it. It is terrifying.

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
10:13 am

Well said Allen.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
10:13 am

WAR, i’m just spit-balling here, but you want to here something really radical and subversive? if the end game is a healthier (more secure) nation, let’s turn it over to the ultimate socialist beast, the DoD? militart bases are closing faster than Blockbuster franchises, right? why not keep a couple open, and staff them with Army medics, Navy/Marine Corps corpsmen, and USAF flight surgeons? it would provide “training” (and jobs) for servicemen/women who could be repatriated from Korea, Japan, Europe, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., and those who want to “consume” private sector health insurance and healthcare can do so. my guess is, Aetna, Blue Cross, Kaiser, the AMA, etc., more specifically, their lobbyists, would start yammering about “socialized medicine” etc. folks on the left and the right talk about the VA all the time (sometimes praising, other times critical of the quality of care, but hey, at least it is care). I think the real glitch in Obamacare is what I mentioned earlier; the “two headed beast”. if the Federal government wants to “heal” Americans, do it with federal employees via federally produced drugs, at federally owned and operated hospitals and clinics. as I said, I’m just kinda spit-balling, but if warfare/welfare are what drive policy in DC, why not kill two birds with one stone? heck, you want to address “unemployment” – hire the unemployed to perform the non-medical (administrative) tasks (and pay them the minumum wage). these offices will need secretaries, computer technicians, janitors, receptionists, etc.

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
10:14 am

Ragnar:
On the contrary, it is a proof of the effects of market interference by the government.

Nail on Head.

Fang1944

September 9th, 2010
10:17 am

I see that Scout started the day by quoting Neal Boortz. That is about as intellectually impoverished as you can get. Boortz’s columns are like something a morose college freshman would write. This country has a government. Gasp! There are law. Horrors! You have to pay taxes. Unbelievable!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 9th, 2010
10:17 am

Dear Libertarian @ 10:14, thanks, but I just read through the other comments and Jon @ 9:17 said the same things I did, except better.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
10:20 am

and as the child of a military officer, Boortz had access to “government healthcare” and “government housing” nd when it came time for college, he attended a “government school” (Texas A&M). Neal makes some valid points from time to time, but his “libertarian” schtick is just that.

left wing

September 9th, 2010
10:21 am

Libertarian @ 10:10 – That is true, but maybe that policy in Tennessee has more restrictions on the prescription drugs it covers, or the policy in Alabama doesn’t have coverage for psychiatric care (something I think several writers on this blog could use). How would you as a consumer know this?

Most consumer’s wouldn’t. If you buy a car or a tv in Tenn or Ala, you would expect it to be the same commodity. Even car insurance, for the most part, is standardized, meaning even between states, the parts you buy, comp, collision, towing, are not differentiated. That is not true with health insurance.

Ragnar my friend, nice to see you back. Although I’m not sure it’s really you, because I’m agreeing with what you wrote. Is this some doppelganger version of Ragnar? Anyway, you are correct about price corruption starting after WWII, which is when the insurance companies received their anti-trust exemption status.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
10:22 am

and, I’m pretty sure Boortz’s dad’s (post-military) job at Lockheed – one of the largest “government (DoD) contractors” at the time, ensured further “mooching” and suckling at the taxpayer teat.

Realist

September 9th, 2010
10:23 am

Enter your comments here

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 9th, 2010
10:23 am

Dear Left Wing @ 10:21, good morning, yes it is really me from the Wooten blog days, good to see you are still around. I’m shocked we are generally in agreement – I must be wrong? Have a great day.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
10:26 am

Scout, politics aside, read earlier that a team of USMC “commandos” (Force Recon, I suspect, and hope they weren’t actually SEALs, and some journalist doesn’t know the difference between a grunt and a squid) liberated a German merchant ship of the coast of Somalia. HOO-RAH!

willie lynch

September 9th, 2010
10:26 am

There was a report about the number of millionaires in the House of Representatives some 2/3’s were millionaire with the average net worth being roughly 700K. This is not a Republican-Democrat issue we are merely dancing on the periphery.

Steve

September 9th, 2010
10:31 am

CT@9:10 – You are spinning, less than 1% sounds like a small sum. The average difference will be $265 per person. For a family of 4 that’s over $1000 per year. That’s real money families on limited budgets have to account for.
Obama promised everyone’s cost would be reduced when Healthcare was passed. I wonder how much support Obama would have garnered announcing the passage of Healthcare would result in your premiums going up less than 1% per year.

Lawrence

September 9th, 2010
10:31 am

CT:
With your attitude toward Medicare, I wish I could live long enough to see you opt out of Medicare when you are old enough to participate.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
10:32 am

Left Wing

“Why would anyone think that we have ‘free market’ economics at work?”

Times are changing. Insurers and private companies are finding ways to get the real prices to the consumers.

it is capitalism at work again. If we can just the get the government out of the way, we can fix this without spending a trillion bucks that we don’t have.

Tech Man

September 9th, 2010
10:33 am

left wing

September 9th, 2010
10:06 am
The health care insurance companies have anti-trust exemptions, which mean that they can control the market (Blue Cross has 78% of Atlanta’s market, for example).
————————————————————–

Where does that figure come from.

The State Benefit Plan uses United Healthcare and Cigna.

BCBSGA has been losing market share for years.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
10:33 am

Josh-

On top of that,the employee has to report this $7000 as income and will be taxed on that to the federal government.

What…thats completely false. I’m a cpa and have studied the tax implications. The healthcare cost are not reported as taxable wages.

evonne goolagong

September 9th, 2010
10:34 am

crank up the death panels, let’s remove these old farts from the government teet….

Rafe Hollister

September 9th, 2010
10:34 am

Free market does work in healthcare, it used to work fine, and then we discovered health insurance. Back in the day when people paid their medical bills themselves, you got home visits from doctors and you paid for them with a dozen free range chicken eggs. The doctors were happy and the patients got good care.

When you have millions and millions of people demanding insurance so they do not pay ANY of their medical costs, the demand is met by the insurance companies by keeping the cost up. If insurance costs $1 a month and covered everything the insurance companies would go broke quickly. They lower their exposure and demand by increasing prices. Unfortunately, they have formed alliances with the hospitals and doctors and do not really care what the medical community charges. They make 3-4% profit and 3% of 10 Billion is much more than 3% of 1 Billion, so where is the restraint on prices on medical procedures. The insurance companies only benefit when hospitals charge $5 for an aspirin.

The secret is to outlaw insurance companies, let people accumulate money in Health Savings accounts, and let the doctors and hospitals compete for peoples business. You would see drive through mammogram clinics and free soft drinks for patients in hospitals. The free market always works, only government can kill the free market with regulations.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
10:37 am

Liberterian-

We have already discussed the reporting of the healthcare on the w2.
The 1099’s is actually to catch tax cheats. A lot of that is unreported income. Well if someone has to send a 1099, that income is trackable. You should actually be happy about that cause its forcing some people who would otherwise pay no taxes to pay taxes.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 9th, 2010
10:38 am

Dear Rafe @ 10:34, well-argued.

ATLshirt.com

September 9th, 2010
10:39 am

We are not a FREE MARKET, in a FREE MARKET, the GOVERNMENT can NOT mandate the people of that FREE MARKET to purchase ANYTHING…. You think the cost of health insurance is HIGH now, WAIT until OBAMACARE kicks in, and EVERYONE is REQUIRED to BUY that insurance… PRICES WILL BE DOUBLED THEN!!!

ATLshirt.com

September 9th, 2010
10:42 am

Oh yeah, and to add on to my last post, Cynthia, after the Prices have doubled, I am sure that you and Obama will still blame Bush!!!

James

September 9th, 2010
10:42 am

evonne- used to love watching you in those short tennis skirts- very hot

Halftrack

September 9th, 2010
10:44 am

CT, The market has not been free due to government regulations on the Health industry. They limited what Insurance companies could do as far as operating only in one state. You also forget about that now they are going to add 30 million to the roles with pre-existing conditions, including extending children to age 26. Obummer care is going to cost 2 ways, you will have to buy health insurance or pay a fine. Also, the employer part of the health care cost will become taxable income. Middle class folks can’t afford all these new taxes imbeded in Obummer care. Oldsters are having their Medicare cut or advantage plans diminished. Government is killing them slowly by legal means.

Hoghead

September 9th, 2010
10:44 am

Tucker: Well baby shots ought to be covered by health care insurance. Bull. That is exactly the kind of thing you can plan for and pay for. If you can’t afford to take care of the baby, then don’t have it. Insurance is for those ailments you can’t plan for–like scoliosis, cancer or the like. And another problem we have is all the healthcare money spent for fat people who have resultant high blood pressure, bad knees, bad hips, diabetes, strokes, heart attacks. If people were a little more responsible, and less whining we could save money. And if the illegals were barred from use of our medical facilities unless they showed cash or their insurance card we would be way ahead. Why is it I have to show my insurance card and they don’t??

gmaye

September 9th, 2010
10:47 am

Josh who do you have going to beat him in 2012? Sara Palin what a joke, Newt old white man of the estabishment do you think young people are going to vote for him? Nick R. another Joke.

Wait till someone in your family has pre existing sickness and can not pay for coverage.

Soon as America get attacked like 911 then you idiot Conservative start yelling we are all Americans.

As a Vet you I dispise you heartless idiots.

Cynthia's race card

September 9th, 2010
10:49 am

Must be racist right Cyn? That’s all you know and live for.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
10:49 am

This statement was never more true …………….

“The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen” Unknown

Conservatives SUX

September 9th, 2010
10:50 am

I’m sorry. I didn’t know a free market system was in the constitution. I was under the impressions that states had the right to regulate insurance based off the 10th amendment…I must be mistaken.

I would much rather have insurance than pay out of my pocket. A bone scan for a stress fracture cost 1300. My monthly premiums are 100…I saved 100 bucks…Why would I want to pay out of pocket. The beauty of this country is if you only want your insurance to cover really major things, you can get that policy(even under obamacare). I just hope you don’t break yor leg(not considered major) and get pneumonia(not considered major). The X-Rays alone will be 3 grand

David Granger

September 9th, 2010
10:50 am

You’re probably right, Cynthia. But the problem is, we’ve had very little “free market” in this country regarding health care.
Under “Obamacare”, for example, insurance companies now HAVE to cover pre-existing conditions. But there’s no restriction on how much they can raise premiums, so naturally…premiums have sky-rocketed. And to add further to the lack of “free market” conditions, if we don’t buy insurance now…we’re in violation of federal law. No WONDER the insurance companies are pouring so much money into the Democratic Party.

