I’m disappointed that the ADL has joined the demagogues
I am deeply disappointed by the Anti-Defamation League, a group which was founded to fight vicious bigotry and religious intolerance, specifically that against Jews.
The venerable organization has now made common cause with the bigots and demagogues who are fighting plans by a group of New York Muslims to build a community near (not at) Ground Zero. The ADL’s statement is careful in its wording, acknowledging that the Cordoba Initiative has the “right” to build near the site of the Twin Towers. (BTW, the Cordoba Initiative has been in the vicinity of Ground Zero for years.) Nevertheless, it provides cover to bigots and opportunists who are using the controversy for political gain (think Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich):
“Proponents of the Islamic Center may have every right to build at this site, and may even have chosen the site to send a positive message about Islam. The bigotry some have expressed in attacking them is unfair, and wrong,” the statement reads.
“But ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right. In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain unnecessarily and that is not right,” it says.
What is not right is for the ADL to join with those who smear all Muslims as somehow associated with suicidal jihadists. That’s the very definition of prejudice.
As a Christian, I want nothing to do with murders like Scott Roeder, who killed a Kansas abortion doctor and claimed he did it in God’s name. If anyone associated my Christianity with his, I’d be quite offended. But the ADL has joined with those who associate all Muslims with the 9/11 wackos.
As Trevor Swoverland wrote in the Duluth Tribune:
The Cordoba Initiative is dedicated to the promotion of human rights and democracy in the Muslim world, as well fostering understanding between mainstream Muslims and broader American society. The founder, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, has been an outspoken critic of terrorism and violence and a vocal advocate for the integration of Muslims into American society. The center would be a powerful statement to would-be terrorists and their companions that Muslims in America are fully American, and that terrorists will not define Islam here. What a powerful repudiation of terrorist ideology; it seems patently absurd to demand such a stand from American Muslims and then shout them down when they take it.
The ADL’s motto reads, in part, “to secure justice and fair treatment for all.” There is nothing in its position on the Cordoba mosque that does service to justice or fair treatment.
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Chris D.
July 30th, 2010
3:16 pm
US Citizen…So Stoning was practised in the Old Testament..You DO realize that Christianity did not exist then right?
Michael
July 30th, 2010
3:16 pm
If they acquired the land or have signed a long term lease with the landowner then they should be allowed to build there.
US CITIZEN
July 30th, 2010
3:18 pm
Well, love each over and love your ennemy.. Thats what they tought me in christian school
Reality is that most of us of us are full of hate and lets face it FEAR.
The fear is so great that it blocks our vision, we no longer dissociate from the good guys and the bad guys… Thats sad and dangerous. Remimber: Germany 1933. People were desperate and they blamed it on the jews. They didnt want to think for themselves that all humans are equal on rights and religion. One religion is not INFERIOR to another. ALL RELIGIONS ARE EQUAL. NO RELIGION HAS EVER BEEN PROVEN to BE RIGHT, IT IS JUST an IDEA…
Some live by it, some are inspired by it…. Everyone thinks his is the right one.. But please guys, lets be honest, a religion is just a spiritual guidance, we are who we are because of our parents. they planted it the religion when we were kids. Ronald, You could have been born a MUSLIM, and you would have lived your life like one. Maybe, even, you would have grown to be a terrorist, because of the kind of extreme ideas you have… Think of it.. Seriously, imagine you were born in a muslim family… think of that…
Tom Tell Truth
July 30th, 2010
3:24 pm
We are fighting a war half way around the world and still refuse to state clearly who are enemy is. Instead we call it a war on terror. What on earth does that mean? Nothing. We are fighting radical Islam. Until we are able to say this, we’ll have confused discussions about diversity, pluralism and religious freedom. All of these are values held by the US. But not by others. And radical Islam intends to use our freedoms against us. US Jews — that have a stamp in their passport indicating they have been to Israel, can’t go to Saudi Arabia. You can’t build a church or a synagogue in Saudi Arabia. There are dozens of mosques already in NYC. We are engaged in a cultural war with radical Islam – not ‘terrorism’ — whatever that means…….
US CITIZEN
July 30th, 2010
3:26 pm
Chris D. Have you heard of Inquisition in EUROPE in the 15th,16th and 17th century????
