In Colorado, Ken Buck tells the truth about birthers
Because we’ve reached the peculiar point in our political discourse when mainstream Republicans can’t point out the lunacy of birthers, Ken Buck, Colorado candidate for the GOP Senate nomination, has committed the quintessential political gaffe: He told the truth.
Buck has rightly been criticized for a sexist remark about his female GOP opponent, saying primary voters should support him because he “doesn’t wear high heels.” His commit about birthers, however, is dead on.
Buck is the Tea Party candidate running against establishment pick Jane Norton in Colorado’s Republican Senate primary. His latest gaffe is being caught on tape by a Democratic operative saying, “Will you tell those dumbasses at the Tea Party to stop asking questions about birth certificates while I’m on the camera?” according to The Denver Post. Without walking it completely back, Buck has already told the Post the language was inappropriate.
(In Georgia, Nathan Deal, seeking the GOP nomination for governor, has run to embrace the birthers.)
You can understand why Buck is troubled that he might be identified with a group of delusional folks who insist that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States. If he is to have a shot at winning the general election in purple Colorado, he has to appear mainstream to appeal to centrists who know the birthers are nuts.
Buck committed a similar gaffe earlier when he was caught on tape criticizing Colorado’s far-right loon (and former Republican Congressman) Tom Tancreado, who says he’s going to launch an independent bid for the governor’s office:
First, he was caught saying “I can’t believe that guy opened his mouth” after former Rep. Tom Tancredo called President Obama a greater threat to the country than Al Qaeda. Norton pounced, and eventually forced Buck to say he saw some “truth” in Tancredo’s words.
Oh, my.
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StJ
July 26th, 2010
12:28 pm
Throw the birthers in jail! How dare they!?
Joel
July 26th, 2010
12:31 pm
Het CT did you tell people to stop saying GW stole the election in 2000?
HDB
July 26th, 2010
12:37 pm
The truth DOES hurt……but as long as it’s the truth, it’ll be difficult to counter……
Granny Godzilla
July 26th, 2010
12:43 pm
Birthers, Flat earthers and tenthers…..oh my!
Peadawg
July 26th, 2010
12:49 pm
I kinda like Ken Buck. Nice attitude there!
Good Grief
July 26th, 2010
12:53 pm
Why is it that CT always refers to conservatives as “far right loons” but she never has anything bad to say about Liberals? Is that a double standard?
You Asked
July 26th, 2010
12:54 pm
Sometimes there just aren’t other words to describe them.
Richard
July 26th, 2010
12:54 pm
Bill O’reilly has been speaking loudly against the birthers for months.
You Asked
July 26th, 2010
12:55 pm
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You Asked
July 26th, 2010
12:55 pm
Oops- got trigger happy there. Sorry.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
12:58 pm
HDB, I’m not sure I understand your use of the word “truth”. do you mean the “truth” about Obama’s birth certificate hurts liberals, or the “truth” about birthers (delsional, muckraking loons) hurts true conservatives? here’s the bottom line, I think “true” tea party/libertarians are foolish if they think the romatic overtures on the part of neo-cons (Palin) is anything but a “hump and dump” (after November). that said, to each his own (even those pesky homosexual who want to marry, or serve in the military, as other Americans do). at the end of the day, it really doesn’t matter if Obama was born on Mars, is a socialist, or his a “Muslim mole”. he is the President of the United States. personally, I think he’s provided enough ammo to have serious (paleo) conservatives vote him out in 2 years, but it amazes me that Sarah Palin and Newt Gingerich seem to be the best the (neo) right has to offer.
hahahahahaha!!!!
July 26th, 2010
12:58 pm
This is taken out of context, as well you know. Amazing. After CT spent a week hypocritically preaching about “context,” here she goes putting her own nasty foot in her mouth.
Good Grief
July 26th, 2010
12:59 pm
Sadly, I’m finding this to be a fact among most people I talk to. It’s very hard to have open debate anymore about political issues. Many of my left-leaning colleagues jump immediately on the “racist” bandwagon and it becomes impossible to discuss anything. Of course, I said long ago that anybody who disagrees with Obama would be labelled a racist, just as anyone who disagreed with Hillary would be called a sexist. The moment you call someone a name you effectively end the debate, regardless of winner or loser.
