Russian government sees harsh evidence of global warming

While the U.S. remains embroiled in a mind-boggling feud over whether climate change is real, Russia has warmed up to the scientific evidence. “Everyone is talking about climate change now,” President Dmitri A. Medvedev told the Russian Security Council this month. “Unfortunately, what is happening now in our central regions is evidence of this global climate change, because we have never in our history faced such weather conditions in the past.”

Russia’s leaders have usually played the role of obstructionists in global talks about climate change because they thought that combatting it would harm their economic growth (where have we heard that before?) and because they believed that they would benefit from a warming planet. The vast stretch of frozen-over Siberia, they believed, would turn into a pleasant region of moderate temperature, ripe for agriculture and development.
But this summer changed their minds. The costs of climate change have been horrendous. Russia has suffered a devastating drought, and they’re still struggling to put out wildfires. From McClatchy:

Russia’s heat wave, along with its disastrous fallout, finally may have persuaded the Kremlin to combat climate change.

Russian officials, who until now have resisted dramatic action out of fears it would dampen economic growth, lately have issued strong statements linking global warming to the emergency Russia is facing. Some hope the abrupt change of tune will result in more effective environmental policies, even after the smog dies down.

“There is no question that we need to get ahead of climate change,” said Vladimir Slivyak, a co-chair of Ecodefense, a grassroots Russian environmental group. “This is a wake-up call.”

The crisis, which seems to have taken the Kremlin by surprise, features a fierce and unremitting heat wave that’s now well into its second month, a drought that’s ruined as much as a third of the vitally important grain crop and a wave of seemingly uncontrollable wildfires that have blanketed half of European Russia, including the capital Moscow, in a cloud of smoke.

Russia’s state meteorological service said smog conditions in Moscow have eased from a Saturday peak, but the Ministry of Emergency Services warned that Moscow-region fires have tripled size in the past week, spreading from 65 to 210 hectares. Meanwhile, an average of 700 people are dying per day in Moscow, double the average rate, which health officials blamed on the smog.

“Our country has not experienced such a heat wave in the last 50 or even 100 years,” Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said last week in a speech published in English on the Kremlin’s website. “We need to learn our lessons from what has happened, and from the unprecedented heat wave that we have faced this summer.

Russia isn’t the only place where the extremes caused by climate change are in evidence. Yesterday, The New York Times offered a round-up:

The summer’s heat waves baked the eastern United States, parts of Africa and eastern Asia, and above all Russia, which lost millions of acres of wheat and thousands of lives in a drought worse than any other in the historical record.

Seemingly disconnected, these far-flung disasters are reviving the question of whether global warming is causing more weather extremes.

The collective answer of the scientific community can be boiled down to a single word: probably.

“The climate is changing,” said Jay Lawrimore, chief of climate analysis at the National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. “Extreme events are occurring with greater frequency, and in many cases with greater intensity.”

He described excessive heat, in particular, as “consistent with our understanding of how the climate responds to increasing greenhouse gases.”

Theory suggests that a world warming up because of those gases will feature heavier rainstorms in summer, bigger snowstorms in winter, more intense droughts in at least some places and more record-breaking heat waves. Scientists and government reports say the statistical evidence shows that much of this is starting to happen.

Here in metropolitan D.C., in addition to a searing heat wave, we’ve enduring a summer of violent, freakish thunder storms that have downed trees, caused flooding and cost lives.

Do scientists have absolute proof the freakish weather has been caused by climate change? No. Does that theory best fit the facts? Yes.

520 comments Add your comment

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
7:29 am

we ignore climate change at our own risk.

or worse at the risk of our children.

Joel

August 16th, 2010
7:32 am

Well, now that Russia is on board with global warming so am I!!!

TaxPayer

August 16th, 2010
7:38 am

Haven’t you heard. Mr. Inhofe, the GOP’s expert on climate change, has declared that as long as there is snow, there can be no global warming. I believe he even declared that we are in the midst of a cyclical global cooling period. hehehe

Eric

August 16th, 2010
7:46 am

TayPayer: What happened to all the ice storms we used to have in Atlanta through the 1970s? They’ve disappeared, which is local proof (enough) of climate change, don’t you think?

One place we start in the U.S. is the curb our society’s appetite for all things new, such as consumer electronics (which we discard so often in favor of the next, but unnecessary version of Microsoft, Blackberry, etc.), which surely takes its toll on the environment.

dougmo2

August 16th, 2010
7:46 am

Global warming is a fruad, the only person who really cares about it is Al Gore. BTW he has become a millionare off of all of the drival and crap being produced by “the sky is falling crowd.”

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
7:52 am

Granny G’s rule #4

The “My excrement has no aroma” Hypothesis.

Only the massive conservative ego can think man has no negative impact on the environment.

That size ego leaves no room for intellect.

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
8:01 am

In other news:
ttp://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2010/08/16/new-record-set-for-metro-atlanta-foreclosures/
“New record set for metro Atlanta foreclosures”

Hopey changey baby!!! :roll:

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 16th, 2010
8:07 am

Due to global climate change I overslept this morning and was a little late for work this morning.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
8:07 am

For some reason my blogs are not going thru, let’s try this again: When we can’t get a consensus from our weathermen on what the weather will be next weekend, does it surprise you we can’t get a consensus from our scientists on global warmer/cooling. Stay tuned for the next report.

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
8:10 am

T-Town @ 8:07

HaHa! Very true!!!!

OMG

August 16th, 2010
8:11 am

OH NO. Not the “we ignore global warming at the cost of our children” line. It’s strange we don’t hear that coming from the left with regards to leaving our children outrageous debt so we can have the things we didn’t plan for, work for, prepare for, or earn.

andygrd

August 16th, 2010
8:11 am

The Comment Line: “Russian government sees harsh evidence of global warming”. The hot topic of the day…

However, the sale of nuclear material to Iran by the Russians was over looked……. I guess not a hot topic….. I guess below says it all…….

Gallup Poll – WASHINGTON, D.C. — Americans continue to express near-record-low confidence in newspapers and television news — with no more than 25% of Americans saying they have a “great deal” or “quite a lot” of confidence in either. These views have hardly budged since falling more than 10 percentage points from 2003-2007. No matter the cause, it is clear the media as a whole are not gaining new fans as they struggle to serve and compete with growing demand for online news, social media, and mobile platforms. The Pew Project for Excellence in Journalism’s annual report on the State of the News Media, released in March, found for a third straight year, only digital and cable news sources growing in popularity, while network news, local news, and newspaper audiences shrink. These findings align with a similar 2008 Gallup poll that found cable and Internet news sources growing in popularity while all others held steady or declined.

Oh well…. The Russians are our friends,,, so the sell nuclear material to Iran……. That will really warm up the Globe……hehehehehehe

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:15 am

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
8:16 am

Oh, and Houston just had it’s first recorded summer without breaking 100 degress…global cooling is coming global cooling is coming!

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
8:17 am

I will not change my lifestyle one iota over “climate change”. So it’s moot

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

August 16th, 2010
8:17 am

That the climate is changing, there is no doubt. It has been changing since the big bang started the universe. The debate is whether or not the change is man made and whether or not the working people of the USA should be taxed because of the changing climate. Most liberals believe man caused “global warming” and people should be taxed so we can “fix” the problem,most sane people do not.

Bob

August 16th, 2010
8:20 am

No debate about climate change from the right. We know the climate has been in constant change throughout the history of the world. At one point the entire planet was covered in ice, think of what life would be without climate change. Cynthia, why is ice covered Greenland called Greenland ? Was it once green enough to possibly raise crops ? If so, maybe the optimum temps should be the higher ones that allowed the farming of what is now a sheet of ice.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:22 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
7:29 am

That, or reelecting Imam Obama.

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
8:22 am

Exactly, chin ho..if climate change was man made , we would never have been in the 2.5 billion year period of glaciation and de glaciation since the end of snowball earth. it’s a pattern..roughly 10K years of de glaciation(were in and cioming to the end of the current one) then 125K years of glaciation.

People are so self important, they think they can change the planet..wrong..the planet will shrug you the F off when and if it feels like it..she is a tough old b*tch.

tscali

August 16th, 2010
8:24 am

ct suffers from munchausen syndrome.

NYTimes: “Does Russia hold hostage the future of a carbon cap-and-trade system that many experts see as a critical tool for curbing global greenhouse gases? Improbable as it may seem, the answer appears to be yes.”

“That is because Russia, as a result of the collapse of much of its heavy industry in the 1990s, owns one of the largest stocks of credits to offset carbon emissions.”

“The unearned windfall, a legacy of the Kyoto agreement that tried to deal with the threat of climate change, is worth several billion dollars. If abruptly sold abroad, those credits could send the price of carbon on the world’s fragile emissions markets plunging toward zero.”

Top priority

August 16th, 2010
8:25 am

I reckon global warming will be a “top priority” like all the others:

FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS: “…that’s something that’s going to be a top priority.” (4/27/10)

ENERGY SECURITY: “And that’s why my energy security plan has been one of the top priorities of my Administration since the day I took office.” (4/28/10)

EDUCATION REFORM: “To train our workers for the jobs of tomorrow, we’ve made education reform a top priority in this Administration.” (2/24/10)

STUDENT LOAN REFORM: “This is something that I’ve made a top priority.” (2/1/10)

EXPORTS BY SMALL BUSINESSES: “This is going to be a top priority.” (12/3/09)

HEALTH ASSISTANCE TO 9/11 FIRST RESPONDERS: “I’m not just talking the talk, we’ve been budgeting this as a top priority for this Administration.” (2/3/10)

END HOMELESSNESS AMONG VETERANS: “I’ve also directed (Veterans Affairs) Secretary Shinseki to focus on a top priority: reducing homeless among veterans.” (8/17/09)

HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS: “Our top priority is ensuring the public safety. That means appropriate sheltering in place or if necessary, getting as many people as possible out of harm’s way prior to landfall.” (5/29/09)

H1N1 FLU VACCINATIONS: “And throughout this process, my top priority has been the health and the safety of the American people.” (5/1/09)

SUPPORT FOR MILITARY FAMILIES: “These military families are heroes too. And they are a top priority of Michelle and me. And they will always have our support.” (5/30/09)

STRENTHENING TIES WITH CANADA AND MEXICO: “We’re going to make this a top priority…” (10/16/09)

CONSUMER PROTECTION: “During these challenging times, the needs of American consumers are a top priority of my Administration.” (2/11/09)

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION: “So this is going to be a top priority generally improving our environmental quality.” (11/5/09)

John

August 16th, 2010
8:26 am

CT – You are an expert on everything! From civil liberties law to the science of meteorology, you are all-knowing and benevolent. We are truly lucky to live in your time.

Riddle me this Einstein. Why is California in the midst of one of their coolest summers ever? Same question for South America abnd Australia too.

The truth is you don’t know jack. You really ought to limit your “writings” to the only things in which you have first hand-knowledge, such as affirmative action.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:27 am

TaxPayer
August 16th, 2010
7:38 am

And just what would the libs expert, Al Gore, say on the matter? You’ll have to wait until he’s done with his massage to ask him.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:27 am

John asks….

Why is California in the midst of one of their coolest summers ever? Same question for South America abnd Australia too.

Could it be that their climate is changing…….?

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:30 am

John
August 16th, 2010
8:26 am

You know the left lunatic fringe is getting desperate when then start including Russia’s position on something to make their case.

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
8:30 am

At obamamotors, socialism is job 1!

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:32 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
8:27 am

So when “global warming” didn’t stick, the left lunatic fringe changed it to an all encompassing “climate change”. This way, if the temps where you live are 5 degrees above normal, or if it’s 5 degrees below normal, they go you covered with “climate change”. My how convenient.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:35 am

Homey D. Clown

Love your new name today, to bad it’s attached to the same stale old piffle.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:36 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
8:35 am

Nice dodge, but it didn’t work. Speaking of the “same stal old piffle”, I have two words for you – global warming.

OMG

August 16th, 2010
8:37 am

Two weeks ago the super smart scientists told us that human ancestors did not use tools until about 2 million years ago. One of them finds a stone in the middle of the desert with a couple of scratches on it. Now they tell us we used tools 3.4 million years ago. They were only off by about 1.5 million years.

Scientists desire to get published. They don’t get published unless they challenge the accepted norm. New scientific facts are simply theories that fit known conditions and cannot be immediately refuted. They can write the story however they desire. The “facts” do not have to be proven just withstand being immediately dis-proved by other known facts.

Do we really want to change our entire way of life based on the latest scientific theory? 10 years from now, they may find another rock in the desert. There is simply too much evidence that these scientists are working an agenda. Let’s get some researchers who work for profit to do the research. Current research is done by people whose livelihood comes from grants from the government. Politicians decide who get the grants. Politicians have agendas therefore it is in the scientists self serving interests to give the politicians what they want. The system is compromised.

This just in ...

August 16th, 2010
8:37 am

It gets hot during the summer season! Oh, that’s not news, it’s been happening for a long time. I bet it will be cold in Russia during the winter season.

@ Top priority – good post. I was wondering how many others had noticed how many top priorities this administration has. No wonder they can’t get anything done. If you try to be great at everything you end up being good at nothing!

tscali

August 16th, 2010
8:37 am

Organized Crime & Corruption Reporting Project: “The European Commission last week proposed allowing governments more leeway in how they collect value-added tax (VAT), to cut down on VAT fraud that costs taxpayers billions of dollars every year.”

“The fraud occurs when criminals import goods into a country, VAT free, and then sell them to domestic buyers, charging them VAT. The crooks then disappear with the VAT money and don’t pay the government a dime. Fraudsters usually focus on small but expensive goods – cell phones and computer chips for example – but in August, British authorities arrested nine people for using carbon credits to defraud the government out of $63 million. Similar concerns prompted France to exempt carbon credit sales from VAT in June.”

How low can he go.....

August 16th, 2010
8:38 am

O FALLS TO NEW LOW AT GALLUP DAILY…

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:39 am

Homey D. Clown

Your’s however is not an effective doidge. By creating multiple new personalities you dishonestly create addiditional deniers, and you just look goofy.

You can’t be taken to seriously if you change your name like you change your socks.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:43 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
8:39 am

Aw shucks, looks like I got you rattled. Sorry if the truth hurts. I notice you resorted to the typical left leaning name calling. “Goofy”. My, how original. I wonder how “goofy” one looks with comments like “doidge”, “addiditional” and “taken to seriously”?

Oh, and since you’re interested, I don’t wear socks during the summer. You know, global warming and all that stuff.

Don't forget

August 16th, 2010
8:45 am

Bob

August 16th, 2010
8:20 am
Cynthia, why is ice covered Greenland called Greenland ? Was it once green enough to possibly raise crops ?
——————————————————————————————-
Actually it’s because the Vikings knew how to use marketing to keep themselves safe from invaders. They named Greenland, a harsh and difficult place Greenland and they named Iceland, a fairly moderate climate Iceland. Pretty smart huh?

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:46 am

Is August 16th a liberal’s holiday? I just noticed that most of the posts on Socialist Cindy’s blog seem to be right leaning. Where are the other baiters and name callers?

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
8:46 am

CT, a coupla a three things;

1 – While the U.S. remains embroiled in a mind-boggling feud over whether climate change is real, Russia has warmed up to the scientific evidence. I know this is an “editorial” blog, but my mind is not “boggled”. I know climate change is real. more later.

2 – Russia’s leaders have usually played the role of obstructionists in global talks about climate change because they thought that combatting it would harm their economic growth (where have we heard that before?)

Irony can be ironic, can’t it? Russia’s change of hear is also tied to “economic growth”. Do you think the Russian government (or the US government for that matter) cares about life and death or the survival of the nation, beyond “jobs” and the “economy” (global and local)? as with any crisis (Rahm E?), climate change is “real” but it offers a great opportunity for political (financial) gain on a smaller scale, but “economic growth” nonetheless.

3 – “climate change, devastating droughts, and wildfires; OH my!” homo sapiens have battled these things since before the industrial age, and what most have learned is; while saving the planet” makes for good copy on the campaign trail, it remains to be seen if “the Kremlin” – or Al Gore and his lot can actually “combat climate change”. I’ve said this a million times, “winning” the war on “cimate change” is about as likely as winning the “war on terrorism”. both climate change and terrorism (especially the fanatical Islam type” is a fact of life, and the “cover charge” for being around in 2010.

4 – “There is no question that we need to get ahead of climate change,” said Vladimir Slivyak, a co-chair of Ecodefense, a grassroots Russian environmental group. “This is a wake-up call.” Mankind has ALWAYS hit the snooze button.

5 – Meanwhile, an average of 700 people are dying per day in Moscow, double the average rate, which health officials blamed on the smog.

Blame the “deaths” on the smog, balme the smog on the wildfires, and blame the wild fires and the drought and the drought on climate change. you might as well take this back to Genesis; as it will produce the same (deer in headlights) conclusion. Here’s a thought. Perhaps Mother Nature (caps intended) is trying to tell us there are too many people on the planet? Perhaps MN is trying to tell us to stop deforestation?

5 – The summer’s heat waves baked the eastern United States, parts of Africa and eastern Asia, and above all Russia, which lost millions of acres of wheat and thousands of lives in a drought worse than any other in the historical record. See above.

7 – The collective answer of the scientific community can be boiled down to a single word: probably. I think the real questions is; is it too late? neo-Carlinist answer; probably. As I said, we (homo sapines) kill each other at an “alarming” rate. you know what else “threatens” mankind? WAR. does it really matter how we become extinct (the Flat Earth/Rature crowd, aside)?

Justin

August 16th, 2010
8:47 am

To my lib friends- we should smartly minimize the bad stuff we put in the air and on the ground and in landfills. I suggest we don’t continue to institutionalize the issue so that the few (see Jesse Jackson and Al Gore) don’t reap a goodly amount of the benefit.

On another note I trust everyone is seeing that the beloved lib economist Krugman is having his head handed to him on a silver platter. It appears that Germany is doing quite well without massive austerity program- In December 2008 Krugman stated that Germany had their head in the sand. Bush burned our money in wars and Obama is burning more of our money on wasted programs- emphasis on “our”

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:47 am

How low can he go…..he’s still a point higher than Reagan was at the
end of his second year in office…

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
8:50 am

Do you remember:

“With so much in the news about swine flu, also called 2009 pandemic novel influenza A H1N1, it’s wise to know what it is, what you can expect, and how to protect yourself and your loved ones. Empowered patients can use this knowledge to reduce their fear of swine flu.”

“On October 25, 2009 U.S. President Barack Obama officially declared H1N1 a national emergency. “

Was there an epidemic in this country? I didn’t see one. Now I’m not saying we didn’t have a problem with the swine flu, but it’s hard to believe all those scientists who were running around screaming that this was an epidemic……and the swine flu had a mild affect here. Now I ask just who do we believe when it comes to global warming?

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:50 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
8:47 am

And that was Bush’s fault, right?

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:50 am

Homey D. Clown

Rattled? Not hardly. That’s what you always say just before you meltdown and morph into a new identity.

I really do enjoy watching your changes, you’re a regular blog soap opera.

As the name turns….

Gay Blade

August 16th, 2010
8:50 am

You can always count on granny to say something stupid.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:51 am

T-Town
August 16th, 2010
8:50 am

“Now I ask just who do we believe when it comes to global warming?”

