Southern Baptists say Beck is no Christian, either

WASHINGTON — Glenn Beck is a talented huckster, a shrewd survivor who may be in the middle of another self-reinvention. This time, he seems bent on remaking himself as one of the oldest of the stock all-American characters: the Elmer Gantry-like preacher-performer.

Last weekend, Beck held a rally on the National Mall, “Restoring Honor,” calling the nation back to what he sees as its traditional Christian roots. Beck gets a lot of things wrong, including history. Moreover, he’s an odd spokesman for conservative Christianity, since he’s Mormon.

But never mind all that. One of this country’s many charms is its capacity to weave an assortment of eccentrics into its cultural fabric without being ripped apart by their bizarre sentiments. If the country survived the pronouncements of Father Charles Coughlin — a Roman Catholic priest whose 1930s-era radio show reverberated with praise for Hitler and noxious attacks on Jews — it can survive Beck’s pseudo-theology.

Still, there are dangers for those mainstream Republicans who tack too closely to Beck’s currents. Sarah Palin will hardly be damaged by her appearance as one of Beck’s featured speakers on Saturday, since she is already one of the most polarizing figures in national politics. Her approval rating hovers in the mid-30s.

But other prominent Republicans who hope to maintain political respectability should beware of him. Beck’s demagoguery is corrosive.

Take his latest smear, an ugly attack on President Obama’s religious beliefs. “Most Christians don’t recognize (Obama’s) version of Christianity,” Beck told Fox News interviewer Chris Wallace after the rally.

That sort of rancid dismissal of the religious beliefs of liberal-leaning public figures has been a tactic of the religious right since the 1970s, but I had believed (or had hoped) it was dying away after Republicans overused their holier-than-thou, family-values playbook in the Karl Rove era. A catalog of sexual scandals involving conservative politicians made it clear that their private behavior was no more pure for all their public piousness. The GOP seemed willing to drop the religion card.

But the opportunity to paint President Obama as “the other” has proved too great to pass up. As Islamophobia rises and the rightwing noise machine echoes with its nsistence that Obama is Muslim, GOP luminaries exploit the frenzy for short-term political gain.

In an on-air interview, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell gave the most tepid support possible to Obama’s religious identity. “The president says he’s a Christian. I take him at his word,” McConnell said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”  McConnell surely remembers the criticism Obama endured in 2008 over the sermons of his then-pastor, Jeremiah Wright, who headed a United Church of Christ in Chicago. Yet, he intentionally signaled room for doubt about Obama’s religion.

McConnell and other conservatives play that hand at their peril. As they anticipate a hard-fought presidential campaign in 2012, one of the GOP’s most able contenders is likely to be Mitt Romney, a Mormon. The former Massachusetts governor was handicapped by religious prejudices in 2008, as many Christian conservatives, dismissing Mormonism as a “cult,” refused to support him. Does McConnell mean to stir up those prejudices?

Beck, by the way, has also been subjected to harsh appraisals by Christian fundamentalists. His rally had barely ended before Russell Moore, a dean at Louisville’s Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, denounced it, along with the conservative Christians who attended. “Mormonism and Mammonism are contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ,” Moore wrote.

Beck likely doesn’t care; his bank account (and his ego) will only grow larger as a result of the attention. But he has stirred the winds of religious bigotry, and the GOP may reap the whirlwind.

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paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am

White Man, I am not a liberal, but can I play?

1 – I like smaller government, which includes the DoD (unecessary, wasteful, counter-productive wars).

2 – I prefer lower taxes, and I do not see the difference between taxing Americans to fund pork, or borrowing money from China to fund pork. there is no difference between “tax and spend” and “no tax and spend”.

3 – I do not believe in “liberty” liberty is a card trick used to control people. it is a concept, and homo sapiens cannot grasp the concept.

4 – I do not believe “you get what you earn”. you get what you get, or you get what you take by force. again, if I build a bicycle and sell it, or purchase a bicyle and re-sell it, I supposed I have “earned” whatever profits exist when the transactions close. BUT, does some Wall Street cowboy who sells hawks derivitives (knowing he is selling bad paper) “earn” the $10 million commission he “gets” from his employer?

HDB

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am

So I have a few questions for all the liberals on the blog….

* Do you prefer large government or smaller government?
Answer: EFFECTIVE Government…one that protects the rights of the people, maintains a safety net for those who need it, creates the right atmosphere for growth…..personal and economic!