Jiles
July 26th, 2010
1:00 pm
Why do the kooks get crazy anytime someone ask to see Odumba’s birth certificate? Afterall, this is the same Communist that promised to be “THE MOST TRANSPARENT ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY,” yet he refuses to release his birth certificate, school transcripts or medical records. All we know about him is the little bit he’s told us. If a Republican was this secretive Cindy wouldn’t go a minute without b*tching about it.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
1:02 pm
and shame on Buck for apologizing for using the word “dumbasses”. I am pretty sure Beavis and Butthead coined the phrase (or brought it into American pop culture), and frankly, B&B demonstrated more cogent arguments (”this is cool…” “this sucks….”) arguments than the birthers. note to Buck, they are “dumbasses…” stick to your guns.
pat
July 26th, 2010
1:03 pm
hmmm, not much to talk about? Couldn’t think of a more irrelavent topic? Ho hum. I’ll never get this time back. Crap.
Mike K.
July 26th, 2010
1:04 pm
The Birthers are nuts, and a guy like Buck is right to criticize them. I wonder, however, why Cynthia didn’t criticize the New York Times when it ran two pieces questioning whether John McCain was a natural born citizen.
I also wonder why my normal IP address (I also normally post as Michael K.) has been blocked from this blog. I’m neither rude nor uncivil. Have I been blocked simply because I’m conservative?
Thomas
July 26th, 2010
1:04 pm
He is the President and that is a timing issue- I would be interested in more info and dialogue about the ga governor candidates.
Good Grief
July 26th, 2010
1:06 pm
If you were blocked because you are conservative, then I should’ve been kicked off the AJC altogether. I’ve said some radically conservative things on CT’s blog.
Scout
July 26th, 2010
1:11 pm
“And so he bowed.”
Ivan
July 26th, 2010
1:13 pm
You know liberals fear the fast approaching November, when they’re ignoring their own faulty run of government and trying to distract you by pointing to “Birthers”.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
1:19 pm
Good Grief, there are plenty of left wing loons. The problem is, they are not the ones obsessed with Obama’s birth certificate. Next question. Jiles, you need to keep your questions on message. Obama was elected President of the United States. he filled out all the forms and was “vetted” just like all candidates (for example, John McCain, who was NOT born in the United States). He received the majority of electoral votes and was sworn in as the 44th POTUS. so what is your plan? expose this great “fraud” and have Joe Biden take the reins? Or, would you like to schedule a “do over” election (but the GOP would have to reunite McCain-Plain, you know, just to be fair).
No Justice No Peace
July 26th, 2010
1:22 pm
I demand an immediate investigation into the CIA, FBI, INTERPOL, DHS,The Social Security Administration, INS, E-Verify, and all high ranking members of the Bush Administration. If the Birthers claims re true, I hold all the above mentioned parties responsible for GROSS misconduct if they weren’t able to verify Obamas credentials prior to his winning the nomination in 2009. Or, as I have always suspected, the Birthers are simply full of S*%T.
kayaker 71
July 26th, 2010
1:23 pm
Where were all the libs in the media when Dan Rather got canned? When do we drop back and examine all of the liberal rhetoric when it was supposed that John McCain was porking one of his campaign workers?
I also have had posts dropped, mainly based on what those delightful Panthers said. How about it, CT? A little too close to home?
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
1:29 pm
Mike K, check your copy, amigo. The NY Times piece concerns the legal opinion of a U of AZ law professor (Chin) who added, “…it is proposterous that a technicality like this can make a difference in an advanced democracy…, but this is the Constitutional text that we have.” you can file this under “once a lawyer, always a lawyer”. so, the NYT, as any news outlet is prone to do, simply reported the story (as I am certain it has reported on numerous “birther” stories, citing their claims, but not expressing an opinion). Now. if some freelance scribe or Editorial Page employee penned an EDITORIAL on the subject, it woul be up to the Editors at the NYT to run the screed, or not (will it sell in Peoria?).
Granny Godzilla
July 26th, 2010
1:30 pm
kayaker 71
i’m pretty sure your use of the term “porking” is a first.
hopefully the last as well.
jconservative
July 26th, 2010
1:30 pm
If one believes Obama was not born in the USA their problem should be with the United States Passport Agency that issued Obama a Passport when he was 4 years old and again when he was in his early 20’s. And keeps renewing that last one. All based on his non-existent birth certificate.
Lets see, Johnson was President when Obama got his first passport and Reagan was President when Obama got his last passport. All the proof one needs that both Johnson and Reagan were agents of the worldwide Communist conspiracy.
andygrd
July 26th, 2010
1:30 pm
Good Grief, your point is well taken. Today, it is impossible to have an honest debate on any issue. On both sides of the isle, the loons come out and spew garbage.
The lefties quote people from MSNBC and the righties quote from Fox. Both quote other sources as well, but only those sources supporting their point of view. They present facts from the right or left as being gospel… many remind me of parrots…
Most of what is on TV today is just entertainment, very little journalistic integrity anymore. For you see, and this is my opinion, neither side can really justify their positions, so they use fear and scare tactics.