Call IT

September 9th, 2010
10:51 am

LOL!

That what most of us get for putting Barry in office. I can’t believe how STUPID some Americans can be. Most of the one’s that voted for the 1st time have never paid taxes or anything for that matter in their lives. Therefore, the takers in America continue to moan that they should be getting things for FREE, like their lunches, scholarships, and the like. Get off of your lazy butts and work for it for a change and stop expecting someone else to take care of you!

The Socialist will soon be out of office!

Enough Said!

John

September 9th, 2010
10:52 am

It’s ALL George Bush’s fault…. Everything that goes wrong from here on out.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
10:53 am

Hoghead-
Feel free to pay for your childs immunization out of pocket. I much rather have it covered under my insurance. And what if I have bad knees and I’m in perfect shape…should I not use my health insurance…

Mike K

September 9th, 2010
10:54 am

@Mike K
@9:13, You’re wrong. That’s TOTAL SPENDING, not govt spending.
—————————————————————
You’re right – I googled the quote you gave and just read the title of the AP piece from which you took it without reading the article. However, you’re wrong about the 2/10 of 1 percent. That’s per annum. The total change is about 2%.

My guess is that number is suspect as well.

Really

September 9th, 2010
10:54 am

Call It-

Having heard the request for free scholarships….isn’t a scholarship free anyway

gatorman770

September 9th, 2010
10:56 am

Conservatives and Republicans wanted to include tort reform in the healthcare legislation which would have reduced doctors fees by at least 10%, but the Democratic party controlled by the ABA and ACLU would have nothing to do with common sense reform that would really be effective in reducing healthcare cost.

gmaye

September 9th, 2010
10:59 am

Call it, who do have to beat him? You dumb conservatives do not even know what socialist mean? George Bush was a socialist”””

Really

September 9th, 2010
10:59 am

gatorman770-

CBO projected tort reform would reduce cost by less than 1%. It’s actually included in the legislation by the way…just thought I’d put that out there

Call IT

September 9th, 2010
11:02 am

Hey gmaye

I know that MORON in office has done NOTHING but blame BUSH and AMERICA for everything and he will not take accountability for his own failures and the like. His spending in two years is more than Bush’s in eight!

You need to wake up and stop following the community organizer, racist, and yes I know what Socialism means and he is right from the playbook.

Enough Said!

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
11:03 am

@SPAS

I guess I don’t remember the W2 discussion.

I’m fine with sending 1099’s to LLCs, sole proprietors, etc. But, like in my example, office depot? I hardly think they are hiding income.

I’m sure you love it since you are an accountant. I guess more people will need to hire you to help them with the work load of sending all these 1099’s??

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
11:04 am

Enough Said!

If only. :roll:

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
11:05 am

Also SPAS…

Ultimately I don’t get why this 1099 rule was attached to a “healthcare” bill. Politics as usual, I suppose. 1200 pages+ of random crap.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
11:05 am

Liberterian-

You would be surprised how many major companies short their income for tax purposes.

Call It-

How is he a socialist??

Hil

September 9th, 2010
11:06 am

Each DAY you discuss something from the Radical Left wing:
Anythig will do. You know Obama’s Health Care Bill will cut a Trillion Dollars from Health Care for Seniors “Medicare” What about Seniors…I dare you to discuss Seniors.

Cardinal Sin

September 9th, 2010
11:06 am

Call it is correct!

This so called President has bowed at people, reduced military spending, and somehow thinks that anyone that makes less than $250k is the only way to gin up the economy! What a loser! We all need tax breaks to make the economy work and BTW, the rich already shoulder most of the tax burden and do pay their share. Call it hits the nail on the head when he mentions Socialist! What else to you call it?

Get this loser out of office in 2012!

James

September 9th, 2010
11:08 am

some people are not smart- folks providing 1099s to home depot, sears, etc will not catch “tax cheats” but was simply done to provide that little illogical boost from the CBOE. The private market cost to facilitate the silliness will out weigh any “catching of tax cheats”

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
11:08 am

…I dare you to discuss Seniors.

And I dare you to go to blogspot and start your own blog if this issue is soooooo important to you.

willie lynch

September 9th, 2010
11:08 am

Businesses are finding out they can do with less in the way of people. They are finding the costs of employees and the attendant issues (vacations, sick pay, insurance, etc)are not necessary. Why hire 3 people when I can get it done with 2? They are able to post profits, pay large bonuses and appeal to shareholders. This is the free enterprise system it requires one who has and one who needs.

The lost jobs are not coming back (comensurate to those lost) because there is no profit in that. Businesses admit they are sitting on capital and report they are seeing strong profits but they use the “we are waiting to see what the government is going to do” line and run a fake reverse on those who can’t quite see the nuance. This is like the insurance companies who dupe their clients with these “holding” accounts instead of paying out death benefits.

The profit motive is not wrong (intrinsically) but in order to fairly assess the enviornment you must include that all to human factor (greed) in this equation.

Lobbyist don’t care who pays.

Boner sez

September 9th, 2010
11:09 am

You don’t need none of that damn health insurance! Just die!

Scout

September 9th, 2010
11:11 am

Dr. Kildare, please report to surgery … Dr. Kildare, please report to surgery.

left wing

September 9th, 2010
11:15 am

Tech Man @ 10:33 – The figure I quoted may be old. The current figure for the Atlanta market is 59%. Wellpoint is Blue Cross.

ama-assn.org/amednews/2010/03/08/bil20308.htm

Nothing Is Free @ 10:32 Times are changing. Insurers and private companies are finding ways to get the real prices to the consumers.

You’re living in a dream world. You think the insurance company is going to work to lower premiums for you??? We need regulation of the industry to prevent them from gouging us.

It's all magic

September 9th, 2010
11:19 am

One cause of rising premiums is health care costs related to older population, more fat people, more people demanding latest/greatest pill to cure everything they do to themselves (along with actual vast improvements in the ability of drugs to cure problems/sickness, etc.). The cost of these drugs (cancer cures, for example), can be enormous (hundreds of millions to billions of dollars). One way to keep premiums down is to just not authorize payment for any new drugs…is this one of your recommendations?

Jimmy62

September 9th, 2010
11:20 am

If Obama and the left are so intent on giving away other peoples’ money, why are they skipping the one area where it might really help things? The most potentially productive citizens are 20-somethings with college degrees and tons of student loan debt. If you absolutely must give away other peoples’ money no matter what, then forgive a percentage of those student loans, giving young people a leg up, rather than continuing to throw money at people who have failed.

But they will never do that. Why? Because student loans are controlled by the government and don’t even go away in bankruptcy, which means the government has a lot of control over the lives of those kids, and they are unlikely to give up that sort of power, even if it would help the country and economy.

On the other hand, they love, love, love to forgive debts they don’t hold. Sign a mortgage you can’t afford? Don’t worry, the government will force the bank to forgive it. Sign a loan the government holds? Unless you’re a “protected” minority with political access or media coverage, you’re screwed forever. Not that I think people who sign loans they can’t afford to pay back deserve help, but student loans have become a big lie. most kids will not make enough to pay them back before their own kids are ready for school.

ButtHead

September 9th, 2010
11:21 am

Of course free market rules don’t work for healthcare, because healthcare is NOT open to free market. If we could buy healthcare across state lines, and have the posting of prices on common procedures, then maybe we could see if the free market healthcare works. But instead our government made the rules so that you can’t have healthcare free market. But once again the idiot liberals create a situation then claim that things don’t work and the GOP did it. When will you people wake up this?

Rafe Hollister

September 9th, 2010
11:21 am

I just love you who want Health Insurance to pay for everything, nothing out of your pocket. What you are saying is I want someone else to pay for my health care. Folks, there is no free lunch. The taxpayers ulitimately wind up paying for your free health care whether we have Obamacare, socialized medicine, or the current mismatch of insurance/hospitals/gov controll.

Well, I do not want to pay for your health care, I’m already paying for your food stamps, housing, and childrens schooling and other things you should be responsible for.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
11:22 am

James-
The private market cost of sending out a 1099…how much is a stamp now….0.45 or something like that. Most companines use a few major vendors…the ones that use a lot of vendors rarely have many over 600 dollars…

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
11:23 am

But once again the idiot liberals create a situation then claim that things don’t work and the GOP did it.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

JB

September 9th, 2010
11:24 am

Imagine in 10 years ( of Obama care) finding out your spouse has cancer, you’re told to call a 1-800 Government run medical clearing house to start the process. you are on hold for 17 minutes ( feels like hours) and finally greeted on the other end by a Government employee with the compassion of a postal worker at Christmas time. After answering 74 questions, put on hold 6 or 7 times, and then told to go a ‘clinic’ in say Griffin, Ga in 11/2 months to start the evaluation period. This just begins the nightmare. Wake up America. This is the single payer option they WANTED…..and still may get if the Mean ole greedy Republicans don’t repeal this. Yes, we need reform, not Government run Health care !

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
11:25 am

Rafe Hollister-
I just love you who want Health Insurance to pay for everything, nothing out of your pocket

You are joking right. I pay a premium (out of my pocket) every month to my insurance..so technically they are using the money I gave them, plus the interest accumulated on said money(thats how insurance companies work), to cover the cost of my medical procedures. Who has free healthcare, even medicaid, you have to pay a little..medicare is suppose to be self sustaining…did someone have a little too much coffee this morning.

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
11:26 am

@SPAS

You are forgetting the cost of my time. I (unlike most people) print my own W2’s and 1099’s. Its also going to cost my software company to upgrade their software to include health insurance costs on W2’s, which they will ultimately pass that cost onto me.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
11:27 am

Jimmy62-

They actually propsed legislation to forgive student loan debt…they were gonna cap repayments to I believe 10years( may have been 15) and forgive the rest. Was suppose to be part of the student loan bill attached to healthcare…

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
11:29 am

@JB

17 minutes? Haha. Last time I called a gov’t agency (GA dept of revenue) I held for 22 minutes, got cut off, then called back and held for 38 minutes before anyone picked up.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
11:30 am

Liberterian-

It’s a box 15 item.( i believe thats the correct box). They don’t have to upgrade, they just have to put the number in. It’s just like when you pay a someone independent a bonus. I can’t think of the term, i want to say its noncommission pay. You can print that stuff out on quikbooks in less than a minute

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
11:30 am

Box 14…my bad

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
11:32 am

It’s not a single payer system…where are yall getting your information from…..wth???

