Southern Baptists say Beck is no Christian, either

WASHINGTON — Glenn Beck is a talented huckster, a shrewd survivor who may be in the middle of another self-reinvention. This time, he seems bent on remaking himself as one of the oldest of the stock all-American characters: the Elmer Gantry-like preacher-performer.

Last weekend, Beck held a rally on the National Mall, “Restoring Honor,” calling the nation back to what he sees as its traditional Christian roots. Beck gets a lot of things wrong, including history. Moreover, he’s an odd spokesman for conservative Christianity, since he’s Mormon.

But never mind all that. One of this country’s many charms is its capacity to weave an assortment of eccentrics into its cultural fabric without being ripped apart by their bizarre sentiments. If the country survived the pronouncements of Father Charles Coughlin — a Roman Catholic priest whose 1930s-era radio show reverberated with praise for Hitler and noxious attacks on Jews — it can survive Beck’s pseudo-theology.

Still, there are dangers for those mainstream Republicans who tack too closely to Beck’s currents. Sarah Palin will hardly be damaged by her appearance as one of Beck’s featured speakers on Saturday, since she is already one of the most polarizing figures in national politics. Her approval rating hovers in the mid-30s.

But other prominent Republicans who hope to maintain political respectability should beware of him. Beck’s demagoguery is corrosive.

Take his latest smear, an ugly attack on President Obama’s religious beliefs. “Most Christians don’t recognize (Obama’s) version of Christianity,” Beck told Fox News interviewer Chris Wallace after the rally.

That sort of rancid dismissal of the religious beliefs of liberal-leaning public figures has been a tactic of the religious right since the 1970s, but I had believed (or had hoped) it was dying away after Republicans overused their holier-than-thou, family-values playbook in the Karl Rove era. A catalog of sexual scandals involving conservative politicians made it clear that their private behavior was no more pure for all their public piousness. The GOP seemed willing to drop the religion card.

But the opportunity to paint President Obama as “the other” has proved too great to pass up. As Islamophobia rises and the rightwing noise machine echoes with its nsistence that Obama is Muslim, GOP luminaries exploit the frenzy for short-term political gain.

In an on-air interview, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell gave the most tepid support possible to Obama’s religious identity. “The president says he’s a Christian. I take him at his word,” McConnell said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”  McConnell surely remembers the criticism Obama endured in 2008 over the sermons of his then-pastor, Jeremiah Wright, who headed a United Church of Christ in Chicago. Yet, he intentionally signaled room for doubt about Obama’s religion.

McConnell and other conservatives play that hand at their peril. As they anticipate a hard-fought presidential campaign in 2012, one of the GOP’s most able contenders is likely to be Mitt Romney, a Mormon. The former Massachusetts governor was handicapped by religious prejudices in 2008, as many Christian conservatives, dismissing Mormonism as a “cult,” refused to support him. Does McConnell mean to stir up those prejudices?

Beck, by the way, has also been subjected to harsh appraisals by Christian fundamentalists. His rally had barely ended before Russell Moore, a dean at Louisville’s Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, denounced it, along with the conservative Christians who attended. “Mormonism and Mammonism are contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ,” Moore wrote.

Beck likely doesn’t care; his bank account (and his ego) will only grow larger as a result of the attention. But he has stirred the winds of religious bigotry, and the GOP may reap the whirlwind.

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mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

September 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

1ProudVet – What will Nobama be remembered for? LYING to get elected.
“Hope and Change”, my ass.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

HDB

Everything you just wrote is based on something racial.

Stay with the democrats, Pal. You need to be where a lot of Black people are still comfortable. The Democrats are going to pity you for being Black every single day. They are going to tell you how much they love you and want to help you. They have racist writers like Ms Tucker to tell you how good the democrats are to you and how lucky you are that white democrats still love you.

The Republicans don’t care if you are Black or White. If you start looking at the results of the racist Democratic policies have done to Black people instead of looking at the promises, you will start to be ready to leave the plantation. But until then, the field masters will continue to explain how lucky you are to have the love of the Party of George Wallace.

