Southern Baptists say Beck is no Christian, either

WASHINGTON — Glenn Beck is a talented huckster, a shrewd survivor who may be in the middle of another self-reinvention. This time, he seems bent on remaking himself as one of the oldest of the stock all-American characters: the Elmer Gantry-like preacher-performer.

Last weekend, Beck held a rally on the National Mall, “Restoring Honor,” calling the nation back to what he sees as its traditional Christian roots. Beck gets a lot of things wrong, including history. Moreover, he’s an odd spokesman for conservative Christianity, since he’s Mormon.

But never mind all that. One of this country’s many charms is its capacity to weave an assortment of eccentrics into its cultural fabric without being ripped apart by their bizarre sentiments. If the country survived the pronouncements of Father Charles Coughlin — a Roman Catholic priest whose 1930s-era radio show reverberated with praise for Hitler and noxious attacks on Jews — it can survive Beck’s pseudo-theology.

Still, there are dangers for those mainstream Republicans who tack too closely to Beck’s currents. Sarah Palin will hardly be damaged by her appearance as one of Beck’s featured speakers on Saturday, since she is already one of the most polarizing figures in national politics. Her approval rating hovers in the mid-30s.

But other prominent Republicans who hope to maintain political respectability should beware of him. Beck’s demagoguery is corrosive.

Take his latest smear, an ugly attack on President Obama’s religious beliefs. “Most Christians don’t recognize (Obama’s) version of Christianity,” Beck told Fox News interviewer Chris Wallace after the rally.

That sort of rancid dismissal of the religious beliefs of liberal-leaning public figures has been a tactic of the religious right since the 1970s, but I had believed (or had hoped) it was dying away after Republicans overused their holier-than-thou, family-values playbook in the Karl Rove era. A catalog of sexual scandals involving conservative politicians made it clear that their private behavior was no more pure for all their public piousness. The GOP seemed willing to drop the religion card.

But the opportunity to paint President Obama as “the other” has proved too great to pass up. As Islamophobia rises and the rightwing noise machine echoes with its nsistence that Obama is Muslim, GOP luminaries exploit the frenzy for short-term political gain.

In an on-air interview, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell gave the most tepid support possible to Obama’s religious identity. “The president says he’s a Christian. I take him at his word,” McConnell said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”  McConnell surely remembers the criticism Obama endured in 2008 over the sermons of his then-pastor, Jeremiah Wright, who headed a United Church of Christ in Chicago. Yet, he intentionally signaled room for doubt about Obama’s religion.

McConnell and other conservatives play that hand at their peril. As they anticipate a hard-fought presidential campaign in 2012, one of the GOP’s most able contenders is likely to be Mitt Romney, a Mormon. The former Massachusetts governor was handicapped by religious prejudices in 2008, as many Christian conservatives, dismissing Mormonism as a “cult,” refused to support him. Does McConnell mean to stir up those prejudices?

Beck, by the way, has also been subjected to harsh appraisals by Christian fundamentalists. His rally had barely ended before Russell Moore, a dean at Louisville’s Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, denounced it, along with the conservative Christians who attended. “Mormonism and Mammonism are contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ,” Moore wrote.

Beck likely doesn’t care; his bank account (and his ego) will only grow larger as a result of the attention. But he has stirred the winds of religious bigotry, and the GOP may reap the whirlwind.

693 comments Add your comment

Bob

September 1st, 2010
7:45 am

And now we care what Christians think, what a phoney.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
7:49 am

May I recommend that every body watch the movie “A Face in the Crowd”

“This whole country is like my flock of sheep, Red Necks, Crackers, HillBillies, House Fraus, Shut ins, Pea pickers….everybody who’s got to jump when somebody else blows the whistle”

Beck is blowing the whistle, will you jump?

Jack

September 1st, 2010
7:51 am

Beck for president.

JohnnyReb

September 1st, 2010
7:53 am

The regret on all the questioning of Obama is not that it occurs now, but that more Americans didn’t do it before they voted him POTUS.

Bubba

September 1st, 2010
8:01 am

What’s the big deal? You don’t have to be a Christian to support their causes. Michael Medved is a Jew, yet he frequently speaks for pro-Christian causes. Hector Berlioz was an agnostic, yet he so admired Christianity that he composed Le Enfance du Christ.

Peadawg

September 1st, 2010
8:02 am

Romney vs. Obama
a Mormon vs. a Liberal

If that’s who we have to chose from….Yikes!

J. Kase

September 1st, 2010
8:03 am

Let me get this straight, the Southern Baptist says someone not affiliated with their religion isn’t Christian enough. And Beck questions Obama on his Christian-hood. Old news, growing up a Catholic, we were told those not involved in our religion weren’t Christian enough and would not be saved. Now the Catholics break bread with all other religious denominations. Who would have thought religion would be brought into politics?

resno2

September 1st, 2010
8:07 am

‘talented huckster’ = obama

Heaven forbid that a Southern Baptist point out a fault in one who is obviously religiously inferior.

uga_b

September 1st, 2010
8:07 am

Cynthia, did you see the Salon article about his radio career reinvention and shenanigans?

jt

September 1st, 2010
8:08 am

“This whole country is like my flock of sheep, Red Necks, Crackers, HillBillies, House Fraus, Shut ins, Pea pickers….everybody who’s got to jump when somebody else blows the whistle”

People,……………Wear these rascist slanders with pride.

It only shows that the “progressive” left has lost the arguement.

jconservative

September 1st, 2010
8:09 am

Sitting on the stage behind Beck was John Hagee who during the 2008 election denounced the Mormon Church as an unchristian cult.

Bob

September 1st, 2010
8:11 am

We need to ask Tom Coburn what he thinks.

Van Jones

September 1st, 2010
8:11 am

“Glenn Beck is a talented huckster…” Now you have lowered yourself to name calling? Maybe it’s time for a vacation.

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 1st, 2010
8:12 am

Ms. Tucker,

First let me commend you on deviating from your normal copy and paste columns. This piece is actually interesting and thought provoking, not that you care what I think.

However, whether you like it or not, the majority of our population claims to be of Christian faith through one sect or another. The “Religion Card” as you put it, will most certainly play a large role with a large percentage of voters.

The President’s public image with regard to religion, is his own fault. His proclomations are not on the same page as the majority of voters that actually care about religion.

Beck being a Morman may offend some Christians; but, his desire to return the country back to our Christian roots strikes a harmonious chord with most Christians as they don’t like the direction of the current government.

Trying to debunk Beck because of his beliefs has not succeeded in reducing his impact upon the public; he often makes a good point.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
8:12 am

jt

let me give you a hint……it’s from a movie script.

shows the conservatives don’t think

Dave

September 1st, 2010
8:13 am

The correct term is Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or LDS.

quod erat demonstrandum

September 1st, 2010
8:14 am

I see, we are now focusing on the messenger and not the message.

How typical of the far left.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
8:16 am

qed

sometimes the messenger is part of the problem….

missing that is typical of the radical right

Willis

September 1st, 2010
8:16 am

I have written Senators Chambliss and Isaakson to recommend they sponsor a bill in the Senate to declare another national holiday to be named Glen Beck Day. The day would be to honor Beck since he restored honor to our country and also took our country back. In addition, I have written the U.S. Postal Service to ask they issue a postage stamp to honor Glenn Beck – he is right up there with all the other patriots who have been so honored.

Will you also write the Senators expressing your support for a national holiday to honor our beloved Beck?

Peadawg

September 1st, 2010
8:19 am

“sometimes the messenger is part of the problem….”

Ya we saw that last night during during the 18 minute speech.

08fx4

September 1st, 2010
8:20 am

Ummm … Did I not read an article from you a few weeks ago questioning the importance of one’s religion ? I guess that only applies when people question Obama’s religious background.

You cannot deny that this country was founded on Christian principals, whether you are a christian or not does change the foundation of our country.

Randy

September 1st, 2010
8:21 am

He is probably more of a christian than you are columnist. He has more points to talk about than race which is 99.99% of all your columns.

quod erat demonstrandum

September 1st, 2010
8:21 am

Granny, I must strenuously disagree.

Who would have followed a poor struggling lawyer, try Gandhi.
The messenger is nothing more than a delivery platform, listen to what is said – there is an old book, some know of it, it says, by your fruits you will be judged. For those in midtown, it means results mean more than a pretty appearance.

An empty suit is just that, nice to look at, but has nothing to offer. Sorry Mr. Obama.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:21 am

Wow@8:12, You wrote: “Beck’s) desire to return the country back to our Christian roots strikes a harmonious chord with most Christians as they don’t like the direction of the current government.”

What do the nation’s so-called Christian roots have to do with the “direction of the current government”? What does opposition to health care reform have to do with conservative Christianity?

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:22 am

Yes, jconservative@8:09, Interesting bedfellows, huh?

A Realist

September 1st, 2010
8:22 am

Thanks Cynthia for your comments. I guess religion doesn’t matter……unless you run for president, right? I thought when you become president of the United States, I didn’t know you were president of a certain religion.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:23 am

uga-b@8:07, Yes, I read it with fascination, particularly the part where he told a colleague that he was the sun that everybody else had to revolve around.

gmaye

September 1st, 2010
8:23 am

When will you stupid Conservatives do a background check on Beck, I did. This man is no Christian.

Beck, just barely finish high school, spent years on drugs, radio Dj at night clubs. He attracts the undedcated who can not research for themself, this man made 35 million last year off of these trailor trash, by having them believe that goverment is the enemy.

These are the same folks who draw unemployment, Va checks, medicare from the Government.

Honest Broker

September 1st, 2010
8:24 am

They will always let you know of whom they are scared.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
8:25 am

qrd

beck is the messenger and the message.
check the chalkboard

Ghandi’s name is ill used when brought into a conversation on Glenn Beck.

Peter Litwin

September 1st, 2010
8:25 am

Beck is an opportunist, just like flash-in-the-pan liberal opportunists, no more, no less. We have two political camps in this country, and as the old saying goes, “This town ain’t big enough for the both of us.” It’s a persistent struggle between the two camps to win and maintain squatting rights. Leaders and members of neither party really care a hoot about public service and doing what’s best for the people; it’s all about establishing a personal income. Politicians make me sick.

WestSider

September 1st, 2010
8:25 am

Wow…comparing Glenn Beck to Father Coughlin…THAT’S original!

I swear…the DNC must have a magic radio that blasts out talking points to their myrmidons. I guess Cynthia’s has a five or six month lag though because this nonsense started back in the Spring.

This shows the utter and sad desperation that is overcoming the American Left…they have no principles to stand on, only pathetic attempts to smear those who they see as promoting a successful message.

The final throes of this tantrum will be to trot out the ‘racist’ label…oh wait, they already have.

Spellcheck

September 1st, 2010
8:26 am

Surely there is a spellcheck button somewhere on everyone’s computer at the AJC? nsistence? I expect a little better from a Pulitzer prize winner….

“Islamophobia rises and the rightwing noise machine echoes with its nsistence that Obama is Muslim, GOP luminaries exploit the frenzy for short-term political gain.”

joe

September 1st, 2010
8:26 am

Anyone who accepts Jesus as God is a Christian and there are way too many denominations that put their own “spin” on it (whether he is God or the Son of God, etc). So under that definition, Beck is a Christian. However, Southern Baptists and everyone else of faith, shouldn’t be infighting. They should rally together against things that may affect the stability of our country…illegal immigration, socialism, the current administration, etc.

quod erat demonstrandum

September 1st, 2010
8:27 am

gmaye,

Big deal, he has already said that during his radio and TV shows. If you had listened, he would have told you of his trip to the bottom and his uphill crawl back to sanity.

But, I waste my breath on you.

J. Kase

September 1st, 2010
8:27 am

Miss Tucker;

You have confused me today, this whole Beck thing is soooo last weekend and old news. With the president last night pronouncing that the Iraq war is now in the rear view mirror and now he’ll get at the problematic economy, I figured all would be nice now. With no more war the 50 thousand pairs of boots still on the ground wouldn’t have to worry any longer, because now they won’t be in harm’s way. Happy days are here again.

Nunya

September 1st, 2010
8:28 am

CNN ran about 5 minutes of his speech complete with text on the screen. I was transfixed because he rambled on. wandered, and digressed as if someone had shuffled his five word
index cards. He was inane, a complete buffoon. I could envision supporters slinking off through the mob putting on their Grouch noses as they went..

MiltonMan

September 1st, 2010
8:29 am

Yes, the Democrats are such a loving, tolerant group that accepts everyone to their fold just ask John Cusak.

Also, a question for you Liberals/Progressives who always preach about seperation of church & state. How come you bi-polar types have not expressed your “concerns” about taxpayers paying for a muslim cleric to travel to the Middle-East or that taxpayer money has been approved to build the mosque in New York?

barking frog

September 1st, 2010
8:31 am

If you read the Book of Mormon it appears that Joseph
Smith LDS may have been using LSD.

MiltonMan

September 1st, 2010
8:31 am

Bush = Mission Accomplished

Obama = Major Combat operations are over in Iraq

Both moronic statements.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

September 1st, 2010
8:32 am

ctucker puts foot in mouth again. Her Beck obsession is getting funnier by the day!

Metro Coach

September 1st, 2010
8:33 am

“Still, there are dangers for those mainstream Republicans who tack too closely to Beck’s currents.” Kind of like how having the President campaign for Democratic nominees is dangerous, right Cynthia? Has any candidate he actively campaigned for won? You could exchange every “Glenn Beck” for “Barack Obama” and every “Republican” or “conservative” for “Democrat” and “liberal” and write the exact same article about Barack Obama. Of course, being the progressive liberal you are, you live in a constant state of hypocritic irony.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

September 1st, 2010
8:33 am

Back to “real” news of the day. No parade but its’ over in Iraq. LOL :)

RAMADI, Iraq, Sept. 1, 2010 – The war in Iraq is over and the United States is entering the final phase of the U.S. engagement in Iraq, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said here today.

U.S. combat operations have ceased, the secretary said. American forces are still participating in some counterinsurgency operations with the Iraqis, and they are training and advising and assisting Iraqi forces, but the United States is not at war in Iraq.

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 1st, 2010
8:33 am

Calling the “Right” radical is typical of the left. This country was founded by God fearing conservatives , and has been pushed to the left by Godless progressives. Radical= tends to want extreme change from the normal. If any group is radical it’s the liberals as they are trying to change the existing views to their views.

liberal=nonconventional
conservative=conventional

uga_b

September 1st, 2010
8:34 am

“Cocaine is a helluva drug” – Rick James

RIP

quod erat demonstrandum

September 1st, 2010
8:35 am

Question,

If Beck is such a buffoon, why are the lefties and progressive wetting themselves because of him?

Oh, wait, the public (uneducated, unwashed, dumb-dumbs that do not understand how great our leaders are) likes him.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
8:35 am

can you all stop saying this country was founded on christian principles by founding fathers who were christian? please! many of the founding fathers were deists, congregationalist, or constitutionalist which means they either believed in God, creator, or higher being other than themselves. they also despised the power that religion had on the people and how religious zealots used politics to control the masses (remember: the puritans and why they left england). the claims these were all or the majority christian founding fathers is not true… it just makes for good conversation

lmno

September 1st, 2010
8:36 am

No, Glen Beck is not a Christian. Glen Beck is a member of the LDS which teaches that Jesus came to america after being resurected. It also teaches of a whole history of life on this Continent prior to that. It teaches that dark skinned people exist due to people turning from God. They have shifted as far as they can from their controversial teachings like polygamy, in order to achieve main stream acceptance.

But I don’t even believe that Glen Beck is a Mormon. His ideas on faith are those that are taught at Alcoholics Anonymous. Listen to his speech, and then compare what he says to the things your wierd cousin who used to be a drunk and now is just wierd says.

Union

September 1st, 2010
8:36 am

im still waiting for the backup to the title.. “Southern Baptists say Beck is no Christian, either” who said that? as i would imagine that several “southern baptist” attended his rally or watch/listen to beck.. wouldn’t your blog title be more truthful if it were “some southern baptists say beck is no christian?” or at this point.. are we taking any semblance of accuracy and tossing it out the window?

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

September 1st, 2010
8:37 am

Claiming no victory, President Barack Obama formally ended the U.S. combat role in Iraq after seven long years of bloodshed, declaring firmly Tuesday night: “It’s time to turn the page BACKWARD.”

What a leader or a joke?

JesusFreak

September 1st, 2010
8:38 am

Anybody that has studied the least bit of religion knows that Mormons are indeed a cult. About as Christian as a Jehovah’s Witness. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is very simple – admit your sin, believe that Christ died for you, and confess that Jesus is Lord. You don’t need to be part of a religion, religion is man-made. It’s about a relationship with your Creator. Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses have added a whole bunch of man-made mandates, and in fact they tell you that not all of them will be worthy of getting to heaven. What a crock, all that believe in Jesus and proclaim him Lord WILL be with him in heaven, the Bible tells us so. The Mormons have made up their own version of their own bible. The one true Bible is historically and archeologically proven, it is the only book written by so many different authors that over such a large span of time still coincide in their accounts and locations. This life is not forever, but your soul is. Don’t let it go to waste. Who to vote for? Anybody whose name is not Obama, and who will not sink our country into a further pit, doling out taxpayers’ money to greedy, failing banks and Wall Street firms instead of resolving the unemployment situation which has in turn led to countless foreclosures. Obama was a huge mistake, let’s make it the end of an error!

WAR

September 1st, 2010
8:38 am

this country was not founded by God-fearing conservatives. it was founded by men from different walks of life that included libs, dems, conserves, repubs, land owners, slave owners, quakers, christians, deists, rich, poor…

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
8:38 am

Milton Man

1. Because we asked him as a moderate Sufi muslim to act on our behalf.

2. We’ve been doing that since 2003. It’s called “soft power”

Dave

September 1st, 2010
8:38 am

CT continues her vitrol and trying to spread her word in the hopes that someone…ANYONE…will listen and stem the tide that is the Democrats downfall. The speech by Obama last night was nothing more than fluff attempting to salvage a lost administration. Obama, Pelosi and Reid have not served the American people and instead steamrolled everyone in their attempt to implement their socialist agenda. They see November as their Armageddon and it is unavoidable. Obama is a master orator, but he is also a master manipulator. People voted for “Hope and Change”, but are now shaking their heads while muttering “What have I DONE?” It is time to clean house and the tide is rising. Plummenting poll numbers have cause the Libs to distance themselves from Obama. Two years ago, it was “Anyone, but Bush.”. In 2012, it will be “Anyone, but Obama.” Sweet dreams, Libs. You did a great job…..lol.

STONE COLD REALITY

September 1st, 2010
8:39 am

Are you liberals THAT afraid of the ideas Beck espouses? Truth, honor, hope (the good kind) and charity? Beck may be a “huckster” as you say, but his message doesn’t involve wealth redistribution and intrusive govenment control of every facet of our lives. He espouses independence for the individual, as well as the country, and good, core, one would think liberal values….only they are based religious faith. God forbid we should actually live like christians….what a loathsome lot they are, right? The problem with you Cynthia and the liberals is you can’t debate him on his ideas and his principles because they are unassailable. Why don’t you for ONCE provide a clear cut example of his extremism that is such an affront to this country instead of genealized statements. Could it be because you would come off looking like a fool? You and your liberal ilk are the ones that are getting played….go look at the egregious income increases by our esteemed democratic leaders over the LAST YEAR. They have doubled and tripled their wealth OR MORE. Gee, how did that happen? On our backs my freinds….they have been bought and paid for by the uber-wealthy to shackle us all. And you cry for more….fools one and all.

Metro Coach

September 1st, 2010
8:39 am

Union, the next time Cynthia tells the truth about something will be the first.

Jethro

September 1st, 2010
8:39 am

Andy Griffith, Patricia Neal, Walter Matthau. Great movie. Universal for it’s genre. I agree, Face in the Crowd is a must-see movie.

Like Lonesome Rhodes, though, Glenn will find that his schtick goes only so far. At some point, one must match substance with rhetoric. Glenn’s not in the substance business – he’s in the rhetoric business. It’s one thing to snipe at somebody and run away (opinion columnists have mastered this art), but it’s another thing entirely to put tire to pavement. Oftentimes, it is simply enough to put a voice to the grumblings of the disgruntled masses, then move on to the next revival.

But this is America, and while the populace may get together for a couple of hours to collectively vent, ultimately the question must be asked: what are you gonna do about it? Since no one, either Democrat or Republican, seems to want to engage in one-on-one discussion, since no one really seems to want to solve problems (only agitate the pot), I fear we are in for more of the same “WWE Raw Goes Politics.”

O to hear rhetoric not delivered in snippy rhetoric and one-line retorts.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 1st, 2010
8:40 am

Wow that’s, if you want to get technical, there were already “roots” in place when the European Christians landed at Plymouth rock. but you are correct, Christianity is a buzzword in politics, and calling into question the nature or legitimacy of one’s faith can be effective as well, but I would suggest to you there are many non-Christian Americans who care concerned by the use of the “religion card” in either instance. as with anything else, the pundits and power brokers will split hairs and engage in any “he said/she said” debate so long as it distracts voters from the real issue, which is a lack of leadership. and to that end, this is what I find odious about Beck, not that he is a Mormon or half a Christian, but simply that he is a carny-barker and in my opinion not interested in restoring honor to the USA

Blue

September 1st, 2010
8:40 am

The apex of hypocrisy; CT says “If the country survived the pronouncements of Father Charles Coughlin — a Roman Catholic priest whose 1930s-era radio show reverberated with praise for Hitler and noxious attacks on Jews — it can survive Beck’s pseudo-theology.” and then writes “Take his latest smear, an ugly attack on President Obama’s religious beliefs. “Most Christians don’t recognize (Obama’s) version of Christianity”.
I see not the SLIGHTEST bit of difference between your assessment/comments on Beck than the ones he made of Obama. Guess what’s good for the goose is not good for the gander? But when is it ever with you…

John K

September 1st, 2010
8:40 am

I love the “who is and who is not a Christian” infighting on the right. Let them destroy themselves from within.

That’s the problem with religion. Everyone thinks they have the direct line to God, and everyone else is a heretic. They’re putting religion on top of everything, and are just now beginning to see the fruits of their labor.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
8:41 am

rhetorical question: why was the word God changed to creator in one of the most important documents in our country?

Right

September 1st, 2010
8:41 am

CT plays the race card ONCE AGAIN. What else is new? Cynthia, does Mrs. Obamo now of your constant obsession and idolization of her husband. Does she know about the Fat Head poster of the “enlightened one” on your wall. You say Palin has an approval rating “hovering in the 30’s”. What are people judging her on? She holds NO PUBLIC OFFICE!!!!! Now Mr. Egotistical, finger pointing, Obama does hold a public office. Guess where his approval rating is? Hovering in the LOW 30’s!!!

Danny Collins

September 1st, 2010
8:41 am

Glenn, member of a “white supremacist” cult, America refuses to officially apologize for slavery. WWJD? Sin un-repented of leaves you in permanent role of oppressor.

Let’s see what God says:

Matthew 25:31-46 (NIV)
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

44″They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45″He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Here’s a good description of the American Right:
In Matt. 23:23, Jesus, rebuking the Pharisees, says, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.”

Farrakhan got 500,000 at a “men only” there in ‘95. And, unlike Palin/Beck, he acknowledged Jesus!

Notice how the Right treats a democratically elected President worse than they treated Osama Bin Laden. They’d send more troops for a coup than the 6000 Bush sent after Bin Laden.

After Right did whatever it wanted for 8 years, all this phony outrage from the Right should be “hardening” support on Left.

Terrorists on the Right are angry that their “Court appointed” president, who “inherited 911, “stepped in it” on a historical scale.

Now, the “distract by subpoena” Right is about to take over Congress.The same tactic used in the ’90s as terror threat escalated.

Pillsbury

September 1st, 2010
8:42 am

In response to J.Kase, it’s not just the Southern Baptists who believe that Mormons aren’t really Christians. Mormonism holds views which which are anathema to Christian theology. As a result, most Catholic and Protestant theologians don’t really consider Mormons to be Christians. Of course, most of the mainline Protestants and Catholics don’t scream that from the rooftops like the Southern Baptists. I swear that denomination is about as subtle as a nuclear bomb. It is funny though.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:42 am

Right@8:41, Please tell me where race was mentioned in this morning’s post.

gmaye

September 1st, 2010
8:43 am

As a Vet, Thanks Mr. President The world loves you, dispite the bigots, like Beck, Hannity, Rush who wants to divide this nation and never ran for any office or finish any school in their lives

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:44 am

SToneCold@8:39, Can you define “hope (the good kind)” for me?

Union

September 1st, 2010
8:44 am

nowhere ct.. we are still waiting for the link to all the “southern baptist” that made the statement?

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:44 am

WAR@8:38, amen!

WAR

September 1st, 2010
8:44 am

i’m not afraid of glenn beck or any other man for that matter (my gun and bible do not permit it). but i can’t sit back and watch christians high-jack christianity from others. as a christian it burns me when my faith is used as some diving wedge for people who don’t even follow the core principles of Christ. i don’t care if beck believes that God is the center of the universe. he and no one else is allowed to use religion for political gain.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:45 am

Union@8:36, “Southern Baptists say” is accurate. I didn’t write, “All Southern Baptists say”

Boots

September 1st, 2010
8:45 am

The Good Book says something to the effect that “Pride comes before a fall and a haughty spirit before destruction.”

This whole effort by Beck and his “Beckerheads” is an exercise in power and ego. Beck wants to be a player — a “king maker.” However, the messianic mantel is extremely heavy and may push him over the edge — you know that “pride leading to a fall” thing or the “haughty spirit” and destruction prediction.

In a nutshell, Beck needs to get back on his meds because American is not ready for a bi-polar messiah!

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:46 am

Wow@8:33, If your definitions are accurate, the founders would have to be, by your definition, liberals. Nothing they did was conventional.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
8:46 am

thanks CT. got to defend you on this one.

Right

September 1st, 2010
8:46 am

CT,

everyone can read between the lines. It is YOUR schtict. You mean to tell me that if Beck was black you would have written this crap?

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

September 1st, 2010
8:46 am

Is Glen Beck a Christian? I assume he is, he certainly claims he is. Is Obama a Christian? He claims he is as well. If you are going to question someone faith, maybe it is your faith that is truly in question. I, for one am getting very,very tired of the attitude that if you are from the right, or if you are white, southern and Christian, then any and everything you stand for is wrong and it is OK to slander you. Cynthia, I disagree with your political philosophy, and I think it lessens your credibility to go on personal attacks, but I don’t question your religion or call you a female Al race baiting Sharpton, or accuse you of being insincere in what you write. This is the most disappointing diatribe I have read from you in a long time. Why are you so afraid of Glen Beck? He is not running for office, he is no more relevant than………….you. Peace to all

Responsibility

September 1st, 2010
8:47 am

We should not turn our trust over to “Government” but rather to God’s will. God warned Isreal about wanting a king but we wouldn’t listen. Why do we think “Government” is effecient and better at taking care of our lives than ourselves and our local communities? Don’t you get it, keep more of your money and spend in your community helping out people and programs you care about. Quit allowing the “Goverment” to take over healthcare, education, daycare, etc. “Government” is not effecient at managing our money (Social Security), healthcare (Medicare), etc.
Why is the federal government so scared of having a balance budget?

Union

September 1st, 2010
8:48 am

ok..CT if i say “criminals shouldnt be allowed to vote.. am i implying/stating all of the criminals or some of the criminals?

JT

September 1st, 2010
8:48 am

I am a Christian. I don’t know what Obama is and let me tell you why.
1. Speaks at Notre Dame and insists that all religious symblos and covered. ( Why would a Christian insist on that?)
2. Does not attend Church on Easter. (Even people that only marginally call themselves Christian go to church on Easter.)
3. Blows off the national Day of Prayer. (I cannot believe anyone that calls themself a Christian would do that.)
As the saying goes, judge them by their actions, not by their words.
Let me see you rationalize or spin those actions, please.

Joe

September 1st, 2010
8:48 am

Your stupidity is almost laughable Tucker. It’s wrong to question Obama about being a Christian but its ok for you to question Beck. Last I checked Beck hasn’t been taking up for radical Muslim extremists the way Obama has. The Mormon faith believes that Jesus Christ is our savior just as the Southern Baptist faith does. I know you love divisiveness Cindy but this really is a moot point trying to turn folks away from Beck. His crowd was made up of GOD fearing America loving people who believe people like you, Obama, and the dem party are contributing with ruining our country. It’s that simple really but your lack of common sense prevents you from understanding that….

Michael Cline

September 1st, 2010
8:48 am

And that folks is why Seperation of church and state is critical.

Paul

September 1st, 2010
8:48 am

Beck appears to be following in the bootsteps of another great leader, what with his bipolar rants, attempts to rewrite history and fear mongering. I think he’d look dapper in a brown shirt with a swastika. This is a serious nutjob, but fortunately he’s a largely impotent one. Anyway, the country needs to grow up and move on.