Have you ever heard of the atrocity of the CHURCH?
I will tell you stories of the people being wide open from the stomach down in public places because one would have forgotten to take down his hat in front a priest
Or should I talk about the beautiful treatments reserved to the native indians of the Americas????
What we call loving church of God today??
Chris D., to try to attack other religion based on very dark practices that happenned in very uneducated part of the muslim world, does not mean that this is ISLAM.
Look at our Christian HISTORY. it was said that CHRISTIAN, THROUGH ALL THEIR WARS AND CONVERTIONS, COST MORE LIFE THAN ANY OTHER RELIGIONS IN THE WORLD COMBINED TOGETHER
I'm here from the government and I'm here to help
July 30th, 2010
3:27 pm
ctucker, which one scares you the most?
(think Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich)
JohnY
July 30th, 2010
3:28 pm
The ADL need to know those same anti-muslims are mostly antisemites and racists. same pack
Aquagirl
July 30th, 2010
3:29 pm
My grandpa, a WWII Marine, never quite forgave the Japanese. I can understand how people who have been deeply traumatized by 9/11 could feel the same way about Muslims. If they want to build a Mosque it’s certainly their right. But it’s inflammatory.
Douglas
July 30th, 2010
3:32 pm
Per US Citizen:
One religion is not INFERIOR to another. ALL RELIGIONS ARE EQUAL. NO RELIGION HAS EVER BEEN PROVEN to BE RIGHT, IT IS JUST an IDEA…
Some live by it, some are inspired by it…. Everyone thinks his is the right one.. But please guys, lets be honest, a religion is just a spiritual guidance
It would be great if radical Islamists believed as you do and as most Americans do about religion, but they don’t, and there are many radical Islamists. And they are not passive about their religion like most Americans. They are willing to die for their beliefs. Witness the 9/11 attacks, the Fort Hood attack, the fragging in the military, the numerous suicide bombings that occur daily. Also, look at what the radical Islamists are doing to the Chritsians in Africa. In other words they are not playing the same game we are. They are serious.
US CITIZEN
July 30th, 2010
3:34 pm
I agree with Aquagirl…
I think that they have the right to build a mosque their, but, I would recommend to build it a little away from the WTC, so that people dont get upset and misunderstand the intent…
vladamir
July 30th, 2010
3:36 pm
Those hating the muslims are 90% from the far right groups who were always bigots. They hate the jews.They hate blacks. They hate hispanics. Now their new target is the muslims. but its not exclusive to muslims. They just feel safer hating this group now. its more tolerated.
Kamchek's Leg Humper
July 30th, 2010
3:37 pm
SQUIRREL
US CITIZEN
July 30th, 2010
3:38 pm
Douglas,
You are right, but WE REPRESENT ORDER-DIGNITY-JUSTICE.
We are better because we believe in our value. I do believe in fighting TERRORISM BY ANY MEANS.
I AM JUST SAYING NOT TO CONFUSE ALL MUSLIMS WITH TERRORIST.
I am very patriotic and proud of our country Douglas. I am just saying that this is a country of RULES.
AND THAT WE WILL WIN. Lets not BE LIKE OUR ENEMY. LETS SHOW THEM THAT WE WILL ALWAYS TREAT PEOPLE FAIRLY AND WE WILL ANSWER BY THE RULES.
WE ARE A MODEL TO THE WORLD- WE NEVER QUITE REALIZE THIS. BUT IF YOU TRAVELED A LOT, YOU WILL SEE THAT PEOPLE REALLY LOVE THE USA.. AND DREAM TO LIVE HERE.
Drawing Black Lines
July 30th, 2010
3:39 pm
vladamir,
Since you are smearing (or scatting, whichever you prefer) then get it right. The Left hates that Jews. Why else would they be pro-Palestine and anti-Israel?
Alizabeth-
July 30th, 2010
3:46 pm
Cynthia Tucker, Could you answer me this question?
Since Arabs and Jews have land disputes and are not at peace over Palestine/Israel, the ADL has no interest in defending muslim rights despite ADL’s claim ““to secure justice and fair treatment for ALL.”????????????????????????
detrlitusUSA
July 30th, 2010
3:54 pm
Look at the cover of this weeks Time magazine, and then tell me you have any sympathy for the religion called islam!