What we need is a true media that presents the facts and we can draw our own conclusions. The media in this country treats the average American, who they think is lazy an uneducated , as someone they can just spoon feed opinions rather than facts and we will accept. And based upon some of the comments I have read here, in some cases, they are pretty accurate.
Two benefits from reading the posts, they can be entertaining and I thank my parents for stressing the importance of an education.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
1:31 pm
I thought “Maverick” McCain wants nothing to do with pork?
Keepin' it real
July 26th, 2010
1:34 pm
The Birthers are right-wing Christian fanatics who hate everyone who is different from them: Latinos, Blacks, Muslims, Liberals, etc.. Fly to Hawaii and inspect the document yourself you cheapskates!!!!
See how many of these fanatics quote the Bible, watch Rush/Glenn, deny the science behind Global Warming but not behind Creationism (6000 y.o.-yeah, right nutjobs). The Birthers, like Tea Partiers, the Christian Zionists/Armageddonists are pretty much the same group. Small-minded, racist and intolerant white fanatics who hate both the mainstream media because it brings new ideas to light and anyone not ‘white’ and ‘Judeo-Christian’.
I love Ron Paul, though, he hate NeoCons!!! To bad the right-wing is full of them warmongerers.
ctucker
July 26th, 2010
1:34 pm
Good Grief, Pls don’t lie on me. I certainly don’t refer to “conservatives” as “far right loons.” I know perfectly well all conservatives are not birthers.
kayaker 71
July 26th, 2010
1:35 pm
Granny,
We could call it a number of things….. how about having an illicit affair that if reported, would damage his chances for the presidency. Please comment on that instead of examining the fine points. Personally, I think “porking” is pretty descriptive.
Granny Godzilla
July 26th, 2010
1:37 pm
kayaker 71
how gracious of you to set the parameters of my comments to you!
how “angle-ish” can you get!
kayaker 71
July 26th, 2010
1:41 pm
Not being”angle-ish” at all…… and also not setting the parameters of your comments. Say what you will. You have a way of dodging the bullet when it gets a bit close to home, just like CT. Now give me another cute comment like you usually do. Can’t wait.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
1:45 pm
kayaker71, illicit adj. – not sanctioned by custom, or law. illegal. do you really want to open that can of worms? seems to me, if a candidate fears any “potential damage” or fallout from an extra-marital affair, he/she needs to not have an affair. Or, if you are of the Clinton “custom” and you really don’t care what others think about your marriage, or your “customs” when it comes to marriage, that’s OK, too.
ctucker
July 26th, 2010
1:46 pm
kayaker 71, I remember the NYT story about John McCain, and I thought it went way out on a limb about an alleged affair without supporting evidence. so I never mentioned that. And I don’t remember lots of “lib rhetoric” about it. The story was roundly criticized in journalism circles.
As for your posts being dropped, you know perfectly well you get into trouble with links.
Good Grief
July 26th, 2010
1:50 pm
Point taken, CT. (Obviously, I wouldn’t hang around if I didn’t enjoy the back-and-forth taking place here.) But let’s all be honest here and say that we’re all slightly biased to those who support our point of view, eh?
Now, Keepin’ It Real, what does a person’s religion have to do with this? No where in the article did CT call out any religious groups. But you and Granny both brought up some tenet of religion. Granted, Granny only said “flat earthers” but you launched into a scathing rant about how “The Birthers are right-wing Christian fanatics who hate everyone who is different from them” and “See how many of these fanatics quote the Bible, watch Rush/Glenn, deny the science behind Global Warming but not behind Creationism (6000 y.o.-yeah, right nutjobs). The Birthers, like Tea Partiers, the Christian Zionists/Armageddonists are pretty much the same group. Small-minded, racist and intolerant white fanatics who hate both the mainstream media because it brings new ideas to light and anyone not ‘white’ and ‘Judeo-Christian’. ”
Pardon me, but I feel a little offended that you had to stoop to such low levels to attack. Then again, that has become standard fair in politics these days. Don’t worry about an argument, just call your opposition names and then sit back in comfort. Right?
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
1:53 pm
jconservative, excellent post. seems to me the “birthers” need to start asking themselves why this “Muslim mole” as acting so much like Bush (was W part of the same conspiracy)? Oh, yeah, and didn’t the Communists kinda go belly-up? don’t tell me they also want a “do over” in terms of world domination? perhaps, despite the collapse communism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, the “communists in exile” felt they needed to see the conspiracy through, you know, on principle? what say ye, birthers?
Drawing Black Lines
July 26th, 2010
1:55 pm
CT—
I actually agree with you on this point. The “Birther Movement” stretches credulity. Besides there are more substantive reasons Obama should not be president.