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
11:38 am

how does the FDA fit into the “free market” healthcare model? seems to me if some lobbyist or politico can get Uncle Sam to endorse one drug, or ban another, it’s not a free market. I think we need look no further than marijuana to understand that “freedom isn’r free”. see how this works? we the People are taxed, which provides the resources for the government to operate the FDA. the FDA has the ultimate “say so” when it comes to thumbs up or thumbs down on a drug (or food additive). ergo, Big Pharm or Big Ag doesn’t have produce quality, it just has to “buy off” a congressman or FDA type. and you can transfer this model to ANY government agency (Defense, Education, Energy, etc.). again, look at who really benefits from policy. look at who (lobbyists) truly define agenda at the federal level.

Jimmy62

September 9th, 2010
11:39 am

Some people are stupid: We shouldn’t be attaching riders to unrelated bills. If a part of a bill has nothing to do with the title of the bill, then it should be a separate bill. This crap is just playing politics, like when the Dems put out a horrendous anti-free market bill with a rider about protecting children from child molestors, and when the GOP rejects it, the press shouts that they are supporting child molestors.

That sort of thing has to end if we want any real transparency in government.

Joseph Pinto

September 9th, 2010
11:42 am

Tort reform, competition, and insurance not regulated by the government–

FIRE CYNTHIA TUCKER

StJ

September 9th, 2010
11:43 am

“Note that insurers are raising their premiums more than the amount they suggest is necessary because of the health care law.”

The insurers are going to make as much money as they can before being run out of the health insurance business. The people who voted Obama into office need to look into a mirror to find who’s responsible for this mess.

This is just the light at the end of the tunnel…the train isn’t here just yet.

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
11:43 am

Will Obamacare pay to remove this hamster from my rectum?

Granny Godzilla

September 9th, 2010
11:45 am

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2010
11:46 am

JB, imagine the current healthcare model in place. your wife is probably going to die in either scenario. I have had two family members (young adult and elderly) diagnosed with cancer in the past 18 months. the child endured every procedure known to man; surgery, chemo, radition, etc. he is blind in one eye, and after 3 months of being declared “cancer free” it has been determined the cancer is back and he will die in “3-10 months”. the elderly relative, after second and third opinions, was advised “do nothing – old age will kill you before lymphoma.” all this “death panel” and “denied treatment” stuff is just good old fashioned fear-based political threats. as I said in my first post; who “owns” life? who benefits from life and who suffers from death?

StJ

September 9th, 2010
12:03 pm

no….and probably won’t pay to remove the squirrel either.

Blaylock

September 9th, 2010
12:08 pm

Don’t trust the market…trust Charlie Rengel and Chris Dodd and Nancy Pelosi. Trust these yahoos, they are smart enough to know how to price all product and control all goods and services. Just look at how well they have done so far. Let the bureaucrats decide everything. It will all be fair because no one will have anything.

We have tried this foolishness before and it does not work.

What are these people smoking?

hobby

September 9th, 2010
12:15 pm

ok, Cynthia, at 9:19 you asked where increased competition has decreased costs in any area of medicine.

Pharmaceuticals have increased in price from lack of competition.

Drug prices used to be controlled by ‘free market’ forces but no longer. Consumers used to pay for their medicine and file a claim with their insurance company for reimbursement. Starting in the early 70’s, drug stores began billing the insurance companies directly. This was a small percentage of precriptions at first, but over the years, more and more precriptions were billed this way. Now over 90% of all prescriptions are paid directly by the insurance company to the pharmacy. The consumer never really knows (or cares) what the real price is. The buying decision is no longer based on price vs benefit. The free market no longer exist for 90% of prescriptions. Because of this ‘third party payor’ system, drug prices have continued to rise unabated. There is no downward pressure from the marketplace to hold prices in line. The last section of the population that paid for their prescriptions out of pocket were the seniors. These people were retired, with little or no drug coverage. Medicare part D put them in the ‘third party payor’ program, so now just about everyone has their meds paid by somebody else. And prices keep rising—–

If the system went back to ‘pay as you go’ (as suggested by Jon @ 9:13) you would start to see prices respond to competition and come down.
Of course, there still needs to be medicaid, peachcare, county health departments, etc for the TRULY needy.

So– Cynthia, if you are still monitoring this site, this is one example where decreased competition has increased prices.

Rafe Hollister

September 9th, 2010
12:20 pm

Some people are Stupid

I understand that you pay a premium for a policy that covers 80% of hospital costs, that means you are responsible for the other 20%. So, some of the cost is YOURS, don’t complain you got what you paid for. If the insurance companies have to pay for everything you would never be able to afford the premium. If you have no iiability for the cost then you abuse the system by going to the doctor for every little sniffle. The insurance companies are trying to give you some incentive to man up and take care of your own health care and its costs.

JKL2

September 9th, 2010
12:22 pm

Why would any decent business pay for health insurance for their employees when the government has said they are going to pick up the tab for everybody?
Not sure what the solution is when this mass influx of people into the blue cross system get cut off because eliminating blue cross was the way the Demwits explained how obamacare was going to cost less than $1T.

Drill, baby, drill. Amaizing how Glenn Beck was able to fill the mall without having unions bus in people paid to be there.

Timothy

September 9th, 2010
12:24 pm

Cynthia, you are so so far off the mark on so many issues I cannot see how you could have won a Pulitzer Prize, especially saying we are a country of racists now that people are unhappy with Obama… Let me tell you something directly, Obama does NOT run this country, “WE THE PEOPLE” do!!!

Me!!

September 9th, 2010
12:26 pm

“Medicare is the closest thing we have to socialized health care? Wrong. Prison health care is the closest thing we have to socialized health care. Have you seen the inside of a prison health clinic?

Logic 88

September 9th, 2010
12:32 pm

Still waiting CT…

September 9th, 2010
10:00 am

Interesting how CT only response to certain post.
Respond to Bubba Bob posting at 8:29 and 8:31 … the first postings

Perhaps granny could respond for you.

Tommy Maddox

September 9th, 2010
12:32 pm

Sorry folks – tort reform will not fix anything.

James 34

September 9th, 2010
12:34 pm

Please help.
Granny Godzilla has escape from the home…if you see her please don’t bring her back.

Grumpy

September 9th, 2010
12:35 pm

There hasn’t been a truly free market in health care for 40 years.

Union

September 9th, 2010
12:35 pm

“A more ambitious reform would have waded into health care practices to force new incentives into the system. But that proved politically impossible. Republicans even objected to a plan to study the best procedures to see what actually works.”

i believe it was nancy pelosi.. (pretty sure she is a democrat) that said we had to pass it.. to see what was in it? so.. not to sure how you blame the repbulicans for this one?

Chris

September 9th, 2010
12:39 pm

CT – Name three programs the Government does well that Private Industry cannot do better………

Sure I’d LOVE to have cheaper better more healthcare, I’d also like to be able to shop Nordstrom on a regular basis too…..

Barry

September 9th, 2010
12:40 pm

Jon nailed it at 9 a.m. We don’t have a free-market health care system. As long as most health care is funded with OPM – via insurance companies and government – there is a total disconnect between supply and demand.

Oh, and Cynthia? How about two, to answer your question of where the free market has reduced health care cost: Elective eye surgery (Lasik, etc.) and cosmetic surgery. Practitioners compete in the free market on price, and customers are free to shop costs from one doctor to another – because neither of these type procedures are covered by insurance or funded by government money.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
12:42 pm

Rafe-

Your policy must suck, I don’t pay 20% of anything..I literally pay a copay..everything else is 100% covered.
And second off, if I pay my insurance premium, I can go to the doctor as many times as I want to.If I get a paper cut, if I want, I can go see my doctor. What makes you the supreme authority on when I can go see my doctor, using my insurance, that I pay for. The insurance companies are in the business of getting you to man up, they are in the business of making a profit.

Jimmy62-
We shouldn’t be attaching riders to unrelated bills. If a part of a bill has nothing to do with the title of the bill, then it should be a separate bill. This crap is just playing politics, like when the Dems put out a horrendous anti-free market bill with a rider about protecting children from child molestors, and when the GOP rejects it, the press shouts that they are supporting child molestors

I don’t mind agreeing with that.Hwever, it goes both ways. So when they criticize a demorcrat for being against something that was a rider, I hope to hear you condemn that as well.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
12:43 pm

“The Thrill is Gone”

Hummmm …………………..

“Tri-C students recruited to fill the seats for Obama’s appearance”

PARMA, Ohio – “With less than an hour before President Obama’s scheduled speech, 75 seats remained empty in the recreation center at Cuyahoga Community College’s Western Campus.

So organizers went around campus and recruited more students to fill the seats.

Share Student Jennifer Rahal, of Parma Heights, whose class was canceled today, was working on her art work in the coffee shop in the basement of the building when the call went out for more guests.

After dropping off their stuff at a bag check, the newly invited guests cleared security and filed into the gym.”

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
12:45 pm

Union-
Could you post the whole paragraph of when she said that to get the context please

jarvis

September 9th, 2010
12:46 pm

72% of African American children are born our of wedlock. Fix this problem, and most of the rest will follow.

Liz

September 9th, 2010
12:51 pm

I didn’t have time to read all the comments (I have this think called a Job)….and this may have been said….but if you think what we have is free market, you are seriously mistaken.

Really

September 9th, 2010
12:53 pm

Truly nothing is a free market, there is a level of regulation in everything…even your lasik procedures…If you examine the cost, a certain amount is due to regulation. Look at the actual price difference between procedures and most of the difference will be overhead and location..

Jimmy62

September 9th, 2010
12:53 pm

Some people are stupid: Definitely. A non-partisan issue, it’s more a knock against politicians in general. I condemn the GOP for stupidity plenty. For instance, I was and still am against the Bush TARP stuff. Sure, our credit markets might have frozen for a short time, but there would have a been a lot of money to be made, and a lot of people and companies would have rushed to fill the gaps and earn themselves some money. And then we wouldn’t be left with major screwups like AIG and Goldman Sachs still basically running the economy. Instead the failures would have failed, and the innovators and people willing to take risks to fill the holes left by the failures would have been rewarded. Instead we rewarded failure. And then did it again. And again. While screwing over the non-failures.

Roy Barns

September 9th, 2010
12:56 pm

It’s not the role of government to provide for healthcare! Obama is trying to make The United States into another Cuba! Guess Obama likes cigars too but he has special healthcare! Don’t come to Georgia..I don’t need your help! I will have MY People raking the forest for pinestraw! Can’t beat that job program!!