Hmm, let’s see. Al Gore or Average Joe Citizen? I’ll take Average Joe Citizen.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:51 am

Homey D. Clown

Reagans approval? I don’t think, so why do you?

That’s silly.

JohnnyReb

August 16th, 2010
8:52 am

The misled who think man can do anything, short of nuclear armageddon, to affect climate change are exceeded only by Obama arrogance.

Pity those who believe the climate can be altered by shifting American wealth into the pockets of CCX and third world countries.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:52 am

Gay Blade

A happy Monday Morning to you too.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:53 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
8:50 am

Thank you, all knowing and all seeing Carnac the Magnificent. Quick, who was I on Friday?

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:54 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
8:51 am

You and the entire left lunatic fringe seem to blame Bush for everything. I was just helping you out.

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
8:55 am

I love Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan is a hero of mine.. bar(ry)ack hussein tarballs obama is NO Ronald Reagan.

a jimmy carter? definatly
a douchebag? probably
a ahole? why not
a socialist? self avowed
re-elected? i don’t see it

MiltonMan

August 16th, 2010
8:55 am

The only Global Warming/Climate Change going on around here is the meltdown mode that the DemoRats are going through. Let’s see it was first called global warming – that did not work. Now it is called Climate Change. First they were called Liberals now they are called Progressives. Granny has a link that does not work! Funny stuff.

Ms. Tucker we are anxious to see your opinion on the Democrats in New Hampshire who went on record stating that they wished Palin was in the plane crash & not Ted Stevens. Thoughts?

CYNT U MUST KEEP UR JOB

August 16th, 2010
8:56 am

CYNT THESE SUPER STUPID REDNECKS DONT BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING,BECAUSE FOX NEWS SAYS IT IS NOT REAL?

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:56 am

Bratty1
August 16th, 2010
8:55 am

You left one out:

an Imam? – mmmmmaybe

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:56 am

barking frog

August 16th, 2010
8:56 am

“Global warming, ironically, can actually increase the amount of snow you get,” said Kevin Trenberth, head of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo. “But it also means the snow season is shorter.” -New York Times

If the planet warms enough I guess we will freeze to death, but we can go out skiing.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:57 am

Homey D Clown

Who were you Friday?

Well you weren’t Homey now were you?

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
8:58 am

MiltonMan
August 16th, 2010
8:55 am

Cindy doesn’t have time for issues like in NH. She’s probably been on the “Charlie Rangel was framed because he’s black” bandwagon

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 16th, 2010
8:58 am

“O FALLS TO NEW LOW AT GALLUP DAILY…”

Oh Happy Day!!

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
8:58 am

Homey D. Clown

Please tell me what the statute of limitations is on driving the country into the ground?

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
8:59 am

2 NOV

Destroy obamas minions in congress, destroy his presidency…

A vote for ANY dem is a vote for everything Obama stands for

WIPE THEM OUT…vote republican or libertarian, or write in yourself..or if left leaning, stay home and don;t bother to vote.After all , the left is saying obama is a fail also..so much so that tubbo Gibbs called them mentally ill.

The State

August 16th, 2010
9:00 am

Give me your wealth or you will all BURN.

Or freeze.

Do not fight. Your wealth is ours.

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
9:01 am

“CCX – Squirel”

Oh geeze. Now Kamhack’s got Granny into the squirrel fetish too.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
9:01 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
8:57 am

Trick question. Actually I didn’t post on Friday. Was out of town for a long weekend. But I did post last week and since you seem to be all knowing, what name did I supposedly post under? Here’s a hint – only occasionally do I visit these Socialist blogs, but I have responded to Cindy and Jay Jay. If I “change names like I change socks” as you claim, just who else was I?

tscali

August 16th, 2010
9:03 am

XIAOXI, China AP – The hydroelectric dam, a low wall of concrete slicing across an old farming valley, is supposed to help a power company in distant Germany contribute to saving the climate — while putting lucrative “carbon credits” into the pockets of Chinese developers.

But in the end the new Xiaoxi dam may do nothing to lower global-warming emissions as advertised. And many of the 7,500 people displaced by the project still seethe over losing their homes and farmland.

“Nobody asked if we wanted to move,” said a 38-year-old man whose family lost a small brick house. “The government just posted a notice that said, ‘Your home will be demolished.’”

The dam will shortchange German consumers, Chinese villagers and the climate itself, if critics are right. And Xiaoxi is not alone.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
9:03 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
8:58 am

I’ll answer your question with a question. How long has Imam Obama been in office? THAT’S what the statute of limitation should be.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
9:04 am

Homey D. Clown

So you just visit us occasionally, and always as Homey D. Clown.

Ok, I’ll accept your word on it.

You are giving your word, right?

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
9:05 am

Homey D. Clown

Iman? That’s goofy.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
9:05 am

Do you remember:

The BP oil disaster of 2010, where the scientists declared that this would have an affect on all the Gulf Coast beaches for years to come? Did we have a problem…Yes…but: “Obama goes for a swim.”

My question: where did the oil slick go? Apparently the scientists don’t believe Mother Nature can take care of herself WHEN she wants to.

Justin

August 16th, 2010
9:05 am

granny godzilla- pls don’t follow suit on the squirrel thing- just a request

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
9:05 am

JohnnyReb, you know, you’re kinda playing right into the hands of the “wealth redistribution” boogey-man. The “stop Climate Change warriors” are not looking to “redistribute” wealth. They’re simply being capitalists. they believe they have made a better mousetrap, so it is in their interests to take their “idea” to market. it’s not “wealth” until it comes to rest in their coffers. I know this may be tough for you to grasp, but in many ways it is not different than Big Oil or Big Energy telling us we need cars, air conditioning and computers (accepted these things make our lives easier – but so would not being dead). So, Big Oil/Big Energy has their ‘experts’ and ‘Big Green’ has theirs. You know (everybody), by Nature (caps intended), Life (caps intended) creates “problems”. I think the “problem” most (on the left and the right) have with the “fighting climate change as policy” is the fact that a handful of “leaders” are suggesting THEY ALONE can fix this, or their solution is “best”. Again, feel free to replace “climate change” with Communism (Cold War), “war on terrorism/homeland security” or even LBJ’s “war on poverty/Great Society”. all these things (Communism, terrorism, poverty, and yes climate change) are very real (and very man-made). the issue as a neo-Carlinist sees it, is; if these things are “man made” what man in his (excuse gender reference, Granny and CT) right mind would think any many (especially a politician or globalist) can offer a “sustainable” solution. It’s like a dairy farmer asking cows how to resolve the manure issue? Does anyone hear think Al Gore, ExxonMobil, or the President of Russian is going to figure out how to stop cows from sh**ing?

ByteMe

August 16th, 2010
9:06 am

I’ve been shunted to the mod queue??!? Heavens to Betsy.

saywhat?

August 16th, 2010
9:06 am

My best guess is that Al Gore foresaw the threat of a resurgent Russia and emergent China. He knew that military confrontation would be too expensive, and too risky in terms of conflict escalating to a nuclear conflagration. So, what did he do? He started by relying on the intransigence and obstinacy of the US conservative mind. He broadcast the findings of climate scientists, man’s influence on the climate changes, and warned about the consequences of following the path we were on. Just as Mr Gore predicted, the rightwingers instantly were provoked into a knee jerk reaction in opposition to whatever it was he had said (not that they even understood any of it, but if it came from Al Gore, it had to be wrong. If he had declared that the American flag was red, white and blue, Republicans would be sponsoring Constitutional amendments right now declaring the US flag was and had always been green, yellow and orange, but I digress). So, true to form, Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians, teatards, or whatever they are calling themselves these days did exactly the opposite of what was needed to combat climate change. They opposed every common sense measure proposed to decrease human contributions to climate change, tried to undo longstanding policy already in place, etc. all the while firmly ignoring all evidence that there was any problem at all.

Fast forward 10 years, and Russia is having massive environmental problems, as are the Chinese, most likely due to man made climate change. Al Gore’s plan is coming to fruition. In another 10 years, the rightwingers will still be unknowingly doing Al Gore’s bidding, and Russia and China will be overwhelmed by new and sundry climate caused disasters. The US and Europe will of course be affected as well, but Mr Gore, (as I do) has faith that American ingenuity will be able to overcome these as they appear.

The final phase of the master plan will happen when Russia and China have collapsed under the weight of domestic disasters. Al Gore will make another movie saying that the world is suffering from human caused global cooling, and that we need to burn more fossil fuels, cut down all trees,, and pollute the air and waters as quickly as possible. Our stalwart right-wingers will rise to the challenge and do exactly the opposite, becoming an unstoppable force for environmentalism, and thereby save the world from destruction.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
9:06 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
9:05 am

No, not Iman. Imam. Stop being so “goofy”.

TaxPayer

August 16th, 2010
9:07 am

Homey,

I can put you in touch with some folks up near Kingston, TN, that would love to sell you some land real cheap. It comes complete with with its own well water.

USMC DAWG

August 16th, 2010
9:07 am

Cynthia,

“Climate Change” has been happening since the beginning of time. ie= “Ice Age” etc.

It is the Narcissistic leftist, like you, who think you can control the Earth’s temperature like a thermostat to satisfy you.

-OF COURSE THE EARTH”S CLIMATE IS “CHANGING”… but it is not George Bush’s fault or the United States’ fault.

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
9:08 am

i thought opbama WAS homey da clown..with those ears and all..omg you mean they are real?

RambleOn84

August 16th, 2010
9:08 am

Yet San Diego and other places on the West Coast have been posting record low temperatures…are they experiencing “global cooling?”

Should we lower taxes on energy used on the West Coast?

Should we encourage residents of San Diego to up their oil consumption, lest their oceans freeze over?

“Climatology” is a pseudo-science financed by oil companies (who would actually see increased profits if oil and other energies were taxed at a higher rate)…real scientists see that the sun has flared up and cooled down hundreds of times.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
9:09 am

saywhat?
August 16th, 2010
9:06 am

I guess Big Al should have spent less time on creating the internet and spent more time pulling a Chicken Little with his “global warming”, “climate change”, or whatever the hell you want to call it scare tactics.

JohnnyReb

August 16th, 2010
9:09 am

Opinion is that exercise of the human will which helps us to make a decision without information. —John Erskine

Climate change science is flawed. Even Gomer knows if you put a temperature mearsuring instrument near concrete, asphalt or an airconditioner condenser, it will read higher than true ambient temperature. But you tree-huggers go ahead and cling.

killerj

August 16th, 2010
9:09 am

?……………………ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,is your air conditioning not working cynthia? how was the concert?

TaxPayer

August 16th, 2010
9:10 am

T-Town,

I can put you in touch with some shrimpers down in LA that will make you a deal of a lifetime on a boat and a dock and a little trailer to live in real cheap. After all, you know there’s no problem with oil. You should go for it.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
9:10 am

Homey D Clown

No matter the correct spelling, calling him that is just plain goofy.

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
9:11 am

If people ..can effect..what the mighty planet..is doing..does this mean…pat robertson was right about haiti?

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
9:11 am

Granny Godzilla….if you are really a “granny”, then you are close to my age….remember all the screaming from the left between 1978 and 1981 that we were in globing cooling? All the press, Democrats,etc. were screaming at the conservatives that we were crazy and the world was going into an ice age….man, you people need a life. The next “disaster” we have, why dont you do some damn research? Do you remember Mt Pinatubo near Clark Air Base in the Phillipines? it blew up with the force of several hundred hydrogen bombs. If you and I had discussed what would have happened if this had been a military exercise, you would have been CONVINCED that the Earth couldn’t stand this force. Same for Mt St Helens. Oil in the gulf is bad, and no one wants that. But we had a little thing called WW 2 that you liberals forget or refuse to acknowledge. The amount of bunker fuel (oil for ships in those days), diesel, high octane fighter fuel, bombs, guns, tanks, etc that were sunk were in the HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of gallons, primarily from the convey routes. (Florida to NY, to Newfoundland, to Scotland) Where the hell is all that now, granny? The only place in the world that I know of is at the Pearl Harbor memorial, because it is KEPT as a memorial. There is global warming, client change, etc. And its natural. Deal with it. We have done more damage to this planet with two world wars that all the other junk you can dream up. And the Earth just keeps chugging away…..

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
9:11 am

TaxPayer
August 16th, 2010
9:07 am

You obviously claim to have contacts in Tennessee and you love Al Gore. Therefore, basic algebra would indicate that post Taxpayer = Al Gore. Did you enjoy your massages.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
9:13 am

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
9:10 am

Would “Comrade Obama” please you more?

saywhat?

August 16th, 2010
9:15 am

Luckily, slow learners like Homey still have 6 more years to learn how to say “President Obama”.

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
9:16 am

obama is first secretary of the communist party of the united states. Democrats!

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
9:16 am

Justin, wake up! The whole “squirrel thing” will end when words like “fair tax” and “birth certificate” and “Obama is a Socialist” are no more. Frankly, I like it. it makes about as much sense as some dingbat yammering about a “fair tax” (no taxes are FAIR). you need to be more like “Harding” (One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest) and… “play the game”.

Gordon

August 16th, 2010
9:17 am

Amazing how everyone is concerned about climate change (as opposed to man-made climate change) and how that might affect future generations, but no one gives a rip about massive debt and how that WILL affect future generations.

TaxPayer

August 16th, 2010
9:17 am

The cons here should be over in the former Soviet Union just scarfing up land on the cheap because they know that once winter sits in and the globe starts cooling back off, they’ll be able to turn a huge profit. Don’t pass up this opportunity of a lifetime, cons. I’ve already invested in the trickle-down philosophy and purchased land up in the mountains. Now it’s your turn to buy up all that lowland in places like Louisiana and Kingston, Tennessee and select locations in Alabama, for starters, where Monsanto went to all the trouble to pre-condition the land with the highest quality PCBs. That stuff strips the skin off a fish in seconds. It just slides right of. And the mercury in the fish helps to improve your metabolism. What a deal.

Homey D. Clown

August 16th, 2010
9:18 am

Oh well, have to leave for the airport. Going to Costa Rica for a week. I fully expect to experience a “climate change” to what I’ve been experiencing.

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
9:18 am

A. gay
B. black
C. Illegal alien
D. socialist

thats about all thats left of obamas coalition…1 and done

Union

August 16th, 2010
9:19 am

Heat waves and more heat waves.. ask one of the climate scientists what happened to the ice age? that was before we were driving or burning.. could global heating be a natural thing? (of course we couldnt run a govt scam if it was)

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
9:21 am

TayPayer, READ: Beaches. I’m sure Obama checked with every living scientist/adviser before he took his daughter in for a swim, but as long as she didn’t eat the scrimp. Now, do you feel better?

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
9:22 am

Have a good flight Homey!..can you bring me back the duffle bag in locker B27 at the san Jose internatioal airport..its uh..just female items you wouldnt want to look inside or anything.

Thanks!

Toodles

Eric Pearson

August 16th, 2010
9:22 am

The right tends to prefer the common man in leadership roles. They like someone to whom they are or at least appear to be superior. Thus their admiration for the likes of Reagan who was showing signs of alzheimers years before he left office, and Bush who was showing signs of stupidity during grade school. They deeply dislike and distrust those who are obviously more intelligent and superior than them in most every way. Thus their current spell of hatred directed at the president. Same thing with Clinton and Carter. Intelligence is a dreaded demon on the right!

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
9:22 am

Just in:

Droughts and famines in Russia and the USSR tended to occur on a fairly regular basis, with famine occurring every 10–13 years and droughts every 5–7 years. (Wikipedia)

This may be the worst one, but it does happen in Russia.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
9:23 am

So when “global warming” didn’t stick, the left lunatic fringe changed it to an all encompassing “climate change”.

Nope.

The phrase “climate change” was coined by propagandist and spinmeister extraordinaire Frank Luntz.

Thanks for playing and please see Vanna for your parting gifts—including Rice-a-Roni—the San Fransisco treat!

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
9:23 am

I thought annonymous unprotected gay sex in a bath house was the san francisco treat?

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
9:25 am

Homey D. Clown

That’s equally as goofy.

Markie Mark

Must be new here, I’ll be a real Granny for the first time in the next two weeks…..if fact sooner if #1’s urge to clean how her kitchen cabinets means what I think it means….

Other than that, the rest of your post is a bit of a angry rant.

Perhaps this will calm you.

From MMA

Titled “O’Reilly fill-in Williams provides platform for global warming misinformation
July 02, 2009 5:57 pm ET”

Moreover, Goldberg’s evocation of 1970s media reports about global cooling falsely suggests that the scientific basis for those reports is equivalent to the current scientific consensus on global warming. A September 2008 article in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society (a peer-reviewed publication) investigated the “pervasive myth” that “there was a consensus among climate scientists of the 1970s that either global cooling or a full-fledged ice age was imminent.” The article found:

A review of the climate science literature from 1965 to 1979 shows this myth to be false. The myth’s basis lies in a selective misreading of the texts both by some members of the media at the time and by some observers today. In fact, emphasis on greenhouse warming dominated the scientific literature even then.

saywhat?

August 16th, 2010
9:29 am

Bratty, you forgot one on your list:

E.Sentient

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
9:30 am

Did I miss where Homey D. Clown gave us his word before he left?

ctucker

August 16th, 2010
9:30 am

T-Town, Droughts and famine happen everywhere. But Russia has recorded the highest temperatures it has ever had

ctucker

August 16th, 2010
9:31 am

Gordon, I think the opposite is true. On this site, more people seemed to be concerned about massive debt than climate change. Which has the worst consequences? Climate change

ctucker

August 16th, 2010
9:32 am

markie mark, I remember the years between 1978 and 1981 pretty well, and I remember no “screaming” that “we were in global cooling.” I think you’re making that up.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
9:33 am

I thought…

Don’t think, meat; it can only hurt the ball-club.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
9:34 am

Since I’m a refugee from Bookman’s blog, I’m going to quote Jay, since he put it so well, some months ago:

“Our children will curse us to our faces.”

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
9:36 am

I remember the years between 1978 and 1981 pretty well, and I remember no “screaming” that “we were in global cooling.” I think you’re making that up.

He and every other wingnut who cries about it.

We heard some talk of “nuclear winter.” it was not part of the collective consciousness; it was popular-science type chatter at the time, as I recall it.

Mr Right

August 16th, 2010
9:38 am

Checked the record highs this past week and most of them were set way back in 1954. I guess that was the other round of global warming, wait, I think maybe the phobia back then was ICE- AGE.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
9:39 am

Yes Ms. Tucker, Russia may have had the highest temperature it ever recorded, but in my home town in 1978, we had the lowest temperature ever recorded and the most snow ever measure. The next 5 years we had normal winters. My point is just who do we believe? The left may say it’s raining and the right may say it’s sunny. I know if I stick my head out the window and it is getting wet, it’s raining. If I can’t see from all the glare, it’s sunny. If there is a whistling thru my ears, it’s windy. If I can’t see my hand in front of my face, it’s foggy. If the scientists can’t tell me what the weather will be next week, why should I believe them about years to come?

Mr Right

August 16th, 2010
9:39 am

“Our children will curse us to our faces.”

Maybe for the debt we are leaving them !