Michael Cline

September 1st, 2010
8:48 am

Native American

September 1st, 2010
8:49 am

I’m still not understanding what the current administration is doing that is un-christian. That they want to take care of the least of us? That they want to control Wall Street?

The constitution doesn’t say anywhere that this country would be a christian country. It just talks about God. The same God that created all of us – jew, christian and muslim.

The constitution also doesn’t say that this country has to be a capitalist society. We could be socialist too.

Oh, and the mosque hear ground zero…. I guess it’s like the christians killing my people to convert them to christianity and then building a church on the same grounds.

flagger

September 1st, 2010
8:49 am

and then we have the presidents rev. wrong and his god damn america not god bless
america, which is it for u cynthia dear?

blackbird13

September 1st, 2010
8:49 am

Who gives a damn who is a Christian and who is not, except for stupid Christians who have been scammed into supporting the right’s “greed is good” philosophy(the opposite of Christianity) for nearly 30 years now? And Glenn Beck? That buffoon? Somebody made great reference to “A Face in the Crowd”, and that is a quite appropriate comparison, given that it is about an uneducated huckster roping in the boobs.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
8:50 am

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:50 am

Native American@8:49, You’re applying h logic, rational thought and a dose of actual American history. Thanks for that

BethR

September 1st, 2010
8:51 am

Why is Beck’s commitment to Christianity in question? Why isn’t Al Sharpton’s faith being questioned? His rants this weekend were far more caustic and inflammatory and cruel than Beck, who actually wasn’t.

Sarah Palin

September 1st, 2010
8:51 am

I can see November from my house!

Right

September 1st, 2010
8:51 am

Kam Fong,

CT is upset with Beck because he used the same area MLK’s speech was made to stand on his soapbox. She simply does not think it is ok for a white conservative to exercise his freedom of speech.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:51 am

Joe, It’s wrong for anyone to question anyone else’s religious beliefs. None of us is God.

Joe

September 1st, 2010
8:51 am

Amen CT – Jesus Himself was the ultimate liberal. He hung with all manner of criminals (and was executed as one), believing in helping others above all else, and overturning all societal convention in doing so.

Andrew

September 1st, 2010
8:51 am

Ms. Tucker:

“Take his latest smear, an ugly attack on President Obama’s religious beliefs. “Most Christians don’t recognize (Obama’s) version of Christianity,” Beck told Fox News interviewer Chris Wallace after the rally.”

Look who’s parsing now? The full context of Beck’s statement addressed “liberation theology” as professed and pontificated by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. It is neither ugly nor a smear to state what is true: most Christians do not subscribe to black liberation theology. Do you disagree?

And as for your argument with respect to Obama as “the other”, one must remember that it was Obama and his supporters who consistently positioned and position Obama as a different kind of leader. As such, he must assume just as much responsibility for the positive and negative ramifications of “the other” branding.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
8:52 am

funny how we christians want our politics to be conservative. our leaders to be conservative. because we think the country was founded on conservative principles only. so i ask–my fellow christians: the Christ that you believe in–is he liberal or conservative? would he condone your negative attitude toward the president? would he want you to vote republican because he/she is not a democrat? would he support a WAR in iraq and afghan? help me understand WWJD?

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:52 am

JT@8:48, Most of your “facts” are wrong. And you have no business questioning anyone else’s religious beliefs.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
8:53 am

JT

April 4, 2010 Easter Sunday
Allen Chapel AME Church

Guess who was there?

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:53 am

Starring Ka Fong@8:46, I don’t think you read my post. If you did, you certainly missed the point of it.

Mark in mid-town

September 1st, 2010
8:53 am

Cynthia Tucker writes: “Take his latest smear, an ugly attack on President Obama’s religious beliefs. “Most Christians don’t recognize (Obama’s) version of Christianity,” Beck told Fox News interviewer Chris Wallace after the rally.”

In the same interview, didn’t Beck also say that Most Christians don’t consider Beck a Christian either becaue he’s a Morman?

How about some context Ms. Tucker?

Pennsylvanian

September 1st, 2010
8:54 am

Glenn Beck? GLENN BECK??? You write about Glenn Beck, a big mouth entertainer, but nothing about the speech by President Obama last night? Can’t find anything good to say about that pathetic speech?

Ben

September 1st, 2010
8:55 am

Tax the churches I say.

STONE COLD REALITY

September 1st, 2010
8:56 am

Hope – the good kind- is where you have a means to determine your own destiney without the confinements or restrictions of other forces…say like the government. Hope is not healthcare paid for by my neighbor, it is not oppresive taxes on energy that make me unable to heat and illuminate my home so that Progressive/Green energy zealots, the government bureaucrats and energy companies can further line their wallers with taxpayers money….I don’t know who the heck that is supposed to help because I am fairly certain that is going to hit our lower income families especially hard. Hope and Change indeed.
I could go on and on but I have to go back to work to pay for more Hope.

Fools one and all.

TommyJack

September 1st, 2010
8:57 am

HELL HATH FROZEN OVER!!! For the first time EVER, I agree with CT. Beck is a snake oil salesman.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
8:57 am

responsibility
are you talking about the same will of God that people used to enslave Africans? the same will of God that people used to move Native Americans to reservations? or are you talking about the same will of God that people use along with the horses of calumny? i bet your “will of God” is not God’s will at all.

Ela

September 1st, 2010
8:57 am

Cynthia–You are an educated woman but you need to educate yourself about Mormons. Read about the history-the truth not the false rumors-of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) and you will see that Jesus Christ is the head of the church. That qualifies members of that church as Christians.

Union

September 1st, 2010
8:58 am

creflo dollar.. money changers ministry.. from your hand to his.. :)

barking frog

September 1st, 2010
8:59 am

CT 8:46 the definition of liberal destroys the term
conservative as applied to right wing republicans
as all want change. possibly they might be
called retroliberals, but not so much as because
the past is not remembered as it was but as
they wish it had been.

Lawrence

September 1st, 2010
9:01 am

Michael..

I think the word you are looking for is “separation”.

Andrew

September 1st, 2010
9:01 am

@Pennsylvanian at 8:54 –

I was wondering the same thing.

He opposed the war. He opposed the surge. He voted to cut of funding to the troops he said he supported. He leveraged his votes against Hillary Clinton’s to win the nomination and then he has the audacity and the ever-present narcissistic sense to assume zero responsibility for his votes and give zero credit for those who actually exercised leadership.

He had a chance last night to be presidential, instead he just divided the nation further. Listen to his other speeches. He’s not acting like President of the U.S. — he’s acting like his only job is chairman of the Democrat Party. He is a divider, not a unifier. Disgusting display. Petty. Political.

Travis

September 1st, 2010
9:02 am

I’m Mormon, and I believe in Jesus Christ. He’s my savior and king.

Best

Jason

September 1st, 2010
9:02 am

who gives a flip what religion Beck and Obama follow? If Obama announced he was a Muslim then most of you religious bigots would not have voted for him. What does that say about YOU and YOUR RESPECT and tolerance for other religions? Just because it would be a popular reaction (to not vote for him if he was Muslim) doesn’t make it right. If you base your character analysis of a person on whether they’re Christian or not then you are the SHEEP anyway. People with incredible leadership ability and amazingly deep character come in all forms; Christian, Muslim, Mormon, agnostic, atheist, etc. If you’re measuring stick is different for all of these then you’re a bigot, simple.

and BTW – America was founded by Masons on Masonic principles. Masons only require that you do believe in a God or higher authority. That’s why our money and Washington D.C. is soaked in Masonic symbols. Notice how everyone always says America was founded on Christian principles but no one can point to a mention of Jesus Christ by name in any of the founding documents? Why? Because the country was founded by Masons with principles that are shared by all religions.

How ’bout them apples?

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:02 am

“That sort of rancid dismissal of the religious beliefs of liberal-leaning public figures has been a tactic of the religious right since the 1970s, but I had believed (or had hoped) it was dying away after Republicans overused their holier-than-thou, family-values playbook in the Karl Rove era.”

So you condemn someone for not recognizing Obama’s religion in an article attacking Beck’s religion? You should add hypocrite to your resume, right next to crappy journalist.

PappyHappy

September 1st, 2010
9:03 am

Beck is a talk show host with distinct opinions. Folks can choose to listen, or not listen to him. For the same preachers who are questioning his religion, where is their voice on: 1) the demise of public education; 2) the high unemployment rate — and what they are doing about it; 3) high teenage pregnancy rate — and what they are doing about it; 4) the increasing homeless numbers; and a biggie — 5) the decline of those attending church in the USA????

Sounds like we have some preachers with a lot of time on their hands!

barking frog

September 1st, 2010
9:03 am

Ben

September 1st, 2010
8:55 am

Tax the churches I say
————————————
Amend the Constitution and you can.

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:03 am

@ jason..

i saw those movies.. good stuff..

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:04 am

speaking of sheep…

Dollar is known for his controversial teachings of Prosperity theology. He has been criticized for his lavish lifestyle as he owns two Rolls-Royces, a private jet, a million dollar home in Atlanta, and a 2.5 million dollar home in Manhattan. Dollar has refused to disclose his salary and Creflo Dollar Ministries received a grade of “F” for financial transparency by the organization MinistryWatch.

gmaye

September 1st, 2010
9:05 am

Funny, how we never questioned Bush, faith, Oh, I forgot he was white.

Glen Beck draws 89,000, at the rally, KKK had over 1 million people at one of their rally back in the 1940’s some thing never change.

Cedric

September 1st, 2010
9:06 am

Left or right commentators aren’t elected. We turn off their blabbing when we want if their beliefs or views are unacceptable to us, Beck included. His perspectives really don’t count. It’s a different matter with elected or appointed public officials and worker WHO WE PAY to represent us. That Beck is of any faith is unimportant and not worthy of discussion. At least the Mormons didn’t attack the WTC on 9/11.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:06 am

ctucker=hypocrite@9:02, Did you read the post? If you did, you didn’t comprehend what you were reading. You entirely missed the point.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:07 am

Ela@8:57, you know to read the post. Read before ranting. Think about what I wrote. Try to comprehend its meaning.

Sam the Sham

September 1st, 2010
9:07 am

Let me wipe the venom off of my computer. Jeez Cynthia.

casual observer

September 1st, 2010
9:08 am

Guess nothing on the Palin wire! Now it’s Glen Beck? Read my lips….Hundreds and Hundreds of thousands of people. Get over it.

The producers aka Tax payers , people with values, family people have finally mobilized and it frightens the crap out of people like Cynthia Tucker and Al Sharpton.

This is so fun to watch!

STONE COLD REALITY

September 1st, 2010
9:08 am

BTW….I see Glenn Beck for what he is…an entertainer. I would not vote for him or Palin….we already have a huckster in the White House and don’t need to compound the mistake by electing someone else who can’t manage a huge corporation (which is what the US is). Follow Becks call to get closer to God, your family, your community. YOU should help your fellow man….not the government. Washington and all who reside, Democrat and Republican alike, are denizens of a vipers nest and the sooner we defang them of their power the sooner, we all will have HOPE.

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:09 am

ctucker -

how can people “comprehend” the meaning of something as ambiguous as your broad brush statement that you title your blog with?

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

September 1st, 2010
9:09 am

An estimated 87,000 attend Glen Beck’s rally in D.C.; a volcano erupts after four centuries of inactivity and Paris Hilton’s new mug shot. Betty Nguyen has these stories and more on this week’s episode of “The Feed.”

PROOF CBS can’t count. Try 300,000 plus!

Liberal chaning to conservative

September 1st, 2010
9:09 am

Can’t you write anything that has merit? All your articles are about hate. You have not written one accurate article that debates the merits of an issue.

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 1st, 2010
9:10 am

CT, if you think opposition to the new healthcare bill is the only problem that conservative Christians have with the current leadership, you are confused.
Clearly conservative Christians are not socialists in their ideals, this current leadership certainly is socialist/ marxist, bordering on communistic ideals. Statements supporting the building of a mosque near the world trade center. Passing a stimulus that doesn’t correct the mistakes of the previous administrations. Putting socially liberal justices on the supream court. The mishandled oil spill in the gulf.
The lack of respect shown to the American public with regard to their opinion about these things listed above.

Trying to say that Christians don’t support the President solely because of healthcare is reaching. The current leadership has proceeded with their own agenda because they think they know best. In november there will be a reckoning.

Conservative Christians are just like any other conservative group; they like fiscal responsibility, less government, secure borders, and a federal gov’t that serves the people, not one that serves their own political aspirations.

In response I would say that conservative Christian values are at the heart of our founding fathers ideals for this country. Clearly this current leadership doesn’t espouse the same views. Conservative Christians are not happy with this trend and will vote accordingly.

Steve

September 1st, 2010
9:10 am

The spokesman for the Southern Baptists did not say that Beck was not “Christian enough.” Please, folks, before you bash anyone, Christian or Mormon or other, do some research on your own. Check the beliefs of Mormonism for yourself and compare it to fundamental Christian beliefs (fundamental, meaning basic tenets of the Christian faith, not someone’s definition of conservatism.) The two are not approaching as equal faiths. That is what the SBC spokesman was saying. Not saying Mormons are not good, decent people; however, their faith is not the Christian faith, despite the use of “Jesus Christ” in their updated name. As far as the Founding Fathers’ faith, if you read some history about those guys, you will praise God that this country was established and has become as great as it has, despite their personal, spiritual, and political shortcomings and failures.

Straight Talk

September 1st, 2010
9:10 am

Cynthia, your racism masquerading as journalism never ceases to amaze us. God forbid anyone should have the audacity to call out our President for his hypocritical behavior…because then folks like you will then call them hypocrites. Try as your might with your pen to make readers feel guilty for violating your definition of political correctness no one much cares what you think anymore. In a word every over the top assertion you make [like the ones about Glenn Beck in this column] simply make your views [and your newspaper] even more irrelevant. Beck and many of us agree with Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr….it is the content of one’s character not the color of their skin that is important. The problems a lot of folks have with you…and with the President…is your character. Period.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

September 1st, 2010
9:10 am

With the U.S. Department of Justice’s approval, Georgia now has one of the toughest voter verification and ID systems in the country.

Thank God!

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:10 am

Um yes I read your post Cynthia Tucker. And yes you are a hypocrite because you are attacking someone for doing the exact same thing you are doing in this article (i.e. You are attacking Beck for saying Christian’s don’t recognize Obama’s religion as Christian while at the same time not recognizing Beck’s religion as Christian).

Don’t try to hide what you’re actually doing here.

Beck's a First Century Christian

September 1st, 2010
9:11 am

Glenn Beck’s theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

Those who would denigrate Glenn Beck’s religion, usually have an ulterior motive. 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.

Cynthia's Alter Ego

September 1st, 2010
9:11 am

Funny how I have denounced Southern Baptist in the past as being racist, bigoted, etc. but now they have something to say against someone I disagree with they are just fine. I suppose the old adage of “An enemy of an enemy is a friend” really holds true for me.

Boots

September 1st, 2010
9:11 am

Frankly, I don’t give a rat’s patootey what a politician’s religious beliefs are, or even if they have any religious beliefs.

That’s a personal matter.

I am, however, intensely interested in whether they are emotionally stable, intelligent and have good judgement.

This criterior immediately excludes Beck, Palin, Gingrich and an array of others who long to be “players” on the political stage.

For example, Bush was a neat guy — someone I’d really enjoy having a beer with and talking football — but he was a mental light weight and didn’t exercise good judgement by getting involved in this “tar-baby” of a war in Iraq.

Look to your religious leaders for spiritual guidance, not your politicians. That’s not what we hire them to do.

Avenger

September 1st, 2010
9:12 am

right. “You mean to tell me that if Beck was black you would have written this crap?”. Do you people have to make every thing about race. Right – you are just wrong – change your name.

Sara

September 1st, 2010
9:12 am

The single biggest problem with this country is the Christians … and the fact that none of them actually know what being a Christian means anymore. Christianity is walking the walk, not talking the talk. Christianity is not about getting rich, but enriching the lives and souls of your fellow men. Christianity is not being full of hate, but forgiving and accepting. Christianity isn’t clinging to Leviticus but embracing the Sermon on the Mount.

If Christians would spend their time making sure they themselves are living embodiments of the teachings of Christ, instead of running around making sure everyone else is “living right,” perhaps they’d find the restored honor they are seeking.

Personal Responsibility

September 1st, 2010
9:13 am

Straight talk @ 9:10 has just hit the nail on the head.

BIGDICKCHENEY

September 1st, 2010
9:13 am

Obama knows I won that freaking war while hiding in my man sized safe with a heart stimulator shoved up my rectum!

Grandpa Right

September 1st, 2010
9:13 am

Beck does in fact create a conflict. His past is checkered, and, as a devout, Reformed Christian I believe that the tenets of Mormonism are contrary to biblical truth and are not reflective of true Christianity.

However, his message is dead on. Our government has become intrusive, and our current CIC does in fact want to transform not only our government but our American way of life. Beck recognizes that and, as I do, wants to see this transformation stopped and its impacts up until now reversed.

CT and her disciples cannot intellectually refute Beck’s fundamental message, so they attack the messenger. For those who do not understand the redemptive qualities of Christ, they find that to usually be an easy strategy, for “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” We are all hypocrites, it is just a matter of degree. When I take a stand for Judeo-Christian values in our culture and our government, you can dig deep enough and find rank hypocrisy in my life. I am NOT a saint, but a forgiven sinner, in perpetual need of additional forgiveness.

But this is the part that the liberals and non-Christians just don’t get. I don’t want a theocracy, I just want my world view represented in government. If my position on cultural issues is rooted in my biblical faith, it does not mean that I cannot have my views represented. And the core of my faith- salvation through Jesus Christ- is a personal matter. I can’t force you to accept him- as a matter of fact I believe that He chooses us, not vice versa- I can only hope that you do, for your sake. I don’t want my worst enemy to miss out on salvation.

I believe that Mormonism is a cult, not a true religion, but that is a matter of the heart, not the public square. The Mormons share my cultural values, so I will find much in common with them. Since I believe in redemption, Beck’s past doesn’t stop me from agreeing with his message, and I don’t see him continuing to live the way he did in the past while he delivers that message. If his past as a drug using, alcoholic DJ inherently made him ineligible to speak for what many believe is good and right, then OBama should be officially declared ineligible for the Presidency because of his early childhood exposure to Islam; neither of those positions is fair.

I do not accept Mormonism as true Christianity, so I pray for the hearts of the Mormons; the same can be said about my Jewish friends, and Muslims and Hindus as well. But I find myself as an ally of many Mormons and Jews in political endeavors because we grasp the same cultural values, which are independent of our beliefs about the path to eternal salvation. As a matter of fact, I see Mitt Romney as our best candidate to represent the right in the White House at this point in the process, despite my private prayers for his soul.

Two different issues.

So I don’t have to reject Beck when I agree with his message. And Christians do not seek a theocracy- the whole concept is silly actually.

Our hypocricy is simply an easier mark than our message.

aj

September 1st, 2010
9:14 am

im sure that cynthia really practices what she preaches. i mean after all, let gays get married in church etc. im sure jesus christ would have tolerated that.

Cryingeyes

September 1st, 2010
9:15 am

Nothing beats playing the “take a drink every time Beck cries” game. You’ll be sh*t faced before the show is half over. Seriously, Beck, take your meds.

ken R

September 1st, 2010
9:15 am

Hey guys, don’t be so upset, Tucker is just pissed because Sharpton only had 3,000 at his rally and Beck had 300,000

When all you can do it tear people down what does that say about you? Like CT says, stop and comprehend what you just read.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

September 1st, 2010
9:15 am

Why are we running from a terrorist State?

WASHINGTON, Aug. 30, 2010 – Iraqi security forces today arrested two suspected al-Qaida in Iraq criminal associates during joint security operations conducted in east Mosul, Iraq.

Iraqi forces and U.S. advisors searched several buildings for a suspected al-Qaida in Iraq leader allegedly responsible for extorting money from oil-related contractors and oil transportation workers in order to fund terrorist operations against Iraq’s security forces and the Iraqi public.

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:16 am

religion and talking about how bad white people are.. two good ways to get people to read your blog..

jlw

September 1st, 2010
9:16 am

Most of our country’s founding fathers were “Home Brewers”. They did not need a law to restrict alcohol sales on Sunday. Sounds like good christians to me.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:16 am

aj@9:14, actually, I believe Jesus Christ would have “tolerated” gay marriage. He never mentioned homosexuality

lovelyliz

September 1st, 2010
9:16 am

Beck likely doesn’t care; his bank account (and his ego) will only grow larger as a result of the attention.
—————————-
Wasn’t that the whole point?????????????

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
9:17 am

aj

i believe Jesus would have had the wedding shower and officiated at the ceremony….

he always loved love

Call it like it is

September 1st, 2010
9:17 am

Hmmmm……Cynthia why don’t you just come out and say what your real issue is. Is it Beck or is it the fact that he is a white guy that got s bunch of other white people at the mall this past weekend for a rally? You and your ilk were not able to come up with any sound bites, pictures or anything else showing these fine people doing anything wrong, just getting together to have an American pep rally.

I find it funny that you never comment on Al Sharpton or his little snide comments. “Those people are marching on our day!”

Don’t get me wrong, I am no huge fan of Beck, but him and his fans said nothing wrong and did nothing wrong this weekend.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

85000

get real

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

ctucker=hypocrite@9:10am, You either didn’t read the part I wrote about the religious prejudice that Mitt Romney encountered because he was a Mormon, or you couldn’t comprehend what you read.

mini mi-mi

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

I Jesus has a problem with gay marriage, I wonder what he thinks about pork and shellfish eaters participating in matrimony?

teamguy

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

I grew up in middle Georgia, family was poor. Most of the folks we knew thought Herman Talmadge was God, and when they died they’d go to Atlanta. I personally do not care whether this President, or any President, is even religious. I can go to a local church to find a pastor. .I need someone to get this economy going so business people will have enough money to hire people, buy stuff, etc. If I want to hear sermons, I’ll play some old Peter Marshall tapes.

Blue

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

“Joe, It’s wrong for anyone to question anyone else’s religious beliefs. None of us is God.”…”(this country) can survive Beck’s pseudo-theology.”
Too easy to prove your hypocrisy. Go ahead…tell us that saying “Beck’s pseudo-theology” is not “questioning anyone else’s religious beliefs”.

Wow, that's Pulitzer material

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

Our founding fathers were in fact liberal, only in the sense that they wanted a change from the exsiting form of gov’t oppression. Nice try though.

Nazan Yar

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

Ms. Tucker, I’m pretty impressed you read your comments.

Your comment at 8:51 states “It’s wrong for anyone to question anyone else’s religious beliefs.” I’m not sure I understand the authority behind this statement. If one believes that his/her belief dictates that he/she should question others’ religious beliefs, aren’t you by definition questioning his/her religious beliefs by your statement?

I believe one of society’s great obstacles is the gist behind your statement, that all beliefs are personal and acceptable, if I am understanding your point correctly. What we all must discern is whether or not it is possible that there is one truth about our understanding of the universe. We can either decide there is one truth or decide there are many truths (in other words no truth).

If there is one truth, we must seek it and must question ours and everyone’s beliefs – sharpen ourselves and others. If there are many truths, there are no truths. If there are no truths, we also must question others’ beliefs, because all beliefs are by definition invalid. These are the only two options. Your statement is therefore logically inconsistent.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
9:19 am

Andrew September 1st, 2010
8:51 am

“Look who’s parsing now? The full context of Beck’s statement addressed “liberation theology” as professed and pontificated by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. It is neither ugly nor a smear to state what is true: most Christians do not subscribe to black liberation theology”

Look who’s parsing? Conservative media has parsed Jeremiah Wright’s sermon just to paint a negative picture of what the man REALLY said! Here’s the transcript of the key part or the sermon…..

“Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontus Pilot – Pontius Pilate – the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from east to west. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonised Kenya, Guana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian decent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese decent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African decent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them in slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing “God Bless America.” No, no, no. Not “God Bless America”; God Damn America! That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating her citizens as less than human. God Damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!
The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African decent. Think about this, think about this. For every 1 Oprah, a billionaire, you got five million Blacks who are out of work. For every 1 Colin Powell, a millionaire, you got ten million Blacks who cannot read. For every 1 “Condeskeeza” Rice, you got one million in prison. For every 1 Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters with his cat-blazing hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women; God has this way of bringing you short when you get too big for your cat-blazing britches. For every 1 Tiger Woods, we got ten thousand Black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African decent. But I’m fitting to help you one last time – turn to your neighbour and say “he’s fitting to help us one last time.” Turn back and say “Forgive him for the ‘God Damn’, that’s in the Bible Lord.” Blessings and cursing is in the Bible, it’s in the Bible. But I’m fitting to help you one last time. Let me tell you something.
Where governments fail, God never fails.”

STONE COLD REALITY

September 1st, 2010
9:19 am

CT what is your definition of Hope….collective salvation?? Reparations? Being a worker bee for the State??? You and your kind are the biggest rubes of them all….you actually beleive that these underpaid politicians are going to Washington to work for and bring justice to “the people”. You can’t live in Washington on what they make!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!! They are on the take, ALL OF THEM and they are selling themselves to the highest bidder, the Democrats just lie and say they are trying to help the little man….enlighten me, how are things getting better for the little man? The little man is either out of work, getting hit with higher taxes, higher costs on goods and services due to higher taxes on corporation (like healthcare costs!!) and losing his house because he can’t get a loan now. THANKS FOR HELPING OUT THE LITTLE GUY DEMS!!! At least with the Republicans you know they’re working for business….the Dems pat you on the back and take your wallet.

Fools one and all.

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:19 am

Wow, you say Jesus Christ would have “tolerated” gay marriage????? You are absolutely out of touch with being a Christian. I am praying for people like you.

BIGDICKCHENEY

September 1st, 2010
9:19 am

I never ran from military service. My ass was just too sore to go.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:19 am

Union@9:09, This may be an unrealistic expectation, but I expect people to read the entire post before they rant about it.

Troglodyke

September 1st, 2010
9:19 am

his desire to return the country back to our Christian roots strikes a harmonious chord with most Christians as they don’t like the direction of the current government.

I don’t have a problem with people being upset about the state of the country, even if their fears are sometimes misguided (and sometimes correct). I don’t know how the current administration is moving us away from Christianity, exactly. I think the myriad Republican scandals of the last few years are very telling, and have nothing to do with this administration.

The problem I have with Beck is that America is NOT a “Christian country.” What does it mean to “get back to our Xtian roots?”

This country is a secular republic with a population of diverse people of diverse faiths (and no faith). That “Christianity” is the most checked box on the form by our citizens does not make America a “Christian country.”

Anytime politicians or hucksters cry that we need to get back to our “Christian roots,” I know they have not read the Constitution, and that scares me.

If the majority of Republican Xtians weren’t such hypocritical, holier-than-thou arseholes, I probably wouldn’t mind as much.

Al Czervik

September 1st, 2010
9:20 am

Give the little girl a break….she can’t write anything intelligent to have others read her blog so she goes for the shock factor. Gotta do something to keep herself employed.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:20 am

ctucker=hypocrite@9:19 am, Have you actually read the New Testament for yourself?

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:20 am

im agnostic.. so.. i cannot comment too much.. but didnt god say something about homosexuality.. and if i remember the bible correctly.. jesus taught the teachings of his father.. so..

Call it like it is

September 1st, 2010
9:21 am

What??????????????

aj@9:14, actually, I believe Jesus Christ would have “tolerated” gay marriage. He never mentioned homosexuality.

So Cynthis what does Leviticus 18:22 mean too you?

Georgian

September 1st, 2010
9:21 am

Cynthia,

I find the hypocrisy of your blog to be very stunning. Just days ago you title one about Barack Hussein Obama, and it not being our business if he is Muslim. Then you come back today and attack Glenn Beck for promoting Christianity. Beck did not promote a specific type of Christianity. He promoted a return to Christian values, something America needs to desperately get back to. Im tired of liberals bashing the notion that the founders did not consider a devotion to Godly principles when this country was born.

However, you Ms. Tucker, would find fault with anything Mr. Beck said. You would, however, praise and exault the words and actions of your precious Muslim President, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. It wouldnt matter one bit what he stood for, you would still support him for one reason…

Please spare us the bull Ms. Tucker, its rotten by now.

Drew

September 1st, 2010
9:21 am

Glenn Becks form of religion is not even considered main-stream Christianity. He is more of a charlaton, a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:22 am

ms. tucker.. i do read your whole post before commenting.. but then thats me.. and from what i remember from literary class.. never assume anything about your readers?

Un-real

September 1st, 2010
9:22 am

I can’t understand why so much attention and discussions are around Beck and Palin. They are always in the news and here we are wasting time this morning discussing this idiot who deep down only cares about himself and his pockets.