Dan

September 9th, 2010
12:57 pm

The real problem with american health care is the lack of free markets, the restrictions on interstate insurance, causes people to be insured for services they will reasonably never use and the fact that most people have no idea what the services actuall cost belies that claim (Cynthia and others this is economics 101). The flip side is that while limited, it is still more free than most of the world so that the US medical industry has provided the research and inventiveness to drive the most innovative technical medical services and techniques in the world and enabled the worlds socialist medical facilities at least keep the pretense of competency. If the country somehow fails to repeal obamacare the rest of the world will realize there is no longer a well of innovation and ideas fueled by capitalism to draw from and all will feel the effect

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
12:59 pm

Jimmy62-
I completely agree with you.

Jarvis-
You do know that whie there is a higher percentage of African American births out of wedlock, the higher number is white births???

What?

September 9th, 2010
1:00 pm

And so we give the whole thing to the government to run? Good Solution! They can’t even build a road well.

Democrats are all the same. Point to how bad something is and blame everyone else for it to sell your policy. Look at where it has gotten us. This sucks.

Gordon

September 9th, 2010
1:06 pm

Cynthia admits that Medicare is the closest thing we have to socialized medicine in this country. Medicare is completely unsustainable. No one on either side has any idea how to fix it. States that have tried it (e.g. Massachusetts) are experiencing huge costs. Countries in Europe are sharply reducing big government entitlements.

It’s amazing that Cynthia brings up Medicare when trying to convince us that HCR is a good thing.

williebkind

September 9th, 2010
1:06 pm

You want to reduce healthcare costs? Let each community send a student to medical school with the contract he has to work in the community for 2yrs for every year of school. After that the doctor can join the elitist medical community and become a millionair. Maybe a billionair.

williebkind

September 9th, 2010
1:08 pm

Will CT blog end after November? I am bored with the progressive liberals. I just hope they do not get violate again.

At the Switch

September 9th, 2010
1:10 pm

Health care is not a right. That statement should be the end of this blog. Why are employers required to pay any of their employees premiums.
And the government does not have the ability to operate anything that is designed to make a profit.

Some of what BOcare has in store for us is below. As the wicked witch of congress said, “we won’t know whats in unless we pass it”.

Peter Fleckentein summarizes:
PG 22 MANDATES the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
PG 24 Line 116 Government effectively sets prices for ALL private health plans.
PG 30 Line 123 THERE WILL BE A Government COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
PG 37 Line 132 The Government will be reviewing grievances about themselves and will decide on appeals for rejected claims.
PG 29 Line 4-16 YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! Additionally you can reference PG 15 Line 19-25.
PG 42 The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HealthCare Benefits for you. You have no choice!
PG 50 Line 152 HealthCare will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
PG 58 Government will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & a National ID HealthCare Card will be issued!
PG 59 Line 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer!
PG 61 Line 22-24 Congress has no clue what Electronic Medical Records will cost. Asks for estimate.
PG 62 Protection of Data, Government shows they will have database of your personal & financial info.
OK peeps a big one – PG 64 Line 21-25, pg65 Line 1-5 which refers to processing payment transactions by financial institutions
PG 65 Line 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (ACORN).
PG 72 Line 8-14 Government is creating an HealthCare Exchange to bring private HealthCare plans under Government control.

At the Switch

September 9th, 2010
1:15 pm

Hey CT,

Saw you on the tube with a whole herd of liberal fanatics. And I have to admit you have balls for saying what you did on national tv, or maybe your really that stupid. You need to get over the white brown thing. I have and most intelligent people have also. So that puts you in another minority.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
1:18 pm

At the switch-

Do me a favor. Could you post the parts of the health bill that correspond to some of your last post. Only reason I say that is
1. Thats the house version that did not pass(they passed the senate version
2. I just looked for the first one and didn’t see anything about an audit

Michael

September 9th, 2010
1:23 pm

Free markets alone will solve very little in this country. But compassion for others (not forced), personal responsibility, and free markets will start to solve some of the problems in health care. Stopping the subsidies to Big Agribusiness would go along way to getting Americans healthier. Our government funded diet is killing us and costing billions in health care costs.

JB

September 9th, 2010
1:26 pm

To the person who responded to my post about the nightmare of a single payer Government system , if it happen, and say your spouse got cancer….And their response was “you will probably die anyway”, and he gave examples. I have family who is alive today because of prompt, professional medical evaluation and treatment. “you’re gonna die anyway” is a liberal rational for budget cutting health care expense, if it ever becomes a budget item with the US Government.

Big O

September 9th, 2010
1:26 pm

This nation is a LONG ways from having a free enterprise economy. Our fractional reserve banking system and Federal Reserve System is a good example.

Thanks for reminding me why I don’t subscribe to the AJC.

Why don’t we all simply decide that we’ll let Cynthia decide how much of each of our hard earned incomes is “FAIR” for us to keep; and, Cynthia will take what she wants out of our wallets for her favorite charity – such as health care for those who don’t have insurance. In fact, President Obama, I nominate Cynthia Tucker to the new position of Secretary of Fairness. Thus we’ll just kick out the door that old antiquated idea of “right to property(capitol)”. Additionally, we’ll transfer to her the Federal Reserve’s power to legally print counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes, the craftiest way of stealing buying power out of our wallets.

Blue

September 9th, 2010
1:28 pm

Belinda

September 9th, 2010
8:44 am

Doctors themselves are making too much money. THERE you have said it, the liberal mantra; it is up to liberals to say what is enough, what is too much, and whom we should penalize for making too much and whom we should give it to. News flash to you; doctors go through a LOT more education, testing, certification than about any other profession…and then they pay incredible amounts of malpractice insurance. Most of them work very long hours. They SHOULD make a lot of money. I know that I want my doctors to do well!

Union

September 9th, 2010
1:29 pm

some..stupid.. here you go…

“You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation—innovation begins in the classroom—clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform. Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon. “

Steven Q. Stanley

September 9th, 2010
1:30 pm

Where do we have free market health care? Before government got intimate with health care in the past 20-30 years things were fine. The more government has gotten involved the higher costs have gone.

From the piece: For the better part of two decades, health care costs have been rising at more than the rate of inflation — straining the federal budget, eroding workers’ wage increases and even forcing some small businesses to drop health care coverage for their employees.

Yeah, and this is about the time government started getting to involved with health care with regulation and laws designed to help their insurance company cronies.

It’s been along time since we had free market health care. It doesn’t work? Just the opposite, since we’ve gone away form it things have gotten worse.

The statement made here is akin to saying free market retirement accounts don’t work because Social Security has been such a colossal failure.

Lynn

September 9th, 2010
1:35 pm

Having worked for years in the international and US healthcare markets, I can tell you that across the world, national or government healthcare is a failure. We had numerous examples of every form of offered healthcare to study and model our program after. Yet Congress and our President chose not to do the research. Why? Because the results would have shown that a majority of the populations in these countries do not like their healthcare. In fact, when individuals in these countries have the option, they invariably want Private coverage. How sad that we will waste billions of dollars to decrease the level of care the majority have in exchange for covering a segment of the population that chooses not to have coverage. Implement Medicare/Medicaid pools for the uninsurable and demand that everyone else either have coverage or forfeit all assets in unable to pay. We have been allowing too many people to view healthcare as an entitlement paid for by others.

The Nerve

September 9th, 2010
1:38 pm

How absolutely shocking. Another article that blames Republicans. At least it was saved for until the very end this time.

The free market can fix it if government would get out of the way and STOP the fantasy that healthcare is a right. Healthcare is yet another area screwed because by the Democrat mentallity of entitlement.

dumbcrkr

September 9th, 2010
1:40 pm

What we need is serious reform in the area of….oh look there’s Paris Hilton.

barking frog

September 9th, 2010
1:43 pm

dumbcrkr 1:40 What we need is serious reform in the area of….oh look there’s Paris Hilton.
———————————
Where?

Thogwummpy

September 9th, 2010
1:43 pm

Fact is Cynthia, the Free Market fails anyone that doesn’t want to work to provide for themselves in this life. A liberal has a “child mind” (yes C.T., I’m insulting YOU!), under-developed character that thinks that there should be a mommy and daddy providing their needs from infancy thru adulthood. But, isn’t self-reliance a function of growing up? It is throughout nature. Yet, not for America’s spoiled poor…who want to be idle and get freebies provided for their narcisistic whims (yes, spoiled poor…for the “jobs Americans won’t do” aren’t middle class, are they!). I’ve no issue with funding charities that assist those with physical or mental problems beyond their control. However, THAT isn’t what Cynthia’s empathy is for—she thinks those who don’t want to work, are somehow more deserving than those who actually DO work. Redistributive philosophy is completely rooted in the premise that if you earn something, the lazy should get the benefit of your labor before you do. I LOATHE socialist programs that rape the taxpayer (who lives in fear of the IRS financial gestapo)…so low achievers can have a daily full-time tax consuming vacation at our expense. One day, it is going to break out into a fight—or economic collapse; because people are going to get tired of carrying society’s ever-demanding parasites…and when the load gets too heavy, achievers will quit or revolt. It’s human math!

At the Switch

September 9th, 2010
1:46 pm

Some people are stupid

I just qualified to fall into that Some people are stupid category.

The info I posted was from July of 2009.
PG 50 Line 152 This should have made me realize my mistake
My bad. Thanks for pointing out my error.

James

September 9th, 2010
1:54 pm

some people are not smart but definitely ignorant- sending a 1099 is the cost of a stamp? dream on- I suppose like most libs you are not familiar with the facts- such as collecting information from form w-9, processing the 1099 and filing- you may want to google AICAP and proposed 1099 or you can simply make up stuff and freely blog it- can be fun.

James

September 9th, 2010
1:54 pm

At the Switch

September 9th, 2010
1:57 pm

However, some r stupid, thankfully I am not like you.

hobby

September 9th, 2010
2:00 pm

CT—-
still waiting—-are you there?

[...] Read More… [...]

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Imam Obama's Nobel.

September 9th, 2010
2:04 pm

EDems Breaking With Obama’s Economic Plan…

TIME: ‘Obama’s Army’ all but disbanded; will have no effect on mid-terms…

THRILL IS GONE: Students recruited to fill seats for Obama’s appearance…

NEW LOW: Obama Approval at 41%…
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GOV’T MAKES IT UP: JOBS NUMBERS ‘ESTIMATED’ FOR WEEK…

‘BETTER THAN EXPECTED’…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Imam Obama's Nobel.

