I’m disappointed that the ADL has joined the demagogues

I am deeply disappointed by the Anti-Defamation League, a group which was founded to fight vicious bigotry and religious intolerance, specifically that against Jews.
The venerable organization has now made common cause with the bigots and demagogues who are fighting plans by a group of New York Muslims to build a community near (not at) Ground Zero. The ADL’s statement is careful in its wording, acknowledging that the Cordoba Initiative has the “right” to build near the site of the Twin Towers. (BTW, the Cordoba Initiative has been in the vicinity of Ground Zero for years.) Nevertheless, it provides cover to bigots and opportunists who are using the controversy for political gain (think Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich):

“Proponents of the Islamic Center may have every right to build at this site, and may even have chosen the site to send a positive message about Islam. The bigotry some have expressed in attacking them is unfair, and wrong,” the statement reads.

“But ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right. In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain unnecessarily and that is not right,” it says.

What is not right is for the ADL to join with those who smear all Muslims as somehow associated with suicidal jihadists. That’s the very definition of prejudice.
As a Christian, I want nothing to do with murders like Scott Roeder, who killed a Kansas abortion doctor and claimed he did it in God’s name. If anyone associated my Christianity with his, I’d be quite offended. But the ADL has joined with those who associate all Muslims with the 9/11 wackos.

As Trevor Swoverland wrote in the Duluth Tribune:

The Cordoba Initiative is dedicated to the promotion of human rights and democracy in the Muslim world, as well fostering understanding between mainstream Muslims and broader American society. The founder, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, has been an outspoken critic of terrorism and violence and a vocal advocate for the integration of Muslims into American society. The center would be a powerful statement to would-be terrorists and their companions that Muslims in America are fully American, and that terrorists will not define Islam here. What a powerful repudiation of terrorist ideology; it seems patently absurd to demand such a stand from American Muslims and then shout them down when they take it.

The ADL’s motto reads, in part, “to secure justice and fair treatment for all.” There is nothing in its position on the Cordoba mosque that does service to justice or fair treatment.

472 comments Add your comment

polly

July 30th, 2010
1:39 pm

I agree with the ADL. Putting a mosque near the WTC site would be a slap in the face to all Americans. The Muslim Cordoba group can build in other places and no one is preventing them from doing that.

stephen34

July 30th, 2010
1:43 pm

People who think its OK to allow a mosque to be built at the World Trade Center site are the same people who fail to recognize the 9/11 was, by its nature, an attack by one religion/culture on another religion/culture. 9/11 was an attack by the Muslim world on the West, which the Muslim world views as a Christian world. That is why they hate the US, because they perceive the US to be the center of the Christian world. Its a terrible idea to let them build a mosque at the trade center site.

saywhat?

July 30th, 2010
1:43 pm

To people on this blog who think building this Moslem community center anywhere near the former WTC is an affront, building a university anywhere in Georgia must seem an atrocity.

Drawing Black Lines

July 30th, 2010
1:45 pm

CT—

Have you seen the amusing clip where Eric Holder was repeatedly asked if “radical Islam” existed and he couldn’t answer? Even if those who want to build the Islamic Center are not terrorists, do you believe that there is such a thing as “radical Islam”?

ronald

July 30th, 2010
1:46 pm

Let the Muslim world figure out how to treat women properly, learn how to live peacefully with Jews, and learn how to educate their children. After they’ve accomplished these things (which they never will), then let them build their mosques wherever they want to. In my opinion, no mosque should stand anywhere in the US until Muslim’s stop persecuting women worldwide. In the past month, Shariah law in Iran condemned a women (mother) to death by stoning. Muslims worldwide live by a culture that doesn’t value life. I don’t want their inferior culture infecting the US and our lifestyle.

Jimmy62

July 30th, 2010
1:50 pm

There are plenty of places they can put this building. It’s just stupid and insulting to put it by ground zero. And ironic, considering how every time there’s a terrorist attack somewhere in the world, the media jumps through hoops trying not to mention that the attackers were Muslim, yet here they want to push the whole Muslim thing on us as much as possible.

saywhat: That’s a good argument. Just call everyone who disagrees stupid, and also insult everyone who lives in Georgia.