You need to stay on the plantation. You are not even close to having what it takes to leave the plantation.

When you can construct a paragraph about politics and not include anything about race, you will be ready to put the democrats behind you. Until then, sorry Pal. You obviously need to be a democrat.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
12:49 pm

Don’t waste your time with Avenger…

barking frog

September 1st, 2010
12:50 pm

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:37 pm
we must destroy capitalism and embrace socialism
————————————————————
done that.

willie lynch

September 1st, 2010
12:50 pm

Nothing is free,

You ask me to open my mind. To what? Can you explain these happenings outside the context of a scriptural belief?

I would argue that the closed mind is the one that refuses to accept the fact that for millions of years life has exsisted and clings to a maddening theology of the world being created 6000 years ago.

Wake up please!

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:50 pm

granny Godzilla

Not that I would ever do it, but would it be OK for me to start posting quotes from “Birth of a Nation”?

Using it as a quote means that you said it.

Once again, fess up to what you say and do. The rest of us have to.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:52 pm

BillBob

No he did not.

in vain means to no avail.

He used it, and it was not in vain. God damns people and nations for their sins doesn’t he? Rev Wright pointed out the obvious.

Real strength of character is required to admit that America has done some awful things.

Do you have it?

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
12:54 pm

willie lynch

Almost everyone I know is a Christian and none believe that the earth was created 6,000 years ago.

Once again, the problem with people like you is that they never stop preaching long enough to check up on what they are preaching.

There are few people who like to preach about what they believe more than an atheist.

I rarely see any religious people coming on these blogs to preach, but you MFs think that every blog is your personal pulpit. We are sick of it. The only one trying to force others to believe what they believe is you.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
12:55 pm

Nothing for free…That “whites picked up their stuff up, while it took four days to clean up after blacks” is an old an obvious right-wing lie that I’ve heard about five variations of since Obama was Democratic nominee. Oh, wait, you probably just got that lie from Limbaugh. Were you at the Million Man march? Liar!!! It was still bigger than Beck’s rally. Notice: GOP has done nothing for two years! Oh, they voted for TARP under Bush, which is what Tea Party was supposed to angry about. Now Republicans are touting the give away.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
12:55 pm

Granny,
Once again you are changing the subject, do you deny the hate spewed from this man’s mouth….to our current President’s ears for 20 YEARS?

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:56 pm

NIF

Yes of course. Or To Kill a Mockingbird.

The adults will understand the context.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

September 1st, 2010
12:56 pm

Granny – Come back to reality – I think we all know what Rev Wrong meant. Rev Wrong is not a Mormon he’s a MORON! Only the blacks are taken in by this man of God. It doesn’t take anything to be a reverend in the black community, does it?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
12:57 pm

Billybob-
I asked you earlier, did you read the entire post regarding what Rev. Wright said…or just the sound bite?

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
12:57 pm

BillyBob

Ah, no I did not change the subject – I hit it head on.

And yes I deny Rev Wright spewed hate.

Instead I posit you read in hate where there is none.

and that sir, is a personality disorder you will have to deal with.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
12:59 pm

Ok, we can continue I am back.

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:00 pm

granny godzilla

Wright is a racist and he makes his living off being a racist.

No surprise that you support him.

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
1:00 pm

White man Get your lazy ass back to work and stop stealing from your employer.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 1st, 2010
1:01 pm

granny, and to your 12:52 I would, real, real, real strength of character would be to admit some awful things have been done in the name of god(s), so it might time for Americans to establish their own definition of “character” and end the silly practice of “outsourcing” moral values (character) to gods. in fact, my only beef with Reverend Wright is the fact that he is trying to force the square peg of American history into the round hole of his Christian “faith”. in short, Americans should be “damning America” – we are ultimately responsible and not some Christian god.