September 9th, 2010
2:05 pm

THRILL IS GONE: Students recruited to fill seats for Obama’s appearance…

NEW LOW: Obama Approval at 41%…

Peter Haskett

September 9th, 2010
2:05 pm

I wouldn’t worry. The executive branch is increasing the number of Visas issued to Drs and nurses from India, Pakistan, and the Phillipines. They are willing to work for half of what our Dr’s work for, which will not lower any healthcare costs but will lower the quality of HC. It will increase pharmaceutical, medical equipment, and hospital profits though.

This is happening now and will continue to happen when republicans win back their country. Also, this will give that tort reform so badly needed because Dr’s will not make enough money for any lawyer to sue.

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
2:05 pm

CT—-
still waiting—-are you there?

Accept it sport, she’s just not that into you.

James

September 9th, 2010
2:05 pm

Great thing about being far left or right- you simply have to think it, believe it, and with enough straining it becomes your own little reality!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like CT's Pulitzer and Imam Obama's Nobel.

September 9th, 2010
2:06 pm

..Afghans protest Quran burning plan, torch US flag

Will this action be denounced by the left lunatic apologists like Obama, Clinton, et al?

ken R

September 9th, 2010
2:07 pm

UHH! If i remember correctly the republicans weren’t even invited into the closed door meetings, you know, the ones that were supposed to be on CSPAN.

Please quit blaming everything on everyone else, this is a exhausting as you always using the race card. BORING!

Jeff

September 9th, 2010
2:11 pm

I love how Cynthia screened out my comments because she didn’t like them and disagreed with them… yep, that’s liberal tolerance and free speech support at it’s finest!

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
2:13 pm

I love how Cynthia screened out my comments because she didn’t like them and disagreed with them…

Puh–leeze! :roll:

You’re not the only one whose comment has been moderated or lost in the interwebs.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
2:14 pm

At the Switch-

Im confused, how did I get called stupid for pointing out your error.. I was actually interested in it. And I wouldn’t get caught up in the name…it goes on both sides.

James-
I haven’t stated one belief on this blog…ever…so how am I liberal??
Cause I disagreed with you…
First let me clear some things up…
1. Thanks for correcting the AICPA, which I am a member of, along with the GSCPA
2. You would collect the information for the 1099 the same way you would collect it for a w-2. Do you want me to buy the software for ya. The filing is done electronically. You can do it on Superforms in 5 minutes. I literally just did one 10 mins ago. How can I be unfamiliar with the facts, when I just completed the task you were referring to.
3. Seriously…if you have read any of my post I am center left. I am not a blind ideologue which appears what you seem to be and calls everyone who disagrees with me a raging conservative…there still are people in the middle you know.

Jeff

September 9th, 2010
2:16 pm

So, I guess I’ll summarize here, with little explanation (Dems love little or no explanation):

Free market works in EVERY industry, including health care… it’s why cars and steak dinners and radios and tennis shoes are competitively priced. It’s why utility bills from monopolies like Georgia Power are not.

The Constitution never guarantees health care to anyone. It says life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness — NOT the guarantee of bliss, financial success and perfect health care.

And in a competitive, free market, capitalist, democratic republic like ours, there WILL be some winners and some losers… I hate to state facts, but it’s true. Some people will have a tough lot in life, poor health care and not a lot of financial success. But ya know what? Those Americans are still INFINITELY better off than 80 percent of the world’s population, who eat dirt for meals, have no health care, make 15 cents a year and who die of malnutrition in their 20s.

We are the land of all-you-can-eat buffetts for $5.99, one dollar cheeseburgers, 50 cent beer nights and online porn… we are a nation of exess with a lot of fat, lazy people expecting handouts. We need to get back to our lean, hard-working roots if we want to remain a great country. Putting more people on the govt. dole won’t achieve greatness, it will achieve apathy, which will breed failure.

JR

September 9th, 2010
2:17 pm

Here are the facts. The Dems passed a law that would require more funding/resources for health care. Anyone who understands how the real world works and isn’t naive knows these additional costs would be passed on to the consumer. That is how all business work, regardless of industry. You have to be an idiot to not know that was going to happen, that’s how business and the real world works. The republicans knew this and therefore did not agree with ObamaCare. The Dems had to know this too, because if even if they act like it, we know they’re not all idiots. So what’s the big fuss? We all knew this was coming and Cynthia acts like something is out of place. Cynthia, please tell me this doesn’t suprise you. Really?

jimbo

September 9th, 2010
2:17 pm

During the 2008 campaign Obama declined to release his school records for the three universities he attended. His Columbia University thesis has disappeared from the college’s archives. Many records from his days as a state legislator in Illinois have also disappeared.
He also has a hidden agenda on health care – you know it and have an agenda yourself.

Dan

September 9th, 2010
2:18 pm

I work for a major insurance company. My Health benefits usually increased by about 2 to 4 dollars a year. This year they increased 40 dollars, reason – directly tied to Obama Care per my company statement. Thanks but no thanks OBama.

jimbo

September 9th, 2010
2:23 pm

sorry, I meant to say barry soetoro has many hidden agendas -

Freedom Gator

September 9th, 2010
2:25 pm

Didn’t Nancy Pelosi say “we have to pass this bill so we will know whats in it”.God for bid if Sarah Palin had said anything so stupid.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

September 9th, 2010
2:28 pm

It was probably part of Obamacare…WASHINGTON — An aide to Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer has been arrested on charges that he brought marijuana into a Senate office building.

mmm,mmm, mmm, munchies

Pablo

September 9th, 2010
2:32 pm

Democrats had control of the House, the Senate and the White House and still had to resort to ramming this health care monstrosity down the throats of Americans under the cover of night. Had they allowed true free market solutions to bear on the problem, the costs would have already started to come down, and they could take credit for that for this coming November. The problem is that they seem incapable of doing anything that removes government from the lives of people, and to fix what is not broken they are hell bent on passing legislation and THEN finding out what it really does.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
2:34 pm

I saw where some one said that x-rays for a broken leg can be 3 grand.

Try This Tell the desk person that you are paying out of your own pocket. Then see what they charge. If you pay over 300 bucks, I would be really surprised. I have heard stories of patients having their bills reduced by as much as 90% if you pay cash. Get the insurance companies and the billing companies and the collections out of the mix and all that crap and flipping the switch on an already-paid-for piece of medical equipment will cost much less.

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
2:38 pm

…resort to ramming this health care monstrosity down the throats of Americans…

I have found that those that complain most about having something shoved down their throats, are the same ones who will swallow just about anything

Joel

September 9th, 2010
2:42 pm

dumbcrkr, i hear paris hilton gets to best blow!

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
2:47 pm

Nothing is Free-

I heard someone else say that as well. Heres my problem, if I pay a premium every month…and then have a procedure that is paid for 100% by my insurance, why would I pay out of pocket for it. Even if it did only cost 300, my premium is 250 monthly…im shelling out 550 for that one month.

casual observer

September 9th, 2010
2:51 pm

Will all Libs please pray to the almighty GOVERNMENT 5 times a day? The Messiah will take care of all your needs. He will rob all the Producers in America and give you “your fair share”. We know only 10% of America pays 82% percent of the Federal Income Taxes in this country. BUT Obama is going to take more and give to you so that you can have “Healthcare” and free lunches at school and Foodstamps and SSI and unemployment for 99 weeks. He will borrow over a Trillion dollars for you and waste it on Give away programs that don’t do anything for anybody except put us further into debt. And indanger our whole country.

WHAT A FRIGGING IDIOT. !!

TruthBe

September 9th, 2010
2:55 pm

First of all Cynthia Tucker is nothing but a progressive liberal democrat RACIST hired by the DNC to promote their socialist takeover of free market systems. So that they and obama can transform our Country into somekind of a socialist european country. The ajc is part of their propaganda machine. Vote for a straight Republican ticket so that we can remove these socialist democrat progressive liberal LIARS. And start to repair our broken Nation. Obama and company are anti-America and anti-Constutition.

Pablo

September 9th, 2010
2:58 pm

Kamchack:

If the Democrat’s plan is so good, they would not have resorted to a dishonest, underhanded political tactic to make it pass. Am I glad that they were the ones that would clean the “culture of corruption” in Washington. (That was sarcasm.)

jimbo

September 9th, 2010
3:07 pm

@ casual observer
well said.
I might add only that barry’s idiot wife is also out to control all the ct types so she can hire even more “little” people to do her nails while they wait to see what nancy peonlosi’s new jet will cost.

Down in Albany

September 9th, 2010
3:08 pm

Single-digit increases? Try 43%. That was the amount Aetna increased our premiums on August 1st. Obama said costs would go down. I say mark that down as another one of his lies.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
3:10 pm

Some people are stupid

Totally depends on your co-pay. Mine is $500 for big procedures, but (knock on wood), I’ve never used anything related to health insurance. i had great insurance for years that I was paying a fortune for it but after my divorce I dropped it and got a cheaper, larger co-pay and started paying my ex’s portion of her company insurance to cover the kids which all worked out to be about half of what I was paying, the kids are still insured and it saved my ex a boatload of money.

I was bit by a dog a couple of years ago (trying to break up a dog fight. Lesson learned) and went for a tetanus shot at my ex’s doctor’s office. They sent me to a public health clinic (you can have all the public health care you want. It sucks) it still cost 50 bucks but it would have cost 300 at the doctor’s office.

Price transparency is the key. Check with your insurer and see if they are offering a doctor’s data base so you can find the best doctors for the lowest price. That’s the key to all of this. Doctors might have a slick office in Buckhead and still be horrible doctors but expect to pay for that nice atrium and stain glass windows. I don’t even want to get into the problems my GF has had with the billing after a car wreck. The doctor that charged her for treatment at the ER wasn’t even in the state. He literally called it in and wanted 2 grand for prescribing two tylenol. I started looking up his past and he had ben chased out of NIGERIA for malpractice and is now making a fortune being the physician on call for hospitals all over the South.

With transparency, you may be driving to East Point to a little office attached to a house and get one of the best doctors in the area.

Sea to Shining

September 9th, 2010
3:13 pm

Cynthia,
Nice work over the weekend of playing the race card on TV. Painful. Even after the United States elected a half black man to lead (down the tubes) the country. Pathetic.

Mike K

September 9th, 2010
3:15 pm

@Kamchak
CT—-
still waiting—-are you there?

Accept it sport, she’s just not that into you.
——————————————————————
Please show where the poster stated that he though Cynthia was “into” him.

