The GOP’s new McCarthyism against Muslims

What has happened to the leadership of the Republican Party? Are there no longer any statesmen/women in the GOP? Does the party have any leading figures who believe in the Bill of Rights?
The GOP’s leadership has been taken over by a group of shrill demagogues who cozy up to birthers, talk of rescinding the 14th amendment and want to deny peaceful American Muslims the right to practice their religion. In terms of decency and principle, this season may mark the lowest ebb for the Republican Party since the McCarthy era of the 1950s.
There is no divisive issue the party won’t exploit, no wedge it won’t use as it seeks votes and tries to separate the unum into pluribus. If you listen to Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), head of the Republican Senate Campaign Committee, gleefully talk about exploiting the emotions surrounding the so-called 9/11 mosque in New York, you can see how low the party’s leadership has sunk.
There is no good reason for a mosque in NYC to concern the vast majority of Americans — especially nine years after the Sept. 11 atrocities. But Cornyn can’t wait to continue the shameful harangues against Islam.
Newt Gingrich — who won’t be out-demagogued by Sarah Palin or anyone else — has gone so far as to compare the Cordoba Initiative to Nazis.
Rick Scott, trying to win the GOP primary for governor of Florida, has an ad attacking President Obama for supporting the Cordoba Initiative’s right to build a mosque two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center. What in the world does that issue have to do with being Florida’s governor?
A few Republicans have called on the leaders of the party to stop the shameful attacks on the Cordoba Initiative. Mark McKinnon, former adviser to George W. Bush, praised Obama and criticized the leaders of his party, pointing out that they are “reinforcing al-Qaida.” But McKinnon is little known and not among the party’s elected leaders:


From the standpoint of political strategy, the most interesting thing about the GOP’s anti-Muslim bigotry is this: It betrays a lack of answers to the nation’s pressing problems. For more that a year, Republicans in the House and the Senate have been predicting big gains in the mid-term elections, as they pointed to Democratic votes they claimed most citizens rejected: stimulus, health care, Wall Street reform.
If those votes are so unpopular and pave the way for GOP success in the mid-terms, why do they feel the need to whip up anti-Muslim hostility?

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stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
7:33 am

If those votes are so unpopular and pave the way for GOP success in the mid-terms, why do they feel the need to whip up anti-Muslim hostility?

Great questions. This is the single most irresponsible example of wedge-issue politics I’ve witnessed from the right in America that I can recall. I think the answer lies somewhere in the nature of modern right-wing ideology; they never know when to stop piling on, and the utter lack of self-moderation ultimately defeats them, time and time again.

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
7:40 am

The Muslims have the right to build it anywhere they like, but why stir up a hornet’s nest to prove a point? As for the GOP pushing this agenda, just like the Democrats or any other politician, they will do what is necessary to get elected and please the masses.

oh cynthia!!!

August 17th, 2010
7:43 am

Why have you yet to comment on the DOJ finding Anthony Gonzalez and Bush innocent of ALL wrong doing? They have also now clear Tom Delay. Why are you silence? Why will you not comment on your gutless Democrat brethren simply accusing these fine Americans of crimes since they know, as well you do, they cannot compete with them in the arena ideas? Thoughts???

tyler

August 17th, 2010
7:45 am

CT proves yet again she has absolutely no idea what anything really means. CT, do you even know the definition of “McCarthyism” or what it actually involved?

Whacks Eloquent

August 17th, 2010
7:46 am

The Muslims should be allowed to build it there – but quit beating around the bush as to why it is being built there. It’s not sacred ground for them…or is it? If it is, the reason it is would be quite upsetting to non-Muslims. Yes it is true, they like to build monuments to conquests. Then again, I am not willing to concede my nation to Sharia law, so bring it on!

Meanwhile, the same freedom that allows them to build a mosque there, should also afford any BBQ vendor or strip joint to go in next door. But what would the Muslim response be if something like that went in next door? They certainly won’t be crying “freedom” then!

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
7:46 am

The GOP puts new batteries in their culture warriorbots about 6 months before every election.

If they can make Americans hate Muslims, maybe just maybe, they’ll forget that the GOP drove this country into the ground.

Dave from GT

August 17th, 2010
7:47 am

You are right, you would look better in a Burkha.!

Dave from GT

August 17th, 2010
7:49 am

The solution to this problem is a sinkhole – after it is built.!

watze

August 17th, 2010
7:50 am

CT –

Why are you not discussing Obama disgustingly using his own children as props in recent days?

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
7:51 am

should also afford any BBQ vendor or strip joint to go in next door. But what would the Muslim response be if something like that went in next door?

Do you really believe that such enterprises aren’t already up and running in this very neighborhood?

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
7:52 am

“oh cynthia,” blogger.com is ready when you are. It’s free. Go for it.

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
7:53 am

“The Muslims have the right to build it anywhere they like, but why stir up a hornet’s nest to prove a point?”

Exactly. Just b/c it’s legal doesn’t make it morally right.

Levity

August 17th, 2010
7:55 am

oh cynthia!! you are wasting time your time. CT will never address key points that logical people post in her blogs. She only responds to craziest posts so she can dismiss them easily. CT is more concerned about smearing & discrediting those she disagrees with rather than attempting to open an honest intellectual dialog.

Go back and read her archived blog posts, nothing but hate & venom comes from her…

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
7:55 am

watze (and the rest of the brigade rosse who will be flinging these distractions on the first page of a comments thread) — as I said. Blogger.com is ready when you are.

Dave from GT

August 17th, 2010
7:56 am

CT =- better in a Burkha!!!!

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
7:57 am

zep

August 17th, 2010
7:58 am

Cynthia, why have you not touched on people from your same anti-American/freedom party preaching death to Sarah Palin??? Where is your outrage??

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
7:58 am

When a religion has at its core dominating and taking over the world, the so-called peaceful Muslims are either fooling us or themselves. The Left seems to be more easily fooled on this. There is no doubt the Muslim faith provides an incumbator for radicals/terrorists. The faith should turn their energies to cleaning their ranks. Obama throwing his hat into the debate only reenforces the beliefs that he is at heart not an American, but a Muslim. How stupid.

Reggie

August 17th, 2010
7:59 am

CT- As usual don’t bother digging into the facts as it may disrupt your little blog. 2008 Form 990 for the Cordoba Initiative “0″ revenue and 2,767 of expenses. Incredible- I think I will call Kasim today and suggest I will build an interfaith community center at a $100 million cost and claim racism if I am forced to do any financial disclosure. Do you realize that you couldn’t get a construction loan on a 200k home with those financials? Gosh forbid we ask for a little disclosure without being “anti Muslim”. This country needs a strong leader- inshallah

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
7:59 am

doesn’t make it morally right.

Would it be morally right to build a YMCA a couple of blocks away from the Murrah Building, say, in 2005 or so, ten years after Christians conspired to murder women and children with a truck bomb there?

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
7:59 am

“talk of rescinding the 14th amendment”

Which is a great idea. We need the millions of babies that are aborted by legal citizens. Not the illegal ones.

zep, probably b/c she agrees with it.

ashley

August 17th, 2010
8:00 am

As usual the tolerant (Christians, whites, Conservatives, Americans, etc.) are being lectured to by the intolerant (Cynthia Tucker, terrorists, Liberals, blacks, gays, etc.) The amount of irony here is simply amazing.

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
8:02 am

SFD, stop w/ the bullshyt YMCA analogy. We all know if this mosque is built, there will be riots all over NY. It probably won’t end peacefully. Again, why stir up a hornets nest?

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
8:02 am

The most humorous part is these liberal, all caring Yankees are having a $#!*fit over this mosque…LMAO. What happened to the tolerant Yankee.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
8:03 am

We should be proud to build the Cordoba Center.

Proud of how strongly we support religious freedom.

Proud of how much more tolerant we are than our enemies.

Proud of the melting pot that is America.

Proud of our Muslim citizens and our Muslim Service men and women.

Proud to be the land of the free and the home of the brave.

I am.

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
8:03 am

We need the millions of babies that are aborted by legal citizens.

hey, since you Went there, that reminds me of a question you’ve ducked before, Peadawg.

Being that you’re such a stalwart “pro-lifer”, care to share with the class just how many minority or special-needs children you’ve adopted, yourself?

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
8:04 am

“talk of rescinding the 14th amendment”

Lets hope it becomes more than talk. Illegal is illegal is illegal.

TaxPayer

August 17th, 2010
8:04 am

If the GOP cannot stir up the emotions of their believers, then they shrivel up and wait patiently for someone to water, er, um, I mean, trickle down on, again. Then, their fear and hate springs forth in full bloom for all to see.

I always try to pull up stinkweed and other worthless things by the root. Otherwise, it just keeps coming back.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
8:04 am

BOOOO YANKEE!!! BOOOOO!!!

Whacks Eloquent

August 17th, 2010
8:05 am

Don’t assume me to be ignorant – I know darn well that this is NYC, and everything and anything conceivable is there!

They still have every right to build it there, and I wouldn’t dare say otherwise. What I still fail to understand, is if American Muslims truly want peace, truly want to show that they love this country, why not more sensitivity on their part? If it’s just a piece of land, then it really does not matter, then move it to a less controversial place. If it’s more than just a piece of land, we deserve to know why. Just sayin…

Bob

August 17th, 2010
8:06 am

The First Amendment protects freedom of religion,” Manley wrote in an e-mail. “Senator Reid respects that, but thinks that the mosque should be built someplace else.”
Is Harry reid a republican now or is he just speweing hate from the left side of the isle? And Cynthia thinks Charles Rangle only used the wrong stationary.

TaxPayer

August 17th, 2010
8:07 am

SFD, stop w/ the bullshyt YMCA analogy. We all know if this mosque is built, there will be riots all over NY. It probably won’t end peacefully. Again, why stir up a hornets nest?

Being the native riotous New Yanker that Peadawg is…

Whacks Eloquent

August 17th, 2010
8:07 am

db,

“Would it be morally right to build a YMCA a couple of blocks away from the Murrah Building”

I did not realize that McVeigh was one of the Village People…which one was he?

Granny is a bigot

August 17th, 2010
8:08 am

geesh,

before you know it these bigots will be going after Snake Handlers

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
8:10 am

SFD; No YMCA was ever considered to be built even close to the Murry Blg., so that is a moot point. The community building scheduled to be built is a fact and I see big problems, legal yes, smart…don’t think so.

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
8:11 am

“care to share with the class just how many minority or special-needs children you’ve adopted, yourself?”

Considering I’m 25 and my wife’s 22 and in school…absolutely none. We have 2 dogs…that’s plenty.

Now, SFD, answer my question. What’s going to be accomplished in stirring up a hornets nest?

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
8:12 am

Lets see what the tolerant Yankee will do. The Yankee enjoys dictating to the remainder of the Country, instructing them in their evil intolerant ways yet now the Yankee is wetting himself of this mosque.

Kinda reminds one of the civil rights era when the Yankee was instructing the southern US on how to behave then when de-segregation hit the Yankee States there had to be police escorts and the tolerant, loving, caring Yankee was tossing bananas at school buses loaded with little black kids. Nice YANKEE!!

HA HA HA YANKEE!!!

Granny is a bigot

August 17th, 2010
8:12 am

Hey granny,

What about religious freedom to handle snakes? you say thats “Bizarre” and a crime. Well so is sodomy between two men, which you fully support as an act of privacy. Can’t help but wonder if you can smell what your standing knee deep in…

Reggie

August 17th, 2010
8:13 am

Proud of money laundering!!!

andygrd

August 17th, 2010
8:13 am

“There is no good reason for a mosque in NYC to concern the vast majority of Americans — especially nine years after the Sept. 11 atrocities.”

Then let’s hang the Confederate Flag outside the offices of the AJC, or NAACP, or a black Church and see what happens. How long has it been since the Civil Rights Act, etc…… And if you say it is different, it is to a point……

You followers of “OBAMUNISM”, really need to get a life… You far left liberals are ruining the Democratic Party. Poll numbers are down across the board, you are targeting the uneducated with your fear tactics. You lefties are really more like the TALIBAN. It is either your way or you throw stones…. You lefties are so pitiful….. However, you are entertaining.

Lefties, please sit back, sip your wine, and ponder your superiority over everyone else. Hehehehehehe

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
8:14 am

No YMCA was ever considered to be built even close to the Murry Blg., so that is a moot point.

Would anyone have given a good crap if it had been? That is the point, and it’s a perfectly legitimate one, because it addresses precisely the same issue the TeaTards are trying to make about Manhattan.

And this notion that anything south of, I dunno, Canal Street is somehow now “hallowed ground” is simultaneously disgusting and hilarious if you’ve ever so much as set foot in NYC. Which I sorta doubt most of the righties posting here actually have.

(I lived in that metro area several decades, still love NYC, and can only fathom how metro Atlantans would feel about New Yorkers telling them what kind of community centers they can build and where.)

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
8:14 am

Lets build the mosque ON ground zero. How ya like that YANKEE? How tolerant will you be, YANKEE? Show the rest of the Country, lead by example…YANKEE!!!

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
8:14 am

CIS; What are you on this AM? If it can get me going like you, I might want some!

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
8:15 am

“Then let’s hang the Confederate Flag outside the offices of the AJC, or NAACP, or a black Church and see what happens. How long has it been since the Civil Rights Act, etc”

HaHa!!! Let’s do it!

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
8:16 am

Considering I’m 25 and my wife’s 22 and in school…absolutely none. We have 2 dogs…that’s plenty.

No plans to adopt prior to breeding your own?

Now, SFD, answer my question. What’s going to be accomplished in stirring up a hornets nest?

don’t ask me–ask your party’s national leaders Newt and Sarah. They did the stirring.

Tall

August 17th, 2010
8:17 am

Andygrd: Good points. If the Ku Klux Klan wanted to open an office near the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, I suppose the progressives who are above it all would be tolerant of that.

Keep up the good fight!

August 17th, 2010
8:18 am

SFD…Pea is of the same mentality that would say “Oh we gave them their freedom, but they should not be marrying our women.” Of course they conveniently also ignore all the protests about mosques in Wisconsin, Tenn and other places…just how far do they have to be away? Funny, its “stirring up a hornet’s nest” if its not your ox being gored but its “taking our country back and defending the US Constitution” if it is your ox.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
8:18 am

T-T. On nothing…just wanna see how tolerant and accepting the YANKEE will be. The omniscient YANKEE is constantly belittling the remainder of the Country and chastising because of differences.

Well now Mr YANKEE/R needs to show some tolerance, some patience, some love…but it wont happen because the YANKEE is full of BS and blusters. Always has been and always will be.

HA HA HA YANKEE!!

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
8:19 am

“don’t ask me–ask your party’s national leaders Newt and Sarah. They did the stirring.”

Nice dodge. And no, the people who are building the mosque by Ground Zero are stirring the pot. So I ask YOU again…what’s going to be accomplished by them stirring the pot?

“No plans to adopt prior to breeding your own?”

Probably not. But I have thought about adopting a 10-12 year old to cut my grass though.

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
8:20 am

Keep up the good fight!, morning leg-humper! Nice of you to join the conversation!

Keep up the good fight!

August 17th, 2010
8:20 am

Tall… absolutely. In fact, I would defend the right of the KKK to build that office. The Constitution is not dependant on who makes the statement, it protects the right of all to speak, including those who speach is unpopular. Does not mean we agree with the speech.

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
8:20 am

SFD; Let me ask you a question: were you this adamant about defending a symbol when South Carolina was forced to remove the Confederate flag from the state capital building? If not, why?

Keep up the good fight!

August 17th, 2010
8:22 am

Pea…dont flatter yourself… you’re legs are not worth a hump.

Whiner's man crush

August 17th, 2010
8:23 am

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
7:58 am
When a religion has at its core dominating and taking over the world…

I think that could be said for Christianity, too…but that’s just me.

I truly hope the Republicans keep up this hate baiting. People will wake up sooner or later and, like the McCarthy era. the Republicans WILL suffer…

Normal

August 17th, 2010
8:24 am

Is this where we are hanging out now?

Granny is a bigot

August 17th, 2010
8:25 am

Granny is a hypocrite!

You want religious freedom…for certain people.

MiltonMan

August 17th, 2010
8:25 am

Ms. Tucker/Granny, no mention about the #1 DemoRat in the US Senate, the dishonorable, Reid has came out & does not support the building? Keep playing that anti-GOP message.

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
8:26 am

the people who are building the mosque by Ground Zero are stirring the pot.

Huh? Since when did two blocks away from the WTC become “hallowed ground”? (do you have even the slightest notion of how much STUFF is crammed in between those two blocks and the WTC site? Do you realize that this community center will not be even remotely visible from anywhere in Freedom Tower?) Who is to say that if these developers had a property four blocks away, you TeaTards wouldn’t be making the same objections?

Just how much of Manhattan has to be ethnically cleansed of Muslims? Everything south of Canal? 42nd?

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
8:27 am

Let’s look closer at just who stirred up this hornets nest….

A group of progressive Muslim-Americans plans to build an Islamic community center two and a half blocks from ground zero in lower Manhattan. They have had a mosque in the same neighborhood for many years. There’s another mosque two blocks away from the site. City officials support the project. Muslims have been praying at the Pentagon, the other building hit on Sept. 11, for many years.

In short, there is no good reason that the Cordoba House project should have been a major national news story, let alone controversy. And yet it has become just that, dominating the political conversation for weeks and prompting such a backlash that, according to a new poll, nearly 7 in 10 Americans now say they oppose the project. How did the Cordoba House become so toxic, so fast?

In a story last week, the New York Times, which framed the project in a largely positive, noncontroversial light last December, argued that it was cursed from the start by “public relations missteps.” But this isn’t accurate. To a remarkable extent, a Salon review of the origins of the story found, the controversy was kicked up and driven by Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post.

Here’s a timeline of how it all happened:

Dec. 8, 2009: The Times publishes a lengthy front-page look at the Cordoba project. “We want to push back against the extremists,” Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the lead organizer, is quoted as saying. Two Jewish leaders and two city officials, including the mayor’s office, say they support the idea, as does the mother of a man killed on 9/11. An FBI spokesman says the imam has worked with the bureau. Besides a few third-tier right-wing blogs, including Pamela Geller’s Atlas Shrugs site, no one much notices the Times story.
Dec. 21, 2009: Conservative media personality Laura Ingraham interviews Abdul Rauf’s wife, Daisy Khan, while guest-hosting “The O’Reilly Factor” on Fox. In hindsight, the segment is remarkable for its cordiality. “I can’t find many people who really have a problem with it,” Ingraham says of the Cordoba project, adding at the end of the interview, “I like what you’re trying to do.”
(This segment also includes onscreen the first use that we’ve seen of the misnomer “ground zero mosque.”) After the segment — and despite the front-page Times story — there were no news articles on the mosque for five and a half months, according to a search of the Nexis newspaper archive.
May 6, 2010: After a unanimous vote by a New York City community board committee to approve the project, the AP runs a story. It quotes relatives of 9/11 victims (called by the reporter), who offer differing opinions. The New York Post, meanwhile, runs a story under the inaccurate headline, “Panel Approves ‘WTC’ Mosque.” Geller is less subtle, titling her post that day, “Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction.” She writes on her Atlas Shrugs blog, “This is Islamic domination and expansionism. The location is no accident. Just as Al-Aqsa was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem.” (To get an idea of where Geller is coming from, she once suggested that Malcolm X was Obama’s real father. Seriously.)
May 7, 2010: Geller’s group, Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), launches “Campaign Offensive: Stop the 911 Mosque!” (SIOA ’s associate director is Robert Spencer, who makes his living writing and speaking about the evils of Islam.) Geller posts the names and contact information for the mayor and members of the community board, encouraging people to write. The board chair later reports getting “hundreds and hundreds” of calls and e-mails from around the world.
May 8, 2010: Geller announces SIOA’s first protest against what she calls the “911 monster mosque” for May 29. She and Spencer and several other members of the professional anti-Islam industry will attend. (She also says that the protest will mark the dark day of “May 29, 1453, [when] the Ottoman forces led by the Sultan Mehmet II broke through the Byzantine defenses against the Muslim siege of Constantinople.” The outrage-peddling New York Post columnist Andrea Peyser argues in a note at the end of her column a couple of days later that “there are better places to put a mosque.”
May 13, 2010: Peyser follows up with an entire column devoted to “Mosque Madness at Ground Zero.” This is a significant moment in the development of the “ground zero mosque” narrative: It’s the first newspaper article that frames the project as inherently wrong and suspect, in the way that Geller has been framing it for months. Peyser in fact quotes Geller at length and promotes the anti-mosque protest of Stop Islamization of America, which Peyser describes as a “human-rights group.” Peyser also reports — falsely — that Cordoba House’s opening date will be Sept. 11, 2011.

Lots of opinion makers on the right read the Post, so it’s not surprising that, starting that very day, the mosque story spread through the conservative — and then mainstream — media like fire through dry grass. Geller appeared on Sean Hannity’s radio show. The Washington Examiner ran an outraged column about honoring the 9/11 dead. So did Investor’s Business Daily. Smelling blood, the Post assigned news reporters to cover the ins and outs of the Cordoba House development daily. Fox News, the Post’s television sibling, went all out.

Within a month, Rudy Giuliani had called the mosque a “desecration.” Within another month, Sarah Palin had tweeted her famous “peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate” tweet. Peter King and Newt Gingrich and Tim Pawlenty followed suit — with political reporters and television news programs dutifully covering “both sides” of the controversy.

Geller had succeeded beyond her wildest dreams.

Aquagirl

August 17th, 2010
8:27 am

Well, I guess I’m a lib for a day since I also support the right of the KKK to build an office anywhere as long as it’s up to legal code. I also support their right to cover their chinless mono-tooth faces with silly hoods as they appear on “Jerry Springer.”

The Confederate flag as a part of the official State flag is another matter. The State should maintain neutrality and the appearance of neutrality as best it can.

Keep up the good fight!

August 17th, 2010
8:27 am

T-Town, spurious argument about the Confederate flag. 1st is is a governmental symbol and it is suppose to represent all people. 2d most of the “confederate” flags were adopted during the Civil Rights movement as a clear protest and NOT as a historic reference to a war which included the end of slavery. But then I guess because the right is not sensitive to all these issues, they are clearly against the Confederate flag as a state flag…right? Again, maybe its another ox?

john brown

August 17th, 2010
8:27 am

How’s that Kool-Aide tasting? The Republicans have said over and over again that the right to build the church is a given, but question the location and reason. There are more than one hundred mosques in NYC.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
8:27 am

I personally would like to see a law that would require for every church built, a liquor store must be built across the street from it.
Saturday night stock up runs could become a new church gathering…

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
8:28 am

Come see the YANKKE and the Democrat/REID etc bare their discrimnatory soul for all to see.

LMAO!!

andygrd

August 17th, 2010
8:29 am

“BAGHDAD — A homicide bomber blew himself up Tuesday among hundreds of army recruits who had gathered near a military headquarters in an attack officials said killed 60 and wounded 125, one of the bloodiest bombings in months in the Iraqi capital.”

Muslims killing their own people, wow… HAMMAS vowing to kill all the Jews, Iran vowing to kill all the Jews. And will Muslims in America denounce the attacks… show me where they have…

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid broke with President Obama Monday over the proposed mosque near Ground Zero, saying the controversial Islamic center should be built elsewhere. Not only republicans I see……. So can we “The Democrats new McCarthyism against Muslims” since Reid and others are breaking ranks,,, or are they just “misguided”….heheheheheheh

Hey Democrats’—– Support the Republicans in November… “KEEP TALKING”….. HEHEHEHEHEHEH

Normal

August 17th, 2010
8:31 am

MiltonMan

August 17th, 2010
8:25 am
Ms. Tucker/Granny, no mention about the #1 DemoRat

This was as far as I got on your post. If you had anything useful to say, you blew it with your…how shall I say…obvious inability to spell Democrat… Sorry.

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
8:32 am

no idea why my reply to T-Town’s post @ 8.20 is in moderation, but to summarize:

I wasn’t in GA when our neighboring state had this apparent flap over the Rebel flag. Looking it up, it seems the SC Senate voted to take it down, so the use of the term “force” seems inaccurate.

Gotta go produce. Sexy/Lemonade, have fun spending yet another entire “work” day playing on the Interwebs.

Attorney General ERIC HOLDER

August 17th, 2010
8:32 am

“There is no such thing as ‘radical islam’.”

Gina Roberts

August 17th, 2010
8:33 am

For an article that claims to denounce demagoguery, there certainly seems to be a lot of it here – and I can’t see that the most salacious allegations are supported by fact.

GOP leaders have talked of rescinding the 14th Amendment? Shouldn’t Ms. Tucker at least provide a quote for this?

Granny is a bigot

August 17th, 2010
8:34 am

Granny supports religious freedom:

Jeremiah Wright: “I say God Damn America!”

andygrd

August 17th, 2010
8:35 am

Keep,,, you are incorrect. If you look up the history of the Confederate Flags, you will see there are many variations, but they did not start during the Civil Rights movement…. That is inaccurate. The first official flag of the Confederacy, called the “Stars and Bars,” was flown from March 5, 1861, to May 26, 1863.
The first national flag of the Confederacy was designed by Prussian artist Nicola Marschall in Marion, Alabama.[1] The Stars and Bars flag was adopted March 4, 1861 in Montgomery, Alabama and raised over the dome of that first Confederate Capitol. Marschall also designed the Confederate uniform.[2]

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
8:35 am

Mr. Keep; It was still just a symbol, one that many hate, but just a symbol. If we are to discuss political symbols within the public we can start with the 10 Commandments that decorate many courtrooms/grounds around the country. And lets not forget our money: “In God We Trust.” Do we now get rid of our money because…It is insulting to the Atheist.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
8:36 am

This is an excellent lesson for the rest of the US to observe. Observe the tolerant YANKEE up in arms over a building. Observe the tolerant YANKEE screaming, crying, whining. Observe the YANKEEs attitude of “do as I say not as I do”. This is GREAT!!

AHHHAHAHAAAAAA!!! Hows it taste now YANKEE!!

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
8:38 am

Is this where we are hanging out now?

psst. Normal, there’s a nice quiet chat going on back at Jay’s in the still-usable Kagan thread, just under “gone fishing”.

/drive-by.

Call it like it is

August 17th, 2010
8:40 am

Wow, Cynthia don’t even know where to begin on this. Why would Americans care if a mosque is built near ground zero? I find it difficult to believe you would even ask such a question, then I realize that you have a very narrow perception of history. You pick and choose what you won’t to back up your own ideology. What is so funny too me is how you are making this a right thing, when over 70% of Americans believe it to be a bad idea. Are we to understand that only Republicans were asked about the mosque?

No one says they can’t build a center of worship, only that they chose a different location. If these muslims are true Americans as you claim, you would think they would want to heal old wounds, instead of throwing salt into them.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
8:41 am

Cynthia, I corrected your headline for you. No thanks needed.

“The Socialist Democrat’s new McCarthyism against Conservatives”

Keep up the good fight!

August 17th, 2010
8:41 am

T-Town…..10 commandments have been pulled down from many courthouses (including an infamouse lawsuit in Alabama) and “In God we trust” insults more than atheists..there are other religions. So you don’t believe in the Constitution and separation of church and state? Are you being sensitive to other religions the way you are demanding Muslims be sensitive to yours?

Jimmy62

August 17th, 2010
8:42 am

Funny thing- McCarthy, though few want to admit it, or bothered to read the truth in the decades since, turned out to be right a lot when it came to finding Communist sympathizers. They just all lied and stuck together and slimed him, and 50 years later Cynthia is continuing that slime. But McCarthy, for better or worse, was right more often than wrong.

WAR

August 17th, 2010
8:44 am

i find it interesting that we use the constitution as the mainstay of our country until it disagrees with our politics. then, we want to change it such as the case with the 14th amendment. the muslims are not doing anything illegal. if it is an emotional issue or moral issue or personal issue, i don’t think it belongs 2 blocks away. but this is a legal issue and we can’t change the rule of law because it dissatisfies us.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
8:44 am

CT, interesting take (McCarthyism). some of my more (paleo) conservative friends view radical Islam as the view(ed) Soviet Communism; a flawed and philosophically bankrupt ideology. think about it, the Cold War itself (war on terrorism) was not about securing America’s borders, or defending the Constitution; it was an opportunity for politicians and the interests they serve to consolidate and project power (domestically and internationally). neo-con dreamers can talk about Reagan “winning” the Cold War, but in reality, the Soviet Union was always rotting from within, and eventually collapsed due to its fundamental weaknesses. like it or not, we have to allow radical Islam to do the same. the tactics may be a bit different, but we cannot “win” a “war” against ideology. ALSO, despite all the Cold War rhetoric and black lists, and McCarthy’s witch hunts, there has always been, and there remains an American Communinst Party. as I said, radical Islam is a different beast (primarily because they have oil money behind them, and ironically, we’re funding their war efforts with our gluttonous lifestyles), but American have to have the courage of conviction and “faith” (sorry, can’t think of another word) in the power of freedom and information/knowledge. all this talk about “salt in wounds” and “middle fingers” is just political fundraising and empty, faux patriotism. true patriots would “defend the Constitution” at all cost, as opposed to throwing it overboard in response to fear.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
8:45 am

So fi I understand you, Cynthia, you would be okay if the “Sons of the Confederacy” (or worse yet, the KKK) erected a place to congregate and socialize right next to a graveyard filled with slaves killed during the time of the Civil War? Same thing, right?

Normal

August 17th, 2010
8:45 am

andygrd

August 17th, 2010
8:35 am

The Conferate Battle Flag (Stars and Bars) was put on the State flags in 1956 or so tho protest the drive to give the Black their due rights.
It was a blatent slap at the Federal Government and nothing more (except for pandering to their masses, perhaps).