Don’t get me wrong, I am all for getting yours through hardwork and determination, but what Beck is doing is playing on people’s fears. The demographics of this country is changing, get used to it!!!

There are just some hateful people out there and the hate has risen 100% since President Obama has come in to office. Too bad, deal with it… The country is moving in a positive direction..

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:22 am

Georgian@9:21, Many of my readers are having trouble reading today. Please read the entire post. If you can’t find your reading glasses, get someone to read it to you.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:23 am

teamguy
Amen to that brother!

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:23 am

Call it like it is@9:21, Jesus Christ wasn’t born at the time that Leviticus refers to. Christ came to bring a New Covenant. Remember that part?

Cryingeyes

September 1st, 2010
9:23 am

Give Beck a break….he can’t say anything intelligent to have others watch his show so he goes for the shock factor. Gotta do something to keep himself employed. Wow that does so describe schizo Beck!

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:24 am

Ok so how do you defend the title of your article? How do you defend this statement:

“That sort of rancid dismissal of the religious beliefs of liberal-leaning public figures…”

You wrote an article which is a rancid dismissal of someone’s religious beliefs.

And yes I read the New Testament frequently, do you? Who are you to speak of what Jesus Christ would tolerate?

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
9:24 am

HDB

Thanks for the post…..Rev Wright was right.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:24 am

ctucker=hypocrite, I have the same right to express what I believe C/hrist would tolerate as you do

Sarah H. Lewis

September 1st, 2010
9:25 am

Hey Cynthia,
Who cares what Beck’s religious affiliations are? The man is a conservative with philosophy built on principle. He is good to the core and not an evil, bribing, Chicago style politician … which is what we are stuck with for the time being.

Sundawg

September 1st, 2010
9:26 am

Articles like this just shows that the socialists left are getting concerned.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:26 am

ctucker=hypocrite@9:24, I take it you didn’t get to the part about Mitt Romney and the “religious bigotry” to which he was subjected? Or you saw that part but couldn’t comprehend its meaning?

Georgian

September 1st, 2010
9:27 am

I supported Mitt Romney in the beginning of the last election. My change in opinion did not come from him being Mormon but from learning of issues he had varying opinions on himself. My support went elsewhere when I learned the facts. Romney being Mormon had nothing to do with it, and I feel the liberal media was responsible for painting the picture that Repubs were not willing to accept him for that reason. I believe Repubs just found candidates they found more appealing. I supported Mike Huckabee myself and found his plan and view for our country to be excellent.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:27 am

jesus is probably the ultimate socialist! he took fishes and bread from another person and redistributed them to thousands; he did this at two different events. both times more than enough was gathered as left-overs. or maybe he is a conservative by eating and drinking with family and friends. or maybe a lib because he did ask the disciples to feed his sheep. or maybe a humanitarian who didn’t want the woman at the well to be stoned. or maybe a….

Call it like it is

September 1st, 2010
9:27 am

Call it like it is@9:21, Jesus Christ wasn’t born at the time that Leviticus refers to. Christ came to bring a New Covenant. Remember that part?

Okay, just want to make sure I read you right here. You are telling us that Jesus would be okay with homosexuality. Yes or No will be fine.

shoe-other_foot

September 1st, 2010
9:27 am

In the first couple of paragraphs, Tucker lumps Beck in with an historical “assortment of eccentrics” with “bizarre sentiments,” and calls Beck’s beliefs “pseudo-theology”

If Tucker is talking only about Beck’s oratory, fine, but her choice of words was broader than that.

Her own words seem rooted in the same “dismissal of religious beliefs” she says “has been a tactic of the religious right since the 1970s”

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:27 am

Cynthia, you are the hypocrite here, you are the one that wrote this article. Don’t try to hide behind people’s prejudice to Mitt Romney’s religion and say “they’re the one’s saying it, not me”. You are the one that wrote this article, take ownership of what you’re saying.

Art

September 1st, 2010
9:28 am

I had an opportunity to briefly speak to Mr Beck last year and found him to be warm and engaging. He won me over in that after telling him I was from Georgia, he said he was a big Dawg fan. I also should mention that I ran into a gentleman from Alabama after the meeting and we struck up a conversation about what we had just heard. When I asked what he thought of Beck, he stated: I like him alot. When I told him I was from Alabama, he said he was a huge Tide fan. I have since wondered how many school mascots are included in his vast vocabulary.

Boots

September 1st, 2010
9:28 am

Lincoln was not a church member and didn’t go to church, not that anyone cares.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:28 am

for all you people who hate gays and think gay marriage is icky: you do know that jesus only around twelve guys and never dated or had children… i’m just saying…

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:28 am

Georgian@9:27, Sadie Fields and a few other outspoken conservative Christians made it explicit that they would not support Romney because he was Mormon. The “liberal media” merely quoted Ms. Fields and her fellow travellers.

Russ

September 1st, 2010
9:28 am

Some one needs to ask Obama what does a Christian believe, and how did he become a Christian?

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:29 am

everyone here knows that reagan didn’t attend church regularly either… just saying…

paulfromatlanta

September 1st, 2010
9:29 am

I don’t like Glenn Beck. I don’t support Glenn Beck. But this has to be one of the scummiest pieces by a “journalist” the AJC has ever published.

The Title implies the President isn’t a Christian. Then Tucker jumps immediately to a Hitler/anti-Semitism analogy. This is just really, really low class and the AJC should be ashamed.

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:30 am

ctucker=hypocrite@9:27, I’m owning every word. are you owning your inability to comprehend?

Danny Collins

September 1st, 2010
9:30 am

This is why we attack Glenn “Charles Manson” Beck: Sedition
Sedition is a term of law which refers to overt conduct, such as speech and organization (Tea Party, Beck giving out the home addresses of Democrats, and Limbaugh calling an Administration who won by 8 mil votes, a “regime,” intimating, “regime change”), that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Typically, sedition is considered a subversive act, and the overt acts that may be prosecutable under sedition laws vary from one legal code to another. Where the history of these legal codes has been traced, there is also a record of the change in the definition of the elements constituting sedition at certain points in history. This overview has served to develop a sociological definition of sedition as well, within the study of state persecution.

The difference between sedition and treason consists primarily in the subjective ultimate object of the violation to the public peace. Sedition does not consist of levying war against a government nor of adhering to its enemies, giving enemies aid, and giving enemies comfort. Nor does it consist, in most representative democracies, of peaceful protest against a government, nor of attempting to change the government by democratic means (such as direct democracy or constitutional convention).

Sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. (Tea party)Treason is the violation of allegiance to one’s sovereign or state, giving aid to enemies, or levying war against one’s state. Sedition is encouraging one’s fellow citizens to rebel against their state, whereas treason is actually betraying one’s country by aiding and abetting another state. Sedition laws somewhat equate to terrorism and public order laws.

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:30 am

You’re trying to paint other people of having religious bigotry with Mitt Romney when you clearly wrote an article with religious bigotry about Glenn Beck. Sorry but maybe you should listen to what I’m saying and admit that you’re a hypocrite.

Tech82

September 1st, 2010
9:31 am

gmaye @ 8:23 -
You rail on Beck for being undereducated yet your own post contains no fewer than five grammatical and spelling errors. My personal favorite was, “He attracts the undedcated who can not research for themself.”

You should consider spending a few hours in a classroom yourself before condemning another man’s education.

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:31 am

I comprehend exactly what you’re saying, thank you!

Georgian

September 1st, 2010
9:32 am

Cynthia,

I read the entire post not once but 3 times. I couldnt believe what I was reading.

How can you attack Beck for promoting Christian values, and tell people they cant question the beliefs and religion of the PRESIDENT! He works for US!!! His business is our business. He has no private areas. He took the job.

But you question and attack the belief and religion of Beck because he is Mormon. That has nothing to do with him promoting Christian values to be recognized by our nation.

k

September 1st, 2010
9:32 am

“It’s wrong for anyone to question anyone else’s religious beliefs. None of us is God.” The book say’s, “you will know them by their fruits” another words, if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it’s most likely a DUCK…. both claim to be Christian, but one walks like a morman, one quacks like a muslem. It IS for you to judge and see….

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
9:32 am

ctucker=hypocrite wrote:
Who are you to speak of what Jesus Christ would tolerate?

While doing the same thing. The name should be
ctucker=hypocrite=hypocrite

Jason

September 1st, 2010
9:32 am

I love when religious people channel their deity’s assumed views like they have any legitimate platform to speak on their behalf. If God talks to you the world needs to know!!!! That means you’re a Prophet and shouldn’t be working at the AJC, there’s bigger fish to fry!!!! Otherwise, zip it on His behalf.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:32 am

russ
no christian asks other christians what does a christian believe and how they become one. that doesn’t sound christian like. just saying…

lmno

September 1st, 2010
9:32 am

Alcoholics Anonymous is a cult. Type the words AA and Cult into Google and see what you get.

Beck is spewing their message to the masses.

stw

September 1st, 2010
9:33 am

CT: Damn, are you our messiah or is it Obama ?

Georgian

September 1st, 2010
9:34 am

Cynthia,

So there are not a few “liberals” out there that have made those types of statements that the MAJORITY did not agree or base their opinion on?

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:34 am

Georgian@9:32, If you read the post three times, what did I say about Mitt Romney?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
9:35 am

Im confused, how does he quack like a muslim?

Jimnalph

September 1st, 2010
9:35 am

So let me get this straight- you are saying that Beck, who goes out and publicly affirms and promotes Christianity and God etc, which is exactly what the Bible says to do, is not or may not be a Christian, but Obama, who says he is a Christian, but otherwise does nothing to support that statement, and in fact is at least an accessory to promoting Islam is a Christian? Hv you been to church lately? When was the last time you went to a Bible school class? Me thinks you really don’t know what you are talking about.

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:36 am

@Some People are stupid, when did I ever claim what Jesus would tolerate?

Really??

September 1st, 2010
9:36 am

Still waiting to see how he is promoting Islam

Robert

September 1st, 2010
9:36 am

Cynthia, If Jesus Christ came down from Heaven and gave a sermon, since he was White, you would have a negative article in your rag paper the next day.

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:36 am

I was only responding to Cynthia’s claim

Haters are many

September 1st, 2010
9:37 am

Typical AJC far left hate column ……… Yet another hypocritical, one sided smear column famous to the AJC ………… How about posting some of the pictures of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND people from ALL religions that were at the rally ??? Too funny to see all of the time and effort put in by the left wing media to attempt to slow the momentum of this movement ….. Heck, there were more people at the 1 day event, than there are viewers of of the left wing news media AND AJC.COM muster up in a week !!

HA HA ……….. Catch the movement Cynthia and AJC, you can’t stop it cause you don’t have enough supporters !!

Sara

September 1st, 2010
9:37 am

@Union with all due respect, Jesus contradicted the OT ways on more than one occasion (hence that New Covenant to which Cynthia referred). The most obvious example is moving from the OT “eye for an eye” philosophy to the NT “turn the other cheek.” There is no guarantee that just because something was printed in the OT it means that Christ believed it/promoted it. Better to examine the evidence you know you have, which is that Christ was about helping his fellow man, being compassionate and caring, not judging others, and loving everyone despite their failings.

Longboarder

September 1st, 2010
9:37 am

Cynthia, I didn’t see the M. McConnell interview but based on your comments I can’t really see anything wrong with what he said. Are you suggesting that he should have somehow guaranteed/confirmed that Obama is a Christian? I think it would be very presumptuous for anyone except Obama’s closest friends/family to make a stronger statement than McConnell made. Stating “I know he is a Christian” isn’t really any different than stating “I know he isn’t a Christian”.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:37 am

my church is predominantly white. i left a predominantly black church. the only difference between them is location. in this case, race is much ado about nothing; so is beck’s mormonism. what is important is that the president has the support he needs to turn this country around.

STONE COLD REALITY

September 1st, 2010
9:37 am

Thats right HDB, keep preaching victimization. Thats REALLY going to help the black community. Of all the racial groups in this country are there any other than the black community who don’t see America for what it is and that is the ONLY place in the world where you have a CHANCE to become wealthy through hard work and determination. You CAN change your class here unlike virtually every other country in the world. Ameriaca has her faults, her scars, sins and demons but the sooner you quit crying about how your descendents were wronged and VOW to avenge them by bettering yourelf for yourself and your children and your grandchildren the better off WE ALL WILL BE!! Rev. Wright, Sharpton, Jackson? They still bathe in the riches derived from hatred and racial dysfunction….do yourself a favor, towel off and reach for God and the truth, lace up your work boots and go create your future instead of waiting for todays hucksters to give you your cup of government gruel. You deserve better and your descendents sacrificed for you to have this opportunity….TAKE IT!!

Fools one and all

Un-real

September 1st, 2010
9:38 am

Mrs Tucker, please don’t waste your time trying to explain logic, ideas and common sense to some of the people on this post. No matter how right you are about what you have to say, they will always find a way to justify their hatred … You are a talented writer and you have appeared on television shows to explain your thoughts, most of the people here are hiding behind the bogus name they post under.

DAWGFAN 86

September 1st, 2010
9:39 am

CT, you couldn’t out-smart your own common sense because you are a moron and a racist! Black people who think like you are racist as well. Instead of waiting around with your hands held out for uncle sam to GIVE YOU SOMETHING, how about you put a shovel in it and DO SOME WORK!

Look up blacks who support bailouts in the dictionary and you will see a picture of CT and all her supporters which make up a few drug dealers, drop outs, and lazy people who wouldn’t know how to EARN a paycheck if moses showed them the way!!!!

blackbird13

September 1st, 2010
9:39 am

“but didnt god say something about homosexuality..”

Really? Just what kind of voice did he/she have? Was it a rich baritone like Orson Welles’s or a sultry siren call ala Marlene Dietrich? Perhaps you were implying he/she wrote it. How was the penmanship? Leaving aside the question of the existence of a God at all, there is ZERO proof that he/she said anything , anytime, any place.

snafu

September 1st, 2010
9:39 am

Oh boy here we go..the article is about BECK but I’ll be damned if these yahoos dont bring up OBAMA! BECK is an idiot, a clown, liar and dishonest…LMAO. The religious nutjobs are out in force to defend their fairy.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
9:39 am

Yes, Glen Beck is outlandish. Yes, he says that offend miniorities and muslim religions. Yes, he can be over the top.

HOWEVER….YES, he says things that others are scared to say. YES, the majority of what he says is true. YES, he is a christian.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:40 am

jim
christians don’t have to make an announcement. believe it or not–he is president before he is christian.

Zach

September 1st, 2010
9:40 am

Articles like this are the reason why people don’t read the AJC

Jesuswaswhite?

September 1st, 2010
9:41 am

Really? I always thought that since he was born and raised in the Holy Land he was more Jewish, not Caucasian.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
9:41 am

WAR…your comment is hilarious. He is a Christian before he is Christian is more correct.

Libertarian

September 1st, 2010
9:42 am

Wow CT…two columns this week bashing Beck. He really ticked you off with that MLK day rally, huh?

snafu

September 1st, 2010
9:42 am

Blackbird13..LMAO..high five. Maybe its Barry White! But you know those voices they hear are really the pimps of piety channeling their subliminal messaging so they can part with their almighty greenbacks. Idiots and hypocrites at the same time..geez!

J. Kase

September 1st, 2010
9:42 am

Was always told that religion, politics, and race should never be discussed amongst friends. Now I know why.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:42 am

stone cold reality
i applaud your post. it neglects some sensitive issues, but in this case, your point is made without mentioning them.

hatin' on the stupid

September 1st, 2010
9:42 am

When Beck starts practicing what he preaches and refuses to cast the first stone, I might take his new-found piousness seriously. Interesting that someone like him, who slings slanderous lies daily, would lecture us on reforming America. He and those like him are what is poisoning America. ” Get the mote out of your own eye.”

handout

September 1st, 2010
9:43 am

Yeah just like most Dawg fans are illiterate, inbred, halfwits. Yay name calling is fun!

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
9:43 am

Longboarder@9:37, I think you know perfectly well that the question that McConnell was asked had nothing to do with Obama’s morality or whether he genuinely lives by Christ’s precepts. The question was about religious identity: Christian or Muslim. After the Jeremiah Wright controversy, McConnell knows perfectly well that Obama identifies himself as a Christian.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
9:44 am

It is funny how most in this chat room slam the right and idealogs likes Glen Beck. But wait to see what happens in the November elections and lets have a blog in December.
haha

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:44 am

whiteman
he has to be America’s president before he can be a christian president. but you understood that i know.

JohnnyReb

September 1st, 2010
9:44 am

American by birth, Southern by the grace of God, and grew up in a baptist church where no one ever belittled another man’s religion. Some of the best friends in my life are Jews, Mormons, and Catholics. The salt of the earth, no better men walk the earth. The only religion to fear is one that has a death wish at it’s center, or for you deniers, radicals who have a death wish. I am my father’s son, for Obama to be any different would be a divine miracle, and there has not been any of those for a very, very long time.

MiltonMan

September 1st, 2010
9:44 am

Liberals stating that Jesus was a Liberal??? Liberals do not quite understand the defintion of ignorance. When was Jesus every mentioned in the bible supporting abortion, euthanasia/suicide, global warming, handing more power over to a centralized government, eminent domain, etc. etc.?

White Man

September 1st, 2010
9:44 am

ctucker…..You think Jeremiah Wright is a Christian?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Jethro

September 1st, 2010
9:45 am

Where is Vince McMahon when you need him? “No! He didn’t just do that! A chair to the back of the head while he was praying! What a slobberknocker!”

I feel your pain, CT.

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:45 am

@ sara – thank you. like i said.. i am not one to talk about what others believe.. i appreciate the clarity of your comments.

Nazan Yar

September 1st, 2010
9:46 am

ctucker=hypocrite, The way you present your arguments, it is difficult to defend you. You might want to take a look at the blog on “Hitchens, Harris, and the Need for Some Gentle Instruction” at:

www (dot) runawayplanet (dot) com

White Man

September 1st, 2010
9:46 am

WAR…I mistyped my statement. He is a Christian first then he is the American President. However his Christian beliefs should be reflected in his actions and they are not. Believe it or not we ARE a Christian country.

JT

September 1st, 2010
9:47 am

Congrats CT. Opinion pieces are supposed to stir debate and you certainly have managed to do that with this piece.

Jason

September 1st, 2010
9:47 am

I love it, a Holier than Thou War has broken out. Isn’t there something in the Books about that too?

Comprende?

Paleman

September 1st, 2010
9:47 am

Everyone knows the white man is so beat down and so downtrodden that it’s only a matter of time before he explodes. Oh wait I think you’re forgetting the last 500+ years of white imperialism and oppression of other ethnic groups. Or perhaps you’re fearful that once you aren’t the majority you will receive the same treatment you so graciously gave others. The golden rule gone all ape-sh*t on your ass lol

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
9:47 am

Cynthia, you’re a great draw for the “terrorist” Christian. Let me speak from the Bible to these folks about their “precious” American “values”

Jesus was talking to White “Christian” America when he said:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:48 am

whiteman
november will not be any different than past elections. the reall challenge is what will happen in january when the chatter is over and people actually have to do some work. do you really think things will change if republicans regain the house and/or senate? i didn’t think that when the president got in office. if the repubs take over it will be business as usual just like when the dems have control.

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:48 am

this is kind of funny.. not too often you see the editor of a newspaper insult their readers for disagreeing with them.

Andrew

September 1st, 2010
9:48 am

HDB:

Thank you for posting the relevant part of the sermon. I had read this and several of his sermons in their entirety back before the election because I wanted to understand his theology in total, not in sound bites. And, to understand better the concept of black liberation theology after the Rev.’s appearance at the National Press Club, I did further research to understand its history and progeny. In my humble opinion, I believe that most who profess to be Christian would not recognize or subscribe to the black liberation beliefs as espoused by Rev. Wright. That was the specific nature of my comment. That is neither a smear nor an ugly statement. It is an opinion I hold. It is an opinion Beck holds. It is likely an opinion that many professed Christians would hold if asked.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
9:48 am

Paleman, that is hilarious. Your IQ is obviously well above everyone else on the board hahaha. Great.

snafu

September 1st, 2010
9:49 am

Georgian,,you are dead wrong..there is separation of church and state and your religious belief is your personal belief and I don’t care what religion the president professes. He was not elected to pray or try to find your Jeebuz! That is the problem with the religious nutjobs..you people are falling for the false concept that this country was founded on Christianity..LIE. LIE LIE and anyone who does not believe what you believe is just wrong..Get a life..we don’t walk lock step with stupidity.

Libertarian

September 1st, 2010
9:49 am

record unemployment, dismal housing market, record number of people taking government assistance, Afghan war…oh but lets talk about Glenn Beck/Obama’s religion…because that’s what’s really important.

Paleman

September 1st, 2010
9:50 am

Just like Bush’s actions reflected his Christianity. Falsify evidence to support a war we didn’t need to fight. Very Christian. All those dead on both sides so you can prove you have a bigger d*ck than daddy. I’m sure that was in the Bible somewhere……

White Man

September 1st, 2010
9:50 am

WAR…I believe that when ever the Democrats or Republicans have complete control over our government it is a scary situation. However the fact is that the American people are already tired of the Democratic message that they do not care what he American people think. Therefore the Democrates will lose more seats in this election than either party has ever lost.

Paleman

September 1st, 2010
9:51 am

I would be willing to bet is it above yours. But then again that might not be saying much….

Jason

September 1st, 2010
9:51 am

The loose translation of Leviticus roughly says men shouldn’t penetrate other men and that marrying your daughter is not forbidden.

Unfortunately, the Book cannot escape perverse transaltion by those who use it as a weapon.

ctucker=hypocrite

September 1st, 2010
9:51 am

Good article Nazan, I’ll take it to heart.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
9:52 am

yep. Milton Man

Jesus was a liberal. My very favorite liberal.

A #1 liberal.

If he walked the earth today most “christians” would spit on him.

He told rich people to redistribute their wealth among the poor (Matt 19:21).

He taught his followers to forgive debts and expect nothing back when they lend (Matt 6:12, Luke 6:35).

He was a pacifist (Matt 5:44).

He told the religious establishment that justice and mercy were more important than precisely following God’s commands (Matt 23:23).

author David Hamstra

ML

September 1st, 2010
9:52 am

when I saw that rally, reminded me so much of the film of the Nuremburg rallies, it was scary. Christians are tying themselves with a political party, something Jesus would never do. and after what the banks and Wall Street did to everyone, and everyone fully knowing that the best friend of large corporations, bankers and the rich, is the Republican Party and still people are supporting them?! but Republicans can’t admit to any fault, they think it is a weakness, when it truth many times it is a sign strength. it’s also how you fix past mistakes, adjust and improve things. but the shame game used by Republicans scares most people into cowering and doing nothing, or even worse, just going along. in the last 30 years Republicans have had a President 20 of those years and a Republican controlled Congress about the same amount of time and much of that time they had a Republican President and a Republican controlled Congress, about 66.6% of the time(how coincidental that number is for people who falsely use God for personal gain). yet it’s the other side, the wimps mind you, that have man-handled them into letting our country waste away.
here are some things that by tying religion with the Republican party have disrespected Jesus and hurt America. if you love Jesus, please don’t call yourself a Christian anymore, the word has no positive value.
Christians are now:
pro-rich people
pro-war
pro-death penalty(Jesus was a victim of capital punishment, don’t think he’d be with them on this one)
pro-hate for anyone that’s different
anti-green
anti-euthanasia
anti-helping the sick and elderly
and the list goes on…

so please don’t call yourself a Christian today if you want to live anything like Jesus would want you to live.
I am most disappointed at the ministers, pastors, preachers, who have not done their jobs. people now use religion to hide behind so that they don’t have to try to be good people, why that’s just too much work. why haven’t you seen just one religious leader speak out against the greedy rich that have done so much for a while, and especially recently, to hurt this country and harm so many millions of people, not to mention all the animals that have suffered due to this economic collapse? because if they did they would be speaking against the Republican/Christian party and people would get up and walk out of their churches kind of like that seen in the movie Gandhi when the preacher started taking the side of justice against racism. and the church is now a business, not a place to bring more good into this world. but what would you expect from something and someone so hypocritical that they would say you can’t work on the Sabbath, yet that is the preachers busiest work day of the week.

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:52 am

so.. if bush was so stupid.. how did “he” falsify evidence exactly.. if he pulled that off and fooled obama and the rest of the dems.. we really dont them in washington..

White Man

September 1st, 2010
9:52 am

Paleman….Great comeback….my point is proven! ha.

FMX

September 1st, 2010
9:53 am

We like to pretend that we are so religious but it is not reflected in our lives. You know that 60-70 years ago entertainment after church consisted of lynching a black man. There is some disconnect in what we claim to be and what we are. Being a christian takes discipline and love. Just look at the racism that goes on these message board both ways. Let’s not pretend that the racism is one way because its not. I sit and wonder what bible are these people reading? You can’t serve two masters people. You just can’t. Racism/intolerance plays right into the hand of the devil. I am not trying to sit on a high horse because I am not perfect but I have never engaged in any kind of racism or intolerance of any man or woman in my life. That goes against the very essence of what being a christian is all about. If you are a racist you can’t possibly be a true christian.

John K

September 1st, 2010
9:53 am

Cynthia, it’s painfully apparent that many here are arguing against an article they think (or wish) you wrote, and not the one you actually wrote.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:53 am

milton man “Liberals stating that Jesus was a Liberal??? Liberals do not quite understand the defintion of ignorance. When was Jesus every mentioned in the bible supporting abortion, euthanasia/suicide, global warming, handing more power over to a centralized government, eminent domain, etc. etc.?”

“conservatives stating that Jesus was a conservative… when did he mention… supporting WAR, drill baby drill, more localized power for powermongers, unregulated free markets, etc. etc.?”

A "Voice"

September 1st, 2010
9:53 am

“sometimes the messenger is part of the problem….” i.e., Obama!

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:53 am

hmmm who voted down gay marriage in california?

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
9:54 am

Tucker,
I do agree that Obama is a Christian…..A REVEREND WRIGHT CHRISTIAN, which seem to be Christians filled with an amazing amount of hate. How about a comment here Tucker…..

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
9:54 am

Milton Man-

1. You are confusing political issues with religion
2. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t know about global warming during Jesus’s time..I’m not even sure they knew there was another continent on the other side.
3. What about render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser…

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
9:56 am

You brand all the hate on conservatives, but I guarantee conservatives would have gotten up and walked out of church had they heard anything that Rev Wright was saying.

Missing the Point

September 1st, 2010
9:56 am

You are ALL missing the point. A true Christian does not judge whether another person is a Christian because a true Christian knows that is between that person and God. We don’t know what’s in the other person’s heart.

If you stop judging others, you’ll be amazed at how liberating it is.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
9:57 am

white man
you are right! they probably will lose more seats than the repubs did. my question is: what do you/me or anyone else expect to change when/if they takeover? more investigations? repeal healthcare? extend bush taxes? here is my prediction white man, if the repubs win one or both houses–obama will get re-elected in 2012. if they remain the minority in both houses, the pres will be out in 2012.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
9:57 am

Billybob-

Did you read when HDB posted the whole message…and not just the sound bite?

RC

September 1st, 2010
9:58 am

CT,

I like to think that I am a fairly reasonable and level-headed person. I am open minded (about most things) and thus try not to judge any idea without first carefully scrutinizing the merit of the content.

Let me first say that I have absolutely no problem with anyone standing up and proclaiming that this country needs to return to core values. I think it is fairly obvious to everyone in this country that we are in decline and can probably trace the roots of our decline all the way back to FDR. For that reason I am in agreement with Mr. Beck that we as a country need to find that inner strength that belonged to our greatest generation. I have watched Glenn Beck on several occasions and I find his observations to be lucid, well researched, and backed up with fact (as opposed to the rantings of those against him). He frequently admits his own shortcomings and never fails to remind his viewers not to take his word on anything but to check his facts and research for themselves.

I never find fault with anyone who lifts themselves up from a dark past. Redemption is something to be celebrated and embraced. I thought that was a core liberal belief.

So my question to you is why do you question his motives? He is not running for office, yes he is on Radio and TV but after all how else can he get out his message? You after all are no different writing your beleifs in a newspaper. Should we be calling you a huckster, a carny barker.

Please answer for me what higher authority allows you to judge Glenn Becks’ motives and have some higher ground to stand on. To me this smacks of arrogrance and falsehood.

Until you can prove to me that Glenn Beck has a motive other than wanting to see a better country for his children (my motive) then I will continue to listen to his message and dismiss yours.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
9:58 am

STONE COLD REALITY September 1st, 2010
9:37 am

FAR from being a victim…..but I AM cognizant of what people try to say what is real…and what ACTUALLY is real! I’ve achieved my success because of what I believed was the pathways….work and education!!