Libertarian

September 9th, 2010
3:17 pm

@Down in Albany

My company’s premiums went up 37% this year. This is my 8th year with BCBS and every year they increase an average of 12%…but this year 37%? Sorry if the correlation I see is that Obamacare was passed this year.

Anyone else wanting a new topic?

USMC DAWG

September 9th, 2010
3:22 pm

There are no guarantees for healthcare in the U.S. Constitution.

This is a “made up” human rights issue by Leftwing Communist Wackos like Cynthia Tucker.

dumbcrkr

September 9th, 2010
3:25 pm

Casual observer. There are typo’s and then there’s just bad reading and writing skills. Check yourself. And are you in that 82%?

smooveb

September 9th, 2010
3:31 pm

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning last November’s Presidential election:
o Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
o Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
o Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
o Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

Billybob

September 9th, 2010
3:35 pm

Tucker,

You don’t like/agree with the free market? Then admit you like/agree with socialism/statism and be done with it. Quit trying to hide who and what you really are…..and ask Obama to do the same. Time and time again liberals always run as centrists to get elected, because if they told people the truth about who they really are, they wouldn’t get elected. Tell me I am wrong…..

Boner sez

September 9th, 2010
3:35 pm

I’ve already told you people you don’t need health care.

Billybob

September 9th, 2010
3:38 pm

Cynthia,

Explain why the gov’t is allowed to be the biggest health benefits denier in the country, but the evil private insurers catch all the fury from that practice……show me something today ma’am…..

At the Switch

September 9th, 2010
3:39 pm

Some are Stupid

I called myself stupid not you. I admire the fact that you actually read the blogs.

Billybob

September 9th, 2010
3:41 pm

Kamchak,

You have no class based on those type of comments. Waste of time debating someone who is at that level……

dumbcrkr

September 9th, 2010
3:41 pm

smooveb, since the black population makes up nearly 13% of the U.S. population there must be some pretty bad white neighborhoods.

Chris D.

September 9th, 2010
3:43 pm

Your column is completely irrelevant since Free Markets and competition has never been allowed in the health care industry. Take for example not allowing people to get insurance from outside their own states. If more companies were allowed to compete prcing would inevitably be lower

dumbcrkr

September 9th, 2010
3:46 pm

Chris, If there are numerous companies competing within a state why aren’t the prices reduced?

Chris

September 9th, 2010
3:54 pm

Too bad we didn’t try to use the ‘free market rules’ when the healthcare reform bill was being drafted. Let’s review the most basic free market rule: Supply and Demand. If you have an abundant supply and little demand, the price will be cheap. Conversely, if you have a limited supply and an increased demand then prices increase. Now how does this apply to healthcare? What is the supply and demand in US Healthcare? Answer: doctors, nurses, practitioners, specialists, equipment etc. So to really apply free market rules to health care, we should have provided grants, scholarships, etc. to increase the amount of people able to afford medical school or to be professionally trained. Further, building grants to increase the size of medical schools so more people are accepted into medical school. How about research grants for universities and companies to compete for to provide lower cost alternatives to current treatments including diagnostic equipment and new drug discovery. Instead of ideas like these, that would have increased the supply side of health care, the government completely punted the ball and only focused on the insurance side, and mandated that more people be covered and have access to essentially now ‘free services’ as the bill was designed. So all they did was increase the demand on an already limited supply. Why would they do this? To get votes by saying ‘we gave something to you that you didn’t have, vote fore us’.

A "Voice"

September 9th, 2010
4:04 pm

PearlJam, September 9th, 2010, 8:36 am — get your head out of the sand. You have to remember what Obama said . . . basically, that he/we “won” so in other words . . . “we’re in charge!”. The democrats wouldn’t let the republicans have any say about the healthcare bill. Remember the so-called summit that Obama had w/democrats and republicans . . . it was an absolute joke!! The republicans are the party of NO . . . that would be the democrats!!!

A "Voice"

September 9th, 2010
4:05 pm

The republicans are not the party of NO . . . that would be the democratic party!!

A "Voice"

September 9th, 2010
4:07 pm

There are lots of factors that go into the rising health care costs over the years ~~ people expecting more and more to be covered by health insurance . . state legislatures passing bills and feds passing bills to cover procedures that in the past had not been covered . . . medical law suits . . . and on and on.

Billybob

September 9th, 2010
4:11 pm

NOTICE TO ALL FAR LEFT LIBERALS:

Keep speaking your mind(at the top of your voice) for you are the Conservatives ticket to triumph in November!

Scout

September 9th, 2010
4:12 pm

To: The Leg Lamp is a “major award” much like CT’s Pulitzer and Imam Obama’s Nobel @ 2:06 :

“Afghans protest Quran burning plan, torch US flag”

“Will this action be denounced by the left lunatic apologists like Obama, Clinton, et al?”

From: Scout

No, because the one way intolerant Islamists must be appeased or they get very upset. It’s called “dhimmitude”. Look it up.

By the way, since they did torch our flag, after dinner if you want to go rioting and behead some Islamists, let me know but I have to be back in time for the Auburn vs. Mississippi State game.

Billybob

September 9th, 2010
4:14 pm

Note to AJC:

If you want a new voice that can connect with your center/center right readers and actually give them a reason to purchase your paper…….get in touch with me….

Mallory

September 9th, 2010
4:15 pm

Ms. Tucker, earlier you created a tear-jerking account of parents unable to acquire immunizations for their children. With Georgia’s VFC (Vaccinations for Children)’s program, you can wipe that crocodile tear from your eye. $14.95 administrative fee.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
4:18 pm

Billybob :

They would rather die and go out of business.

Billybob

September 9th, 2010
4:20 pm

Good one scout……you may be right!

Scout

September 9th, 2010
4:28 pm

BEIJING (Reuters) – “Switzerland remains the world’s most competitive economy, while the United States has fallen from second to fourth after losing the top spot last year, according to the World Economic Forum’s annual rankings issued on Thursday.”

Thank you “Che” Obama

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 9th, 2010
4:30 pm

Ms.Tucker,

I don’t what you did, but that ROYBAMA.com add on your main page is beautiful. Keep up the good fight. lmao.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
4:33 pm

Headline (ABC) “Obama Administration Considers Calling Pastor Terry Jones to Stop the Koran Burning”

O.K., O.K., this is getting tiresome. Rev. Jones, why don’t you just change it to a “laugh at the Koran” day ?

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 9th, 2010
4:34 pm

@ scout,

You are my hero. I look forward to your comments, they make this communist paper worth looking at. Thank you.

MarketPrice

September 9th, 2010
4:35 pm

There is no such thing as “free market” in the health care industry. Where can I find the price of services provided by my (or others) doctor? It doesn’t exist! At least prices are not provided to the public. Prices are controlled by the insurance companies. And as a result, the insurance companies controls what you can and can’t receive in services.

Someone mentioned that most insured persons are happy with their services through insurance companies. Well, yes, they don’t know anything else because you either go through an insurance company or pay exorbitant prices without insurance. Not much of a choice!

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
4:39 pm

I hear you knockin’ but you can’t come in, Mikey-poo

Peter Haskett

September 9th, 2010
4:42 pm

So, let me see if I can follow the Republican logic today. Jingoism can be tough to analyze.

“We can improve healthcare costs with personal responsibility”
—Love this one! So personal responsibility cures cancer and if an irresponsible person were responsible his/her germs would not be contagious to personally responsible people? Makes perfect sense. I should have told my friend who died at the age of 44 last year from brain cancer that if she hadn’t wasted her time working on her PhD while teaching in public schools and been “personally responsible” instead she wouldn’t have died.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
4:51 pm

Wow, that’s Pulitzer material :

Thank you for your encouragement.

“And so he bowed.” But I won’t ……….. and that’s what they don’t like.

“The Truth will make you free”

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 9th, 2010
4:52 pm

Peter, if that’s all you get from the argument by conservatives, you will never understand what causes healthcare costs to rise. Please go find another activity because thinking clearly isn’t one of your assets.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
5:02 pm

Peter Haskett

Personal responsibility now means that one needs to heal themselves?

Wow. That’s a stretch.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
5:08 pm

MarketPrice

:There is no such thing as “free market” in the health care industry. Where can I find the price of services provided by my (or others) doctor? It doesn’t exist! :

Actually you can. Most insurance companies are now offering a transparent price data base for their clients. I know of two more transparency Data services about to come on line that will be made available to large companies for their employees. THose companies will work with the insurers to create incentives for the consumer to do a little shopping and find the best buys while also seeing the ratings, arrest records, license problems etc. of each doctor.

But the insurance companies DO NOT set the prices. The doctors set the prices. That’s why you might pay a fortune to see a lousy doctor that has a great looking office or see one of the best in his nice little home office.

See? Capitalism ROCKS!!

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
5:12 pm

Looks like the Mosque is going to be built elsewhere.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
5:18 pm

…………. and looks like the burning has been called off.

ck hall

September 9th, 2010
5:18 pm

Recieved my new Oabamacare bill today..It is going up….again!

barking frog

September 9th, 2010
5:19 pm

The troops are safe.

Kitty Conrad

September 9th, 2010
5:22 pm

If CT understood economics 101, she’d have a real job.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
5:22 pm

barking frog:

Oh yes, now that the Korans are not being burned they will be best buds with our troops.

Film at 11.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
5:24 pm

Now that Rev. Jones has called off the torching of the Korans, I guess it’s too much to hope that N.O.W. would start burning burkas

Scout

September 9th, 2010
5:35 pm

Time for chow. Back later.

Real Athens

September 9th, 2010
5:36 pm

Mystified:

” … you have an entity that does not have to show a profit and can run at a loss competing with for profit companies. It creates unfair competition that would most likely lead to running private insurance companies out of business.”

What do you think Microsoft, Wal-Mart, Big Oil, Agribusiness and many other giant, multi-national, corporations do on a daily basis to stifle competition, research and development and free-markets?

Hell, that’s called capitalism. What, are you some kind of socialist?

Michael

September 9th, 2010
5:37 pm

I stopped read after the first paragraph when I saw this:

“Competition doesn’t decrease costs.”

Really? How much does laser eye surgery cost today? How much did it cost 10 years ago? It’s a perfect example of competition lowering costs. Because consumers have to pay for it directly and prices are transparent the providers have to compete on cost and quality, just like every other industry.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
5:37 pm

Hey. Just for fun, anyone want to meet at Piedmont Park on Saturday and burn a Koran?

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
5:38 pm

Just kidding.

Bad Karma, man. Bad Karma.