Scout

July 30th, 2010
1:50 pm

Cynthia :

This is the bottom line ……… we ignore it at our peril :

“There are moderate Muslims but Islam itself is not moderate.” Robert Spencer

kimmer

July 30th, 2010
1:53 pm

Think I’ll do some cutting and pasting myself. From Neal Boortz on nealboortz.com.

Have you been paying attention to the controversy in New York over the building of a 13 story Mosque near Ground Zero? You heard right … an Islamic Mosque near the site of the murder of 3000 people by adherents of the wonderful, peaceful, serene religion of Islam. No word yet on whether or not the Mosque will have a special stoning compound for wayward Muslim women.

If you haven’t been paying attention to this situation, perhaps your interest can be heightened if I told you that Islam has a rich history of building Mosques at the sites of great Muslim conquests.

I understand the organization behind this $100 million dollar Mosque is called the Cordoba Initiative. The Mosque is to be called the Cordoba House. Where did the name come from? The Cordoba region of Spain, that’s where. When the Muslims conquered Spain they took a huge Christian cathedral and turned it into the Cordoba Mosque. So the very group planning this Mosque at Ground Zero is named after a Mosque built at the scene of a previous Muslim conquest.

There are other such mosques:

* When Muslims conquered they built the Al-Aqsa Mosque
* When Muslims conquered Constantinople (now Istanbul) they transformed the St. Sophia Basilica into a Mosque

There are reports that our wonderful Muslim friends plan to open this Mosque next year on September 11, 2011? The 10th anniversary of their murder of 3000 people. Now that’s some rather incredible timing, don’t you think? Wait for another 9/11 and open a Mosque.

This Mosque will be nothing less than a symbol to Muslims of their supremacy over the people of New York and America … a reminder of a great victory and a promise of more victories over the infidels to come.

Peadawg

July 30th, 2010
1:55 pm

“As a Christian”

You’re pro-abortion(pro-choice for the pc crowd) and pro-gay marriage, which are two fundamental no-no’s of Christianity. Just sayin…..

ronald

July 30th, 2010
1:56 pm

Scout- You are right and I agree with that. Muslims are an irrational group who lives by the sword. That is their religion and they don’t know how to live peacefully with other religions. Its their way or the highway. I say “Screw Em”, thats not how things work in the US. Its their responsibility to play by our rules, not the other way around.

The sick thing is how the US mainstream media (CNN especially) and the Obama administration (especially Eric Holder) likes to portray Muslims in a positive light as often as possible. If you don’t believe me, go look at the speeches Obama gave to students in the Middle East soon after he was elected. He basically went over there and said the US has made a lot of mistakes in their region and pretended like the US has somehow mistreated Muslims. He embarrased the country when he went and told those lies, saying anything he could to gain adoration from the Muslims. Obama wants everyone to love him, and will do whatever it takes to receive adoration.

Drawing Black Lines

July 30th, 2010
1:57 pm

CT—

“But the ADL has joined with those who associate all Muslims with the 9/11 wackos.”

Since you don’t like snap comments from people who only look at your headline and you prefer substantive discourse surrounding your underpinning arguements, I have a question for you:

Are you really asserting that the Anti Defamation League believes that all Muslims are radical Terrorists like those behind 9/11? Really. Please defend explicitly your view.

Peadawg

July 30th, 2010
1:57 pm

Good point polly @ 1:39.

Tommy Maddox

July 30th, 2010
1:58 pm

I still don’t understand why the Jewish community is so pro-Democrat.

kayaker 71

July 30th, 2010
2:00 pm

The original Cordoba church, a Visogoth Christian church, was located in Cordoba, Spain and taken over by the Muslims in 794. It was rebuilt into the third largest mosque outside of Islamic countries, in the world. It was done as a statement to conquered peoples of Spain that the Muslims were in charge and that they could, as conquerors, do any damn thing that they chose. There are no Christian churches in Saudi Arabia and most other Muslim countries. They are not tolerated. There are already over 100 mosques in NY city alone. There were 20 in 1970. If you think that the kind, benevolent, peace seeking Muslim brotherhood is just building another mosque, you are smoking the wrong thing. This is a statement of their increasing influence in the Western world, nothing more. It is an in your face attempt to bring home the message….. we can do most any damned thing we want and you are powerless to stop us. And with Bloomberg’s attitude in this fiasco, they just might be right.