Michelle Mal's Kin
July 30th, 2010
3:55 pm
US Citizen…So Stoning was practised in the Old Testament..You DO realize that Christianity did not exist then right?
Didn’t Jesus stopped the mob from stoning the woman who committed adultery? Wasn’t that in the New Testament? Just asking……….
Why else would they be pro-Palestine and anti-Israel?
Naturally you’re speaking for ALL lefties — mainly because you know and have talked to each and every leftie all over the world and know their world views. Wow!! It must be exhausting being you. (And sad too).
Douglas
July 30th, 2010
3:55 pm
US Citizen
I admire your faith in our rules. I am commenting on what I have seen happening in Europe and Africa where the radical Islamists plans of domination and takeover are ahead of where they are in the US now.
I know there are many Muslims who are not radical, but many are, and they want to multiply and grow in the US. I have not seen much evidence of the non radicals standing up to the radicals, and it seems that the passion is behind the radicals. What I am trying to emphasize is that we need to be very aware of the radical Islamist’s plans for the US and to not take them lightly.
Ramzad
July 30th, 2010
3:56 pm
America has become a patsy country for the state of Israel, the ADL, and the Jewish pressure lobbies.
We have become the perfect chumps for Israel and those who would undermine America to advance
Israeli propaganda.
The most powerful statement we could make to Muslims is that we are not afraid, and you can build
your mosque on any strip of land you have a free and clear title. But no. We are very afraid, and Israel
and its American satellites know this, so they pump us up to hate all Muslims, and to find and kill them
and their children anywhere they exist- just like Israel enjoys doing.
It is not like these Cordoba people just picked up this piece of land to build there and rub it in our faces.
They have had the land for years, but we are now a nation of reactionaries- just clattering like trains on
an unstable track- about everything. Let the people them build their mosque at the 9/11 site or wherever
else they have a constitutional right to do so! They did not do anything to us. They are us.
neo-Carlinist
July 30th, 2010
3:58 pm
polly, I’ll ask you the same question I posed to another blogger earlier this week; what exactly is “America’s face” and how does one “slap it”? kimmer, are you NY resident or native? I can assure you, Islam enjoys no “supremacy over NYC”. and, for all you flag-waving Americans, if this mosque or community center or whatever it is, is in fact a hotbed for radical Islam and terrorists, do you know think the DHS, FBI, NYPD Counter-Terrorism, and CIA will not have it under surveilance, if not “bugged/wiretapped”? if we really are fighting a “war on terrorism” you folks need to starting thinking like terrorists and not easily-offended Americans.
polly
July 30th, 2010
4:03 pm
“polly, I’ll ask you the same question I posed to another blogger earlier this week; what exactly is “America’s face” and how does one “slap it?”
When you say “face”, I assume you’re talking about what America values. Essentially, what is at the core of being an American? I would say that a core belief or value that Americans share is valuing life itself and liberty. Muslims oppose those values. Muslims don’t value life….just look at the blood they shed and the lives they waste in the pursuit of advancing thier terror-based “religion.” In that sense, Islamic values are clearly not aligned with American values.
US CITIZEN
July 30th, 2010
4:04 pm
Douglas,,
The radicals needs to be stopped. this is clear. I am just saying , TO RESPECT the muslim that poses no threats to us and cultivate what we value most in this country: FREEDOM.
Lets destroy the one that wants us to hate each other, and divide each other. Many blacks, asian, arabs are muslim US CITIZEN. and most, I know have sworn to be true to our country.
Let the ones who betray us PAY for it. But lets justice decides, not our fears
polly
July 30th, 2010
4:07 pm
I don’t agree with everything that Ronald said, but I do agree with the point he made about Muslims serving in the US military. Given the Akbhar case with the grenades in the tents and the events that transpired at Ft. Hood, you can’t really say that Muslims living in the US support the goals of the US military. Until you find a case where Jewish or Christian soldiers have purposefully killed other US soldiers in a time of war, I will stand by my opinion.
neo-Carlinist
July 30th, 2010
4:10 pm
ronald, is your last name mcdonald? you are a clown. what makes you an expert on Tim McVeigh/Oklahoma City? what information do you have, which affords you the authority to speak to McVeigh’s motive? ditto your authority to opine or predict how Muslims in the U.S. military will fight, based on the actions of one Muslim enlisted man? let me clue you in on something; there are some who believe NFL star and “war hero” (according to the Bush camp) Pat Tilman was murdered (fragging). the truth is, you know nothing about Islam.
ronald
July 30th, 2010
4:13 pm
you said “based on the actions of one Muslim enlisted man?”