MarketPrice

September 9th, 2010
5:40 pm

“Nothing for Free”:”But the insurance companies DO NOT set the prices. The doctors set the prices. ”

What insurance company do you know who pays “the price set by the doctor”?

In fact, the insurance companies do set the price THEY will pay! If the doctor set the price (or control it), why is it that the same procedure can cost you more or less depending on your insurance company?

Mike K

September 9th, 2010
5:58 pm

@Kamchak
I hear you knockin’ but you can’t come in, Mikey-poo
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Please show exactly when and where I was “knockin’”. Also, explain why you have engaged in name calling.

Mike K

September 9th, 2010
6:02 pm

@Real Athens
“What do you think Microsoft, Wal-Mart, Big Oil, Agribusiness and many other giant, multi-national, corporations do on a daily basis to stifle competition, research and development and free-markets?”
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What a great point! You’re sooooo right – over the last 20 years Microsoft has driven up the price of operating systems, agribusinesses have driven up the price of food, and Wal-mart has driven up the price of clothing, groceries, and all sorts of goods. Oh, wait, that’s the opposite of what happened. Well, in any case, the price of oil rose. Of course, oil exists in limited supply and demand has skyrocketed, but that can’t have anything to do with the increase in price.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 9th, 2010
6:12 pm

I am totally opposed to the burning of Koreans! What it the world did the Koreans do that someone would want to burn them. I knew a Korean – he cleaned our offices. A prince of a guy. He was a little hard to understand, but what crime is that! What has the world come to!!!

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
6:13 pm

MarketPrice

“In fact, the insurance companies do set the price THEY will pay! If the doctor set the price (or control it), why is it that the same procedure can cost you more or less depending on your insurance company?”

There’s a lot of valuables, but how much you pay is determined by your deductible and since most are HMOs, the consumer has a smaller choice of doctors that they can choose from, all determined to be in that price range. But like I said, that is all changing and it has nothing to do with Obama Care.

The newer system will give you a lot more options.

Say you need a procedure . . . a kidney infection. Your company belongs to this Data service.

You go on line. You look up the procedure and it lists all the doctors in your area that perform that procedure or treatment. lots of different prices and ratings. You will be able to see the background, fines, problems, awards, etc of each doctor.

If you choose doctors in a specific price range (price rarely means its a better doctor. It’s usually based on operating cost such as building rent, overhead, etc. ) If you choose some doctors, you won’t need to pitch in with a deductible. In the next group of prices you will need to pay your deductible and the last group of prices, you will need to be paying out your nose, along with the deductible, plus what the insurer pays.

So you are right. The insurance companies set what they will pay, but it is the doctors that will decide how much they will need to get to do the procedure or treatment.

you will begin to hear about this a lot in the media by Christmas.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
6:16 pm

Ragnar Danneskjöld

I feel that way, but only about South Koreans.

North Koreans: Light em up.

hobby

September 9th, 2010
6:28 pm

I’m sad—– I really thought CT WAS into me!!??

hobby

September 9th, 2010
6:34 pm

FACT–There is not a free market in health care. Supply of hospitals is controlled by the “certificate of need”. If not for that, we would have at least twice as many hospitals, clinics, etc competing for patients. If patients had to pay out of pocket, then be reimbursed by their insurance company, there would be more ’shopping’ for price and quality.
CT is right (hard to say that!) — Free market rules DON’T work for health care with the system that is in place. Oh, it will be worse with Obamacare. The real fix is to return to a free market system and watch the prices fall and quality go up!!

John Galt

September 9th, 2010
6:42 pm

Bubba Bob-

The speech of CT and her lemmings sounds EXACTLY like the “progressives” in Atlas Shrugged.

Scout

September 9th, 2010
6:56 pm

Headline: “Fidel Castro: Cuba’s Communism Not Working”

Well, well, well ……………. maybe he could talk with “Che” Obama?

StJ

September 9th, 2010
7:15 pm

If Castro has decided that Communism bites for the people at the top, it must really bite for the people at the bottom.

But hey, it will work here because the “right people” are implementing it here. Never mind those history books…

Mike

September 9th, 2010
7:17 pm

Neil Boortz is a butthole.

Tommy Maddox

September 9th, 2010
7:24 pm

Smooveb @ 3:31:

Very interesting and telling.

Real Athens

September 9th, 2010
7:45 pm

MIke K:

” What a great point! You’re sooooo right – over the last 20 years Microsoft has driven up the price of operating systems, agribusinesses have driven up the price of food, and Wal-mart has driven up the price of clothing, groceries, and all sorts of goods. Oh, wait, that’s the opposite of what happened.”
You’re right that’s exactly what has happened. They were able to operate their businesses at a loss for extended periods of time, driving competition, research and development out of business to give us second rate operating systems built in Vietnam; food that has less health benefits (and taste) of locally grown farms (who went out of business); meat that poisons citizens daily and clothes manufactured in Asia that destroyed the Textile Mills of the Southeast.

Capitalism ROCKS!

Chris Sanchez

September 9th, 2010
8:22 pm

Real Athens,

There is nothing wrong with the way capitalism works. When the government puts in place a tax system that makes manufacturing overseas less expensive than to make them domestically, then capitalism reacts accordingly and moves those operations overseas and improves their profit margins. By the way, businesses don’t pay taxes. The customers of those businesses do in the way of higher prices. Reduce taxes on businesses in a meaningful way and see what happens. If the nominal cost of manufacturing something domestically is the same as doing so overseas then the jobs will stay here and likely return.

The problem isn’t capitalism. The problem is government trying to manipulate capitalism.

Some People are stupid

September 9th, 2010
8:30 pm

Chris Sanchez-

Wait…hold…on…you just said businesses dont pay taxes..and then said to reduce taxes on business….

You cant make this stuff up

Divide and Conquer

September 9th, 2010
8:35 pm

Thanks Carlinist. No need for me fell the need to post once again since you said it all at 9:08AM :)

Real Athens

September 9th, 2010
8:36 pm

Yeah Chris, you’re right. Americans are too fat and soft. Hell, why can’t they work 12 hour shifts for $.70 a day? If they shop at Wal-mart, they can get by!

Hey, just like the good ‘ol days of the company store, Standard Oil and the Stockyards of St. Louis.

I’m in!

Divide and Conquer

September 9th, 2010
8:37 pm

Wait, that was CT at 9:08. I meant 8:40.

Lil' Barry Bailout

September 9th, 2010
8:42 pm

FBI agents visit Florida church over Quran burn
By ANTONIO GONZALEZ and MITCH STACY (AP)
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When did the FBI start “visiting” folks who simply plan on exercising their free speech rights?

When the Idiot Messiah took office, apparently.

Idiot Messiah: Fascist.

Lil' Barry Bailout

September 9th, 2010
8:44 pm

Free market rules worked just fine until the government got involved in health care.

Just one more think Democrats have funked up.

bravesfansince66

September 9th, 2010
8:51 pm

The real problem is the cost of litigation. Doctors are ordering tests to cover their butts. I am sure you believe the costs and quality will improve with Obamacare. As many have said before how can we expect the government to manage anything as complex as the health care bill when it can’t even manage the stimulus spending. And oh the irony of what to call the results, first created then saved and now lives touched. And the unemployment numbers reported today were incomplete by 9 states so we will just give an estimate. Never mind the other 41 that reported were trending in a negative manner. So you have all the uncertainty surrounding, health care, taxes and all the new regulations weighing on the entities with the capital to create jobs. This whole group at the White House is strong on what needs to be done academically but have no clue how it is in the real world. And our illustrious president is the most clueless of the bunch!

AlatSea

September 9th, 2010
9:36 pm

Anybody seen that Keep up the fight?

Tell him AlatSea is looking for him.

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
9:58 pm

AlAtSeA

Have you finished swabbing the deck.

Perhaps TuEsDaY vANdY gIrL can help.

Nothing Is Free

September 9th, 2010
10:26 pm

I’m not sure if liberals get this:

Say the fed raises taxes on the oil companies. Is there anyone who believes that the oil company ecexs get all the stock holders together and say “Ok guys, they caught us. We are going to need everybody to man up and give us x amount of money to pay these taxes.”

Is there anybody really that dumb?

Is there anyone that is just dumb enough to believe when the financial reform bill caused the banks to hire more paper pushers to make sure the banks conform to the new regs, that the banks go to the stock holders and say “Ok guys. We need some money to hire these new people that the government is requiring”. And then among some pretty vocal profanity, we see a room full of fat cats setting and writing checks to take are of those costs.

Is there ANYONE that is dumb enough to believe that ANY company is NOT going to pass their increased cost brought about by extra taxes or extra costs they encounter because of more regulations to their customers?

So it doesn’t matter if you make less than 20 bucks a year. Not 20 thousand, but ANY amount of money, you are going to pay those taxes for the companies that the government is talking about leveling toward “rich people” i.e. small businesses and large businesses that have been under attack by this administration since 2007?

If anyone does believe that they won’t be paying those taxes for those “rich people” you’re an imbecile.

Kamchak

September 9th, 2010
11:12 pm

…i.e. small businesses and large businesses that have been under attack by this administration since 2007?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

AlatSea

September 9th, 2010
11:22 pm

Kamchak

Tell us all again how you have been in the construction business since the 70’s. It’ such a great and inspiring story.

Leon from Redding CA

September 10th, 2010
12:10 am

Traditional employer funded health insurance is not a free market. For a free market the consumer must be making the financial decisions. A new company has found an amazing way for employers to control healthcare costs, or who couldn’t afford employee health insurance, to now do so. LyfeBank, collects employer contributed funds and directs them to employee-owned LyfeVault accounts (via existing tax law) where employees can use their accumulated account funds to purchase (at lower cost) an individual or family insurance policy of their choice, and pay for other qualified medical expenses with their LyfeVault Visa debit cards. All with pretax dollars. This is a free market business model which could easily replace our outdated employer/insurer model. A brief visit to LyfeBank.com will explain this amazing process better than I.

Scout

September 10th, 2010
12:19 am

Hummmm ……….. I wonder if this will grow legs ?

ALLAMA OBAMA

“A Pakistani newspaper is quoting one of the country’s ministers as stating he wants President Obama to offer Muslim prayers at Ground Zero and become the “Caliph,” or ruler, of the Islamic nation.

“The coming Eid would expectedly be observed on 9/11; this a golden opportunity for President Obama to offer Eid prayers at Ground Zero and become Amir-ul-Momineen or Caliph of Muslims. In this way, all the problems of Muslim World would be solved,” stated Minister of State for Industries and Productions Ayatullah Durrani, according to Pakistan’s The Nation newspaper.