A United States Marine

July 30th, 2010
2:01 pm

The Constitution of the United States, Bill of Rights, 1st Ammendment:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

It’s no about anyone’s feelings. It is the founding document of our country. Freedom of religion doesn’t apply when it’s convenient or when Christianity is threatened. It applies to all religions. They have a right to build anywhere they want. All other arguments, refer to the first ammendment…

I am in the military and have sworn an oath to up hold these principles with my life.

Aquagirl

July 30th, 2010
2:02 pm

I’m disappointed the Cordoba Initiative is (at the least) being astonishingly insensitive.

Peadawg

July 30th, 2010
2:03 pm

“Christianity is threatened. It applies to all religions.”

Christianity has nothing to do with this. It’s the fact that a Muslim mosque is trying to built next to ground zero…just sounds like an oxymoron. It doesn’t sound right.

Scout

July 30th, 2010
2:08 pm

A United States Marine :

Your thoughts would hold true if Islam was just a simple “religion” but it is NOT. It uses religion as a front for its goal of world dominationa and Sharia Law by FORCE. That puts it in a category all by itself !

ISLAM

“At the root of the opposition to mosques is the fear that Islam is not just another religion like Christianity or Buddhism or whatever. These fears are well-founded. In fact, Islam is NOT a religion like other religions; and Islamic scholars are the first ones to say so. For example, Yusuf Qaradawi (the most influential Muslim cleric in the world today, the spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood) said: “Islam is not a religion in the common, distorted meaning of the word, confining its scope only to the private life of man. By saying that it is a complete way of life, we mean that it caters for all the fields of human existence. In fact, Islam provides guidance for all walks of life — individual and social, material and moral, economic and political, legal and cultural, national and international.”

“This “complete way of life” is the Sharia sacred Islamic law which calls for the legal subordination of non-Moslems to Moslems and of women to men; it requires death for homosexuals, apostates and blasphemers. And, it calls for eternal war (jihad) against non-Moslems until Islamic law dominates throughout the world. These doctrines all come from the Koran and the sayings of Muhammad which are preached and taught in every mosque in the world, and will be taught in the proposed mosque at Ground Zero.Mosques are not like churches because mosques are centers for the propagation of sharia law. If Islam is not like other religions, it should not be treated like other religions. If mosques are not like churches and other houses of prayer, then mosques should not be treated like other houses of prayer.”

“Mosques are centers for the propagation of Islamic supremacist ideology, and they should be treated like other centers for the propagation of supremacist, violent and imperialist ideology, such as the Communist Party or the Nazi Party.”

Author Unknown

Scout
India Company
3rd Bn., 4th Marines
Vietnam – 1967/68

Semper Fi !

Scout

July 30th, 2010
2:09 pm

Would really like to stay with this but have to run. Back later ……… Be nice.

Mrs. W.

July 30th, 2010
2:09 pm

I don’t consider this to be a religoius issue because this is not a religion. What was a reign of terror against women (still is) is now a reign of terror against Americans and anyone else who disagree’s with their “religion”. The aim for them is not to convert but to conquer. No thanks.

ronald

July 30th, 2010
2:11 pm

To “A United States Marine”:

You are right about the 1st Amendment. Here’s the problem- All religious groups in the US operate pretty much the same. They meet once or twice a week to worship together, they perform community service, they seek to improve the lives of other members who share their beliefs.

However, Muslims don’t operate that way and thats why I don’t really view them as “just another religious group.” instead, they operate more like a miliary group and spend much of their time and money concocting plots to kill people of other beliefs and destroy other’s cultures. Cythia can call me a wacko all she wants, but she can’t deny the fact that a core belief of Islam involves using violence to convert and change non-Muslims. Muslims do not deserve the same rights as other religions.

kayaker 71

July 30th, 2010
2:13 pm

CT,

The ADL was founded in 1913 as an organization to fight anti-Jewish bigotry. It has persisted to this day as a buffer between Jews and anti-semites. I can’t see why you would object to their stand on this issue. I would be surprised if they didn’t feel this way.