It still amazes me that in this country of “the land of the free and the home of the brave”, that we couldn’t practise what we preached then and we can’t seem to do it now.

You have to have a tough skin to be an American, but we have rights I would fight and die to keep…even if it means a Muslim community center two blocks from “groud zero”.

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
8:46 am

“TeaTards”

And you’re preachin’ to me about being more tolerant. LMAO! I haven’t called anyone names this morning…yet you’ve done it twice.

WAR

August 17th, 2010
8:47 am

whoever said something about the president’s children as “props” you are lucky to be talking about him and not me. it’s pretty low to attack a man’s child to score some type of points. but i bet you got to church every sunday and read your good ole bible about “suffer the little children.” just saying…

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
8:48 am

“It was a blatent slap at the Federal Government and nothing more (except for pandering to their masses, perhaps).”

Just like this Mosque being built by Ground Zero is a slap in the face to Americans.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
8:48 am

“There is no divisive issue the [Republican] party won’t exploit, no wedge it won’t use as it seeks votes and tries to separate the unum into pluribus.” — Cynthia Tucker

That may be the most unintentionally hilarious CT quote of the week.

Where was her self-righteous outrage when the president was eagerly exploiting an Arizona immigration law that he and his attorney general hadn’t even read yet? Yet that didn’t stop him from trying to convince Hispanics that they could no longer take their kids to the ice cream store for fear of being hassled by the police on the basis of their skin color … even though the law specifically prohibited racial profiling.

Come on, CT — as sports fans commonly say to referees, “Call it both ways!”

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
8:49 am

“it’s pretty low to attack a man’s child to score some type of points.”

Just like the Democrats attacked Palin’s kids? Were you against that too?

Normal

August 17th, 2010
8:50 am

It seems that a blogger or two here changes names more times than he changes underwear…

John

August 17th, 2010
8:51 am

Whacks Eloquent…do some research, there already is a strip club and bars near that area.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
8:51 am

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
8:48 am

Not according to the latest Fox News Poll…

Normal

August 17th, 2010
8:51 am

That’s right. thanks for calling that to our attention Normal/Bosch/Granny Godzilla/USinUK.

Reggie

August 17th, 2010
8:51 am

Love the tough talking on the blogs- I always assume the tougher the blog talk the smaller the…..

Reggie

August 17th, 2010
8:52 am

You are correct Mr. Normal-

WAR

August 17th, 2010
8:53 am

ct is a race baiter
confederate soldiers and yankees are both at gettysburg. and your juxtaposition is not completely accurate. islam is a religion that has been in existence for thousands of years (older than christianity); the klan is an organization from the remnants of the civil war. extremists have taken parts of the quran and islam for their own personal gain i will admit.

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

August 17th, 2010
8:53 am

To start with, Islam is NOT a religion, it IS a political organization bent on world domination. This is just another slap in the face of America, and we do not have leadership in NY or the White House to stand up to the bullies on the playground. BHO is a lot of things, a leader is not one of them. For the first time in my adult life I am ashamed of my country. Remember in November

Let me be clear...or, maybe not

August 17th, 2010
8:53 am

Call it like it is 8:40 am, good post

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
8:53 am

Speaking of outrage, where is the left’s outrage at the NH politician who wished Palin had been in the plane that crashed in Alaska? Oh yeah, they were probably celebrating at Charlie Rangel’s party.

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
8:54 am

Mr. Keep; If you read my prior posts in this blog, you will see that I believe the Muslims have the right to build it anywhere they like….but still, why stir up a hornets nest. Several years ago, the K K K scheduled a march through the streets of a mixed neighborhood in the father’s home town. Legal yes, smart….no. In fact the march was canceled, but the neighbor still rioted because they thought it was an insult to them personally. I guess the neighborhood was not tolerant for those who are different.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
8:55 am

Reggie @ 8:51AM. Pretty tough post on your part. Does that mean you have a smaller…..

WAR

August 17th, 2010
8:55 am

peadawg
yep! i don’t like palin very much but i don’t agree with attacking her children. they have nothing to do with her political views or motives. i defend them as much as i would the prez kids as much as i would yours. kids are off limits.

Kamchak

August 17th, 2010
8:56 am

But McCarthy, for better or worse, was right more often than wrong.

There’s your sign.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
8:57 am

whatever you’re calling yourself today, well actually at this minute
@ 8:53

You mean the one (Tim Horrigan) who resigned, because he felt our outrage?

WAR

August 17th, 2010
8:59 am

starring kf
islam IS a religion? it is older than christianity–or at least what we call christianity. if you read the quran, it has many of the same principles as the bible and other religiously based books. it has been taken over by extremists who want to destroy America, themselves, the planet pluto! timothy mcveigh was “christian” and used that as a reason to attack oklahoma city. extremists exist extremely.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
8:59 am

granny godzilla – “our” outrage? You mean you posted your outrage at the comment? Or did you wait until the Obama Administration issued you your talking points?

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
8:59 am

Imam Obama was using lil Sasha as a prop. Sure they went for a swim, father/daughter and that would have been the end. But no…Ayetollah Obama allows the pix to be posted in papers…kinda like “Hey America come look at me, love me, worship me, bow down to me…Im your Imam, your King, your Ayetollah”.

Thats what Imam Obama is about…styling and profiling…All Flash and not substance.

John

August 17th, 2010
9:00 am

How far down will the GOP go. We’ve seen their rhetoric over the Healthcare bill turn into acts of violence at Democrats’ headquarters. We’ve seen Sarah Palin put out a map targeting these offices with crosshairs. Sharron Angle’s talk about “2nd amendment remedies” and how it’s good to have revolutions. And now they’re targeting Muslim Americans. Will it take people being hurt or killed before they stop pushing hatred and fear for votes?

And they call themselves “leaders”. Instead of tearing this nation apart, they need to become leaders and help in uniting the country.

Shawny

August 17th, 2010
9:00 am

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Harry Reid. Senate Majority Leader Reid.
Same stance. But the GOP are all bad. Not the democrats.

Hypocrites.

John

August 17th, 2010
9:01 am

Enter your comments here

ctucker

August 17th, 2010
9:01 am

T-Town, The outrage is completely manufactured, stirred up by rightwing activists. Some 9/11 families object, but some support the Cordoba Initiative.

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:02 am

Ah, the mantra of the right: “Freedom of (Our) religion.”

The GOP sure loves that politics of fear thing.

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
9:02 am

To Whiner’s man crush

While the history of Christianity has some unfavorable periods, there is no modern day shared traits between Christianity and Islam. The issue with Muslims is their irrational core remains.

I believe in religious freedom, but would pull the welcome mat to Muslims. Allowing the Mosque under any pretense is the height of naïveté.

Reggie

August 17th, 2010
9:02 am

Fully confident in myself but if you re-read not a tough post. Don’t favor the “football” type posts on a news blog- kind of silly. This is a serious issue that is being politicized versus thought out- bet anyone a diet coke that a substantial amount of the funding will be laundered.

WAR

August 17th, 2010
9:02 am

cynthia is sexy
i thought he was taking pictures to demonstrate that the gulf was safe so that Americans can come back to the gulf states. wow. with your insight, you’re saying that not only is not the president, but an islamic radical extremist president who allows his daughter to wear a bathing suit. you don’t know much about islam do you?

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:02 am

Shawny

Long time dude…How are you and the family?

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
9:03 am

Peadawg, again, how is a group of Americans excercising their first amendment rights “a slap in the face”? you folks need to man up. your collective self-esteem is pathetic. the psychological profile of the right is disturbing. you project your fears and emotional baggage to ALL Americans. you “assign motive to behavior” (claimin the mosque is a “victory monument” or an attempt by Muslims to “rub salt in the wound”). where is “the wound”? we were attacked on 9/11 and we retaliated (Afghanistan and Iraq), remember? now some Americans are hiding under the bed with chattering teeth because Newt Gingerich and Saral Palin want to be President? here’s a rhetorical question, which is rooted in the neo-Carlinist notion that all religion dressed up political ideology and all politics is relgious dogma. when I used to do philosophical battle with the born again Christians who told me I was going to hell because I liked Led Zeppelin, I used to ask; if there is a god and a devil (good and evil, as it were), and you recognize your god as a supreme being; all powerful and all knowing, why even acknowledge to devil? why give the devil (Islam) the power that comes with fear? either you have “faith” in the righteousness and perfection of your god, or you don’t. you can’t have it both ways. “fear” is the same emotion used to entrap people into dependence on god. case closed.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:03 am

WAR

August 17th, 2010
8:59 am

Not much of a history buff are you? Islam is older than Christianity? Hmmm, Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead around 33 AD. Mohammed, Muhammed, or however you want to spell it, is the founder of Islam and was born in the 500s.

Thank you for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.

Reggie

August 17th, 2010
9:03 am

CT- not manufactured on the money trail- you and others are manufacturing a political attack to obscure the real issue.

Bob

August 17th, 2010
9:03 am

Why do the felchers make this out to be right vs left ? Repubs do not have anyone in higher office than Harry Reid and he says the mosque should not be built. Is Reid a bigot or just intolerant or does he see the writing on the wall.

joe

August 17th, 2010
9:04 am

libs like CT just don’t get it…we Americans are sick and tired of left wing loonies steam rolling over everything that is America. We do not have to adjust our ways for the sake of anyone…including illegal aliens and Muslims. If they want to live here, they have to come her legally and adjust their ways to fit in with our ways of living. If Muslims (and libs for that matter) cannot see that putting a mosque next to Ground Zero is offensive, then they are not thinking or acting like an American. Simple as that. If they don’t like how we do business here, we give them the freedom to move where ever they like…same with the left wing looney libs. Got news for all of you…there are a lot more of us Americans than you quazi socialist elitist libs, so the sooner you realize this will not change the better your lives will be. It’s like bashing your head against the wall…does you no good.

John

August 17th, 2010
9:04 am

Newt Gingrich is now fundraising off of his opposition to the Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan (the so-called Ground Zero Mosque), telling conservatives in an e-mail appeal to “Please SELECT HERE to STOP the Ground Zero mosque! Your decisive DONATION to Real Action will help us to RALLY and ACTIVATE all Americans, to TAKE REAL ACTION!”

The fundraising appeal, which is signed by Gingrich and which you can read below, was blasted out to the e-mail list of WorldNetDaily Thursday to raise money for Renewing American Leadership Action. Gingrich is honorary chairman of the group and his spokesman Rick Tyler is its director. Founded last year to help Gingrich reach out to evangelicals, it is “dedicated to defending and advancing American civilization by restoring our Judeo-Christian heritage.”

In his new fundraising appeal, Gingrich repeats his cry for the United States to follow Saudi Arabia’s lead when it comes to religious freedom:

Even though there are more than 100 mosques in the New York City area, there are no churches and synagogues in the entire country of Saudi Arabia.

The time to end this religious double standard is now.

The appeal continues:

Please give the most significant gift that you possibly can to help us to not only inform all Americans but to specifically MOTIVATE patriots to ACTION to halt the building of this mosque. As one who holds your freedoms dearly, I know I can count on you.

The time to take a stand is now.”

Guess next Newt will be calling for repeal of the 1st amendment.

Durkadurkastan

August 17th, 2010
9:05 am

Let them build a mosque and let someone bomb it

Tommy Maddox

August 17th, 2010
9:05 am

Maybe the Right has learned from the Left:

NEVER LET A GOOD “CRISIS” GO TO WASTE.

Besides, it’s people across the board that are riled up about this mosque business – not just the right.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:05 am

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:02 am

Ah, the mantra of the fringe left: “Freedom FROM religion.”

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:06 am

CT calls it “anti-Muslim” to oppose a mosque near Ground Zero, apparently arguing that you can’t judge all Muslims by the actions of a few.

Well, OK … but if Ms. Tucker feels so strongly about stereotyping large groups of people, how come she said this to Chris Matthews on “Hardball” about a year ago in regard to the anti-ObamaCare town hall protesters?

“CYNTHIA TUCKER: Oh, I’m just guessing. This is just off the cuff. I think 45 to 65% of the people who appear at these groups are people who will never be comfortable with the idea of a black president.”

Ah, I get it — it’s wrong for the rest of us to judge the intentions of Muslims who want to build a mosque near Ground Zero, but CT considers herself qualified to sit in front of her computer and judge the racial attitudes of thousands of protesters she’s never met.

Classic.

John

August 17th, 2010
9:06 am

“I believe in religious freedom, but would pull the welcome mat to Muslims. Allowing the Mosque under any pretense is the height of naïveté.”

Doesn’t make any sense…either you believe in religious freedom or you don’t. Read the 1st amendment…I don’t see a “but” in there.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:07 am

Durkadurkastan

August 17th, 2010
9:05 am

Hmm, not bad. Try this one. Start building it, declare it to be an Iranian nuclear reactor, and let the Israeli Air Force take care of it.

stranger in a strange land

August 17th, 2010
9:07 am

note to self – do not read log on to read CT blog till breakfast has been fully digested

See through a mirror dimly

August 17th, 2010
9:07 am

CT—

Much of the support for Cordoba is manufactured by democrats. This, after all is a midterm election year isn’t it.

WAR

August 17th, 2010
9:08 am

johhny reb
all religions (and i do mean all) have unfavorable history moments. christianity has an irrational core. for example, some people think it is okay to kill doctors who kill babies. both religions–and others as well–have extreme people. i agree the mosque is not the greatest idea in the world to have close to sacred ground, but if we hold true to the principles of our constitution and the legality of said writ, then why would we stop them?

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
9:08 am

“Peadawg, again, how is a group of Americans excercising their first amendment rights “a slap in the face”?”

Just like hanging a Confederate Flag at the NAACP would be a slap in the face to them.

burlington coat factory

August 17th, 2010
9:08 am

maybe we should’ve thought this through and sold it to someone else….

Shawny

August 17th, 2010
9:09 am

I’m doing good granny godzilla. Its been awhile. I can’t help but noticed that things have changed a lot on this blog. For example, now you are an anti-Chrisian bigot. Why so?

if the muslims

August 17th, 2010
9:09 am

were REALLY hoping to improve their image, they’d steer clear of this area. there seems to be some type of underlying motivation here, and it doesn’t seem altruistic or unifying

Granny Godzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:09 am

Please ignore anything I post since I am a complete moron.

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:10 am

How is this like hanging a confederate flag at the NAACP?

The mosque is NOT at ground zero, no matter how much the right screams it is. It is close, not at.

And it’s not even primarily a mosque, it’s more of a community center. Which of course, probably makes it extra terrifying for the paranoia crowd.

AndyW

August 17th, 2010
9:10 am

To steal from Tony Snow: Thank you Cynthia for presenting the official Hamas point of view.

WAR

August 17th, 2010
9:11 am

ct
some muslims believe that islam began with the creation of the world… thus older than christianity. i expect those parting gifts to come with a nice red bow.

uhoh

August 17th, 2010
9:11 am

Let em’ build it. Imagine someday a fire will start maybe on one of the top floors. A call will go out to NYFD/NYPD.

“What? Where?” “Sorry, we’re busy, don’t call back.” Click.

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
9:11 am

Or, instead of my 9:08 post, let’s go build a Confederate History museum next door to the NAACP headquarters.

Helen Thomas

August 17th, 2010
9:12 am

Dear CT
“The outrage is completely manufactured, stirred up by rightwing activists. Some 9/11 families object, but some support the Cordoba Initiative.”

Manufactured? I think the majority object. As usually, you are way off base.

Hamas

August 17th, 2010
9:12 am

Cynthia,

When are coming back to the fold?

Rickster

August 17th, 2010
9:12 am

Cynthia… would you be so tolerant if someone wanted to build a KKK museum near the Pettis Bridge – or near the Lorraine hotel in Memphis? What about a Nazi heritage center near a concentration camp or the Holocaust Memorial in Washington, DC?

They have every right to, but the perception would cause all kinds of problems.

No one on the “right” has argued that Muslims do not have the right to practice their religion. The complaint is that the location is just totally inappropriate. Pieces of one of the airplanes hit the building for goodness sake.

Even your precious, anointed St. Barack the Magnificient says he questions the “wisdom” of trying to build a mosque that close to one of the worst tragedies in American history.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:13 am

ignore the name-jacker at 9:09. I am the real Moron

AndyW

August 17th, 2010
9:13 am

@John K – a piece of the landing gear from one of the WTC planes hit the same building where this mosque will be built. How is that NOT ground zero.

Rightwing Troll

August 17th, 2010
9:13 am

“They have also now clear Tom Delay”

Ummm, idiot,
“The Hammer” has been cleared of ONE of the pile of charges, there’s still plenty of charges left for that “fine American” Tom the Hammer Delay…

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:14 am

So if it’s wrong to oppose a mosque at Ground Zero — because after all, the Constitution allows it — would CT consider it equally wrong to oppose a KKK museum near the site of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama … site of the 1963 church bombing that killed four young black girls?

After all, the Constitution allows that, too. And that incident also happened a long time ago. And as we all know, you can’t judge an entire group by the actions of a few members.

CRS

August 17th, 2010
9:15 am

A huge portion of one of the jets’ engine fell though the roof of this site…so I think it is part of the memorial.

T Knight

August 17th, 2010
9:16 am

“There is no good reason why a mosque at ground zero should concern the vast majority of americans, especially 9 years after Sept. 11″.

Cynthia…. are you smoking crack! The thought that you would make such an insensitive asinine comment is just unbelieveable. Technically, yes they have the right to build there, but the peaceful, loving religion of Islam should be considerate of the fact that area is a grave yard, one that they made.

Most muslims are not radicalized and would probably not think building a mosque at this site is appropriate.

Bratty1

August 17th, 2010
9:16 am

hey CT, did you notice Dingy harry Reid come out against the mosque? as well as Ed Koch..I know you are semi literate at the very least, so your leftist stupidity is probably a sham show (although why anyone would want to portray a retarded clown a.k.a leftist is beyond me) but even you can’t mistake Harry Reid as a republican leader. and Mark Mckinnon voted for obama..he is not a conservative, just a go along to get along douchebag…

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
9:17 am

Ms. Tucker; I would hope your right and all this hoopla dies down. Did you read my 8:54 post? The rally was canceled, but the riot was not. While I don’t condone or condemn either the right or the left, the area where the riot took place was over 90% Democrats, intolerant Democrats.

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:17 am

“@John K – a piece of the landing gear from one of the WTC planes hit the same building where this mosque will be built. How is that NOT ground zero.”

It was not a target. I said it was near.

If a group buys a building and has all permits and meets all local requirements, how are they not allowed to build there?

Rightwing Troll

August 17th, 2010
9:17 am

“Manufactured? I think the majority object. As usually, you are way off base.”

Yes, the vast majority of the sheeple who are part of the conservitard machine object, because that’s what you’ve been told to do.

The problem is that the attack had less to do with Islam, and more to do with ultra conservative nut sacks and thier own special interpretations of thier chosen religion, kinda like the conservitards here…

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:18 am

ignore the name-jacker at 9:13.
I am the complete moron.

ken R

August 17th, 2010
9:18 am

When you know that you will lose your Ass in November why not just lie and tear into your opponents hoping some morons will believe you.

And for the 5th time please update your 15 year old picture, this alone tells me that you are delusional, sorry, don’t want to be mean but the picture doesn’t even come close to looking like you.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
9:18 am

Peadawg, you’re trying to dig yourself out of a hole, my friend. How do YOU know how the NAACP views the Confederate battle flag? while I suspect there are some (political leadership) who would use it as Newt et al are using the mosque issue (political fundraising/campaigning), it is not possible to know “feelings” of ALL NAACP members. you’re using the same flawed logic you are using to “define” or judge ALL Muslims. are you familiar with the pink triangle as a symbol or icon of gays and lesbians? do you know where it originated? Nazi Germany. the Nazi had patches to identify each (villified) demographic; Jews were required to wear yellow stars of David and homosexuals were required to wear pink triangles, etc. now, the gay community could have allowed itself to be “abused” or “offended” by pink triangles, but instead they TOOK the symbol and re-branded it as a symbol of PRIDE. as I said, the folks who oppose this mosque citing “feelings” or “wisdom” or “salt in the wound” or “slaps in the face” are pandering to cowardice and fear, and nothing more. you want to slap Islam back, move to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and build a church, set up a mission; or die trying.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:18 am

neo-Carlinist wrote:

Peadawg, again, how is a group of Americans excercising their first amendment rights “a slap in the face”? you folks need to man up.
___________________________________

*** Last time I checked, the right of citizens to protest a government action they didn’t agree with was also covered by the First Amendment.

Looks like you folks need to man up, too.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:19 am

Namejacker @ 9:09 (two times)

You continue to flatter me!

Larry Jones

August 17th, 2010
9:19 am

beck is mccarthy for our times, so sad…

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:20 am

WAR

August 17th, 2010
9:11 am

Some muslims also believe it’s okay to strap a bomb to a mentally handicapped young girl and send her in to a crowd.

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:20 am

“Last time I checked, the right of citizens to protest a government action they didn’t agree with was also covered by the First Amendment. ”

And who said you couldn’t?

WAR

August 17th, 2010
9:20 am

upon further review
that is a great point. but like you said, the constitution allows it. are we going to change the writ to fit us everytime we disagree with someone’s decision. this is a local issue that has to be handled locally. if they don’t want it there, then new yorkers will find a way.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:21 am

We must destroy capitalism.
Only socialism will save America.

jt

August 17th, 2010
9:21 am

Republicans run on these wedge issues because EVEN THEY can’t keep a straight face when they try to run on fiscal conservatism. It is the ONLY type of thing they CAN run on.

The republicans might take over power in 2010 or 2012, but don’t expect them to lower taxes, shrink government, or balance the budget. If you do, then you are as gullible as democrats. (end war, single-payer, good government,etc………..).

Keep voting R & D. Keep being a federo-sexual.

WAR

August 17th, 2010
9:22 am

ct race baiter
true… and there are christians who believe regime change is sanctioned by God. (we can do this all day).

Normal

August 17th, 2010
9:22 am

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
9:02 am
To Whiner’s man crush

While the history of Christianity has some unfavorable periods, there is no modern day shared traits between Christianity and Islam. The issue with Muslims is their irrational core remains.

I submit that that “world domination” is the aim of both cults, but their methods are just different, is all…

Peadawg, War…

If you put one puts their children on the firing line to promote one’s political agenda, one can’t cry foul when they are pinged on

Burp Bacharach

August 17th, 2010
9:22 am

We should remove all Southern Baptist churches from Atlanta so as to not offend victims of Eric Rudolph….

Eric Pearson

August 17th, 2010
9:22 am

Is anyone surprised by any of this duplicitous hypocrisy? I mean, really!

sam

August 17th, 2010
9:22 am

is this mosque a terrible idea? absolutely. do they have the right to build it there? absolutely. will there be consequences if they do? you bet your ass there will..for the good of us all hopefully they will move uptown a bit.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:22 am

Ms. Tucker,

You negelected to credit the one Republican that has a direct say in the matter of an Islamic community center in Manhattan. Mayor Bloomberg (R- New York).

Let’s see what this Republican hate monger has to say about the center:

We would betray our values and play into our enemies’ hands if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else. In fact, to cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists, and we should not stand for that.

For that reason, I believe that this is an important test of the separation of church and state as we may see in our lifetimes, as important a test. And it is critically important that we get it right.

…Muslims are as much a part of our city and our country as the people of any faith. And they are as welcome to worship in lower Manhattan as any other group.”

Meanwhile Harry Ried (D-Senate Majority Leader) is calling for them not to build there.

While Democrat Reid and the Republican Pundits and candidates you quote above are dead wrong, not everything is a partisan whacking stick.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:22 am

John K wrote:

If a group buys a building and has all permits and meets all local requirements, how are they not allowed to build there?
________________________________________

*** The issue is not what is LEGAL, but what is RIGHT.

It is LEGAL to locate a KKK office near the site of the Martin Luther King assassination and adorn it with a goofy caricature of Dr. King.

But it is not RIGHT to do so, and I would argue just as strenuously against the KKK museum as the mosque near Ground Zero.

But if you’re going to argue that Americans should shut up and take it every time someone attempts to do something LEGAL, then you have no business objecting to the aforementioned KKK museum with the goofy caricature of Dr. King.

John

August 17th, 2010
9:23 am

“Technically, yes they have the right to build there, but the peaceful, loving religion of Islam should be considerate of the fact that area is a grave yard, one that they made.”

T Knight, should peaceful, loving Christians be considerate of the fact kids were molested by clergy over decades and not build any Church near schools, playgrounds or other places where kids congregate?

gmaye

August 17th, 2010
9:23 am

I am glad,that muslims, Latinos,Mexicians
are see these Conservatives bigots what that really are.

The world is wathching these idiots, Newt, Hannity, Beck for what they really are a bunch of racist people who are going to start a race war in this country.
I am so glad because these idiots are making Obama more appealling for re election in 2012.

Hey Conservatives Bigots, You dont own America, Muslims died in 911.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:24 am

John K @ 9:10 am

So now it’s a community center? Wow, how quaint. So does this mean EVERYONE in the community can now enjoy the muslim experience of abusing women, honor killings, bomb building and detonating, and utter hatred of the Jews? Just what NY needs, right?

LOL

August 17th, 2010
9:24 am

“As usual the tolerant (Christians, whites, Conservatives, Americans, etc.) ”

You have it exactly backwards, ashley. I’d say the overwhelming majority of intolerance in this country comes from white, conservative Christians. And I say that having grown up a white, conservative Christian.

Granny Crapzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:24 am

I want to build a mosque in my backyard.

zeke

August 17th, 2010
9:25 am

C.T. is an enormous waste of the human mind!

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:25 am

For those who think the Mosque should be pressured or required to move remember what the law of our land has been since December 15, 1791. This is important because there is a high likelyhood that this Amendment has secured and preserved your right to worship as you see fit be you Baptist, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim or other…

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Bratty1

August 17th, 2010
9:25 am

muslims died in 911, but not nearly enough of them.

WAR

August 17th, 2010
9:25 am

normal
as a note of WAR: children are the last line of defense. no man puts his children in harm’s way to save himself. the prez might not be doing a great job or terrible job, but he hasn’t put his children in front of him to save his presidency. besides, who would attack a child even IF they were in the line of political fire? sounds abnormal to me.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:25 am

and a few more times I see

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:26 am

gmaye

August 17th, 2010
9:23 am

Yes, those muslims who hijacked the planes did indeed die on 911. Your liberal empathy for the pain they endured is very admirable.

Libertarian

August 17th, 2010
9:26 am

Cynthia conveniently ignores what Harry Reid said. Its only the evil republicans who are against the mosque. Cynthia has her groups that she hates and that’s the way it is. (republicans, wall street, the evil rich, etc.)

ken R

August 17th, 2010
9:26 am

jt, I fully agree with you, I try to be a conservative but I don’t trust or like either party. I just think that the Democrats are a little worse that the Republicans. They are in office to get rich and take care of themselves not the people of this country.

Granny Crapzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:27 am

Barack Obama is the Grand Poobah Muslim of the World…worship him, slaves.

kayaker 71

August 17th, 2010
9:27 am

So let’s dress up a platoon of men in Reb uniforms, place them on horses, supply them with the Stars and Bars and march them through Clayton County on the way to downtown Atlanta. When they reach downtown Atlanta, they can meet up with the Atlanta Chapter of the KKK and have a rally. Think that Kasim would issue the permits or would he say that that sort of behavior is “insensitive” to the population of Atlanta? Could they get away with such nonsense? Probably. It is a good idea? Not on your life. If these so called “Muslim Americans” had one lick of common sense and would speak out against this proposed mosque, they might be viewed by other Americans as sensible, caring people who recognize the folly of this plan. How many have you heard from? Moderate Islam? There is no such thing.
Recep Tayyip Ergogan, Turkish Prime Minister and ex-mayor of Istanbul,

“The mosques are our barracks, the minarets are our bayonets, the domes are our helmets and the believers are our soldiers”.
Pull your head out of your a** and take a good look at what is really going on. They are hiding behind our Constitution, laughing at our ignorance and naivetivity and planning the next step. And you libs don’t want to hurt their feelings.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:27 am

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:25 am

Congress also passed laws about immigration yet has failed to act upon it. Your point?

Normal

August 17th, 2010
9:27 am

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:22 am

I’m sorry, but that is the most inane post I have read here. Legal is THE LAW, period. What you perceive as “right”, has nothing to do with it, most especially when the majority of this country doesn’t agree with you. We are a nation built on rights and laws,period.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:28 am

WAR wrote:

upon further review
that is a great point. but like you said, the constitution allows it. are we going to change the writ to fit us everytime we disagree with someone’s decision. this is a local issue that has to be handled locally. if they don’t want it there, then new yorkers will find a way.
_________________________________

*** I respectfully disagree — 9/11 was an issue that affected the entire nation, not just New York.

Calling it a local issue is like saying that the Pearl Harbor bombing was a matter that should concern only Hawaiians.

As far as I’m concerned, Muslims have every right to try to build a mosque near Ground Zero … and American citizens who find it offensive have every right to try to thwart their attempt to do so via any legal means available.

The Constitution cuts both ways.

WAR

August 17th, 2010
9:29 am

i remember when other races and religions weren’t allowed to worship in certain places because the “mainstream Americans” didn’t have the same race and religion. just saying…

John

August 17th, 2010
9:29 am

“So does this mean EVERYONE in the community can now enjoy the muslim experience of abusing women, honor killings, bomb building and detonating”

C Tucker, the race baiter, point out where any Muslim Mosque here in the US is doing these things you mentioned?

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:30 am

“*** The issue is not what is LEGAL, but what is RIGHT.”

What is legal is right. It should not fall down to the whims of paranoid alarmists who have been whipped up into a frenzy by Palin/Gingrich, etc.