Mike

August 16th, 2010
9:40 am

Hey now, don’t forget, after this past winter the United States had snow on the ground in all 48 contiguous states for the first time in North American Almanac History. “Global Warming” just doesn’t fit the agenda of the Left. We’re now supposed to call it “Climate Change”.

Russ555

August 16th, 2010
9:41 am

There are plenty of reasons to clean up our environment and stop pollution. Climate change is only on of the reason. Dirty air to breath, toxic waste, dying oceans. Time to change.

Peerless76

August 16th, 2010
9:44 am

Environmental groups throughout the world have caught onto the Cap&Trade scam, Mrs. Tucker–what (besides Obama) is holding you up?

From The Corner House–A starting point for analysis is the largely unregulated “shadow banking system” that financial entrepreneurs have created over the past 30 years, not only to make huge profits for themselves but also to circumvent regulation and to offload risk onto others throughout the financial system. The system relied on the creative use of new financial instruments, particularly derivatives, that allowed financiers to generate easy credit by taking high risk bets while dumping the risks elsewhere.

As a result, they created “a wall of money” that fuelled a boom in corporate mergers and acquisitions across the United States and Europe, concentrating economic power in the process. Easy credit provided huge sums of capital for companies involved in mining, biofuels, private health care, water supply, infrastructure and forestry to expand their activities. When the bets went wrong, however, the pyramid of deals began tumbling down — and it is the public that will continue to carry the costs for many years to come.

This briefing paper explores and summarises:

* how the shadow banking system was constructed and why;
* the history of the derivatives, ‘hedges’ and speculation that underpinned this new finance;
* how derivatives are being used to get around banking, accounting, trading and public finance rules;
* the negative impacts on the ground even before the current crisis;
* recommendations put forward in the past few months on how to fix a broken system; and
* how best to seize the moment to pursue a different system that has a genuine public interest at its centre.

Buy a clue! You’re being had.

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 16th, 2010
9:45 am

“Dirty air to breath, toxic waste, dying oceans. Time to change.”

You must be an elementary school teacher.

Realist

August 16th, 2010
9:46 am

Climate change! We have 4 climate changes here a year. It’s called seasons. Global warming wouldn’t work so now climate change. We can take care of our planet but we don’t need to go overboard. It’s summer, it’s hot duh!. In the seventies all I heard was ice age coming. Please people quit believing all the bs. They just want to tax us an re-distribute. They will have it where we struggle to pay our utilities but have the formula so we don’t qualify for help.I really don’t think God would let us destroy earth . He might but not us.

RambleOn84

August 16th, 2010
9:46 am

Full disclosure: I am not a scientist. I have a basic understanding of chemistry, moderate understanding of physics, and rudimentary understanding of biology.

The issue is not necessarily whether the world is heating, or even whether this warming is caused by man.

The issue is what do we do about it?

Taxing people who use the energy won’t help, because energy does not have elastic demand. What I mean by this is that people are going to heat their homes when it is cold and cool their homes when it is hot, not because they are greedy or wasteful, but because they are trying to keep their family safe and comfortable.

Likewise, I don’t drive my car for fun. I drive it work a job I hate because I HAVE to. Living closer to my job is not an option, because I can’t afford to. The options in and around Atlanta that fit my budget would not be conducive to family life; besides, my house is worth less than what I owe on it.

Cap-and-trade is just another in a long line of scams designed to bankrupt the common man and wipe out the middle class, so we will all be dependent on the ALMIGHTY GOVERNMENT.

Gordon

August 16th, 2010
9:47 am

Cynthia,

The probability of a disaster occurring must be taken into account when determining which disaster should be given the highest priority. A meteor striking earth would be far worse than the consequences of global warming, yet we don’t spend as much time worrying about it because the likelihood of it actually happening is very small. Not only are the effects of global warming very debatable at this point, the effect man has on global warming is even more debatable. Meanwhile, the disaster that is the U.S. fiscal policy is not in doubt, because we have seen the same thing happen over and over again in history. It is simple math, and the only question is when, not if.

The sad fact is this: even if global warming is a bigger threat than I and many others (including more and more climatologists) think it is, we have much more immediate problems to attend to.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
9:47 am

Maybe for the debt we are leaving them !

The first dozen or so trillion or the last trillion or so?

Because it seems the first dozen didn’t seem to matter so much to you when it was being piled up to finance billionaires’ tax cuts and oil wars.

Mr Right

August 16th, 2010
9:49 am

ctucker

August 16th, 2010
9:31 am

Gordon, I think the opposite is true. On this site, more people seemed to be concerned about massive debt than climate change. Which has the worst consequences? Climate change

Come on CT get real, in our lifetime and our children and their children the debt will have far greater consequences than G W. By the way you can do everything that the libs want to do about G W it will not change the tem. enough to make a difference and will only add to the deficit !

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
9:49 am

Shorter wingnuts, this thread:

But, but, weather!

RambleOn84

August 16th, 2010
9:49 am

stands for decibels,
And Obama has come along and ended all those awful wars, right?

Republicans and Democrats are one and the same…don’t fall for their lies

Top Priority

August 16th, 2010
9:51 am

Won’t post my link, huh? Let me try again but you’ll have to take out the spaces.

CT – you “think” he was making things up about global cooling. Don’t think, read:

h t t p:// w w w.e a r t h f r i s k.c o m/bl og/?p=199

It was a newsweek article and the NYT picked it up as well.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
9:54 am

Peerless76

The Corner House is as you know a British website….and while they don’t like cap and trade they so say this:

“The main cause of human-induced climate change is rapidly increasing carbon dioxide emissions — primarily the result of burning fossil fuels.”

Thanks for making our argument for us.

November Suprise

August 16th, 2010
9:55 am

Global warming in Russia? It has to be America’s fault or George Bussh’s! I have an idea! Tax the American Taxpayers (the 50% paying taxes) more. Great idea hugh Cynthia?

Soda Popinski

August 16th, 2010
9:57 am

Russia is my homeland. Very Cold there in winter

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
9:57 am

And Obama has come along and ended all those awful wars, right?

Has he started any new ones?

And are the GOP trying like mad to start a new one? (if you doubt this, I suggest you google this thing being called the “WTC mosque.”)

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
9:58 am

My point is just who do we believe?

golly, I dunno, maybe on the issue of climate we should listen to climatologists?

TaxPayer

August 16th, 2010
10:00 am

Global warming is only part of the bigger story regarding our planet and our misuse of its finite resources. The coal industry, however, loves to hide some of their other serious issues in plain sight by focusing on “global warming” any time someone discusses the use of coal to generate power or whenever cap and trade is mentioned or basically any time anything that would rob them of their profits during their life cycle is mentioned and cons are only too quick to fall for their tricks time and time again. Mercury in our fish from burning coal and heavy metals in our ground water from coal ash dumping, coal burning and coal mining. A toxic mess, all in the name of cheap power for the masses and huge profits for the likes of Massey and Peabody, et al. Thousands of tons of coal ash was even used to build golf courses and fertilize farm fields. Perhaps the people that have wrought this mess on us in the name of the almighty dollar are out enjoying a game of golf on one of those fields and planning on following that up with some fresh-caught mercury-laden fish for lunch even as I type this. I can only hope so.

RambleOn84

August 16th, 2010
10:01 am

The highest tax bracket for 2010 starts for people earning $373,000…think about this for a moment.

While that is certainly a large amount of money (more than 10 times what I make), there are people making one thousand times that much money, who are taxed at the same rate. Although actually that’s not true, because people making millions usually set up “foundations,” where they get to keep all but a small pittance and get taxed virtually nothing.

Now I do not agree with progressive tax in the first place; but if you were gonna do it, why would you stop “progressing” with people who make a tiny fraction of what the super-rich in this country make?

Because the super-rich make the laws for their own benefit. Lobbyists and other private interests run this country.

Cap-and-trade was their idea…do you honestly think it will benefit us?

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
10:02 am

Ok SFD, now just which ones, those that say we are or those who say we aren’t. I know you must have the answer.

retired early

August 16th, 2010
10:02 am

No need to worry, God is going to take care of the earth. He would never abandon all these precious born againers!!!
That’s why they don’t put much stock in anything scientific.
Don’t ya see.

RambleOn84

August 16th, 2010
10:02 am

He has not started any new ones YET…Iran is coming soon, as well as Pakistan…

And he didn’t end any either…but why should he be expected to keep a campaign promise?

GOP doesn’t matter, Democrats don’t matter…they are all on the same side… and against you.

Peerless76

August 16th, 2010
10:04 am

granny, that wasn’t the point I was trying to make. I’m in favor of pursuing alternative fuels, just not the tax scam being put forth to accomplish them. You, like Mrs. Tucker, are eager to buy what Obama and government funded scientists are selling. Even with alternative fuels, oil will always be a much needed staple. The world is dependent on the by-products of petroleum.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
10:04 am

ctucker – absolutely not….check the ABC news Archives of the time….Frank Reynolds was the nightly newscaster, and Peter Jennings was the foreign correspondant doing the reporting…

Colorado Bob

August 16th, 2010
10:05 am

Cynthia -
Add Nashville , western Arkansas , Amarillo, and Oklahoma City to your list. all broke All time rainfall records this summer . It rained 19 inches in 24 hours west of Nashville. 8 inches in less than 12 hours west of Little Rock, and it rained 7.62 inches at Oklahoma City, and 11.04 inches east of Amarillo.
All solidly Republican districts. Remember senator Inhfoe when one of these things parks it’s self over your house.

The Thin Guy

August 16th, 2010
10:05 am

For balance (an unheard of phenomenon for this blog) in Peru people are literally freezing to death as they experience one of the coldest winters in history. Yes we are all doomed. Global Warming is going to totally destroy the Earth. Six billion years from now the Sun will have completed its transition from its current status as a yellow dwarf to a red giant (no it’s not about Chinese basketball players). It will expand in size and swallow Mercury and Venus and perhaps the Earth. After a few billion years of being cooked like a pop tart in a microwave for 3 hours it will then collapse and become a white dwarf. There is nothing I can do about it. There is nothing you can do about it. And there certainly isn’t anything CT or The Gorbot can do about it.

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
10:06 am

“Our children will curse us to our faces.”

When they’re footing the bill for our debt? I bet they will. Hell, I would too.

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
10:06 am

Gordon and CT, my last post disappeared (climate change, or maybe the Patriot Act?). as I said, I don’t think the nature of the “threat” is the issue. EVERY “threat” tp humanity (save Gordon’s meteor) is “man made”. by nature, life is just a series of never-ending threats. and yet, a couple hundred thousand years ago, Zog left the security of the cave and confronted the threats (or “fears” and by “fears” I mean the Kamchack definition, which is realities of life, which are re-packaged and presented as fears, by both the LEFT and the RIGHT). as I neo-Carlinist, I don’t see “threats” as threats, if you know what I mean. the real THREAT is when a politician or “businessman” – and really, they’re the same because ALL politicians are beholden to business – I think most folks (left and right) resent the fact that the government (or the chicken little crowd) wants to charge a “cover” for the privilege of leaving the cave (to ensure homeland security, create a Great Society, save the planet, fight Communism, etc.)

Pennsylvanian

August 16th, 2010
10:07 am

Would you prefer to believe the Russian government, or a Russian scientist who claims the heating/cooling cycles are primarily caused by variation in solar activity?

Williebkind

August 16th, 2010
10:07 am

YOu think progressive liberals are funny now just wait until they do not have control of congress. We are in for a hoot.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
10:07 am

Granny – I am not angry, just trying to determine if we are close in age so that we can relate…and I notice you did not respond to about 80% of what I said and the point that I was trying to make…dismissing someone as “angry” is a tired liberal tactic. I am conservative, therefore I must be “angry”….try debating and defending your position without deflecting. And I am new posting back to you…not new posting on blogs….normally, you “hit and run” because you cant debate you position is what I have noticed on these blogs….

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 16th, 2010
10:08 am

Perhaps if our Supreme Leader, Imam Obama, would send up a few prayers we might all be saved from this climate change.

ALLAH AKBAR DAMNIT!

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
10:09 am

Kamchack, excellent (Bull Durham) reference. step further; the climate change deniers have a “million dollar arms and ten cent brains.”

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
10:11 am

By the way, Cynthia, check out Granny’s response to me….

“Moreover, Goldberg’s evocation of 1970s media reports about global cooling falsely suggests that the scientific basis for those reports is equivalent to the current scientific consensus on global warming.”

Obviously, there were media reports regarding global cooling…..

November Suprise

August 16th, 2010
10:11 am

Maybe not because we’re born again but maybe because we’re smart enough not to believe what idiots that are only out to line their own pockets cram down our throats. See Al Gore. I’m skeptical of every singal thing this newspaper writes. I’m skeptical of everything the so-called experts write. They have an agenda. If you and your Athiest biddies aren’t smart enough to figure that out. Find some Christian and they will be glad to point it out. They are the most “hated” people in the country.

Billybob

August 16th, 2010
10:12 am

Enter your comments here

Captain Kangaroo

August 16th, 2010
10:15 am

I totally believe since the same scientists were telling us in 1974 we were entering a new ice age!

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
10:16 am

Ok SFD, now just which ones, those that say we are or those who say we aren’t. I know you must have the answer.

How about going with what would seem to be the consensus among the vast majority of climatologists?

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
10:16 am

Oh, I’m sorry. I forgot that, along with “but, but, WEATHER,” we are sure to hear at some point that Al Gore is fat.

Dick McCain, aborted child of Bush and Gingrich

August 16th, 2010
10:18 am

Deficits don’t matter and we had to import Mexicans to work in the fields earning $50/hour because US citizens would not work for such a menial wage under such shockingly awesome globally cooled conditions unless they were free to do so without an increase in the minimum wage, tax-free.

Billybob

August 16th, 2010
10:19 am

“While the U.S. remains embroiled in a mind-boggling feud over whether climate change is real”

If you can’t even decide what to call it, do you really get to say that it is ’science’ Tucker? You don’t get to have it both ways, even though that IS the LIBERAL WAY. Your quote shows you think you are smarter, but trust me, you are not. You are a pawn for global redistribution of wealth Tucker. Plain and simple. THIS JUST IN!!!!………Global hot weather patterns caused by…..THE SUN!!!!!

RambleOn84

August 16th, 2010
10:23 am

Again…

The highest tax bracket for 2010 starts for people earning $373,000…think about this for a moment.

While that is certainly a large amount of money (more than 10 times what I make), there are people making one thousand times that much money, who are taxed at the same rate. Although actually that’s not true, because people making millions usually set up “foundations,” where they get to keep all but a small pittance and get taxed virtually nothing.

Now I do not agree with progressive tax in the first place; but if you were gonna do it, why would you stop “progressing” with people who make a tiny fraction of what the super-rich in this country make?

Because the super-rich make the laws for their own benefit. Lobbyists and other private interests run this country.

Cap-and-trade was their idea…do you honestly think it will benefit us?

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
10:23 am

November Surprise, you are not helping your case. “Christians” (the fake, shallow, ones) are not “the most hated people in the country”. I would argue that as a “Christian nation” – Christians are the most “hating” people in the country. See: Bratty1’s earlier post (Gays, Muslims, Socialists, African Americans). In fact, I think “Christians” feel left out, and they realize there is political power in being a “minority” or being “abused” – so they have assumed the classic “woe is me” posture. This PATHETIC arrogance couched as “suffering” or more accurately, igonorance presented as “faith” is the cornerstone of ALL religions (Islam included). I hate to get all Dr. Phil on your behind, but Christians, like anyone; are responsible for their own happiness, self-esteem, etc. I don’t “hate” you, I pity you for your shallow, superstitious, fear-driven existence. I “hate” what this worldview does to my life, but I don’t hate you (or any Christian. In fact, there are many of which I am quite fond).

Williebkind

August 16th, 2010
10:23 am

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
10:16 am
Are you referring to that number of 3000 scientist for and 33,000 said it aint so?

Captain Kangaroo

August 16th, 2010
10:24 am

Quoting a Russian environmental group ? Well that’s proof for sure.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
10:24 am

“How about going with what would seem to be the consensus among the vast majority of climatologists?”

Do you remember the debate on aspirin, it was either good for you or bad for you depending on what scientific research you believe. How about caffeine, red wine, sunshine, Great Lake levels, etc. When I was in Vietnam we were told we were winning and we were told we were losing the war. Some still believe we pulled out so we didn’t lose. Some still believe we didn’t go to the moon, that Lee Harvey didn’t act alone, and the Holocaust didn’t happen. I say it just depends on what side you hitch your horse to (an old-timer like me remembers horses).

You say if the vast majority says it’s true, it must be true.

Top Priority

August 16th, 2010
10:24 am

stands for decibels – nah, but Al sure loves massages.

uga_b

August 16th, 2010
10:24 am

If only the dinosaurs had cap and trade to protect them from climate change. Thanks George W. Bushasaurus!

Roe Roe Roe the boat

August 16th, 2010
10:24 am

Lefties will always be willing to sacrifice the children.

kayaker 71

August 16th, 2010
10:25 am

On a more urgent note…… Russia is delivering the fuel necessary to power Iran’s primary reactor with enough fuel to generate numerous nuclear weapons. And they are doing it this week. After the fuel is delivered and the reactor primed, blowing it up would spread nuclear fallout all over the Mid East. So Bebe will have to react soon to wipe this thing out. Why don’t you “progressives” out there stop contemplating your navel about “climate change” and start worrying about something that could impose it’s ugly will on us a bit sooner. I wonder if Bozo has given this any thought. Perhaps a swim in the Gulf has refreshed him sufficiently so he can think clearly.

Top Priority

August 16th, 2010
10:25 am

Cynthia says “Russian government sees harsh evidence of global warming”

I say “Americans see harsh evidence of Obama Socialist policies”.

Dick McCain, aborted child of Bush and Gingrich

August 16th, 2010
10:27 am

The GOP is on to the evil facist socialist communist marxist klanist non-conservativist progressivist plan of global re-distribution of wealth. Yes. It will mean that everyone will finally get to stay warm during the winter. Hence the deceptive name, “global warming”. We will not let you get away with this evil plan. Wealth must be restricted to those that deserve it.

Top Priority

August 16th, 2010
10:27 am

neo-Carlinist – I don’t think you went Dr. Phil on us. Jerry Springer perhaps, but not Dr. Phil.

uga_b

August 16th, 2010
10:27 am

Good thing we Tribamatops to save us.

Captain Kangaroo

August 16th, 2010
10:27 am

If liberals believe that burning fossil fuels is man causing climate change they have nothing to worry about Obama is doing his best to stop all economic activity -hence no more fossil fuel!

uga_b

August 16th, 2010
10:30 am

You would think a country who lost a lot of its population to a giant ice bridge thousands of years ago might realize that Earth temperatures change…

Up next, top democrat scientists declare that water still wet!

Jim Pierce

August 16th, 2010
10:31 am

Liberals have never missed an opportunity to tax ANYTHING. Global warming is another “excuse” to tax the people. Apparently, Tax cures everything.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
10:34 am

Are you referring to that number of 3000 scientist for and 33,000 said it aint so?

good lord, are you actually referencing that farce known as the “petition project?”

really?