Its occured on several occasions. Fort Hood has been mentioned numerous times already. The Akbar case has been mentioned already. etc. etc. ec.
you said “ditto your authority to opine or predict how Muslims in the U.S. military will fight”
My predictions are based upon reality. The facts speak for themselves. Muslims have killed us before and they will kill us again. Ignore the facts and ignore history at your own peril.
Dick Hertz
July 30th, 2010
4:14 pm
By the wingnut moran standards employed here the United States then started the Anti-Muslim Christian White Jihad when our Marines first set foot on the “Shores of Tripoli” after leaving the halls of Montezuma. How badly do the ignorant reactionaries and bigots want that to be true as an unavoidable corollary-that we represent an extremist religion from the Middle East no less than Muslims do?
No Mas
July 30th, 2010
4:15 pm
I haven’t read all(or even many) of these comments, and someone has undoubtedly already made this point. But just in case…
Cynthia, you would agree, of course, that there are plenty of people here in the South who love to go around waving the conferderate flag, but are actually quite harmless and harbor nary a racist bone in their bodies. They are into what they call their “Southern Heritage”.
Now if I were one of those people, even though I had no ill will against anyone, I would be aware of the fact that the Stars & Bars has, rightly or wrongly, become a symbol of racial bigotry and is very offensive to African-Americans. Therefore, as a person of good will, were I inclined to erect a Southern Heritage museum, sensitivity to others would prevent me, no matter my legal right, from constructing it right next door to the MLK center (a point I believe was made by someone yesterday), or in the middle of Harlem.
Furthermore, were I to do this, I think people would have every right to question my non-racist tendencies, no matter the extent of my protestations to the contrary. I think a large part of the African-American community would see this as a big “up yours”, don’t you?
Have a Cup!
July 30th, 2010
4:16 pm
Hey Dick!
Drawing Black Lines
July 30th, 2010
4:19 pm
No Mas
I think you mean “Confederate Heritage Memorial” instead of “Southern Heritage Memorial.” Being “Southern” is not racist – yet. But apparently “Confederate” is – by revisionist historians.
ronald
July 30th, 2010
4:22 pm
I guess as we speak, Neo-Carlinist is educating himself on the Ft. Hood case, a situation that the liberals in the US like to pretend never happened.
I'm here from the government and I'm here to help
July 30th, 2010
4:22 pm
Who call blacks MONGRELS?
Ramzad
July 30th, 2010
4:22 pm
Those who want to talk about the beauty of Christianity ought to stop a minute and look at the Catholic church being right next door to every major atrocity that we have in recorded history. They were right there next to the African slave trade. They were right there next to the Holocoust. They were right there next to the purges of Latin America, They were right there next to Jim Crow. They were right there during South African and Rodesian Apartheid. They were right there next to all the communist dictatorships we can think about. They were right there next to all kinds of persecution of ordinary people. Remember Martin Luther?
Should I talk about the Moral Majority and the so called Christian Right? I am Christian, and I have sense enough that what radical Islam does to the body is what right wing Christian does to the mind. All this my Christianity will kick your Muslim butts, is all bluster- a fallacy. Christians obliterated the Indians in America and the Caribbean and South America, in less than five hundred years. So Christians ought to keep their mouths shut about who is more blood thirsty.
Fang1944
July 30th, 2010
4:23 pm
And, except for Granny and A United States Marine, I see nothing but religious bigotry here.
“It’s been awhile since I saw the average Christian with a bomb trying to destroy those who didn’t agree with him. And I haven’t seen much in the Bible about stoning women to death or murdering them for not obeying their husband master.”
How about Eric Rudolph? Average Christian or above average?
Somebody hasn’t been reading his Bible.
Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Drawing Black Lines
July 30th, 2010
4:25 pm
Ramzad
African Slave trade? Hmmm, no hostility toward the African nations/tribes/rulers who sold their slaves huh? Interesting slant on reality. I’m going to stretch and warm up before I attempt to understand your logic.
ronald
July 30th, 2010
4:25 pm
For Ramzad- Several of your liberal pals have tried this tactic alread. When your logic fails you, you feel backed into a corner, and so you start talking about things that happened several hundred years ago. HA!
I am focused on whats happening TODAY in 2010. Shariah laws calls for the stoning of women who commit adultery. They do this TODAY in 2010. We’re not talking about the 17th century. They do it NOW. Today in 2010, muslim extremists blow up Jewish women and children on buses in Israel. Lets work together to solve the problems of today, not debate what happened hundreds of years ago.
neo-Carlinist
July 30th, 2010
4:27 pm
polly, I am probably going to regret this, but it’s friday afternoon….
“When you say “face”, I assume you’re talking about what America values.” I did not say “face” – you did. you said the mosque was a “slap in the face to America”.
“Essentially, what is at the core of being an American? I would say that a core belief or value that Americans share is valuing life itself and liberty.” And you would be foolish to look for the “core of being an American.” we’re a nation of immigrants, Polly; “the melting pot” remember? the “huddled masses and wretched refuse…” of other nations. there is no typical American, and no universally accepted “core belief” – the least of which would be “valuing life” (we killed 200,000 Japanese with two bombs in 1945. We have killed thousands of innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq; and dozens, if not hundreds of Americans do to “friendly fire”. no, polly, we don’t “vaue life” in this country. we value arrogance.
“Muslims oppose those values. Muslims don’t value life….just look at the blood they shed and the lives they waste in the pursuit of advancing thier terror-based “religion.” And you, like ronald are either a self-loathing Muslim or an expert on Islam. again, Americans have killed MILLIONS of non-Americans in pursuit of our “values” (consumerism, jingoism, etc.).
“In that sense, Islamic values are clearly not aligned with American values.” see paragraph one. it would appear (as noted by the U.S. Marine who posted); the only thing close to a “common” or “core” value
for Americans is the Constitution (the first Amendment, no less concerns religious freedom AND free speech). I have noted this before; I grew up less than 20 miles from ground zero. 9/11 hijackers bunked in my hometown the weekend before the attacks. I know people who died on 9/11 and I have family members who witnessed the attacks firsthand (including the “jumpers”). every Muslim and every American is different, and it seems to me that the way these things (terrorist attacks and wars) get started is when mindless fools place their “values” in the hands of zealots.
ronald
July 30th, 2010
4:28 pm
FANG- Let us know about any Christian churches who tell thier members to kill people who commit adultery. I’m anxious to hear about them.
Meanwhile, Muslim mosques in IRAN publically call for the stoning of women who commit adultery.
Muslims don’t value life and don’t value gender equality the way that Jewish and Christian cultures do. Thats a fact.
I'm here from the government and I'm here to help
July 30th, 2010
4:29 pm
Let’s change history. College props do it everyday.
Michelle Mal's Kin
July 30th, 2010
4:29 pm
So Christians ought to keep their mouths shut about who is more blood thirsty
Christians aren’t blood thirsty — they’re money (and power) hungry. Ask those heretics the Aztecs……
polly
July 30th, 2010
4:32 pm
For Neo-
“there is no universally accepted “core belief”
Yes there is. If you don’t understand American values, then thats your problem. Very sad to hear that you don’t think Americans share the values of life and liberty. Elementary schools teach this.
“we killed 200,000 Japanese with two bombs in 1945″
That was during a war, which the US didn’t start. We have the right to defend ourselves and thats what we did. It was the right thing to do.
Ramzad
July 30th, 2010
4:34 pm
Ronald:
Open your mind! It is what happened hundred of years ago that brought us to where we are now.
It is convenient to want to lock it out, but that is your bias against the facts. It does not make them
less real. Because it happened a long time ago it does not matter is the logic of a fool. We did not
all just drop from Mars yesterday.