* Do prefer higher taxes or lower taxes?
Answer:PROPER taxation – higher taxes in times of war to pay for the war effort; progressive tax rates

* Do you believe in liberty. Answer: Who doesn’t??

* Do you believe you get what you earn? If all is EQUAL….but we know that equality does not completely exist……..

Just sayin’…..

Hankie Aron

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am

Guys, Guys,
CT only writes this nonsense (which she is paid to do and has full right to do so because it’s HER unbalanced opinion column) because the tide has turned on the Liberals and she has to defend them by calling Glenn Beck names because Lord knows the Liberals are getting buried on the issues. Face it people, 2/3 of the country is conservative. Disagree if you want, Thank God it’s your right to do so, but don’t cry when November is a bloodbath and 2012 is a landslide. Remember Scott Brown won in Ted Kennedy’s backyard

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
11:14 am

kayaker 71

85000

get real

From Huffpo:
Sky News: 500,000
NBC News: 300,000
D.C. Official: 300,000-325,000
Glenn Beck: 300,000-500,000
ABC News: 100,000+
CBS News: 87,000

Can Granny Godzilla get anything correct?

Words and Definitions

September 1st, 2010
11:14 am

Funny how people like to identify themselves as “Christian” when the opportunity some sort of public personal gain suites the occasion; but divorce themselves of those ideals when going about their own agendas in the shadows.

Today, it seems anyone can “call” themselves a “Christian”…especially when there are so many definitions of what that really means floating around. The Holy Bible clearly gives the ONLY true definition and there is but one judge to decide whether the Obama’s, Beck’s and anyone in this world truly is a Christian…and that is God himself. The bottom line is that if you do not believe the Scriptures and abide by them…you will find the intolerant side of God.

The days of everything being “PC” and that people should be so “tolerant” about everything has given our nation the backbone of a jellyfish! The Founding Fathers looked to the Scriptures to find wisdom in how to govern (they have been etched in stone saying so all over DC!), but unfortunately our politicians today are “too smart” for such “antiquated thinking”…

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:14 am

Some people are stupid….That is actually a very good post. Although you avoided to answer all of the questions. Tell me this….what is the role of the federal government?

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:15 am

White man….It’s your “heritage” The KKK, under the guise of “White Christian purity” (”I want my country back”). committed terrorist acts for decades that your party celebrates (and refuse to apologize for). Remember? Rep Gov. Bob McDonnell issued proclamation celebrating the Confederacy. Initially left the legacy of slavery out. He also gave a response to President Obama’s second SOTU for the former headquarters of the Confederacy. Check your party! They seem to think you’re a party of racists.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

White Man-

What question did I avoid. You asked my opinion and I gave it to you.

Their role is defined in the US Constitution

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Who is “they”?

Goldie

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, Ted Haggard, Glenn Beck — all mighty fine hucksters for the right-wing extremists!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Ok is healthcare in the US Constitution?

Hankie Aron

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Words- you are right no one can judge who is a Christian and who is not, only God can. But if you call yourself a Christian you definately cannot pick and choose which parts you will abide by and which you will not. It’s all or nothing

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:18 am

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:18 am

BTW….I am actually black….I just like making conversation.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
11:20 am

Big D

September 1st, 2010
11:12 am
HDB…who is being wronged …Today….continually.

Those who keep saying that liberals don’t want the best for the nation are wronging those liberals who do! Those who keep saying that black people don’t believe in hard work and education are wronging those who have accomplished those who have achieved by that pathway! Those who keep saying that conservaticves have the only correct thought patterns and the only way are wronging those who have achieved through progressive ideas and pathways!!

There’re more ways to succeed than just the conservative pathways….there are progressive policies that made this nation better!!

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
11:21 am

Wahoo

as i pointed out to union

“un” was the key word in unofficial estimates

how about Michele Bachmann 1 million 600 thousand…..

and it’s not like they don’t have a history of inflating numbers….what was the one recently were Hannity’s team used footage from rally A to prove attendance at rally B?

300,000 Piffle.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:21 am

HDB….That was actually a pretty good post….good job.

Words and Definitions

September 1st, 2010
11:21 am

@ Hankie…

I agree, and your point is?

Scout

September 1st, 2010
11:21 am

Make your own decision:

“In many important ways, the religion differs from orthodoxy as held by Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christianity. To those for whom Christianity is defined by that orthodoxy, Mormonism’s differences place it outside the umbrella of Christianity altogether.