I understand the right wants to put this disclaimer on our rights:

*invalid if we don’t like it.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:30 am

Would the muslims be okay with the Jews building a Synagogue right next to their “community center”?

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
9:31 am

I see it’s time to back out and get some work around the yard done. The children have taken over the blog. I would say “have a nice day all,” but am sure someone here would say “don’t tell me what to do!”

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:31 am

I wonder how many people protesting the Mosque and Community Center (and yes it was always a community center) buy their gas at a company that buys oil from Saudi Arabia and wouldn’t mind a station being located in lower Manhattan?

How do they feel about the strip clubs and betting parlors in the same neighborhood?

If this ground is hallowed it is American hallowed ground, not Christian, Mulsim or Jewish hallowed ground. As such we should all be strongly defending the rights of any American to worship there by the dictates of their own conscience.

If there is a religious skirmish started over this then the terrorists have really succeeded in what they set out to do on 9/11. Those of you fighting are enablers to the terrorists.

(BTW- Ms. Tucker I’m one of those ugly Republicans you keep writing about)

Obama's Buddies

August 17th, 2010
9:31 am

Lets reach out!

1- More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.
2- Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.
3- More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.
4- 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65
Ramadan Bombathon 2010

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
“He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah’s cause”
Muhammad, prophet of Islam

2010.08.16 (Elasha Biyaha, Somalia) – A cleric who advocated peace is assassinated by Islamists.
2010.08.16 (Kunduz, Afghanistan) – A couple in their 20’s is stoned by Islamic fundamentalists for having sex. The man has to be finished off with a gunshot.
2010.08.16 (Farah, Afghanistan) – Two people are killed when Taliban gunmen fire into a bazaar.
2010.08.15 (Numaniya, Iraq) – Muslim gunmen murder an Iraqi pharmacist who had returned from studies in the U.S.
2010.08.15 (Jurf al-Sakhar, Iraq) – Three worshippers are shot to death outside a mosque by sectarian rivals.
2010.08.14 (Sindh, Pakistan) – A woman and boy are left dead when Muslim rivals attack each other over where to build a madrasah.

“O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who
are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,
and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty”
Qur’an, Sura 9:123

2OldForThis

August 17th, 2010
9:31 am

what happened to journalism??? We now have relentless fear mongering.

ctucker

August 17th, 2010
9:32 am

C Tucker, the race baiter,

two things, first of all, the proposed community center is not “right next to” Ground Zero. It’s proposed for a building two blocks away that used to be a Burlington Coat Factory. Second, many Jews support the Cordoba Initiative.

calvinb

August 17th, 2010
9:32 am

Well, Well, Well. You guys guys need to be ashamed of yourselves. If you are the ones who opposed a Church/Mosque that is not really a mosques but an Islamic Center. But to discrimiinate against a religion that you are not personnaly apart of is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and it goes against one of the basic Tenents.

Americans don’t do that to people who may not be Jewish, or Christian, or Hindu, or whatever RELIGION you happen to be. All Religions worships freely in this country without fear of being singled out. PERIOD.

Jose

August 17th, 2010
9:32 am

Typical Tuck, you have the democratic pary crumbling at the feet of the messiah and you want to spin your articles on the GOP? The man could have put this to rest Friday night by giving his true feelings on the mosque but, Noooooo, he has to tell his muslim crowd that night one thing and then turn around on Saturday morning and move to the center. This guy is toast! His party is toast! Now even dems like Harry Reid are coming out against the mosque being built at the proposed site. Like obama tucker, you are on the wrong side AGAIN! Do you not grow tired of being wrong?

Contractor

August 17th, 2010
9:32 am

Can you please tell me why the mosque can be built near Ground Zero, but the Confederate flag can’t be flown without a major issue?

Normal

August 17th, 2010
9:33 am

WAR

August 17th, 2010
9:25 am

Exactly!

But when a certain un-named person(s) flaunt their children for political gain, how can they not expect some whacko jouralist or politician to take shots?

Anyone, who would use their children for political gain, other than the traditional “family album” PR shoot, stands in the realm of “Adnormal”, too. Wouldn’t you agree?

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
9:33 am

John – when a religion is manifested in forms that threaten our being, it can no longer receive the protection of the 1st Amendment. You can’t equally shelter and destroy your enemy. And yes, I am stating Islam is the enemy.

War – I can see some comparitive points between Islamic terrorists and anti-abortion Christians, but certainly the degree to which the terrorists have acted causes that comparison to pale to insignificance.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:33 am

C Tucker, the race baiter “Would the muslims be okay with the Jews building a Synagogue right next to their “community center”?

The pro-Israeli lobby JStreet collected over 10,000 signatures in support of the center that were delivered to the Landmarks Preservation Commission ahead of its vote on the Cordoba House. In response to their efforts Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said, “I express my heartfelt appreciation for the gestures of goodwill and support from our Jewish friends and colleagues. Your support is a reflection of the great history of mutual cooperation and understanding that Jewish and Muslim civilizations have shared in the past, and remains a testament to the enduring success of our continuing dialogue and dedication to upholding religious freedom, tolerance and cooperation among us all as Americans.”

ctucker

August 17th, 2010
9:34 am

You Asked, Then you are one of the remaining Republicans who respects American values. BTW, you’ll note that this morning’s post was specifically about the GOP leadership.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:34 am

Normal wrote:

Upon Further Review

I’m sorry, but that is the most inane post I have read here. Legal is THE LAW, period. What you perceive as “right”, has nothing to do with it, most especially when the majority of this country doesn’t agree with you. We are a nation built on rights and laws,period.
_____________________________________

*** Getting past the schoolyard name-calling, let’s examine your premise:

1. What do you mean, the majority of the country doesn’t agree with me? The last poll I saw said that about two-thirds of all Americans oppose a mosque near Ground Zero.

2. If what I perceive as “right” has nothing to do with it, then you apparently believe that no American has a right to oppose ANYTHING that is legal. OK, but by that standard, you have no right to object to a KKK museum constructed near the site of the Martin Luther King assassination, complete with a goofy caricature of Dr. King.

After all, the KKK museum is legal, too. Are you saying you wouldn’t object to it either?

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:34 am

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:30 am

If something is legal it is right? California rejected gay marriage in the last election, so that means banning gay marriage is right. Is that the connection you’re making?

Okay, so since we have immigration laws they must be right, and if they are right, why doe the feds fail to enforce them?

ctucker

August 17th, 2010
9:35 am

Normal, The Bill of Rights stands regardless of what the “majority” thinks. That’s the point of the Bill of Rights.

candi

August 17th, 2010
9:35 am

The ironic thing is, this is NOT holy ground. It is TWO BLOCKS from the site of Ground Zero in a former Burlington Coat Factory. The Republicans have sunk to a new low. Sadly, many Americans seem to agree with them. What has happened to our country that hate and intolerance have been pushed to the forefront of our political discourse? We are looking more and more like the Taliban every day. Al Quaeda must be thrilled at our vile actions.

ken R

August 17th, 2010
9:35 am

I have seen many instances on TV, movies, and in the paper where most religions were made fun of sometimes even hateful stuff and yet those religions have been very tolerant, however almost all of these same groups are terrified to make fun of the Koran or Muslims because they don’t want a price on their head. Rushdie comes to mind.

markie mark

August 17th, 2010
9:35 am

To my liberal friends….I notice that in the media, they typically repeat each others words…you hear a story about a specific conservative and that news anchor (pick your mass media outlet) says a phrase like “…the Republicans ill-advised move” and you can change the channel that night to any other station (NBC, CBS, ABC, GPT, etc) and they are all saying ” …the Republicans ill-advised move”…..they really DO act in concert….what frosts me, however, is for some radical who claims to be part of the conservative movement and all of a sudden ALL conservatives are treated like SFD does with sayings like “teatards”. There are many good, honorable people that can argue their point intellectually and passionately. We may, and probably wont, agree. But at least be adult enough to argue THE POINT. And not deflect with stupid childish names…..people do that when they dismiss the point before its made….how the hell can I learn from you or you from me if we cant argue in an adult manner?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:35 am

Which form of Islam is your enemy Johnny Reb? (Go take a while to look it up- we will await your informed answer…)

Ricardus

August 17th, 2010
9:35 am

The Socialist-Democrats always look for excuses to play the “Constitution card” as well as the race card hoping for an advantage.
Truth is most SDs know nothing about the US Constitution and don’t believe in it…it isn’t even part of their culture.

ctucker

August 17th, 2010
9:35 am

Libetarian, I disagree with Harry Reid, but he’s not leading the demagoguery. He didn’t compare the Cordoba Initiative to Nazis

killerj

August 17th, 2010
9:36 am

I didn,t know Reed was republican,this is great! you go girl!

Rob

August 17th, 2010
9:36 am

Would it be okay for me to build a bar that caters to Gay Muslim males right across the street from the Islamic temple?

jt

August 17th, 2010
9:36 am

ken R

I’m with you, but………………………….
who REALLY has the moral high ground. Democrats who promise big government, and deliver. Or Republicans who promise smaller government, but lie.

They both are evil. No matter how good an individual may be, he or she would still be judged wrong if he or she was a member of the Klan. That is the way I see it.

ctucker

August 17th, 2010
9:36 am

race baiter, you know that Muslims died in the World Trade Center, right?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:36 am

@CTucker- “Then you are one of the remaining Republicans who respects American values. BTW, you’ll note that this morning’s post was specifically about the GOP leadership.”

There are a lot of us remaining republicans that share my sentiments including perhaps the most influencial Republican leader that has a direct say so in this case. Michael Bloomberg.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
9:36 am

All of you who fear the Islam Boogie Man, had better start funding NASA,
because they are everywhere, they are EVERYWHERE, OMG, EVERYWHERE! BOO!!!

Time for y’all to go to the moon…jus’ sayin’

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:37 am

John K wrote:

“*** The issue is not what is LEGAL, but what is RIGHT.”

What is legal is right. It should not fall down to the whims of paranoid alarmists who have been whipped up into a frenzy by Palin/Gingrich, etc.

I understand the right wants to put this disclaimer on our rights:

*invalid if we don’t like it.
_______________________________________

*** OK then, I’ll put you down as supporting a KKK museum on the site of the Martin Luther King assassination … complete with goofy caricature of Dr. King.

Because that is legal, too — and according to you, “what is legal is right.”

Granny Crapzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:37 am

I am building a mosque in my back yard and atop will have placed the confederate flag, a cross, the black panther closed fist, a buddha with a big belly and a crescent moon.

Jose

August 17th, 2010
9:37 am

calvinb

August 17th, 2010
9:32 am
Well, Well, Well. You guys guys need to be ashamed of yourselves. If you are the ones who opposed a Church/Mosque that is not really a mosques but an Islamic Center. But to discrimiinate against a religion that you are not personnaly apart of is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and it goes against one of the basic Tenents.

Americans don’t do that to people who may not be Jewish, or Christian, or Hindu, or whatever RELIGION you happen to be. All Religions worships freely in this country without fear of being singled out. PERIOD.

This is typical liberal spin. There is not one about religous freedom. This about a building being built to close to ground where 3,000+ people died because of islamic terrorists. They could move this proposed mosque somewhere else today but, want it right in that spot as a reminder. You think the extremists would not laugh their butts off once this is completed? Quit spinning libs and start understanding the feelings of the families of those killed by the islamic extremists. I thought you were the part of feeling and caring.

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:37 am

“If something is legal it is right? California rejected gay marriage in the last election, so that means banning gay marriage is right. Is that the connection you’re making?”

Ah, so this is when you say you don’t understand Constitutional issues?

Granny Crapzilla

August 17th, 2010
9:37 am

“Would it be okay for me to build a bar that caters to Gay Muslim males right across the street from the Islamic temple?”

Im building one of those in my backyard also.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:38 am

You Asked wrote:

There are a lot of us remaining republicans that share my sentiments including perhaps the most influencial Republican leader that has a direct say so in this case. Michael Bloomberg.
_____________________________

*** Bloomberg isn’t a Republican — he became an independent three years ago.

jt

August 17th, 2010
9:39 am

It is also tragic to note, this “sacred” ground that the Federal government took over is still (nine years later) just a hole.

Government at work.

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:39 am

“Because that is legal, too — and according to you”

Yes, I may not like it, but it would be legal. This is a real difficult concept for you to grasp, isn’t it?

You do understand that part of having rights granted to our citizens, is that they may say/do/believe things we don’t like? But they have a right to do them?

This is 5th grade social studies, shocked so many of you can’t grasp that.

John

August 17th, 2010
9:40 am

“Can you please tell me why the mosque can be built near Ground Zero, but the Confederate flag can’t be flown without a major issue?”

Contractor, I’ve seen the Confederate flag in truck windows and flow on private property many times without a major issue. Noticed, I said on private property. The Confederate flag issue was about it flying at state capitals…which is public property. The building of this Mosque is on PRIVATE property…not public property. I would oppose a Mosque, Church or any other house of worship on public property based on the 1st amendment.

Rob

August 17th, 2010
9:40 am

CT -

You really need to read Ann Coulter’s book Treason to learn about McCarthy. He was a good man who has been demonized by the liberal media to no end.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:40 am

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:38 am

boo yah, harumph, and attaboy!!!

ctucker

August 17th, 2010
9:40 am

John, Thank you for helping contractor to understand the difference between public and private property

Normal

August 17th, 2010
9:40 am

Point taken Ms Tucker, but I did say we were a Nation built on rights and law. Those rights are, of course, the Bill of Rights.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
9:41 am

Upon Further Review, good point (not). There is not “instant replay” in Constitution. I have not attempted to deny or challenged the rights of Americans to opine about the mosque. I have merely noted my opinion of the weak, cowardly, shameless arguments proferred by some. which brings me back to Peadawg, …Further Review, and other purveyors of ominous, speculative, “what if” arguments. Ever been to the Atlanta History Center in Buckhead? There are exhibits which include BOTH the Civil War and the Civil Rights movemen. Ever been to a concentration camp in Germany? they are de facto Holocaust museums, which are preserved and maintained as monuments to those who died there, and not those who operated the camps. YOU PEOPLE ARE COWARDS. you allow politicians (ideology) to fill your heads with images of boogeymen and slaps in the face, and you allow yourself to be told what you find “offensive” and “insulting” and then you defer responsibility for your own self (important word) defense to others (politicians, gods). you clowns need to stop yammering; “Remember the Maine” (look it up and check out the term “yellow journalism” – I think I am about to copyright the term “yellow politics”).

Brian

August 17th, 2010
9:42 am

Seriously? Head meet sand. So I guess you’re right. Islam is no threat whatsoever to the USA, and if it is a threat at all, the answer to that threat is to simply “extend an open hand” even to the most fundamentalist regimes. Of course, it is true that the vast majority of muslims, certainly those that live in the West are peace loving and tolerant. However, I mean, there are no middle eastern governments set on the basis of sharia law that regularly dehumanize women, petty criminals, and homosexuals, right? They don’t have any sort of desire to spread that sort of government to other areas, do they? Any sort of militant groups supported by these theocracies? But hey, at least they are committed to living in peace with their neighbors…ugh. Funny, too, I didn’t realize that Harry Reid had become a GOP leader…that is interesting. Here, though, is the definition of irony, if the United States government were run in the same manner as these islamic theocracies that you all love so much, you would be the very first ones arrested!

MiltonMan

August 17th, 2010
9:43 am

Granny & Ms. Tucker tonight at 11 on 11Alive sporting the latest Burqa fashions while they turn over their drivers license. Watch it or be an infindel.

Funny to see these two supporting a “religion” that treats women like second-class citizens. I recall Ms. Tucker bashing Christianity a couple of years ago because of the Bible mentioning slavery & that masters should be respectful of them but no mention on how the Islamic faith thumbs it nose at women.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
9:44 am

ken R

August 17th, 2010
9:35 am

That is a good point and perhaps my only gripe with Islam is that while other “religions” have evolved to more or less fit the day, Islam has remained awash in the seventh century. I would pray (if I prayed at all… :) )that one day they will see the light.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:44 am

ctucker

August 17th, 2010
9:36 am

Yes. As I said earlier, I’m well aware that the muzzzzlums who hijacked the planes died that day.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:44 am

“Bloomberg isn’t a Republican — he became an independent three years ago.”

egg/face

John

August 17th, 2010
9:45 am

“John – when a religion is manifested in forms that threaten our being, it can no longer receive the protection of the 1st Amendment. You can’t equally shelter and destroy your enemy. And yes, I am stating Islam is the enemy.”

Get your facts straight…Islam is not the enemy. Even George Bush made the distinction between Islam and extreme terrorist while he was president just after 9/11.

“War – I can see some comparitive points between Islamic terrorists and anti-abortion Christians, but certainly the degree to which the terrorists have acted causes that comparison to pale to insignificance.”

JohnnyReb , so are you trying to say it’s ok to kill a few not not many? What number terrorized or killed is the threshold?

Jose

August 17th, 2010
9:45 am

neo says:Further Review, and other purveyors of ominous, speculative, “what if” arguments. Ever been to the Atlanta History Center in Buckhead? There are exhibits which include BOTH the Civil War and the Civil Rights movemen. Ever been to a concentration camp in Germany? they are de facto Holocaust museums, which are preserved and maintained as monuments to those who died there, and not those who operated the camps. YOU PEOPLE ARE COWARDS.

WTF does this mean neo? So you are telling us that jews would support a building being built next to a concentration camp that would be a think tank for nazi’s? You would support a building next to the King Memorial that would be a memorial to all those KKK people righfully killed? I know you are such a deep thinker but, what the hell does that mean?

Normal

August 17th, 2010
9:46 am

MiltonMan

August 17th, 2010
9:43 am

Wrong again…

They are supporting the right to build a community center. Thay have not said they support Islam.

AndyW

August 17th, 2010
9:47 am

@JohnK.

It’s also perfectly legal for me to travel to Colorado, stand across the street from Columbine High dressed in a black tenchcoat holding a sign that says “They all deserved to die” while doing a happy tapdance.

Does not make it right.

John

August 17th, 2010
9:48 am

“1. What do you mean, the majority of the country doesn’t agree with me? The last poll I saw said that about two-thirds of all Americans oppose a mosque near Ground Zero. ”

Did you also notice the polls where majority of Americans also believe they have a Constitutional right to build on this site.

Russ555

August 17th, 2010
9:48 am

Don’t think the City of New York has the legal grounds to deny the permit to build if the projects meets the zoning and other building regulations.
That leaves public opinion, pressure and good sense to convince the people who want to build that they are doing more harm then good and that they should choose another location. Then it’s up to them to decide whether or not to go forward.
Just because you have a right to do something does not mean it’s a good idea, or in your best interest to do it.
On the other hand, sometimes you have to ignore the objections of the crowd and go forward with what you have a right to do.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
9:48 am

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:44 am

You are so funny you ought to be on a stage…there’s one leaving in ten minutes…do be on it, please.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
9:48 am

ctucker, are you STUCK on this issue? How we doing in IRAQ? How’s the JOBS markets? How’s the GULF of MEXICO?

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
9:48 am

You asked – I don’t have to do a lot of “looking up” to answer. It’s that religion and way of life that degrades women, stones people to death, and has at its core the elimination of all but their religion and way of life.

Normal – you are on the money about Muslims being everywhere. They will take over Europe in our lifetime, and Europe is not happy with that. It’s not too late to stop it in the USA, but the Progressives must wake up and move away from wanting to hug everyone to make it ok.

Tall

August 17th, 2010
9:50 am

A woman named Anna George had a letter to the editor of the WSJ published this morning. In it she states that her family had to flee Iraq in the1960’s to escape the persecution of Christians by Muslims. She makes a very good point and I quote: “Why should the victors(Muslims) be allowed to build a monument on the graves of the victims?” It is in your face by these people. Who is financing the construction of this complex? When Pope John Paull II asked an order of Carmelite nuns to vacate the vvicinty of Aushwitz because it was offensive to the victims, they did so. Isn’t that the same case here?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:50 am

Did you also notice the polls where majority of Americans also believe they have a Constitutional right to build on this site.
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I’ll see those results and raise you an almost 70% level of support among residents of lower Manhattan that also support their right to build there.

Thankfully most Americans seem to understand the constitution and the rights it preserves.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:50 am

John wrote:

“1. What do you mean, the majority of the country doesn’t agree with me? The last poll I saw said that about two-thirds of all Americans oppose a mosque near Ground Zero. ”

Did you also notice the polls where majority of Americans also believe they have a Constitutional right to build on this site.
____________________________________

*** Yeah … and so what?

The KKK has a right to put a museum on the Martin Luther King assassination site, too.

Doesn’t mean Americans would have to shut up and accept that, either. Last time I checked, the First Amendment covered both sides of this issue.

Del,

August 17th, 2010
9:50 am

I guess Cynthia is so busy ranting that she’s missed what Harry Reid and other Democrats are now saying about the Cordoba initiative. She of course has missed what the majority of Americana have been saying.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
9:50 am

Why can’t the US follow Wal-Mart’s lead and CUT EXPENSES?

NEW YORK — Wal-Mart Stores (WMT) reported a 3.6% increase in second-quarter net income and raised its earnings guidance for the full year as it benefits from cost-cutting and robust global growth in China, Brazil and Mexico.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
9:51 am

Rob, and then we should read Coulture’s book about how the 9/11 widows were “harpies” and reveled in their husbands’ deaths.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
9:51 am

You asked – I don’t have to do a lot of “looking up” to answer.
——————————————————
Your ignorance remains unimpeded and demonstrable. Thank you for playing.

WHAT?!

August 17th, 2010
9:52 am

I find it ironic that the same people that will scream to the hilltops about “rights” are the same people demonizing this Muslim center.

Even though the President “weighed in” (foolishly, I think). The bottom line is, like it or not, the Constitution is clear on this. And also – IT IS NOT THE PRESIDENT’S DECISION!

To my knowledge, this permit, etc. was given approval by the LEADERS in NYC!!!!! Where was Rep. Peter King when the permit request was put through?! Oh, that’s right – this isn’t even his district!

Nothing but an opportunist…proving that he is nothing more than a political hack…

getalife

August 17th, 2010
9:52 am

The cons will vote gop no matter how radical they are (party first) but we Independents will not vote for radical right wing extremists.

I think the dems will do well in November.

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:53 am

“It’s also perfectly legal for me to travel to Colorado, stand across the street from Columbine High dressed in a black tenchcoat holding a sign that says “They all deserved to die” while doing a happy tapdance.

Does not make it right.”

Yes, that would be legal, disgusting but legal. And apparently a very difficult concept for many to grasp.

And if you’re implying that’s what this community center is doing, that’s your right too; even though I (and many others disagree). Still doesn’t change the fact that this group has the right to build what they want as long as they comply with a local regulations.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
9:53 am

Normal
August 17th, 2010
9:48 am

Thank you. I do aim to please. I’ll be here all week.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
9:54 am

The issue is not about “freedom of religion”.

Any questions?

How’s Obama doing as a leader on this or any other issue?

lovelyliz

August 17th, 2010
9:55 am

Why should any politician run on matters of substance when the superficial and xenophobic works so well????????

Jose

August 17th, 2010
9:55 am

Del,

August 17th, 2010
9:50 am
I guess Cynthia is so busy ranting that she’s missed what Harry Reid and other Democrats are now saying about the Cordoba initiative. She of course has missed what the majority of Americana have been saying.

Tucker is so busy always protecting her president that all common sense has left her head. The fact that dems are leaving the Titanicobama like rats should speak volumes but, tuck only sees issues in colors and must stand by her man. And what does she lose? Her credibility? She is not running for office. She is not asked to go on tv and defend what she says (or is she and won’t?). No, tuck can go down with the obama ship and not suffer a scratch unlike the dems that he is taking down with him. I have to admit, it is pretty cool to watch this ship go down and pretty amusing.

John K

August 17th, 2010
9:55 am

“The KKK has a right to put a museum on the Martin Luther King assassination site, too. ”

Not unless the KKK owns the site.

Contractor

August 17th, 2010
9:56 am

Tucker,

Kiss off for being yourself and not answering the question directed at you. How about you be a real professional and answer the questions directed towards you instead of sidestepping them like your party is known for doing. Your boy Obama is back peddling now and saying his comments were taken out of context as soon as his approval on this issue dropped to 30-70. Seems like a re-occurring theme with the White House these days. This is the exact reason why no one likes you or your articles. We oppose your views, and I promise that is the only way you have 90% of your comments, so you can be embarrassed every time you copy and paste. You think you are so high and mighty in your little cubical at the AJC behind a computer. Your views are garbage, and you do nothing but basically rip this country for what it is, but you still benefit from what this country gives you. Keep on foaming at the mouth like you always do, but the honest truth will show when your beloved officials are dumped on their tails come November.

HDB

August 17th, 2010
9:56 am

Upon Further Review August 17th, 2010
8:48 am
“There is no divisive issue the [Republican] party won’t exploit, no wedge it won’t use as it seeks votes and tries to separate the unum into pluribus.” — Cynthia Tucker That may be the most unintentionally hilarious CT quote of the week.

But….based in truth! Name me ONE divisive issue that the GOP hasn’t used??

“Where was her self-righteous outrage when the president was eagerly exploiting an Arizona immigration law that he and his attorney general hadn’t even read yet? Yet that didn’t stop him from trying to convince Hispanics that they could no longer take their kids to the ice cream store for fear of being hassled by the police on the basis of their skin color … even though the law specifically prohibited racial profiling.”

Wrong again……SB 1070 allows racial profiling…
..from SB 1070:

A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution.

It SHOULD read: A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may NOT consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution.

Come on, CT — as sports fans commonly say to referees, “Call it both ways!”

I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 17th, 2010
9:56 am

Russian government sees harsh evidence of global warming

7:19 am August 16, 2010, by ctucker

Russian Scholar Warns Of ‘Secret’ U.S. Climate Change Weapon…

Notice how the moonbats congregate together?

lovelyliz

August 17th, 2010
9:56 am

The US Constitution doesn’t just protect those we have the warm fuzzies for.

Jose

August 17th, 2010
9:57 am

John K says:Yes, that would be legal, disgusting but legal. And apparently a very difficult concept for many to grasp.

And if you’re implying that’s what this community center is doing, that’s your right too; even though I (and many others disagree). Still doesn’t change the fact that this group has the right to build what they want as long as they comply with a local regulations.

But is not disgusting for the New Yorkers to have this mosque built next to Ground Zero? What do you think would happen to anyone that did that sort of act at Columbine? I am betting bodily harm and possible loss of life.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
9:57 am

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
9:48 am

You don’t have enough faith in our Country or our People. They don’t call the SS of A “The Great Melting Pot” for nothing. There is already an “Americianized” version of Islam being practised here and it will continue that way. America may seem like a lot of glitter and no substance, to the Radical Muslim, but in the end, it will be the character of America (with a little glitter thrown in) that will win them over. This Country will always win over extreme ideas because of the very nature of our desire to be laid back…all we have to do is shut up with the hating and watch the metamorphosis…

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
9:57 am

You asked – I have found that the Left who post here turn to insult when they have no other defense. Some, like you, consider themselves elite and know best regardless. It is those us on the Right wish to wash away. The November flood is coming.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
9:57 am

John K wrote:

“Because that is legal, too — and according to you”

Yes, I may not like it, but it would be legal. This is a real difficult concept for you to grasp, isn’t it?

You do understand that part of having rights granted to our citizens, is that they may say/do/believe things we don’t like? But they have a right to do them?

This is 5th grade social studies, shocked so many of you can’t grasp that.
___________________________________

*** LOL, I love the snarky condescension. I’ll give you this, John — you’re the best spitball thrower I’ve met since the sixth grade.

But again, I’m going to step away from the children’s card table and discuss adult issues.

You didn’t answer my question. I didn’t ask whether you agreed that a KKK museum on the site of the MLK assassination was LEGAL … I asked whether you would raise no objections to it on the basis of your premise that “what is legal is right.”

And would you be in here telling everybody else to shut up about it, too, based on the fact that the KKK has every legal right to build a museum on the very site where Dr. King was assassinated?

Do tell, John.

Jeremy

August 17th, 2010
9:59 am

Just put some bbq restaurants and strip clubs around it. Then have Mohammad drawing contests and see the response of the Muslims. We allow Muslims to go by such a different standard. The newspaper who printed the cartoon of Mohammad was free to do so. Yet when we are offended by something being done by Muslims we are the bigots. It really doesn’t offend me but i totally understand the pain it could cause to others.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
10:00 am

Reid wants to pass the 9/11 responder bill the gop blocked and is using this issue as a compromise to get it.

The gop will still vote no and say they care about 9/11 which is a lie.

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
10:00 am

Normal – I hope you are correct. Unfortunately, too large a portion of our population has lost its spine, in more ways than one.

Sundawg

August 17th, 2010
10:01 am

@WAR,
Islam is not older than Christianity.
Oh and Mohammed was a pedophile.

AndyW

August 17th, 2010
10:01 am

Please give me an example of a Republican leader who said that building the victory mosque is illegal. This is NOT a legal issue, clearly they are allowed to build there.

It’s an issue of right and wrong – a concept few liberals can grasp.