The Aristocrat

July 30th, 2010
2:13 pm

It’s not necessarily correct that Muslims hate America, they oppose Christianity, Judeaism, and all other non-Muslim -isms. From their perspective, the State and the Church are the one and the same, therefore the United States must be eradicated. While I endorse their freedom to practice religion, it’s somewhat of a big middle finger to build a mosque at the epicenter of the greatest act of terrorism perpetuated against Americans by Muslims.

Chris D.

July 30th, 2010
2:13 pm

Whty does it not surprise me that Cynthia Tucker feels the ADL does not have a right to speak for the victims of 9/11 against a mosque in the shadow of ground zero? While they’re at it, sure they will include a shrine/memorial to those brave freedom fighters that gave their lives in the battle against the Evil Satan by crashing those jets into the World Trade Towers.

Jimmy62

July 30th, 2010
2:13 pm

When the aliens come and try to conquer the Earth, Cynthia will be the first to stand up and say, “I for one welcome our new alien overlords with open arms!”

A United States Marine

July 30th, 2010
2:13 pm

“It doesn’t sound right.”

Wrong, refer to the first ammendment.

Your feelings in the matter don’t have weight. This is the founding principle of our country. It is not up for interpetation because you wrongfully associate 9/11 with the greater Muslim community. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, less than a percent are terrorists. This is not an episode of 24 where all of the Muslims want to blow up the US.

ronald

July 30th, 2010
2:15 pm

Think back to when you were in elementary school. Remember how there was always 1 kid in class who would say the dumbest thing they could possibly think of, just to get everyone’s attention?

That kid has grown up to be Cynthia Tucker.

Gene

July 30th, 2010
2:16 pm

Cynthia you need to go live in in Iran for a while. your tune will change.

Granny Godzilla

July 30th, 2010
2:17 pm

Sad. Very Sad. Of all groups, now the ADL wants to make us just like Iraq.

If thats the case so be it. Goose and Gander time.

Because of the destruction of the Federal Building
in Oklahoma City, all Christian Churches must be banned there.
In Atlanta and Montgomery and Birmingham – in fact wherever
Christians in America blew some stuff up……tear down the churches!

See Christianity isn’t a simple religion, it’s bent on world domination.
Their way or the highway….

Disgusting.

Peadawg

July 30th, 2010
2:19 pm

“I for one welcome our new alien overlords with open arms!”

We saw what happened when those people go on top of the building with welcome signs in Independence Day…wait….maybe Cynthia should do it. Take Obama and Pelosi with her.

A United States Marine…who defends Muslim terrorists. Interesting…

ronald

July 30th, 2010
2:19 pm

Granny- Nowhere in the bible and nowhere in Christian doctrine will you find anything that resembles world domination. Christian churches in Atlanta just like Christian churches worldwide are able to live with their neighbors and they don’t fund/develop suicide bombers. Is it too much to ask that Muslims could do the same?

A United States Marine

July 30th, 2010
2:19 pm

“When the aliens come and try to conquer the Earth”

The Cordoba Institute is not trying to conquer anyone… They are freely spreading their religion. Are Christians trying to conquer Asia when they send missionaries? And why do you care if citizens convert to Islam? It is not your business. Live your life, let your neighbors live theirs… and support the First Ammendment which states:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

Chris D.

July 30th, 2010
2:20 pm

Your premise is faulty Granny when it comes Oklahoma City. He did not blow up the building in the name Jesus….He had a personal gripe witht he government. Nothing to do with religion. The 9/11 factions blew up the Trade Center in the name of their god Allah. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Justice786

July 30th, 2010
2:20 pm

I agree with Cynthia. This is not about the Muslim Community Center two blocks from Ground Zero. Many Muslims have a prayer room in their house, but that does not make their house a mosque. Similarly the Community Center is exactly that with a small prayer room so that employees may be able to pray during work hours, but that does not make the whole building a mosque. The uproar is about political stoking by extreme right Tea partiers and desperate Republican candidates who cannot campaign on the issues, and must therefore find something to stoke up people’s feelings with. As an American citizen, a registered Republican and someone who comes from a family with a long illustrious military career, I am very disappointed by my fellow citizens. My family have not put their life on the line again and again to see our Constitution violated.