Mormons believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Messiah, the crucifixion as a final offering and his resurrection. However, Latter Day Saints reject the ecumenical creeds and definition of the Trinity taught by the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Anglican Communion, and Trinitarian Protestantism.

Founder Joseph Smith Jr. was a Judeophile who in the earliest days of Mormonism taught that the Indigenous peoples of the Americas were members of some of the Lost Tribes of Israel.

The Mormon church teaches two kinds of salvation, neither of which can be found in the Bible. One of these kinds of salvation is an unconditional or general salvation which comes by grace alone without any obedience to gospel law and consists in the mere fact of being resurrected after death.

The second kind of salvation taught by the Mormon Church is a conditional or individual salvation. This salvation also comes by grace, but requires gospel obedience, is based on works and consists of reaching a higher level of heaven, the highest being the Celestial Kingdom of God.

The Bible contains many verses on the subject of salvation, yet not one of them speaks of the two kinds of salvation taught by the Mormon church.”

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:22 am

Only congress can declare war. Did that stop George Bush?

USMC DAWG

September 1st, 2010
11:22 am

“Some say Cynthia Tucker is a Racist, Bigoted, Moron”

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:23 am

White Man-

I knew that was the next question. This is why I consider conservatives hypocrites most of the time. It’s not my job to determine whether something is constituitonal or not. The constitution tells you who’s job that is. Its the judiciary branch. IF the Judges say something is constitutional, then it is constitutional and an allowable duty of the federal goverment. I could say all day that something is unconstitutional, but if the Supreme COurt says it is, then I am wrong.

Healthcare will have its day in court.
Welfare- Per Helering V Davis is constitutional and thus is allowable

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:24 am

Can everyone just stop using the word “racist”. It hold absolutely no weight anymore.

Lola

September 1st, 2010
11:25 am

Wahoo
September 1st, 2010
11:14 am

Glenn Beck: 300,000-500,000

So what does that number mean? There were 100,00 at the Atlanta Gay Pride last year. There were 500,000 at the Chicago Pride. So even if Back says it was 300,000 that doesn’t sound too impressive to me.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:26 am

Some People are Stupid….Again, not answering the question. A judges interpretation or opinion does not make a subject constitutional. Legally maybe but not actually.

I am just saying the more power we give to our federal government, the more power they have to take freedoms away. It is not the governments role to be in healthcare and I have about a million reasons for making that comment.

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
11:31 am

Granny, I don’t watch Hannity and I try to avoid Bachmann.

I don’t care too much for Beck’s show, but I thought the content of his message was a positive one this weeekend. However, I find it interesting that you seem so intent on disagreeing with multiple media sources that estimated how popular the event was, and YOUR number is lower than the estimates from all three networks and several other media sources.

Based on most sources, it is you who are spouting the piffle. I doubt that most of us who read the blog regularly are the least bit surprised.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:32 am

White man…Is warrantless wiretapping in the Constitution?

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:32 am

Wahoo…..GREAT POST!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:33 am

1ProudVet….Didnt you comment earlier that is the federal governments responsiblity to keep the citizens safe?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:34 am

White Man
A judges interpretation or opinion does not make a subject constitutional. Legally maybe but not actually.

That statement makes no sense…what are the judges jobs..to determine if something is constitutional.

How about a new approach…where do you determine if something is constitutional or not?

The hyperbole with helathcare. What role does the goverment play in healthcare? There will be a mandate that everyone has to have healthcare..ok..the constitutionality on that will have its day in court..you are buying the insurance from where…the government…oh no…you are buying it from a PRIVATE company…so what role is the goverment doing in regards to healthcare..if you already have coverage, the mandate didn’t really apply to you..still waiting on you to tell me what liberties this goverment has taken from you.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:34 am

I have nothing to hide….do you?

Owl

September 1st, 2010
11:35 am

Substitute “Harry Reid” with “Glen Beck” in this article and you’ll see how sad it is to be stuck in Cynthia’s world. Being a Morman isn’t is scary as she thinks.

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
11:35 am

Lola,

The number means what it means.

“So even if Back says it was 300,000 that doesn’t sound too impressive to me.”