Del,

August 17th, 2010
10:01 am

I see some are still attempting this straw man argument about the Constitution. The American majority says that while this Muslim organization has the right to build they should not build their center so near to Ground Zero. Interesting that after Obama had his Ramadan gala fawning over Islam and stepping into a political mess the Muslim group associated with this project could bail him out by simply saying that they’ve reconsidered and will locate elsewhere and thus far have not. If they did this issue would almost immediately go away and Obama would be off the hook.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
10:02 am

Jose, OK, you can leave the kids table and sit with the grown-ups. I’ll tell you WTF it means; it means I don’t speak for Jews. Jews are free to endorse or oppose whatever museum or monument the like. it means I don’t speak for the NAACP, the KKK, the Nazi Party, the American Communist Party, or the Cordova Initiative. IT MEANS we the People get into rough seas when we start projecting our (often infantile, fear-based, delusional) values, OR claim to know the motives, intentions, and “feelings” of others. IT MEANS the majority of people who oppose the mosque are ignorant cowards who fear the unknown, and know nothing about Islam, the Consitution, or the zoning laws governing lower Manhattan. you people are like freaking “face painters” at a college football game. you are “entertained” by the blood sweat and tears of others; and you “pledge allegiance” based on a zip code or a degree conferred from one university or the other. AS I SAID, in many ways you are no better than the culturally, spiritually retarded fundamentalists/terrorists you fear. now go brush tour teeth and get in bed. your mommy (Palin) and your daddy (Newt) will come read you a happy bedtime story in which nobody gets offended, and nobody gets hurt and the evil Muslims cry wee, wee, wee, all the way home to Mecca.

casual observer

August 17th, 2010
10:02 am

Question for Ms Tucker. Do you know anything about the religon of Islam?

Rev Wright

August 17th, 2010
10:03 am

God Damn America!!

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:03 am

JohnnyReb – I am a conservative not a lib. I took CT to task for making this a partisan article when the leader of the Senate Harry Reid (D) made negative comments about the mosque and community center (to which she responde the article was about Republicans – no kidding?!)

But you refused to demonstrate that you knew the least little thing about Islam, their sects and the purpose of the Mosque and Community center in lower Manhattan (don’t kid yourself its not on ground zero its two blocks away on the other side of a row of towers- you can’t even see one from the other).

Your willful ignorance (and that is the very definition of refusing to inform yourself) is demonstrable. If you would care to counter your demonstrated willful ignorance with a response other than “I know enough already” then do so. If not stop being a whiney little…

candi

August 17th, 2010
10:03 am

Again, it is NOT ON the site nor across the street…it is 2 BLOCKS away on PRIVATE PROPERTY. I thought right wingers held private property sacrosanct. Obviously not.

USMC DAWG

August 17th, 2010
10:03 am

Once again, Cynthia Tucker proves that Affirmative Action does not work.

Cynthia Tucker = Hateful Ignorant Racist

Cynthia, you need diversity training… Oh, let me guess… you have a lot of white friends.

Drifter

August 17th, 2010
10:03 am

If the Republicans do well in November, it will simply be because they’re not Democrats…certainly not because they’re rational or even remotely qualified to uphold the Constitution. We’re in dire need of a third choice.

John K

August 17th, 2010
10:03 am

“And would you be in here telling everybody else to shut up about it, too, based on the fact that the KKK has every legal right to build a museum on the very site where Dr. King was assassinated?”

Ah, projection. The tool of the tool of the small-minded. Don’t assume I’d be acting like you are here.

Would I be ok with the KKK building a museum on the MLK site? Of course not, the KKK does NOT own the site. They would not have the right to build on something they don’t own.

What about next door? A block or two away? If they owned the land and met all local regulations, yes. Would it be disgusting? Yes. But unlike what you think, my personal distaste for that does not trump their legal right.

John

August 17th, 2010
10:05 am

This really has nothing to do with Ground Zero. It is about fear of Muslims. This is happening all across America…even here locally with the plan expansion of a Mosque and Cultural Center in Lilburn. The GOP is fear mongering again. It’s how they play…we’ve seen it with Shirley Sherrod, immigration and other issues. They’re campaign slogan is “if you don’t vote Republican, American will become a black, Spanish speaking Muslim nation”.

False Events Appearing Real (FEAR)

August 17th, 2010
10:06 am

This is yet another example of the righties speading the same ole venomous FEAR and HATE via a baseless non-issue. I thought the Trade Center was bombed by Al-Qaeda – as in MILITANT, TERRORIST, FRINGE Islamists. And any Muslim here in the US will tell you that Al-Qaeda has nothing to do with true Islam. The FRINGE Right would never let actual facts stop them from conflating poisenous lies into the public stratosphere. And SHAME on the GULLIBLE SHEEPLE for allowing themselves to be such willing victims (aka: like some of the useful idiots that waste our time on these blogs).

JCamp

August 17th, 2010
10:06 am

Shrill demagogues? Into name calling much? CT should be shot for being a traitor. You don’t allow people that kill others to build churches in the name of religious freedom.

Cynthia, the next time your family goes to NY, I hope they’re not blown up by sweet, peace loving Muslims. I know not all Muslims are violent, but this group is headed by a guy that believes in killing infidels. Did you not read his MySpace page?

Keep burying that ugly head of yours in the sand CT. Oh, did I call names? Silly me.

REPUBLICAN AND DAMN PROUD OF IT!

John

August 17th, 2010
10:07 am

Actually they’re campaign slogan is “if you don’t vote Republican, American will become a black, gay, Spanish speaking Muslim nation”.

Left out they’re hatred and fear of gay men and women.

casual observer

August 17th, 2010
10:07 am

John do you know anything about Islam. Get out of Lilburn and get informed.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:07 am

HDB wrote:

Wrong again……SB 1070 allows racial profiling…
..from SB 1070:
____________________________________

*** If that’s the case, then why didn’t Eric Holder make an issue of it in the lawsuit?

Here are two typical newspaper stories after the suit was filed:

1. “But Holder said the lawsuit has nothing to do with any racial profiling implications in the rule; that it focuses on constitutional jurisdiction of immigration policy enforcement.”

2. “Mr. Holder’s Justice Department sued Tuesday to block the law, arguing that it infringed on the federal government’s right to determine immigration policy. But the suit made almost no mention of racial profiling.”

So … Holder used “racial profiling” as a wedge in hopes of stirring up Hispanics for the November election, but in truth, it was never a real issue to him.

Presuming, of course, that he ever got around to reading the bill.

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
10:08 am

You Asked – if you are a Conservative, start acting and posting like one. Rule one, don’t belittle another Conservative. You assume because I don’t post a book I know nothing of the New York Mosque issue. My posts this morning are clear on my opinion of the Mosque and Islam/Muslims. I am sure there are some good people who practive the Islamic faith. They should turn their energies to cleaning their ranks. The Muslims pushing the Ground Zero Mosque are up to no good and naive Americans are joing them.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
10:09 am

If there was a church four blocks away that is so overcrowded the people have to pray outside in the streets, would you cons think they would need another church?

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:09 am

C Tucker, the race baiter wrote:

boo yah, harumph, and attaboy!!!
___________________________

*** Thanks, Baiter … attacking the “what is legal is right” premise is about as difficult as getting a hit in T-ball.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
10:09 am

Media Matters has a great piece up titled

Cover-up: Conservatives now pretending they never attacked Muslims’ religious freedom

but it’s not for the timid….

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
10:10 am

getalife
August 17th, 2010
9:52 am

The cons will vote gop no matter how radical they are (party first) but we Independents will not vote for radical right wing extremists.

I think the dems will do well in November.
____________________________________________________

How firmly do REALLY believe it? Willing to give odds? Before we proceed, you do have a steady job, right?

Tommy Maddox

August 17th, 2010
10:10 am

Someone needs to cue Johnny Cash:

“I here November comin’, it’s comin’ round the bend…”

WAR

August 17th, 2010
10:10 am

sundawg
i already explained that. you’re late. and what evidence do you have that he was like that with children. some say because jesus was with twelve men that made him a homosexual. king james had a relationship with his mother. bet you still read the bible. just saying….

candi

August 17th, 2010
10:11 am

How tragic that the once proud Grand Old Party, the party of Lincoln, has become the party of hate mongers, fear mongers, racists, and bigots.

Contractor

August 17th, 2010
10:11 am

neo-Carlinist,

“IT MEANS we the People get into rough seas when we start projecting our (often infantile, fear-based, delusional) values, OR claim to know the motives, intentions, and “feelings” of others.”

Fear based, delusional values of say, a couple planes flying into a skyscraper in New York killing thousands? After that, pretty hard to swallow the fact that they are peaceful people, seeing as they are still suicide bombing us across seas and killing innocent people. I’d say people have a reason to feel insecure and speak their minds about this issue, just as people spoke their minds about Katrina and how it was handled.

John

August 17th, 2010
10:12 am

AndyW…guess you haven’t seen what Newt Gingrich has said have you? In and email he sent out yesterday soliciting contributions…

” Even though there are more than 100 mosques in the New York City area, there are no churches and synagogues in the entire country of Saudi Arabia.
The time to end this religious double standard is now.”

So now he wants to base the 1st amendment on Saudi Arabia?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:12 am

Even if the Imam wanting to build this site is a scoundrel it does not remove the First Amendment rights of his followers.

To answer the question “is it right” for them to want to build there? Since I cannot divine their intent by mind reading and speculation I will assume they really want to have a place to worship and meet as a community. Until someone provides evidence of nefarious motives they are just talking out of turn.

A Christian response to any perceived affront would be to welcome the center and show support so that any anger or resentment on the part of those building the center would have no place to be expressed and in the long term they it would be a demonstration of Christian love that the world could see. The bonus is that America would have the moral high ground.

A great example of this (for those of you who love to compare this to a Klan rally) is in 1964 when the Black Lincolnville neigborhood in St. Augusta Florida was marched through by the Klan. Instead of returning hate and anger the residents stood on their porches and started singing the Gospel hymn “I love everybody, I Iove everybody, I love everybody in my heart…”

The Klansmen did not find the fight they wanted and walked away embarassed and shamed.

So you tell me WWJD?

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:13 am

CT, you keep making vague assertions such as these:

1. “Some 9/11 families object, but some support the Cordoba Initiative.”
2. “Many Jews support the Cordoba Initiative.”

“Some” and “many” … huh, Ms. Tucker?

So HOW MANY 9/11 families and HOW MANY Jews support a mosque near Ground Zero … and what is the source of your unsupported claims?

WAR

August 17th, 2010
10:14 am

ladies and gentlemen again it is time to leave. and remember children: WAR is raw.

Dave

August 17th, 2010
10:14 am

Mischief in Manhattan

We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation
By Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, Citizen Special

“When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don’t build a monument to those who died in the attack?

New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it’s not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as “Fitna,” meaning “mischief-making” that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

So what gives Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the “Cordoba Initiative” and his cohorts the misplaced idea that they will increase tolerance for Muslims by brazenly displaying their own intolerance in this case?

Do they not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?

There are many questions that we would like to ask. Questions about where the funding is coming from? If this mosque is being funded by Saudi sources, then it is an even bigger slap in the face of Americans, as nine of the jihadis in the Twin Tower calamity were Saudis.

As for those teary-eyed, bleeding-heart liberals such as New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and much of the media, who are blind to the Islamist agenda in North America, we understand their goodwill.

Unfortunately for us, their stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and they will never in their lives have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims Muslims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within. ”

http : // www. ottawacitizen. com/sports/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html

John K

August 17th, 2010
10:14 am

“So now he wants to base the 1st amendment on Saudi Arabia?”

John, I do find it hilarious that the GOP apparently wants to emulate SA. I guess that should be our standard, eh?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:15 am

Upon Further Review- One Jewish group in Manhattan collected 10,000 signatures in support of the Mosque. I’m sure there are more but that’s where you can start counting.

jconservative

August 17th, 2010
10:15 am

Actually I believe the Republican leadership is still concerned about control of the party base. I cannot think of any other reason they would jump on the Muslim, 14th Amendment and other “short term” issues and ignore the best “long term” issue any party has had in over 70 years – namely the economy (unemployment, non ending deficits and the national debt, now $13.3 Trillion, being passed to our grand kids).

And possibly the problem is lack of leadership from the Republican Party. Steele at the Republican National Committee has lost credibility with the membership (where is Haley Barber?). The congressional leadership has proven it is unable to stay on message (the message changes at every Sunday talk show). And no presidential “candidate-in-waiting” has emerged from the pack seeking the nomination. All of the above are fighting among themselves for control of the base. And at this time the base favors no one because the message changes every week.

With the economy as the issue no Democrat at any level should be elected from anything but 100% safe seats. Apparently the Republican leadership does not have the discipline to stay on message. So this week they trumpet “the Muslim problem” and the voters thoughts are distracted from unemployment, deficits and debts.

American political history proves that more elections are won on the issue of the economy than any other. There is no “close” second.

The election is in 11 weeks. Times a wastin! And the Republican Party is wasting away.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
10:16 am

candi,

Why are you racists?

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:16 am

granny godzilla wrote:

Media Matters has a great piece up titled

Cover-up: Conservatives now pretending they never attacked Muslims’ religious freedom

but it’s not for the timid….
______________________________

*** Say what?? Media Matters took a shot at conservatives???

STOP THE PRESSES!

In other breaking news, the sun came up this morning …

Jose

August 17th, 2010
10:16 am

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
10:02 am
Jose, OK, you can leave the kids table and sit with the grown-ups. I’ll tell you WTF it means; it means I don’t speak for Jews. Jews are free to endorse or oppose whatever museum or monument the like. it means I don’t speak for the NAACP, the KKK, the Nazi Party, the American Communist Party, or the Cordova Initiative. IT MEANS we the People get into rough seas when we start projecting our (often infantile, fear-based, delusional) values, OR claim to know the motives, intentions, and “feelings” of others. IT MEANS the majority of people who oppose the mosque are ignorant cowards who fear the unknown, and know nothing about Islam, the Consitution, or the zoning laws governing lower Manhattan. you people are like freaking “face painters” at a college football game. you are “entertained” by the blood sweat and tears of others; and you “pledge allegiance” based on a zip code or a degree conferred from one university or the other. AS I SAID, in many ways you are no better than the culturally, spiritually retarded fundamentalists/terrorists you fear. now go brush tour teeth and get in bed. your mommy (Palin) and your daddy (Newt) will come read you a happy bedtime story in which nobody gets offended, and nobody gets hurt and the evil Muslims cry wee, wee, wee, all the way home to Mecca.

neo, you are a typical liberal elitist who thinks they have a finger on the pulse of the country. What you have is your male organ (assuming you have one) in your hand and don’t have a clue. No one is speaking for the jewish community, it is only common sense that dictates that the majority of jews would not want my example. You want to make everything that is common sense into a complicated think tank issue. I do not think you are as smart as you think. Sort of like out president,you assume you know what is best but, your just stroking it.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
10:16 am

JohnnyReb, agreed that Muslims “should turn their energies to cleaning their own ranks” just as true conservatives should clean their ranks of the neo-con demagogues who are putting self-interest and naked ambition ahead of the Constitution. JCamp, I’ve been to NYC 20 times since 9/11 (visited the “ground zero” in December 2001). I haven’t been “blown up” by a terrorist, nor will I let some irrational fear of being “blown up by a terrorist” control my behavior/choices. I suggest you, Jose, and all the other cowards do the same. as noted, if you really feel strongly about Muslims taking over the world, or stoning women in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran; grab your passport head “over there” and start preaching the Gospel of Jesus and bear witness to the power of (your) god’s love. OR, STFU

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:17 am

JohhnyReb – I ddin’t ask you to provide a book. Some basic knowledge of who these people are and what their real beliefs are would be a good start.

And don’t ask me to lockstep post what you agree with to prove I’m conservative.

My conservativsm is very constitutional and consistent with my love for the freedom to worship for ALL Americans whether I agree with their beliefs or not. Until the group wanting to build this Mosque and community center on their private property is proven to be linked to terrorism or crime they have their full rights in tact. That is the right thing.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:17 am

You Asked wrote:

Upon Further Review- One Jewish group in Manhattan collected 10,000 signatures in support of the Mosque. I’m sure there are more but that’s where you can start counting.
_______________________________________

*** Source?

And how do we know that there were 10,000 JEWISH signatures?

HDB

August 17th, 2010
10:17 am

Upon Further Review August 17th, 2010
10:07 am

Why Holder didn’t, I don’t know…but the law is blatently clear!! Methinks that he wanted to focus on federal vs. state priority rather than the racial aspect of it….

John

August 17th, 2010
10:17 am

“I am a conservative not a lib. I took CT to task for making this a partisan article when the leader of the Senate Harry Reid (D) made negative comments about the mosque and community center (to which she responde the article was about Republicans – no kidding?!)”

You Asked…Harry Reid is the only Democrat who came out against the Mosque and Community Center at this site. I don’t agree and wish he had not. If you noticed though, Harry Reid is not comparing this to Nazis and spewing crap about Saudi Arabia not allowing Churches in their country therefore we should not allow Mosque in the US.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
10:18 am

I am,

I made a bet with a con before.

He welched.

Jose

August 17th, 2010
10:19 am

candi

August 17th, 2010
10:11 am
“How tragic that the once proud Grand Old Party, the party of Lincoln, has become the party of hate mongers, fear mongers, racists, and bigots”.

I thought Lincoln was a republican candi. You must be speaking of the slave owner party of Roosevelt darlin’.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
10:19 am

jconservative,

Over this 70 year span you mentioned, what party held control of Congress more than the other. Hint: they have the power TODAY and look how GREAT thing are for everyone!

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
10:19 am

Fear based, delusional values of say, a couple planes flying into a skyscraper in New York killing thousands? After that, pretty hard to swallow the fact that they are peaceful people

That reminds me. Just how many Muslim children do we need to slaughter with our Freedom Bombs in order to fully avenge 9/11?

I’m just wondering, since it’s going on nine years, and I figure we must be getting close by now.

/drive-by

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
10:22 am

getalife,

So what? One bad apple doesn’t mean the entire bunch is spoiled. Still believing your BS. All monies go to a charity of the winners choice. We can find another party to hold the funds. What’s my odds? 5 to 1, 10 to 1, pick it!

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
10:22 am

Upon Further review

I acknowledge your disdain for Media Matters. No Surprise.

Can you debunk the quotes and videos in said piece or not?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:23 am

You Asked wrote:

Upon Further Review- One Jewish group in Manhattan collected 10,000 signatures in support of the Mosque. I’m sure there are more but that’s where you can start counting.
_______________________________________

*** Source?

And how do we know that there were 10,000 JEWISH signatures?
______________________________

Heh.. They weren’t 10,000 Jewish signatures. They were signature collected by a Jewish group. I will refrain from making a crack about your reading comprehension.

Google JStreet 10000 mosque and you will find several sources for that number.

Drifter

August 17th, 2010
10:23 am

jconservative, the GOP doesn’t want to talk about deficits…they don’t matter to Republicans. I don’t care what they say, they had the chance to address the deficit and all they did was add to it. Historically, if anyone’s going to reduce the deficit, it will be the Democrats.

Blue

August 17th, 2010
10:24 am

CT, I would like to recommend that you use one headline for all articles going forward. Although a little long, you won’t have to think up new ones all the time: “GOP, Bush, Conservatives are bad, racist, intolerant. GOP candidates do bad things, Democrats do not. People who make lots of money should be forced to give it to those who do not, and anyone who does not agree with allowing illegal aliens to stay and have babies is a racist and anti-American; New York Times article attached, proving my points”. Think that about covers it? You can thank me later for the time it saves you.

Mike K

August 17th, 2010
10:24 am

“There is no good reason for a mosque in NYC to concern the vast majority of Americans”

That’s true – including the President. Obama should have kept his trap shut instead of lecturing the 2/3 of Americans who oppose the mosque about the Bill of Rights. Most people are tired of Obama’s paternalism. To be clear, I’ve never heard anyone suggest that Muslims don’t have a right to build this stupid mosque/community center. People just feel that it’s a little too similar to building a German heritage museum at Aushwitz or a Japanese heritage museum at Pearl Harbor. It’s not in good taste and it’s offensive.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
10:24 am

getalife

one welcher different names don’t ya’ think?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
10:24 am

Obama is pulling out because?

WSJ
Death toll in Baghdad bombing is likely to climb. It stands at 48 with some reports as high as 60

Whats Important

August 17th, 2010
10:25 am

Neo-Carlinist, how appropriate that you have chosen to name yourself after a drunken, drug-addled comedian.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
10:25 am

I’m not here.

You’d welch too.

Fool me once………

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
10:26 am

Contractor, read my most recent post. I refuse to allow FEAR to govern me. AND, a group of 19 terrorists, funded and trained by a radical Muslim “flew airplanes into buildings”. as I noted, we (Bush) promised to “smoke ‘em out” and “hunt them down and kill them”. remember tha? it was like 9/12 or 9/13 when he grabbed that bullhorn and told all the first responders (who are now ailing and being held hostage by the GOP) “…the people who did this will pay…”. remember that? I understand the fear that comes because your cowboy didn’t “accomplish his mission” but 9/11 was 9 years ago and Bush is no longer Commander-in-Chief. he took his cuts, whiffed and now he’s back in the dugout.

Bosch

August 17th, 2010
10:26 am

So which is it wingnuts? Do you follow the Constitution or not? It’s really that simple.

Billybob

August 17th, 2010
10:26 am

“There is no good reason for a mosque in NYC to concern the vast majority of Americans — especially nine years after the Sept. 11 atrocities.”

Keep your head in the sand a little longer Tucker. You are always trying to brand repubs/conservatives as racists and bigots. This quote shows exactly who and what you are Tucker. You are a coward and don’t possess a backbone, like all eliteist liberals. You know deep down that this mosque is not the right thing to do, but you are blinded once again by your liberal basis of thought. Your prez has no spine as well and everyone sees he IS NOT a leader. This article is HATE speech, but since I am a WHITE conservative and am not covered by hate crimes, I guess you are off the hook……for now. I hope you realize how weak and pathetic these thoughts are today. Obama showed with his thoughts that he is NOT CAPPABLE of making Presidential decisions. Enjoy your time in the limelight, because it will soon be over with this type of drivel. If we were face to face I would tell you how I really feel about this article. You are welcome, because I know this is exactly the type of reaction and response you were hoping for…..NOW you can say how mean and insensitive conservatives are in your next column. Are there no moral/decency standards at this paper. At least you are helping speed up the journalism bailout that Obama wants to oversee…..

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
10:26 am

Drifter
August 17th, 2010
10:23 am

jconservative, the GOP doesn’t want to talk about deficits…they don’t matter to Republicans. I don’t care what they say, they had the chance to address the deficit and all they did was add to it. Historically, if anyone’s going to reduce the deficit, it will be the Democrats.
__________________________________________________________________

How? By spending more? That’s all they have done to date! Is it working? If you think so, for who? And how?

kayaker 71

August 17th, 2010
10:28 am

John,

If it walks like a duck……. Are you sincerely expecting us to believe your 10:05? Have you looked at Europe lately, especially the UK and Germany? Have you seen how, through intimidation, bullying and selected violence, the Islamic population has virtually taken over parts of each of these countries and other countries in Western Europe? Each of these countries allowed Muslims in through a quota system which got out of hand when Europeans got too lazy to do their own dirty chores. Sort of like America with illegal Mexicans. The population of Muslims grew and as they grew, became more vocal and demanding. It didn’t seem like much at the time, a little here, a little there….. Flash forward to present day. Muslims make up 10% of the population of France. Their intimidation and scare tactics have landed them a voice in government and in local politics. Australia has publicly declared that if they if Muslims don’t like the way things in Australia, they are free to leave. The have not backed down to Muslim demands…. yet.
As each part of the envelope is pushed, however gently, they will gain what they want. They are not in a hurry, they have plenty of time. As Kadafi said when asked about Muslim growth in Europe, “We will take over the whole continent without firing a single shot”. That scares most Americans who have half a brain and it should scare you. If not, you are part of the problem, certainly not the solution.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:29 am

@I’m here from the government and I’m here to help “Historically, if anyone’s going to reduce the deficit, it will be the Democrats.”
___________________________________________
They are off to a terrible start. Not that the Republicans were helping correct that problem.

I think if you look to congress (D and R) to spend responsibly you are probably going to be disappointed.

Ezra

August 17th, 2010
10:29 am

“peaceful American Muslims the right to practice their religion”

Peaceful muslims now that is an oxymoron. Since muslims used violence to spread their religion from its inception, I can not call it peaceful.
We have honor killings in the US. You call it a peaceful religion.
This is CT’s attitude that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Do you think muslims are going to follow the Bill of Rights or the constitution above their religion? Do you hate conservatives that much you will destroy you country for a short few years of power? Those who fall for the clever disguise of the muslims may be the last to get confronted with life or conversion but they will get confronted. Unless there becomes a progressive liberal muslim status. Now can you imagine that.

John

August 17th, 2010
10:29 am

jconservative , you’re right about lack of GOP leadership. It seems the GOP has allowed themselves to be hijacked by Fox News, talk radio, the Tea Party and bloggers with stuff like the Terri Shiavo issue, immigration and now this issue…which by the way, the process in New York City was working peacefully until a right wing blogger blogged about it and it was picked up by Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich who seem to be trying to outdo each other.

John K

August 17th, 2010
10:29 am

“So which is it wingnuts? Do you follow the Constitution or not? It’s really that simple.”

They don’t follow The Constitution.

They follow The Constitution*

*Applied only at our discretion and for our personal benefit

getalife

August 17th, 2010
10:31 am

kay,

You know you will be the minority one day yet you treat the minorities like crap.

Do you believe in karma?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:32 am

@kayaker 71 “Have you looked at Europe lately, especially the UK and Germany? Have you seen how, through intimidation, bullying and selected violence, the Islamic population has virtually taken over parts of each of these countries and other countries in Western Europe?”
______________________________________________

How can we protect ourselves from Sharia law and the takover of the state by a religion. Let me see.

Oh yeah! The 1st Amendment of the Constitution which says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Lets see who else is protected by this Amendment. Oh yeah. The Muslims who want to build a mosque in Manhattan.

See how that works for everyone?

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
10:32 am

Upon Further Review
August 17th, 2010
10:17 am

I guess the petition had a block to check titled “Jew”. They also had blocks for “Muslim” and “Infidel”.

Bosch

August 17th, 2010
10:32 am

John K,

Muslims do if they live here. So, which is it, do you do the same, or do you follow the ways of those you profess to hate so much?

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:33 am

John K wrote:

“And would you be in here telling everybody else to shut up about it, too, based on the fact that the KKK has every legal right to build a museum on the very site where Dr. King was assassinated?”

Ah, projection. The tool of the tool of the small-minded. Don’t assume I’d be acting like you are here.

Would I be ok with the KKK building a museum on the MLK site? Of course not, the KKK does NOT own the site. They would not have the right to build on something they don’t own.

What about next door? A block or two away? If they owned the land and met all local regulations, yes. Would it be disgusting? Yes. But unlike what you think, my personal distaste for that does not trump their legal right.
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*** 1. “Don’t assume I’d be acting like you are here.”

I haven’t assumed anything, John — my observations are based on the way you’re acting here.

2. “They would not have the right to build on something they don’t own.”

Now John … using irrelevant technicalities in a debate is also a tool of the small-minded. But we can cover that, too, since it’s apparently a major component of your rebuttal.

I think it’s obvious to most thinking people that the KKK would first have to purchase the property before it could locate a museum there. I didn’t think it was necessary to mention that, but if you like, I can also stipulate that in order to complete the purchase and open the museum, the KKK would also have to make payments to the existing owner in a timely fashion and conform to all local zoning regulations, too.

3. “What about next door? A block or two away? If they owned the land and met all local regulations, yes. Would it be disgusting? Yes. But unlike what you think, my personal distaste for that does not trump their legal right.”

Alas, John, you seem to need a refresher course in Reading For Comprehension 101.

Nowhere have I stated that Muslims have no LEGAL right to open a mosque near Ground Zero; in fact, I’ve already acknowledged that they do. So stop abusing that poor straw man.

My point was, and is, that what is LEGAL is not always RIGHT. And the fact that something is legal does not mean that those who oppose it are obligated to shut up and accept it. They have every right to seek legal actions and/or find legal avenues to stop the project.

That’s because the same First Amendment that allows Muslims to try to open a mosque near Ground Zero also gives American citizens the right to speak out against it, protest it, and oppose it on any and all legal grounds at their disposal.

NOW do you understand my argument, or would you like me to use smaller words with fewer syllables?

John K

August 17th, 2010
10:34 am

Bosch,

what?

John

August 17th, 2010
10:34 am

“That’s true – including the President. Obama should have kept his trap shut instead of lecturing the 2/3 of Americans who oppose the mosque about the Bill of Rights.”

Mike K…the president was not lecturing the 2/3 of Americans, he was speaking to a group of Muslims at a White House dinner celebrating Ramadan on Friday.

“People just feel that it’s a little too similar to building a German heritage museum at Aushwitz or a Japanese heritage museum at Pearl Harbor.”

We’re ok with driving Japanese cars, aren’t we.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:35 am

Upon further review… I replied to the “what is right” question in my first post on this page. So far it has been ignored by critics of the Mosque and Community center at Park51. (In fairness the thread has been speeding by with our collected “wisdom”).

John K

August 17th, 2010
10:36 am

“That’s because the same First Amendment that allows Muslims to try to open a mosque near Ground Zero also gives American citizens the right to speak out against it, protest it, and oppose it on any and all legal grounds at their disposal.”

And as much as you whine, no one has said you don’t have the right to protest/speak out.

That was an awful lot for you to write just so you could play the victim card.

ck hall

August 17th, 2010
10:38 am

why is something always bad about the GOP. Every article you write is demeaning to them! Makes me think they must be on the correct path in America!

DK

August 17th, 2010
10:39 am

What would happen if a Rib Shack is built next door to the Mosque? I wonder if the Rib Shack would get their permit approved….

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
10:39 am

The article below surfaced on the internet in January 2008 as being published in a Spanish Newspaper written by Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez. Afterward, internet posts state Mr Rodrigez does not exist and the article appeared on the rightwing, pro-Israel, anti-Communist, Spanish language website Gentiuno. Regardless, it has been labeled “fake but accurate” and undoubtedly true that almost all the sentiments expressed in the “article” reflect the Muslim reality in Europe.