Chris D.

July 30th, 2010
2:22 pm

US MArine…Nowhere have I heard Congress talking about making a law to ban the mosque, so your quote is completely irrelevant

A United States Marine

July 30th, 2010
2:22 pm

Yes Peadawg, I even defend your right to freely express your ignorance associating all Muslims with the Wahhabi Terrists of 9/11.

And no I am not a Muslim.

ronald

July 30th, 2010
2:23 pm

To US Marine:

You said “And why do you care if citizens convert to Islam? It is not your business. Live your life, let your neighbors live theirs”

I don’t care if they convert others to Islam, as long as they do it in a peaceful way and abide by our laws. What you fail to recognize is that a tenet of Islam is to spread the religion via the sword. They believe that its their responsibility to destroy other cultures using violence. Americans recognize that and thats we fight them. If they were a peaceful religion, we’d accept them. They are not, so we don’t.

Granny Godzilla

July 30th, 2010
2:23 pm

Oh my it’s ok for Christians to blow things up for just about any reason they think is justified.

Fake Christians make me ill.

May God have mercy on your souls.

A United States Marine

July 30th, 2010
2:23 pm

Chris D, the government acting to violate the Cordoba Institute’s First Ammendment Right to freely exercise their religion does not require a law (the legislative branch is not the only branch of government)

Peadawg

July 30th, 2010
2:24 pm

“your ignorance associating all Muslims with the Wahhabi Terrists of 9/11.”

Nice crystal ball ya got there, but I never said that. Good try though pal!

kayaker 71

July 30th, 2010
2:25 pm

Granny,

It’s been awhile since I saw the average Christian with a bomb trying to destroy those who didn’t agree with him. And I haven’t seen much in the Bible about stoning women to death or murdering them for not obeying their husband master. Do you have a stoning pit down at the First Methodist?
The ADL does not advocate not building mosques. They have only said that it is not appropriate for them to build one so close to a disaster that killed over 3K Americans, all 19 of the perpetrators of which were Muslims.
I hope you like the burka that they have in mind for you. Somehow, I just can’t envision you liking some of their rules, however. But, in the name of fairness, guess that burka won’t be so bad.

Peadawg

July 30th, 2010
2:25 pm

“Fake Christians make me ill.”

Me too. Especially the ones that support gay marriage, abortion, evolution, etc. etc. We agree one something for once Granny! Happy Friday!!!

Granny Godzilla

July 30th, 2010
2:26 pm

Sadly, most of what the self proclaimed Christians post here proves they have a knowledge of Christian text, but the amount of knowledge about how to BE Christ like leaves lots of room on the head of a pin.

You really do make me ill.

A United States Marine

July 30th, 2010
2:26 pm

“Americans recognize that and thats we fight them”

WTF? No one has ever told me we are at war with the worlds Muslims? No one has told me to go kill the Muslims…

“On order, occupy the Muslim town in order to make war on the Muslims”

WOW

A United States Marine

July 30th, 2010
2:28 pm

“It’s been awhile since I saw the average Christian with a bomb trying to destroy those who didn’t agree with him.”

And Oklahoma city was what, 1993? To long ago for you?

ronald

July 30th, 2010
2:28 pm

US Marine-
I was referring to fighting the building of the mosque at WTC.

A United States Marine

July 30th, 2010
2:28 pm

Hes about as average as the terrorists

quod erat demonstrandum

July 30th, 2010
2:29 pm

It can be built after a new Christian church is built in Mecca. A quid quo pro, a sign of good faith.

Personally, I would rather have a faithful anything, than a secularist next door. At least with a faith, you have a higher judgment, morals.

A United States Marine

July 30th, 2010
2:30 pm

ronald, oh ok, sorry about that

ronald

July 30th, 2010
2:30 pm

Oklahoma City was not done in the name of Christianity. It was performed by a Christian, but for reasons that had nothing to do with his religion.

That is in stark contrast to Muslims who become suicide bombers and blow up buses in Israel (seemingly once a month) and they do it in the name of their religion. They even make videos for their family so that everyone will know they did the bombing because they are a proud Muslim.