“America has her faults, her scars, sins and demons but the sooner you quit crying about how your descendents were wronged and VOW to avenge them by bettering yourself for yourself and your children and your grandchildren the better off WE ALL WILL BE!! ”

In many cases, America WON’T admit to her problems…..and that’s what needs to occur so that ALL of us can get past the negatives and work on the positives!! I used the foibles of the past to motivate me towards a better future…but to FORGET the past is to invite its repetition!!

lmno

September 1st, 2010
9:58 am

“Cynthia, If Jesus Christ came down from Heaven and gave a sermon, since he was White, you would have a negative article in your rag paper the next day.”

Jesus was white? I bet he stuck out like a sore thumb in the middle east then?

Ethel

September 1st, 2010
9:58 am

What part of “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”….. don’t you understand?

Union

September 1st, 2010
9:59 am

this could be a blog… why dont african americans like gay people?

Mel

September 1st, 2010
9:59 am

Makes sense why Beck would have Palin at the rally. They’re two peas in a pod. Incredibly polarizing, they don’t get their facts straight and then they turn around and spew their nonsense on television. And somehow they actually get people to believe what they say.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:00 am

WAR- in that case I am voting democrat in November haha.

Big D

September 1st, 2010
10:00 am

Sarah Palin …a major “polarizing” figure in the US of A.
Do you even know what the term means, you use it to mean a draw of people to one side or the other in extreme by means of slander or innuendo and I know of not one thing she has said that qualifies your assessment. On the other hand candidate Obama and President Obama has gone out of his way to be “negativity polarizing” by his words and actions by claiming the population at large that disagrees with him are somehow “ignorant gun totting religious insecure racist homophobic Islamafphobes. Then by his actions he decides to go completely away from HIS OWN WORDS and let the public see bills posted on the internet before passing!!! He forces us with this competently inept congress to accept his dogma and insane ideology for social change when it was obvious to the VAST majority of Americans that we DID NOT WANT IT…and you and all these star struck liberals are now in complete ejection mode because this crap you back is going down in flames never seen in this country..10 POINTS before mid term…can we have a big ol ADIOS..

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:00 am

Union – The do they are all just on the “down low”.

STONE COLD REALITY

September 1st, 2010
10:01 am

CT…still no word on the hope?? I thought not. You KNOW there is no defense for Obama, you blindly bleat the Obama mantra even as you are led to slaughter.
Liberals hate Beck and his message because you have no asnwer for it other than Government and your own sin….and you know it. You can’t bask in the light of the truth because you know what you are, and that is a parasite that feeds off others liberty and labor. You know you can’t exist on your own and that scares you becasue you have no basis for your own truth. You don’t know what to beleive because you only believe what the left has told you…and you covet and hate what other people have. It is the most base of mans instincts and not PROGRESSVIVE at all. Seek your own truth and don’t begrudge others for what they have, care for yourself and your family and the rest will take care of itself.

Jason

September 1st, 2010
10:01 am

Publius

September 1st, 2010
10:02 am

To those who point out Glenn Beck’s personal beliefs, I suggest that you step back and look at the big picture. The point of the rally and most of Beck’s recent commentary is that America has turned from our traditional values. A sense of moral responsibility, with it’s roots in Christianity, is a part of the American fabric. Our ideas drawn from the founding fathers about religious freedom, I believe, were meant to insure the idea that we never establish a national or state religion which taxes those who would differ. In the years since, we have as a nation, chosen to interpret these ideas as not pushing our religion on someone else. This does not mean however, that we as a nation abandon God entirely. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that before our “modern scientific and enlightened ideas” began to break down everything about and every religion that put faith into, a higher power, we were a more peaceful, loving and charitable society. There were problems involving prejudices and poverty. Some of these problems are still with us. Would love towards our fellow man not be at least as effective in fixing these problems as the government sponsored social fixes rooted in elitist liberal thought? People may not like Mr. Beck personally or the percieved games he plays with religion and politics, (his job). In this case the message appears to be right on the mark.

Steve

September 1st, 2010
10:02 am

I’m pretty sure on numerous occassions Pres Obama has indicated the belief ‘his salvation relies on the collective salvation of others’. That would be different from the majority of christians who believe their salvation is based on their personal relationship with Jesus. So how is Beck incorrect with this statement?

I have noted more people want to be seen in public with Beck lately. Obama seems to have the opposite effect on people. That will leave Obama more time for golf and vacations though.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:02 am

billybob
i went attended a church like that in atlanta. almost everyone was white and the conversation was about how islam was not a religion and muslims were going to hell. i got up to leave. i don’t say those christians are wrong and i am right. i didn’t return becasuse that kind of talk is not for me.

kayaker 71

September 1st, 2010
10:03 am

Estimates range from 300K-500K. From the tapes, these people didn’t seem crazed, brainwashed or violent. Most of them looked like average Americans to me. No arrests for unruly conduct, no trash on the ground like the inauguration which looked like a land fill afterward. These “crazy” people are people like your next door neighbors, brought their kids and families, no signs depicting Bozo as the Anti-Christ. This thing, despite all of the liberal rants about the rally was not about Bozo. He was mentioned once in the closing prayer when the black minister giving the prayer, asked ‘God for guidance for our President and our Congress. It was not about Repubs/Demos. It was about restoring the honor that this country once had. Plain and simple. And it scares you libs to death. Murkowski is the latest casualty and it really has you concerned. Face it, libs, it hasn’t worked and you know it. America is waking up to the fraud, deceit, lies and arrogance. We will take our country back from you and we will begin in 62 days. Enjoy the last two months or so. It will be the last black president in your lifetime and the last Democratic controlled Congress in a generation.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
10:03 am

What the heck is STONE COLD REALITY talking about??

Union

September 1st, 2010
10:03 am

so does obama not like gay people if most blacks dont like gay people? it would make sense.. since all southern baptist say that about beck

Joseph Pinto

September 1st, 2010
10:03 am

Fire Cynthia…

Yall see Buckhead got a nod on Drudge today….

“FLASH: AUGUST 2010 IS LARGEST AUGUST IN DRUDGEREPORT’S 16 YEAR HISTORY. PAGE VIEWED 772,638,752 TIMES [UP FROM 669,392,126 IN '09 AND 614,577,960 IN '08]. FROM NEW ZEALAND TO NORWAY, BUCKHEAD TO BERLIN, AND BACK AROUND, THANKS A BILLION!”

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
10:03 am

Billy Bob

amazing amount of hate?

I’d guess you got all you know of the good Rev Wright is a 20 second sound clip on on loop.

wow, that’s some depth of knowledge and understanding.

it’s like knowing all there is about sailing from watching a preview of titanic.

you should be aashamed of yourself.

luangtom

September 1st, 2010
10:04 am

I sit here and read all of the jabs at each other and see that many folks thrive on the verbal-sparring. Yet, I also sit here and wonder if B. Hussein Obama is such a Christian, just how did he get enrolled in a Muslim school during his younger years in Indonesia? Did he find an equal-opportunity Muslim enclave? Or, were his parents just sneaky and lied about his not being an infidel? I am just wondering….

ML

September 1st, 2010
10:05 am

there has always been global warming or global cooling anyone that doesn’t believe that is a moron that must believe the world has a thermostat set by none other than Dave Lennox himself.
the Saxons originally from Germany lived along the northern coast and were forced to leave their homeland in search of new land due to a rise in sea level that flooded their land. the Mongols were forced to find new land for grazing of their animals due to colder temperatures that froze the steppes and killed the grasses needed for their livestock.
remember the same people that are mocking global warming are the same numbskulls that said solar and wind power were for bed wetters and tree huggers, more of the shame game that is used by weak minded, selfish and arrogant sheep.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:05 am

luangtom…..Great post.

Rickster

September 1st, 2010
10:05 am

Technically, Beck is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” is the general term. “Mormons” believe in Jesus (hence the mention of Jesus in the name of the church.)

But what hypocrisy for Cynthia Tucker to write a opinion piece attacking Beck’s religion while decrying him for attacking somone else’s!

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:05 am

union
homosexuality is taboo conversation in the black community

white man
you do know that white men are on the down low, too. just saying…

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
10:06 am

‘When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.’ – Sinclair Lewis

Really Squared??

September 1st, 2010
10:06 am

Kayaker 71
It will be the last black president in your lifetime and the last Democratic controlled Congress in a generation.

Craziest most asinine post of the day so far. So cause he was black it was an issue…and I am pretty sure we will have a democratically controlled congress again…wasn’t that side after 94 by the way

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:07 am

union
soooooo the white people like gays? i wonder what the white man will have to say about that!

barking frog

September 1st, 2010
10:07 am

Elections are completely about judgments. We
select government leaders based on everything
about them. If you don’t want to be judged don’t
enter politics. All beliefs, actions,appearances,
history, and predictions are subject to intense
scrutiny, and rightfully so.

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

September 1st, 2010
10:07 am

GLEN BECK IS A ATHEIST!

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
10:07 am

kayaker 71

85000

get real

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

September 1st, 2010
10:08 am

Enter your comments hereHistory Lesson maybe 1 in 10,000 know…..

Watch and learn the facts!

www . youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E

Delete the spaces1

retired early

September 1st, 2010
10:08 am

I am a non-believer. I wish more non-believers would “come out of the closet”, but I understand; growing up in rural Ga, you would do just as well if you were from outer space as to not be a “Protestant”.
Talk about intolerance. Give me a break. I had more compassion as a 13 year old that I ever saw in the Christian community. I have to say, to be fair, met some wonderful people who professed to be Christians and I was impressed by how they lived their lives; most of them… though not all…did not attend church regularly. I found that very interesting. It would be a wonderful world indeed if humans would accept their place in the animal kingdom and quit believing they are so special they are going to survive death and live forever. If you recognize the fact that you’ve got this “ONE LIFE” without the “PROMISE” of life after death, you may find you will not take this one for granted,or this earth for that matter. Look at those idiots who blow themselves up for 72 virgins . I always wonder; those 72 women must be what, in Hell. People, please GROW UP. Oh and by the way, there is no EASTER BUNNY EITHER !!!

LeeH1

September 1st, 2010
10:08 am

Glen Beck was raised a Roman Catholic. He evidently divorced his first wife because she got sick (so much for “in sickness and in health”). Geln Beck used dope and booze.

If this is the face of the Tea Party, the Democrats and any other americans have nothing to fear. Only the Republicans, who face the departure of their crazy wing, may lose.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

September 1st, 2010
10:08 am

History Lesson maybe 1 in 10,000 know…..

Watch and learn the facts!

www . youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E

Delete the spaces1

Chris D.

September 1st, 2010
10:09 am

Ms. Tucker, Your entire article confuses me…You stated: “Moreover, he’s an odd spokesman for conservative Christianity, since he’s Mormon” Mormans ARE Christians! Their official name is “The church of Latter Day Saints of Jesus Christ”.

Union

September 1st, 2010
10:09 am

granny.. ctucker needs you.. she is angry..

war.. i am going off of facts.. in california 80% of blacks opposed gay marriage.. while only 50% of whites did..

STONE COLD REALITY

September 1st, 2010
10:10 am

HDB…why put your worth or value in what others say or do. If AMERICA…which is exactly who??….claims its sins…what will that change? If Obama crys that America is racist and should be damned to hell for its sins, will that assuage your anger? You must let go of your anger to move forward. Don’t forget, never forget, your ancestors paid too steep a price….sacrificed much too much for that. But make them proud for being the man you CAN be, be a catalyst for liberty and freedom of ALL men, not an adjudicator for the descendants of the sinful. We can all move forward together or fight each other for our version of the past. Its our choice.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:11 am

kayaker71
i remember when people said a black president would never be elected in anyone’s lifetime… same thing about a catholic and actor turned governor… guess no women, hispanic, or jews either, huh? just asking…

Tommy

September 1st, 2010
10:11 am

CTucker,
With all of the unemployed and homeless people in Atlanta how do you have a job?

I know Beck is Mormon because he has made that statement. But what is Obama? In the interview last week with Brian Williams he failed to do so when confronted with the question about his birth place and 1/5th of Americans believing he is a Muslim?

Obama laughed it off and said “what do you want me to do wear my birth record plastered to my forehead”. Never once did he say I am not a Muslim or in deed I am a Christian. Why? Is he ashamed that out of all of the churches in Chicago he could have gone to his picked Wrights church? The man who preaches hate, preaches racism, preaches anti-America, shall I go on….

NO Obama sit there and laughed. So I have no idea what the man believes. I do know what Beck believes because he is not afraid to tell everyone. I feel obama is either ashamed or a Muslim. I tend to believe the later.

clintcastleberry

September 1st, 2010
10:12 am

Billybob at 9:54am: Sure am glad you were not around when Jefferson was writing his own version of the Bible and taking out all the miracles (said he couldn’t believe in them), or when our UNITARIAN Second Pres., John Adams, signed the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797 (”As the gov’t of the United States of America was not, in any sense, founded upon the Christian religion”).

And you would have a stroke if Pres. Obama said anything like these three men did:

“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.” – Ben Franklin.

“The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession.” – Abraham Lincoln.

“I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST, and there are other postulates of the Orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.” – Wm. Howard Taft, 27th Pres. of the U.S. and CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.

MarkRH

September 1st, 2010
10:12 am

Mormons like Glenn Beck can believe what they wish, but they cannot change what “Christian” means, and “Christians” do not have to accept Mormons as “Christians” just because Mormons call themselves by that name. It is like calling the beverage in front of you “beer” if it contains anything other than water, malted barley, and hops.

Mormons are not “Christian” because they believe there is more sacred text than the accepted “Christian” Bible, and have different beliefs. For instance “Christians” believe that Jesus will only return to earth at the second coming. Mormons believe He already returned to earth in upstate NY as told in the Book of Mormon.

For those who think this is minor quibbling between believers, change the defining word in question to a name you feel strongly about, such as “teacher”, “doctor”, “engineer”, “veteran”, “realtor”, “black”, or even “Jew” or “Muslim”, and you’ll likewise want the correct definition used and its usage to conform to that definition.

Nazan Yar

September 1st, 2010
10:12 am

Missing the Point, I am interested in what your contention is. I’m not convinced that judging a person and knowing what is in a person’s heart are related. If judging a person’s apparent beliefs is the same as questioning, refining, helping, and at the same time refining your own beliefs, what is wrong with that? The Bible (Matthew, Psalms, Romans, Colossians) refers several times to sharpening one another in love.

Union

September 1st, 2010
10:13 am

granny.. nbc said 300k.. everyone but cbs pretty much stated that number.. is that your source for the 80k?

JD

September 1st, 2010
10:13 am

The messenger in this case is the problem! I can remember about ten years ago I had Beck on the radio on my way home from work—-he made sence then, but now he spews his division of hate to keep his rating up and conservitives suck it up like pulled pork at a BBQ. Beck is using the conseritives and they aren’t even smart to know it. It’s almost like the Civil War all over again but with out guns—-at least not for now. So now the drug/alcohol abuser is a Al Sharpten self appointed chrisian leader for the sheep of the Christian far right. Don’t get wrong, not all Christians are on the far right but you know the old saying about the squeeking wheel. This type of behavior is over the top and is, to use a tired saying, un-American, let alone disstrutive. Now more then ever, we as a nation need to pull together to get past our economic problems not create more!!!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:13 am

As Christians shouldnt we love all men and women. We may not approve of their acts but we should love the person.

The Devil Watches

September 1st, 2010
10:13 am

I love it!! Christians all fighting, and throw in lots of racisim in the mix too. Why the Atheist movement is growing because of all the crap above and below. Christians keep things segregated and blame other people for problems. The Native Americans didn’t get a chance before the Christians came a killed them for not converting. Fight On Christians I Love It!

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:14 am

white man
again it is much less to do with the person and more to do with the act. in the black community homosexuality is taboo because it will open other taboo conversations. interesting assumption, however, my white friends–libs and conserves–don’t really like talking about homosexuality either. SEC football on the other hand always makes for good conversation!

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
10:14 am

It sounds to me like Americans on the Right confuse being “Christian” with being “white.” I wonder where they got that from? Oh, right, the KKK.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:15 am

I would always rather talk SEC Football than sexuality. Unless I am talking to a 5′9″ blonde hair, blue eyed 110lb cheerleader!

snafu

September 1st, 2010
10:16 am

1ProudNUT..

Were you there when Jeebus supposedly spoke those words. It goes to show how f ing stupid these people are. These people are quoted the book of fairy tales like they were there and that no one can refute the BS in that lying book.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:16 am

1ProudVet….why do you have to make it a racial issue? Old old old

Gator Joe

September 1st, 2010
10:17 am

Cynthia,
What is most troubling about the Beck phenomenon is that he has followers; followers who mindlessly listen to his hateful, hate-filled rhetoric. This latest stunt is a shrewd response to, and an attempt to change public opinion, of what most rational Americans see as an incresingly out of the mainstream, often racist, intentionally divisive movement.
By the way, if Beck and his followers manage to “take back” our country, they will take only a part. The remainder will remain as it was intended, a place of tolerance, of compassion, of personal and religious freedom, of equal opportunity for all regardless of color, race or creed.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:17 am

It always amazes me to see the amount of ignorance and stupidity that exists in our society.

middler and so tired of all the rhetoric :

September 1st, 2010
10:18 am

For a county founded on religious freedom and tolerance of all beliefs we have an awful lot of people making money and exerting influence by denigrating other’s beliefs and questioning other’s private faith. Our president’s religion or lack of one really doesn’t matter. It’s what he does for the country. And right now religion, ethnicity, political ideology are being used to thwart any efforts our current president makes to fix this country’s ills. I don’t remember Beck or any of these other loudmouth bullies doing a lot positive during the Bush tenure. No one is saying they have to believe or act differently. But their visibility lets them control much of the national legislature and prevent any progress to help the majority of us. One day all of them will have to face God one-to-one and be held accountable for their actions. Just like the rest of us.

Jeff

September 1st, 2010
10:18 am

Cynthia, you are SUCH a hypocrite! You said “JT@8:48, Most of your “facts” are wrong. And you have no business questioning anyone else’s religious beliefs.”

Yet you and thousands of other hard-core liberals love to criticize, chastise, make fun of, demean and scoff at anyone who claims to be a conservative Christian. I have read on this very blog where you rip into anyone who believes differently than you, questioning their morals, character, faith, political affiliation and reasons for believing what they do.

I don’t know the ultimate end of Glenn Beck’s soul, and neither do you… nor do I know the ultimate end to ANYONE’S soul. But I do know this: Glenn Beck is one of the smartest, most decent, most God-fearing, most patriotic people in America. His urging and pleading that we as a NATION, and every individual, get BACK to our country’s roots, which is based on faith, hope, and charity (and small government, might I add) is a welcome breath of fresh air.

Anyone who would criticize this man’s passion for wanting the United States to get back to a strong, secure, upright and moral nation, based on Judeo-Christian beliefs and a democratic republic form of government and a free-market, capitalist-based economy, is a buffoon.

Tucker, you and your ilk have tried to convince America for 40 years that the most important things in life are social justice, that nobody ever be poor, that nobody ever face consequences for their action, and that we as America should adapt to the rest of the world so they “like” us better. I say you’re through — a new generation of Americans is finally speaking out, one that believes in faith, hard work, high moral standards, conservative fiscal policies, a strong military, and a committment by people to help other people WITHOUT relying on government.

Glenn Beck isn’t perfect, nobody is… but thank GOD somebody is willing to stand up and say to America “Get back to our roots, people… help each other, love each other, get your own house in order and seek wise counsel.” Enough finger pointing, chest beating, liberal mamby-pamby-handouts and decisions made for political gain… the time is now for America to finally ask “God, what direction do YOU want our country to go?” Only THEN will America prosper once again.

I Will Make Georgia Howl

September 1st, 2010
10:19 am

Here we go again with the right’s distraction tactics. Instead of focusing on the economy and terrorist threats, the conservatives are trying to distract America and its leaders with fear mongering. Why focus on improving our country and economy when our President is a “muslim” or there will be a mosque built in Manhattan? (It reeks of Defense of Marriage and WMDs of the Bush/Rove era). This country needs to stay focused on the economy, the REAL terrorist threat, and promoting peace and human rights in the world.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:20 am

as one of my “im a southerner not a redneck” friends put it: i can work with mormon and live in the same neighborhood with a mormon. but i can’t vote for a mormon.

he said the same thing about a black man too.

kayaker 71

September 1st, 2010
10:20 am

Being black was the only reason why Bozo was elected. If he had been white, he would not have had a chance and you know it. Someone with his liberal views and being a white man, would have not have gotten off the ground. Democrats are not stupid. A bit misguided, but not stupid. They knew a good thing when they saw him speaking at the Demo convention in 2004. Either party would run Donald Duck if he was electable and if you don’t know that, you are very misinformed. No matter that he an empty suit with little to no substance, an arrogant liar with absolutely no experience in running this country, surrounding himself with surrogates that don’t know much more than the does. Do you think that either party will take a chance on a black man/woman as a presidential candidate anytime in the next few years? Do you see any on the horizon which might appeal to the electorate? I don’t either.

A "Voice"

September 1st, 2010
10:21 am

ML, September 1st, 2010, 9:52 am — “the greedy rich” as you called them are not just republicans. There are “greedy rich” democrats, too. I would venture to say that the “greedy rich” contribute more to charitable causes than you would ever admit. The “greedy rich” also includes all those liberal Hollywood types, those NFL football players, NBA basketball players, etc. “The greedy rich” represent many facets of religions and non-religious groups. All throughout the history of the world, there have always been those who are willing and motivated to move up the financial ladder, those who are happy being middle class and those who no matter what will never be more than what they are regardless of how much they are given.

barking frog

September 1st, 2010
10:21 am

How many christians do you think there would
be if St. Paul hadn’t convinced St. Peter that
gentiles could be spiritual jews without being
circumcised ?

Dirty Dawg

September 1st, 2010
10:22 am

granny godzilla’s right, Glenn Beck is exactly as Andy Griffith’s character in ‘A Face In The Crowd’ – it’s the reason Keith Olbermann calls him ‘Lonesome Rhodes’ Beck. The scary thing is that it’s so damned true. I don’t know if the posters here that support this nincompoop are making the kool-aid or just drinking it…God help us, and you, if you’re doing both cause if you succeed it’ll mean the end of whatever good this country was supposed to stand for. The right-wing machine – greedy billionaires financing a psychopathic process for ‘herding sheep’ to the slaughter – may indeed pull off a majority in the Congress come this November, but after November comes January and the results of that vote will begin to be realized. It’ll be doomsday for us all, only the kool-aiders won’t ever admit it…that’s the truly scary part. You’ll go along with this mess, acting against your own self interest because your hate and prejudice will be driving your every thought and deed, what a pathetic way to live. I pity you.

Jason

September 1st, 2010
10:23 am

I didn’t know this many Prophets read the AJC.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:23 am

white man
i agree this issue is not about race. sometimes i like beck. sometimes i don’t. sometimes i like sharpton. sometimes i don’t. sometimes i feel like a nut. sometimes i don’t.

Alabama will win back to back!

Martin Luther

September 1st, 2010
10:24 am

Neither Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses are Christians, regardless of what they call themselves.

Union

September 1st, 2010
10:24 am

Jeff

September 1st, 2010
10:25 am

Gator Joe: you said “What is most troubling about the Beck phenomenon is that he has followers; followers who mindlessly listen to his hateful, hate-filled rhetoric.”

I suppose the rants and raves and diatribe by the Sharptons, Bidens, Jacksons, Clintons, Obamas, Deans, Reids, Pelosis, Gores and Kerrys over the last 10-20 years haven’t bothered you at all….

Liberalism hates anything Christian, anything conservative, anything moral, anything where you have to say “no” or “you shouldn’t” or “that’s not the government’s place.” I have been absolutely blasted by liberals for being an “idiot”, yet I’m a college-educated American who owns a nice home, donates money and time to charity, and helps support my family and older relatives.

Don’t throw stones, Gator Joe… ask these millions of idiot Americans who BLINDLY followed Obama and drove him to office in 2008 ONLY BASED ON HIS COLOR AND/OR HIS RHETORIC… he has no significant political background to speak of and he was a one-term junior senator for cryin’ out loud… he was not and is not qualified to be president, but he was a dang rock star to you libs. You blindly follow ANYTHING that man says and NEVER criticize him… he’s the sacred cow to those on the left.

Again, the hypocricy of the left amazes me….

You all have a wonderful day.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:26 am

I agree with you about Beck….I agree with you about Alabama (even though I am a die hard Georgia fan). I couldnt disagree with you more about Sharpton.

Hellavuengineer

September 1st, 2010
10:26 am

Hmm, don’t look at any facts Cynthia. Just play on the emotion.

You do the same things that you accuse Beck of doing. Siting others of questioning his Christianity, but you demonize him for it.

Why not ask the question. Beck believes Obama is not a christian because he believes in collective salvation. If this is truly an “ugly attack”, and “rancid dismissal of the religious beliefs” it should be easy to show. Why not site sources and facts that would show that this is a mainstream christian belief. Hmm maybe you can’t

Instead you site sources that coudl also be construed as ugly attacks and rancid dismissal of the religious beliefs. Seems that you don’t have much more morality than you claim Beck does.

This is a prime example of why I don’t buy the AJC anymore.

g rob

September 1st, 2010
10:27 am

No one has the right to challenge ones religion…you should be ashamed for writing such an article and the AJC should not have allowed the article to be published! Religion is ones own choice….

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:28 am

kayaker71
the only people regretting an elected black man is the republican party with steele. your post is to make his presidency illegitimate and that is not fair. that is like saying blacks don’t vote republican or whites are conservative or democrats don’t pray… you are not making any sense today and you usually have some pretty good things to say. maybe someone name-jacked you.

Jesus following liberal

September 1st, 2010
10:29 am

Jesus: the most famous liberal of all time. Remember, feed my sheep.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:33 am

jeff
the same thing could be said about bush 2 who ruined a baseball team, did drugs, graduated from an ivy league college and couldn’t really put a coherent word together. for whatever reason bush 2 or obama were elected isn’t the issue. can we as Americans support the president even if we don’t like him personally or politically. i say yes. that doesn’t mean we believe everything they say (although i did believe the WMD), but it does mean that we believe in them. Americans follow their commander-in-chief no matter what. isn’t that what makes us exceptional?

Paul

September 1st, 2010
10:33 am

I would submit that Glenn Beck is more of a Christian than either the (Rev?) Jesse Jackson or the (Rev?) Al Sharpton. I’m still trying to find out what church they are affiliated with.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
10:33 am

Union

The Washington DC Fire Dept. and a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS news using DOD technology.

blackbird13

September 1st, 2010
10:34 am

“Believe it or not we ARE a Christian country.”

Speak for yourself, white man. The Constitution says nothing about the U.S. being a Christian country. If you mean it’s because the majority count themselves Christians (though their actions may be otherwise), let me ask you this.The majority of the people in this country once believed miscegenation should be illegal, and not that long ago. I’d wager a majority of them were Christians and cited religion as reason for their opposition. Since many of these people are still alive, why the hell would we won’t to lay claim to the moniker “Christian country” when so many morons have called themselves that? The idea that conservative Christians are bumpkins didn’t get made up out of whole cloth; they have offered plenty of evidence for it.

snafu

September 1st, 2010
10:35 am

Well, Joe.Bush was not qualified either. A failed Governor and business person and proof in 8 years fo installments. I guess Palin was more qualified right? SHE QUITTED! Oh..wait I am sure you will refudiate this..LMAO

Paul

September 1st, 2010
10:36 am

Cynthia would you be denouncing Glenn Beck if he was black?

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:36 am

Jesus following Liberal….I dont think Jesus would agree with abortion, I dont think Jesus would agree with over taxation of the people, I don’t think Jesus would agree with abolishment of prayer. Where in the world do you get your ideas from????

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:37 am

Blackbird….what is 2+2? Just checking to make sure you have a brain….

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:39 am

Blackbird…read the constitution and Declaration of Independance and see how many times they referenced God. Also research our forefathers and how many of them were christians or even preachers.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:39 am

Blackbird…read the constitution and Declaration of Independance and see how many times they referenced God. Also research our forefathers and how many of them were christians or even preachers.