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ, By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz … We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe!!
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A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience. Absolutely No Profiling! That New York Mosque has a right under our Constitution, etc. Pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test.

These events are actual, they really happened! Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3.. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centre and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. The United States is fighting a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo`
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. In 2009, 31 people wounded and 13 American Soldiers murdered on base at Fort Hood by a Major that was known as
a: You guessed it – A Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40

God is not Great

August 17th, 2010
10:39 am

I wish we could ban Muslims and Christians from planet Earth, Lennon was spot on with his “Imagine” lyrics…

Ezra

August 17th, 2010
10:40 am

Someone may have said they dont have the right to build a religious structure near ground zero. However, nealy everyone knows they have the right in accordance with the laws and constitution. So let them build it. Soon afterward the community will have thousands of muslims in the area. Sharia law will be demanded. Violence will appear. Honor killings will continue and increase. And the democrats will be out of power. All this burden will fall upon GOP leadeship to resolve with the constant obstruction by the left. The only person who suffers are the children of our forefathers.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:40 am

You Asked wrote:

Upon Further Review- One Jewish group in Manhattan collected 10,000 signatures in support of the Mosque. I’m sure there are more but that’s where you can start counting.
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*** Source?

And how do we know that there were 10,000 JEWISH signatures?
______________________________

You Asked wrote:

Heh.. They weren’t 10,000 Jewish signatures. They were signature collected by a Jewish group. I will refrain from making a crack about your reading comprehension.

Google JStreet 10000 mosque and you will find several sources for that number.
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*** My reading comprehension is just fine, thanks. But your memory needs some tweaking.

If you recall, I challenged CT on her assertion that “many Jews” supported the mosque near Ground Zero. I asked HOW MANY Jews, and what was the source of her claim.

Your response about a Jewish group collecting 10,000 signatures does NOT answer my question. I didn’t ask, “How many signatures in favor of the mosque have been collected by Jews?” … I asked, “How many Jews support a mosque near Ground Zero?”

See the difference? I’m still waiting for CT to define “many Jews” and give us a source for her assertion.

Gator Joe

August 17th, 2010
10:41 am

Cynthia,
Once again, the Right Wing, aided by its Right Wing propaganda arm, Fox news, has managed to turn a phony non-issue into the appearance of an issue. Today’s Right Wing will ignore, or worse, manipulate the Constitution for their short-term political aims. They also will repeat lies and falsehoods to further their political aims. The first Amendment is clearly on the side of the Muslims wishing to build their community center, and would be so even if the center were to be built accross the street from Ground Zero, which it clearly is not. For the record, the correct one, it is not a mosque, it is not at Ground Zero, and the Muslim citizens wishing to build a community center are withing their Constitutional and moral rights to do so.

PS
This phony issue is brought to us by the makers of “Death Panels” and the “Iraq War”.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:41 am

@DK – What would happen if a Rib Shack is built next door to the Mosque? I wonder if the Rib Shack would get their permit approved….
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It would get approved then go out of business within a month of opening because of the stupid decision to place it in a neighborhood with a large population of Jews and Muslims who don’t eat pork.

Someone already threatened to put a gay bar there. Equally stupid.

Billybob

August 17th, 2010
10:41 am

How about some responses Tucker…..you pen hate and then run and hide…..typical and it shows you are not a SERIOUS person. I try to give you the benfit of the doubt, but I’ve grown tired of your ’strong black woman’ racist attitude……I’ll leave you with this….’those that can, do, those that can’t, write about it’…..I wonder which side you fall on……hmmmmmm

Drifter

August 17th, 2010
10:42 am

No, the Democrats are not reducing the deficit now, but they still might. The Republicans won’t…or haven’t since WW II.

Crazy Cons

August 17th, 2010
10:42 am

Those Crazy Cons are at it again! (Can the home of a birther be called a “birther’s crib”?

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
10:43 am

DK
August 17th, 2010
10:39 am

A rib shack to the left of the mosque, a synagogue to the right of the mosque, a stip club directly across the street, and a bomb making factory just behind it (they have to have at least ONE thing to make the community center appealing).

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
10:43 am

What’s important. were you describing George Carlin or George W. Bush. like Jose, you can come sit on my lap and I’ll tell you a story. but first, grab a dictionary and look up thw word irony. as an American, I have the right to worship and venerate whomever I choose, and I put more value in Carlin’s books than the Q’ran or the Bible. sticks and stones, amigo. you want to chime in on my arguments, have at it. which brings me back to Jose.

Jose, you don’t have to cut an paste my posts. I (and other readers) know what I wrote. as I noted on Friday, I am not a “typical liberal elitist”. I cannot seem to articulate the concept of “projection” to you, but I’m going to keep trying. I know I cannot control what goes on inside Jose’s brain, but your assessment of my ideological values borders on delusional. as I noted to What’s It Matter; if anything I am a “typical neo-Carlinist.” and, with respect to the true conservatives on the bog, I do not find you “typical” of anything ideological, unless being stuck in a permanent state of childhood is an “ideology”. I have no “finger on the pulse of the country”. I am a historian by trade so I merely document what history provides. truth be told, this nation’s pulse is very weak, and it has been “sick” for many years. as far as sophmoric references to my genitalia, see my “childhood ideology” reference above. OH, and if I don’t “have a male organ” how could I have it “in your hand”? I don’t have all the answers, but I investigate all “clues.” You (and others) are most certainly “speaking for the jewish community” when you profer your ignorant “Nazi monument next the the holocaust museum” straw man argument. So, speaking of “only common sense” where do you come off “owning” the words “common sense” and where do you get the authoritu to “dictate(s) that the majority of jews would not want my example.”? I am not as “smart as you think” and thankfully I am not “as smart as you”.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:43 am

Upon Further Review- Do your own homework. There are obviously some strong Jewish supporters of the mosques right to build. Asking “how many” is a cheap debating trick which does not answer the question “is there significant Jewish support?”

Again – Google or Bing it yourself. Bring some facts into the discussion not just your biases.

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August 17th, 2010
10:43 am

getalife
August 17th, 2010
10:25 am

I’m not here.

You’d welch too.

Fool me once………
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Figured you would back down, once exsposed

Libertarian

August 17th, 2010
10:43 am

Food for thought: Affirmative Action is discrimination based on race (violation of 1st amendment) but it generally discriminates against white males…and most liberals are perfectly fine with affirmative action. Not allowing the mosque would discriminate against Muslims…so liberals are in an uproar. Seems a bit hypocritical.

kayaker 71

August 17th, 2010
10:44 am

Johnny Reb,

Best post of the day.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
10:47 am

Upon Further Review
August 17th, 2010
10:40 am

“I’m still waiting for CT to define “many Jews” and give us a source for her assertion.”

She will probably talk with her “many” white friends before getting back to you.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:48 am

Best post of the day.
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…but how exactly does it negate the constitutional rights of the Cordoba project developers again? I just can’t make that link for some reason?

Just call me a true constitution lovin’ conservative that equates the inspired law of the land with the right thing to do.

candi

August 17th, 2010
10:48 am

Jose, The Grand Old Party IS the Republican Party. Surely you’re not that ignorant.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
10:48 am

Lennon wrote some great songs but other than that he was a two faced Judas.

Contractor

August 17th, 2010
10:49 am

neo-Carlinist,

You’re such a badass. Fear doesn’t govern you, so what does, the media?. Well lets take a look at what your president has whiffed at thus far. Everything he has pretty much said he was going to do, with the exception of his Healthcare reform which no one else wanted. Fold your hand and get a grip man.

kayaker 71

August 17th, 2010
10:49 am

To quote Achmed, the Dead Terrorist, “SILENCE, I KILL YOU!!!!!!

DK

August 17th, 2010
10:49 am

You Asked- Ummm….thanks for calling my idea stupid, but a quick google search showed over 6 BBQ restaurants around the WTC and several wing places…

So, I guess there is demand for BBQ!

And you missed the point completely….

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
10:51 am

We’re ok with driving Japanese cars, aren’t we.

true, but we peaceful Christians had better refudiate the practice of parking VWs within two blocks of any Jewish community center.

(Doesn’t it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland?)

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:51 am

John K wrote:

“That’s because the same First Amendment that allows Muslims to try to open a mosque near Ground Zero also gives American citizens the right to speak out against it, protest it, and oppose it on any and all legal grounds at their disposal.”

And as much as you whine, no one has said you don’t have the right to protest/speak out.

That was an awful lot for you to write just so you could play the victim card.
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*** To use one of your expressions: “Ah, projection. The tool of the tool of the small-minded.”

Sheesh, John, who said I was writing about myself?

And what emotional word(s) do you see in my factual statement about the First Amendment that would suggest that I was whining?

Come on, John ol’ buddy. Sure I called you out for grossly mischaracterizing my argument … but is that any reason to go schoolyard on me?

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:52 am

Oops, pardon my computer. Make that:

*** To use one of your expressions: “Ah, projection. The tool of the small-minded.”

John

August 17th, 2010
10:52 am

“Someone may have said they dont have the right to build a religious structure near ground zero. However, nealy everyone knows they have the right in accordance with the laws and constitution. So let them build it. Soon afterward the community will have thousands of muslims in the area. Sharia law will be demanded. Violence will appear. Honor killings will continue and increase. And the democrats will be out of power. All this burden will fall upon GOP leadeship to resolve with the constant obstruction by the left. The only person who suffers are the children of our forefathers.”

Ezra, if you believe that then pressure the GOP to repeal the 1st amendment. If all the fear bs the GOP is feeding you, then don’t you think they would have called for the repeal of the 1st amendment already. Are there any other amendments we should repeal besides the 1st and 14th amendments you think should be repealed due to insane fears?

getalife

August 17th, 2010
10:52 am

I’m way out there,

No con.

I never back down but learned not to bet with cons because they welch.

candi

August 17th, 2010
10:52 am

I’m Here, Huh?????

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
10:53 am

candi

2nd time! What made you a racists?

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
10:54 am

Not that anyone asked, but I am just as peeved at Harry Reid’s spinelessness as I am encouraged by the efforts of some on the right (Josh Barro at the National Review being a notable example) to speak responsibly on this matter.

And with that, I’ll let Mr. Barro do the rest of the talking, to make a point I was trying to make earlier:

As an aside, I think that some of the concern over this mosque, especially among people who do not live in New York City, is based on a misunderstanding of the geography of Lower Manhattan. This is an area that had significant high-rise development before New York imposed setback requirements and floor-area ratio maximums (limits on how many square feet of building you can put on a lot). As a result, the area is denser and more canyon-like than Midtown.

This means you can be two blocks away from something without any sense that you’re near it. City Hall is four blocks from Ground Zero, but you’d never stand there and think “I’m right near Ground Zero.” There is even a strip club three blocks south of Ground Zero, but nobody seems to have noticed that it is sullying the memory of the place.

In most cities, including Washington, 13 stories constitute a very tall building. But in the environment of Lower Manhattan, Cordoba House will be just another structure—which is not exactly consistent with the view that it is a Towering Monument to Jihad. In short, people are overestimating the extent to which this building will interact with, or be noticeable from, the World Trade Center site.

And this brings us to why I disagree not only with those who would use the power of government to stop the mosque, but also with the NR editors and others who urge private anti-mosque action. In general, my presumption is that it’s OK for people to build what they want on their property, with the burden on opponents to show why that’s such a bad thing. The proper question is not “Why here?” but “Why not here?”

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:55 am

The 2000 Census shows Jews (ethnicity) as a population group in Manhattan at 20%. Their population is concentrated in lower Manhattan. Only Catholics are larger at 37%.

A Rasmussin(sp?) poll from a few days ago showed that residents of lower Manhattan favored the mosque at a rate of 70%.

Without a census of Jews opinions on the Mosque (again do your own homework if you want to find statistics that no one has polled for) the population and poll numbers indicate there must be a significant population of Jews that support the mosque unless there is an unusually high support rate among Catholics and Protestants.

Additional evidence is a series of public statements like the one from Jstreet made by Jewish community and political groups in support of the mosque and even in opposition to the ADLs earlier statements.

In short – Cynthia is correct that there is widespread Jewish support.

I still think the bigotry is more than a Republican problem and don’t know why she would frame this as a purely partisan issue.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
10:56 am

Johnny Reb @ 10:39…So, what’s your point?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:56 am

@Candi – “Surely you’re not that ignorant.”
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You don’t blog much do you?

Harry Callahan

August 17th, 2010
10:56 am

I’m still waiting on Cynthia to share her opinion of Muslim position on women’s right’s, human rights in general, etc. You know what’s really ironic here? These libs falling all over themselves to welcome a group of people who think anyone not like them (i.e. not Muslim) is not even human…

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
10:56 am

Contractor, there you go with the projection. I never said I was a “badass”. I said I will not be governed by fear. I am and American and Barrack Obama is the POTUS, but he is not “my president”. I didn’t vote for him. this issue is not about YOU, ME, the POTUS or 9/11 families. it is about the first amendment and the distinction between al qeada/terrorists and Islam.

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August 17th, 2010
10:56 am

getalife
August 17th, 2010
10:52 am

I’m way out there,

No con.

I never back down but learned not to bet with cons because they welch.
___________________________________________________________

BS! Either you don’t believe your BS or you have no $$$$$$. A third party holding the funds insures we both pay. Try another excuse.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
10:57 am

Enter your comments here

TnGelding

August 17th, 2010
10:57 am

Because they’re bigots? This is a Christian country, you know.

Grand Old Purveyors of fear.

The proposed mosque is only NEAR ground zero. But why build anything when it’s so easy to tear down and destroy? Who or what group will be the next sacrificial lamb?

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
10:57 am

You Asked wrote:

Upon Further Review- Do your own homework. There are obviously some strong Jewish supporters of the mosques right to build. Asking “how many” is a cheap debating trick which does not answer the question “is there significant Jewish support?”

Again – Google or Bing it yourself. Bring some facts into the discussion not just your biases.
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*** Whoa … lighten up, bro!

Are you seriously arguing that it’s a “cheap debating trick” to ask CT what she means by a vague statement like “many Jews” support the mosque … and to ask her for the source of that assertion?

If so, then I guess you believe it would be a cheap debating trick to question my accuracy if I said that “many in the Obama administration believe Obama is a Marxist.”

Come off it — it’s not my homework to do. Anytime you make a vague claim, you should at least be able to back it up … especially when you’re a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist.

JohnnyReb

August 17th, 2010
10:58 am

Thanks Kayaker 71. I think I will quit while ahead, at least ahead in my mind. Work Calls. Regards.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
10:58 am

DK – I didn’t miss your point. You suggest putting a BBQ place next to a mosque in order to offend the people who’s religion offends you. Cute.

The last time I checked doing the right thing and doing the legal thing was not based on tit-for-tat or infantile stunts.

John K

August 17th, 2010
10:59 am

“Come on, John ol’ buddy. Sure I called you out for grossly mischaracterizing my argument … but is that any reason to go schoolyard on me?”

You’re the one who had to make the point people had a right to protest. And I’m not really mis-characterizing your argument because there’s really not much of an argument to begin with. Just platitudes of “but it’s not right!”

getalife

August 17th, 2010
10:59 am

Oops,

way out there,

No welcher.

std,

Joe S and another gop guest agreed with the President.

Said the gop would take their card.

Joe said “screw em”.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
11:02 am

Upon Further Review – see my 10:55am

I’m not a huge CT fan but in this case her assertion was correct. If you want to call someone out on their statements it is up to you to do your homework.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
11:04 am

C Tucker, the race baiter

“I’m still waiting for CT to define “many Jews” and give us a source for her assertion.”

She will probably talk with her “many” white friends before getting back to you.
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*** And now I have You Asked telling me that it’s a “cheap debating trick” to ask CT what she meant by “many Jews.”

Note to self: “Demanding specifics and documentation is a cheap debating trick.”

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
11:05 am

getalife

You seem to take your excuses from Obama. Chicken shyt!

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
11:06 am

Obama knows he’s a welcher too?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
11:07 am

Upon Further Review – Note to self: “Demanding specifics and documentation is a cheap debating trick.”
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Prove its not and address the statistics I provided on the Jewish Population in Manhattan vis a vis the broad support for the Mosque in Manhattan. Those same polls indicate that there is also broad support among Catholics and Protestants.

Asking for specifics and proof that is hard to find while refusing to provide your own evidence is a “cheap debating trick” used by talk show hosts (libs and cons) all the time.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:07 am

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
11:06 am

No, no, no. Obama is not welch. He’s a Kenyan.

Reggie

August 17th, 2010
11:08 am

A lot of politicizing with no thought on “following the money”- may be helpful for formulating an opinion

straitroad

August 17th, 2010
11:08 am

Cynt,

You must have a great collection of polaroids of Cox Communications management in compromising situations. Hold on to them and you’ll keep your job no matter how silly your rants get.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
11:08 am

You Asked

I’m not a huge CT fan but in this case her assertion was correct. If you want to call someone out on their statements it is up to you to do your homework.
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*** Sorry, I respectfully disagree. Again, if I were to say, “Most Democrats oppose ObamaCare,” you have every right to say, “Prove it.”

It wouldn’t be YOUR job to search the Internet for proof to the contrary — it would be MY job to either say, “That’s according to a (BLANK) poll published last Friday in the (BLANK)” … or concede that I had no basis for making such an assertion.

Harry Callahan

August 17th, 2010
11:08 am

Liberals are so funny…high scholl football players can’t have a prayer before a game, but Muslims (led by an Imam who refuses to characterize Hamas as a terrorist group) can build a mosque at ground zero…LMAO at you fools…

DK

August 17th, 2010
11:09 am

You Asked wrote- DK – “I didn’t miss your point. You suggest putting a BBQ place next to a mosque in order to offend the people who’s religion offends you. Cute.

The last time I checked doing the right thing and doing the legal thing was not based on tit-for-tat or infantile stunts.”

You did miss my point…but I am hear to clarify.

First, you assumption that I am “offended” by their religion is false, but I guess name calling and accusing people is all you got.

Second- its not an infantile stunt, it’s a question if the Mosque supporters would allow for a legal business to operate next door. Instead of BBQ, what if it’s a Victoria Secret instead? Would the Mosque be up in arms?

John

August 17th, 2010
11:09 am

“I still think the bigotry is more than a Republican problem and don’t know why she would frame this as a purely partisan issue.”

This whole issue was perpetrated by Republicans. It was peacefully going through the permitting process based on the local laws and ordinances which as you pointed out majority of the residents there supported it. This is a states’ rights issue, which Republicans claim to support. A right wing conservative blogger blogged about it, changing the story from “a cultural center which includes a Mosque being built near Ground Zero” to “a Mosque being built at Ground Zero”. It was picked up and escalated by Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich. The story exploded from there. Now we find ourselves in this mess. Had Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich stayed out of it and let New York City follow their local laws, this would have been a quiet non-issue.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
11:10 am

Nope.

Obama’s a better American than you (a welcher) could ever hope to be.

Cynthia Tucker is a racist.

August 17th, 2010
11:10 am

WAR,

You’re wrong. Islam started after Judaism and Christianity. Judaism is the oldest, then Christianity, then Islam.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
11:10 am

100 posts later and still no response to why this is the right thing to do…

Let’s try again for those who claim the Mosque while legal is the “wrong thing to do”.

To answer the question “is it right” for them to want to build there? Since I cannot divine their intent by mind reading and speculation I will assume they really want to have a place to worship and meet as a community. Until someone provides evidence of nefarious motives they are just talking out of turn.

A Christian response to any perceived affront would be to welcome the center and show support so that any anger or resentment on the part of those building the center would have no place to be expressed and in the long term they it would be a demonstration of Christian love that the world could see. The bonus is that America would have the moral high ground.

A great example of this (for those of you who love to compare this to a Klan rally) is in 1964 when the Black Lincolnville neigborhood in St. Augusta Florida was marched through by the Klan. Instead of returning hate and anger the residents stood on their porches and started singing the Gospel hymn “I love everybody, I Iove everybody, I love everybody in my heart…”

The Klansmen did not find the fight they wanted and walked away embarassed and shamed.

So you tell me WWJD?

Hoghead

August 17th, 2010
11:11 am

This is just a distraction from the larger issue, which is the sinking of the U.S. economy. Distractions like this are useful to the Democrats. And GOP are fools for falling for it.

Obama is over

August 17th, 2010
11:12 am

The Wall Street Journal pointed out yesterday that at the end of WW II Pope John Paul II asked the Carmelite nuns to leave the convent they had established at Auschwitz.”He did so out of respect for what the site represented to Jews around the world. It was an act of ecumenical good faith.” The situation here is exactly the same. The point is not whether Muslims have a right to build a mosque, it simply should not be at Ground Zero out of respect for the people killed on 9-11. Interfaith relationships would be stronger if respect was shown from both sides.The bigger point here is that because Obama is so out of touch with the American public, he once again mishandled what should have been a straightforward topic- and politicized it along party lines. Obama’s inability to understand what it means to be an American is turning out to be his Achilles’ heal.

John K

August 17th, 2010
11:12 am

“So you tell me WWJD?”

Go on Fox News and tell them to “refudiate” the mosque?

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:13 am

John

August 17th, 2010
11:09 am

You mean like this? The ban on gay marriage peacefully passed through California’s election yet the lefticons keep “perpetuating” the problem.

John

August 17th, 2010
11:13 am

“Liberals are so funny…high scholl football players can’t have a prayer before a game, but Muslims (led by an Imam who refuses to characterize Hamas as a terrorist group) can build a mosque at ground zero…LMAO at you fools…”

It’s a cultural center that includes a Mosque and it planned on being built NEAR Ground Zero…not AT Ground Zero. Also, this Imam had the support of our last president as well…and who was that? Oh, George W. Bush, a conservative Republican.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
11:14 am

John- I know as many Republicans that are adament about the mosque having the right to be there as I do Republicans that support Palin and Pamala Geller.

But then If I make that statement Upon Further Review is going to ask me to prove it with published polls then ignore them if I provide them. (I guess Rasmussen and the US Census just aren’t good proof).

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:14 am

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
11:10 am

Enjoy yo gubment subsidies.

Harry Callahan

August 17th, 2010
11:15 am

Granny…Obama has no idea what it means to be an American…apparently neither do you.

Shawny

August 17th, 2010
11:15 am

I am sure this has been posted already, but in case it hasn’t, here it is. Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Harry Reid:

“The First Amendment protects freedom of religion,” Manley said. “Sen. Reid respects that but thinks that the mosque should be built someplace else.”

Ok, now exit your high horse as it trots to political correctness.

Mallory

August 17th, 2010
11:16 am

What has happened to the leader of the Democratic Party? when he seeks to appoint empathetic justices (Sotomayor) to the SC but cannot bring himself to empathize with the victims of 9/11?

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
11:16 am

BS! Either you don’t believe your BS or you have no $$$$$$. A third party holding the funds insures we both pay. Try another excuse.

Without getting into this silly urination match, I will say that I have seen approximately 37 thousand offers (threats?) to wager real money on the internets without any actual cash ever being exchanged. Sound and fury, signifyin’ squat.

If you want to make a meaningful wager, you offer to cease and desist posting for a certain amount of time, or engage in some other form of online subservience.

As for actually wagering – sorry, “investing” — on the outcomes of political matters, that’s what Intrade dot com is for.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
11:17 am

JohnnyReb,

between 1996 and 1998, terrorist bombings at Centennial Olympic Park, office buildings housing (not exclusively) two abortion clinics and a gay nightclub killed four Americans and wounded over 100. the bombings were executed by:

A – a fundamentalist Muslim radical
B – Richard Jewell
C – a white, former member of the U.S. Army’s 101st Airborn Division and self-described Christian

Om April 19, 1994, a terrorist detonated a IED in front of the Alfred Murrow Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 Americans including 19 children. In his “farewell letter” the terrorist claimed to “be at peace with my God”. the terrorist was:

A – a fundamentalist Muslim performing Jihad
B – I Viet Cong sapper who didn’t realize the war ended in 1975
C – a white, Christian, American, Gulf War veteran

On November 22, 1963, the President of the United States was assassinated in Dealy Plaza, Dallas, TX. the Dallas Police Department arrested Lee Harvey Oswald within hours. Osawald was accused of being the loan gunman, but was gunned down while in police custody. Oswald was:

A – a fundamentalist Muslim terrorist
B – a CIA-KGB double agent
C – a white, American born former member of the United States Marine Corps.

On November 19, 2005 15 Iraqi civilians were gunned down on the streets of Hadaith in Iraq’s Anbar province. the gunmen were:

A – radical Islamist insurgents
B – al qeada Iraq terrorists
C – eight members of the 3rd Battalian 1st Marines, operating as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Want me to continue?

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August 17th, 2010
11:17 am

ctucker,

Your gay voters got shafted again.

Gay couples who had been gearing up to get married in California this week had to put their wedding plans on hold once again after a federal appeals court said it first wanted to consider the constitutionality of the state’s same-sex marriage ban.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
11:17 am

Without getting into this silly urination match…
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Don’t look now but your shoes are already wet. ;-)

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
11:17 am

You Asked wrote:

Prove its not and address the statistics I provided on the Jewish Population in Manhattan vis a vis the broad support for the Mosque in Manhattan.
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*** As you wish.

You said, “A Rasmussin(sp?) poll from a few days ago showed that residents of lower Manhattan favored the mosque at a rate of 70%.”

I can find no such Rasmussen poll that says anything close to that.

However, I do find Rasmussen polls that say the following:

1. “Just 20% of Americans favor the building of an Islamic mosque near the Ground Zero site of the World Trade Center in New York City … 54% oppose (it).” [July 22 poll]

2. “Most voters in New York (58%) oppose the building of an Islamic mosque near Ground Zero in New York City.” [July 23 poll]

If you can find a Rasmussen poll that says 70% of Lower Manhattan residents support the mosque, I’ll be happy to look at it.

Otherwise, I’ll consider this the successful completion of your “prove it is not” challenge.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
11:18 am

type much? Alfred Murrah Building

HDB

August 17th, 2010
11:19 am

Libertarian August 17th, 2010
10:43 am
“Food for thought: Affirmative Action is discrimination based on race (violation of 1st amendment) but it generally discriminates against white males…and most liberals are perfectly fine with affirmative action.”

FALSE!! Affirmative Action was created to grant access to those who had been historically denied similar access to employment. What you fail to note is that the greatest benefactor of Affirmative Action has been WHITE WOMEN!!

” Not allowing the mosque would discriminate against Muslims…so liberals are in an uproar. Seems a bit hypocritical.”

Another FALSE statement: The uproar is coming from the conservatives who practice hypocracy as a rite-of-passage! Note the Constitutional principles that conservatives wish to overrule because of their hypocracy! Note those who are calling for the same…..the same cast of hypocrites that rail against anything that does not amplify their beliefs!! They are screaming….”it’s not right”…but how many times do they practice what IS right???

Harry Callahan

August 17th, 2010
11:20 am

Carlinist…you equate Christians to Muslims? Really? Did Christians dance in the street and celebrate the events you described above, like the Muslim world celebrates their transgressions? You are truly clueless.

AmVet

August 17th, 2010
11:20 am

As long as American Jews keep voting *overwhelmingly* against you fake conservatives, that is a great thing.

We’ll take your money, but we ain’t voting for you drama queens…

iron sheik

August 17th, 2010
11:21 am

So, GW can invade a Muslim Country with his Christian army based upon a lie (wmd) and build the World’s largest military base in Baghdad and that’s copasetic-but a community center 2 blocks from ground zero-oh!, forgetaboutit……

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
11:22 am

You Asked wrote:

But then If I make that statement Upon Further Review is going to ask me to prove it with published polls then ignore them if I provide them. (I guess Rasmussen and the US Census just aren’t good proof).
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*** Au contraire, mon ami. Rasmussen is good proof — IF you can actually find a Rasmussen poll that says what you claim.

And I’m still waiting for you to show me the Rasmussen poll that says 70% of all Lower Manhattan residents support the mosque.

John

August 17th, 2010
11:22 am

“You mean like this? The ban on gay marriage peacefully passed through California’s election yet the lefticons keep “perpetuating” the problem.”

The difference, C Tucker, the race baiter…is something called the US Constitution. As we have seen throughout our history, rights are not up for a vote. Since you want to try to make a comparison, tell me…should we ignore the 1st amendment and vote on which religions we would allow in the US and let the majority rule? What about bringing up to a vote the right to free speech? If the majority votes to do away with this blog…so be it.

Harry Callahan

August 17th, 2010
11:22 am

AmVet…is your trailer parked next to Granny’s?

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:23 am

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
11:17 am

Deal Muzzlim,

Please refer to just one instance where a Christian strapped a bomb to the body of a a mentally handicapped girl and sent her in to a puble place, then detonate the bomb. If you can, then please respond. If you can’t, then stop with the juvenile posts.

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
11:24 am

Excuse me not Rasmussen – it was Marist poll last week that did the poll and showed only 16% of Mnahattan residents opposing the Mosque. While a broader poll of New Yorkers found broader opposition the people living in the neighborhood that the mosque would be built in support it or are neutral to it.

There’s your numbers.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:24 am

AmVet

August 17th, 2010
11:20 am

“We”? I didn’t know you’re Jewish>

John

August 17th, 2010
11:25 am

“Granny…Obama has no idea what it means to be an American…apparently neither do you.”

Harry Callahan, then tell us what it means to be an American? What is your definition and how does Granny and Obama not fit into your definition?

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
11:26 am

Harry Callahan

Trailer Jokes?

Bet that makes you guffaw.

AmVet

August 17th, 2010
11:26 am

No punk, it’s next to Rabbi Gofyourself.

You son, are a walking Demotivation Poster – Consistency. It’s only a virtue when you’re not a screw up.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:27 am

John

August 17th, 2010
11:22 am

Elitist John, since you like to wave the Constitution like a woman waves a hanky at an Elvis concert, please tell me where the Constitution approves gay marriage? Do you not find it slightly amusing that the judge who ruled against what the majority of Californians approved is gay? Conflict of interest perhaps?