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
10:34 am

T-Town, good points ‘cept Oswald. I think the Warren Commission findings have been refuted – to the extent that the government now acknowledges the existence of a “conspiracy”. And in doing so, they are not speculating, but rather confirming that Oswald did NOT act alone. If more than one person is involved, it is by definition a “conspiracy”. For example, 9/11 was a “conspiracy”. It may not have been the “conspiracy” proferred by Charlie Sheen and Rosie O’Donnell, OR George Bush (al Qeada-Iraq link), but it was a conspiracy, as it was planned and executed by more than one person.

Top Priority

August 16th, 2010
10:37 am

Dick McCain, aborted child of Bush and Gingrich – Did you meant to say “Wealth must be restricted to those that DESERVE it.”?

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 16th, 2010
10:37 am

JFKs passing was a good thing. After the cuban missle crisis we no longer needed him. Then there was “Bobby” JFK’s cover-up boy/lap dog who would have been worse then JFK.

Teddy? Well no comment need be made other than his record speaks for itself.

A "Voice"

August 16th, 2010
10:37 am

John, August 16th, 2010, 8:26 am ~ Ct doesn’t write this stuff . . . she cuts and pastes it. Anyone can go through newspapers, articles, opinions and find support for their point of view. It just so happens she gets paid to do that.
Granny — the weather constantly changes; has for years . . . some days a record is set and some days not. Actually scientists can only speculate about the weather prior to recordkeeping. And just like CT who can always find support for her point of view in the media, etc. . . . there are always scientists on both sides of this argument. Just because one says it is so . . . doesn’t make it so. It works both ways. . . unfortunately.

godless heathen

August 16th, 2010
10:37 am

How about a consensus on what the correct global climate should be? The 2010 climate, the 1950 climate, the 2000 BC climate? How can we strive for the correct climate until there is a consensus as to what it is?

Can any of you Chicken Littles find two studies for us skeptics: 1) A study that shows that the rate of change in climatic conditions is unprecedented in the recent history of the earth, say the last 5 million years or so, and 2) A study that defines the “ideal” climate for the planet.

Bubba

August 16th, 2010
10:37 am

I just read that California is having the coolest summer in decades. And that Antarctic ice is a record high levels. And Germany is having its coolest summer in years, same with parts of South America. What gives?

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
10:39 am

here, if you want a laugh, and have some aspirin handy for the headache-inducing html coding at the link:

www. petitionproject. org

(remove the spaces, of course)

That’s the sooper-scientifical organization of “33,000 scientists” our Williebkind believes in.

Good Grief

August 16th, 2010
10:40 am

Jeez, go outside for about ten minutes and just watch the climate change. In fact, the climate is constantly changing. We’re in greater danger from the climate suddenly staying the same.

I wouldn’t have nearly so much of a problem with these climate change people if they weren’t so dead-set on using climate change as a reason to take money from industrial nations and give it to third world countries.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
10:40 am

Neo, My point was not if Oswald acted alone, or there was a conspiracy. My point was you can believe what you want to believe whether it’s right or wrong. Not that it’s true or false on what the majority think.

Dick McCain, aborted child of Bush and Gingrich

August 16th, 2010
10:44 am

Our top UGA scientist, Son-Of-A-Gramm, and his faithful sidekick, InHuff-n-Puff, have recently completed an exhaustive study that proves once and for all that inhalation of a carbon dioxide atmosphere void of oxygen has no lasting harmful side effects aside from death and they’re good with that as long as there is a proven 20% year-over-year return over their constituency’s life spans.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:46 am

Here is the text of Newsweek’s 1975 story on the trend toward global cooling. It may look foolish today, but in fact world temperatures had been falling since about 1940. It was around 1979 that they reversed direction and resumed the general rise that had begun in the 1880s, bringing us today back to around 1940 levels. A PDF of the original is available here. A fine short history of warming and cooling scares has recently been produced. It is available here.

Just google “global cooling, newsweek”. Ah the 1970s. Global cooling and pet rocks.

Top Priority

August 16th, 2010
10:47 am

Dick McCain, aborted child of Bush and Gingrich

….meanwhile, back at the ranch Al Gore is getting a massage and conjuring up more “evidence” of climate change.

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
10:47 am

T-Town, got it. as has I have said many times, when channeling my lord and savior George Carlin; “…never believe what the government or the media tells you…” or, as Neal Boortz offers when signing on, and I believe on his website; “…do not believe anything you hear/read on this program unless you know it to be absolutely true…”. And maybe that’s the point of this whole mess. an INDIVIDUAL should “trust” his/her own logic, reason power of deduction before trusting the Russian government, Al Gore, a CNN poll, or some scientist who is owned by a special interest. and this include the “greatest” (story ever told) special interest of all; religion (more accurately, some charlatan, prophet, or clergyman who claims to speak on behalf of god)

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
10:48 am

…cram down our throats.

I have found that those who complain about having something crammed down their throats, are the same ones who will swallow just about anything.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:50 am

Journalists have warned of climate change for 100 years, but can’t decide weather we face an ice age or warming.

It was five years before the turn of the century and major media were warning of disastrous climate change. Page six of The New York Times was headlined with the serious concerns of “geologists.” Only the president at the time wasn’t Bill Clinton; it was Grover Cleveland. And the Times wasn’t warning about global warming – it was telling readers the looming dangers of a new ice age.

The year was 1895, and it was just one of four different time periods in the last 100 years when major print media predicted an impending climate crisis. Each prediction carried its own elements of doom, saying Canada could be “wiped out” or lower crop yields would mean “billions will die.”

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:50 am

Following the ice age threats from the late 1800s, fears of an imminent and icy catastrophe were compounded in the 1920s by Arctic explorer Donald MacMillan and an obsession with the news of his polar expedition. As the Times put it on Feb. 24, 1895, “Geologists Think the World May Be Frozen Up Again.”

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

August 16th, 2010
10:50 am

Global warming, what a JOKE – remember how COLD it was this past winter?

Continue to carry on the JOKE for Al Gore. Your columns have become such a disapointment. Still waiting on you to take Michelle “the private citizen with Secret Service” to task for the trip to Spain.

Oh, wait you can’t talk bad about the Liar in Chief’s family, can you?

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
10:51 am

swallow just about anything.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Matti

August 16th, 2010
10:51 am

I see the bile of human hatred is flowing strong this muggy Monday morning. Yuk! Some of y’all need to call your preacher and have him meet you at the river again. Clearly, the first time didn’t take.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:51 am

After a while, that second phase of climate cautions began to fade. By 1954, Fortune magazine was warming to another cooling trend and ran an article titled “Climate – the Heat May Be Off.” As the United States and the old Soviet Union faced off, the media joined them with reports of a more dangerous Cold War of Man vs. Nature.

The New York Times ran warming stories into the late 1950s, but it too came around to the new fears. Just three decades ago, in 1975, the paper reported: “A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable.”

TommyJack

August 16th, 2010
10:51 am

Rule #1. Never, I mean never, believe anything the godless Rooskies say.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
10:52 am

In the middle ages, the consensus of most of the doctors at that time was that “blood letting” was the best thing for almost any illness. And during this time most of the people that called themselves scientists believed that the earth was flat. Since the majority of people believe this to be true, it must have been.

On a different note, in my younger days my mother told me that “spanking the monkey” will make you go blind. I can tell you my eye sight is very clear.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:52 am

We just make this up, right Cynthia? Here’s the bottom line:

“This isn’t a question of science. It’s a question of whether Americans can trust what the media tell them about science.”

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:54 am

T-Town – so was your mother wrong or did you refrain from “spanking the monkey”?

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:55 am

Global Cooling: 1954-1976

The ice age is coming, the sun’s zooming in
Engines stop running, the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear era, but I have no fear
’Cause London is drowning, and I live by the river
– The Clash
“London Calling,”
released in 1979

Orange10

August 16th, 2010
10:55 am

This has been the hottest Summer I can remember.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:56 am

It just keeps getting better and better:

The first Earth Day was celebrated on April 22, 1970, amidst hysteria about the dangers of a new ice age. The media had been spreading warnings of a cooling period since the 1950s, but those alarms grew louder in the 1970s.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
10:56 am

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I was thinking more along the lines of “the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.”

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:57 am

“The cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people in poor nations,” wrote Lowell Ponte in his 1976 book “The Cooling.”

StJ

August 16th, 2010
10:57 am

“Russian government sees harsh evidence of global warming”

Russian government sees moneymaking opportunity from global warming. There, fixed it…no charge.

Justin

August 16th, 2010
10:57 am

thanks Bubba- my theory is that the world is tilting and local temperatures will reverse- Georgia will become a glacier and anartica will become the vacation hot spot. If only I can get paid 1billion for my theory-

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:58 am

In 1975, cooling went from “one of the most important problems” to a first-place tie for “death and misery.” “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind,” said Nigel Calder, a former editor of “New Scientist.”

Bawney Fwank

August 16th, 2010
10:58 am

When China and India is on board with limiting pollution let us know, but the cap and trade scam is just redistribution of wealth from economically successful countries (due to their forms of government)to assbackwards countries that are assbackwards due to their forms of government over thousands of years.

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
10:58 am

Enter your comments here

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
10:58 am

Global cooling….global cooling….global….. , Just like what Neo-Carlinist said, I had to learn for myself and not believe what everybody, including mother, said to be true.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
10:59 am

Today’s global warming advocates probably don’t even realize their claims aren’t original. Before the cooling worries of the ’70s, America went through global warming fever for several decades around World War II.

jconservative

August 16th, 2010
10:59 am

From day one all the “global warming” models have predicted excessive heat, cold, rain/snow and drought. All models also show a slow, steady, long-term trend toward a warmer world climate over the coming decades.

But are they correct? You can let us know, dear reader, by posting your direct observations on, say, August 16, 2090.

Unfortunately, most humans do not have the ability to think “long range.” We want to see results of our efforts immediately. Waiting decades for the results of an effort is just not there for most humans. And we Americans seem particularly fragile when it comes to long range thinking. So we dismiss it.

But, look on the bright side. The planet has had five major extinction events in the past 540 million years. And none have significantly damaged the planet. Each extinction event destroyed most of the life on the planet at that time. “Over 98% of species that ever lived are now extinct…” But so what, we are not really concerned about life are we? The planet will be just fine.

Besides life always finds a way to survive and flourish. If, I repeat, if “global warming” leads to an extinction event, then so be it. Life will find a way to survive.

P/S – My money is on the ants!

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:00 am

The nation entered the “longest warm spell since 1776,” according to a March 27, 1933, New York Times headline. Shifting climate gears from ice to heat, the Associated Press article began “That next ice age, if one is coming … is still a long way off.”

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:01 am

In the 1970s, as the world cooled down, the fear was that mankind couldn’t grow enough food with a longer winter. “Climate Changes Endanger World’s Food Output,” declared a New York Times headline on Aug. 8, 1974, right in the heat of summer.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:02 am

The New York Times noted that in 1972 the “mantle of polar ice increased by 12 percent” and had not returned to “normal” size.

North Atlantic sea temperatures declined, and shipping routes were “cluttered with abnormal amounts of ice.”

Furthermore, the permafrost in Russia and Canada was advancing southward, according to the December 29 article that closed out 1974.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:02 am

Look, everbody, I’m cutting and pasting like Cynthia.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:03 am

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

“What can one conclude from 110 years of conflicting climate coverage except that the weather changes and the media are just as capricious? “

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:04 am

Hear, hear!!

“For ordinary Americans to judge the media’s version of current events about global warming, it is necessary to admit that journalists have misrepresented the story three other times.

Yet no one in the media is owning up to that fact. Newspapers that pride themselves on correction policies for the smallest errors now find themselves facing a historical record that is enormous and unforgiving.

It is time for the news media to admit a consistent failure to report this issue fairly or accurately, with due skepticism of scientific claims.”

Billings

August 16th, 2010
11:04 am

I see harsh evidence that Cynthia’s brain has been fried by Oblahma’s hot air.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
11:05 am

Tick…tick…tick….

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:06 am

“It would be difficult for the media to do a worse job with climate change coverage. Perhaps the most important suggestion would be to remember the basic rules about journalism and set aside biases — a simple suggestion, but far from easy given the overwhelming extent of the problem.”

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
11:06 am

@horseshak…All kevin costner movies suck. Except the untouchables, and he sucked in that.. but andy garcia and Sir Sean Connery and Deniro make up for it.

“Trebek, your mother’s a canadian wh*re!”

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:07 am

Want more?

CfA Press Release

Release No.: 03-10
For Release: March 31, 2003

20th Century Climate Not So Hot
Cambridge, MA – A review of more than 200 climate studies led by researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics has determined that the 20th century is neither the warmest century nor the century with the most extreme weather of the past 1000 years. The review also confirmed that the Medieval Warm Period of 800 to 1300 A.D. and the Little Ice Age of 1300 to 1900 A.D. were worldwide phenomena not limited to the European and North American continents. While 20th century temperatures are much higher than in the Little Ice Age period, many parts of the world show the medieval warmth to be greater than that of the 20th century.

Saul Good

August 16th, 2010
11:09 am

Dear Birthers!

YOU lose AGAIN!

This time… the ruling took place at our nation’s HIGHEST Court…

Liberal “Activist” Judge on the bench who wrote the decision? Hmmm?

You guessed it! Justice Samuel Alito.

“Supreme Court upholds ‘birther’ sanction
By The Associated Press
click to enlarge
WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court has upheld a $20,000 fine against a leader of the movement challenging President Barack Obama’s citizenship.

The high court on Monday refused to block a federal judge’s October 2009 ruling that required California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz to pay the $20,000 fine for filing a “frivolous” litigation. The judge said Taitz attempted to misuse the federal courts to push a political agenda.

Taitz sued in Georgia federal court on behalf of Army Capt. Connie Rhodes. Rhodes sought to avoid deployment to Iraq by claiming Obama wasn’t born in the United States.

Justice Samuel Alito on Monday rejected Taitz’s second request to block the sanctions. Justice Clarence Thomas had rejected the request earlier. ”

Hopefully Joey Farah over at WND (Wing Nutter and Birther Central) will use part of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he’s raised by selling “lies” to the birthers to cover that fee for his Queen: Orly.

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
11:09 am

No less than Leonard Nimoy did an in search of… episode about the coming ice age circa 70’s, I watched it on the science channel not long ago. Time magazine did a cover story on the coming snowball earth. Monday, Jun. 24, 1974..google it folks, this sh*t ain’t hard.

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
11:11 am

jconservative, a very safe/neo-Carlinist bet (ants). of course, it will only be a matter of time (another 500 million years) before some self-serving ant will draw a line between carpenter ants (black) and those (axis of) evil fire ants, which just happen to be red (socialists?). we all know both varities want to rule the world; the carpenter ants by eating/destroying wood, and the fire ants by killing any living thing that isn’t a fire ant. you see, we need to boil this down to a base level, sound bite issue (black or red, sorry no blue ants). and of course, we know those tiny brown ones aren’t really “players” in the grand scheme of things, so let’s go “double or nothing” – I’m putting my money on the fire ants. after all, ants (like homo sapiens) are by nature “socialists” so might as well dance with the one who brought me.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:11 am

My work is done here……hi yo Silver, away!!

Bratty1

August 16th, 2010
11:12 am

The ruling in no way says the kenyan was born in the US, it simply said you can’t sue to not be deployed by the kenyan, until it’s proven he is a kenyan. Chicken or the egg thing.

Matti

August 16th, 2010
11:12 am

If you believe that climate change is occuring independently of human actions that affect our environment, then fine, whatever, that’s your right.

But if you believe that your disbelief that human actions are creating climate change SOMEHOW MAKES IT OKAY TO POLLUTE OUR AIR AND WATER, and destroy and waste important natural resources, then you’ve got some seriously screwed up ideas about the obligations of responsible stewardship and what we owe our children and their grandchildren. (Selfish *bleeps*!) You’d rather yell, “Nuh-UH!” all day long than come together on the basic premise that CLEAN AIR is a GOOD thing. Criminey. :roll:

uga_b

August 16th, 2010
11:12 am

It seems that a large problem is that India and China are overpopulated and using too much gas; therefore, the only logical conclusion is to give all our money to Africa. That’ll show ‘em.

Billings

August 16th, 2010
11:12 am

Russians may be experiencing the negative impact of climate change, but they’re more in favor of adapting, than changing.

Voice of Russia–”Alexander Ginsburg, deputy director of the Russian institute of Atmospheric Physics says that the emphasis should be on the creation of the conditions for adapting to the situation and not on fighting against climate change.”

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
11:13 am

Saw This at Kos and thought it was appropriate…

“I wrote over the weekend about CNN’s chief meteorologist publicly stating on air that he now accepts the evidence for man-made climate change, often referred to as Anthropogenic Global Warming or AGW for short. Another national weatherman, Stu Ostro, Senior Meteorologist at the Weather Channel, sounds to me even further divorced from his prior, more skeptical views, and he’s made the switch, in his own words, based on evidence:

I changed my point of view from what it was in the days of the Fred Singer article, and would do so again if that’s what the evidence shows. But it does not. As I wrote back in 2006, global warming is not a religion. The chemistry, physics, and thermodynamics involved are science, not religion, nor are they liberal or conservative.

For those who don’t know, Fred Singer is a noted AGW skeptic who arose from the well funded ranks of former defense industry scientists turned anti-environmentalists beautifully chronicled in the book Merchants of Doubt.

It’s important to criticize those who attack science, and I’m happy to return the favor when anyone stoops to personally maligning scientists who are simply reporting their findings for our benefit. But it’s equally important, if not more so, to recognize those with the professional courage and intellectual honesty to publicly change their view in the face of new evidence. Stu Ostro is clearly one of those folks and he’s helping blaze a trail for his peers to follow.

Willie Horton

August 16th, 2010
11:14 am

Whoever believes tax increases will cause a change in the earth’s temperature is a %^$%^ pinhead.

Top Priority

August 16th, 2010
11:14 am

Saul Good

I heard that “birthers” are the result of rampant “global warming”. Just sayin…..

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
11:14 am

Who knew that radical right wingers put so much stock in the scientific opinions of Joe Strummer and Leonard Nimoy?

Whacks Eloquent

August 16th, 2010
11:15 am

Saul,

Did not think anybody was taking the birthers seriously anymore. Maybe now we can lock them in a room with Alex Jones and have them talk about 9-11 conspiracies. And don’t forget to invite Elvis!

Even more exciting about this news is that Supreme Court upheld a loser-pays scenario! Finally, maybe, we can start seeing the absolute idiots who dredge up useless lawsuits go back under their rocks and stop crippling our judicial system. Tort reform may not even be necessary if we can just uphold “loser pays”!

Pluto

August 16th, 2010
11:16 am

Man it sure seems that the choice of topics is somewhat constained here. I have a suggestion; all you guilt ridden, misguided, progressive malcontents should just go ahead and do it. Rid the fragile planet of the environmental menace known as man. Please you go first.

Top Priority

August 16th, 2010
11:16 am

Matti – if the argument is for conservation, then I’m all in. But if it’s a knee jerk reaction to an oft debunked “global warming” hysteria, then I’m more of a sketpic.

East point mob

August 16th, 2010
11:16 am

As the founder of the weather channel stated ” Global warming is the biggest hoax ever perpetuated on mankind.”