Right Way

September 1st, 2010
10:40 am

Get a life, will you. Beck is trying to get this country some sanity again. What are you doing to help do that. I think a Walmart greeter is doing more to bring some sanity to this country that you do printing your garbage. I don’t see anything about the crowd there on how civilize they were and how patriotic they were. Wake up and become part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

devcortcc

September 1st, 2010
10:41 am

As usual , Ms. Tucker, you just don,t get it. Beck’s rally was not about politics, but restoring Honor Faith, Dignity,common sense, and placing God in our lives to where he should be! First!. This Country was founded and our Constitution created on Godly Principles. God blessed this Country because we believed and lived by these principles. Over the years we have allowed God to be pushed out of almost every aspect of our lives. II Chronicles 7:14 says it all. God did not create the different denominations, man did, so there will always be bickering back and forth about who’s right and who’s wrong. As for me and my family, we will stand with the Lord.

kayaker 71

September 1st, 2010
10:43 am

WAR,

Just being realistic, not racist or intending to be disrespectful. I really don’t think that the color of one’s skin should be the determining factor in his ability to lead this country. God knows, we have had numerous people of different races, creeds and beliefs that have been great Americans. I am simply saying that for such a long time, the black community has lacked the leadership that they have needed in this country. They have been stuck with people like Jessie and Al who do not represent the mainstream of the black community anymore than Beck represents the majority of Americans. Bozo had a chance to place a lot of pride where it belongs, a chance to heal a huge racial divide, a chance to rise up and prove that someone’s color doesn’t matter. But he had other things on his mind that didn’t include any of the above. And I really think, although he is defended strongly by the black electorate, that they are disappointed and feel let down. I don’t think that the next black candidate, whenever that might be, will capture 92% of the black vote. Until someone comes along, whoever that might be, to start to heal the racial divide in this country, we will continue to foster hate, division and malice. So again, I do not think, for the above reasons, that we will have another successful black candidate for president of this country in our lifetime. That’s not being a racist, just a realist.

PearlJam

September 1st, 2010
10:44 am

Folks Glenn Beck addressed this topic in his speech Saturday.
Had minister from all faiths on stage, stated there are many differences in beliefs represented but they all agree:
1. Put Faith 1st
2. Focus on Hope
3. Charity for needed – help your neighbor in need

Doesn’t matter who are, Left or Right, Black or White, Baptist or Mormon, Democrat or Republican, Jew or Christian If more people get back to doing these things our country will be better.
He talked about us focusing to much on our scars (bad things going on), we argue to much over these things, more people need to focus on good and start helping instead of fighting.

Why all the hate for Beck, we and Cynthia should be supporting this message.

Union

September 1st, 2010
10:44 am

granny.. the other estimates were un official estimates by the park department

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
10:44 am

Whiteman

jesus never spoke of abortion, he did say “Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven ; and come, follow Me.” and to the best of my knowledge prayer has not been abolished. (unless it happened
since about 5:30 this morning, last time I prayed)

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
10:45 am

Union

“un” being the key word

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

September 1st, 2010
10:46 am

Overall, it has been 31 months since the recession started and the economy is still losing jobs.

This Labor Day, ask yourself: If America’s strength is indeed a product of the strength of the American worker, what does it tell us about America’s prospects when so many Americans are not working?

In other words, can America work if Americans aren’t working?

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:47 am

Jesus did speak of abortion when he spoke of the importance of life and preservation of it.

Jesus also spoke of the government that taxed and stole from the people. He called them theives. It is different to give (charity) versus it being taken from you.

Jesus following liberal

September 1st, 2010
10:49 am

hey white man. I do not “believe” in abortion, nor do I believe in “over-taxation.” Jesus said to render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s. That means pay your taxes. I would like you define how much is too much. By the way, God is not the sole domain of Christianity.

Cynthia is beautiful

September 1st, 2010
10:49 am

‘One of this country’s many charms is its capacity to weave an assortment of eccentrics into its cultural fabric without being ripped apart by their bizarre sentiments.’ Cynthia, Cynthia, Cynthia…Very well said! You have also successfully woven yourself into the Atlanta culture and beyond. Many of the cultural ‘eccentricities’ you espouse exceed Becks eccentricities and are equally entertaining. As long as our country continues to allow freedom of thought and speech I believe we still have a chance as a nation. When certain viewpoints are demagogued and discouraged, open dialogue dies, and all our freedoms are greatly diminished. Dissenting voices in America now tend to be vilified and extinguished. The vast majority of Americans are intelligent enough to distinguish between common sense, practicality, and extremism of any kind. There is far too much extremism from both the left and the right for most Americans. Our country can no longer afford to be governed by either extreme. This upcoming election may very well be our country’s best chance to oust career politicians of both parties who have long squandered our tax dollars, catering mainly to special interest groups, and done all on the backs of middle America. A congress person running for their 8th, 9th, 10th term or more is a bit much. After 2 terms in Congress very few can be anything but out of touch with all but the beltway and K Street. I have faith in America. I believe many Americans will no longer be swayed by one or two political sound bites and actually vote for someone who is qualified, has a good track record, and will do the right thing by ALL their constituents and not just a few special interests within their own party.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
10:49 am

Whiteman

Show me. Pretend I’m from Missouri.

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:49 am

well ladies and gentleman here is what we learned today: beck is an uneducated mormon who is hell bent on leading America back to its honorable, conservative, christian roots. the president was a muslim in an atheist household who found christianity under the guise of islam. and blacks hate gays while whites hate libs. so if you remember nothing else: WAR is the reason why peace has a chance.

Tommy Maddox

September 1st, 2010
10:51 am

Beck, Beck, Beck…

Beck had a gazillion people at his rally; Rev. Al had 200.

Beck, Beck, Beck…must be getting near November.

Union

September 1st, 2010
10:51 am

and cbs is such an unbiased source for news.. lol

retired early

September 1st, 2010
10:52 am

Anyone who cannot see through Glenn Beck’s facade is not intelligent enough to cast a vote.
I am a white guy and I may not live to see it, but very soon the WASPS will be a minority.The arguments as to who are the most Christian of Christians won’t matter; The voices of all these Believers, obsessed with controlling our lives will finally be silenced.
Oh… Happy Day…

WAR

September 1st, 2010
10:52 am

K71
i gotta go do some actual work. i read your post and understand what you are talking about now. i appreciate that. you didn’t have to explain yourself, but glad you did. and we didn’t need a beer summit to understand each other (although a good cold beer right now would be great!).

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:53 am

Jesus following Christian…so you think our forefathers meant Muslims, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons and Jews when they were referencing God?

John K

September 1st, 2010
10:53 am

So tell me again how the man who would mock a woman who had just suffered a miscarriage is going to lead the country back to integrity?

White Man

September 1st, 2010
10:53 am

I love getting everyone fired up….this is so much fun.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
10:53 am

Union

yes, they do trend conservative.

blackbird13

September 1st, 2010
10:54 am

Whiteman:

Those documents referenced God, not Jesus. And by your logic regarding what you believe to be true of the Founders, then we could also say we are a Slavery nation, or a patriarchal nation, or any number of things which they were in more agreement on than Christianity.
Things change, accept it that and you will not be in the position of defending Christianity when you yourself are clearly not one.

Really Squared??

September 1st, 2010
10:55 am

White Man-

Jesus also said you should pay your taxes to the government.

What I am not sure of is where he set a threshold to be considered over taxation.Don’t see that in any bible I have read

Halftrack

September 1st, 2010
10:55 am

CT, You and other liberals still don’t get it. Beck is calling for all Americans to support Judeo-Christian principles. Treat your fellowman as you want to be treated. Al Sharpton even agrees with that principle. Obama is a Collective Salvation person by his own admission in his campaigns for the WH. Collective Salvation is opposed to basic Christianity which is personal salvation. As for Sarah Palin being a polarizing figure, what was Hillary Clinton? You praise one and disparage the other for the same principles of campaigning, which boils down to your own bias.

Jesus following liberal

September 1st, 2010
10:56 am

If they ment to exclude all others, why didn’t they say Jesus instead of God.

Really Squared??

September 1st, 2010
10:59 am

White Man-
I just read the declaration of independence and saw the word God once….I also saw greator once as well.

Scout

September 1st, 2010
11:02 am

I am getting a little weary of posting this but it is so SIMPLE !!

“NOT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ME LORD, LORD WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.”

Only God knows …………………

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:02 am

Halftrac-
Uhmm…huh…
Collective Salvation-the religious belief that one cannot achieve salvation by himself, unless he is also concerned for the the salvation of his neighbors, and society as a whole

I could swear somewhere in the bible it mentioned saving your fellow man

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:02 am

So I have a few questions for all the liberals on the blog….

* Do you prefer large government or smaller government?
* Do prefer higher taxes or lower taxes?
* Do you believe in liberty.
* Do you believe you get what you earn?

Just a couple of questions….

Ex-Georgian

September 1st, 2010
11:03 am

I wonder why anyone would want to be affiliated with Christianity these days…I used to be a Christian as well, until I lived in Ga. There, I learned that Christians are actually social Darwinists who hate women, the poor, and anyone not like they are.

The entire Bible is full of warnings to “care for the poor.” But the Christians i know HATE the poor, just as Beck does.

It’s so sad, really, that Fox and other media spend billions getting decent people to hate one another, all the while encouraging them to defend the 1% of Americans who have hoarded and stolen all the resources in this nation. It’s amazing how easily Fox manipulates the masses to do the bidding of the obscenely wealthy.

Nowhere is this in more evidence than in Georgia, America’s misogynist, racist pit of hell.

I’m glad I don’t live in your state anymore…Republicans and Southern Baptists have destroyed it and most of you are just fine with that.

One word will save you: Education. But then, that’s a curse word in Georgia! Just like the words “US Constitution,” “Freedom of religion,” and “Caring for the least of these.”

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:03 am

White man…All you right-wing terrorists (see definition of sedition) talk about is race!

Let’s have an example. America refuses to apologize for slavery (WWJD?). What “christian” nation refuses to repent or apologize? nuff’ said. And here’s how perverted your “KKK inspired” religion is. It’s the Right that stands in the way of an apology. But here’s where the “terrorist” part comes in. Black Republicans, once President Obama took office, sent him a letter demanding that he issue a formal apology for the democrats role in slavery! “Christian” “whack jobs” will not support a national apology, but want democrats to apologize. Now, that’s “Enemy of the State” stuff right there.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:03 am

Enter your comments here

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:04 am

So I am a terrorist and a racist? Haha Great one 1ProudVet…Great comeback.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:05 am

Why the h3ll would anyone apologize for something that happened 200 years ago? I never owned a slave and you never were one. Better let go of the past and work on your future.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 1st, 2010
11:05 am

CT, re: your 8:xx post, I would submit it is OK to “question someone’s religion” because in my opinion, god isn’t god either. what do ALL religions have in come (besides the fact they are rooted in superstition and fear of the unknown)? the all have NO hard data or evidence to prove the existence of a supreme being or “intelligent designer”. “faith” in some nebulous, man-made deity is no different than “faith” in Bush’s “belief” Saddam had WMDs, or Iraq was linked to 9/11 (no evidence, proof). religion is a political instrument used to round up Sheeple; often to be slaughtered. ergo, I would submit it is the duty and oblicgation of ALL Americans to be vigiliant in “questioning” the faith of our leaders. I want a rational, critical thinker with his hand on the trigger and not some lemming who “prays” or “talks to god”. as noted, 73 virgins or salvation are both weak excuses for violence in my book.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:06 am

I would accept a simple “thank you” from your side and be done with it.

gmaye

September 1st, 2010
11:06 am

Lets get this straight, Sara Palin daughter is a un wed mother, but you conservatives like beck talking about values and morles

HDB

September 1st, 2010
11:07 am

STONE COLD REALITY September 1st, 2010
10:10 am
“HDB…why put your worth or value in what others say or do. If AMERICA…which is exactly who??….claims its sins…what will that change?”
It could change a LOT!! It could change the VIEW that many Americans have…about a lot of people!!

“If Obama crys that America is racist and should be damned to hell for its sins, will that assuage your anger?”

I’m not angry….but I AM cognizant of the facts of how people were wronged….and those wrongs have yet to be fully addressed…and how people are continuously being wronged by those in control!!

“You must let go of your anger to move forward. Don’t forget, never forget, your ancestors paid too steep a price….sacrificed much too much for that. But make them proud for being the man you CAN be, be a catalyst for liberty and freedom of ALL men, not an adjudicator for the descendants of the sinful. We can all move forward together or fight each other for our version of the past. Its our choice.”

It’s also your choice to RECOGNIZE that people are being wronged….and move towards righting those wrongs!! I’m working towards being one who is righting the wrongs! In order to right the wrong, the wrong must be noted!! Too many have been sacrificed because they have been wronged; those sacrifices must be recognized and the inequities corrected! The first step: ADMITTING that people have been …and are continually being wronged!!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:07 am

What does Palins daughter have to do about Beck? Both her AND him would admit it was a mistake.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
11:08 am

Halftrack

Collective salvation is one of the basic tenets of Judaism….

Jason

September 1st, 2010
11:09 am

WWJD = What Would Jason Do?

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

September 1st, 2010
11:10 am

Geeeze, just ask him out already…Everybody knows you have the hots for him…

CurtJa

September 1st, 2010
11:10 am

Mormonism venerates a false prophet, Joseph Smith, and hence is not a Christian religion/denomination. Glenn Beck is a Mormon, and hence not a Christian. See how easy it is? You don’t even have to delve into the perverse LDS lies regarding Jesus and Lucifer as siblings, etc…

Brian white

September 1st, 2010
11:10 am

Cynthia,I am not a”beck freak” but I watched the rally on c-span,it looked to me that he brought hundreds of thousands of people together from different religions including jews and muslims.Where as pres. Obama drives the same people apart.I will stop short of calling you a hypocrite or a racist as others have but you do seem overly biased and some what of a hater especially when the main cause Beck’s rally was the support of fallen soldiers families,that is something we should all get behind liberals and Conservatives.Although I think you are wrong most of the time thanks for giving your honest opinion.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am

I’m not a full out liberal but I’ll answer the questions anyway
* Do you prefer large government or smaller government?
* Do prefer higher taxes or lower taxes?
* Do you believe in liberty.
* Do you believe you get what you earn?

Small or large is relative, if the needs I feel need to be served by the government, are served by the government, then sizes doesn’t matter

Taxation is the same as size. The government has a job to do just like everyne else and needs to be financed. I see no major tax difference between 36% and 39% in real dollars

Of course I believe in liberty. I have the same liberties now that I had in 2004, that I had in 1998. Not real sure why all conservatives think all liberals are trying to take ur liberties. What liberties have you lost?

I do believe you get what you earn. Again, not all liberals are on welfare, Warren Buffet is a liberal, pretty sure he doesn’t know where a welfare office is. On the other hand I know some conservatives that do

Big D

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am

HDB…who is being wronged …Today….continually.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am

White Man, I am not a liberal, but can I play?

1 – I like smaller government, which includes the DoD (unecessary, wasteful, counter-productive wars).

2 – I prefer lower taxes, and I do not see the difference between taxing Americans to fund pork, or borrowing money from China to fund pork. there is no difference between “tax and spend” and “no tax and spend”.

3 – I do not believe in “liberty” liberty is a card trick used to control people. it is a concept, and homo sapiens cannot grasp the concept.

4 – I do not believe “you get what you earn”. you get what you get, or you get what you take by force. again, if I build a bicycle and sell it, or purchase a bicyle and re-sell it, I supposed I have “earned” whatever profits exist when the transactions close. BUT, does some Wall Street cowboy who sells hawks derivitives (knowing he is selling bad paper) “earn” the $10 million commission he “gets” from his employer?

HDB

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am

So I have a few questions for all the liberals on the blog….

* Do you prefer large government or smaller government?
Answer: EFFECTIVE Government…one that protects the rights of the people, maintains a safety net for those who need it, creates the right atmosphere for growth…..personal and economic!

* Do prefer higher taxes or lower taxes?
Answer:PROPER taxation – higher taxes in times of war to pay for the war effort; progressive tax rates

* Do you believe in liberty. Answer: Who doesn’t??

* Do you believe you get what you earn? If all is EQUAL….but we know that equality does not completely exist……..

Just sayin’…..

Hankie Aron

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am

Guys, Guys,
CT only writes this nonsense (which she is paid to do and has full right to do so because it’s HER unbalanced opinion column) because the tide has turned on the Liberals and she has to defend them by calling Glenn Beck names because Lord knows the Liberals are getting buried on the issues. Face it people, 2/3 of the country is conservative. Disagree if you want, Thank God it’s your right to do so, but don’t cry when November is a bloodbath and 2012 is a landslide. Remember Scott Brown won in Ted Kennedy’s backyard

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
11:14 am

kayaker 71

85000

get real

From Huffpo:
Sky News: 500,000
NBC News: 300,000
D.C. Official: 300,000-325,000
Glenn Beck: 300,000-500,000
ABC News: 100,000+
CBS News: 87,000

Can Granny Godzilla get anything correct?

Words and Definitions

September 1st, 2010
11:14 am

Funny how people like to identify themselves as “Christian” when the opportunity some sort of public personal gain suites the occasion; but divorce themselves of those ideals when going about their own agendas in the shadows.

Today, it seems anyone can “call” themselves a “Christian”…especially when there are so many definitions of what that really means floating around. The Holy Bible clearly gives the ONLY true definition and there is but one judge to decide whether the Obama’s, Beck’s and anyone in this world truly is a Christian…and that is God himself. The bottom line is that if you do not believe the Scriptures and abide by them…you will find the intolerant side of God.

The days of everything being “PC” and that people should be so “tolerant” about everything has given our nation the backbone of a jellyfish! The Founding Fathers looked to the Scriptures to find wisdom in how to govern (they have been etched in stone saying so all over DC!), but unfortunately our politicians today are “too smart” for such “antiquated thinking”…

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:14 am

Some people are stupid….That is actually a very good post. Although you avoided to answer all of the questions. Tell me this….what is the role of the federal government?

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:15 am

White man….It’s your “heritage” The KKK, under the guise of “White Christian purity” (”I want my country back”). committed terrorist acts for decades that your party celebrates (and refuse to apologize for). Remember? Rep Gov. Bob McDonnell issued proclamation celebrating the Confederacy. Initially left the legacy of slavery out. He also gave a response to President Obama’s second SOTU for the former headquarters of the Confederacy. Check your party! They seem to think you’re a party of racists.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

White Man-

What question did I avoid. You asked my opinion and I gave it to you.

Their role is defined in the US Constitution

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Who is “they”?

Goldie

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, Ted Haggard, Glenn Beck — all mighty fine hucksters for the right-wing extremists!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Ok is healthcare in the US Constitution?

Hankie Aron

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Words- you are right no one can judge who is a Christian and who is not, only God can. But if you call yourself a Christian you definately cannot pick and choose which parts you will abide by and which you will not. It’s all or nothing

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:18 am

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:18 am

BTW….I am actually black….I just like making conversation.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
11:20 am

Big D

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am
HDB…who is being wronged …Today….continually.

Those who keep saying that liberals don’t want the best for the nation are wronging those liberals who do! Those who keep saying that black people don’t believe in hard work and education are wronging those who have accomplished those who have achieved by that pathway! Those who keep saying that conservaticves have the only correct thought patterns and the only way are wronging those who have achieved through progressive ideas and pathways!!

There’re more ways to succeed than just the conservative pathways….there are progressive policies that made this nation better!!

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
11:21 am

Wahoo

as i pointed out to union

“un” was the key word in unofficial estimates

how about Michele Bachmann 1 million 600 thousand…..

and it’s not like they don’t have a history of inflating numbers….what was the one recently were Hannity’s team used footage from rally A to prove attendance at rally B?

300,000 Piffle.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:21 am

HDB….That was actually a pretty good post….good job.

Words and Definitions

September 1st, 2010
11:21 am

@ Hankie…

I agree, and your point is?

Scout

September 1st, 2010
11:21 am

Make your own decision:

“In many important ways, the religion differs from orthodoxy as held by Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christianity. To those for whom Christianity is defined by that orthodoxy, Mormonism’s differences place it outside the umbrella of Christianity altogether.

Mormons believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Messiah, the crucifixion as a final offering and his resurrection. However, Latter Day Saints reject the ecumenical creeds and definition of the Trinity taught by the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Anglican Communion, and Trinitarian Protestantism.

Founder Joseph Smith Jr. was a Judeophile who in the earliest days of Mormonism taught that the Indigenous peoples of the Americas were members of some of the Lost Tribes of Israel.

The Mormon church teaches two kinds of salvation, neither of which can be found in the Bible. One of these kinds of salvation is an unconditional or general salvation which comes by grace alone without any obedience to gospel law and consists in the mere fact of being resurrected after death.

The second kind of salvation taught by the Mormon Church is a conditional or individual salvation. This salvation also comes by grace, but requires gospel obedience, is based on works and consists of reaching a higher level of heaven, the highest being the Celestial Kingdom of God.

The Bible contains many verses on the subject of salvation, yet not one of them speaks of the two kinds of salvation taught by the Mormon church.”

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:22 am

Only congress can declare war. Did that stop George Bush?

USMC DAWG

September 1st, 2010
11:22 am

“Some say Cynthia Tucker is a Racist, Bigoted, Moron”

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:23 am

White Man-

I knew that was the next question. This is why I consider conservatives hypocrites most of the time. It’s not my job to determine whether something is constituitonal or not. The constitution tells you who’s job that is. Its the judiciary branch. IF the Judges say something is constitutional, then it is constitutional and an allowable duty of the federal goverment. I could say all day that something is unconstitutional, but if the Supreme COurt says it is, then I am wrong.

Healthcare will have its day in court.
Welfare- Per Helering V Davis is constitutional and thus is allowable

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:24 am

Can everyone just stop using the word “racist”. It hold absolutely no weight anymore.

Lola

September 1st, 2010
11:25 am

Wahoo
September 1st, 2010
11:14 am

Glenn Beck: 300,000-500,000

So what does that number mean? There were 100,00 at the Atlanta Gay Pride last year. There were 500,000 at the Chicago Pride. So even if Back says it was 300,000 that doesn’t sound too impressive to me.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:26 am

Some People are Stupid….Again, not answering the question. A judges interpretation or opinion does not make a subject constitutional. Legally maybe but not actually.

I am just saying the more power we give to our federal government, the more power they have to take freedoms away. It is not the governments role to be in healthcare and I have about a million reasons for making that comment.

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
11:31 am

Granny, I don’t watch Hannity and I try to avoid Bachmann.

I don’t care too much for Beck’s show, but I thought the content of his message was a positive one this weeekend. However, I find it interesting that you seem so intent on disagreeing with multiple media sources that estimated how popular the event was, and YOUR number is lower than the estimates from all three networks and several other media sources.

Based on most sources, it is you who are spouting the piffle. I doubt that most of us who read the blog regularly are the least bit surprised.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:32 am

White man…Is warrantless wiretapping in the Constitution?

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:32 am

Wahoo…..GREAT POST!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:33 am

1ProudVet….Didnt you comment earlier that is the federal governments responsiblity to keep the citizens safe?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:34 am

White Man
A judges interpretation or opinion does not make a subject constitutional. Legally maybe but not actually.

That statement makes no sense…what are the judges jobs..to determine if something is constitutional.

How about a new approach…where do you determine if something is constitutional or not?

The hyperbole with helathcare. What role does the goverment play in healthcare? There will be a mandate that everyone has to have healthcare..ok..the constitutionality on that will have its day in court..you are buying the insurance from where…the government…oh no…you are buying it from a PRIVATE company…so what role is the goverment doing in regards to healthcare..if you already have coverage, the mandate didn’t really apply to you..still waiting on you to tell me what liberties this goverment has taken from you.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:34 am

I have nothing to hide….do you?

Owl

September 1st, 2010
11:35 am

Substitute “Harry Reid” with “Glen Beck” in this article and you’ll see how sad it is to be stuck in Cynthia’s world. Being a Morman isn’t is scary as she thinks.

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
11:35 am

Lola,

The number means what it means.

“So even if Back says it was 300,000 that doesn’t sound too impressive to me.”

You can be as unimpressed as you like. If you interpret my post as a tacit expression of “impressiveness”, you are divining something beyond what I have written.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:36 am

Louis Farrakhan got 500,000 on the mall in ‘95. And that was a “black men only” event. And, unlike Palin/Beck, that black Muslim acknowledged Jesus!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:36 am

Some people are stupid…SERIOUSLY?!?! Are you gullable enough to believe that. The fact is that it will be cheaper for most current insurance companies and employers to pay a government mandated fine rather than supply insurance. So guess who will then have to provide that insurance? The entire system and bill was flawed. Let me ask you this? How are we going to afford this healthcare bill?

Thomas

September 1st, 2010
11:38 am

White Man
September 1st, 2010
10:36 am
I dont think Jesus would agree with abortion, I dont think Jesus would agree with over taxation of the people, I don’t think Jesus would agree with abolishment of prayer. Where in the world do you get your ideas from????

And so White Man comes full circle. So what would Jesus say about healthcare and welfare? (Two things you seem to disagree with…)

Lola

September 1st, 2010
11:39 am

Wahoo
September 1st, 2010
11:35 am

Then stop dwelling on it. Move on.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:40 am

Thomas….what is your point?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:41 am

White Man-

The hyperbole again…if your company drops your insurance…then who was responsible before you had a job..you…I though you were about personal responsibility.. I have my own business…I don’t plan on dropping my group insurance…But lets take a look at this one sentence.

So guess who will then have to provide that insurance?

So what I see is you associate your company paying for private insurance with the government providing personal insurance…the provider of insurance didn’t change, whether you pay for it, your company pays for it, or the goverment.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:43 am

I once had an moron from the Right write me saying that America is a “Republic” meaning that if ONE person disagrees with something a President does, that makes what he does “Tyranny.”

That’s what the Secessionists thought.

sedition, I tell you.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:45 am

Some People are Stupid….Again not true….Currently an employee pays a portion of the insurance costs that are shared with the company. It does change…Because at some point we will all be responsible for paying the insurance and medical costs of the uninsured today.

Big D

September 1st, 2010
11:45 am

Hdb…
I see those things on a metaphorical plane..things up for interpretation with no true mandate from a government or controlling entity. I guess I was thinking from some of your other posts that there was still a segment of American society that was somehow being misused or not adequately represented in the ability to rise above what ever station they were born to.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:47 am

That’s why Ronald Reagan gave the speech in Philadelphia MS. He and Cheney also supported Apartheid

Jack

September 1st, 2010
11:48 am

If you are gonna consider what you get from movies as wisdom, you got a problem.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:51 am

White Man-
Depends on the job. Must first employer paid 100% of my insurance.

Because at some point we will all be responsible for paying the insurance and medical costs of the uninsured today.

Uhmm do we not do that now…What do you think they do with those ER cost for indigent people. The pass them on to those who pay. As far as the changing goes, the provider didn’t change. Thats the point I was trying to stress..The law didn’t say governement was providing health insurance…the law said that a subsidy would be given to “PURCHASE” health insurance… The Provider didn’t change.. If I have BCBS now…lost my job…got a government subsidy…my insurance provider, would still be BCBS…I technically pay my own health insurance…got the same provider I had when I worked for a company…

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
11:52 am

Lola,

First, I’m not dwelling on it. You are again guilty of divining things in my post. I’m making a point that Granny, as usual, is the person spouting piffle. I’m sorry something that obvious has eluded you.

Second, this is an open blog. I wouldn’t need to abide by your directive to “stop dwelling on it” even if I were guilty of doing so.

If you have a meaningful contribution to make, I invite you to make it. Have a nice day.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:52 am

Oh, and did you know Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants?

You Right wingers should be quiet. White Democrats are perfect foil. Pursuing you terrorists is like trying catch Osama Bin Laden after he fled into the country with largest Muslim population on earth.

Problem? the population is sympathetic to his views!

Dearie

September 1st, 2010
11:55 am

“Her (Sarah Palin) approval rating hovers in the mid-30s.”
Gosh – isn’t that what President Obama rating is????

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:56 am

1ProudVet…You should be proud…you just won the award for biggest idiot of the day! Great job.

ButtHead

September 1st, 2010
11:57 am

I love the hypocrisy of CT, when they do something she does not like, gay day at Disney the southern Baptist protested, CT went crazy at how stupid and irrelevant the southern Baptist are. But wait they say something she can capitalize on suddenly they are relevant, why is that CT? Your loser leftist attitude is showing CT…..

Rusty

September 1st, 2010
11:58 am

I love how Cynthia comes on here and tries to counter the overwhelming number of people who don’t share her viewpoint with “read what I wrote and try hard to comprehend the meaning,” as if it’s Proust and not moronic drivel.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:58 am

Owl…Beck preaches “sedition” for profit. Question: Why does a man who made 30 million last year need to “raise” money for anything? And, he used the money raised to pay costs of holding the event. It’s called a, “shakedown”

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
12:01 pm

Think about it…Obama passed a bill full of Republican ideas (mandate was their counter to Hillarycare). Can’t wait to see Romney run against his own bill.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:03 pm

If Beck keeps Tucker’s panties in a wad for this long, he must be doing something right.

gmaye

September 1st, 2010
12:04 pm

White man, this is whats wrong with you conservatives you try to have it both ways, How can you go around like Silly Sara does and preach morales and values to the world and your daughter does not listen to you.

Boy, let that had of been one of Obama daughter oh my god, Beck, Hannity, Rush would have talked about it to the end of time.

One good thing about most Blacks, latinos,Mexicans, you can not Pimp us like Beck, Hannity, Rush does with poor white People.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
12:04 pm

White man..great job..now take your backward ass back to Hannity/Beck/Limbaugh and get your new talking points.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:05 pm

But of course, what else would she write about? The democrats are completely in charge and they suck. What’s she going to do? Write abut the abject failure of liberal policies?