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
11:27 am

Upon Further Review – I addressed your point and corrected my error that it was a Marist poll of Manhattanites not Rasmussen. Can you address the broader issue of support as evidenced by Jstreet and other Jewish groups coming out in opposition of the ADL statement and supporting the mosque?

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:27 am

AmVet

August 17th, 2010
11:26 am

Way to stay classy, maam.

AmVet

August 17th, 2010
11:28 am

Mystery meat, it’s likely that the number of things you do not know, would fill the Encyclopedia Brittanica…

You Asked

August 17th, 2010
11:29 am

Bye Bye – gotta get to work.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
11:29 am

I went to the Cordoba House website and read their Vision and Mission statements…

I suggest you all go and learn what they are.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
11:30 am

Democrats and political analysts took the measure of the fallout from President Obama’s support for the ground zero mosque on Monday, saying it will further complicate Democrats’ efforts to maintain control of Congress in November.

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
11:30 am

Once again the so called leader of this country bent over, because he has no spine. His speech Friday started out fine but when it came time to say you should building it elsewhere he did not. Once again turning his back on what the majority of Americans want. When is this pendaho going to see the light?

Zedd

August 17th, 2010
11:31 am

Cythina, you truly are a piece! You and you liberal friends are trying to make this about freedom of religion. The GOP, and may I add some Democrats as well that you neglected to mention, are opposed to the location of the proposed mosque only, not their freedom to worship. You liberals are always demanding political correctness and such, but you paint yourself as un-patriotic when you are willing to over look the way the vast majority of Americans feel about this for some Muslims. The events of 9-11 and those that died should never be forgotten or their memories and sacrifices cheapened by erecting some Mosque nearby. These victims and those grounds should be treated with as much respect, honor, and dignity as a fallen soldier. It’s no secret that the Muslim doctrination is to overtake the world as the dominant religion by whatever means necessary. Some say that could be as early as 2050. If political correctness is forced on us, why shouldn’t it apply to Muslims in this country as well? Where is your patriotic sympathy? You call yourself an American, I call you something much worse!

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
11:32 am

Harry, I was a high school football player (private school) and we prayed before an after every game. that said, please direct me to the Constitutional amendment concerning the “rights” of High School Football players. I know you neo-cons are sticklers for strict interpretation of the Constitution. Plus, football is a socialist game. players do all the work, but coaches “control the means of production and distribution”.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
11:32 am

granny godzilla
August 17th, 2010
11:29 am

I went to the Cordoba House website and read their Vision and Mission statements…

I suggest you all go and learn what they are.
______________________________________________________________

And you believe everything post on the site. MNGL, the kook-aid needs some ICE!

Avenger

August 17th, 2010
11:33 am

kayaker. “So let’s dress up a platoon of men in Reb uniforms, place them on horses, supply them with the Stars and Bars and march them through Clayton County on the way to downtown Atlanta. When they reach downtown Atlanta, they can meet up with the Atlanta Chapter of the KKK and have a rally. ” The stars & bars, reb. uniforms, and the kkk have a little back drop of evil bigotry,lynchings, and a few deaths (approximately 600,000). Double talkers “loved” to talk about the greatness of the constitution unless it contain some little (freedom) that they don’t like. Double talkers don’t give a rat,s tail about offending others. We got more confederate relics around than you can shake a stick at. Heck – several years ago we built a six billion dollar ($6,000,000,000) air craft carrier and named it after one of the biggest bigots (Carl Vinson) of America. I am an old Navy man and I did’t want one penny of my tax dollars going to honor this bigot.

Georgia Dawg

August 17th, 2010
11:33 am

Cynthia, you need to move back to Atlanta, the City needs your tax money to pay the court judgements against them for all the misdeeds and shams put forth by the great administrations of Jackson,Young,Campbell and Franklin ( helped by Chief Pennington ) over the last 25 years. Also you could be the only one left in the city that can spell now that the Atlanta Schools are turning out more cheaters than grads but hey, all the above ( still living ) got to leave with a big city pension and their name on a street or building.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
11:33 am

neo-Carlinist wrote:

Want me to continue?
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*** The better question is: During the past decade, which of the earth’s religions is responsible for the most murders and violence committed in the name of their god?

Your individual examples of violence by assorted wackos and misfits aren’t all that relevant, especially when they pertain to people who just happen to belong to various racial or religious groups but do not claim to act on behalf of those groups.

For example, Timothy McVeigh didn’t say he was killing on behalf of Jesus Christ … in fact, he described himself as a lapsed Catholic. So his religion is no more relevant than the fact that he may have been a former Cub Scout or a former member of the R/C Airplane Enthusiasts Club.

But it’s child’s play to find examples of Islamic terrorism committed in the name of Allah.

John

August 17th, 2010
11:33 am

“Elitist John, since you like to wave the Constitution like a woman waves a hanky at an Elvis concert, please tell me where the Constitution approves gay marriage? Do you not find it slightly amusing that the judge who ruled against what the majority of Californians approved is gay? Conflict of interest perhaps?”

C Tucker, the race baiter…read the judge’s ruling, it’s the 14th amendment. The supreme court and upheld many times that marriage is protected under the 14th. Conflict of interest? First of all, the judge has never claimed nor denied that he’s gay. Secondly, would a heterosexual married man or woman be a conflict of interest? Would that also mean women should not rule on cases of abortion or other women’s issues, etc.?

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
11:35 am

welchers even afraid to just read ……

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:35 am

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
11:32 am

where are the rights of gays mentioned in the Constitution.

Grumpy

August 17th, 2010
11:35 am

Give it up folks. Once you get past about 100 comments, Ms. Tucker quits reading and moves on to her next “poke the bear” column.

p.s. I guess Harry Reid is now part of the McCarthy wing of the Republican Party too.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:35 am

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
11:35 am

and Kenyans afraid to lead….

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
11:37 am

neo-Carlinist;
All I can say is OMG are you lost. Really, football. Since BO has taken over 3 million jobs have been lost and he is doing nothing to stimulate the job market to regain them. Now that’s more of a socialistic trend than football

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:38 am

John

August 17th, 2010
11:33 am

You brought up abortion while addressing the Constitution. Remember, abortion was never voted on. Instead, the judicial branch “interpreted” what the Constitution meant. Therefore, the Constitution is open to intrepretation. Make it mean what you want, right?

John

August 17th, 2010
11:40 am

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. ”

C Tucker, the race baiter …here is the 14th amendment. Are you trying to say gay people born or naturalized in the United States are not American citizens?

getalife

August 17th, 2010
11:41 am

The cons want to send them to camps like the Japanese Americans so this is as good as it gets for them.

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
11:41 am

granny godzilla
August 17th, 2010
11:35 am

welchers even afraid to just read …

No sense wasting time reading propaganda. The cleaners called, your burqa is ready for pickup

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:41 am

John

August 17th, 2010
11:40 am

And that has exactly what to do with gay marriage?

Lots of hate

August 17th, 2010
11:43 am

on this blog, mainly from the left

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
11:44 am

getalife
August 17th, 2010
11:41 am

The cons want to send them to camps like the Japanese Americans so this is as good as it gets for them.

No Rep. John Lewis wants to send them to that little island so it will sink

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
11:45 am

You Asked wrote:

Excuse me not Rasmussen – it was Marist poll last week that did the poll and showed only 16% of Mnahattan residents opposing the Mosque.
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*** Sorry, but I’m going to have to call B.S. on this claim, too … as well as your assertion that a significant number of Jews support the mosque.

Here’s what I find from a Wall Street Journal article of Aug. 11 (titled “Bloomberg’s Rating Drops”) … feel free to Google it:

“The mayor’s approval rating declined in most categories of voters versus the last Marist poll, in April. The drop was particularly steep among Jewish voters, the overwhelming majority of whom oppose the mosque. The rating among Jews—historically a bloc of robust support—fell 15 percentage points to 58%. ‘The difference is significant,’ said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist poll.

“According to the [Marist] poll, which surveyed 696 registered voters, 53% of city voters oppose constructing the center near Ground Zero, while 34% favor its development and 13% are unsure. One in five Jewish voters said they supported the mosque, while more than 70% opposed the project, according to the poll.”

This from Real Clear Politics regarding the same poll: “A nearly identical 50% say that building such a structure ‘offends the memory of the 9/11 victims and their families.’ Thirty-four percent say the project will ‘help people better understand the teachings of Islam and the Muslim religion.’”

Unless you have some kind of documentation to the contrary, I call that “checkmate.”

B. Morris

August 17th, 2010
11:46 am

Americans are exercising their first amendment rights, and for that, the left excoriates them.

An imam of questionable allegiance is exercising his first amendment rights, and for that, the left celebrates him.

HDB

August 17th, 2010
11:46 am

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:27 am
John

August 17th, 2010
11:22 am

Elitist John, since you like to wave the Constitution like a woman waves a hanky at an Elvis concert, please tell me where the Constitution approves gay marriage? Do you not find it slightly amusing that the judge who ruled against what the majority of Californians approved is gay? Conflict of interest perhaps?
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I’ll take that one: look for the basis in the 14th Amendment: No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Add the 9th: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Since marriage is a contract based in both legal and moral principles, equal protection for all parties is paramount. It does NOT restrict as of sexual preference!! The right to choose a marital partner can not be disparaged or denied to ANYONE!! The judge ruled on the basis of law!!!

Were you just as disparaging at the judge who lfted the moratorium on drilling in the Gulf….and he is a stockholder in the oil companies?? Isn’t THAT a greater conflict-of-interest??

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
11:46 am

No Rep. John Lewis wants to send them to that little island so it will sink

John Lewis, Hank Johnson, whatever–hey, all them ni*CLANG!* Congressmen look alike, right?

sheesh.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
11:46 am

Harry, I don’t personally “equate Christians to Muslims” because as you know, I think ALL zealots are fools, which I guess means I find both groups to be equally foolish, BUT this is not about me; it’s about the First Amendment and the 14th (equal protection). SO, if you have a beef, or want to change the rules, write your congressman, let’s convene a Constitutional Convention and fix this mess.

Lil' Barry Bailout

August 17th, 2010
11:46 am

If this had happened a couple of years ago, CT would have posted an item titled “Bush Economy Kills Kids”:
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Sheriff Larry Williams said 29-year-old Shaquan Duley told investigators she was distraught about money troubles and unemployment and that she killed her children by putting her hand over their mouths

How’s that “Recovery Summer” working out?

getalife

August 17th, 2010
11:46 am

Asleep at the switch,

I think that was RW’s rep.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:47 am

B. Morris

August 17th, 2010
11:46 am

I believe the final decision on this issue will be well know after November’s election.

Mike K

August 17th, 2010
11:47 am

@John
“We’re ok with driving Japanese cars, aren’t we?”

Yes – and we’re okay with Muslims building mosques – just not at the site of an attack against Americans that was motivated by Islamic extremism. Sheesh it’s totally different.

As I said, this mosque is akin to building a German heritage museum at Aushwitz or a Japanese heritage museum at Pearl Harbor, because it celebrates the ideology that inspired a massacre at the site of the massacre. Not all Germans or Japanese are bad people and very few of them today would support what their governments did back in the 30’s, but most people would still find it offensive for them to build memorials to their national heritages at the sites where they committed atrocities that were inspired by a belief in the superiority of those national heritages. The Cordoba initiative is a proposal to build a mosque and a community center near the site of a massacre inspired by the belief that Islam is superior to other religions (and that it should politically dominate the world). That’s why it’s offensive. This isn’t rocket science.

Mind you, Muslims have a right to build the mosque (as the President pointlessly lectured), but it’s offensive to choose to build a mosque called the “Cordoba initiative”, of all things, near to Ground Zero. If this Imam truly wanted to encourage interfaith harmony, then he would choose another location (and another name) for his mosque.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
11:48 am

C Tucker, the race baiter wrote:

John

You brought up abortion while addressing the Constitution. Remember, abortion was never voted on. Instead, the judicial branch “interpreted” what the Constitution meant. Therefore, the Constitution is open to intrepretation. Make it mean what you want, right?
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*** GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
11:48 am

The bigger point here is that because Obama is so out of touch with the American public, he once again mishandled what should have been a straightforward topic- and politicized it along party lines. Obama’s inability to understand what it means to be an American is turning out to be his Achilles’ heal.

It’s amazing how the “right’ have these short term memories. Obama didn’t bring this out into and into the news…..Palin, Fox, et al did. How “right” of the “right” to have conveniently forgotten that part.

The GOP, and may I add some Democrats as well that you neglected to mention, are opposed to the location of the proposed mosque only, not their freedom to worship.

You speak with forked tongue. You say it’s okay that they have their mosque but wrong for where they plan to build it, (which, as everyone knows, is no where NEAR ground zero), and that in no way infringes upon their freedom when you know that’s not true. What’s the point in having the “freedom” to worship your religion if you can only do it where you’re told to do it? Do Christians have those same restrictions?

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
11:50 am

disregard anything i post because i am a moron.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
11:50 am

Mike K.

There is one overcrowded mosque four blocks away.

Is that too close too?

What about the strip club one block away?

Or all the Muslim owned shops on the same block?

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

August 17th, 2010
11:51 am

Geeze, are you going off deep end come back to earth!

Jason

August 17th, 2010
11:51 am

Cynthia, How much would it take for you to retire? Just go away.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
11:51 am

stands for decibels

John Lewis, Hank Johnson, whatever–hey, all them ni*CLANG!* Congressmen look alike, right?
________________________________

*** Still waiting for any credible proof that Tea Party members called Lewis and other black Congressmen the N-word.

There’s $100,000 waiting to be claimed.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
11:53 am

cons would welch on that reward.

tscali

August 17th, 2010
11:53 am

(CNN) – A proposed mosque to be built two blocks from the World Trade Center has little support nationwide, a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll suggests.

According to the new survey out Wednesday, nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the controversial plan to build the mosque just blocks away from the solemn site in lower Manhattan while just 29 percent favor the construction.

Broken down by party affiliation, 54 percent of Democrats oppose the plans while 82 percent of Republicans disapprove. Meanwhile, 70 percent of independents said they are against the proposal.

The poll also showed opposition did not vary widely by age.

“Support for the controversial project is slightly higher among younger Americans than older Americans, but even among those under the age of 50, six in ten oppose the plan,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
11:54 am

Not all Germans or Japanese are bad people and very few of them today would support what their governments did back in the 30’s, but most people would still find it offensive for them to build memorials to their national heritages at the sites where they committed atrocities that were inspired by a belief in the superiority of those national heritages.

You are mixing apples with oranges. German and Japanese AMERICANS, have the right to build a site there if they wished. German and Japanese citizens who are not Americans do not. People who are not Citizens of the country where the event took place, have no rights whatsoever in that country. We, as Americans, can not go to Berlin and build a shrine at Bradenburg gate; however Germans of American descent can.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
11:54 am

Jason
August 17th, 2010
11:51 am

No. Let her continue writing. We need to have people like Cynthia continuing to speak for the left. It makes life so much easier to be a conservative when you have people like her representing the other side.

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
11:56 am

stands for decibels
August 17th, 2010
11:46 am

No Rep. John Lewis wants to send them to that little island so it will sink

John Lewis, Hank Johnson, whatever–hey, all them ni*CLANG!* Congressmen look alike, right?

sheesh.

Sorry for the name confusion they are both dems, so what’s your point. And they are called mongrels

Avenger

August 17th, 2010
11:56 am

Kayaker. ” That scares most Americans who have half a brain and it should scare you. If not, you are part of the problem, certainly not the solution.” Why would you and Joe Reb. be scare of a few terrorists. Heck, during most of the 1800s and 1900s, America had a big terrorist group (kkk). The worst thing about this evil group was that they were backed by the government and the majority of the “American people”. So – I ask again. If the majority of Americans are against this minority, why are you afraid? Of course, I for one wouldn’t necessarily agree with the majority of the “American people”. The “American people” disregarded the constitution and was morally wrong on the biggest issue ( racism and bigotry) that America had to face.

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
11:56 am

tscali – the link is always nice to see as well, (only because there are some on this blog who inadvertently change wordings around to suit their agendas). Thanks ahead of time for the link to your article!

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
11:56 am

*** Still waiting for any credible proof that Tea Party members called Lewis and other black Congressmen the N-word.

1) Could you more thoroughly miss the point I’d made if you tried?

2) When John Lewis says “Somebody called me a ‘n!gg3r’”, you say “I’m profoundly sorry to hear that, sir.” You don’t ask for [bleep]ing video proof.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
11:57 am

Yeah, she is kicking your buts and some people can’t be bought.

Figures, you want to bribe her.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
12:00 pm

DebbieDoRight wrote:

What’s the point in having the “freedom” to worship your religion if you can only do it where you’re told to do it? Do Christians have those same restrictions?
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*** Why, yes they do.

Here are three quick examples that are a few years old, but make the point:

1. “Sponsors of the Good News Club, a private Christian organization, applied to the Milford Central School in upstate New York to use a school facility after hours. The school officials denied the group’s request, although they allowed other community organizations to use the space. The club sued the school on free-speech grounds, claiming the school discriminated against it based on its views. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Milford Central must make its facilities available for religious organizations in addition to other community groups.”

2. “In Massachusetts, the American Center for Law and Justice filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court claiming a school committee in Marion denied a religious organization access to the school cafeteria to discuss church business. ACLJ filed the suit on June 20 on behalf of Gary Taylor, pastor of the South Coast Community Church, claiming the school’s policy violates the church’s free-speech rights … (T)he school allows other organizations such as the YMCA, sports teams and other civic groups to use the facilities, the suit states.”

3. “In Texas, a pastor who was denied after-hours access to school facilities for a religious play now can do so under a settlement reached with the school district. The settlement allows a Naples church to use school space for after-hours religious purposes. Use of the facilities is governed under the same terms and conditions as other community groups, the settlement said.”

Next …

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
12:00 pm

STD

2) When John Lewis says “Somebody called me a ‘n!gg3r’”, you say “I’m profoundly sorry to hear that, sir.” You don’t ask for [bleep]ing video proof

No Lewis committed race baiting. What do you left wingnuts call it?

JackLeg

August 17th, 2010
12:00 pm

I think these wonderful peace loving Muslims should be able to kill as many infidels as they want, isn’t that right CT? CT and her ilk are so lost in space; even the few peace loving Muslims there are do not want the mosque built there, and they are going on TV to tell liberal loser why. Please look up the definition of Dhimmitude, the building of this mosque has nothing to do with building bridges it has ALL to do with subjugation of the US. Muslims build mosque at places that they have won battles or over the top of churches to show superiority. If they want to build a mosque how come the land further away from ground zero is not good enough for them? You know why, it is because this is not the site of their victory over the US infidels. I do believe that liberals get dumber every day.

jt

August 17th, 2010
12:01 pm

I really don’t care about the muslims. I recognize the REAL enemy of liberty.

Since the commies bought out our corrupt federal government, there has to be something to feed the military/industrial complex. Islam.

Regardless, Cynthia uses the term McCarthyism. I wonder if she did her homework?????????

Using new information obtained from studies of old Soviet files in Moscow and now the famous Venona Intercepts — FBI recordings of Soviet embassy communications between 1944-48 — the record is showing that McCarthy was essentially right. He had many weaknesses, but almost every case he charged has now been proven correct. Whether it was stealing atomic secrets or influencing U.S. foreign policy, communist victories in the 1940s were fed by an incredibly vast spy and influence network.

Just google it.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:01 pm

Upon Further Review,

1 – McVeigh cited his “peace with my God…” Was he referring to Allah? the God of Abraham? The Buddha?

2 – Rudolph, whom you seem to have omitted, most certainly viewed his actions as Christian.

3 – I didn’t know there was a “time limit” as far as the actions of “wacos and misfits”. OH, and in my opinion, al Qeada and ANY terrorist falls intot he “misfit” category. some are just better funded (follow the money… it begins when you fill your SUV).

MY POINT is, not every Muslim is a “wacko and misfit” and if our previous President spent more time hunting and killing “wackos and misfits” – a/k/a paying attention at August 2001 security briefings held by members of the CIA “bin Laden unit” AND less time trying to reverse engineer an invasion/occupation of Iraq, maybe 9/11 doesn’t happen.

BUT that’s all speculation, right? I mean we know 9/11 happened, but we don’t know if every Muslim on the planet was involved, so we need to condemn and sanction ALL Muslims, lest we spend the rest of our lives living in fear.

3 -

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
12:02 pm

Sheriff Larry Williams said 29-year-old Shaquan Duley told investigators she was distraught about money troubles and unemployment and that she killed her children by putting her hand over their mouths. How’s that “Recovery Summer” working out?

Anyone remember who was president when Susan Smith drowned her kids for “love”?

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:04 pm

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:01 pm

And again, please cite an instance where a Christian strapped a bomb to a mentally handicapped girl and sent her in a public place to randomly kill people all in the name of God. I’ll wait…..

JackLeg

August 17th, 2010
12:04 pm

Liberals are so stupid that liberals are like lemmings to the Muslims, they will follow them over a cliff; guess what liberals they would kill the infidel as soon as they could. And that means you

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
12:04 pm

Well, I hope the poor, can’t-catch-a-break Christians, especially the white males among them, so savagely persecuted in the United States, manage to shake off this yoke of Muslim oppression without my help.

Later, kids.

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
12:05 pm

JackLeg @ 12:00

Can they get ant dummer? How about Ole Harry Howdy Doody Reid scrambling to keep his job by disagreeing with BO on the Mosque? Why didn’t he stand up and disagree with him on his socialist agenda?

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:06 pm

stands for decibels

August 17th, 2010
12:04 pm

Well at least you shifted your blame from Bush to WASPs.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
12:06 pm

granny godzilla
August 17th, 2010
11:35 am

welchers even afraid to just read ……
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MNGL, the net is full of mis-information designed for people who believe anything. Maybe you should heat the kook-aid, cause the ICE is not working.

JackLeg

August 17th, 2010
12:06 pm

Just think how nice it will be when we are under Muslim law, then we can stone liberals legally. Happy happy joy joy

John

August 17th, 2010
12:06 pm

“Yes – and we’re okay with Muslims building mosques – just not at the site of an attack against Americans that was motivated by Islamic extremism. Sheesh it’s totally different.”

Mike K, get your facts straight…it’s not just a Mosque, it’s a cultural center which includes a Mosque and a 9/11 memorial. It’s also not being built AT Ground Zero, it’s being build NEAR Ground Zero. If you’re ok with it being build, how far away from Ground Zero would be ok with you? Keep in mind, there are Mosque already neat that area.

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
12:07 pm

STD

RUN Awaaaaaaaaaay!

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:07 pm

For any of you who watch South Park be advised:

This is a SMUG ALERT

I enjoy the smell of my own flatulence. Mmmm Mmmm Goood!

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
12:08 pm

stands for decibels

*** Still waiting for any credible proof that Tea Party members called Lewis and other black Congressmen the N-word.

2) When John Lewis says “Somebody called me a ‘n!gg3r’”, you say “I’m profoundly sorry to hear that, sir.” You don’t ask for [bleep]ing video proof.
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*** Well, maybe you don’t, but I do … when I see recorded evidence of that very same protest that shows no one yelling anything close to that as the black Congressmen are walking through.

And show me where Lewis specifically said he was called the N-word — I’m having trouble finding such a quote.

But hey, if you want to take politicians at their word, do whatever makes you grin.

JackLeg

August 17th, 2010
12:08 pm

Hey Granny G, why don’t you move to a Muslim country since you love them…I like a submissive servant of a woman. I can’t wait!

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
12:09 pm

getalife
August 17th, 2010
11:53 am

cons would welch on that reward.
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But the coward has to put up or shut up. Third party holds the funds. I got $100 or whatever your prepared to lose. Name it!

Mr Right

August 17th, 2010
12:09 pm

C T , you flat don’t have it!! Sorry !!

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
12:10 pm

Please God, if you exist start the rapture and take all the haters to never-never land….

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
12:11 pm

John wrote:

Mike K, get your facts straight…it’s not just a Mosque, it’s a cultural center.
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*** And the “American Power Act” wasn’t a cap-and-trade bill, either …

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
12:12 pm

Upon Further Review you’ve just proved my point. Each time Christians were denied their right to worship where they had a right to worship they took it to court and won.

NEXT………… :)

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:12 pm

CT the race baiter… “gays” are not mentioned in the Constitution, but the rights of gay Americans are all over the document. this is because (I know you’re having a hard time wrapping your head around this) according the the Founding Fathers, we the People (Americans) all enjoy “inalienable rights”. understand how this works; what applies to white Christian males of European decent ALSO applies to brown-skinned Wiccan females of Latin American heritage. excuse me, I mis-spoke. if you were a natve Japanese-American living in California in 1942, your rights were not inalienable, they were subjective and could be taken away in the interest of “national security” SO, I stand corrected. let’s round up all the Muslims and lock them up in internment camps.

NJ

August 17th, 2010
12:12 pm

More media hoopla. Before and after 9/11 the majority of attempted terrorist attacks have been committed inside the United States, by extremist Christian organizations. Timothy Mc Veigh’s links to these groups are well known.

And of course Republicans were SO offended by the government study that showed that the greatest terrorist threat came from right wing Christian groups that they demanded that the study be dropped.

Even though in the first year after the Patriot Act, the Bush Administration stopped ten acts of terrorism. All being attempted by right wing, Christian organizations.

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
12:13 pm

Hey Cynthia, researching your archives I have a question. Have the liberals you defend constantly ever done anything wrong?

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:13 pm

John
August 17th, 2010
12:06 pm

Yes, I heard the “community center” will be offering continuing education classes such as:

1. Seamstress to produce those lovely burqas.
2. How to effectively perform an honor killing.
3. Introduction to Bomb making
4. Advanced theories of Bomb making
5. Women Oppression 101
6. Women Oppression 102
…………….
241. Women Oppression 343
242. How to function with one hand chopped off.
243. Beheading 101
244. Advanced Beheading
245. How to be a pork eating gay muslim in teh USA

Courses still being added.

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
12:14 pm

But hey, if you want to take politicians at their word, do whatever makes you grin.

I find it kinda funny that the “rights” can take people like Palin, Gingrich, DeLay, Libby, Cheney, et al at THEIR word but not any other politican……………………….. hilarious!!!

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:15 pm

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:12 pm

Applied to all people? Just what percent of a person did the Constitution say blacks were?

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
12:15 pm

Enter your comments here

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:17 pm

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
12:12 pm

NEXT…”? What a slut!

Mike K

August 17th, 2010
12:17 pm

@getalife
“What about the strip club one block away?”
I don’t think the strip club is relevant (unless the 9-11 hijackers were part of a radical strippers cabal intent on overthrowing the democratic world order).

“Or all the Muslim owned shops on the same block?”
They’re kind of like the Japanese cars. I don’t see anything offensive about that.

“There is one overcrowded mosque four blocks away. Is that too close too?”
I think that’s your best point – how close is too close? I would answer that it’s largely a matter of perception. This proposed mosque is a big, expensive new project – it’s not a small, overcrowded existing project that’s twice as far from Ground Zero. This project seems like an attempt to celebrate a victory, and one would think that to avoid the appearance of impropriety, this Imam would choose to build his mosque somewhere else. After all, his supposed goal is interfaith harmony.

Look, as I said, Muslims certainly have a right to build this mosque, but given the depth of mainstream Islam’s links to terrorism and the severity of the attacks on 9-11, it’s clearly the case that building a glossy, new monument to Islam a couple of blocks from where the Twin Towers used to stand is going to offend many Americans. I mean, I’m pro-life, but I would oppose a proposal by a pro-life group to erect a shrine to the aborted at the site where George Tiller was killed. There’s no difference here.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:17 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 17th, 2010
12:06 pm

“the net is full of mis-information designed for people who believe anything”

and this blog as what 6 or 8 conservatives and 25 of you……
You know misinformation better than any here, it’s your MO

Normal

August 17th, 2010
12:17 pm

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:04 pm

Like I said before, Christians and Muslims have the same world dominance agenda…they just use different methods

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:18 pm

At the switch (I sure hope not). I did not compare Muslims to H.S. football players. I believe Harry Callahan did. I simply noted that when I played the game, we prayed all the time. And interestingly enough, one of the better players on my team was a Muslim (he didn’t pray with us, and were OK with it. Nor did the three Jews on our team).

Normal

August 17th, 2010
12:21 pm

When y’all resort to insults, you got nothing left to say…you l-o-s-e!

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
12:21 pm

DebbieDoRight
August 17th, 2010
12:14 pm

Why do left wingers dance around everything that they disagree with? They need to speak of facts and knowledge, not conjecture. For you to think that “rights” believe everything a conservative says is true, is only admitting that you agree with everything said buy the “lefts”, right?

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:21 pm

I repeat:

I am smug and I’m in love with the smell of my own flatulence.

JackLeg

August 17th, 2010
12:22 pm

I say let them build and put a gay strip club next door and BBQ on the other side. Then paint a big picture of Mohamed kissing a man across the street. That is all ok right CT? Freedom of speech right? Since these are tolerant peace loving people , how many Churches are in Mecca?

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
12:22 pm

neo-Carlinist
August 17th, 2010
12:18 pm

Did the praying help? Unless you play for Notre Dame your not going to get any help from the MAN.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
12:23 pm

Imam Obama has now turned the corner. Look for the Mainstream Media to begin trashing him. Imam Obama is goin down in flames….

AH HAHAHAAAHAAAAAA!!!

Mike K

August 17th, 2010
12:24 pm

@John
See my post to getalife for a response on how close is too close.