Cardinal Sin

September 1st, 2010
1:01 pm

Hey 1ProudVet

You sir are a MORON as you have no freaking clue what you are talkin about except your liberal left talking points! Your boy Bill Clinton had the perfect opportunity to get Bin Ladin and passed. You Boy Barry has done nothing but spend and blame Bush and America. He sir, has surrounded himself with Racists, like Wright, Jackson, Sharpton, and the like. The bottom line is you keep voting Democrat and yet nothing for the good ever changes. For example, look at Louisanna, until recently, the have always been governed by a Democrat. The that loser mayor down there dropped the ball during Katrina and wanted to blame Bush. LMAO!

Thank goodness Barry will be gone in 2012!

Enough Said!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:01 pm

Haha I am the employer jackrag!

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
1:02 pm

Nothtng for free…you too.

Tommy Maddox

September 1st, 2010
1:02 pm

Yeah – why write a column about last night’s lame speech anyway?

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:02 pm

1ProudVet

I was in Washington during the first million man march. Not nearly as many as Beck’s rally, but a good group of people, but they did leave a lot of trash laying around.

And the Democrats were the only people who voted for TARP. YOu guys sent the republicans in Congress home in 2007. Remember?

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
1:03 pm

SPAS,

No I didn’t read that post you are talking about.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
1:03 pm

Nothing is Free-

Have you read the entire sermon or just the sound bite?

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
1:04 pm

NIF you wouldn’t recognize a racist if you saw one in the mirror.

That’s all the troll poking for today. I promised not to stir y’all up.

oh and Paleo

excelent point

willie lynch

September 1st, 2010
1:05 pm

Nothing is free,

Free your panties from that wad. Religious people usually have an indefensible position that’s why the don’t dare come to “preach”. I asked two questions and stated a known fact. Now it is in the chronology of the religious cannon that the earth began 6000 years ago. It sound to me like you don’t believe parts of your own mumbo jumbo. Select what you will. Like the strict constitutionalist you only want the parts that apply to your liking.

And you’re right I don’t check up on what they are preaching because I know how to read and have my own powers of discernment.

Get a grip kid.

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
1:05 pm

BillyBob-

I think when you read the post you will understand what Rev. Wright was saying..I’ll let HDB post it. Not saying it was completely right what he said, but the one line that everyone gets hung up on without the rest of his sermon is taken out of context..

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

granny Godzilla

“The adults will understand the context.”"

Do you think the adult ctucker would allow me to use the N word on her blog?

Does that make her less than an adult?

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

Granny,

If you deny Wright’s hate, then anything from this point that you write about others’ hate is comical, AT BEST

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:07 pm

Some People are stupid

I heard Wright speak at Morehouse. I heard the whole speech.

He is a racist. No doubt.

Billybob

September 1st, 2010
1:08 pm

SPAS,

Understand your point…..but my view takes in to account all I have heard the man say, not just that one comment….

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:09 pm

Wright is a racist and an idiot

1ProudVet

September 1st, 2010
1:09 pm

We know Right-wingers…if they’re attacking about work ethic. it means they’re wasting their employers time at work. If they are attacking about family values, it means they are adulterers. Notice how the “Christian” party continues to support. Daivd Vitter, John Ensign, and Rick Scott (the guy whose company got fined 1.5 billion for de-frauding medicare)…right at home.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:09 pm

Nothing Is Free September 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

The Republicans don’t care if you are Black or White. If you start looking at the results of the racist Democratic policies have done to Black people instead of looking at the promises, you will start to be ready to leave the plantation.

Let’s examine a few things:

1) Democrats signed the Civil Rights Act….conservatives/Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party, came over to the GOP. added a racist paradigm…

2) GOP turned into an “all white party” under Teddy Roosevelt — even though the GOP was co-founded by black people

3) Ronald Reagan advocated segregation in Philadelphia, MS in 1980

4) Those minority examples that the GOP places forth were successes via programs that the GOP desire to ELIMINATE!

5) The ability to REASON based on history and actual occurrances has no color…..but the actions taken by the majority of this nation HAVE been based on color!!

6) If there WERE Republicans that would ask for my vote, consider me as a part of the CONSTITUENCY, campaign in my neighborhood, address issues that are important to me…and my community……then I would consider the possibility!!