So go ahead Tucker. (It’s amazing how many people on this blog freely use the term “cracker”. I wonder how long I would last if I started using the “N” word.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
12:05 pm

You have been pimped since the beginning of time hahahaaha.

old-timer

September 1st, 2010
12:06 pm

Obama is a Christian and Beck isn’t……Who made anyone on earth judge and jury…..

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:07 pm

gmaye

“One good thing about most Blacks, latinos,Mexicans, you can not Pimp us like Beck, Hannity, Rush does with poor white People.”

95% of Blacks support Obama without question. Now who is being pimped?

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
12:07 pm

White man? Was how the Supreme Court “appointed” Bush in the Constitution?

White Man

September 1st, 2010
12:08 pm

Nothing is Free…………GREAT, WONDERFUL, EXACT POST!!!! BEST OF THE DAY!

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
12:08 pm

“One good thing about most Blacks, latinos,Mexicans, you can not Pimp us like Beck, Hannity, Rush does with poor white People.”

gmaye, I don’t know if that was meant to be funny, but it sure was. Thanks for the laugh.

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
12:10 pm

“White man? Was how the Supreme Court “appointed” Bush in the Constitution?”

This is a funny blog.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
12:10 pm

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:12 pm

White Man

1ProudVet seems to be a bit angry this morning. He must see how hopeless the liberal agenda is becoming.

Libs are so angry nowadays. And the Beck crowd policed the DC mall and cleaned up their own trash. That didn’t happen for the million man march. It took almost a week just to clean up the trash.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
12:13 pm

Nothing is Free….I know I guess he just woke up angry and decided to vent here on this blog.

That is the fundamental difference between the races. One accepts self responsiblity and the others do not.

ken

September 1st, 2010
12:15 pm

If you support abortion, you are not a Christian. You cannot be a half Christian. Thou shall not kill.

Joe Smith

September 1st, 2010
12:16 pm

Cynthia……you get more and more irrelevant everyday. But, that would assume that you were ever relevant in the first place. BTW – did you listen to Glen Back the other morning when he started his show reading your column about him?? they were all laughing so hard they just about came out of their chair……laughing along with the rest of the country that is.

willie lynch

September 1st, 2010
12:16 pm

Since the belief in these religions requires a suspension of logic and good sense it is no suprise Glen Beck and Palin can draw an audience.

kevinbgoode

September 1st, 2010
12:17 pm

Wahoo sez: “Sky News: 500,000
NBC News: 300,000
D.C. Official: 300,000-325,000
Glenn Beck: 300,000-500,000
ABC News: 100,000+
CBS News: 87,000
——————————————————-

Ya left out Michelle Bachmann’s claim of 1,000,000. . .later revised to 1, 600,000.

The only thing I observed about the numbers is that there were fewer people at The Beckoning than attended three national gay rights marches on Washington.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:19 pm

gmaye

Which demographic is taking it the hardest during this Democratically engineered recession? And you say you aren’t being pimped? LOL!! You are not only being used by the democrats, you are being screwed by the Democrats. And you claim that conservatives are being pimped. LOL!!! That’s like a federal prisoner telling a guard that the guard is actually the prisoner. LOL!!!!

Take pride in your servitude to the Democratic Plantation. After all, look at how much the democrats have helped Black People. Helped them be the poorest and less educated of all the American Demographics.

kevinbgoode

September 1st, 2010
12:19 pm

Nothing is free sez: “Libs are so angry nowadays. And the Beck crowd policed the DC mall and cleaned up their own trash. That didn’t happen for the million man march. It took almost a week just to clean up the trash.”
—————————————————————–
Well, the gays not only cleaned up their trash after four national marches, but planted flowers.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
12:22 pm

old-timer…Jesus judged such things…And according to him, you show your “Christianity” by how you treat others.

Matt. 23:23, Jesus, rebuking the Pharisees, says, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.”

Glenn Beck cast doubt on Obama’s salvation based on his belief in the “collective” and “social justice.” God calls His church, the “body” of Christ That’s “collective.”

See, like, Beck, who was judging Obama’s salvation based on what he deemed “faulty” theology.

Beck belongs to white supremacist cult (didn’t they also support polygamy?).

Union

September 1st, 2010
12:25 pm

“Well, the gays not only cleaned up their trash after four national marches, but planted flowers”

:)

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:25 pm

kevinbgoode

Planing flowers is good. And gays aren’t usually as blind as other liberal demographics. They understand that they are also being used by the dims and sometimes they actually speak up about it.

There is hope for gays. After 40 years of liberal broken promises, at least gays have enough sense to realize what criminals the democrats really are.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
12:26 pm

Nothing Is Free September 1st, 2010
12:07 pm
“gmaye

“One good thing about most Blacks, latinos,Mexicans, you can not Pimp us like Beck, Hannity, Rush does with poor white People.”

95% of Blacks support Obama without question. Now who is being pimped?”

NiF – It’s not being pimped when you don’t have any OPTIONS!! GOP doesn’t think I exist!! Plus, the GOP platform is antithetical to me….so, who’s getting pimped??

kevinbgoode

September 1st, 2010
12:26 pm

granny sez: “and it’s not like they don’t have a history of inflating numbers….what was the one recently were Hannity’s team used footage from rally A to prove attendance at rally B?”

————————————————-

Conservatives tend to believe that, just like their votes and their opinions should be counted twice, their attendance at anything must be doubled. Then the lawn chairs have to be counted as well.

Soames

September 1st, 2010
12:27 pm

I don’t understand what liberals have to fear from Beck. He’ll never be anything other than an entertainer because he chooses to alienate half the country on a daily basis. Same with Palin. Divide and conquer…that’s politics in America

We are such a bitter, divisive people these days. Can’t we all celebrate and embrace our differences? I’m glad everyone else isn’t just like me or the world would be a boring place full of motorcycles..LOL

CT comparing Beck to Coughlin makes about as much sense as the wingnuts comparing Obama to Hitler…

Andrew @ 8:51 made a good point. Most Christians do not subscribe to black liberation theology.

Regarding our Founding Father’s – at the time of the writing of our Constitution, most of the big names like Jefferson were Deists and believed in Natural Law and prescribed to John Locke’s ideology. The world is nothing like it was back then and the Church does not project power like it did in the past thanks to Hobbes, Locke & Rousseau who pretty much invented liberalism or the form of liberalism that we see today. One intersting thing to note is that several of these great men converted to Christianity later in life and it is apparent in their later writings.

This country was not founded on Christianity, but if you believe in Natural Law & “Nature’s God”, I’d call that a form of Christianity..but that’s another argument for another day.

Society has become progressively more wicked and I think that is attributed to the lack of people walking in God’s footsteps, me included. I wish to be less like Peter and more like Paul.

God bless you all, even those who deny Him.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:28 pm

1ProudVet

So you spend the entire post explaining how wrong Beck is for judging Obama on what he believes and then you falsely claim that he is a white supremacist.

This kind of logic is why you have elected the worst government in our history. My God man, have you no brains at all?

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
12:31 pm

I bet you idiots are at work doing this. Failure of liberal agenda? Who said I was a liberal? What did you “stop?”You terrorists are hilarious. This is what Hannity/Beck/:Limbaugh do all day! A man wins by 8 million votes and it’s “tyranny!” 24/7 from you terrorists. You yucks yell “fire” in a crowded theater.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:33 pm

HDB

So you need a political party to pander to your demographic before you will consider leaving the democratic plantation?

Not going to happen. Republicans see you as a fellow American, not a Black man. As long as you tie yourself down with your own race, you probably should stay with the people that have been using you all these years. The democrats are your party, Pal.

When you are ready to be looked at as a man instead of a demographic, come on over. As long as you want to be treated like you are owned, stay with the democrats. They will tell you how much they love you every day.

willie lynch

September 1st, 2010
12:36 pm

It amazes me how many people consider the idea that the U.S. Govt. could be complicit in the murders of U.S. citizens, the destruction of U.S. properties and other violation crazy conspiracy talk. Yet they believe a man walked on water, fed a multitude with a couple of fish, made a blind man see and rose from the dead to be factual.

This is why any nonsense can pass for fact with man and any fool can draw a crowd. There’s a sucker born every minute.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:36 pm

kevinbgoode

granny used the term “Cracker” this morning.

Sorry, I don’t care what a racist claims about anything.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:37 pm

we must destroy capitalism and embrace socialism

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:38 pm

Wahoo

I do often shout piffle…in reaction to piffle posted.
There is loads of piffle posted here regularly.

Now about that count, CBS commissioned an independent source who use
actual scientific method to estimate the crowd size.

here’s some specifics

here are some specifics

or I suppose rather than trusting tried and true scientific methods you good simple accept a number someone pulled out of their bum, because you are overly tied into the ideology.

Wondering ?

September 1st, 2010
12:38 pm

CT’s continues to show why the AJC’s circulation is in the toilet

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:39 pm

willie lynch

You anti-religious people are hysterical.

Go back 200 years and tell anyone that we would be communicating with a box that we all have where we can communicate anywhere in the world in seconds.

We just all understand technology that you will never get. Open your mind, Pal.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
12:39 pm

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:33 pm
HDB

So you need a political party to pander to your demographic before you will consider leaving the democratic plantation? Republicans see you as a fellow American….

No…they don’t! IF they did..why is the “Southern Strategy” still being used…making the South a monolithic, white voting bloc? Why is the GOP virtually all-white? Why does the GOP use as examples those minorities who have prospered….and were assisted by programs like Affirmative Action? Why does the GOP wish to eliminate those programs that granted access and progress to those that heretofore were denied??

I’ve asked this question and no conservative can understand it: Have you ever been black and unemployed in a Republican Administration?? Since I know that you haven’t…then you don’t really see the truth!! Not an angry statement….but just the facts!!

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:40 pm

sorry my link did not work

here goes:

As part of our coverage of Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally Saturday, CBS News commissioned the company AirPhotosLive.com to offer an independent estimate of how many people showed up for the event. AirPhotosLive.com calculated that there were approximately 87,000 people there, plus or minus 9,000 people. It was the only scientific estimate made of the number of people at the rally.

The estimate generated criticism from conservative bloggers as well as from Beck himself, who suggested the rally attracted at least 500,000 people.

“The media can diminish the crowd side all they want, but the images speak for themselves,” Beck said on his Fox News show Monday.

In order to bring more clarity to the crowd estimation process, Hotsheet asked Curt Westergard, the president of AirPhotosLive.com, to discuss his methods. Westergard’s company has done aerial imaging for the U.S. border patrol, the Department of Homeland Security, companies building skyscrapers and cell phone companies trying to decide where to build their towers, among others.

“People hire us to get a really detailed view of what’s on the ground,” he said.

The company sometimes uses these images for crowd estimates, both generating its own estimates and partnering with Professor Stephen Doig of Arizona State University, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and crowd estimate expert, to come up with figures. For President Obama’s inauguration last year, the company worked with Doig and GeoEye satellite data to generate a crowd estimate on behalf of CNN that was cited by the Associated Press and other news outlets.

To calculate attendance at the Beck rally, AirPhotosLive.com used what is called a surveillance aerostat balloon to take pictures from both above the event and closer to the ground. In the video above, which was provided by the company, you can see some of the images used to come up with a figure.

The balloon, Westergard said, gave the company the capacity to move up and down, allowing it to photograph people who were standing beneath trees in addition to taking photos from high above.

Glenn Beck Rally Attracts Estimated 87,000
Glenn Beck: My Rally had “Minimum of 500,000 People”
Glenn Beck: “Something Beyond Imagination is Happening”
Sights and Sounds: Glenn Beck & Al Sharpton Rallies
“We took a lot of shots under the trees and higher up by just changing the balloon altitude,” he said. “So what might have been a negative with an airplane and certainly a negative with a satellite was a very strong position with a balloon.”

Though there was restricted airspace on the south side of the reflecting pool, airspace was not restricted where the crowd was gathered, allowing the company to position the balloon in “the very center of the crowd – dead in the middle of it,” Westergard said.

The photos were taken at noon, which Beck’s representatives suggested would be the peak of the event, which ran from 10 AM to slightly after 1 PM. Taking the pictures then meant counting both those who were late to the event because of subway or traffic delays and those who left early to avoid the crowds afterward.

The company generated its own estimate and asked Doig to separately one on his own. Though Doig and AirPhotosLive.com employ slightly different methodologies, both use a method that involves laying grids over the high-resolution images and counting the density per unit of each grid cell. Westergard provided the image below to help show how the estimates are made. It’s of a Tea Party Express event on April 15th that the company calculated attracted 4,436 people.

(Credit: AirPhotosLive.com) Doig estimated that there were 80,000 people at the “Restoring Honor” rally, while AirPhotosLive.com estimated that there were 87,000 people, a statistically insignificant different since the margin of error was 9,000. CBS News elected to use the higher estimate.

In a blog post, Doig, writing from Portugal, noted that he estimated the crowd at Mr. Obama’s inauguration at roughly 800,000 – a number critics assailed as too low.

“Crowd counting, particularly of political events, always is controversial,” he wrote. “The organizers of the event inevitably hype their crowd estimate — often grossly — to demonstrate the popularity of their cause, and opponents inevitably underestimate to fit their own agenda. Because of the wild pre-inauguration predictions of how many would attend in person — up to 5 million! — my reality-based estimate was ignored by many left-wing commentators and embraced by those on the right.”

Washington Unplugged: Was the Rally a Political or Religious Revival?
Glenn Beck Assails Obama’s Religion
Sarah Palin at Glenn Beck Rally: “We Must Restore America!”
Dr. Alveda King: Beck Isn’t a “Racist”

He added: “The frothing underscores the problem with hyped predictions of crowd size. Organizers and supporters are forced to insist loudly that the actual crowd met or exceeded their expectations, for fear that the realistic estimate will be painted as a disappointment. The time-honored way to dismiss scientific estimates that don’t reflect the pre-event hype is to claim political bias on the part of those doing the estimate. I am amused to see that those who embraced my Obama inauguration estimate as soberly realistic are now attacking the Beck rally estimate, produced using exactly the same methods, as deliberately biased.”

On his Fox News show, Beck used an Associated Press photo taken from the Washington Monument to support his claim that there were at least 500,000 people at the event. He said that, looking at the photo, it was obvious that a nearly mile-long area was nearly completely filled with people, evidence that the CBS News-commissioned estimate was far too low.

But Westergard said it’s a mistake to try to count crowds that way, and noted, as you can see in the video above, that people bunched in front of jumbo-trons and did not tightly fill out the entire area.

“You really have to have a position overhead to count it well, and if you use a very oblique angle from the top of the Washington Monument, the sparse areas – and there were many because of people with blankets and chairs – tend to look more dense because you’re looking at it from the edge,” he said. “We instead are looking at it from above. And that perspective is essential. Anything less than that is sort of like guessing how many people are in a line by just looking at them through a doorway, for example.”

Westergard, who said he has received hundreds of hate mails and angry phone calls over the estimate of the Beck rally, also pointed to this link showing roughly 400 photos the company took at the rally, arranged spatially. Many of these photos were used in generating the two estimates.

You’ll have to google it yourself to see the photos

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:41 pm

granny godzilla

“we must destroy capitalism and embrace socialism”"

Are all socialist racist or do some not use the term “cracker” to describe other humans.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
12:41 pm

Granny Godzilla,

I have heard numerous quotes from the ‘Reverend’ Wright. But I will tell you, all I need to know is that this man used the Lord’s name in vain IN THE PULPIT. In all my years in church I HAVE NEVER heard a preacher come close to speaking that way. YES that is an AMAZING AMOUNT OF HATE. So if you deny that…..shame on you ma’am.

willie lynch

September 1st, 2010
12:42 pm

The term “cracker” comes from the language of the kidnapping victims called slaves. It was used to identify the man who wielded the whip and it described the sound made by said instrument. It’s usage in todays vernacular is rare but could still be seen as accurate in many cases.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
12:42 pm

Nothing is free..Did you look up “sedition” It’s in the Constitution. He’s guilty of it. The bible says you’re judged by how you judge others. Hey, i works. Mormon, support(ed) polygamy stuck their noses in the Prop 8 fight in CA. See, hypocrites can’t help themselves. You obviously are a person confuses being “white” with being “Christian.”because you know know Zero about the Word. I bet you’re at work on the internet, “stealing” from your employer.

You can yell that garbage all you want

Bush will always be remembered for being on vacation for a month in Texas after he was briefed on Bin Laden. He did not catch Bin Laden.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
12:43 pm

NiF – What demographic is most adversely affected by the recession? MEN!! What demographic is most adversely affected by a recession in a Republican Administration? Educated, BLACK men!! (that’s from EXPERIENCE!
What demographic has been most positively affected by Affirmative Action? WHITE WOMEN!!

In some cases, you HAVE to look at the demographics to discover the truth!!

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:43 pm

be advised that i am a complete moron
disregard any of the facts i make up and post on this blog

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

September 1st, 2010
12:45 pm

Of course he’s a Christian – Check out the Mormon’s name it has Christ in it. I guess Dale Murphy’s not a Christian either? PLEASE, I am a Southern Baptist and I am embarassed by this. Jeeze, if you want to get on a religion, try the looney Muslims, who only let Muslims live in Mecca. Do you think Utah only has Mormons?

I see Cindy you are still on the love fest with Glenn Beck – two blogs in a row….mmm, mmm, mmm.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:46 pm

Nothing is Free

You haven’t changed the least little bit have you?

I used a quote from a film that used that term, any attempt to claim that I have ever used that term in relationship to anything but cheddar cheese is way out of line.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
12:46 pm

Granny Godzilla,

FYI…..I know your schtick of instigating just to get a raise out of someone. Also, liberal always change the subject rather that discuss something on the merits, so I am not surprised you want to change the subject of what happened at this rally to a useless discussion of how many people were there. It’s fun to dissect liberalism 101….God bless you

Avenger

September 1st, 2010
12:47 pm

Kayaker. I wouldn’t brag too much about America’s honor. We once had bigots running the country. I wouldn’t brag too much about honoring the constitution – the bigot wiped their butts with it.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

September 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

1ProudVet – What will Nobama be remembered for? LYING to get elected.
“Hope and Change”, my ass.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

HDB

Everything you just wrote is based on something racial.

Stay with the democrats, Pal. You need to be where a lot of Black people are still comfortable. The Democrats are going to pity you for being Black every single day. They are going to tell you how much they love you and want to help you. They have racist writers like Ms Tucker to tell you how good the democrats are to you and how lucky you are that white democrats still love you.

The Republicans don’t care if you are Black or White. If you start looking at the results of the racist Democratic policies have done to Black people instead of looking at the promises, you will start to be ready to leave the plantation. But until then, the field masters will continue to explain how lucky you are to have the love of the Party of George Wallace.

You need to stay on the plantation. You are not even close to having what it takes to leave the plantation.

When you can construct a paragraph about politics and not include anything about race, you will be ready to put the democrats behind you. Until then, sorry Pal. You obviously need to be a democrat.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
12:49 pm

Don’t waste your time with Avenger…

barking frog

September 1st, 2010
12:50 pm

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:37 pm
we must destroy capitalism and embrace socialism
————————————————————
done that.

willie lynch

September 1st, 2010
12:50 pm

Nothing is free,

You ask me to open my mind. To what? Can you explain these happenings outside the context of a scriptural belief?

I would argue that the closed mind is the one that refuses to accept the fact that for millions of years life has exsisted and clings to a maddening theology of the world being created 6000 years ago.

Wake up please!

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:50 pm

granny Godzilla

Not that I would ever do it, but would it be OK for me to start posting quotes from “Birth of a Nation”?

Using it as a quote means that you said it.

Once again, fess up to what you say and do. The rest of us have to.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:52 pm

BillBob

No he did not.

in vain means to no avail.

He used it, and it was not in vain. God damns people and nations for their sins doesn’t he? Rev Wright pointed out the obvious.

Real strength of character is required to admit that America has done some awful things.

Do you have it?

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:54 pm

willie lynch

Almost everyone I know is a Christian and none believe that the earth was created 6,000 years ago.

Once again, the problem with people like you is that they never stop preaching long enough to check up on what they are preaching.

There are few people who like to preach about what they believe more than an atheist.

I rarely see any religious people coming on these blogs to preach, but you MFs think that every blog is your personal pulpit. We are sick of it. The only one trying to force others to believe what they believe is you.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
12:55 pm

Nothing for free…That “whites picked up their stuff up, while it took four days to clean up after blacks” is an old an obvious right-wing lie that I’ve heard about five variations of since Obama was Democratic nominee. Oh, wait, you probably just got that lie from Limbaugh. Were you at the Million Man march? Liar!!! It was still bigger than Beck’s rally. Notice: GOP has done nothing for two years! Oh, they voted for TARP under Bush, which is what Tea Party was supposed to angry about. Now Republicans are touting the give away.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
12:55 pm

Granny,
Once again you are changing the subject, do you deny the hate spewed from this man’s mouth….to our current President’s ears for 20 YEARS?

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:56 pm

NIF

Yes of course. Or To Kill a Mockingbird.

The adults will understand the context.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

September 1st, 2010
12:56 pm

Granny – Come back to reality – I think we all know what Rev Wrong meant. Rev Wrong is not a Mormon he’s a MORON! Only the blacks are taken in by this man of God. It doesn’t take anything to be a reverend in the black community, does it?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
12:57 pm

Billybob-
I asked you earlier, did you read the entire post regarding what Rev. Wright said…or just the sound bite?

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:57 pm

BillyBob

Ah, no I did not change the subject – I hit it head on.

And yes I deny Rev Wright spewed hate.

Instead I posit you read in hate where there is none.

and that sir, is a personality disorder you will have to deal with.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
12:59 pm

Ok, we can continue I am back.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:00 pm

granny godzilla

Wright is a racist and he makes his living off being a racist.

No surprise that you support him.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
1:00 pm

White man Get your lazy ass back to work and stop stealing from your employer.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 1st, 2010
1:01 pm

granny, and to your 12:52 I would, real, real, real strength of character would be to admit some awful things have been done in the name of god(s), so it might time for Americans to establish their own definition of “character” and end the silly practice of “outsourcing” moral values (character) to gods. in fact, my only beef with Reverend Wright is the fact that he is trying to force the square peg of American history into the round hole of his Christian “faith”. in short, Americans should be “damning America” – we are ultimately responsible and not some Christian god.

Cardinal Sin

September 1st, 2010
1:01 pm

Hey 1ProudVet

You sir are a MORON as you have no freaking clue what you are talkin about except your liberal left talking points! Your boy Bill Clinton had the perfect opportunity to get Bin Ladin and passed. You Boy Barry has done nothing but spend and blame Bush and America. He sir, has surrounded himself with Racists, like Wright, Jackson, Sharpton, and the like. The bottom line is you keep voting Democrat and yet nothing for the good ever changes. For example, look at Louisanna, until recently, the have always been governed by a Democrat. The that loser mayor down there dropped the ball during Katrina and wanted to blame Bush. LMAO!

Thank goodness Barry will be gone in 2012!

Enough Said!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:01 pm

Haha I am the employer jackrag!

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
1:02 pm

Nothtng for free…you too.

Tommy Maddox

September 1st, 2010
1:02 pm

Yeah – why write a column about last night’s lame speech anyway?

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:02 pm

1ProudVet

I was in Washington during the first million man march. Not nearly as many as Beck’s rally, but a good group of people, but they did leave a lot of trash laying around.

And the Democrats were the only people who voted for TARP. YOu guys sent the republicans in Congress home in 2007. Remember?

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
1:03 pm

SPAS,

No I didn’t read that post you are talking about.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
1:03 pm

Nothing is Free-

Have you read the entire sermon or just the sound bite?

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
1:04 pm

NIF you wouldn’t recognize a racist if you saw one in the mirror.

That’s all the troll poking for today. I promised not to stir y’all up.

oh and Paleo

excelent point

willie lynch

September 1st, 2010
1:05 pm

Nothing is free,

Free your panties from that wad. Religious people usually have an indefensible position that’s why the don’t dare come to “preach”. I asked two questions and stated a known fact. Now it is in the chronology of the religious cannon that the earth began 6000 years ago. It sound to me like you don’t believe parts of your own mumbo jumbo. Select what you will. Like the strict constitutionalist you only want the parts that apply to your liking.

And you’re right I don’t check up on what they are preaching because I know how to read and have my own powers of discernment.

Get a grip kid.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
1:05 pm

BillyBob-

I think when you read the post you will understand what Rev. Wright was saying..I’ll let HDB post it. Not saying it was completely right what he said, but the one line that everyone gets hung up on without the rest of his sermon is taken out of context..

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

granny Godzilla

“The adults will understand the context.”"

Do you think the adult ctucker would allow me to use the N word on her blog?

Does that make her less than an adult?

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

Granny,

If you deny Wright’s hate, then anything from this point that you write about others’ hate is comical, AT BEST

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:07 pm

Some People are stupid

I heard Wright speak at Morehouse. I heard the whole speech.

He is a racist. No doubt.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
1:08 pm

SPAS,

Understand your point…..but my view takes in to account all I have heard the man say, not just that one comment….

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:09 pm

Wright is a racist and an idiot

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
1:09 pm

We know Right-wingers…if they’re attacking about work ethic. it means they’re wasting their employers time at work. If they are attacking about family values, it means they are adulterers. Notice how the “Christian” party continues to support. Daivd Vitter, John Ensign, and Rick Scott (the guy whose company got fined 1.5 billion for de-frauding medicare)…right at home.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:09 pm

Nothing Is Free September 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

The Republicans don’t care if you are Black or White. If you start looking at the results of the racist Democratic policies have done to Black people instead of looking at the promises, you will start to be ready to leave the plantation.

Let’s examine a few things:

1) Democrats signed the Civil Rights Act….conservatives/Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party, came over to the GOP. added a racist paradigm…

2) GOP turned into an “all white party” under Teddy Roosevelt — even though the GOP was co-founded by black people

3) Ronald Reagan advocated segregation in Philadelphia, MS in 1980

4) Those minority examples that the GOP places forth were successes via programs that the GOP desire to ELIMINATE!

5) The ability to REASON based on history and actual occurrances has no color…..but the actions taken by the majority of this nation HAVE been based on color!!

6) If there WERE Republicans that would ask for my vote, consider me as a part of the CONSTITUENCY, campaign in my neighborhood, address issues that are important to me…and my community……then I would consider the possibility!!

7) The promises are based on what a PERSON desires….but the access to the pathways that make the promises reality are based on what the government protects for the populace!!

I AM looking at the reality…..not the fiction that many try to proport!! I’m not on a plantation….I’ve achieved much of what I’ve desired….but I look at the history…and I look at what’s happening! The more things change, the more they stay the same!!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:09 pm

Medicare should not exist.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:11 pm

HDB….where do you get your facts? Let me guess you are a college student?

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:12 pm

willie lynch

“”It sound to me like you don’t believe parts of your own mumbo jumbo.”"

You know, we eat leavened bread and during that time of the month, we don’t make the women go set in a tent by themselves any more either. Religions evolve.

Yes, you are preaching and you are preaching to others who really don’t give a damn about what you believe so why don’t you leave everyone alone about your silly s55ed religion, or lack there of.

No body wants to hear you preach any more than you want to hear anyone else.

Try to call it what you want and you continue to lecture strangers about what they should believe and what they shouldn’t.

NO ONE wants to push their beliefs off on others more than those who don’t have the character to believe anything.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:13 pm

BillyBob….

I posted Rev. Wright’s speech earlier today…but..here it is again. Get PAST the sound byte and read the speech for the full context!!

“Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontus Pilot – Pontius Pilate – the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from east to west. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonised Kenya, Guana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian decent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese decent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African decent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them in slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing “God Bless America.” No, no, no. Not “God Bless America”; God Damn America! That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating her citizens as less than human. God Damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!
The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African decent. Think about this, think about this. For every 1 Oprah, a billionaire, you got five million Blacks who are out of work. For every 1 Colin Powell, a millionaire, you got ten million Blacks who cannot read. For every 1 “Condeskeeza” Rice, you got one million in prison. For every 1 Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters with his cat-blazing hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women; God has this way of bringing you short when you get too big for your cat-blazing britches. For every 1 Tiger Woods, we got ten thousand Black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African decent. But I’m fitting to help you one last time – turn to your neighbour and say “he’s fitting to help us one last time.” Turn back and say “Forgive him for the ‘God Damn’, that’s in the Bible Lord.” Blessings and cursing is in the Bible, it’s in the Bible. But I’m fitting to help you one last time. Let me tell you something.
Where governments fail, God never fails.”