In the news recently a scientist who if I remember correctly was Russian just published study results that show a direct correlation between the melting of the polar ice caps on Earth and on Mars. The scientist found that the polar ice caps in both countries have receded at the same pace. The obvious conclusion? The one common denominator? Both caps were melting due to a warming expansion of this thing called the sun. Yep. You got it. The sun. The sun has weather systems and warming periods and periods of more intense sunspot activity.

Right now the sun is going through a longer term warming period. There is a reason why North Dakota and Montana, places which get sub zero freezing temperatures, used to be hot temperate rain forests with giant cold blooded reptiles called dinosaurs. That reason is that way back then the earth was much hotter. And it wasn’t man made of course. I don’t recollect the dinosaurs burning fossil fuels.

We also know that the Earth went through a 10-12 degree higher warming period during the middle ages. Were the Vikings driving cars back in the 9th century?

The very notion that was put forth that man could predict the weather accurately 50 years out using computer generated models with several “variables” is downright ludicrous. Who would believe such utter nonsense? I’ll believe those models when they can accurately predict the weather 2 weeks from now.

As for global warming I hope its true. A warmer earth means longer growing seasons which means more food can be raised to feed a growing human populace.

And what is this nonsense about how damaging a 1 degree overall rise in temperatures can be for the planet? For Pete’s sake we have an 80 or 90 degree swing in temperatures every 6 months. When it hit 100 the other day I sat there and thought wow, in 6 months it’ll get down to 20 degrees at the height of winter. If the Earth can handle 80 or more degree swings in temperature in 180 degree time intervals then I can assure you that it can certainly handle a 1 degree overall climb in temperatures over 100 years.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
11:16 am

My work is done here…

So, twenty copy-pastes and the Club for Growth gives you a dog biscuit?

RGB

August 16th, 2010
11:17 am

If I were a liberal….

With a 17.5% underemployment rate, debt that will crush us and our children, a deficit that quintuples anything ever seen before, rogue nations developing nuclear weapons that will cause proliferation among their peer countries, accelerating moral decay, a growing, intrusive federal government, voters’ wishes being overturned by a single federal judge, presidential encouragement of a Ground Zero Mosque–and much more–I’d talk about Russia’s opinion on global warming, Reagan’s Alzheimers–anything other than what Barack Obama and the Democrat party are doing to systematically annihilate this country.

Know what? It’s not working.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
11:17 am

thanks for the backup, Global Cooling…..but as CT says, we are just making this up…and obviously, CT, you DONT remember the late 70’s as well as you think you do…as Bratty1 eloquently said it, “.google it folks, this sh*t ain’t hard.”

East point mob

August 16th, 2010
11:17 am

Sorry that should be the polar caps in both planets. Yes. I do realize Mars is a planet and not a country.

uga_b

August 16th, 2010
11:17 am

I think most people would be all for legitimate enivronmental policy, but giving the idiots in congress more of our money or frittering it away in foreign sinkholes seems asinine. Perhaps the government should try one policy that doesn’t involve taxes or wasting money. JUST ONE. It would be a start.

And start killing all those darn methane producing cows. End cow flatulence now!

Avenger

August 16th, 2010
11:18 am

kayaker. ” And they are doing it this week” I guess you got this from the CIA. As a former nuclear worker, I am curious where you got these wacky ideas about a nuclear reactor.

Global cooling....global cooling....global.....

August 16th, 2010
11:19 am

stands for decibels
August 16th, 2010
11:16 am

As I said, I can copy and paste just like Cynthia.

Care to attempt to debunk what I posted?

Don’t forget, Cynthia accused a poster of making up the “global cooling” scare of the 1970s.

John Birch

August 16th, 2010
11:19 am

Cap and trade is a socialist scam. What we need is more mandatory birth control and sterilization because, paraphrasing Reagan, people aren’t the solution, people are the problem!

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 16th, 2010
11:19 am

As a result of climate change the cafeteria will be serving Salisbury Steak w/Mashed potatos, green beans almondine and tea.

Enjoy!

Saul Good

August 16th, 2010
11:20 am

Wing Nutters….continue to pollute! With all of your rants about the “debt” being left behind for your kids and grand kiddies…I’m sure those of you who say that polluting is okay and drives PROFITS UP sleep well at night knowing that you endorse leaving your kids crappy air to breath and dirty water to drink. So go fill up that Yukon and drive around aimlessly for a few hours throwing your fast food wrappers everywhere you possible can in your path… your kids will enjoy the mess you left behind for them.

(anyway…with that “rapture” thingy coming any day now… I mean…who cares about “pollution” when you believe that soon the sky will be falling…I mean Talibangelicals…isn’t this denying that fouling our air, land, and water being OKAY what this is all about anyway… why bother saving a planet and having clean water when soon you’ll all be at the “exclusive” Muslim-Free Christians ONLY Country Club in the sky…the very one you’ve purchased your tickets for each and every time you’ve donated to your cult)…

Top Priority

August 16th, 2010
11:21 am

Saul Good

So what’s you schtick for the day, birthers or pollution? Get a grip, dude.

Whacks Eloquent

August 16th, 2010
11:26 am

Another start for intelligent environmental reform would be to end the ethanol scam. It is insane that the media has not made more of this – it takes more fossil fuel (mostly coal-based, so argument that it does reduce petroleum use is correct, but incomplete) to generate the power needed to cultivate and generate the typically corn-based fuel than is saved in the long run by people putting it in their cars, mostly as an additive. Not to mention the damage that ethanol does to vehicle engines, thus in the end shortening the life of the vehicles and requiring more energy to create new vehicles. The corn crop that is wasted on ethanol could go a long way in helping to reduce famine in nations with starving populations.

East point mob

August 16th, 2010
11:26 am

Time magazine cover in 1975- ” The coming Ice age. Why the earth is cooling and entering a new Ice age”

What changed in the next 20 years to where people are now harping about global warming? Nothing. Except politics of course.

How much has Al Gore made off this scaremongering? Is it 100 million or is it now 150 million by now?

Did he ever correct those proven 23 scientific errors in his bogus movie about global warming?

Did Al ever take some serious pics of the south pole to replace the styrofoam he used in the film?

Does he still blame global warming for the snow melting at the top of Mt. Kiliminjaro? Or did he learn that at that altitude that it never gets above freezing and that the ice was melting due to a scientific process called sublimation where soil and ice mix thus melting the ice?

Did Al learn any new geography in reference to Cuba? In his film he had all of Cuba disappearing under water due to global warming. Did he finally learn that 1/3 of the country is mountainous with 5,000-6,000 foot peaks? Going by his movie I would suspect that Denver, Colorado would be under water if all of Cuba would also be under water.

Did Al Gore correct any of these bogus claims in his movie? Just curious.

Saul Good

August 16th, 2010
11:27 am

Whacks Eloquent : “Even more exciting about this news is that Supreme Court upheld a loser-pays scenario! Finally, maybe, we can start seeing the absolute idiots who dredge up useless lawsuits go back under their rocks and stop crippling our judicial system. Tort reform may not even be necessary if we can just uphold “loser pays”!”

Whacks, What are they going to teach at Liberty University’s Law School???!!! I’m pretty sure that all they teach and the only case studies they review are losing cases…like the one up near Harrisburg PA a few years ago based upon Evolution being taught.

It’s going to be okay for them for a while…the Evil-Gelical Church has lots of loot. Their cult followers and members won’t mind taking out a 2nd or 3rd mortgage to finance a few more whacky lawsuits based upon phony and non-existent principles.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
11:27 am

Saul Good, Too much caffeine is not good for you, a scientific study has proved this.

Rafe Hollister

August 16th, 2010
11:28 am

Perfect excuse to not build the mosque at Ground Zero. Convince the Muslims that a 101st mosque in NYC is just overdoing it and in light of Climate Change, we just can’t justify emitting that much carbon by construction a needless victory memorial. I’m sure they are such good shepherds of mother earth that they will agree. You have to start somewhere or we are all doomed, doomed, I tell you. Right!

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
11:28 am

Cooling @ 11.19, what is there that you’ve presented that I’m supposed to debunk–this silly notion that a few stray examples you’ve been given by some Chamber-of-Commerce-sponsored right wing site somehow proves Cynthia wrong?

Global cooling was, as I said earlier, not the sort of thing that was driving American energy policy nor was it uppermost on many people’s minds. It was a Popular Science, geekish sort of issue.

As Cynthia correctly pointed out, people were not “screaming” about it.

Saul Good

August 16th, 2010
11:28 am

Top, why not entertain both? I mean the same crowd supports polluting AND thinks that Obama is from Kenya.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
11:29 am

“proven”

Pluto

August 16th, 2010
11:29 am

@ Saul Good I think you should really go first. You will never be happy or willing to share the planet with the other 6.6 billion or so folks. Lead by example.

East point mob

August 16th, 2010
11:30 am

Saul Good,

You need some help in FACTS. Our air and water quality is substantially cleaner relative to what it was in the 70s or even the 50s and 60s. Any idiot knows that you can look at pics of cities like Atlanta, Pittsburgh, B-ham from the 50s or 60s and look at pics of those same cities today and see a huge decrease in overall smog. I guess you never let the facts get in the way of your argument. And any EPA scientist will tell you that because of stringest EPA regs since the 70s that air and water quality is the cleanest its been in decades. Just the facts sir. You are long on hyperbole and short on facts.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
11:33 am

Do you remember:

A river in Cleveland Ohio catching fire in 1969? People are now swimming and fishing in this same river, though with reservation.

Saul Good

August 16th, 2010
11:34 am

East Point…and WHY is the air cleaner or water cleaner NOW compared to 40 years ago? It’s because of environmental guards placed upon industries that were doing all of the polluting.

Yet you’re talking about OUR nation… Take a look at India and China (who have the world’s biggest populations) and you’ll see that their levels of pollution are many, many times higher compared with 20-30 years ago.

So YOUR answer lacks substance. Perhaps WE pollute less…but the WORLD is polluting MORE.

andygrd

August 16th, 2010
11:35 am

OFF TOPIC… but recent

Ms. Tucker, how about something nice to say about Tom Delay, you had vilified him in the past… and now….

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has ended its six-year criminal probe of the ties between former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and disgraced ex-lobbyist Jack Abramoff without filing any criminal charges against the former congressman.
One of DeLay’s lawyers, Richard Cullen, said Monday the Justice Department’s public integrity section informed DeLay’s legal team early last week that it was ending the investigation.
“Six years is a long time and I’m sure he wishes it had happened years ago,” Cullen said of the conclusion of the investigation of DeLay.
Justice Department spokeswoman Laura Sweeney declined to comment, which is normally the case when the department ends a criminal probe without filing charges.
Separately, DeLay has been indicted in Texas on charges of money laundering and conspiracy allegedly connected to 2002 state legislative elections. That case is pending.
Since 2002—and nothing in Texas…. Makes you wonder……

Saul Good

August 16th, 2010
11:35 am

Anyway…enjoy polluting today… I iz gots to get sum stuff and go is stimulate the economiees. Lata!

JackLeg

August 16th, 2010
11:36 am

Let me see if I can explain this in a way that a liberal can understand. Since the last is age we have been on a warming trend, when we get to the peak of warming, then we will start cooling. This has been going on since the beginning of time. See if you liberals can answer this question. During the reign of the dinosaurs the average temperature was 20 degrees hotter and 15 times the amount of carbon dioxide in the air, who was driving the SUV’s and running the power plants back then…..

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
11:37 am

Saul Good, Then it’s up to the USA to tell these countries that they must stop or we will……………?

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
11:37 am

East Point mob, your position is noted, but you’re not swaying any votes by citing “the founder of the Weather Channel”. I bet there are some who believe “the Weather Channel” is a hoax (for profit commercial venture, which answers to advertising dollars and not meteorology/science).

Reggie

August 16th, 2010
11:37 am

Dear Saul- you may want to think about a wonderful phrase “timing issue”- the far right enyoyed their day in the sun for 8 years- the far left should enjoy another few months- grew too quickly and was scorched by the sun as the parable goes. I don’t care if Obama is as white as color of this blog and is desendant of George Washington- the chap couldn’t run a local Starbucks. The working (and currently non-working) middle class shall change all of this nonsense very soon.

Saul Good

August 16th, 2010
11:37 am

Last thing East Point and TT… feel free to tell me about ALL of our industry that simply went OUT of business once pollution control was enacted and enforced by the EPA. Looks to me like our economy went up and down over the past 40 years…but it was NOT due to having companies add pollution control devices to their factories (or building new more efficient ones)…

granny's herniated groin

August 16th, 2010
11:37 am

It’s important to criticize those who attack science, and I’m happy to return the favor when anyone stoops to personally maligning scientists who are simply reporting their findings for our benefit. But it’s equally important, if not more so, to recognize those with the professional courage and intellectual honesty to publicly change their view in the face of new evidence.

Physicist Dr. Denis Rancourt, a former professor and environmental science researcher at the University of Ottawa, has officially bailed out of the man-made global warming movement.

In a hard-hitting and exclusive new exclusive video just released by Climate Depot, Dr. Rancourt declares that the entire man-made global warming movement is nothing more than a “corrupt social phenomenon.” “It is as much psychological and social phenomenon as anything else.”

“I argue that by far the most destructive force on the planet is power-driven financiers and profit-driven corporations and their cartels backed by military might; and that the global warming myth is a red herring that contributes to hiding this truth. In my opinion, activists who, using any justification, feed the global warming myth have effectively been co-opted, or at best neutralized,” Rancourt said.

“Global warming is strictly an imaginary problem of the First World middleclass,” he stated.

See Dr. Rancourt’s astounding revelation at Climate Depot.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
11:39 am

Perfect excuse to not build the mosque at Ground Zero.

since others keep on attempting to distract with this issue, I’m going to re-post this from downstairs:

This ginned-up mosque controversy is possibly the single most loathsome piece of political theater the wingnuts have pulled in my memory.

I mean, at the least the Willie Horton ad wasn’t designed, specifically, to incite some asshat to violence. This is not going to end well, mark my words.

Again, I am having a hard time coming up with a more loathsome counter-example from my own memory.

Rafe Hollister

August 16th, 2010
11:39 am

BTW, did Ross Perot use his jets to patch over that Ozone hole that was going to kill us back in 1992. Remember we were all going to die because the hole was getting larger and larger. The UV radiation was going to cook us all, but Ross said he didn’t see why we couldn’t take a bunch of ozone emitting planes up there to the hole and fly around some. Many on the left were very concerned about that hole, but they didn’t vote for Ross, I am not sure why. Since Ross didn’t get elected, who fixed the hole?

Cynthia Is Sexy!!

August 16th, 2010
11:41 am

Latest reports are The Goron has began a new undertaking…The Colonization of Mars. After speaking about his new project at a college graduation ceremony and subsequently being boo’d off stage, The Goron could be heard muttering…”I’ll get them…I will get them all”

After taunting the audience and several failed attempt to retake the stage The Goron had to be escorted from the building.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
11:42 am

Saul Good, I’m asking you what do we do with the countries that thumb their noses at us over pollution? Enacting controls in the US may make some of us feel good, but unless all countries do it it matters not. When you have hungry people, waste makes haste.

Rafe Hollister

August 16th, 2010
11:44 am

Stands: everyone kinda left it to NYC to resolve the mosque thing until Barrack Hussein Obama weighed in with his preferences. Kind of gave us all a reason to state our opinion. Now that he is backtracking, he is hoping to again make it a local issue. Couldn’t stand the heat or the damage to his party at election time.

pat

August 16th, 2010
11:49 am

Some people are so stupid, they think they can control the climate! It may be warming, but it has little to do with us.

Matti

August 16th, 2010
11:49 am

Top Priority,
..if the argument is for conservation, then I’m all in. But if it’s a knee jerk reaction to an oft debunked “global warming” hysteria, then I’m more of a sketpic.

TP, I’m a skeptic about a great many things as well. The absence of skepticism, IMO, equates to being a chump. I wish I could wonder why we don’t all just get on the same page about things we can and should agree upon, such as conservation, a cleaner, less toxic enviroment, and the economic benefit that would surely come with being a leader on “green jobs of the future” instead of holding on to the past while everyone else passes us.

But what I’m reading here shows me a narcissistic population more concerned with believing they’re right than doing what’s right for us, our children, and the future. Cut off the nose to spite the face, and what have you got? A whole lotta regret and nothing good to show for it. Just sayin’.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
11:50 am

Stands: everyone kinda left it to NYC to resolve the mosque thing until Barrack Hussein Obama weighed in with his preferences.

Is THAT what you’re claiming now? Seriously?

Is this “everyone” you’re speaking of including Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich and virtually every GOPee blowhard with access to a camera or mic or Twitter feed?

Boris Yeltsin's Liver

August 16th, 2010
11:50 am

Vodka will solve all of Mother Russia’s ills…..

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
11:51 am

Rafe, I don’t know that Obama expressed “his preference” so much as his legal/Constitutional opinion. he very well may have a “preference” and he very well may be a “Muslim mole” (as one poster suggested in July), but it’s kind of a moot point. I the first Amendment, generally accepted private property rights, and NYC real estate laws and building codes kind “govern” this, and not human emotion “victims families” a “slap in the face”) or the shameless political opportunism of non-New Yorkers. this is “cap n (no)trade” for jingos and xenophobes who do not “trust” the Founding Fathers.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
11:54 am

Since Ross didn’t get elected, who fixed the hole?

Wiki’s entry on “Ozone depletion” does a pretty good job of telling the story, but in short, international agreements to curtail CFC (and other ozone-depleting chemical compounds) reversed potentially dangerous trends.

In short, it didn’t just get better on its own.

gotta run. Have fun, kids.

left wing

August 16th, 2010
11:54 am

Global cooling Global cooling was caused by the pollution of the ’60s & ’70s. If you’re old enough to remember, we used to have huge problems with ‘acid rain’ and smog so thick in LA that you couldn’t see the sky.

Why is this important? Because we were dumping so much particulate matter into the air, that sunlight was being reflected back into space. It wasn’t until we had solved the air quality problems, that we started to experience the global warming phenomenon.

Fang1944

August 16th, 2010
11:55 am

Bob
August 16th, 2010
8:20 am

No debate about climate change from the right. We know the climate has been in constant change throughout the history of the world. At one point the entire planet was covered in ice, think of what life would be without climate change. Cynthia, why is ice covered Greenland called Greenland ? Was it once green enough to possibly raise crops ? If so, maybe the optimum temps should be the higher ones that allowed the farming of what is now a sheet of ice.

——————

Somebody always has to bring up the recently invented myth that Greenland was nice and green when the Norse got there. According to:

Eirik the Red’s Saga.
The Saga of the Greenlanders
The Icelandic Book of Settlement.
Fitzhugh and Ward’s Vikings: the North Atlantic Saga

Greenland was covered with ice and snow when Mr. The Red got there in 983. There were two areas where there was pasturage for animals, but the Norse often fed their animals twigs and seaweed and kept them indoors 24 hours a day. Sometimes the people ate seaweed.

Mr. The Red named the placed Greenland because he knew that people wouldn’t want to come and settle in Freezingyourtailoffland.

Fang1944

August 16th, 2010
12:00 pm

“Global warming is strictly an imaginary problem of the First World middleclass,” he [Dr. Rancourt] stated.
—————-

So it’s imaginary that Beluga shipping line is running ships through the Arctic Circle these days?

It’s imaginary that the fire season is now year-round in the western US?