7) The promises are based on what a PERSON desires….but the access to the pathways that make the promises reality are based on what the government protects for the populace!!

I AM looking at the reality…..not the fiction that many try to proport!! I’m not on a plantation….I’ve achieved much of what I’ve desired….but I look at the history…and I look at what’s happening! The more things change, the more they stay the same!!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:09 pm

Medicare should not exist.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:11 pm

HDB….where do you get your facts? Let me guess you are a college student?

Nothing Is Free

September 1st, 2010
1:12 pm

willie lynch

“”It sound to me like you don’t believe parts of your own mumbo jumbo.”"

You know, we eat leavened bread and during that time of the month, we don’t make the women go set in a tent by themselves any more either. Religions evolve.

Yes, you are preaching and you are preaching to others who really don’t give a damn about what you believe so why don’t you leave everyone alone about your silly s55ed religion, or lack there of.

No body wants to hear you preach any more than you want to hear anyone else.

Try to call it what you want and you continue to lecture strangers about what they should believe and what they shouldn’t.

NO ONE wants to push their beliefs off on others more than those who don’t have the character to believe anything.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:13 pm

BillyBob….

I posted Rev. Wright’s speech earlier today…but..here it is again. Get PAST the sound byte and read the speech for the full context!!

“Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontus Pilot – Pontius Pilate – the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from east to west. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonised Kenya, Guana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian decent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese decent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African decent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them in slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing “God Bless America.” No, no, no. Not “God Bless America”; God Damn America! That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating her citizens as less than human. God Damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!
The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African decent. Think about this, think about this. For every 1 Oprah, a billionaire, you got five million Blacks who are out of work. For every 1 Colin Powell, a millionaire, you got ten million Blacks who cannot read. For every 1 “Condeskeeza” Rice, you got one million in prison. For every 1 Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters with his cat-blazing hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women; God has this way of bringing you short when you get too big for your cat-blazing britches. For every 1 Tiger Woods, we got ten thousand Black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African decent. But I’m fitting to help you one last time – turn to your neighbour and say “he’s fitting to help us one last time.” Turn back and say “Forgive him for the ‘God Damn’, that’s in the Bible Lord.” Blessings and cursing is in the Bible, it’s in the Bible. But I’m fitting to help you one last time. Let me tell you something.
Where governments fail, God never fails.”

Prez Obozo

September 1st, 2010
1:13 pm

CT you just can’t stop. You are simply upset because someone white organized a march/gathering! I feel you actually believe the right to march/gather is for black people only. You support ANY ideas regardless of the consequences as long is they are proposed by someone of YOUR choice of skin color. I would be curious to know how you feel about Herman Cain who is an intelligent & sensible thinking black American who does not play the race card. Myself of course is powerless to do anything to combat your thoughts, ideas or writings. However I will protest with a means I can use. The holidays are coming up & I usually try to donate to the Clark Howard Christmas gifts for kids & Toys for tots. I’m sure you know where most of these gifts goes. This year I will only adopt families for donations which I can research & learn what I want to about them. Lots will be weeded out. If you can do everything in your power to upset race relations which is what you do best then I can do what little I have a right to do & that is to donate to needy families of MY choice. That’s something you , Jessie & Sharpton, who by the way use the Reverend in their titles for tax purposes only, can do NOTHING about!

Crzdir

September 1st, 2010
1:13 pm

You suggest that if you’re Mormon, you can’t hold the same beliefs as a conservative Christian. “Moreover, he’s an odd spokesman for conservative Christianity, since he’s Mormon.”

This is classical use of divisive language, which is the same tactics used when pitting the “haves” against the “have nots” when arguing in favor of higher taxes for the “rich”, and also when pitting big corporations against “the working class” to show liberal support for organized labor.

Remember the big Mormon push in California for the Gay Marriage vote? Mormons were “crucified” as right-wing radicals who were sticking their noses in CA business. Maybe it’s me, but isn’t it obvious you’re trying to have it both ways? In CA, Mormons were portrayed as untra-conservative radicals, but now with Beck, you are trying to separate Mormons from conservativism?