Prez Obozo

September 1st, 2010
1:13 pm

CT you just can’t stop. You are simply upset because someone white organized a march/gathering! I feel you actually believe the right to march/gather is for black people only. You support ANY ideas regardless of the consequences as long is they are proposed by someone of YOUR choice of skin color. I would be curious to know how you feel about Herman Cain who is an intelligent & sensible thinking black American who does not play the race card. Myself of course is powerless to do anything to combat your thoughts, ideas or writings. However I will protest with a means I can use. The holidays are coming up & I usually try to donate to the Clark Howard Christmas gifts for kids & Toys for tots. I’m sure you know where most of these gifts goes. This year I will only adopt families for donations which I can research & learn what I want to about them. Lots will be weeded out. If you can do everything in your power to upset race relations which is what you do best then I can do what little I have a right to do & that is to donate to needy families of MY choice. That’s something you , Jessie & Sharpton, who by the way use the Reverend in their titles for tax purposes only, can do NOTHING about!

Crzdir

September 1st, 2010
1:13 pm

You suggest that if you’re Mormon, you can’t hold the same beliefs as a conservative Christian. “Moreover, he’s an odd spokesman for conservative Christianity, since he’s Mormon.”

This is classical use of divisive language, which is the same tactics used when pitting the “haves” against the “have nots” when arguing in favor of higher taxes for the “rich”, and also when pitting big corporations against “the working class” to show liberal support for organized labor.

Remember the big Mormon push in California for the Gay Marriage vote? Mormons were “crucified” as right-wing radicals who were sticking their noses in CA business. Maybe it’s me, but isn’t it obvious you’re trying to have it both ways? In CA, Mormons were portrayed as untra-conservative radicals, but now with Beck, you are trying to separate Mormons from conservativism?

Here’s your liberal end game: This kind of talk is meant to divide “conservative Christians” from Mormons–but most importantly, one specific Mormon: Mitt Romney. While I’m not Mormon, nor at the moment, a supporter of any one conservative candidate, your commentary tell me liberals are getting desperate.

While you correctly point out that right now, Romney seems to be the likely candidate to run against Obama in 2012, what you also clearly recognize is
– the public’s frustration for what the Obama Administration is/is not doing about issues like jobs, war, the southern border, health care, “transparency”, etc.
– the general vulnerability of the Democrats, likely as a result of their support of Obama’s leap to the left
– the momentum generated by the Tea Party movement that Beck, Palin, Romney, and millions of other Americans are getting behind

You are well aware the liberals’ current position of power is in severe jeopardy, and likely already lost. Behind closed doors it’s “damage control”. Between now and 2010, the methods to salvage any power for Obama and other liberals out there will be to demonize and marginalize the opposition at every turn. It’s textbook–and transparent–”divide and conquer”.

Your problem is the electorate is quickly getting wiser; which, of course, runs counter to what makes liberal candidates successful. (Did you really catch this last line?) Esto perpetua.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:14 pm

Maybe if you would post a messeage less than 10000 words I would read it.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
1:14 pm

I know Rev Wright did a PBS interview with the Presidebt of Morehouse….when did he speak there?

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 1st, 2010
1:15 pm

you know what I love? I love the word racist. when I say “Glenn Beck” is a racist, I am not rendering a judgment on racism. I am merely noting Beck’s faith is most certainly racist. Is Rev. Wright a racist? maybe, maybe not, but it wouldn’t change my opinion of him. let’s change the discussion from race to creed. many Christians (and certainly Muslims) believe their faith or the tenets of their respective faiths makes them “superior” – just as a racist does not like or dislike other races; he/she merely feels his/her is superior. I knew an elderly woman who was an impenitent racist. she didn’t “discriminate” against her black neighbors or friends (and she had many). she simply believe as a white woman, she was genetically superior. when will people realize these distinctions are man made and exist for the sole purpose of sending others off to battle (political, military; it doesn’t matter). the most amazing aspect of this thread is, Beck and Wright are essentially the same (pissed off about the state of affairs, and frustrated with the other side). Beck earns a bit more, but at their core they are the same person.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:16 pm

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:11 pm
HDB….where do you get your facts? Let me guess you are a college student?”

Nope….but know how to research!! Add my life’s experiences…and VOILA!!

Some see things as they are and ask “WHY?”; some see things as they SHOULD BE…and ask “Why NOT?”

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
1:17 pm

HDB

Bobby!!!!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:18 pm

HDB…How about looking forward and enlightening your future instead of living in the past?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
1:22 pm

White Man-

HDB…How about looking forward and enlightening your future instead of living in the past?

Isn’t that…progressive…I thought conservatives well all about the past….isn’t that want the conservatives want the country to return to…

White Woman

September 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

@HDB

I am a white woman and even if your little fact about affirmative action benefitting mostly white women is true…that doesn’t make it right. Its is a racist/sexist practice and should be eliminated.

Also, tell me this…did George Bush fire you from your job? (Since you always say you are/were unemployed during only republican administrations)

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:18 pm
HDB…How about looking forward and enlightening your future instead of living in the past?

Those that forget their history are DOOMED to repeat it!! Some of the solutions that we need to encompass in this nation can be seen from what we accomplished in the PAST!! If you’re afraid to punish your child, your child won’t understand the discipline it takes to become successful; if you don’t be the example to your kids, your kids won’t have the motivation to be successful! Much of my successes were built upon what those who preceeded me built upon……

Is is better to use what one KNOWS works…or guess?? I’ve used what the PAST has generated to enlighten my future…and my FAMILY’S!!

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

Wow! Even by her normal standards, Cynthia has let her antipathy towards the right blind her to the truth.

Let’s first start with her criticism of McConnell who said “The president says he’s a Christian. I take him at his word.” What does Cynthia want McConnell to say – that President Obama categorically is a Christian? I seriously doubt McConnell and Obama socialize much or go to church together, so McConnell probably doesn’t know anything about Obama’s religious beliefs beyond what Obama has said. McConnell says he believes him; that’s pretty unambigious. I might add, Hillary Clinton got a lot of flak (unfairly) for a similar comment that Barack Obama isn’t a Muslim (”as far as she knows”). Both Clinton and McConnell were simply using politician-speak to disagree with an ugly rumour about a political opponent without vociferously defending him. I’m not sure what Cynthia’s problem is, but McConnell is not implying Obama is a Muslim.

Second, Cynthia criticizes Beck’s “rancid dismissal of the religious beliefs of liberal-leaning public figures.” She later suggests that “McConnell mean[s] to stir up those prejudices [against Mormons].” However, given her opening statement that “[Beck is] an odd spokesman for conservative Christianity, since he’s Mormon” it seems rather hypocritical of her to suggest that only Republicans are raising the specter of religious bigotry while she implies that Mormons aren’t Christians. They certainly consider themselves to be Christians.

This piece was nothing but an unfounded smear against the right, alleging bigotry where none exists. It reminds me of Krauthammer’s recent piece about the race card being the last refuge of a liberal confronted with inconvenient facts. To that analysis, I would add that unfounded charges of religious bigotry also serve the left quite well. (Which is curious, given the left’s open mocking of evangelical Christians).

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

1ProudVet,

Realize that everything ‘POLITICAL’ in this environment, with both parties, is based on half-truths and misdirection. It’s all about POWER. That’s why limited gov’t is essential so as not to let ‘power hungry’ people destroy this country, whether they are Dems or Repubs. Then take into account the “socialist” direction the Dems have taken the country in, and you can understand the concept of voting for ‘the lesser of two evils’. Unfortunately, that is where we are in both parties. I am sick to death of this, but I do think the Tea Party is the first movement of many on both sides that will return our gov’t to the people, and not the ‘power hungry’ politicians.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

HDB

“”1) Democrats signed the Civil Rights Act….conservatives/Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party, came over to the GOP. added a racist paradigm…”"

Democrats FILLIBUSTERED THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT. Actually known as the voting rights act.

Name a single Dixiecrat who went to the Republican Party other than Strom Thurman. Name a single one. See? You still believe the democratic lies. You need to stay a democrat.

“”2) GOP turned into an “all white party” under Teddy Roosevelt — even though the GOP was co-founded by black people”"

The GOP was founded by Black people and fought along side Black people against the Democrats FOR YOUR RIGHTS, but you can’t even get history right. Again. The democrats need good little Black people like you who will believe everything they tell you.

“”3) Ronald Reagan advocated segregation in Philadelphia, MS in 1980″”

First, what are you talking about. And secondly, Obama forced Black Kids attending great Private schools in DC to go back to the all Black horrible city schools. The Democrats are STILL doing it.

“”4) Those minority examples that the GOP places forth were successes via programs that the GOP desire to ELIMINATE!”"

Are you talking about Nixon’s affirmative action programs that the Democrats fought so hard against?

“”5) The ability to REASON based on history and actual occurrances has no color…..but the actions taken by the majority of this nation HAVE been based on color!!”"

And those people that have taken advantage of race ARE THE DEMOCRATS.

“”6) If there WERE Republicans that would ask for my vote, consider me as a part of the CONSTITUENCY, campaign in my neighborhood, address issues that are important to me…and my community……then I would consider the possibility!!”"

THey ask for the vote of you, as a man, every day. If you are waiting on them to ask a Black man to vote for them, don’t hold your breath. “Content of their character” Remember what the Republican, MLK wrote and said?

You are on a plantation. Like it or not, the Democrats own you and your brethren who continue to believe that they give a tinker’s damn about you

Wake up and start looking at what the Democrats have done to Black people in the past 40 years. You elect the damned democrats. Why in God’s name do you allow them to treat you like they do? It’s not the Republicans that have destroyed the Black job market.

Hold your leaders responsible for the promises they make. ANd when you get sick of being lied to, start thinking on your own.

Mac

September 1st, 2010
1:24 pm

Bearing false witness against someone is a sin, Ms. Tucker This includes spreading rumors, false or otherwise. You don’t like it when someone questions your president’s religion.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:24 pm

Some people are stupid….that was an ignorant comment. Conservatives want to return to the days where right is right and wrong is wrong. Today too many people live in shades of grey.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:25 pm

NOTHING IS FREE should run for president!

willie lynch

September 1st, 2010
1:25 pm

You are dumber than I thought. Refer to the topic of this article it is about religion and credentials but I don’t expect you to get that point.

Your rants about who is racist while you claim the need for others to remain on the plantation put you in no position to direct what my points need be about.

You have a petty mind. One easily led astray.

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
1:26 pm

@White Woman
HDB’s fact is not true. There’s no way to actually measure the impact of affirmative action on any group. He simply basing his “fact” off of the actual fact that, among groups covered by affirmative actions, white women have experienced the greatest increase in economic fortunes over the last few decades. I would argue that hard working women (like yourself, no doubt), achieved their successes in spite of affirmative action, not because of it.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:26 pm

granny godzilla

HE spoke at an African funeral of an famous Morehouse Egyptologist. This was in the August, just before he came on the national stage. I worked the job, video taping the funeral for the family.

The speech was so racist that most people, (all of them Black) got up and walked out on him.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
1:27 pm

NIF

When did Rev Wright speak at Morehouse?

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:28 pm

Granny….Rev Wright is a hate monger. You have to see that, right?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
1:28 pm

White Man-

I don’t know about you but I live in a time when Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong now….when did the country make this dramatic turn?

Billybob
1. I am for term limits
2. Socialist Direction….what policy is socialist…seriously…that word is almost like racist. It has been used so much it has lost it’s meaning.
Taxes- Is not socialist
Healthcare- Unless its provided and run by the gov’t…is not socialist

JohnD

September 1st, 2010
1:29 pm

Atlantans say Tucker is no columnist, either.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:30 pm

willie lynch

So now you are mad that I called you on your preaching. LOL!!

Sorry I hurt your widdle feelings.

But now at least, you know how other people see you. Preaching to others about religion is what you constantly do. And you were just too close minded to see what you were doing.

Typical. Always looking outward, never inward and never shutting up long enough to hear what others say.

Preach on, preacher. I’m sure you will get all the respect you deserve.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:30 pm

I would say mid 70’s haha

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:31 pm

White Woman September 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

Republicans set the conditions that permeated job losses….and consideration for a new position!! If you really want to take it to another level….I was working for United Airlines on 9/11…who was POTUS then….and who ws in control for the Recession that occurred right after 9/11?? From 1980 to present, the period of unemployment was always LONGER when a Republican was in the White House; why? I was told that when Republicans get into the White House, Affirmative Action and employment laws won’t be enforced!! If you look at what happened to black farmers under the Reagan Administration…..that evidence speaks volumes!!!

If Affirmative Action has not been used to right a wrong, would the glass ceiling EVER have been broken?? AA is a necessary tool to even the playing field….btw…how many black women are CEO’s of a Fortune 500 company?? (Answer: ONE!!)….and it’s still not needed????

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
1:31 pm

@HDB
I think the fact that you believe the full text of Wright’s sermon (as you posted it here) ameliorates the offensiveness of his words says a lot about your world view. Now that I have read what Wright said in the context of the rest of his sermon, I am even more offended. He sees the US as a force for evil and blames all of the ills of black Americans (who, incidentally, enjoy a higher standard of living than blacks anywhere else in the world) on the government and, one would assume, whites. He is an evil, hateful, small-minded man.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:32 pm

Affirmative Action is pointless and needs to be abolished. So you are saying that an intelligent black man/woman cannot earn a job on their own weight and education?

Thank you for proving my point!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:33 pm

HDB….How many white women are CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies…..Did you ride the short bus when you went to school…or did you not go at all.

Steve

September 1st, 2010
1:37 pm

CT is on the attack…Beck must have done something right. Nice hipocrisy CT…the person you support sat in Jeremiah Wrights pews for 20 years.

That was easy CT.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
1:37 pm

Spas,

The word socialist, no matter how many times it is used, still has meaning to millions of people. The left may want to whitewash the term to the point where YOU say it has no meaning, but I still understand what the word means and understand Obama IS…..central gov’t planner much…..Obama IS…..

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:39 pm

So banned here now.

What are you liberals so afraid of?

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:39 pm

Granny Godzilla

The professor’s name was Asa Hilliard

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
1:40 pm

BillyBob-

I’m glad you understand what socialist means…now what policies of this administration are socialistic?

White Man-
Really didn’t want to get in on this AA argument but..AA was merely a doorway to get in….not stating I’m for or against it…I believe you get in based of your merits…but you have to admit there was a time when minorities and white women didn’t get through the door.

White Woman

September 1st, 2010
1:40 pm

Nothing is Free writes:
Obama forced Black Kids attending great Private schools in DC to go back to the all Black horrible city schools. The Democrats are STILL doing it.

This is 100% true and yet his kids get to go to private schools. Hypocrite.

If democrats would allow competition amongst schools it would give poor minority children a chance to get out of their crap schools and go to a great school. But minorities keep electing democrats! Makes no sense!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:41 pm

I would agree, but I would say for the most part those days are gone. It is time for AA to either be modified or thrown away.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:42 pm

White Woman, great post and nice name.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
1:43 pm

NIF

You mean Asa Hilliard?

You’ll have to prove people walked out though…..

Kamchak

September 1st, 2010
1:44 pm

The word socialist, no matter how many times it is used, still has meaning to millions of people.

Yep.

To those “millions of people.” it means fear and they use it to monger their fears in public.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:44 pm

White Woman

“Makes no sense!”

Put the unions into the school mix and it makes all the sence in the world.

Kids can’t vote. Union reps give the dims LOTS of money.

To hell with the kids.

Let’s get elected!!!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:45 pm

Granny, why is that so hard to believe. The man is full of ignorance and hate. Not all black people believe in what he says even though he is black.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:45 pm

Mike K September 1st, 2010
1:26 pm
@White Woman
HDB’s fact is not true. There’s no way to actually measure the impact of affirmative action on any group. He simply basing his “fact” off of the actual fact that, among groups covered by affirmative actions, white women have experienced the greatest increase in economic fortunes over the last few decades. I would argue that hard working women (like yourself, no doubt), achieved their successes in spite of affirmative action, not because of it.

Mike….that fact IS true….if white women made the most economic progress…comparedly to other demographics, then Affirmative Action is the vessel….

Nothing Is Free September 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

1) GOP WAS founded by black people….that I know; how many blacks were there at the last GOP Convention (125)! Remember what Colin Powell said: “I didn’t leave the party; the party left ME!”

2) LBJ SIGNED the Civil Rights Act…and remember the quote: “We’ve just lost the South for a generation!”

3) Remember when RFK had MLK released from the Birmingham jail….and JFK brought forth the Civil Rights platform in 1963?? The Dixiecrats came to the GOP and brought thte racist paradigm with them!! Conservatives ran the moderate Republicans (the Rockefeller Republicans) out of the party……

4) Ronald Reagan advocated segregation in Philadelphia, MS in 1980

5) The Nixonian “Southern Strategy” in 1968 marginalized the black vote in the South…thereby creating a monolithic white voting bloc!!

I DO look at the history…..and for as much as the Democrats have failed, the Republicans have failed even more!! I DO think on my own…I research the platforms…and the candidates…and so far….no on in the GOP appeals to me!!

willie lynch

September 1st, 2010
1:46 pm

Nothing is free,

You amuse me. I guees we can dumb it down so it’s easier for you to keep up.

Again, by stating the facts of the beliefs of the Christian I am preaching. While your continued infantile diatribes about what the Democrats have done for Blacks could be construed as something different. Hmmm?

As I stated you are easily led astray hence the need for a “shepherd”. I would suggest you study the finer points of discourse and language then try again.

White Woman

September 1st, 2010
1:46 pm

HAHA HDB…this is just absurd:
I was told that when Republicans get into the White House, Affirmative Action and employment laws won’t be enforced!!

Yes, I’m sure George Bush’s first agenda item upon being elected was to pull all CEO’s into the white house and tell them to stop enforcing employment and labor laws. HAHA, that’s hilarious.

And, instead of blaming islamic extremists/terrorists for the loss of your job, you blame George Bush?? Then, by that logic all the out of work fisherman and oil workers on the gulf coast can blame Obama for their job loss?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
1:47 pm

And, instead of blaming islamic extremists/terrorists for the loss of your job, you blame George Bush

Did I miss a post or something…how did we get to this conclusion?

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:48 pm

This is so much fun.

White Woman

September 1st, 2010
1:50 pm

HDB said:
Mike….that fact IS true….if white women made the most economic progress…comparedly to other demographics, then Affirmative Action is the vessel….

I do not think AA was the vessel…I think white women woke up and realized that their only duty in life wasn’t to stay home and make babies and cook dinner.

All I know is I came from a lower middle class family, went to a mediocre public school but finished top 10% of my class and got a scholorship to college. I could have done that if I was a black woman too…without the help of Affirmative Action.

dumbcrkr

September 1st, 2010
1:51 pm

white man

Obamas policies didn’t cause the financial meltdown.

White Woman

September 1st, 2010
1:51 pm

@ SPAS 1:47

Read HDB’s 1:31 post.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:52 pm

White Woman – See that is the difference you are a game changer. You worked hard for everything you got and you dont expect the government to hand you anything!

Whereas on the other side of the isle they are expecting the government to apologize, give them free healthcare, pay for their food and give them jobs……crazy crazy crazy

The Truth

September 1st, 2010
1:52 pm

If Glenn Beck is not a Christian, there is still time to save him. It is easier to convert someone to the Christian faith that has not chosen the Muslim beliefs. Cynthia Tucker is simply a racist. She needs racism to justify her purpose and existence. But then again, she writes for the Atlanta Urinal & Constipation…. you can’t expect much from a substandard publication.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:53 pm

Dumbcrkr….I agree but his policies are making them much worse.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:53 pm

granny godzilla

I don’t need to prove anything.

I heard him. I know what he is. You wouldn’t believe anything that had anything to do with Obama would ever be bad or wrong. You are yet another great little democrat who, against all odds, still believe what you are told.

You will always think only one way. You were sure I was lying about Wright being at Morehouse, but you obviously looked up Prof Hilliard’s facts, so you know I am not lying. There were several things happened that day with Wright and his little skull cap wearing thugs that came with him. Our producer, a Black man ended up literally forcibly removing one of the little preaching idiots from our staging area because he was mad that we broke down our cameras as soon as we saw what Wright was and several people applauded us. He wanted to start a fight with the video crew because we had disrespected his leader. He was about to get his skinny Chicago butt whipped. (The entire crew was Black except for me)

Wright is a racist fascist who surrounds himself with little thugs to protect him. Deal with it.

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
1:54 pm

@HDB
“Mike….that fact IS true….if white women made the most economic progress…comparedly to other demographics, then Affirmative Action is the vessel….”

No, that’s not the way it works. You’re engaging in what is called the ex post propter hoc fallacy; in other words, you assume causation between correlated events. For example, obesity rate among women have also risen over the last several years. I could just as easily attribute white women’s rising success to expanding waistlines. It doesn’t make any sense, but neither does your illogical and unfounded assertion that the only reason white women have succeeded is because of affirmative action. Lot’s of groups – Jews, Italians, Irish, Asians, Indians – have succeeded without the benefit of affirmative action. The group that has received the most “help” from affirmative action – blacks – has done worse than any other.

As a cure for their economic woes, affirmative action is for black people, what bleeding and leaches were to the sick in the Middle Ages.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:55 pm

Mike K September 1st, 2010
1:31 pm

My point was to get past the sound byte…..

Rev. Wright was pointing out that America DOES have its flaws….but whenever everything ELSE fails, God doesn’t!! I can understand why many felt that your way…and to a point, Rev Wright IS right…..but the present CAN change if we look at what history has shown us to fail!!
I’ve never been angry….but I CAN see his picture!!

@ SPAS: “AA was merely a doorway to get in….not stating I’m for or against it…I believe you get in based of your merits…but you have to admit there was a time when minorities and white women didn’t get through the door.” THANK YOU!! That’s the key that no one seems to understand!!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:33 pm
HDB….How many white women are CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies….(12)

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:56 pm

HDB….ok how many black men?

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
1:57 pm

@Kamchack
The word socialist, no matter how many times it is used, still has meaning to millions of people.
—————————————————————–
Yep.

To those “millions of people.” it means fear and they use it to monger their fears in public.
——————————————————————
Some things should be feared. Socialism is one of them.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
1:58 pm

Kamchak,

“They” use it to show what Obama wants America TO BECOME sir. Obama is a central gov’t planner Kamchak and if people fear that, God Bless them, that’s their right. I don’t scare people into something, I say what Obama is….and if people fear that for America, it’s on OBAMA to explain, and not me

Scout

September 1st, 2010
1:58 pm

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama – BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE! :

See my 11:21 post for additional information.

gmaye

September 1st, 2010
1:58 pm

Nothing is free, so when 80% of white america supported George Bush were they getting Pimp? Glen Beck 35million, Hannity 30 million, Rush Limbuagh 50 million, now who is getting pimped?

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:59 pm

HDB

“.that I know; how many blacks were there at the last GOP Convention”

Is that bad for the republicans or bad for Blacks who have watched their demographic steadily decline with every new Democratic leader they elect?

” “We’ve just lost the South for a generation!””

That’s because the South in 1964 was solidly Democratic.

“The Dixiecrats came to the GOP”

Again. What Dixiecrats became Republicans? I get that you buy all the democratic lies. I don’t. You are just demonstrating what a good little democrat you are. Never question anything you are told.

Look, I like you, Pal. I even liked that the Tide won the championship last year. (Tennessee is going to suck this year)

But democrats have done nothing for Black people and the sooner you figure that out, the better off you will be.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
2:01 pm

Kamchak

September 1st, 2010
2:01 pm

Some things should be feared. Socialism is one of them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

…and if people fear that, God Bless them, that’s their right.

Both of you have every right to pee your pants over whatever you want to.

Just don’t expect me to join you.

Rockerbabe

September 1st, 2010
2:01 pm

I did not know the Beckmeister was a Mormon; they must be reeling from that public fact! Mormons are christians; just a different kind of christian; noththeless, lying about people’s intentions, when you have never spoken with them, squabbling about everything and anything, lying about the faux red phone and faux vomiting in garbarge cans has little to do with piety or religiosity. Just another con-man sheister out selling his wares. Only these wares do nothing but foament hatred, mistrust, anger and greed. So much for being christian; not in my book.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
2:02 pm

gmaye

LOL!1

MAking up numbers doesn’t work with me. When did Bush carry 80% of White Votes?

Beck’s show draws between a million and two every day.

Hannity, about a million.

Limbaugh, about 700,000 a day.

There is no demographic that loves that plantation like Black Democrats.

PPS

September 1st, 2010
2:02 pm

“Stay wary of religious prejudice” is the title of an article that spends the majority of the article trying to disqualify a man’s opinion because of his religion. Not just that man but Romney as well because he is of the same religion. Funny thing when liberals try to slander the religion of a republican when it is the same religion that Harry Reid, yes – also LDS “Mormon”, subscribes to. For those that don’t view the LDS faith as Christian, I ask you to look at the works of its members who are usually some of the first to turn out in disasters like the Atlanta or Nashville floods, hurricanes, etc.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
2:03 pm

White Man-

Whereas on the other side of the isle they are expecting the government to apologize, give them free healthcare, pay for their food and give them jobs……crazy crazy crazy

I don’t know about you, but I haven’t seen too many happy poor people

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
2:03 pm

NIF

No you don’t have to.

Just surprised you can’t or won’t.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
2:04 pm

They are just jealous that “Talk America” failed haha.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
2:05 pm

Some People are stupid….then they should work harder and earn a living by the sweat of their brow instead of sitting back having babies and expecting the gubament to pay for everything.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
2:05 pm

Kamchak,

I have full control over my bowels and I don’t expect you to change your mind based on a few comments. BUT, that doesn’t change the fact that you support a central gov’t planning President….does it?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
2:05 pm

BillyBob-
Still waiting for those socialistic policies

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
2:07 pm

White Man-
Like I said earlier, that group who has babies and expects the goverment to pay for it, span both major political parties…you seem to associate them with only democrats.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
2:07 pm

White Woman

September 1st, 2010
1:46 pm
HAHA HDB…this is just absurd:
I was told that when Republicans get into the White House, Affirmative Action and employment laws won’t be enforced!!

That’s what happened to me!! In 1981, my manager told me: “Now that Reagan is in the White House, we don’t have to worry about Affirmative Action any moer; we don’t have to hire any black people!!” That’s a direct quote! Once the company downsized and my position was abolished, it took me two YEARS to find another position….and that paradigm maintained itself!! Others’ experiences may be different…but that’s MINE!! Fast forward to 2001…9/11…when I was laid off at United Airlines…and couldn’t find a job for another TWO YEAR period……

Mike K September 1st, 2010
1:54 pm

Not in all cases; I know of those of us who were products of Affirmative Action that were successes…Clarence Thomas,, Colin POwell, Herman Cain, JC Watts…..for a few examples!! AA granted the ACCESS…that’s the key!! IF AA didn’t grant the ACCESS, please inform as to why the “glass ceiling” has taken so long to be broken?? When did white women first get the RIGHT to sign contracts? (Answer: 1969!) When did white women get equal pay for equal work? (Answer: 2009!)

“Lot’s of groups – Jews, Italians, Irish, Asians, Indians – have succeeded without the benefit of affirmative action….”
Each group you’ve stated had the economic capability within ITSELF to build upon; Jews, Italians and Irish are considered white in economics!! Not all black people have had such economic capability!! Not only is there a case of access…but economics!!

Kamchak

September 1st, 2010
2:10 pm

BUT, that doesn’t change the fact that you support a central gov’t planning President….does it?

Wrong again Billy-poo.

I supported Juan McSame in the last election cycle.

Please see Vanna on your way out for your lovely parting gifts; including a lifetime supply of Rice-A-Roni—The San Fransisco Treat!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
2:17 pm

lazy, poor, waiting for handouts, living off welfare and foodstamps.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
2:18 pm

Nothing Is Free September 1st, 2010
1:59 pm

For a party that SAYS they want diversity…and was CREATED by black people, the GOP has done EVERYTHING to alienate minorities!! That’s not a Democratic line….that’s from my observation!! I queston everything I can! I know that the Democrats had in the platform in 2004 a repeal of the AMT for incomes less that $250K…..but the GOP had a tax HIKE scheduled for 10 years after the cut was passed (what we’re facing NOW!)! I know that black farmers were screwed in 1983….and the Republicans in the Senate filibustered the settlement that was to have been paid this year (C-SPAN)! I don’t like the idea of cap-and-trade, but universal health care did appeal to me!! Republicans think that de-regulation is always the answer…but the repeal of Glass-Stegall screwed up the financials and almost caused a collapse! The repeal was led by Jim Leach (R-IA) and Phil Gramm (R-TX).

SB 1070 targets Hispanics and mandates racial profiling! (Not a line….from the LAW itself! – A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not SOLELY consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. If racial profiling were to be illegal, it would say “MAY NOT CONSIDER”)

Deocrats aren’t that good…..but Republicans are worse for me!!

BTW..I like you too…but I’m a die-hard DAWG!!

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
2:23 pm

Here’s one SPAP……Obama supports, and Obamacare is the first step to, single-payer gov’t run healthcare. Chew on that for a little while

Kamchak…………buh-bye

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
2:24 pm

Granny,

Thank you for your post earlier about the study used to estimate the crowd.