It’s imaginary the permafrost in Alaska isn’t perma anymore?

getalife

August 16th, 2010
12:01 pm

Thanks to the cons, we are losing major money for our economy with alternative energy products.

Presidents Clinton and Obama want a green energy bubble but the cons vote no. Even out of power, the cons still destroy our country.

Fang1944

August 16th, 2010
12:01 pm

Correcting my typos:

Somebody always has to bring up the recently invented myth that Greenland was nice and green when the Norse got there. According to:

Eirik the Red’s Saga.
The Saga of the Greenlanders
The Icelandic Book of Settlements.
Fitzhugh and Ward’s Vikings: the North Atlantic Saga

Greenland was covered with ice and snow when Mr. The Red got there in 983. There were two areas where there was pasturage for animals, but the Norse often fed their animals twigs and seaweed and kept them indoors 24 hours a day. Sometimes the people ate seaweed.

Mr. The Red named the place Greenland because he knew that people wouldn’t want to come and settle in Freezingyourtailoffland.

Rafe Hollister

August 16th, 2010
12:02 pm

Neo, before I go, let me refute your post. The government has no right to stop them based on the 1st Amendment, that I will grant you. The Constition should always be followed, however, the State and Federal Government always find “legal” ways to get their wishes. I give you the “Kelo Decision” where the Supreme Court dispossed those poor people with the ocean front property. IMO, the Government does not have that right under Eminent domain, the right to take from one citizen and give to another, but the courts have made that legal now. So, the State of New York could take that property and say it is not making enough Tax revenue as is and a mosque is tax exempt, so we are taking it and letting McDonalds have that piece of property.

If the KKK was planning a big corporate HQ’s there, you can bet your bippy that NYC or the State of NY would take some action. Pigs are squealinng gotta go feed em.

ken

August 16th, 2010
12:03 pm

Green people never seem to talk about cold air. Florida just had one of the coldest Winters ever. Not one peep. Two weeks in russia is not a trend. Go to Global Warming Hoax.com and follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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OBAMA WORST IN HISTORY

August 16th, 2010
12:09 pm

Maybe “Global Warming” will warm the Administration ass’s up and get them to take their head’s out of them!

barking frog

August 16th, 2010
12:11 pm

I fail to understand what climate-changers want or believe.
Should we stop producing electricity, stop burning anything,
produce no more chemicals. Go back to wind powered
ships, animal powered land transportation,no medicines, no
cleansers, no insecticides, no fertilizers, no plastics. Science
produced all the things that Science says are harmful. Sounds
like Democrats and Republicans. Just arguing over who gets
the bigger slice of the pie.

Rafe Hollister

August 16th, 2010
12:11 pm

Sin-thee change the heading to California Gov sees harsh effects of Global Cooling. Read last week where fruits and vegetables were not ripening properly due to the abnormally cool weather there. There, you have a new cut and paste blog.

getalife

August 16th, 2010
12:14 pm

Add the 20 million left homeless in the Pakistan flood. Doubt their government will survive.

I guess the fires did not hit Russia’s nuclear sites.

Hoghead

August 16th, 2010
12:14 pm

Who cares what the climate is. If you are out of working, and living hand to mouth, I would rather live in heat than live in cold. I guess that is why there are so many bums in the south, but very few in Montana, Minnesota and our northern neighbors.

Fang1944

August 16th, 2010
12:34 pm

T-Town
August 16th, 2010
10:52 am

In the middle ages, the consensus of most of the doctors at that time was that “blood letting” was the best thing for almost any illness. And during this time most of the people that called themselves scientists believed that the earth was flat. Since the majority of people believe this to be true, it must have been.

On a different note, in my younger days my mother told me that “spanking the monkey” will make you go blind. I can tell you my eye sight is very clear.

————————

Savants of the Middle Ages knew perfectly well that the world is round. Eratosthenes calculated the Earth’s circumference in the third century BC and was only off by about 1%. Not bad considering that his only instrument was a stick stuck in the ground. They also understood that “down” is toward the center of the Earth as you can see from reading Dante’s Inferno.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
12:35 pm

Stands for Decibels – “As Cynthia correctly pointed out, people were not “screaming” about it.”…Jesus, thats your defense of Cynthia being totally wrong? and that I made this up? You have seized on ONE word that I used….and the argument WAS contentious at the time. But ignore the fact she basically accused me of lying? Good God, if that is the sum total of your ability to see what I said and the point I was making, you are just one more intellectually dishonest liberal. If I said “loud and passionate” would that make you feel better?

Gator Joe

August 16th, 2010
12:36 pm

Cynthia,
You are ever the optimist. Predictable comments coming from the anti-science crowd. Join hands and pray scientists develop more efficient sunscreen.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
12:41 pm

But ignore the fact she basically accused me of lying?

If the shoe fits….

Larry Jones

August 16th, 2010
12:42 pm

Nice to see the unhinged right-wing sycophants hating on science. Their daily diatribe against gays, muslims, blacks and illegals was getting stale.

sTv0

August 16th, 2010
12:48 pm

idiot #1 wrote:
“No less than Leonard Nimoy did an in search of… episode about the coming ice age circa 70’s, I watched it on the science channel not long ago. Time magazine did a cover story on the coming snowball earth. Monday, Jun. 24, 1974..google it folks, this sh*t ain’t hard.”

Perhaps harder than it looks, since you didn’t look up the scientific references from that period (early 70’s), which were overwhelmingly supporting a trend towards AGW. In fact, the references to another ice age were pointing to one happening in…wait for it…10,000 years.

Geez, you deniers make it so EASY sometimes…

Bill Campbell

August 16th, 2010
12:49 pm

Global Warming is a farce! July 2, 1863, the temperature at the Battle of Gettysburg was 103 degrees in Pa. Al Gore has made a fortune with his phony con!!

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
12:49 pm

“Even out of power, the cons still destroy our country.”

LMAO!!! If the Democrats have the majority, I’d say it’s the Democrats’ fault. nice try there pal

Reggie

August 16th, 2010
12:53 pm

Eric Pearson again with a hateful diatribe- “more intelligent and superior”-
Did I miss you at the last Mensa meeting?
Do you care to post say 20k for an independent iq “test off”?

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
12:53 pm

Kamchak…the shoe DIDN’t fit….or are you too damn lazy to use google and do some damn research if you dont believe the various links posted here in the last hour….”if the shoe fits’…what a lame response….

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
12:55 pm

and by the way, “stands” and kamchak….she didnt even remember the argument, so how in !!@##!@ could she know if people were “loud and passionate” or not?

jconservative

August 16th, 2010
12:58 pm

neo-Carlinist – You convinced me – fire ants it is!

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
1:00 pm

Rafe,

feel free to state your opinion, but in my opinion, one does not “refute” a post via speculation, what if’s? and hypothetical scenarios.

The government has no right to stop them based on the 1st Amendment, that I will grant you. The Constition should always be followed, –

then there is no need for your “however”.

the State and Federal Government always find “legal” ways to get their wishes. I give you the “Kelo Decision” where the Supreme Court dispossed those poor people with the ocean front property. IMO, the Government does not have that right under Eminent domain, the right to take from one citizen and give to another, but the courts have made that legal now.

again, your opinion of the “authority” of the Constitution vis a vis your suggestion that the government (ANY business interest) can circumvent the Constitution via legal card tricks confuses me.

So, the State of New York could take that property and say it is not making enough Tax revenue as is and a mosque is tax exempt, so we are taking it and letting McDonalds have that piece of property. – “however” you previously wrote that you believe it “illegal” to do so? Are you suggesting you want punish some American Muslims by denying them their Fist Amendment rights, because other non-American Muslims attacked the USA on 9/11?

If the KKK was planning a big corporate HQ’s there, you can bet your bippy that NYC or the State of NY would take some action.

I’m not a NYer, but I was there a coupla three weeks ago. It’s as expected a very passionate issue for (some) 9/11 familes; some Muslims, and as MANY politicians. that said, the origins of said “passions” are not rooted in the same place. and this goes for the smarmy (Muslim) real estate developer who brokered the deal. he is keeping this story in the news because it helps his cause (personal enrichment). as for the “what if the KKK wanted to build a museum in NYC?” rhetoric, I say; “let them build it, and I’ll answer the question.” this “cultural center” is far from a “done deal”. either way, the Mormons have “cultural centers” in Manhattan, as does the Church of Scientology. If you’re suggesting we “inbreed” eminent domain with religious (or political) intolerance, well then let’s just praise the Lord and pass the ammo ’cause it’s gonna get messy.

Reggie

August 16th, 2010
1:01 pm

Eric Pearson- do tell if you were the one trick pony writer for the Slate. I dropped my AJC subscription when it was carrying almost daily write ins from an Eric Pearson at the Slate and the dearly departed Molly Ivins. The so called editorials were a third grade “Bush is bad, he is evil, republicans are bad, they are evil”

Victor

August 16th, 2010
1:03 pm

For deniers, accepting climate science would mean admitting that unrestrained capitalism has jeopardized humanity’s future. But this painful admission would mean more than that environmentalists were right all along, it would initiate a demand for comprehensive and urgent government intervention. This would be intolerable. It’s easier to reject climate science and conduct business as usual even though it means humanity’s future will be harsh, brutish and short.

Taylor

August 16th, 2010
1:03 pm

Okay everyone. We could sit here all day and talk about how the science on one side is biased or fraudulent. The fact of the matter is that there have been scandals on both ends (as well as interst in profits at both ends) of the debate and the science remains divided. Senator Isakson told me himself that it is unclear whether the changes are due to human activity, natural forces, or perhaps a combination of the two.

Climate change put aside, there are plenty of other benefits to using more clean energy. Look at how much Atlanta’s air quality has improved ever since we changed all our buses to natural gas from diesel. If you want to see just how devastating coal pollution can be just take a visit to China.

Now lets examine some realistic possibilities for cleaner energy. More dams could play a huge help. The China 3 gorges dam produces enough clean electricity to light up Washington DC, Boston, and New York City combined. The environmental extremists fail to see that. I consider myself an environmentalist but not an extremist one. Imagine how much coal you would have to mine and burn to power those three cities.

More nuclear power plants. People it has been a long time since the 3 Mile Island incident and the technology to make nuke power safer and more economical has come a long way. Nuclear power has worked out well for Tennessee, just the other day I met a man who worked at a nuke facility in Tennessee and he told me that all his physical exams checked out well. Don’t believe everything you see on the Simpsons folks. They are also now finding ways to recycle Nuclear Waste.

Geothermal Energy: Unlike solar and wind, geothermal does not depend on the weather. Whether it’s day or night, windy or calm, sunny or cloudy, that energy is always turned on. For Chevron Corporation Geothermal energy is a profitable industry and they are the world’s largest producer and they are expanding. Many Texas oilmen are seeking to harness the geothermal energy at the bottom of the dried up oil and gas wells in Texas. Like nuclear, the plants are expensive but the price of the electricity itself is cheap.

I think solar and wind can certainly play a part but I do not think that their potential is nearly as big as taht of hydro, nuclear, and geothermal.

Tropical reforestation: Yes, believe it or not there is good news concerning the rainforest. Brazil’s deforestation rates are down and I have read of new trends of sustainable farming that actually make more money than the traditional slash and burn methods. Even if you do not believe in Global Warming you still cannot argue that the rainforest is a treasure worth protecting. It helps provide us with oxygen, food, and medicine. There are efforts underway to promote an Amazon reforestation project and there are big corporate sponsors taking an interest in protecting the Amazon including BP, The Walt Disney Company, UPS, and others.

The United States Government has historically taken a great interest in protecting tropical forests. Senator Chambliss voted for the Tropical Forest Conservation Act in 1998 as did the vast majority of congressional republicans. We should continue to support susbainable development and protection of forests.

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
1:05 pm

jcon, and just so we’re clean, I’m not endorsing or opposing the fire ant agenda, but simply evaluating the contest and placing a friendly bet (which, if you follow my screeds, is basically what politicos and pundits do). in fact, I HATE fire ants, but if betting on fire ants helps my bottom line; excuse me, I have to call my guy in Vegas!

jconservative

August 16th, 2010
1:07 pm

Here is the court’s ruling in the Orly Taitz case.

(ORDER LIST: 561 U.S.)
MONDAY, AUGUST 16, 2010
ORDERS IN PENDING CASES

10A56
TAITZ, ORLY V. MACDONALD, THOMAS D., ET AL.
The application for stay addressed to Justice Alito and
referred to the Court is denied.

Bosch

August 16th, 2010
1:09 pm

“Senator Isakson told me himself that it is unclear whether the changes are due to human activity, natural forces, or perhaps a combination of the two.”

Well DAMN! THAT settles EVERYTHING!!! :roll:

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
1:14 pm

Bosch

Hi there!

Bosch

August 16th, 2010
1:15 pm

Hey Mrs. G.! Give Joe a scratch behind the ear for me! So…..big day not too far away!

Taylor

August 16th, 2010
1:21 pm

Bosch. I never said it settled everything. My point was that I am keeping an open mind, much like former Interior Secretary Norton said. My point is that there are economically sound approaches to take. Tell me one reason why we shouldn’t promote sustainable development in the Amazon. Almost every politician in Congress including Saxby Chambliss agrees that we should.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
1:23 pm

Rancourt?

The anarchist fired professor? Recently switched…..ah nope. He’s been a denier for years.

Bosch

August 16th, 2010
1:23 pm

Taylor,

I was joking with you. I agree with your post.

Bosch

August 16th, 2010
1:24 pm

Taylor,

But I have to take a shower every time I type “Chambliss” — there, well, I’ll be right back.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
1:30 pm

Bosch

# 1 got the urge to clean closets and cabinets yesterday…..so i figure any day now…

Joe says “thanks for the scratch got any pork chops?”

Don't forget

August 16th, 2010
1:30 pm

This is a science issue. We should be listening to scientists debate it, not politicians.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
1:35 pm

Taylor

August 16th, 2010
1:39 pm

Bosch. How was your shower? And what makes it so that you have to do so everytime you type Chambliss? Why not just type Saxby?

Bosch

August 16th, 2010
1:41 pm

Mrs. G.

I like Fareed. He can make people look like idiots so calmly and they don’t even realize he’s done it.

Bosch

August 16th, 2010
1:41 pm

Taylor,

Well, there IS that other part of “his” name, but I just can’t do it. I have to open up veins when I do that.

JohnnyReb

August 16th, 2010
1:43 pm

Of more immediate concern than man’s feeble attempt to control the weather, is the Obama administration meeting to discuss what to do with Fannie and Freddie. All who have paid their mortgage and taxes, and are not on the government dole, get ready to take another one. Gotta love that CRA and government social engineering! Yep, it fails every time, but that won’t stop Barry. Get ready for another Robin Hood solution that spreads the wealth.

Willx

August 16th, 2010
1:47 pm

I don’t look forward to the day my Grandkids call me Rich for making 50k per year. They will never see the equivalent income in their future work-life, thanks to the dumbocrats who voted for oblamey. No wonder so many income tax paying legal Americans are deciding not to have kids. They will have no future worth living. The dream is over. unless you are a blood thirsty muslim.

Abrazos

August 16th, 2010
1:48 pm

@1:21 PM “I am keeping an open mind, much like former Interior Secretary Norton said”

This former Secretary Norton who quit so she could take a job with Shell Oil? Not what I’d call an impartial observer.

“In January 2006, Norton’s Interior Department awarded three oil shale leases on federal land in Colorado — potentially worth hundreds of billions — to a subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell. Two months later, Norton resigned, saying she had no job lined up. But later that year, she was hired by Shell as in-house counsel.”

Bosch

August 16th, 2010
1:53 pm

“They will never see the equivalent income in their future work-life, thanks to the dumbocrats who voted for oblamey.”

Oh, another one of THOSE who thinks history started in January ‘09. :roll:

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
1:54 pm

Bosch

and ….he’s hot.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:03 pm

So glad Obama is getting us out of IRAQ, since the violence and al-Qaida are gone?

In Muqdadiyah on Aug. 14, Iraqi forces killed a suspected al-Qaida in Iraq associate and arrested another while searching for a suspected al-Qaida in Iraq member who allegedly is responsible for building and planting bombs that attach to vehicles magnetically. While approaching the targeted building, members of the combined security force composed of Iraqi forces and U.S. advisors saw a man carrying an assault rifle in a palm grove. As Iraqi forces surrounded the grove, the man was shot and killed when he engaged the security force.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:05 pm

More “Change”?

New record set for metro Atlanta foreclosures
The number of foreclosure notices in the 13-county region skyrocketed 59 percent in August from July, shattering the previous monthly record, according to Equity Depot

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
2:05 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:03 pm

Recruiting offices are all over the place and with your skills…
well you’d just straighten out that mess quick as a wink!

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
2:08 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:05 pm

Well isn’t that foreclosure list good for the GOP?

They do have a history of using them to challenge voters who have lost their homes.

Reggie

August 16th, 2010
2:08 pm

Taylor- much too logical. It appears to be more fun to light our hair on fire and fling ourselves off of balconies.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
2:16 pm

Fang1944 says: “Savants of the Middle Ages knew perfectly well that the world is round. Eratosthenes calculated the Earth’s circumference in the third century BC and was only off by about 1%. Not bad considering that his only instrument was a stick stuck in the ground. They also understood that “down” is toward the center of the Earth as you can see from reading Dante’s Inferno.”

Wikipedia says: “In ancient China the prevailing belief was that the earth was flat and square, while the heavens were round, an assumption virtually unquestioned until the introduction of European astronomy in the 17th century. The English sinologist Cullen emphasizes the point that there was no concept of a round earth in ancient Chinese astronomy.” Apparently, there were some who just couldn’t get thru their head that the world was round.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:20 pm

So glad Obama has a timetable for withdrawal. It’s going to be a vacation paradise when we leave. Opium heaven!!!

WASHINGTON, Aug. 15, 2010 – Growing pockets of security progress in Afghanistan must be extended and linked to fully root out the Taliban and other extremist organizations, and that will take time, the top U.S. and NATO commander there said in a prerecorded interview aired today.

“We’re making progress, and progress is winning, if you will,” Army Gen. David H. Petraeus told NBC’s David Gregory in the “Meet the Press” interview. “But it takes the accumulation of a lot of progress ultimately … to win overall, and that’s going to be a long-term proposition, without question.”

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
2:20 pm

….or are you too damn lazy to use google and do some damn research if you dont believe the various links posted here in the last hour…

I don’t need to look at any links, as I was in my mid 20’s during the years 1978-1981, sport.

What you describe as “all the screaming from the left,” was barely a blip on the radar.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:26 pm

Honor

Lindsay Lohan 24, gets her name and face all over the news because she went to jail.

THE 12 MEN BELOW ALL GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR YOU THIS WEEK IN THE MILITARY.

Justin Allen 23,
Brett Linley 29,
Matthew Weikert 29,
Justus Bartett 27,
Dave Santos 21,
Chase Stanley 21,
Jesse Reed 26,
Matthew Johnson 21,
Zachary Fisher 24,
Brandon King 23,
Christopher Goeke 23,
and
Sheldon Tate 27,

HONOR THEM BY REPOSTING THIS MESSAGE!