Drawing Black Lines
I have no doubt that some the Africans were the “catcher me” for the slave ship. But what is the
connection to seperate bathrooms round back? You sounds like one who harken for the good
old days.
neo-Carlinist
July 30th, 2010
4:34 pm
ronald, OK, Ft. Hood (Hasan was not an enlisted man in combat zone, but that’s not my point). so now we have Akbhar and Ft. Hood (that’s 2 incidents of Muslim service men attacking non-Muslims – hardly “several occassions”). surely you know the difference between “several occassions” and referring to the same two incidents “several times”.
neo-Carlinist
July 30th, 2010
4:37 pm
ronald, see, that’s your problem, you “guess” and present it as some sort of “authority”. please document the “several occassions” in which Muslim soldiers have attacked/murdered other American servicemen.
saywhat?
July 30th, 2010
4:37 pm
Since christians are well known terrorists who murder doctors and blow up family planning clinics in the name of their god, lets ban the presence of all churches within a 1 mile radius of all doctors’ offices, hospitals and family planning clinics. They can still have their churches, they just have to be a respectful distance away from their victims. Any closer would be an insult to women and medical professionals.
If the Vatican decides to house its own abortion clinic, or if the Baptists or the Methodists build abortion clinics in their national headquarters, then maybe we can ease these restrictions.
I'm here from the government and I'm here to help
July 30th, 2010
4:41 pm
Geez, you people are strange.
People have been killing people ever since people inhabited the earth. Will it ever change? Only when there are no more people to kill.
ronald
July 30th, 2010
4:42 pm
Neocarlin, i’m glad that you are researching Fort Hood. Good start. It would be foolish to say that every Muslim serving in the US military is a terrorist. The facts don’t support that. However, the limited cases that we have seen tell us something important. You and I have no idea which US Muslims are terrorists and which aren’t. Akbhar seemed normal to everyone, right? Deep down, he was plotting to kill US soldiers because his militant Islam was more important to him than serving the US. Ditto for Fort Hood. The point is that Islamic radicalism is deep-seeded and is it affects more Muslims that you’d like to admit. The terrorists I just described were probably described as “moderate” Muslims right before they went nuts. The ties between radical Islam and ALL muslims are deeper and more ingrained than you’d like to admit and there is no way you can guarantee that one doesn’t turn into the other at any point in the future.
neo-Carlinist
July 30th, 2010
4:43 pm
polly, excuse me; we killed 200,000 Japanese CIVILIANS with two bombs. the Emporer and Japanese military “started” the war with the United States – certainly not the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I cannot even speak to your comment about America’s “core values” and “elementary education”. I though you Muslim haters refer to that type of environment as a “madrasa” (indoctrination centers for young Muslims). at the very least, it is obvious (and I would not call it ’sad’) that the 10-15 people on this blog right now do not share “common values” or a common definition of “life” or “iberty”. go get yourself some Kool-Aid and cool off.
polly
July 30th, 2010
4:47 pm
“I cannot even speak to your comment about America’s “core values”
Its no wonder that you are as lost as you are. Values is what guides people in every decision that they make. Without values, you are lost. I can’t tell you how sad it is to hear another American claim that there is no such thing as American values. This country had provided more financial resources to meet other countries needs than any other country. This country got involved in numerous World Wars to fix problems that other countries started, and you have the nerve to blame the US?
polly
July 30th, 2010
4:51 pm
I’m done for the day. NEO- I hope that you can search your soul and figure out the life and liberty is what unites this country. I criticize Islam because they stand in opposition to those values and I don’t want the US to turn into another Iran or Saudi Arabia where life isn’t valued. The facts are my side, not yours.
neo-Carlinist
July 30th, 2010
4:51 pm
ronald, you haven’t done your homework. aside from Ft. Hood and the Akbhar case, show me the “several occassions” where Muslim servicemen turned out to be “terrorists”. somebody just brought up Eric Rudolph (U.S. Army vet). we’ve already discussed Tim McVeigh (Gulf War vet). seems to me, if you do your research, you’re going to find far more non-Muslim “terrorists” who are veterans of the armed services. Lee Harvery Oswald was a Marine (if you don’t believe, as I do, that JFK was killed by non-military government agents). by my count I have 3 white, non-Muslim, American servicemen turned terrorists (4 if I want to pile on and add Terry Nichols). get back to Google or Wikipedia