Why do you think that most estimates are substantially higher than 87K if the “scientific method” suggests that amount?

This sentence of yours made very little sense to me:

“or I suppose rather than trusting tried and true scientific methods you good simple accept a number someone pulled out of their bum, because you are overly tied into the ideology.”

I’ve already told you I don’t care for Beck.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
2:29 pm

How is”Obamacare ” socialist. TO be socialist the goverment has to have control over it. Uhmmm…they don’t control it..they don’t set the price..is it regulated…sure…socialist…i think not..

As there is that hyperbole again…
Obamacare is the first step to, single-payer gov’t run healthcare.
and you know this how…thats also what they said about medicare by the way..

Still waiting on a “Socialist” policy…

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
2:31 pm

@Kamchak

Some things should be feared. Socialism is one of them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

…and if people fear that, God Bless them, that’s their right.

Both of you have every right to pee your pants over whatever you want to.

Just don’t expect me to join you.
—————————————————————
I wasn’t planning to ask you to pee on my pants. In fact, I’ll thank you for refraining.

dumbcrkr

September 1st, 2010
2:33 pm

Let’s understand one thing affirmative action has helped Asians, Indians, Hispanics and all other people of color. That’s what it was intended to do.

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
2:39 pm

@Some People are stupid
Socialism is a little bit like obscenity – it’s hard to define, but you know it when you see it.

Flippancy aside, socialism is generally defined as government ownership of the means of production and it is quite similar, at least from an economic perspective, to state capitalism which is government control of the means of production (without government ownership). Of course, all governments exert varying levels of control and own varying stakes in industries, but the amount of government interference varies tremendously by company.

What many Americans mean when they talk about socialism is both socialism, as traditionally defined, and state capitalism. Both are equally odious and it’s rather irrelevant to debate in which bucket a government-expanding policy falls (to anyone beside an academic or a liberal trying to discredit an opposing point of view).

Obama has pursued a number of policies which are either socialist/state capitalistic or which will likely lead down those roads. For example, Obamacare is a state capitalist policy to the extend that it creates elaborate rules under which insurance companies must operate (it defines who must be covered, it mandates coverage for certain conditions, it sets price ratios and profit ratios, etc.). It is also socialist in that it increases the likelihood that government will, in the future, nationalize segments of the health care industry as shortages occurs because of the price controls imposed by Obama.

Purchasing GM, the continued ownership of AIG, the expansion of government spending – all of those policies are explicitly socialist.

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
2:42 pm

@Kamchak
Kamchak

September 1st, 2010
2:10 pm
BUT, that doesn’t change the fact that you support a central gov’t planning President….does it?
—————————————————————–
Wrong again Billy-poo.

I supported Juan McSame in the last election cycle.

Please see Vanna on your way out for your lovely parting gifts; including a lifetime supply of Rice-A-Roni—The San Fransisco Treat!
——————————————————————
Seriously, Billy-poo? Kamchack what is wrong with you? One would think that, given the subject matter of Cynthia’s blogs and the amount you post here, that you were interested in politics. Instead, when anyone tries to discuss an issue with you, you retort with childish insults and patronizing (if strange) comments.

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
2:44 pm

“SB 1070 targets Hispanics and mandates racial profiling!”

You would think that if such a statement was true, the Federal Government would have relied upon such an argument in their well-publicized lawsuit against the state of Arizona. But they didn’t.

Why is that, HDB?

And this one is comical:

“If racial profiling were to be illegal, it would say “MAY NOT CONSIDER”)”

Think about that again for a second. Anything less than a standard that forbids consideration of race as a factor fails to make racial profiling illegal. Are you really sure you want to say it this way?

dumbcrkr

September 1st, 2010
2:47 pm

Tealiban Party, Best post I’ve seen…lol.

Big D

September 1st, 2010
2:48 pm

If you want to get some idea of how many people were there request a layout of the Monument and Mall area with a legend of dimension from the Parks Department. Then look at the aerial view of the event and estimate how many people there are per foot or yard and match it to the square foot of the area they are in. I have seen the aerial view and ran some numbers and it is much more than 87,000.

Kamchak

September 1st, 2010
2:48 pm

Instead, when anyone tries to discuss an issue with you…

Someone who puts words in my mouth that I did not say and then expects me to defend those words, doesn’t merit the word “discuss.”

Uhoh

September 1st, 2010
2:52 pm

No, Beverly Hall is a huckster.

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
2:58 pm

@Kamchak
Instead, when anyone tries to discuss an issue with you…

Someone who puts words in my mouth that I did not say and then expects me to defend those words, doesn’t merit the word “discuss.”
——————————————————————–
You pretty neatly side-stepped the point – you don’t ever the substance of Cynthia’s post. You just make snide comments and nit-pick the denotative substance of people’s comments.

Seriously, who does that? What kind of persn are you? Do you work, are you young, are you old, do you have friends, do you have a family, do you live at home? Since you don’t ever debate the issues, you just try to deconstruct others’ posts, it sure seems like your only interest in this board is making comments that make you feel intellectually superior to people you don’t know. Perhaps I am wrong, but it certainly seems that way.

As I’ve done before, I’ll try again to invite you to join the dicussion. What do you think about Cynthia’s post. I think it’s pretty blindly biased (as I posted earlier). What do you think?

HDB

September 1st, 2010
3:14 pm

Wahoo September 1st, 2010
2:44 pm
“SB 1070 targets Hispanics and mandates racial profiling!”

You would think that if such a statement was true, the Federal Government would have relied upon such an argument in their well-publicized lawsuit against the state of Arizona. But they didn’t. Why is that, HDB? ”

Reason why they DIDN’T challenge it on thr profiling side is that is was a stronger case to challenge it on th constitutional authority. SB 1070 DOES state this:

“A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not SOLELY consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. ”

That means that racial profiling IS mandated!! If racial profiling were to be eliminated, the law should read thusly:

“A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may NOT consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection.”

Anything less than a standard that forbids consideration of race as a factor fails to make racial profiling illegal.

Kamchak

September 1st, 2010
3:16 pm

You pretty neatly side-stepped the point…

Nope, you specifically pointed out my post to Billybob and I addressed that. He wrongly attributed my support for “a central gov’t planning President,” and invited me to deny it which I did.

– you don’t ever the substance of Cynthia’s post.

Kamchak

September 1st, 2010
3:26 pm

Oops–hit submit too soon.

– you don’t ever the substance of Cynthia’s post.

Missing a word there. Mind if I suspect that the word is “address”?

“Ever” is an absolute kinda word, dontcha think? Just because you don’t see it, that makes it true?

As to the current thread, our hostess pretty much covers all the bases. My only complaint with her is that she’s giving this douchebag more exposure than he deserves.

anthony

September 1st, 2010
3:29 pm

I don’t consider Barrack Obama a christian either. He supports abortion (murder of innocent babies). How can anyone consider themselves christians when they support such an awful practice. I have two kids and was not in a great financial position for either but i never considered abortion because of my fear of god and his punishment for such an awful sin.

Kamchak

September 1st, 2010
3:33 pm

Fresh sheets upstairs.

Joe

September 1st, 2010
3:37 pm

I get it Tucker. You don’t question that Beck is a Christian. You question why he or anyone else is a Christian since you obviously have a bias towards Christianity or any religion for that matter. You’re constantly spewing venom about Christians not wanting gay marriage or Christians putting up crosses on public property. Why even write about something you are so adamantly opposed to anyway/ I guess because its fits into your idiot liberal logic. Whatever Conservative idea arises you must oppose it. Even if it makes sense….

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
3:42 pm

Joe @ 3:37, I am a member in good standing of the Christian left. I had my baby girl baptized in November. (Not that any of that is your business)

Stan

September 1st, 2010
3:46 pm

They elected a fool to be their spokes person

Someone with enough ignorance to speak their heart’s sober mind

And bare the conscious guilt of their collective hate.

Why they provided the rope when they came to hang him and

Then ran back into the shadows waiting for another ignorant fool

Who will speak their heart’s sober minds again.

lynn ehrlicher

September 1st, 2010
3:52 pm

So, Beck is a Mormon. I guess he’s always wearing that funny underwear they believe is so holy…but that aside, what is Beck doing trying to start a “university” when he is only a High School graduate? He never went to college and people take him seriously? How can the Dems lose to guys like this? It seems implausible except for the ignorance, stupidity and hatred of those who follow him, which I hope is the minority of Americans.

mystified

September 1st, 2010
3:52 pm

Yes, I’m confused. A Christian should believe like a Christian and those beliefs should be supported in the New Testament of the Bible. BUT. I know what Mormon doctrine is and it takes a left turn at important places makes it different than Christianity. Beck is a Mormon, but the words he says on his show are not consistent with the Mormon faith. He says the words of a Christian but claims Mormonism.

Mike K

September 1st, 2010
3:52 pm

@Kamchak
I was missing a word. I was going to use debate, but address works just as well. Since, as usual, you’ve decided to quibble about irrelevant details rather than actually discuss something substantive, allow me to clarify. I’ve probably read 100 – 200 comments by you over the last few months. I have never seen you make a substantive point. Sometimes you offer a link (usually to something snarky) with little or no exposition on the subject, but that is as close as you come to really discussing an issue.

Zoey

September 1st, 2010
3:53 pm

Bs from Tucker. The only think that keeps her from playing the religion card more is her fascination with the race card. She is full of unfair hatred for anyone who does not believe and vote like she does. I can’t imagine the depth of hypocrisy required to pen this column!

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
3:59 pm

HDB,

“Reason why they DIDN’T challenge it on thr profiling side is that is was a stronger case to challenge it on th constitutional authority.”

Um, no. Try again. First, equal protection IS constitutional authority. Second, the law was challenged on grounds of Federal supremacy. Third, it wasn’t challenged on equal protection because there was no evidence of a violation of equal protection since the law hadn’t gone into effect yet. That’s the real reason why.

You re-posted it so I can only assume you agree that “Anything less than a standard that forbids consideration of race as a factor fails to make racial profiling illegal.”

I gave you the chance to disavow it and you turned me down. By your logic, clearly, affirmative action is racial profiling since it is predicated on using race as a factor in hiring. DBE programs are a form of racial profiling as well, since they use race as a factor in “leveling the playing field”. College admissions that use race as a factor in their admissions are also guilty of racial profiling.

Unless you’re also willing to label these other, quite legal programs, as illegal racial profilers, I trust you see the massive flaw in your position on SB 1070.

JJ

September 1st, 2010
4:06 pm

Sorry, have to ask the question. I’m Roman Catholic (traditionally a liberal, solidly Democratic block). I was a registered Democrat for a while, now am Libertarian as I am sick of both Democrats (lots more government) and Republicans (more government). Does that qualify me as “Christian Right” or “Christian Left” (my religious views haven’t changed over the years)?
Sorry, I don’t have the answer, as the whole label of “Religion/Right or Left politics” are mutually exclusive.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
4:14 pm

Wahoo September 1st, 2010
3:59 pm

The problem is that Affirmative Action is NOT racial profiling, for it only grants ACCESS to those who have not previously had access to employment or educaton. All it requires is consideration; a minority doe NOT have to be hired. That consideration must be based on similar qualifications!!

Diversity should be a desired quantity for a diverse work staff would open previously untapped marketplaces…..

There’s no flaw…..one is targeted to expand a market (AA)….another is target to practice and legalize discrimination (1070)!!

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
4:20 pm

JJ@4:06, Actually, the labels are broad generalizations. But they generally have more to do with your beliefs about certain social issues, such as abortion and same-sex marriage.

War Eagle

September 1st, 2010
4:34 pm

Cynthia, you would SELL your soul to damage conservatives. It would`nt be so bad if you were honest and straight forward on some your crirticism.
Taking talk off the streets and making it a issue without sources is SOUR journalism. Blogging about Glen Beck after a nightmare speech by the president shows your direction…BACKWARDS

HDB

September 1st, 2010
4:53 pm

This is FUNNY! A conservative columnist cracks on Glenn Beck!!

My name is Glenn Beck, and I need help
By Kathleen Parker
Wednesday, September 1, 2010

Despite all the words spilled in evaluating Glenn Beck’s tent-less revival last weekend, the real meaning may have been hiding in plain sight.

“Hi. My name is Glenn, and I’m messed up.”

Any cursory search of Beck quotes also reveals the language of the addict:
– “It is still morning in America. It just happens to be kind of a head-pounding, hung-over, vomiting-for-four-hours kind of morning in America.”

– “I have not heard people in the Republican Party yet admit that they have a problem.”

VERY INTERESTING!!!!

Lu Dog

September 1st, 2010
5:06 pm

You go girl!!! Run wicked man.

gmaye

September 1st, 2010
5:15 pm

for all you dumb tailor conservatives, who get your news from Hannity, Beck, Rush who blams Obama do your research,

Nation’s Unemployment At 14-Year High
by Jim Zarroli

November 7, 2008

The Labor Department has said the nation’s unemployment rate rose to 6.5 percent in October, its highest rate in 14 years. The report said 240,000 jobs were lost, worse than expected. This year, 1.2 million jobs have been lost.

John C.

September 1st, 2010
5:18 pm

Cynthia Tucker is a black racist who’s spent her entire career helping to cover up and sponsor black on white racist violence like rape, robbery, and murder, including racist violence against children. She doesn’t have the moral right to lecture anyone on anything, particularly bigotry. The almost unbroken torrent of racist hate-spew that the extreme left has been directing toward whites since Obama has been elected, hate-spew that has resulted in a distinct up tick of racist assaults against whites, will result in a slaughter in the next election, and justly so.

gmaye

September 1st, 2010
5:22 pm

nothing is free, Hannity makes 30 mil year, Beck, 35 mil, Rush 50 mil, pimping poor white trailor.

bushwacker

September 1st, 2010
5:43 pm

Cindy,

After your ugly smear attack on Newt yesterday you need to check yourself honey after this comment about Beck,
Take his latest smear, an ugly attack on President Obama’s religious beliefs. “Most Christians don’t recognize (Obama’s) version of Christianity,” Beck told Fox News interviewer Chris Wallace after the rally.

Do you know how to have a discussuion without making personal attacks?

Hell no because that’s all you libs have because of the crazy policies the crazy democrats keep passing.

Oh i forgot, crazy ain’t crazy to crazy people!

Damn,I sound as intelligent as OBAMA, I think I’ll run for Pres!

bushwacker

September 1st, 2010
5:46 pm

I heard some left wingers talking about how they just can’t understand how 25% (I BELIEVE ITS MUCH HIGHR THAN THAT) of Americans think Obama is a muslim???

I agree with them, what the hell is the other 75% thinking!

gmaybearacist

September 1st, 2010
5:46 pm

gmaye – those unemployment numbers look rosy compared to the current stats…

bushwacker

September 1st, 2010
5:48 pm

Rep party has a huge problem, and it that most uneducated people for democratic!!!

redneckbluedog

September 1st, 2010
5:53 pm

The Southern Baptist Leadership Council has an entire section describing it’s offical stance on Mormonism…and it is not pretty…but hey, somebody has to hold others accountable when it comes to faith…I personally don’t care for the secrecy that accompanies Mormonism…that and the misogyny….

killerj

September 1st, 2010
6:16 pm

If you would have said Primitive Babtist I would stick a snake…………….. with brimstone to come,glad to see a white boy pisses you off,sorta like a sharpton or jackson on the other side.

ND

September 1st, 2010
6:22 pm

The only difference between Christianity/Islam and Bloods/Crips is that the forces controlling Christianity and Islam are wealthier. When a religion starts assessing its success based on how many people they can coerce into their beliefs, they become nothing more than a gang.

Williebkind

September 1st, 2010
6:25 pm

I posted yesterday the liberals were going to be fun. And I stated they will become violate, will riot in the streets, and cause death. Well it happened today. Yep this blog about Beck and Christains is just halarious. The truth is murdered by tucker, hdb, gg, and many others. Now a wacko liberal is killed today in the Discovery building while pointing a gun at a one of many hostages. Yep he thought the Discovery channel was doing harm to this earth. I think we should blame Al Gore. Conservative friends, the liberals are getting dangerous. They are evil and do evil things.

fox news hater

September 1st, 2010
6:25 pm

beck,limbaugh,palin,hannity continue to get richer and richer by dishing out misinformation,lies,scare tactics to poor white folks as they get poorer and poorer voting away thier interest as they believe everything the 4 i mention spew out without doing any research on thier own due to laziness and being very gulliable with a huge dose of racism …heaven help america as we go backwards instead of forward and is the reason we cant get anything positive done in this country and the country has taken a nose dive as far as progression compared to european countries..when will us white american see thru palin,hannity,beck limbaugh??..folks they are rich and very rich AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOU OTHER THAN GET YOU ALL RILED UP WHILE THEY MAKE MILLIONS!!!

Williebkind

September 1st, 2010
6:31 pm

ND

September 1st, 2010
6:22 pm
In your frame of mind, a kind gentle dictator is no different than a rigid but freely elected leader. You are so misinformed. Like the liberal lady on tv said today you need to be re-educated.

Williebkind

September 1st, 2010
6:32 pm

fox news hater

September 1st, 2010
6:25 pm
You need to stop spiking that kool ade.

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
6:35 pm

HDB,

You’re pretty funny, as you are now arguing with yourself.

“The problem is that Affirmative Action is NOT racial profiling, for it only grants ACCESS to those who have not previously had access to employment or educaton.”

Anything less than a standard that forbids consideration of race as a factor fails to make racial profiling illegal.”

These two statements are clearly incompatible. AA, DBE and college admissions at public universities all use race as a consideration. By the standard you’ve agreed to above, all fit the bill as racial profilers.

You can contort your logic all you like and it is humorous to watch you do so, but at a fundamental level you cannot explain that using race as a consideration in public-funded police enforcement action is terrible, but using race as a consideration in public-funded government contracting, hiring, and school admissions is acceptable. Either government should and can use race as a consideration in making decisions, or it shouldn’t. Which is it?

Auburn Fan

September 1st, 2010
6:40 pm

First off – I read your post so don’t say I didn’t.

You are very good at getting me (and lots of others) to read your posts even though we probably don’t agree.

There are a lot of upset voters. This rally was only about showing some passion for things that these people believe in. I see nothing to be critical about.

Beck is a patriot. That much is obvious. Is Jerimiah Wright a patriot?

Williebkind

September 1st, 2010
6:41 pm

Wahoo they can use(AA) race if it promotes minorities. If it does not promote minority races then it is profiling. What about hilary decrying to the UN Arizona is violating human rights? OMG!!

Anna

September 1st, 2010
6:49 pm

So Beck is guilty of “rancid” religious comments about Obama, but Cynthia can make thinly veiled, contemptuous comments about Mormonism and that’s okay. The irony of this column is hard to stomach and Tucker’s religious bigotry is laid bare for all to see. This psuedo analysis is so typical of the left – name calling is okay for me but not for thee. Beck’s rally seemed to be about let’s turn to God and Tucker’s problem with that is………..?

Anna

September 1st, 2010
6:59 pm

And one more thing, I had no idea Cynthia was so deeply guided by what the Southern Baptists say. As for the Baptist position on Mormons, they can believe what they want but alot of what they believe is inaccurate and may be based on their desire to not lose parishioners. Ministers are compensated based on the size of the congregations. Mormons don’t have a paid ministry and don’t preach against other religions from the pulpit. They are too busy teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.

common sense isn't so common

September 1st, 2010
7:06 pm

ctucker

September 1st, 2010
8:51 am

Joe, It’s wrong for anyone to question anyone else’s religious beliefs. None of us is God.
————————————————————————————————-

Hypocrite! Why did you write this article then?

common sense isn't so common

September 1st, 2010
7:12 pm

gmaye

September 1st, 2010
5:22 pm

nothing is free, Hannity makes 30 mil year, Beck, 35 mil, Rush 50 mil, pimping poor white trailor.
————————————————————————————————–
how much has nobama and clinton made off pimping the minorities in this country?

[...] a Mormon stand on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and call on evangelical Christians to …Southern Baptists say Beck is no Christian, eitherAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Conservative, moderate Baptist thinkers criticize Glenn Beck [...]

shotgunplanet

September 1st, 2010
7:43 pm

all this tribble about religous fanatics … and not a word about Jeremiah Wright…??? Cynthia, your prejudice is apparent.

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
7:56 pm

Williebkind,

You can lead the horse to water, but if they don’t drink, there’s only so much you can do. It’s long been known that college admissions use race as a consideration, and because AA and DBE exist, it is obvious that the government legally countenances the consideration of race in a whole host of ways.

HDB boxed him/herself into a corner by saying that race couldn’t be a factor in any way lest you run afoul of racial profiling. That’s simply an indefensible position in light of how race is used as a factor in so many other, legal, ways. Then you get the predictable pretzel-contortions of: “it enhances diversity” or “it’s granting access”…sure, if you’re the beneficiary. But in a world with finite government contracts, jobs and college admission slots, if you’re not the beneficiary, race was used as a potential consideration in some way that caused you harm – sorta like how race can be used as a consideration for police action in SB 1070.

A few weeks ago, I recall reading one of the left-leaning people on one of these AJC blogs post that the government cannot discriminate in any way. It was high comedy – all one has to do is look around and you’ll see tons of ways in which the government legally discriminates.

UNO

September 1st, 2010
8:04 pm

Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Repent Sinners.

Scout

September 1st, 2010
8:36 pm

This can be summed up in one verse:

1 John 4:1

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

Get Media Alerts – Huffington Post (blog)

September 1st, 2010
10:57 pm

[...] and/or Deists, not Christians. So were three of the five men charged with writing the …Southern Baptists say Beck is no Christian, eitherAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Conservative, moderate Baptist thinkers criticize Glenn Beck [...]

g8tgod

September 2nd, 2010
12:52 am

Ms. Tucker,

I was really disappointed with this article. It’s not that we disagree; that happens often. But I usually enjoy reading you on a variety of subjects, and this was… beneath you. I’ve come to expect better.

The ad hominem on Beck (”a talented huckster,” the comparisons to Elmer Gantry and Father Coughlin) is so out of place as to distract from the point you’re actually trying to make here.Your accusations of religious bigotry against McConnell and Moore don’t stick either; McConnell said he’d take the president at his word, which is really all you can ask of him, and Moore is the dean of a seminary, noting that Beck is not an orthodox Christian. No big secret there, and if he doesn’t think Christians should have participated in the rally, I don’t think that rises to the level of bigotry (a la Coughlin). All in all, a strange column.

I am no republican and I’m not a fan of Glenn Beck. But this was a poor effort. You are a Pulitzer prize winner. You can – and should – do better.

[...] of faith and believers in God are the ones that Beck …Get Media AlertsHuffington Post (blog)Southern Baptists say Beck is no Christian, eitherAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Evangelical Scholar Troubled by Theological Ambiguity at Beck [...]

Lil' Barry Bailout

September 2nd, 2010
5:43 am

So the Idiot Messiah’s religion should be of no interest to us, but you write a whole post all by yourself, with only minimal cut-and-pastes, on Glen Beck’s religious beliefs?

Hypocrite.

Mr Right

September 2nd, 2010
9:52 am

In an on-air interview, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell gave the most tepid support possible to Obama’s religious identity. “The president says he’s a Christian. I take him at his word,” McConnell said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” McConnell surely remembers the criticism Obama endured in 2008 over the sermons of his then-pastor, Jeremiah Wright, who headed a United Church of Christ in Chicago. Yet, he intentionally signaled room for doubt about Obama’s religion.

By their fruits ye shall know them !

Mr Right

September 2nd, 2010
9:54 am

Lil’ Barry Bailout

September 2nd, 2010
5:43 am

So the Idiot Messiah’s religion should be of no interest to us, but you write a whole post all by yourself, with only minimal cut-and-pastes, on Glen Beck’s religious beliefs?

Hypocrite.

Judge not that ye be not judged !

Michael

September 2nd, 2010
11:59 am

Yes, Glenn Beck is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormon. However, the article is extremely misleading. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are indeed Christian. They believe in the Christ born to the Virgin Mary, who atoned and died for our sins, and who rose on the third day. I’m pretty sure that believing in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ qualifies one to be a Christian.

I’m dumbfounded the article, and most likely the author, neglected to include a comment or statement of definition from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is easy to allow a bias to creep in, but it is misleading and defaming. Unlike the Southern Baptist Convention, Mormons include the name of Christ in the official title of the church.

Taking the word of one of the primary propagators of Anti-Mormon propaganda and non-tolerant rhetoric defeats many of the arguments previously made by the author. A bias against Beck should not be an opportunity to use his faith as a “journalistic football” in an attempt to discredit a viewpoint opposed by the author. An integrity has been compromised.

In Short… Mormons, or member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, are indeed Christians.

[...] BeckHuffington Post (blog)Kirk Cameron Joins the Anti-Mormon Chorus (Sort Of)Religion DispatchesSouthern Baptists say Beck is no Christian, eitherAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)First Things (blog) -Episcopal-Life -Christian Postall [...]

[...] BeckHuffington Post (blog)Kirk Cameron Joins the Anti-Mormon Chorus (Sort Of)Religion DispatchesAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog) -First Things (blog) -Episcopal-Lifeall 344 news [...]

Gina

September 2nd, 2010
5:03 pm

I’m a non-denominational Christian and conservative. My point of view is my own. I don’t expect anyone else to share it and I don’t share it with strangers. I’m not affiliated with any religious doctrine but was raised Christian/Roman Catholic. I would never venture to challenge Obama’s beliefs. He’s a political figure and he doesn’t need to explain his religous beliefs. I have listened to Glenn Beck on occassion when channel surfing. He’s not my idea of a representative of any socio-politico group. He is self appointed but most of the people I know don’t know who he is or if they do, think he’s a joke. I don’t take him seriously but I do not like remarks implying that he’s some leader and we’re all sheep. That’s just nonsense. That’s like saying Al Sharpton is the Democratic leader.

[...] Christians and MormonsPew Research CenterAn Open Letter to Glenn Beck from Jim WallisChristian PostAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog) -Religion Dispatches -Huffington Post (blog)all 387 news [...]

Kimberly Megan

September 4th, 2010
12:34 pm

I may just be a ‘kid’ by most ‘adult’ standards, but it seems…unconstitutional to place everything on religion and other related, controversial, non-issues.

Yes, as a student taking US History, I know that many of our great nation’s values are Christian in origin. Yes, I am Southern Baptist myself. But is there really any reason to place such importance on something trivial? Most of the world isn’t any denomination of Christianity. So why does it matter so long as there is nothing illegal going on?

That is the question I pose to all the ‘adults’ out there who are so hung up over ‘is our President a muslim?’.

vassakara

September 5th, 2010
7:30 pm

Stoking the fire for Obama and bulk of the “could have beens” in November via critiquing Beck, the winning class of 2010, or the hopefuls of 2012 will not stop this train called Constitution.

Far before the economy faultered and the the “Browning of America” started this country began to fall from the beliefs of its founding fathers.

My disappointment comes with Cynthia. Having not read the column for a while and catching up the last month, was by far a surprise. Race doesn’t have to be a card in play. It can stay in the deck and never be dealt.

From an employers perspective, talent is talent. Talent proves itself, or it does not. When it does not prove itself, you find talent that does. You find people that can make that difficult call, a winning call without paying someone to look over their shoulder. This is what the US is about to do. We currently have followers in positions where we need leaders, that have the confidence and knowledge to make the difficult call, a winning call. This is a process, like the process this country face post WW2.

Please stand for a winning solution for this country, not for a losing group of individuals that see no value in the individual as a winner.

Julie Branom

September 6th, 2010
4:07 am

And the Southern Baptists are who? The audacity of bunch of religionists to decide who is a Christian or not is the very reason that we must fear a mixing of faith and government. Our founders knew this well, while most shared a belief in the saving atonement of Christ, the Lord Jesus, the Son of God, they feared that a majority of religionists would control what was the accepted brand of Faith. I disagree with Beck, we must not turn our government towards God, we must turn ourself towards God, that will take care of the latter. We have to start by loving God and our Brother Jesus Christ and loving our brother of all faiths. Keep Government out of my religion and religion out of my government. Because of my faith, I am not only LDS but I am liberal. You can’t be conservative and be a Christian.

killerbug

September 7th, 2010
12:46 am

SBC’ers again deciding who is Christian and who is not. SSSSSSSSSSSSnore………….

[...] the reliably left MSM is really trying to use it as a wedge to divide us as conservatives between faiths and between conservative and liberals inside Mormonism.  (That reporter keeps going here)  [...]

Paco

September 7th, 2010
7:07 pm

Enter your comments here

Granny Godzilla

September 10th, 2010
8:33 am

For Baby G

After the longest 2 days of my life….6 pounds 4 ounces, 19 inches, lotsa dark hair and really big feet for a little punkin.

Mother and son are doing well.