I’m not sure why you and other liberals think that the fact that this is a community center a mosque somehow makes it not a mosque. In any case, if you read my other posts (which it seems like you did, since you responded to them) you’ll see I clearly indicated I was aware that it was both a community center and a mosque. However, the fact that it includes a mosque is the really offensive part – which is why I focused on it in the comment you quoted.

By the way, you didn’t respond to my point that your argument about driving Japanese cars was a total red herring.

The Thin Guy

August 17th, 2010
12:24 pm

We should have the same number Towel Head Towers in America as there are churches and synagogues in Saudia Arabia. What’s a peaceful Mooslum? A moderate Mooslum is one who has run out of ammunition. Suppose the KKK wants to build a shrine to James Earl Ray next to The King Center. Would that meet with CT’s approval? Off to eat at a BBQ restaurant where one never sees a Raghead.

John

August 17th, 2010
12:24 pm

“And again, please cite an instance where a Christian strapped a bomb to a mentally handicapped girl and sent her in a public place to randomly kill people all in the name of God. I’ll wait…..”

C Tucker, the race baiter, there may not be cases exactly as you pointed out; however, haven’t we seen Christians post names, addresses and phone number of abortion doctors on the net. Haven’t abortion doctors been killed in the name of God? What about the molestation cases by clergy over the past few decades?

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
12:24 pm

neo-Carlinist wrote:

Upon Further Review,

1 – McVeigh cited his “peace with my God…” Was he referring to Allah? the God of Abraham? The Buddha?

*** Beats me; I wasn’t privy to the inner workings of his mind. But I don’t recall him saying he blew up the building in the name of Jesus Christ, so what would your point be?

2 – Rudolph, whom you seem to have omitted, most certainly viewed his actions as Christian.

*** I don’t recall saying that “No person in the history of the world has ever claimed to commit murder in the name of Christianity.” But I daresay the difference between the number of people in that category versus the number who claim to commit murder in the name of Allah are — how you say? — minuscule in comparison.
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3 – I didn’t know there was a “time limit” as far as the actions of “wacos and misfits”. OH, and in my opinion, al Qeada and ANY terrorist falls intot he “misfit” category. some are just better funded (follow the money… it begins when you fill your SUV).

*** Again, how many of them claim to do so in the name of Allah? You can start by adding up the number of suicide bombers, who do so with the expectation of virgins, etc.

As for the time limit, I’m interested in modern-day terrorism, not the inevitable silly counterargument about what Christians may have done during the Crusades.

And regarding “wackos and misfits” … when the number of terrorists and/or recent terrorist incidents reaches the thousands, and encompasses members of a particular religion who reside in nations all over the world, I think it’s safe to say we’re not dealing with isolated examples. By golly, a pattern begins to emerge!
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MY POINT is, not every Muslim is a “wacko and misfit” and if our previous President spent more time hunting and killing “wackos and misfits” – a/k/a paying attention at August 2001 security briefings held by members of the CIA “bin Laden unit” AND less time trying to reverse engineer an invasion/occupation of Iraq, maybe 9/11 doesn’t happen.

*** And if his predecessor had accepted Sudan’s offer to hand over custody of bin Laden … or done something about the fact that in 2000, an unarmed Predator apparently had bin Laden in its sights in real time, we might also have avoided 9/11. Welcome to Speculation Theater.
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BUT that’s all speculation, right? I mean we know 9/11 happened, but we don’t know if every Muslim on the planet was involved, so we need to condemn and sanction ALL Muslims, lest we spend the rest of our lives living in fear.

*** Right, but we can be sensitive to the sentiments of 9/11 families and, for that matter, New Yorkers and Americans, too. Every poll I’ve seen shows overwhelming opposition to the mosque near Ground Zero, so why not push harder to have it moved farther away?

I mean, I generally like Japanese people, too, but I’d find it equally inappropriate if some group wanted to build a monument to the kamikaze pilots at Pearl Harbor.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:25 pm

Ezra

August 17th, 2010
12:30 pm

GG
Jon Stewart is a comedian and not news worthy.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:31 pm

Ezra

August 17th, 2010
12:30 pm

Jon Stewart is a prick.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:31 pm

Ezra

I hear he says the same thing about you.

But I don’t agree with him on that.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:32 pm

Trol

I hear he says the same thing about you, on that I do agree with him.

But I believe he would use the adjective “little” in your case.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
12:32 pm

DebbieDoRight wrote:

Upon Further Review you’ve just proved my point. Each time Christians were denied their right to worship where they had a right to worship they took it to court and won.

NEXT………… :)
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*** BZZZZZZZZT! Wrong answer!

Christians did not win EVERY time they were denied their right to worship. Look up the Supreme Court decision on the “UC Hastings College of the Law” case for an example of a Christian group taking it on the chin.

The only point I’ve proved is my own: Muslims have every right to try to locate a mosque there, and American citizens who oppose it have every right to speak out against it, protest it, and take every legal means at their disposal to try to stop the plan.

And again, what is LEGAL is not necessarily what is RIGHT.

Blain

August 17th, 2010
12:32 pm

What’s the point in having the “freedom” to worship your religion if you can only do it where you’re told to do it? Do Christians have those same restrictions?

Pemberton Burough, NJ rejects church’s zoning bid.

The Church in question is the Apostolic Church of Deliverance which now meets in Mt. Holly. The church has a membership of between 50 and 100. Its pastor is Rev. Richmond Goodwin.

The congregation has been seeking to lease and renovate the former Gem Cheese factory at 207 Hanover St., closed since September 2006. In addition to a church, the congregation also wants to run a day-care center there.

The borough has been reluctant to allow this as it seeks to redevelop the plant and surrounding area commercially to attract tax ratables.

One had sought a zoning permit for a church at Sixth and Buttonwood streets, but was denied because the property is in a manufacturing-commercial zone, where churches are not allowed.

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Pennsylvania–Among numerous changes in other areas, the new code bans new churches in buildings that are physically attached to neighboring homes, unless the church owns the neighboring dwellings as well.

The city’s goal is to prevent potentially noisy services from annoying neighbors.

But the ordinance essentially forces new churches to locate in stand-alone buildings or buy two or three adjoining properties instead of one – costing money they don’t have.

One had sought a zoning permit for a church at Sixth and Buttonwood streets, but was denied because the property is in a manufacturing-commercial zone, where churches are not allowed.

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The conflict between church interests and local zoning laws is not a new phenomenon; in the United States, communities have often sought to restrict church building expansions and, perhaps to a lesser extent, church activities in the public realm. The chief question at the heart of the issue is to what extent a congregation has the right to practice its religious freedom unimpeded.

The conflict between church public outreach and the concerns of the surrounding neighborhood has reached the federal court in Phoenix, Arizona, where city officials have ordered a halt to a CrossRoads United Methodist Church’s breakfast for the homeless in an upscale neighborhood park.

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Evanston, Ill., a Chicago suburb, was taken to court in 2000 for denying a special permit for a local church — the Vineyard Christian Fellowship — to worship at an old office building that it hoped to convert into its new home. In the suit

The list goes on and on.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:32 pm

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:31 pm

So at least he knows Ezra. And you?

paleo neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:34 pm

wow, I’ve been hijacked. let’s see if my protege can follow me lead. let’s see, we’ve opined about my genitalia and flatulence. I can’t wait until we’re all in middle school and we can denegrate each other abouut zits and pubic hair.

CT, the race baiter. you can wait all you want. I am not “waiting” for you to respond; in fact, I would prefer you not respond, if you cannot respond directly. this isn’t some undergrad philosopht class. we don’t answer questions with questions. nor is this some sort of terrorist Olympics or BCS poll in which we “rank” terrorists based on style points. are you suggesting that because Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph did not employ the services of a retarded teenage girl, their actions were any less criminal? Are you suggesting because they were not Muslims and they cited THEIR god instead of ALLAH, the people they killed are any less the victim of religious based terrorism? OH, and where did this bombing occur; lower Manhattan, Oklahoma City, Atlanta, Birmingham? like the others, you are a shallow, dim-witted, lemming and a coward. you hide behind a pathetic, trite concern for retarded children, Muslim women, or 9/11 families; while you issue “hall passes” for American terrorists who killed American civilians on American soil.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:34 pm

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:32 pm

You seem to have intimate knowledge of “little” pricks. Say hello to the mister……

John

August 17th, 2010
12:34 pm

Mike K, “I think that’s your best point – how close is too close? I would answer that it’s largely a matter of perception.”

Whose perception? Mine, yours, New York City, families of 9/11 victims who are against it, families of 9/11 victims who are for it, the land owners?

“Look, as I said, Muslims certainly have a right to build this mosque”

But you’re basing that on some perception. If whosoever perception you’re basing this on says 1,000 miles is too close…would you support that opinion? How can support the 1st amendment and states’ rights and then add a “but”?

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
12:35 pm

Switch: Why do left wingers dance around everything that they disagree with? They need to speak of facts and knowledge, not conjecture. For you to think that “rights” believe everything a conservative says is true, is only admitting that you agree with everything said buy the “lefts”, right?

That’s not what I said, here it is again, copied and pasted for your perusal:
I find it kinda funny that the “rights” can take people like Palin, Gingrich, DeLay, Libby, Cheney, et al at THEIR word but not any other politican……………………….. hilarious!!!

Nowhere in that statement did I infer what you said above ^^ (“rights” believe everything a conservative says is true). I think you only saw what you wanted to see, not what was actually there.

neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:36 pm

Please ignore my empty rhetoric.

Steve

August 17th, 2010
12:36 pm

Same old tired CT BS

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 17th, 2010
12:36 pm

paleo neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:34 pm

You used the word “retarded”? I thought you self professed intellectuals were much more politically correct than that.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
12:36 pm

fox donated a million to the gop and their propaganda machine.

You cons believe everything they tell you so don’t go there welcher.

kayaker 71

August 17th, 2010
12:37 pm

Only three days before the fuel rods are installed in Iran’s nuclear reactor. There is still time to take out the reactor but do you think that Bozo will have the balls to confront the Angry Iranian? Islam wins again. How many of these defeats can we take?

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:38 pm

Troll

Seem?

I spend time with YOU most every day, that ain’t “seems” that’s real experience.

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
12:38 pm

Blain unless you are comparing apples to oranges. The local authorities in the incidents you are citing above main objections to the expansion/erection of the church is mainly due to tax revenue. NOT religious ideology.

paleo neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
12:39 pm

ahhh….but you are mistaken oh you of weak mind. For I meant “retarded” in the non-derogatory sense. The word itself is harmless. When conservatives use it, it then becomes inflammatory and insensitive. When liberals use is it is a term of codification or classification if you will. Make sense? Didn’t think so

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:39 pm

take out the reactor?

OMG John Bolton blogs here!

Get Real

August 17th, 2010
12:39 pm

And…while they are at it whey don’t they just put a statue of Osama Bin Laden on top of the mosque to put the icing on the cake! Maybe that would make all the little liberals happy! And…the right wing didn’t run the country down, it was your dimocratic congress, Pelosi and Reid! Along with their mindset that everyone should be able to buy a house whether or not they could afford one! Just qualify them and give’em a loan! Thanks to Barney Franks and Chris Dodd oh but wait they are dimocrats but let’s blame Bush! I’m surprised all the pregnant dimocrats aren’t blaming being pregnant on Bush, too! Keep drinking the Kool-Aid Obozo keeps pouring for you, click your heels together and say, it’s all Bush’s fault!

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
12:39 pm

First sentence should be ” Blain, you ARE comparing apples to oranges…….” sorry for the typo.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
12:40 pm

At the Switch wrote:

Why do left wingers dance around everything that they disagree with? They need to speak of facts and knowledge, not conjecture. For you to think that “rights” believe everything a conservative says is true, is only admitting that you agree with everything said buy the “lefts”, right?
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*** Bingo on both counts.

1. Who says I accept 100% of what ANY politician says?

2. Interesting that milady didn’t refute my charge that despite evidence to the contrary,Stands for Decibels gobbled up the Congressmen’s claims like a baby bird getting fed by its mama.

I couldn’t care less if the Congressmen were black, white or green … when I see (and hear) and recording in which not a single person can be heard yelling even one racial slur, I begin to doubt Congressman Andre Carson’s claim that he heard the N-word “15 times.”

Either he’s lying … someone was yelling it very softly … or he needs to get his hearing checked.

getalife

August 17th, 2010
12:41 pm

cons lost the argument so they insult like sore losers.

ButtHead

August 17th, 2010
12:41 pm

Did you liberal idiots know that the Qur’an tells of over 400 ways to kill the infidel? I wish you liberal idiots would please READ the Qur’ran then make a decision, oh wait do you know how to read? If you are a female you better not know how, it is against Muslim law to educate a female. Wait that could be good, right CT?

DebbieDoRight

August 17th, 2010
12:44 pm

Only three days before the fuel rods are installed in Iran’s nuclear reactor. There is still time to take out the reactor but do you think that Bozo will have the balls to confront the Angry Iranian? Islam wins again. How many of these defeats can we take?

You do know that you can do this yourself right? You don’t HAVE to wait on the US. Charter a bomber in Israel, fly to your destination, pray to your God, (or your whatever), and fly a suicide mission straight into the plant. It’ll be a glorious defeat of Iran, shirah law, and YOU all at the same time!!! I bet they’ll even make songs that will be sung to your bravery for years to come; you’ll die a martyrs death with full regalia at your memorial. Mere mortals can not wish for anything more……..

boooo

August 17th, 2010
12:45 pm

cindy – see harry reid’s comments

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
12:45 pm

DebbieDoRight wrote:

That’s not what I said, here it is again, copied and pasted for your perusal:
“I find it kinda funny that the “rights” can take people like Palin, Gingrich, DeLay, Libby, Cheney, et al at THEIR word but not any other politican……………………….. hilarious!!!”

Nowhere in that statement did I infer what you said above ^^ (“rights” believe everything a conservative says is true).
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*** Ummm … so you think there’s a difference between taking conservative politicians at their word and believing everything they say?

Do tell.

Soames

August 17th, 2010
12:46 pm

The current attack against Islam by the GOP is no different than the attacks against Christianity by everyone else. Liberals are quick to defend religion, as long as it’s not Christianity.

Granny Crapzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:47 pm

I look at Jon Stewart as the only relevant Newscaster available.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:47 pm

Butthead

do you know the bible says you can sell your daughters into slavery?

That could be good eh, Butthead?

Scared of Progressives-with good reason

August 17th, 2010
12:47 pm

I believe you’ll find there is a lot more ’stamping on the Constitution’ by the present administration than the previous one. Health care alone represents more of a stomp on an individual’s right to say “no, thank you” than anything done previously. But, alas, fascists (er, Progressives) have never worried about the Constitution, so why start now. First President to denounce the Constitution, Woodrow Wilson. Racism aside, he came right out and said he didn’t care about the Constitution. Oh, and yes, he is the darling of many Progressives. Want the state to raise your children, vote Nazi (er, Progressive). Fascism is essentially “religion of the State”, and needless to say we have way too any “religious devotees” in our government today (on both sides of the aisle)

Blain

August 17th, 2010
12:47 pm

DDR, did you skip over the incidents regarding noise and threat to the community?

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
12:48 pm

DebbieDoRight wrote:

(F)ly a suicide mission straight into the plant. It’ll be a glorious defeat of Iran, shirah law, and YOU all at the same time!!!
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*** You seem strangely disappointed — at least when it comes to the first two.

Did you have your heart set on going shopping for the fall line of burqas?

Katy

August 17th, 2010
12:49 pm

What the constitution says and what is morally right is the question, isn’t it? The Constitution says freedom of religon but you can’t just hang your hat on that and make it right. It is morally wrong to build the mosque there. Further there are questions about the Imam wanting to build. Did you know CT he will not come out and say that Hammas is a terrorist organization? Did you know CT he is traveling the world, on our tax dollars, to raise the $10M needed to build it? Did you also know CT that a small Greek Orthodox church, destroyed on 9/11, is running into government roadblock after roadblock in their effort to rebuild? And did you CT that the VAST majority of Americans do not support this Mosque? We are not haters of anyone. We are a just people who obviously know the difference between right and wrong better than you. Its individuals like you who throw out hateful words like McCarthyism because you don’t have a decent argument to make.

Granny Crapzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:49 pm

As soon as Mr Crapzilla kicks the bucket I plan on meeting Jon Stewart and getting to know him.

MichaelinAtlanta

August 17th, 2010
12:50 pm

I need to stop reading these comments, but it’s like watching the aftermath of a car crash. I’m ashamed of myself, yet I can’t help but look. In any case, reading the spew some of these trolls offer as opinion, I think we’ll probably all be better off when the Chinese finally declare our (intellectually as well as economically) bankrupt nation has become a protectorate. The religious right has done more damage to this country and to the mind of its people than any number of terrorists could ever hope to accomplish. May the good Lord have mercy on us.

KC and JoJo

August 17th, 2010
12:50 pm

getalife

with a name like that it sounds like you are insulting others, is that true?

Mike K

August 17th, 2010
12:53 pm

@John
“How can support the 1st amendment and states’ rights and then add a “but”?’”

It’s easy. I have the right to be rude and nasty to people, but I choose not to be because (were I to do so) most people wouldn’t want to spend any time around me. It’s the same situation here.

Of course we have freedom of religion (we don’t need the President lecturing us on that), but if the goal of this center is to demonstrate that moderate Muslims can integrate themselves into American civil society, then I would say it’s not going to achieve its goal.

Have you ever seen the South Park episode, “The Death Camp of Tolerance”? In it, Trey and Matt made the point that in our society we tolerate behavior we find abhorrent, but that doesn’t mean we should celebrate it. I think most Americans view Islam that way – we tolerate it (because that what we do), but we don’t want to celebrate its backwards, illiberal philosophy.

Many Muslims have devoted a considerable amount of energy to denying freedom of religion to non-Muslims, to demanding that free speech be curtailed if it offends them, to oppressing women, to killing Westerners, etc., etc., etc. It’s commendable that some moderate Muslims want to demonstrate that their religion is not incompatible with Western values, but as it stands Islam is something most Americans just tolerate – it’s not a religion they respect. If the goal of this cultural center/mosque is to make Islam an accepted, mainstream American religion, then putting next to Ground Zero is a bad idea. If, however, the goal is to celebrate an Islamic victory over the Great Satan of America, then it’s an excellent idea.

Betsy

August 17th, 2010
12:54 pm

NOBODY, NOBODY is trying to “deny peaceful American Muslims the right to practice their religion.” If you don’t get why a mosque that close to the site of our being viciously attacked by Islamic terrorists is inhumane, immoral, and just plain disrespectful, then there is no help for you. I have no doubt that Muslims are laughing at us with glee behind our backs. We’re so afraid of offending someone we’ve become the biggest patsies in the world, bending over backwards to allow any and all comers to kick us in the backside, once again, regardless of the pain and degradation it causes. YOU, madame, are not helping. In this issue, you are absolutely, totally, and ashamedly clueless.

paleo neo-Carlinist ver. 1.0

August 17th, 2010
12:54 pm

pay no attention to the neo-Carlinist behind the curtain. I am the great and powerful Oz. CT, the race baiter (a/k/a the fake neo-Carlinist). I did not use the word retarded, you did, but I have no problem with the word. were you a true neo-Carlinist you would eschew euphemisms and politicaly correct language. there is nothing wrong with the word retarded. in fact, it is a bit disingenous of you to cite the fact that Muslim terrorists conscripted a retarded teenager as a suicide bomber, then (weak attempt to) call me out for using the word retarded. just so we’re clear (I suspect you may be retarded); the IQ or mental capacity of the victim of a terrorist attack means nothing to mean, nor does the “faith” or “motive” of a terrorist. terrorists are criminals; and they should be hunted and killed. the problem with your logic is, not all Muslims are terrorists. I recogonize your feable mind prevents you from a higher level of thinking (ability to distinguish Muslims from terrorists, etc.), but I’m here to elevate your game, not sink to your level. dismissed!

Mike K

August 17th, 2010
12:55 pm

@MichaelinAtlanta
Try spending a week in a 2nd tier Chinese city (not Beijing or Shanghai) and see how you feel about that.

Granny Crapzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:58 pm

Excuse me Ive got to go help MrCrapzilla clean up the mess made by lil RoverCrapzilla.

John

August 17th, 2010
12:58 pm

ButtHead, read your Bible…there’s many references to putting people to death in the Bible as well.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:59 pm

Katy

lot of stuff in your post….

just the long hanging fruit this time…

did you bother to find out why the greek church is facing roadblocks?
is it the Macedonians? or building codes?

oh, and that traveling on our tax dollars thing is that not part of the George W. Bush and Karen Hughes listening tour for which he was specially selected by the former President?

Scout

August 17th, 2010
1:03 pm

Bumper Sticker: “I Love My Country But I’m Afraid of My Government”

paleo neo-Carlinist ver. 1.0

August 17th, 2010
1:06 pm

one more thought before I leave for a few… I hope the serious bloggers from the left, right and points in between know I would never ask (”please”?) to ingore my posts. unlike some of the children assembled here, I would not post a comment I felt was not worth reading. more accurately; while I don’t agree with many bloggers, I respect you time and would not ask you to waste your time reading my screeds. and more importantly, I trust each of you to either read or ignore my posts. again, I know this concept (personal choice, critical thinking, self-determination, self-confidence) has yet to be grasped by all bloggers; but this is American and as what’s his name (redneck comic) has observed, there ain’t no laws against stupid.

John

August 17th, 2010
1:09 pm

“Of course we have freedom of religion (we don’t need the President lecturing us on that)”

Mike K , But we need Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and the GOP to tell New York City how they should apply their cities laws and ordinances when it comes to granting a building permit?

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
1:11 pm

are rightwingers saying, where are mcveigh, rudolph and
oswald when you need them?
are leftwingers saying religious freedom trumps suicide
bombers and disrespect for 911 victims.
sounds like it,but I hope not.

Scout

August 17th, 2010
1:17 pm

To my conservative friends out there ……….. this is probably the most informative video I have ever seen on the subject at hand :

Just go to YouTube and type in ………. Three Things About Islam.

You will be glad you did ……………………

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:17 pm

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
12:17 pm
I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 17th, 2010
12:06 pm

“the net is full of mis-information designed for people who believe anything”

and this blog as what 6 or 8 conservatives and 25 of you……
You know misinformation better than any here, it’s your MO
_____________________________________________________________________

MNGL, can you say “Paranoid “!

Normal

August 17th, 2010
1:18 pm

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
1:11 pm

Frog,
the first sentence sounds about right to me too, but the second sentence is true only if you assume that all of the 911 victims were white anglo-saxon Protestants…and have you ever noticed that the root word to Protestant is protest?

Good old Martin Luther…sure started a a whole passle of stuff, didn’t he? :D

Normal

August 17th, 2010
1:19 pm

Scout,
Have you built your bomb shelter yet?

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:19 pm

getalife

August 17th, 2010
12:36 pm
fox donated a million to the gop and their propaganda machine.

You cons believe everything they tell you so don’t go there welcher.
___________________________________________________________________________

Obama got millions from GE which owns NBC. Point?

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
1:21 pm

Troll

I can say it, I can spell it and when you’re ready I can embroider it in script on your footie pajamas.

You however, are it.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:24 pm

Normal

August 17th, 2010
1:19 pm
Scout,
Have you built your bomb shelter yet?
____________________________________________________________

Your stuck in 1955. We have other bombs today that create a mushroom cloud. No bomb shelter will save any part of your vaporized ass.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
1:24 pm

John wrote:

“Of course we have freedom of religion (we don’t need the President lecturing us on that)”

Mike K , But we need Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and the GOP to tell New York City how they should apply their cities laws and ordinances when it comes to granting a building permit?
_________________________________

1. The same Constitution that guarantees freedom of religion also guarantees Americans the right to express their views on government decisions.

2. Calling the “Ground Zero mosque” a primarily local issue makes about as much sense as calling the Pearl Harbor attack a primarily Hawaiian issue.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
1:24 pm

Troll

wrong again!

From Open Secrets

which begins…

This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization’s PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals’ immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

Because of contribution limits, organizations that bundle together many individual contributions are often among the top donors to presidential candidates. These contributions can come from the organization’s members or employees (and their families). The organization may support one candidate, or hedge its bets by supporting multiple candidates. Groups with national networks of donors – like EMILY’s List and Club for Growth – make for particularly big bundlers.

and the number is….

$499,130

accuracy remains an issue for you, but we’ve come to anticipate that

Boots

August 17th, 2010
1:25 pm

The Republican and Tea Party have picked up the banner long carried by Strom Thurmond and seem to attrack radicals, racists and bigots while abhorring the moderates within their party.

Their “red meat rhetoric” sounds great and stirs up the mindless masses, but fails to understand that a move to the center will be necessary for the Republicans to win on the national stage.

gmaye

August 17th, 2010
1:31 pm

Thank You Conservatives for showing the world who you really are, Newt. Why on Gods name would anybody other than a Idiot Conservative White person, vote for Newt G.

You people trying to change all the laws of the land thats been around for over 100 years because now you dont like religion people.

Shawn Hannity is frome Ireland, Beck from Germany, When are you poor white T. going to wake up.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
1:33 pm

What the HELL is Obama HIDING?

Here’s something new for the birthers to chew over: President Barack Obama’s passport. Says he was born in Hawaii! But the White House has strategically fuzzed out certain data, so the mystery continues.

Now, it’s his official passport, which means it’s new, so the true believers will not be persuaded.

Ezra

August 17th, 2010
1:34 pm

“by GG, “do you know the bible says you can sell your daughters into slavery?”"

The Koran says you can kill them! Kinda harsh doncha think!

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
1:36 pm

Ezra

Both are harsh, don’t ya’ think?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
1:36 pm

Obama says its’ safe and we’re leaving on his timetable. Thanks, our enemy will be waiting.

Baghdad suicide bomb hits army recruits, kills 61

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
1:37 pm

Slavey – Imagine the possibilities today.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
1:38 pm

Your stuck in 1955. We have other bombs today that create a mushroom cloud. No bomb shelter will save any part of your vaporized ass.

Nor would I want it too. I decided back in the Cold War that if the big one came, I’d be sitting back on my porch, sipping wine and watching the boom…but you missed my point. Scout is always crying about the Muslim boogie man, I just wondered if he had a place to hide.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
1:39 pm

So if this is all about “freedom of religion,” how come the city of New York still hasn’t given the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church permission to rebuild in the same neighborhood?

Normal

August 17th, 2010
1:40 pm

Ezra

August 17th, 2010
1:34 pm
Didn’t Lot give his female slaves to the men of Sodom to be ravished and murdered?

Mike K

August 17th, 2010
1:41 pm

@John
“Mike K , But we need Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and the GOP to tell New York City how they should apply their cities laws and ordinances when it comes to granting a building permit?”

Nope – we don’t need that either. Of course, Palin and Gingrich don’t hold offices (unlike a certain Mr. Obama).

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:41 pm

Normal

August 17th, 2010
1:38 pm
Your stuck in 1955. We have other bombs today that create a mushroom cloud. No bomb shelter will save any part of your vaporized ass.

Nor would I want it too. I decided back in the Cold War that if the big one came, I’d be sitting back on my porch, sipping wine and watching the boom…but you missed my point. Scout is always crying about the Muslim boogie man, I just wondered if he had a place to hide.
______________________________________________________________________-

You do realize we are at war with Islam?

Azazel

August 17th, 2010
1:43 pm

I agree with paleo neo-Carlinist ver. 1.0:

I have problem with Muslims using retards to run into a crowd with dynamite.

Rahm Emanuel

August 17th, 2010
1:44 pm

Azazel

That is my line

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:44 pm

getalife,

Are you still backing down after I called your bluff? Third party holds the funds. Your welching excuse dosen’t hold water.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
1:44 pm

Upon Further review

I know why…I looked it up all by myself!

You can too!

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:45 pm

Ground Zero mosque debate fuels new concern over trial of alleged 9/11 co-conspirators

Let’s have the trial then build the mosque.

Build it PLEEEEEEEEEEESE!

Oh Happy Day

August 17th, 2010
1:46 pm

FIRST: More than half of America disapproves of president’s performance…

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
1:46 pm

Troll

We are at war with Islam?

Ah, no.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:46 pm

MNGL,

I’ll make the same wager with you. Go ask your daddy if its’ alright.

Joe

August 17th, 2010
1:47 pm

It seems to me that 70% of the country sides with the GOP on the issue of building a mosque. I’ve not heard one person within the GOP that wants to stop muslims from practicing their religion. What you, Obama, and the rest of the brainless liberals in this country fail to realize is that it not about the right to build the mosque. It’s a sensitivity issue and the pain that 9/11 victims and their families shouldn’t have to relive again. I understand how dim you are Tucker but don’t you realize that radical muslims will play this as if we are bowing down to them. I’m sure that’s what you would like but that’s not what this country is all about.

Oh Happy Day

August 17th, 2010
1:47 pm

Even Streisand runs away from Obama?

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:47 pm

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
1:46 pm
Troll

We are at war with Islam?

Ah, no.
_________________________________________

We disagree period. What’s new!

Don't forget

August 17th, 2010
1:48 pm

I’m Here From The Government and I’m Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:41 pm

You do realize we are at war with Islam?
——————————————————————-
No, we aren’t. You must be al quaida since that is their position.

Please Cynthia

August 17th, 2010
1:48 pm

“…deny peaceful American Muslims the right to practice their religion.”

Please Cynthia, please provide a single quote where a Republican leader has taken the position that Muslims should no longer have the right to practice their religion anywhere in the United States of America.

You pander to your base about as well as Rush Limbaugh does.

Oh Happy Day

August 17th, 2010
1:49 pm

Obama boasts of most ‘progressive’ political triumphs in decades…

Oh Happy Day

August 17th, 2010
1:50 pm

UPDATE: Dem Senator hit with pie by anti-war protesters…

Rahm Emanuel

August 17th, 2010
1:51 pm

Let me reiterate what Azazel was trying to say:

There is no problem with retards being used to carry live explosives in a crowd. Anybody who disagrees with me is retarded.