Here’s your liberal end game: This kind of talk is meant to divide “conservative Christians” from Mormons–but most importantly, one specific Mormon: Mitt Romney. While I’m not Mormon, nor at the moment, a supporter of any one conservative candidate, your commentary tell me liberals are getting desperate.

While you correctly point out that right now, Romney seems to be the likely candidate to run against Obama in 2012, what you also clearly recognize is
– the public’s frustration for what the Obama Administration is/is not doing about issues like jobs, war, the southern border, health care, “transparency”, etc.
– the general vulnerability of the Democrats, likely as a result of their support of Obama’s leap to the left
– the momentum generated by the Tea Party movement that Beck, Palin, Romney, and millions of other Americans are getting behind

You are well aware the liberals’ current position of power is in severe jeopardy, and likely already lost. Behind closed doors it’s “damage control”. Between now and 2010, the methods to salvage any power for Obama and other liberals out there will be to demonize and marginalize the opposition at every turn. It’s textbook–and transparent–”divide and conquer”.

Your problem is the electorate is quickly getting wiser; which, of course, runs counter to what makes liberal candidates successful. (Did you really catch this last line?) Esto perpetua.

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:14 pm

Maybe if you would post a messeage less than 10000 words I would read it.

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
1:14 pm

I know Rev Wright did a PBS interview with the Presidebt of Morehouse….when did he speak there?

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 1st, 2010
1:15 pm

you know what I love? I love the word racist. when I say “Glenn Beck” is a racist, I am not rendering a judgment on racism. I am merely noting Beck’s faith is most certainly racist. Is Rev. Wright a racist? maybe, maybe not, but it wouldn’t change my opinion of him. let’s change the discussion from race to creed. many Christians (and certainly Muslims) believe their faith or the tenets of their respective faiths makes them “superior” – just as a racist does not like or dislike other races; he/she merely feels his/her is superior. I knew an elderly woman who was an impenitent racist. she didn’t “discriminate” against her black neighbors or friends (and she had many). she simply believe as a white woman, she was genetically superior. when will people realize these distinctions are man made and exist for the sole purpose of sending others off to battle (political, military; it doesn’t matter). the most amazing aspect of this thread is, Beck and Wright are essentially the same (pissed off about the state of affairs, and frustrated with the other side). Beck earns a bit more, but at their core they are the same person.

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:16 pm

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:11 pm
HDB….where do you get your facts? Let me guess you are a college student?”

Nope….but know how to research!! Add my life’s experiences…and VOILA!!

Some see things as they are and ask “WHY?”; some see things as they SHOULD BE…and ask “Why NOT?”

granny godzilla

September 1st, 2010
1:17 pm

HDB

Bobby!!!!

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:18 pm

HDB…How about looking forward and enlightening your future instead of living in the past?

Some People are stupid

September 1st, 2010
1:22 pm

White Man-

HDB…How about looking forward and enlightening your future instead of living in the past?

Isn’t that…progressive…I thought conservatives well all about the past….isn’t that want the conservatives want the country to return to…

White Woman

September 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

@HDB

I am a white woman and even if your little fact about affirmative action benefitting mostly white women is true…that doesn’t make it right. Its is a racist/sexist practice and should be eliminated.

Also, tell me this…did George Bush fire you from your job? (Since you always say you are/were unemployed during only republican administrations)

HDB

September 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

White Man

September 1st, 2010
1:18 pm
HDB…How about looking forward and enlightening your future instead of living in the past?

Those that forget their history are DOOMED to repeat it!! Some of the solutions that we need to encompass in this nation can be seen from what we accomplished in the PAST!! If you’re afraid to punish your child, your child won’t understand the discipline it takes to become successful; if you don’t be the example to your kids, your kids won’t have the motivation to be successful! Much of my successes were built upon what those who preceeded me built upon……

Is is better to use what one KNOWS works…or guess?? I’ve used what the PAST has generated to enlighten my future…and my FAMILY’S!!