The newspaper reported Durrani called its offices and argued the Muslim world was in “dire need” of a supreme leader and that the position would earn Obama the exemplary titles of what Durrani termed “Mullah Barrack Hussain (sic) Obama,” or “Allama Obama.”

Christopher Chance

September 10th, 2010
2:45 am

I see no problem with forcing Americans to buy health insurance. It’s no different than making Americans buy car insurance when driving a car. The level of coverage you want is up to you..as long as you have basic care. If you want fancy care (just like if you want all kinds of coverage for your car), then you pay more.

As far as the hubbub about the wacko preacher in Florida who wants to burn the Quoran….I say, let the mofo burn it. Personally I have better things to do (although I would totally support a bonfire that burns the bible, Torah, and Quran).

However, I feel that the bigger issue here is that this is a freedom of speech issue. Just like Americans have a right to burn the American flag or the bible…..he has a right to burn the Quran. Why should Muslims be any different than a Christian or Patriotic American who hears that someone is burning a bible or the American flag?

If Muslims ever want to be taken seriously….if they want to ever be viewed as anything but fanatics…..then they need to wake up and join the 21st century. In the free world, people have the right to free speech. As long as they get riled up over someone burning a Quran or a cartoon depicting Mohamed……….they will continue to be viewed as extremist religious wackos.

For President Obama and the military to get their panties in a twist over some wacko preacher with a congregation of 50 people…..just shows how they really view Muslims. If I was President and wanted to give the Muslims an out when it comes to showing that they are reasonable people……then I would hold a press conference and say something along the following lines: “I’m confident that most reasonable Muslims are strong enough in their faith to not let some wacko preacher affect their judgment”.

Saying that would give Muslims an opportunity to show that they arent extremists. Instead, the powers punted by catering to the sensitives of Muslim extremists. Instead of having the vision to make a situation like this work to their advantage…….Obama just delayed the inevitable. I guarantee you that another situation like this will come up in the future. When someone tells you that you cant do something…it kind of makes attention seekers want to do it. Bank on it.

ODDOWL

September 10th, 2010
3:46 am

I’ve noticed that of the 342 comments posted in this blog site, not a single one of them mentioned anything about salary increases. American workers are some of the lowest paid workers in the industrialized world. The average salary in the US is about $14.00 an hour or $31.000 a year. The average wage in the US has decreased every year since 2000. When inflation is taken into account, the average worker today earn about the same wage as a worker did in 1980. President Obama explained it perfectly; “Many Americans have been hoodwinked and bamboozled.” Lets contrast the salaries of Americans with the salaries of workers in Western European Countries. The average salary in German is about $37.00 ah hour, in France about $37.00 an hour, in Britian about $30.00 and hour, the Scandinavian Countries about $35.00 and hour. All the Western European Countries have national health insurance, along with all other cradle to grave services. When a recession occur in Europe, a strong middle class keep the economy relatively stable. We Americans have a weak middle class, huge lower class, mass layoffs and overvalued houses in foreclosure, all hell has broken loose. Milton Friedman’s Deregulated, free market, supply-side trickle down, cutthroat capitalism has proven to be a miserable failure. Cutthroat capitalism has produced a vicious class warfare with the richest 10% of the population hording 90% of all the wealth. You know, that European style of so-called Democratic Socialism is beginning to look more and more attractive.

Lil' Barry Bailout

September 10th, 2010
6:34 am

ODDOWL: Cutthroat capitalism has produced a vicious class warfare
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Hmm, sounds like somebody can’t cut it in a competitive market. Loser.

If you think those Europeans have it so great, you haven’t seen how they live. Their high tax rates undo every bit of those grand salaries, and they have a living standard similar to our lower middle class.

Lil' Barry Bailout

September 10th, 2010
6:36 am

$37 doesn’t go too far in a country where a beer is $7 either.

Educate yourself before spouting off…then you won’t sound so dumb.

Caveman

September 10th, 2010
7:02 am

The “free market” doesn’t work for anything. Look at how deregulation brought our economy to it’s knees.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 10th, 2010
7:29 am

Li’l Barry, I conced the $7 beer post. but most are found at ballparks, concert venues and high end drinking establishments. I think the problem with Obama’s plan is, it removes “choice” from the equation – do I want to attend a Braves game where I know beers are $7? do I want to take the Mrs. to some trendy club or Buckhead eatery where I will pay $10 for a fancy-pants microbrew? as far as “not cutting it in a competitve market” – I call “idiot”. the healthcare market is not “competitive” because the regulations in place favor insurance companies and providers. that said, I concur the Obama solution does not change this at all. the “reform” or new regulations are cosmetic and political at best.

jt

September 10th, 2010
7:35 am

Four sentences in, CT devestates her own argument.

“For the better part of two decades, health care costs have been rising at more than the rate of inflation — straining the federal budget,”

The “free market” has absolutely nothing to do with the federal budget. The government killed the “free market” over fifty years ago.

Reagan was right.

Andrea

September 10th, 2010
8:47 am

Has anyone ever shared the cost of the benefits received for the premiums paid? The missing discussion is what the cost of care is without insurance. Most Americans don’t understand or have forgotten what insurance is…simply a group of people who come together to pool their dollars against current and future costs of that care needed. We need to discuss the cost of the care for us as a nation to understand why the premiums issues by the insurance companies are either too high or too low to cover those costs. I am for a solutions to the raising cost of care and for that care to be the best that we can afford both individually and as a nation.

southla

September 10th, 2010
9:22 am

There has not been a free market in Healthcare since 1965 when Medicare was passed. Graph the cost of medical costs from 1940 to now along with the variouls goverment programs, and the fact is inescapable that the involvement of the Government in Healthcare is responsible for the high costs. It is clasic economics, goverment money creating ever more demand. When demand chases supply, costs have to rise. Add to that insane regulation, and here we are.

buck@gon

September 10th, 2010
12:28 pm

” (Note that insurers are raising their premiums more than the amount they suggest is necessary because of the health care law.)

The greatest failure of the new health care reform law is that it fails to restrain costs, as advertised. Despite what opponents say, the law raises costs only marginally. From The Wapo:

A more ambitious reform would have waded into health care practices to force new incentives into the system. But that proved politically impossible. Republicans even objected to a plan to study the best procedures to see what actually works.”

Folks, we have it here first from C. Tucker, mediocritist extraordinaire in the editorial world. Now that we are implementing reform–the reform we still don’t know about because it isn’t all implemented yet, because we aren’t sure what was in it, and because we were going to learn about it AFTER we passed it –we need “more ambitious reform.” And all this time, the REPUBLICANS (not the DEMS who had a filibuster-proof majority) get the blame for this ambitious reform not happening.

Cynthia, you must be either an imbecile or believe that we, your readers are. Who in the hell are you kidding?!!!

Resign your job, do good things and start telling–or at least “acknowledging”– the truth, for once! If you can’t make a decent argument on point and on fact, you do not deserve any award, salary or respect that your job commands. Because you don’t, you continue to demean the “media” and make it all suspect.

I wish you well, and I hope you read things once in a while (like this) against which you know you can not argue. You need to write and behave like a logical adult.

Lil' Barry Bailout

September 10th, 2010
12:37 pm

Funny how everyone thinks health insurance is such a ripoff, yet they continue to clamor for it. Paid for by someone else, of course.

Pay your own bills, parasites.

Lil' Barry Bailout

September 10th, 2010
12:40 pm

‘Free market’ rules don’t work for health care
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I guess the Idiot Messiah’s health care scheme doesn’t work for health care, either, sinc we’re now learning that it is causing insurance rates to go up. Wasn’t all this government interference supposed to “bend the cost curve down”?

Heath care: Just another thing the Democrat party has funked up.

Adrian Donovan

September 10th, 2010
3:35 pm

Your column is a display of pure ignorance. Even though we have private insurance plans, they are not truly free market systems because of the massive government mandates. If the “free market” were allowed to work, it would solve the problem. Free market means that the industry or profession is free of government interference. That, unfortunately, will not happen.

Christopher Chance

September 10th, 2010
6:34 pm

Adrian Donovan…………….free from government interference would be a great temptation for greedy corporate types to engage in even more immoral business practices. You only have to study history to understand this. Absolute power corrupts absolutely…………just like an absolute free market corrupts absolutely the free market.

Let me ask you this: For those of you who believe in the bible, I’m sure that you’re aware of the story of the Ten Commandments and how Moses went up into the mountain and came down with the stone tablet that God gave him to take to his people.

Well, if man is so incapable of doing the right thing that God had to put it in writing that you should not commit murder…………….what makes you think that we as humans or Big Business should be free from government regulation? Without government regulation……….the so called free market becomes survival of the fittest (meaning that the powers that be will not have to worry about playing fair).

History has shown that the powerful (whether Big Business, military or political leaders) do not always play fair. Without the checks and balances that the government has to offer…………….monopolies will become even more the norm. You’ll see that the so called free market will truly be far from free.

TnGelding

September 11th, 2010
6:36 am

Free market rules don’t work, period. We all need to take responsibility for our own health care and stop relying so much on drug dealers (doctors). I made so many bad decisions during a recent hospitalization I should be charged for part of the bill. I feel guilty for abusing the system. And it was probably all due to something I foolishly ate.

Smiley

September 11th, 2010
7:37 am

Ever since third party payors such as the government and health insurance companies got involved, there has not been a true free market in the healthcare industry as they have a monopoly on dictating the price of healthcare. How could there be a free market when the end-consumer has no idea what actual money is being spent on their healthcare and they were not involved in any of the spending decisions? Make them accountable for their spending and we’ll see how many unnecessary antibiotics or x-rays get ordered. The closest thing to a free market we have right now is LASIK, cosmetic surgeries and HSA – they are free from third party payor involvement and seem to follow the rules of the free market just fine.

dan

September 11th, 2010
5:28 pm

the only problem with your assumption is that we do not have a free market in health care. there is massive government intervention. governments on state local and federal levels pay more than 50% of all health care dollars. if there are problems with health care it is obviously because of too much government intervention.

Chip

September 13th, 2010
12:58 pm

It is very hard to argue that the “free market” has not reduced healthcare costs when you consider the vast regulatory measures placed upon health care providers.

I’m not suggesting that the regulations aren’t necessary, I’m simply suggesting that the health care market is not able to operate under free market principles.

It is disingenuous to suggest that the behavior of a heavily-regulated market is somehow indicative of the fact that free (i.e., largely unregulated) markets do not work.