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
1:51 pm

Troll

Bet with you?

hahahahaha

seen your’ welchin’ ways in the past.

as far as at war with Islam….

UNITED NATIONS, September 19, 2006 (RFE/RL) — In an address at the opening of the 61st session of the UN General Assembly, U.S. President George W. Bush today delivered a conciliatory speech to the people of the Middle East, saying the United States respects Islam and isn’t at war with Muslims.

Bush appealed to the people of the Middle East to understand that Western nations have no quarrel with them, but with the extremists among them.

Transcipt from Radio Free Europe

Normal

August 17th, 2010
1:51 pm

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
1:39 pm

About that church…

- Plans to rebuild St. Nicholas two blocks from its original location fell apart when Port Authority officials objected to its 24,000-square-foot footprint with a traditional grand dome that they said could not rise higher than the planned WTC memorial.

Sounds like the church’s plan violated an existing zoning issue.

If the mosque violates the same zoning issue it should be stopped as well.

Scout

August 17th, 2010
1:52 pm

granny godzilla :

Uh, no ………..

Islam is at war with us. Big difference !

Oh Happy Day

August 17th, 2010
1:53 pm

Russian Scholar Warns Of ‘Secret’ U.S. Climate Change Weapon…

TaxPayer

August 17th, 2010
1:55 pm

Islam is at war with us and we are at war with Islam

Wow! Where do you kids come up with this stuff. I suspect it is a result of too much free time on your hands, listening to Beck and Hannity and Gingrich and such tools for fools.

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
1:56 pm

if we are at war with islam they sure
aren’t fielding much of an army out
of around 1.5 billion members.

HELLO GRANNY

August 17th, 2010
1:58 pm

My favorite Islamic protest sign reads:

DEATH TO AMERICA

Normal

August 17th, 2010
2:01 pm

OMG! I just heard that IRAN now has the Z-BOMB and is handing it out to the Radical Lesbian Girl Scout Black Berets to use against the Keebler Cookie Company…

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
2:03 pm

Hello granny 1:58 Think they mean Death to
North America except for Canada and Mexico.
No maps in Islam, I guess

Goldie

August 17th, 2010
2:06 pm

This whole “mosque” thing and the fake outrage shown by most Repubs just reinforces my preconceived notion that the Repub Party has been hijacked by religious extremists — come on November elections, it’s gonna be a real laugh riot!

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
2:08 pm

This mosque is small potatos. The real issue and if you havent heard let me be one of the first…”Cant sing a note” Fantasia is back with her married boyfriend, Antwuun…My day is now complete!!

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
2:10 pm

“it’s gonna be a real laugh riot!”

Yes…watching the Democrappers fall one by one will be hilarious. Then come 2012 we toss Imam Obama out on his arse.

America Lost

August 17th, 2010
2:11 pm

If the Repulicans have no leadership, you should be oh so happy, the dims are going to take a beating during the midterms. Republicans have no strategy or new idears? As far as I can tell the dims only have a few, Tax, spend and call anyone who opposes them a racist. Now, no one can deny that the dims have unlimited idears on how to re-package their 3 main idears, however, I think most people have caught on.

Goldie

August 17th, 2010
2:12 pm

I especially enjoy listening to Newt talk this week about Saudi Arabia and its religious extremism — why, according to Newt, if they “won’t allow churches or synagogues” in their country, why should America allow mosques to be built in ours? That’s a beautiful comparison, Newt! I’m sure looking forward to him announcing he wants to be Prez in ‘12!

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
2:14 pm

Can’t find Islam on my map, found Islamabad, in
Pakistan, if that’s the capital i believe i would
have found a better name ? Islam a bad?
Probably another language, Pharisee or
something.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
2:17 pm

Democrappers

Another one who can’t spell Democrat…there’s your sign…

Oh Happy Day

August 17th, 2010
2:17 pm

Reid splits with Obama on Ground Zero mosque…

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
2:20 pm

Don’t forget

August 17th, 2010
1:48 pm
I’m Here From The Government and I’m Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
1:41 pm

You do realize we are at war with Islam?
——————————————————————-
No, we aren’t. You must be al quaida since that is their position.
________________________________________________________

We disagree. What’s new!

paleo neo-Carlinist Herman Walker Bush ver. 1.0

August 17th, 2010
2:23 pm

Normal, you beat me to the punch in responding to Upon Further Review. of course, to those unfamiliar with the area, St. Nicholas’s Greek Orthodox Church was located at “ground zero” (not “near” ground zero). the was adjacent to the WTC towers and was buried when the south tower came down, and eventually demolished. critical thinkers (and even some retards) can certainly understand the difference between “adjacent” and “2.5 city blocks away”. but St. Nicholas’s, like others (for example, real estate the developers who own the old Burlington Coat Factory 2.5 blocks away) are engaged fighting the dual zoning/building code and fundraising battles necessary to re-build. and, given the the location, there are a plethora of added (legit) security concerns as expressed by the City of New York and the Port Authority of NY/NJ, which have further delayed reconstruction efforts. but, to answer your question, Upon Futher…, they too are excercising their First Amendment rights and moving forward. and for the record, NO construction (save a memorial monument) occurred between 2002 (end of salvage) and 2006

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
2:24 pm

granny godzilla

August 17th, 2010
1:51 pm
Troll

Bet with you?

hahahahaha

seen your’ welchin’ ways in the past.

as far as at war with Islam….

UNITED NATIONS, September 19, 2006 (RFE/RL) — In an address at the opening of the 61st session of the UN General Assembly, U.S. President George W. Bush today delivered a conciliatory speech to the people of the Middle East, saying the United States respects Islam and isn’t at war with Muslims.

Bush appealed to the people of the Middle East to understand that Western nations have no quarrel with them, but with the extremists among them.

Transcipt from Radio Free Europe
__________________________________________________________________

MNGL, I don’t drink the kook-aid, that’s all for you. I say we are at war with Islam period. You scared to give you wager to a third party to? No way to welch but I guess you really do know what’s coming. CHANGE BABY!!!

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
2:25 pm

TaxPayer

August 17th, 2010
1:55 pm
Islam is at war with us and we are at war with Islam

Wow! Where do you kids come up with this stuff. I suspect it is a result of too much free time on your hands, listening to Beck and Hannity and Gingrich and such tools for fools.
___________________________________________________________________

When you come up for air, we’ll be there!

kayaker 71

August 17th, 2010
2:26 pm

Debbie do Wrong,

So, young lady, what would you do to challenge Iran’s plan to build nuclear warheads. Think they’ll sell them to the highest bidder? Think one of these babies are headed for the good Old USA. What would you do? Would you challenge Iran with watered down sanctions that have done literally no good? Would you go to Egypt and give a speech on co-existence with the Muslim world? Would you suck up to every Muslim you know. Know what Islam calls this? WEAKNESS. They are laughing behind Bozo’s back wondering how the most powerful nation on earth could elect so inept a leader. And leader is a big stretch. No one is afraid of the consequences. They have all been given an open pass to do anything they want. Remember JFK? He was a pretty ineffective president but at least he had the balls to call their bluff. Result? No warheads 90 miles off of our southern shore.
Instead of sucking up to Islam, Bozo should have made #1 priority to stop Iran. Tough talks with Russia instead of backing down in Eastern Europe. Get a trade. No war heads in Poland in exchange for not supplying Iran with plutonium. Again, make the consequences so severe that supplying Iran with plutonium rods would be unthinkable. Tighten the sanctions to mean something. Concessions to China to get them on our side. Don’t get into a tiff with Bebe which weakens Israel’s resolve and proves to the Angry Iranian that he can do anything he wants with Israel’s hands tied. Make it clear to the other leaders of the world that backing Iran or not condemning them for doing the unthinkable would have grave consequences on trade, finance and balance of power. But that takes L E A D E R S H I P. And all Bozo wanted to do, for a whole year, was shove a Health Care plan down the throats of the American people that they didn’t want in the first place when he could have been addressing this most important piece of foreign policy.
Short of that, when all else has failed, give Iran a timetable for backing down. If they don’t keep it, BOOM.

Upon Further Review

August 17th, 2010
2:26 pm

Normal wrote:

Upon Further Review

If the mosque violates the same zoning issue it should be stopped as well
_________________________

*** Right — or violates any other city ordinance.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
2:28 pm

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
1:56 pm
if we are at war with islam they sure
aren’t fielding much of an army out
of around 1.5 billion members.
__________________________________________________

The vast majority of the 1.5 billion know what the end of the war would look like. They prefer to take over America from within. Less casualties and all the rewards.

paleo neo-Carlinist Herman Walker Bush ver. 1.0

August 17th, 2010
2:30 pm

Upon Further, just so we’re clear, being a Muslim (or Greek Orthodox) is not a violation of New York City code. whereas, being a Muslim (or Greek Orthodox) is very much in line with the First Amendment (a/k/a the “code” of the United States of America).

Normal

August 17th, 2010
2:31 pm

Oh Happy Day

August 17th, 2010
2:17 pm

Reid’s just trying to get re-elected, is all, so he’s pandering. But if he get re-elected, he will be the “old” Reid again…you betcha…

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
2:32 pm

Reid is just attempting to garner votes and hopefully he is too late.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
2:33 pm

kayaker 71

Said it before and I’ll say it again. You have all the answers, so how come you’re not running for Office?

killerj

August 17th, 2010
2:34 pm

Looks like the tea parties are making there mark,”oh”, excuse me “the grass roots movement” from the left wing all knowing like the fat ass on fox news yesterday,looked like a real hard working bee,have another piece of cake honey,your kinds next.

kayaker 71

August 17th, 2010
2:35 pm

Normal,

Too damned old. I’ll leave that to Newt.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 17th, 2010
2:36 pm

Sorry killer. Your boy Imam Obama The Grand Ayetollah/Poobah is going DOWN!!

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
2:37 pm

Former US ambassador to the UN John Bolton said he didn’t see “any signs whatsoever that President Obama would make the necessary decision” to strike Iran’s nuclear reactor, speaking in an interview with Israel Radio Tuesday.

Bolton claimed Israel has only three days to strike before Russia “begins the fueling process for the Bushehr reactor this Friday,” after which any attack would cause radioactive fallout that could reach as far as the waters of the Persian Gulf.

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
2:38 pm

ihftgaihth 2:28 i really don’t know why they would
want the debt but we’re really not doing much
with it….if they form a party and get the votes
they could elect a president and a majority
in congress….

Union

August 17th, 2010
2:39 pm

i like islam.. they can smack woman around when they step out of place..

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
2:40 pm

It would make me happy if the Muslims and Christians would wipe each other of the face of the Earth….God Bless!

paleo neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
2:42 pm

kayaker71, excuse the play on words, but you’re up the river without a paddle.

“what would you do to challenge Iran’s plan to build nuclear warheads”? Nothing. they’re doing so to “challenge” us to a dual we cannot win.

Think they’ll sell them to the highest bidder? Think one of these babies are headed for the good Old USA. What would you do? Would you challenge Iran with watered down sanctions that have done li

so, we’re suppose to wonder “what if?” Iran gets a nuke, and “what if?” they sell it, and “what if?” it ends up in the USA?

Know what Islam calls this? WEAKNESS. and you know his because of your devout Muslim faith, or your intimate knowledge of how Muslims think? Thanks.

They are laughing behind Bozo’s back wondering how the most powerful nation on earth could elect so inept a leader.

Again, how do you know what the Iranians are doing? sounds to me like Glenn Beck, and Newt Gingerich and Sarah Palin are telling you “they are laughing” and being incapable of critical thinking, and withour ANY evidence to suggest otherwise (kinda like your faith in god), you accept these ruminations as “fact”.

Remember JFK? He was a pretty ineffective president but at least he had the balls to call their bluff. Result? No warheads 90 miles off of our southern shore.

Yeah, and he also wanted to get out of Vietnam and somebody called his (non) bluff.

Instead of sucking up to Islam, Bozo should have made #1 priority to stop Iran.

…because Iran wants to build nuclear warheads at the Cordoba Community Center… is that the right answer?

Stop playing diplomat. How do you know Obama has not given Iran an ultimatum? Oh, that’s right, he calls you (or does he text?) to spitball his major foreign policy and national security issues.

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
2:43 pm

DebbieDoRight
August 17th, 2010
12:35 pm

I stand corrected, I consider myself an independent with a few degrees off the perpendicular to the right. I look at those you mentioned excluding Cheney and Gingrich as entertainers, The others are nothing more than talking heads. Palin scares me.

At the Switch

August 17th, 2010
2:46 pm

Debbi, just change your name to Debbiedoleft

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
2:48 pm

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
2:38 pm
ihftgaihth 2:28 i really don’t know why they would
want the debt but we’re really not doing much
with it….if they form a party and get the votes
they could elect a president and a majority
in congress….
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Can you say “2008″

kayaker 71

August 17th, 2010
2:50 pm

I’m here from the Government,

Opportunities missed, severely missed. Bozo let this one slip by without firing a shot. The Angry Iranian knew he would. There was little doubt. He taunted us at the UN while most of the Islamic delegations laughed. Did you see the tapes? Bozo needed to get the rest of the Muslim world to condemn Iran. He should have pulled Egypt’s foreign aid (2B), Jordan 228M, GAZA 150M and Liberia 89M if they didn’t cooperate. Bring Saudi Arabia on board and demand their help instead of kissing Faisal’s butt. The other Islamic nations really do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons because of the imbalance of power, especially oil rich Saudi Arabia with virtually no defense except that which we provide for them.
Bozo just gave them a pass and it will be the gift that keeps on giving. Just one more Muslim threat to deal with. Bolton has been saying this for years and Bozo has ignored him and all others like him.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
2:50 pm

Enter your comments here

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
2:51 pm

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
2:40 pm
It would make me happy if the Muslims and Christians would wipe each other of the face of the Earth….God Bless!
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This is not our first rodeo, plus we’ve already kick the sand-ni@@ers asses during the Crusades. Have you ever wondered why they live in the desert?

Mike K

August 17th, 2010
2:53 pm

@Agnostic Angie
“It would make me happy if the Muslims and Christians would wipe each other of the face of the Earth….God Bless!”

Yeah – religious people are way more violent and intolerant than agnostic folks like you.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
2:55 pm

Blago jury signals it may be close to wrapping

Who the hell can afford to sit on a jury for 15 days?

Blago is jail bound. IMHO

kayaker 71

August 17th, 2010
2:56 pm

paleo neo-carlinist,

No, I don’t have any insight except common sense and keeping up with the news, just like you. Ultimatum? Bozo isn’t capable of an ultimatum. He doesn’t have the balls. The Angry Iranian would only laugh at him.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
2:58 pm

If they really do this, they will be playing into the Talibans arms with big wet kisses….It will become more terrorists recruiting propaganda. Don’t you get it, letting them build the Community Center/Mosque says “We are not afraid”. The people who oppose this are so afraid, they are wetting themselves.

NEW YORK — New York Governor David Paterson plans to discuss relocating a proposed Muslim cultural center and mosque to a less emotionally charged location farther away from New York City’s “Ground Zero” site of the September 11 attacks.

“We are working with the developers,” Paterson’s spokeswoman Maggie McKeon said. “There have not been any formal discussions between the governor, the imam or the developer. However, we expect to have a meeting scheduled in the near future.”

U.S. Representative Peter King of New York said he discussed the issue with Paterson on Tuesday and the governor told him he would meet this week with Muslim officials to discuss providing state funds to help the center find another location.

The project, planned for two blocks from the site of the September 11, 2001, attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center towers and killed close to 3,000 people, has stirred a national debate over whether the Muslim center should be constructed there.

“If everyone steps back and looks at this, it really is in everyone’s best interest in doing it … especially the Muslim community, to show that they are serious about building bridges and that they are not just trying to make a statement by having a mosque built over Ground Zero,” King said.

King told Reuters that would like to see the cultural center and mosque built, but at a location that is away from the site of the September 11 attacks. The current proposed location would reopen too many wounds, he said.

“It’s just opening an old wound and pouring salt into it,” he added.

Representatives of the project, called the Cordoba House, could not be immediately be reached for comment on Tuesday. A 13-story building has been planned to house a prayer space, auditorium, swimming pool and meeting rooms.

President Barack Obama entered the fray on Friday, saying that he supported the right of Muslims to build there. Amid political backlash a day later, the president said he was commenting on religious freedom, not the exact location of the mosque.

With Republicans trying to wrest control of Congress from Obama’s Democrats, and facing a tough re-election battle of his own, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid broke with the president over the issue on Monday, saying the mosque should be built elsewhere.

Hankie Aron

August 17th, 2010
2:59 pm

I love how Cynthia is NOT on the offensive against Harry Reid for disagreeing with Obama, Granny Godzilla, care to weigh in?

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
3:02 pm

Thanks a VET!

www . youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KTb6qdPu8JE

Peadawg

August 17th, 2010
3:03 pm

” love how Cynthia is NOT on the offensive against Harry Reid for disagreeing with Obama”

Of course not. It’s ok if you’re a Democrat.

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:07 pm

Christianity is for cowards!

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
3:09 pm

ObamaLIES Again!

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Georgia scientists say their analysis shows that most of that BP oil the government said was gone from the Gulf of Mexico is still there.

The scientists say as much as 80 percent of the oil still lurks under the surface. The Georgia team said it is a misinterpretation of data to claim that oil that is dissolved is actually gone. The report from University of Georgia and other scientists came from an analysis of federal estimates.

Earlier this month federal scientists said that only about a quarter of the oil remained and the rest was either removed, dissolved or dispersed.
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August 16, 2010 06:33 PM EDT

Any similarities to Bush’s Intel regarding IRAQ?

TaxPayer

August 17th, 2010
3:09 pm

Has Newt started courting Sarah yet. After all, he is still married, isn’t he.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
3:10 pm

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:07 pm
Christianity is for cowards!
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Shall I buy you a one-way ticket to IRAN?

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 17th, 2010
3:11 pm

TaxPayer

August 17th, 2010
3:09 pm
Has Newt started courting Sarah yet. After all, he is still married, isn’t he.
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Never, never under-estimate the POWER of THE BUSH aka TRIANGLE!

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
3:15 pm

ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE – The deadly suicide bombing outside a Baghdad army headquarters won’t halt Iraq’s transition to democracy — or the U.S. troop withdrawal, the White House said Tuesday.

So GLAD Truman and Roosevelt didn’t do the same thing. We’d all be speaking German-Japanese today.

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:16 pm

Praying for the rapture! Hee-Hee…

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:16 pm

Forgive me, for I know not that I am a babbling idiot in need of a lobotomy

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
3:17 pm

ihftgaihth 2:48 but i thought the winner in 2008 was financed
by $50 and under donations from the internet…are you saying
the muslims made these donations..that would mean they
know how to use the internet and could do it again, i doubt it..

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:20 pm

I hate Christianity because its trendy

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:20 pm

I hate Christianity because I’m trendy

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:21 pm

How flattering, I have a name-jacker. Anywho, here’s a joke…Q. Why do you never want to date a neocon?
A. Because they always say they’re going to pull out and they never do.

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:22 pm

Christianity is for impotent queers

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
3:22 pm

barking frog
August 17th, 2010
3:17 pm

ihftgaihth 2:48 but i thought the winner in 2008 was financed
by $50 and under donations from the internet…are you saying
the muslims made these donations..that would mean they
know how to use the internet and could do it again, i doubt it..
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We disagree! What’s new! Who do you think bin Laden would have voted for in 2008? A Muslim Community Organizer or an American War Hero?

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:25 pm

I’m definitely trendy and hot!

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:25 pm

Q. Why do I make fun of Christianity

A. Because I’m a hypocrite. See I say Im agnostic because I grew up in a dogmatically Christian household with overbearing parents and I think the Christianity is the only religion with tenants and dogma. Since I am not open minded and yet call myself tolerant I stick up for every OTHER religion without truly understanding THEIR tenants. Truth be told, I support Islam and advocate raping and stoning adulteress women. Sounds like fun. Sign me up. BTW stop laughing I can hear you all

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
3:26 pm

ihftgaihth 3:22 He would not have had that choice.

Normal

August 17th, 2010
3:26 pm

I’m here from the government and I’m here to help

August 17th, 2010
3:15 pm

Your mental leaps are quite fantastic. Do you take anything for that?

If you knew anything about the Middle East, you would know that the only thing keeping them from killing each other off earlier, is the presence of our troops. When we leave, and we must, the killing will start for real and won’t end until Iran has sucked the life out of Iraq.

We never should have invaded Iraq. Saddam might have been a bad man, but he won’t be able to hold a candle to the men that will come along. Then it will be time to be afraid. Iran and nukes? a given. It will be the “Good Old Days” all over again. MAD…Mutual Assured Destruction. Shoulda kept the Devil we knew and controlled….

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:27 pm

I am apparently a self professed “Progressive” who believes in religious persecution of Christians and make derogatory comments about the homosexual population. See my above post where I used the word “queer.”

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:28 pm

Wonder why I’m single?

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:31 pm

When I watch Roman movies, I always root for the lions to eat all the Christians!

Really

August 17th, 2010
3:31 pm

Because I’m jealous that I never get eaten ; )

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:36 pm

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:40 pm

Time to pray to the sky-cloud diety!

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:41 pm

Look at all the Christians so full of love for their fellow man.

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:47 pm

I cheered while watching Mel Gibson’s snuff flick…”The Passion of the Christ”

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:50 pm

I’m filled with bitterness. Maybe it would stop if I was even handed with all religions. My hate for Christianity highlights my love for Islam.

Paul

August 17th, 2010
3:52 pm

I didn’t want to take the time to review nearly 700 comments. So… has anyone touched on the fact that the thread’s all about intolerant Republicans, yet Sen Harry Reid said it was very obvious the mosque should be built somewhere else? Or that after Pres Obama was pressed on the issue he said he wouldn’t comment on it? So much for ringing endorsements of religious freedom and tolerance from two top Democrats….

paleo neo-Carlinist

August 17th, 2010
3:52 pm

kayaker71, first rule of neo-Carlinism; don’t believe ANYTHING your hear/read in “the news”. 2nd rule; don’t publish the box score until the last out is recorded and the game has ended. 3rd rule; (from Charles Schwab) past performance does not guarantee future results. believe it or not, there is a lot of stuff that goes down behind closed doors that we never hear about. remember Iran-Contra? the wisdom of the policy aside, we didn’t know about it until years after. rememeber the Manhattan Project? FDR didn’t give progress reports on our efforts to develop an atomic weapon during his “fireside chats”. you may judge Obama as “weak” but as with the mosque, your opinion doesn’t really matter, and the fact that you admit you have formed it via “the news” doesn’t help your case, either.

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:55 pm

name-jacker, let me repeat all religion is for the weak-minded, godspeed!

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
3:59 pm

My real name is Jesse “the Body” Ventura

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
4:10 pm

If fear-mongering were a Olympic sport, Southern Baptist’ would sweep the medals…..

Agnostic Angie

August 17th, 2010
4:18 pm

I forgot my Haldol and Abilify. Please excuse me while I smear the walls

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I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
4:33 pm

Normal
Saddam might have been a bad man
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I now know enough about you that’s all I needed to know!!!

BTW, what size burka do you wear?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

barking frog
August 17th, 2010
3:26 pm

ihftgaihth 3:22 He would not have had that choice
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Nice dodge! Would you like some bread with your kook-aid?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
4:37 pm

The GOP’s new McCarthyism against Muslims « The Islamic Workplace
August 17th, 2010
4:32 pm

[...] Rick Scott, trying to win the GOP primary for governor of Florida, has an ad attacking President Obama for supporting the Cordoba Initiative’s right to build a mosque two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center. What in the world does that issue have to do with being Florida’s governor? [more] [...]
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Simply guilt by association. Get used to it cause Republicans will be pounding it all the way back into control. :)

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
4:38 pm

…and ctucker remains silent and world was good! :)

Paul

August 17th, 2010
5:02 pm

Awaiting moderation at 4:51 – why?

Avenger

August 17th, 2010
10:00 pm

Carlinist. You must remember that a lot of old farts have nothing to to but sit around reading the news and making up things after forgetting what they read.

Lil' Barry Bailout

August 18th, 2010
7:38 am

Oopsies, looks like some of your Democrat fellow travelers are the new McCarthyites now…Harry Reid says the mosque should be built somewhere else!

Lil' Barry Bailout

August 18th, 2010
7:46 am

More of the Idiot Messiah’s “Recovery Summer”:

US Says Bankruptcies Reach Nearly 5-Year High

U.S. bankruptcy filings have reached the highest level since 2005, government data released on Tuesday show, as the economy slows and the unemployment rate hovers just below double digits.

There were 422,061 bankruptcy filings between April and June, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts, up 9 percent from 388,148 in the prior three-month period, and up 11 percent from 381,073 a year earlier.

buck@gon

August 18th, 2010
8:25 am

Cynthia,

Your harpy-like squawking over this issue is just ruinous to your own perceived logic. For years the left has shrilly whined about US imperialism (especially one Jay Bookman). Now that we see Islamic imperialism, suddenly it’s all the GOP’s fault.

Good for you and your readers that most Americans think the GOP is entirely correct in what they’re doing–good thing for Harry Reid that he has come out on OUR side as well!

Cynthia, you are a nincompoop.

Leon Van Gelderen

August 18th, 2010
8:56 am

II disagree with Obaqma and Cynthisa Tucker’s position on the Ground Zero Mosque because any one who thinks that you need 15 stories to build a Mosque is totally ignorant to the real purpose behind this proposal. Muslim Mosques are built to be seen from afar and as evidence of a conquest. Why the need for 15 stories and in a building directly hit as part of a Muslim attack on an American financial landmark?

Just go to Israel you see examples of this everywhere. My favorite analogy that I know personally was built to be evidence of a conquest is in the Jewish quarter in Jerusalem Only recently the elaborate and ornate Hurva synagogue was rebuilt as on of the tallest buildings in the old city with a magnificent dome. The synagogue was destroyed twice since the 1700s by Muislims. and what is next door – a mosque and spire . Too small for a service and rarely used. In 1948 the synagogue was blown up by Arabs after the old city was made “judenfee.” so what memorializes this series of conquests in ther name of Allah? an unused mosque.
And guess what the Arab reaction to rebuilding the synagogue they destroyed in 1948- a protest and claims it was a provocation and attempt to story Al Aqsa Mosque almost a half mile away. So where is there sensitivity and tolerance???????????
And guess what Imam Rauf said in australia in 2004 when he waws off the State Department dole? That the US and Christians were also terrorists for killing civilians in World War II and that Muslims do not commit such horrific acts. Isn’t that the justification for the 9/11 attack?

Let’s see where the money for this 15 story monument really comes from – I am sure it is not from American Muslims. I challenge the President to have Homeland urity expose the true donors of this multi million dollar monument.

So is this really a constitutionally protected exercise of religion or something else?. How about a 15 story Japanese religious shrine at Pearl Harbor? “

too tall trucker

August 18th, 2010
9:20 am

CT is like Jimmy Carter, the older she gets the more demented. CT, YOU are the racist, YOU are the intolerant one, YOU are the one that tries to blindly stir up emotions with your unsubstantiated claims, your assumption that others are “expoiting”. If folks don’t agree with you they are exploiting the issue? BO is shwoing himself to be just another wishy washy south side Chicago politician, who just happens to be HALF black. But your blind adherence to him and the naive opinion that even the evil in this world will go away if we all just play nice will, if left unchecked, find you in a position where you will no longer be able to express your opinions openly, no matter how biased they are.

Ahilq

August 18th, 2010
1:37 pm

Imam refuses to reveal source of funding for the mosque.
70% of people polled are against the mosque being built in that particular location.
Our beloved POTUS screws up talking points within a 24 hour period
The Majority Leader from Nevada, a liberal DEM, *GASP* is against the location site of the mosque
Now, the imam refuses to meet the Gov. of NY for dialogue on the issue. I thought the imam was all about normalizing relations witht the west and being tolerant and sensitive.

What a joke.

Hakim Shaheed

August 18th, 2010
2:53 pm

Many have no idea of Islam and Muslims. The best thing that can be said is that these very things going on right now are in the Quran. There will be people who will lead many astray for political and financial reasons to the hellfire. The CREATOR has given the republican party permission to do what it is doing. It is HIS plan and HE is the best of planners.

C. A. Clark

August 22nd, 2010
3:16 pm

Anyone been to New York? There are strip clubs closer to ground zero than the proposed community center (which is “not” a mosque). Moreover, there is an existing mosque closer to ground zero than the proposed center.

There is also a Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbor. Doesn’t anyone understand the significance and relevance?

Disappointed

August 23rd, 2010
2:25 pm

I am absolutely disappointed with many of the comments posted. I was born in the US to Iranian parents and was raised Muslim. I have always been proud to call myself an American. As a population made up of diverse cultures, races, and ethnicities, I thought we as Americans would be supportive of each other. Islam is a religion of peace. Unfortunantely, the small percentage of radicals has marred Islam’s image. I would hope, however, that my fellow Americans would not choose this moment to forget that our great country was built on the principle of religious freedom. Many of the colonists came to the New World to escape religoius persecution. Yet here we are centuries later doing the very thing we vowed to fight. Let’s put our weapons down and support each other. Let us show the world that we are not the imperialist, ignorant pigs they call us, but a country that fights for what is right, no matter the cost. Let us not forget the men and women who have died for us protecting our freedoms. Let us not forget that those soldiers who died came from a variety of backgrounds, but all fought for a common cause. Let us stand and show the world our tolerance and respect for one another. If we can’t do that, than what are we really. I for one will continue to respect my fellow Americans.

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