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:28 pm

MNGL,

Excuses will not help you or your party. Join the “change” or deal with it like an adult.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
2:32 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:28 pm

I have been reading your posts for years, you’re really not the best spokesperson for adult behavior.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:39 pm

Do we need to bring Nixon back from the dead to HELP Obama deal with the Chinese? Seems Obama is in over his head.

WASHINGTON, Aug. 16, 2010 – China has made some progress, but not enough, in military transparency, and the Chinese decision to suspend military-to-military contacts with the United States is acting against the interests of both countries, according to the latest annual report in a congressionally mandated series.

Defense Department officials released “Military and Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China” today.

China is developing into an economic superpower, and that growth is allowing the Chinese government to invest more in its military. China has embarked on a massive effort to modernize its military and transform its structure, doctrine and strategy, according to the report.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
2:44 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:39 pm

Considering we still spend 7 times more than China I’ll sit out on the front porch and have a julep while you hide in the basement.

Jack

August 16th, 2010
2:47 pm

Global warming is probably the cause for all the problems at the Dekalb County school system.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:50 pm

MNGL,

Sometimes you have to use fire to put out the flames of “hope and change”!

aztec dreaming

August 16th, 2010
2:50 pm

2012, nothing matters, the end is near…

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:51 pm

MNGL,

Please post when you see the mushroom cloud. I’m sure you will have time? I prefer to cut the head of the snake off.

Peter

August 16th, 2010
2:53 pm

Being Republican I only care about ripping off society, and getting rich, no matter who I screw.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
2:54 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
2:51 pm

You are one of those snake handlers?

Williebkind

August 16th, 2010
2:54 pm

Well I think I going to spit if I hear another report about Islam being a peaceful religion. The taliban stoned a man and a woman for adultry. Man that makes me want a culture center right away.

Peter

August 16th, 2010
2:55 pm

Hey…..I’m here from the government and I’m here to help …….

I am so glad Bush got us into the Iraq mess, he really knew how to rip off America !

We should be proud of how badly he and Cheney screwed America…Hats off to Republican’s !

Taylor

August 16th, 2010
2:56 pm

Jack I do happen to have an idea as to how local school boards can help get more money. Care to hear it?

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
2:57 pm

granny,

I belong to a “snake handling” denomination of pentacostalism and I don’t appreciate your bigotry or name calling

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:03 pm

Snake Handler
Who’s here from
the government and
who’s here to help

2:57

well in many states you are now breaking the law.

but if this is what you wish to do may I suggest
you slip the snake a pepcid before he bites you

Q-bert

August 16th, 2010
3:09 pm

God is watching you!

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:10 pm

Peter

Welcome to America. We built the Greatest Country in the world. Do you think we did it by giving it to the poor?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:11 pm

MNDL,

Don’t handle snakes. Cut off their heads. Get the difference? I doubt it!

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:13 pm

Peter
August 16th, 2010
2:55 pm

Hey…..I’m here from the government and I’m here to help …….

I am so glad Bush got us into the Iraq mess, he really knew how to rip off America !

We should be proud of how badly he and Cheney screwed America…Hats off to Republican’s !
______________________________________________________________

Peter,

Here in America the CONGRESS OVERWHELMINGLY voted to go to war with IRAQ. Get you facts straight, stop drinking the kook-aid, then we can talk.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
3:14 pm

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
3:15 pm

tick….tick….tick…..

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:15 pm

MNGL,

Is your comprehension a daily problem?

Tommy Maddox

August 16th, 2010
3:16 pm

So the Russians and the NYT are opining in unison? There’s a surprise.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:17 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:11 pm

Why do I suspect you really mean bite their heads off?

As in the Merriam Webster definition of geek.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:17 pm

KamKam,

Care to talk about today’s events or are you still living in the past?

Please don’t use the “S” word, as I just got some. Not sure I can get it back up that fast. But I’ll try! :)

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:18 pm

I’m here from the
government and
I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:13 pm

of course Congress got lied to also…..

Ponch

August 16th, 2010
3:18 pm

Free Larry Wilcox

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:18 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:13 pm

I comprehend you well enough me bucko!

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:18 pm

MNGL,

Could be because you haven’t had your MEDS today?

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:20 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:17 pm

and the poor goat is getting shots as we speak

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:20 pm

MNGL,

Welcome to my hook! When Obama lies, your happy, right?

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:20 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:18 pm

You’re momma’s late with the delivery again

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:21 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:18 pm

make that your momma….

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:22 pm

MNGL,

Leave my goat out of it. :) It’s my goat, get your own. BTW, bucko? What’s a bucko?

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
3:22 pm

Please don’t use the “S” word, as I just got some.

Commie…Commie…Commie…I went to bat for you next door at JB’s and this is how you show your gratitude?

I’m crushed.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:23 pm

granny godzilla
August 16th, 2010
3:21 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:18 pm

make that your momma….
___________________________________________

MNGL,

Did you come up with that one all by yourself? Is a bucko the same as a sport?

Bosch

August 16th, 2010
3:24 pm

stands,

What the hell is “Muslim” food?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:25 pm

KAMKAM,

Did you hit it out of the park? Or at least get a single, double?

J. Kase

August 16th, 2010
3:25 pm

Granny….I’m here;

Do you two want to be alone. When I liked someone in elementary school, we antagonized each other just like you two. It meant we kinda like each other.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:26 pm

Bosch
August 16th, 2010
3:24 pm

stands,

What the hell is “Muslim” food?

It ain’t PIG! :)

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:27 pm

I love my MNGL, I think everybody should own, I mean have one! :)

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:28 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:20 pm

You’re more Peter Pan than Hook

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
3:28 pm

granny,

thats not funny. Besides, sodomy is illegal in many states, do you expect people to follow laws that go against laws that go against their pursuit of happiness, infringe upon their civil rights and privacy?
You’re argument is bigoted and you are one sided in who you show contempt for.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
3:29 pm

Did you hit it out of the park? Or at least get a single, double?

Since I argued that Grand Forks wasn’t LA/Who Dat, I would have to admit I struck out.

Allahu Akbar

August 16th, 2010
3:31 pm

Resistance is futile…

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:32 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
3:27 pm

you have the ability to love?

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:33 pm

Snake Handler
Who’s here from
the government and
who’s here to help

3:28

I would also suggest you soak your fingers in Dales’ for 20 minutes first

J. Kase

August 16th, 2010
3:35 pm

Ah, the children are so cute when they’re young and in love.

granny's herniated groin

August 16th, 2010
3:35 pm

Stu Ostro of The NOAA’s Weather Channel? The Weather Channel, proud, national partner with Classroom Earth?

Climate data from NOAA and NASA were found to have been deceptively manipulated.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
3:38 pm

What the hell is “Muslim” food?

Bosch, seriously?

I’m no expert nor am I observant, but from what I gather, observant Muslims follow Halal dietary laws. Rather similarly to Jewish Kosher dietary practices, and in fact any food that is Kosher is by definition Halal, although it doesn’t work the other way (for instance, I don’t think Halal requires separation of meat and dairy prep/serving vessels.)

Anyone who knows better, feel free to correct…

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
3:39 pm

I don’t need to look at any links, as I was in my mid 20’s during the years 1978-1981, sport.

What you describe as “all the screaming from the left,” was barely a blip on the radar.

Wow, how condescending,….as usual from liberals….and whether it was a blip or not is your
opinion….”blips” dont normally make the cover of Time…or did you miss that post?

Sup wid dat

August 16th, 2010
3:39 pm

“Our country has not experienced such a heat wave in the last 50 or even 100 years,” Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said last week ”

So… every 50 or 100 years it gets this warm… Call me crazy, but should global warming cause a year over year increase in temp – every year? Try to sell this global warming to So Cal (cold as hell this year) and parts of Europe which are still thawing out from the coldest winter on record.

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
3:41 pm

Don’t know if everyone’s heard, but he mosque in NY city is planning on having the opening ceremonies on 9/11/2011. What a load of shyt.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
3:42 pm

and for the record “sport”, I was in my 20’s also…..

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
3:43 pm

“What the hell is “Muslim” food?”

Here’s your sign Bosch.

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
3:43 pm

granny,

you are clearly a bigot.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
3:44 pm

….”blips” dont normally make the cover of Time…

Lots of things make the cover of Time magazine, sport. That does not equate to, “all the screaming from the left.”

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
3:46 pm

Have been told that it isn’t a mosque, but a muslin community center. Not sure what that means, but I believe they have the right to build it anywhere they want…..but, why put it there? IMO, it’s like stopping your vehicle with a beer in your hand to ask a police officer directions. My question is why would you bring attention to yourself over this?

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:48 pm

Snake Handler
Who’s here from
the government and
who’s here to help

3:43

Don’t tell the Norwegians, they don’t know.

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
3:49 pm

Muslim, not muslin.

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
3:49 pm

This is not “here from the government.” I’m a devout pentacostal and I’m amazed at your level of bigotry toward my spritual and religious beliefs and practices.

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
3:50 pm

Peadawg, do you really believe the Cordoba center is scheduled to open on 9/11/2011?

really?

ok, I’ll ask–where did you hear this?

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
3:50 pm

I agree T-Town. The argument isn’t about rights…they have the right to do build it anywhere. It just seems really…wrong(for a lack of a better word).

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
3:51 pm

it isn’t a mosque, but a muslin community center. Not sure what that means

Think “YMCA.”

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:52 pm

J. Kase

if your theory is accurate Sarah Palin is soooo hot for Barack Obama!

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
3:53 pm

Snake Handler
Who’s here from
the government and
who’s here to help

and I am St. Bernadette

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
3:53 pm

again condescension….grow up and just debate your point, please….

stands for decibels

August 16th, 2010
3:54 pm

actually, why not just check out their website?

from www. park51. org

Park51 will grow into a world-class community center, planned to include the following facilities:

* outstanding recreation spaces and fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court)
* a 500-seat auditorium
* a restaurant and culinary school
* cultural amenities including exhibitions
* education programs
* a library, reading room and art studios
* childcare services
* a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community
* a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all

J. Kase

August 16th, 2010
3:54 pm

Granny,

Do be careful, I’ve seen funnier things happen. But wouldn’t that be like the Hatfield and the McCoys getting it on?

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
3:54 pm

“ok, I’ll ask–where did you hear this?”

It’s called google. Try it out. I heard it on the radio so I googled to be sure, “cordoba center opening on 9/11/2011″.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
3:55 pm

peadawg, they have now changed that, last I heard, to be “breaking ground on”…but you are right, that was the hoped for opening date originally….

another Obama Tap Dance

August 16th, 2010
3:56 pm

How will all the Libs survive so-called “Global Warming” in their Burhka’?

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
3:57 pm

“peadawg, they have now changed that, last I heard, to be “breaking ground on”…but you are right, that was the hoped for opening date originally….”

Thanks for the update. “breaking ground on”, “opening ceremony”, etc……why pick this specific day?

ronald

August 16th, 2010
4:00 pm

Cynthia- Please write a blog about the woman who was stoned to death this weekend by the Taliban. I think since you’ve defended the Muslim’s right to build a mosque near the WTC site, that it would “fair” for you to highlight the brutal nature that the Muslim world inflicts upon women.

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
4:01 pm

Granny,

you are a bigot

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
4:01 pm

SFD; If it was just a YMCA, this conversation wouldn’t be occurring. I’ve learned that one shouldn’t mess with a hornet’s nest if one doesn’t want to be stung….even it it’s perfectly legal.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
4:04 pm

The point kamchak, is nothing I said was untrue…but you know that. CT said she remembered no debate about this point and that she thought I made it up. I didn’t. It was a real debate at the time. Just because you were floating in your 20’s and this didn’t make an impression on you does not change the fact that it was a pretty serious debate discussed by all the major media of the day. You can parse my words to your little heart’s desire, but it doesn’t change the focus or the content of the point I made. If I have to make it clear to you (and obviously you need clarification since you cant get past the word “screaming”, which is my impression ((not FACT, my impression)) of what liberals do to get their point across) is that through the 20th and now the 21st century, we have debated global warming, then global cooling, then global warming, etc.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 16th, 2010
4:04 pm

MNGL,

Always nice to hear your point of view. Reinterates why I vote!

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
4:05 pm

The Taliban stoned a woman to death at the WTC site for adultery?

Peadawg

August 16th, 2010
4:06 pm

“The Taliban stoned a woman to death at the WTC site for adultery?”

Here’s your sign.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
4:07 pm

Who knows their reasoning….I agree they have the RIGHT under our constitution….but it is pretty inflammatory to do this….and they know that. So, my friends on the left….do you buy their argument that they are doing this for healing? I heard reported that one of the tenets of Islam is to build mosques at the site of great victories….but I havent heard anyone that was an Islamic scholar states this…but I am curious….

neo-Carlinist

August 16th, 2010
4:08 pm

Snake Handler, if you truly are, you need to “forgive” Granny for her bigtory and move on. Personally, I prefer the term “Snake Juggler” – it offer more of a carny-barker/circus feel to me. And don’t go resting on your laurels, John Denver was a commited and dare I say; “devout” pilot, until the moment crashed into the Pacific Ocean and died.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 16th, 2010
4:08 pm

In a bid to attract a younger audience, Cox radio has decided to simulcast its news/talk station 750/WSB-AM at 95.5 on the FM dial starting at noon today.

What was the name of that station that’s going to carry Liberal views? I want to see how strong their signal is? I’m guessing about a half a mile but I could be overstating it.

ken R

August 16th, 2010
4:10 pm

Again, for the third time, 32,000 Scientists signed a petition that there is no Global Warming proof, the Liberal dummies can either believe a handful of politicans and 6 Journalists or 32,000 Scientists.

Just another cut & paste crappy article.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
4:11 pm

The point kamchak, is nothing I said was untrue…

Except the whole “screaming” thing…which is exactly the point that our hostess called you on.

Hyperbolating (if Caribou Barbie can make up words, so can I) like a 13-year old girl really doesn’t help your case about being a 50 something year old.

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
4:12 pm

Pogo

August 16th, 2010
4:12 pm

What is at the core of this “climate change” or “global warming” crap is basically this; the progressives, the socialists and the communists want more than anything for the capitalism to fail. Afterall, capitalism is built upon the premise that if people work hard and they rely upon themselves more than government, they will be rewarded. This is the priniciple that has made America great. But throughout recent world history (125 years) there has been a certain faction of people that didn’t want it this way. They did not want peoples shortcomings to prevent them from succeeding as much as the person with more skills, more drive and more common sense. They want everyone the same both socially and economically no matter how hard and how well the individual works. Cindy is like this. All progressives thrive on this idea.

Climate change is nothing more than a screen for wealth distribution on a national and worldwide basis in the neverending progressive search for equality. For those that critsize capitalism remember this; capitalism is what is allowing you to sit on your @$$ typing at a computer all day all nice and comfy in your air conditioned room with plenty of cheeze whiz and crackers to eat. Without capitalism, most of what we see here today wouldn’t be here. But I wouldn’t expect progressives to ever understand that.

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
4:12 pm

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
4:12 pm

Abrazos

August 16th, 2010
4:13 pm

Hey, I Googled “cordoba center opening on 9/11/2011″ and found some stuff. I also Googled “nutcases believe cordoba opening 9/11/2011″ and found some stuff. You can type ANYTHING into Google and run across SOMETHING, for Pete’s sake.

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
4:13 pm

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
4:13 pm

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
4:16 pm

You know Mr. Kamchak, talking TO someone instead down AT them will get you more friends at the sandbox. But being the “leg-humping sport” that I am, I’m sure my suggestion will go on deaf ears.

Sport spelled backwards is tropS

August 16th, 2010
4:18 pm

Enter your comments here

Sport spelled backwards is "tropS"

August 16th, 2010
4:19 pm

hey sport = trops yeh

yay, I did it again. Hello everybody, look at meeeee!

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
4:20 pm

Snake Handler
who claims he’s not
from the government
and nor here to help

How do you feel about the Cordoba Center?

Independent J

August 16th, 2010
4:21 pm

“Climate change” isnt that another word for “weather” and riddle me this? whats the earth temperature supposed to be, and how do you know this?

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
4:22 pm

You know Mr. Kamchak, talking TO someone instead down AT them will get you more friends at the sandbox.

I’ll make a note.

Williebkind

August 16th, 2010
4:22 pm

The professional left is angry with BHO. The professional left? Do you have to have a degree to be part of this cult?

Snake Handler

August 16th, 2010
4:24 pm

granny,

I believe in religious freedom i.e. the right to “handle” snakes as a faith rite. Therefore I believe it is legal for the cordoba center to be built.

you are a bigot

T-Town

August 16th, 2010
4:24 pm

“I’ll make a note.”

Thank you.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
4:24 pm

damn, you ARE dense….go reread CT’s comment. It wasn’t the screaming comment. SHE DIDNT BELIEVE THE DEBATE TOOK PLACE AT ALL. wow….I give you…you are REALLY to dense to respond to again

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
4:29 pm

thats ” I give up on you”…as in trying to be reasonable to you…

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
4:31 pm

markie mark, I remember the years between 1978 and 1981 pretty well, and I remember no “screaming” that “we were in global cooling.” I think you’re making that up. – CT’s comments this morning….do any other reasonable (quote, unquote) think that she was taking exception to my use of the word screaming, or discounting my entire comment that we had “global Cooling” debates in the late 70″s?

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
4:32 pm

reasonable “people”….sorry for the typo

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
4:33 pm

damn, you ARE dense….go reread CT’s comment. It wasn’t the screaming comment.

Certainly

ctucker

August 16th, 2010
9:32 am

markie mark, I remember the years between 1978 and 1981 pretty well, and I remember no “screaming” that “we were in global cooling.” I think you’re making that up.

Yep, just as I remember.

That pesky word “screaming” that you are desperately trying to walk back from.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
4:36 pm

Snake Handler
August 16th, 2010
4:24 pm

granny,

I believe in religious freedom i.e. the right to “handle” snakes as a faith rite. Therefore I believe it is legal for the cordoba center to be built.
____________________________________________________

MNGL aka GG, this is not me. I have not nor will I ever change my name.
I’m here to help! :)

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
4:36 pm

Snake Handler
who claims he’s not
from the government
and nor here to help

sorry, you can call me a bigot all day long, snake handling
is bizarre and illegal in many states including GA…..

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
4:37 pm

Original post…and I havent walked away from anything I said…my memory and impression is the same…the left screams out their points when they are on a “mission”….and last time it was global cooling…

.remember all the screaming from the left between 1978 and 1981 that we were in globing cooling? All the press, Democrats,etc. were screaming at the conservatives that we were crazy and the world was going into an ice age…

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
4:39 pm

MNGL,

But if it’s helps you sleep better believe whatever. You do believe in Obama, so that’s enough.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
4:41 pm

and as bloggers did by simply doing some research, its easy to find articles on it….however, they didnt have 24 hour news cycles in those days….so nothing is as blown up as it is now. But if you refuse to look…..and rely on a 30 year + memory….then there you have the typical “it didnt happen because I say so” approach. good luck with that.

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
4:42 pm

I’m here from
the government
and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
4:39 pm

as I said and I am St. Bernadette

[...] according several …Official: Russian disaster sign of global warmingThe Associated PressRussian government sees harsh evidence of global warmingAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Russian expert says abnormally hot summer – result of global [...]

thomas

August 16th, 2010
4:45 pm

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
4:36 pm

Many considered homosexuality to be the same as you described in your response at 4:36pm. Not me but a vast majority of americans felt this way less than 3 decades ago.