You can be as unimpressed as you like. If you interpret my post as a tacit expression of “impressiveness”, you are divining something beyond what I have written.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:36 am

Louis Farrakhan got 500,000 on the mall in ‘95. And that was a “black men only” event. And, unlike Palin/Beck, that black Muslim acknowledged Jesus!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:36 am

Some people are stupid…SERIOUSLY?!?! Are you gullable enough to believe that. The fact is that it will be cheaper for most current insurance companies and employers to pay a government mandated fine rather than supply insurance. So guess who will then have to provide that insurance? The entire system and bill was flawed. Let me ask you this? How are we going to afford this healthcare bill?

Thomas

September 1st, 2010
11:38 am

White Man
September 1st, 2010
10:36 am
I dont think Jesus would agree with abortion, I dont think Jesus would agree with over taxation of the people, I don’t think Jesus would agree with abolishment of prayer. Where in the world do you get your ideas from????

And so White Man comes full circle. So what would Jesus say about healthcare and welfare? (Two things you seem to disagree with…)

Lola

September 1st, 2010
11:39 am

Wahoo
September 1st, 2010
11:35 am

Then stop dwelling on it. Move on.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:40 am

Thomas….what is your point?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:41 am

White Man-

The hyperbole again…if your company drops your insurance…then who was responsible before you had a job..you…I though you were about personal responsibility.. I have my own business…I don’t plan on dropping my group insurance…But lets take a look at this one sentence.

So guess who will then have to provide that insurance?

So what I see is you associate your company paying for private insurance with the government providing personal insurance…the provider of insurance didn’t change, whether you pay for it, your company pays for it, or the goverment.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:43 am

I once had an moron from the Right write me saying that America is a “Republic” meaning that if ONE person disagrees with something a President does, that makes what he does “Tyranny.”

That’s what the Secessionists thought.

sedition, I tell you.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:45 am

Some People are Stupid….Again not true….Currently an employee pays a portion of the insurance costs that are shared with the company. It does change…Because at some point we will all be responsible for paying the insurance and medical costs of the uninsured today.

Big D

September 1st, 2010
11:45 am

Hdb…
I see those things on a metaphorical plane..things up for interpretation with no true mandate from a government or controlling entity. I guess I was thinking from some of your other posts that there was still a segment of American society that was somehow being misused or not adequately represented in the ability to rise above what ever station they were born to.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:47 am

That’s why Ronald Reagan gave the speech in Philadelphia MS. He and Cheney also supported Apartheid

Jack

September 1st, 2010
11:48 am

If you are gonna consider what you get from movies as wisdom, you got a problem.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
11:51 am

White Man-
Depends on the job. Must first employer paid 100% of my insurance.

Because at some point we will all be responsible for paying the insurance and medical costs of the uninsured today.

Uhmm do we not do that now…What do you think they do with those ER cost for indigent people. The pass them on to those who pay. As far as the changing goes, the provider didn’t change. Thats the point I was trying to stress..The law didn’t say governement was providing health insurance…the law said that a subsidy would be given to “PURCHASE” health insurance… The Provider didn’t change.. If I have BCBS now…lost my job…got a government subsidy…my insurance provider, would still be BCBS…I technically pay my own health insurance…got the same provider I had when I worked for a company…

Wahoo

September 1st, 2010
11:52 am

Lola,

First, I’m not dwelling on it. You are again guilty of divining things in my post. I’m making a point that Granny, as usual, is the person spouting piffle. I’m sorry something that obvious has eluded you.

Second, this is an open blog. I wouldn’t need to abide by your directive to “stop dwelling on it” even if I were guilty of doing so.

If you have a meaningful contribution to make, I invite you to make it. Have a nice day.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
11:52 am

Oh, and did you know Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants?

You Right wingers should be quiet. White Democrats are perfect foil. Pursuing you terrorists is like trying catch Osama Bin Laden after he fled into the country with largest Muslim population on earth.

Problem? the population is sympathetic to his views!

Dearie

September 1st, 2010
11:55 am

“Her (Sarah Palin) approval rating hovers in the mid-30s.”
Gosh – isn’t that what President Obama rating is????

White Man

September 1st, 2010
11:56 am

1ProudVet…You should be proud…you just won the award for biggest idiot of the day! Great job.

ButtHead

September 1st, 2010
11:57 am

I love the hypocrisy of CT, when they do something she does not like, gay day at Disney the southern Baptist protested, CT went crazy at how stupid and irrelevant the southern Baptist are. But wait they say something she can capitalize on suddenly they are relevant, why is that CT? Your loser leftist attitude is showing CT…..