Why do you insult or demean every single thing you either do not agree with, do not understand or do not care about?

Are you simply that bitter or is it a cover-up for your vast insecurities?

sam

August 16th, 2010
4:49 pm

virtually all respectable scientists worldwide agree that the climate change we now experience is mainly caused by burning too much fossil fuel, and call for an immediate reduction in CO2 emissions by moving away from burning oil and coal to produce energy and replacing it with clean energy like wind and solar. Unfortunately, reducing fossil fuel consumption would hurt the oil and coal industry’s bottom line so they created these fake ‘think tanks’ that have been spreading lies and misinformation about global warming and trying to discredit the scientists. This industry also spends huge amounts of money to lobby and influence politicians not to move toward green energy. More and more people finally see through this deception…we need to wake up and demand clean energy now; we are way behind many other industrialized countries when it comes to sustainable energy production. All the profits made from oil and gas are not going to help us when crops fail due to drought, forests burn and thousands die in flooding.

Pogo

August 16th, 2010
4:54 pm

Granny being a bigot is the least of her faults. Granny is a “rainbow colored glasses” liberal progressive (just like Cindy, except you have to include Cindy’s hatred of of all things white in any analysis of her). Granny is an unflappable, ideological, liberal/progressive remnant of the 60’s. Cindy is a bigoted/liberal/progressive remnant of whenever. These are about as bad as it gets in terms of any future vision for America. I mean, the vast majority of those 60’s radicals turned around and became money loving “mainstream” capitalists (not that that is a bad thing). But a few, like Granny, just continued with the socialist/progressive mantra and that IS the world they will never escape. By and large, the 60’s gang were a bunch of hypocrits. However, I don’t think Cindy is entirely a hypocrit. She has pretty much stuck to her guns about all things progressive/socialist and with the chip on her shoulder that she has carried for many years against whites. I truly believe that if there was a possibility that Chavez could take over America tomorrow Cindy would support it. To Cindy, at least Chavez is Hispanic, which technically isn’t white. As far as Chavez being a communist dictator, that would make it all the better for her or “icing on the cake” so to speak. Cindy has some really deep unresolved racial issues and if anyone wants to call anyone a bigot, it should be her.

ronald

August 16th, 2010
4:56 pm

I find it very telling that we spend much of our time debating things like global warming, gay rights, college football, traffic in downtown Atlanta, etc. etc.

And while we are debating these “issues”, there are innocent women who are being killed in the middle east by the most barbaric methods imaginable. It would seem that if people put aside their differences on really debatable issues and came together to solve non-debatable “low hanging fruit” issues like stoning, that would be a great thing. Left wingers and right-winger should all agree that this is an issue that is important enough to address, regardless of where in the world it takes place. I’d really like to see this issue take a more prominant spot on politicians’ platforms.

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
4:56 pm

Sam, I am not being argumentative….I really want to know what other industrialized countries are we behind with green energy? Europe is beating our butts off with nuclear energy, because the left effectively halted nuclear development in the US in the 70’s. I am not sure (and maybe you do know and I havent thought of it) but what other large scale alternatives are there? Certainly not wind, at this point…solar is in the development stage….

granny godzilla

August 16th, 2010
4:58 pm

thomas

nope.

i think snake handling is weird, and it is illegal in that state.

but thanks for all those words anyway.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:00 pm

WHY does Obama’s White House panic over two-party crashers but does nothing about people that crash our borders?

EXPLAIN LIBS!

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
5:02 pm

dang granny….we agree that snake handling is a little weird….but if it makes thomas happy, and I dont get bit….well, he may be in for a “heres your sign” moment himself…but you and me agreeing….is there an eclipse today?

markie mark

August 16th, 2010
5:03 pm

I’m Here…..because Obama doesnt live in Texas, Arizona, or California….

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 16th, 2010
5:03 pm

After weeks of heated debate over plans for an Islamic community center near Ground Zero – the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York – it seems Muslim leaders will soon back down, agreeing to move to a new site.

You won, America!

Thanks obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
5:06 pm

Why do you insult or demean every single thing you either do not agree with, do not understand or do not care about?

Thirty years of talk-radio has framed the political debate.

Granny Godzilla is speaking to you silly cons in your own language.

When you start to vent your poutrage with the same vehemence about talk-radio, then you will begin to have a point.

But until then…

TaxPayer

August 16th, 2010
5:12 pm

Here (if links are allowed, that is) is a little reading material for all you skeptics out there. Try it. You might like it unless facts scare you. And if links are not allowed, then perhaps this will work:

h ttp://www.skepticalscience.com/Newcomers-Start-Here.html

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:12 pm

KamKam,

How can we criticize talk radio when we love it. Libs included, as long as they stay on the air for at least 3 months and don’t broadcast at 3 AM.

philip

August 16th, 2010
5:16 pm

“Thirty years of talk-radio has framed the political debate.”

Unlike TV, where the likes of Sean Hannity or Keith Olberman shout their opinions at the top of their lungs, talk radio is where callers can put facts on the table and let logic determine the winners and losers. Its not a coincidence that liberal “ideas” don’t make the cut on radio call-in shows.

Taylor

August 16th, 2010
5:21 pm

Slaps Markie Mark a high five. I am with you on building more nuclear plants.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
5:22 pm

Libs included, as long as they stay on the air for at least 3 months and don’t broadcast at 3 AM.

No, Commie. That’s why Air-America is a failed business model.

Most libs I know do the public broadcasting listening/watching thing.

Mr Right

August 16th, 2010
5:23 pm

The AJC pays you to write this nonsence?

Tundra Dude

August 16th, 2010
5:28 pm

Imo, the correct headline should be: “Russia has Hot Summer”

It;s not Global, it’s Local.

False alarm, anyway..latest news from Moscow is there’s a major storm coming, temps will plummet to 68 degrees….(mother nature, the party pooper)
.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:29 pm

Kamchak
August 16th, 2010
5:22 pm

Libs included, as long as they stay on the air for at least 3 months and don’t broadcast at 3 AM.

No, Commie. That’s why Air-America is a failed business model.

Most libs I know do the public broadcasting listening/watching thing.
__________________________________________________________

Thanks! Explains why channel 8 and 30 require public donations.

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
5:31 pm

…talk radio is where callers can put facts on the table and let logic determine the winners and losers.

Guess I’ll have to take your word on that, but don’t they first get screened by a producer who asks about the caller’s comment/question?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:37 pm

Kamchak
August 16th, 2010
5:31 pm

…talk radio is where callers can put facts on the table and let logic determine the winners and losers.

Guess I’ll have to take your word on that, but don’t they first get screened by a producer who asks about the caller’s comment/question?
_________________________________________________________________

Like PBS or CSPAN!

Speaking of CSPAN, Obama promised all BILLS would be discussed on CSPAN and placed online for the public’s review. Almost two years later, I haven’t seen shyt on either. WHY? Does Obama lie?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:41 pm

Heading out to our favorite Italian restaurant tonight. Any of you LIBS want to join us, please do. It’s a real LIBERAL LOVING place.

Amalfi’s on Atlanta st. in Roswell, GA

Check it out and be sure to let Sal the bartender know how LIBERAL you are. He’s from Italy where they have ObamaCare and loves to tell you how WONDERFUL it is, especially since it almost killed his mother.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 16th, 2010
5:42 pm

Mr Right

August 16th, 2010
5:23 pm

No, the AJC pays her to cut and paste this nonsense.

C Tucker, the race baiter

August 16th, 2010
5:44 pm

I’m here from the government and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:41 pm

If he’s against Obamacare, or ANY Obama legislation, he must be a racist. That’s what the O Administration always says, right?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 16th, 2010
5:44 pm

By Jay Bookman | Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 04:15 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

In today’s Guardian, Sidney Blumenthal makes an argument that readers of this blog will find familiar: The election of 2008 marks the end of the Reagan era.

Yep.

Obama’s era of Democratic domination is ova- August 16, 2010

Ahahahahahahahahahaha, just laughin…

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
5:47 pm

Almost two years later, I haven’t seen shyt on either. WHY? Does Obama lie?

OH MY GOD!

A politician LIED?

Stop the presses. Freeze the interwebs, ’cause I think you’re on to something BIG.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:48 pm

C Tucker, the race baiter
August 16th, 2010
5:44 pm

I’m here from the government and I’m here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:41 pm

If he’s against Obamacare, or ANY Obama legislation, he must be a racist. That’s what the O Administration always says, right?
________________________________________________________________

Which would make me more racists than OBAMA. BTW, 100% of the world is racists. It’s natural. Those that say they are not racists, have a HAPPY never disagreeing marriage to. Those are the people I laugh at, not with and then get as far away from as possible.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:50 pm

Kamchak
August 16th, 2010
5:47 pm

Almost two years later, I haven’t seen shyt on either. WHY? Does Obama lie?

OH MY GOD!

A politician LIED?

Stop the presses. Freeze the interwebs, ’cause I think you’re on to something BIG.
_____________________________________________________________

It was what he said over 1000 times, while he filled you full of hope and change. How’s that workng out for ya?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
5:52 pm

KAMKAM and all LIBS,

Drink slowly, the hope is over and the change is coming.

Adios!

Kamchak

August 16th, 2010
5:54 pm

How’s that workng[sic] out for ya?

Pretty good, so far.

But I never believed that there was enough hope in the multi-verse to dig us out of this morass that is the result of thirty some odd years of trickle-on alchemy.

Which is why I supported Juan McSame in the previous election cycle.

ronald

August 16th, 2010
5:55 pm

“BTW, 100% of the world is racists. It’s natural.”

To Mr. “I’m Here”- That is simply not true. Everyone is NOT a racist.

ronald

August 16th, 2010
5:56 pm

“Those are the people I laugh at, not with and then get as far away from as possible.”

And the 2nd part of your statement implies that you believe yourself to be a racist. If thats the case, then do us all a favor and stay far away.

Pogo

August 16th, 2010
6:00 pm

C. Tucker isn’t a race baiter. She is a “race believer” and, in her opinion, only one race (her own) really matters. No one else is worthy of living in the “Cindy Universe”. Cindy is the ultmate racist. I have read her for many, many years and the only term that can adequately describe her is ” a progressive racist”. I only read her to know how pathetic and quite frankly destructive people such as herself are thinking. It always pays to know what the fringe element is thinking. And Cindy is, if nothing else, fringe. She is a dinosaur and her day is quickly coming to past. While she has intelligence, it has been wasted on her hatred and her assumed role of being a victim. She is a lifelong victim.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
6:03 pm

ronald
August 16th, 2010
5:55 pm

“BTW, 100% of the world is racists. It’s natural.”

To Mr. “I’m Here”- That is simply not true. Everyone is NOT a racist.
________________________________________________________

Who’s not a racists? You? ROFLMAO :)

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
6:06 pm

ronald
August 16th, 2010
5:56 pm

“Those are the people I laugh at, not with and then get as far away from as possible.”

And the 2nd part of your statement implies that you believe yourself to be a racist. If thats the case, then do us all a favor and stay far away.
__________________________________________________________________

Running from Ronny! He’s a big bad boy!

Marvin the Martian

August 16th, 2010
6:06 pm

Freedom of religion is protected by the Constitution. Islam is a religion.
That’s all that you need to know. The rest is thinly veiled bigotry.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
6:07 pm

Marvin the Martian
August 16th, 2010
6:06 pm

Freedom of religion is protected by the Constitution. Islam is a religion.
That’s all that you need to know. The rest is thinly veiled bigotry.
____________________________________________________________-

Build it, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!

tscali

August 16th, 2010
6:08 pm

granny and ct are bleeding hearts in need of a transfusion.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 16th, 2010
6:10 pm

Gotta go Ronny, sorry we couldn’t have a race debate. I do love a race debate! I bet you can say the “N” word but think I can’t. That’s not racists! LOL :)

Marvin the Martian

August 16th, 2010
6:24 pm

I’m here from the government,

No, sir. Your party screams “Constitution” in every sentence. If you’re going to slap it in everyone’s face, then walk the walk. If you don’t believe this center can go up, you don’t believe in the Constitution. You can’t have it both ways. Wisdom is honorable, xenophobia need not apply.

getalife

August 16th, 2010
6:41 pm

There is a mosque for block away cons.

I guess two blocks made you cut and run from our Constitution.

cons are the weakest Americans.

Hoghead

August 16th, 2010
6:53 pm

“And tonight, we are reminded that Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity. And Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been a part of America. The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan —- making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago. (Applause.)”, Barak Obama.

Wow, lies of omission and commission. Here is the crux. Tunisia was not even a nation when Jefferson was president. The guy who came to dinner was a Muslim delegate sent by the pirates of the Bay of Tunis (think about the Marines and the history you know to be true) to ransom U.S. personnel and citizens held in captivity by the pirates. Apparently things did not go well as the emissary could not get over the fact that women were present around men and Jefferson didn’t take kindly to his request for concubine services be provided him. There was a meeting, Jefferson got agitated and tossed the guy out for his effrontery. The emissary turned and asked if Americans were followers of Christ, Moses or Allah. Jefferson answered that Americans were free to worship as they wished. The emissary cursed the nation and left…

I am absolutely certain that NBC, CBS and ABC will all herald this story in the first segment of news tonight.

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TW

August 16th, 2010
8:00 pm

This fearful demonization of Islam doesn’t say much for the Christian belief in the power of Christ.

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August 16th, 2010
8:09 pm

SAN FRANCISCO – A federal appeals court put same-sex weddings in California on hold indefinitely Monday while it considers the constitutionality of the state’s gay marriage ban.

Even in San FranFreako, sick city in the kleptocracy of KKKalifornia, the perverted 9th Circuit Court of deviates stepped back from this depraved situation and said…..eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

ronald

August 16th, 2010
8:41 pm

“Who’s not a racists? You? ROFLMAO”

That is correct, “I’m here from the Gov’t”. I am not a racist. Are there any other conservative posters on this site? Is it just Scout and the other conservatives are all clowns? I’ve only been posting here for a few months, but thats the conclusion I’m coming to.

ronald

August 16th, 2010
8:46 pm

TW says “This fearful demonization of Islam doesn’t say much for the Christian belief in the power of Christ.”

TW- Some Americans condemn Islam because of their violent, barbaric culture. I’m not a religous guy at all, yet I still find much to criticize about the Muslim culture. My criticism is based on my sense of basic human rights. Don’t assume that everyone who criticizes Islam is a Christian..

TaxPayer

August 16th, 2010
8:57 pm

All these self-righteous folks on here claiming that they’re just doing what’s right by speaking out against that mean old Islam because of the way some folks use it to justify killing and such yet not a single one of these holier-than-thou types have even once mentioned the little facts about Rumsfeld and his biblical presentations to Bush or Bush and his mideast wars against gog and magog or the baptist preachers that were proclaiming Bush as being their chose one and Kerry being in league with the devil. Blah, blah, blah. Hypocrites.

Jackie

August 16th, 2010
9:03 pm

For those that believe building the mosque in New York is “un-Constitutional” or “insensitive” to Americans, a Federal judge in Missouri has allowed a church that protests against servicemen and servicewomen killed in Afghanistan and Iraq to continue their practice.

ronald

August 16th, 2010
9:05 pm

Are you comparing Baptists to Muslims? Wow…

TW

August 16th, 2010
9:12 pm

Radical Muslims don’t drink as much as Baptists.

Aside from that, it’s pretty much the same mental disorder.

fratricide

August 16th, 2010
9:53 pm

GW has TIllman’s blood on his hands

leroy sampson

August 16th, 2010
10:09 pm

Muslims and Baptists are two peas in the same pod of crazy

margo

August 16th, 2010
10:16 pm

The terrorists won before the battle was joined, the extreme right has pissed on the constitution in defense of ignorance.

bojangles

August 16th, 2010
10:58 pm

Freedom tastes like chicken….

AmVet

August 16th, 2010
11:09 pm

bo, loved your dirty rice too.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
4:54 am

Marvin the Martian
August 16th, 2010
6:24 pm

I’m here from the government,

No, sir. Your party screams “Constitution” in every sentence. If you’re going to slap it in everyone’s face, then walk the walk. If you don’t believe this center can go up, you don’t believe in the Constitution. You can’t have it both ways. Wisdom is honorable, xenophobia need not apply.
__________________________________________________________

For at least the 10th time!

Build it PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!

Any questions?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
4:57 am

ronald
August 16th, 2010
8:41 pm

“Who’s not a racists? You? ROFLMAO”

That is correct, “I’m here from the Gov’t”. I am not a racist. Are there any other conservative posters on this site? Is it just Scout and the other conservatives are all clowns? I’ve only been posting here for a few months, but thats the conclusion I’m coming to.
____________________________________________________________

The use of the word “Clown” is racists. Wanna try your BS again?

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 17th, 2010
5:14 am

TaxPayer
August 16th, 2010
8:57 pm

All these self-righteous folks on here claiming that they’re just doing what’s right by speaking out against that mean old Islam because of the way some folks use it to justify killing and such yet not a single one of these holier-than-thou types have even once mentioned the little facts about Rumsfeld and his biblical presentations to Bush or Bush and his mideast wars against gog and magog or the baptist preachers that were proclaiming Bush as being their chose one and Kerry being in league with the devil. Blah, blah, blah. Hypocrites.
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If you really love old Islam, you have that right. If you lived in IRAN you do not have that right. Its’ not about the “rights”, its’ about the issue of sacred grounds, which is defined as follows;
secured against violation, infringement, etc., as by reverence or sense of right.

We, the majority of Americans are entitled to have these feeling.

I pray we “Never Forget 9/11″!

I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 17th, 2010
5:57 am

Aahhh, the liberals rejoice, they have found themselves a threat to the hated United States of America-

BEIJING — China has eclipsed Japan as the world’s second-biggest economy after three decades of blistering growth that put overtaking the United States in reach within 10 years.

Japan is still far richer per person after confirming Monday that economic output fell behind its giant neighbor for the three months ending June 30.-Urinal

So basically, China’s economic output is derived from slave labor.

That always puts a gleam in the pinko’s eye, just sayin…

barking frog

August 17th, 2010
7:15 am

Real climate change is when the snowbirds
head south to Florida.

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
7:21 am

“Real climate change is when the snowbirds head south to Florida.”

Is this because we are a bunch of old farts? Oh well, see ya on the beach in November.

TaxPayer

August 17th, 2010
7:26 am

So basically, China’s economic output is derived from slave labor.

And the US consumes it like there’s no tomorrow because that is the stuff that major US corporations buy and ship here to the US instead of employing US citizens to make products. This calls for a tax break for the wealthy.

T-Town

August 17th, 2010
7:34 am

No TaxPayer, this crap is coming here because we the consumers are buying it. Coining an old phase: “if we don’t buy it, it won’t come!”

tyler

August 17th, 2010
7:48 am

Tell that to the very BLUE state of California that has experienced a record cold all summer long. So cold in fact it has destroyed most of their staple produce. Nice try CT.

TaxPayer

August 17th, 2010
7:52 am

No T-Town,

The crap is coming here because the major corporations bring it here and then we buy it. Give them all another tax cut to show your appreciation.

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August 31st, 2010
10:47 pm

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