Drawing Black Lines
July 26th, 2010
1:56 pm
BTW
“loon”?? If I didn’t know you better, I would think you frequently watch O’Reilly.
Granny Godzilla
July 26th, 2010
1:58 pm
kayaker 71 – YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE CUTE!
not my problem – yours.
it would not be an election year without the publication of things that
might damage chances of election. correct things, rumor things
and lie things too. that’s what “oppo” is for.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
2:01 pm
Good Grief, I don’t know, “what does a person’s religion have to do with this?” see if you can follow this. the right (especially the Beck’s, Hannity’s, Palin’s and Limbaugh’s) love to extrapolate, or what Dr. Phil and his crowd call; “assign motive to behavior”. They disagree with Obama’s policies or the left’s agenda, and they immediately “assign a motive” (socialism, Muslim mole, hates America, etc.). the right is the side that infuses religion; specially a particulary conservative, skewed; some would call it “flat earth” brand of Christianity. and they do so for the purpose of assuming moral “high ground” or to denegrated anyone who “does not look, think or act” as they do (because their thoughts, appearances and actions come from the Bible). so, if we can agree that the Bible is off the table (evolution trumps creationism, gays are people too, etc.) then maybe we can get to the bottom of this birth certificate silliness.
Mike K.
July 26th, 2010
2:06 pm
@neo-Carlinist
I think you’re being far too easy on the NYT. This argument is an example of an old, journalistic trick to appear unbiased by “reporting” someone’s opinion. Since the NYT only has so much space for print, normally, the academic musings of an obscure law professor would not make it into the paper. Moreover, the NYT ran not one, but two articles about this supposed “issue”. If that’s not liberal bias, I don’t know what is.
Recovered Demoholic
July 26th, 2010
2:10 pm
Earlier today, I was reading how the journOlist had discussed Sarah Palin, Trig, et al, and considered how to embarrass and negate her by asking for birth certificates and hospital records. Tsk-tsk.
Why are all of ObaMao’s records, transcripts, papers, etc. hidden?
Cynthia Tucker, were you a member of the journOlist?
Thomas
July 26th, 2010
2:10 pm
NC- your one sided attack of the right is laughable at best- as a centrist the world is indeed round and the far right and the far left have so much in common. Don’t like Bush’s war policy- you are not a patriot. Don’t like Obama’s policy- you are against the poor and needy somehow.
Good Grief
July 26th, 2010
2:17 pm
@neo-Carlinist
“…so, if we can agree that the Bible is off the table…”
I’m not trying to insult your intelligence, nor to assume a superior position, but I think it’s a naive argument to say we should take the Bible off the table. I wouldn’t expect a Bible-believer to remove the Bible from their outlook, just as I would not expect a Muslim to remove the Quran, or a Jew to disregard the Torah.
From my point of view (centrist-Libertarian), I see the far right infusing their argument with religion and forced morality, and I see the far left infusing their argument with “social justice,” “gender equality”, and political correctness. Unfortunately, neither version offers a path to true political discussion and debate.
The right cites the Bible as a source for their argument. The left mocks the right for having to seek a god. The left then cites political correctness as a source for their action. The right mocks the left for seeking not to offend anyone.
I’ve always said, wth certain liberals “Thou shalt not kill” is wrong and shouldn’t be allowed, but “Don’t kill anyone” is okay. it’s all a matter of semantics.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
2:18 pm
Mike K., if you want “unbiased reporting” you need to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran or North Korea. The article itself was not “the academic musings of an obscure law professor” – and, he Chen’s was not the only legal opinion cited (other “law professors” were queried). I am not responsible (nor is the New York Times) for what you “know” or do not know about “liberal bias”. So let me get this straight – at the time (February 2008), McCain was not even the GOP nominee. The Times ran two “biased” articles, which had absolutely NO impact on McCain’s candidacy, as he obviously survived these aggregious, malicious attacks and emerged victorious. Methinks you care giving too much power to MSM (or the liberal media hacks at the NY Times).
Thomas
July 26th, 2010
2:25 pm
I am a fan of good grief charlie brown- wouldn’t it be nice for everyone to take a deep breath and walk through the issues pragmatically leaving as much of the insults and emotion at home as possible? Shouldn’t everyone think that if at least half the folks in the world disagree with me they may just have a point. anyways-
left wing
July 26th, 2010
2:26 pm
Good Grief @ 12:53 – the correct term should be ‘far right whackos’. Sorry about any misunderstanding.
In fact, Hawaii’s Republican govenor has said that President Obama’s birth certificate is real, something that the (and I want to use the term correctly) right wing whackos refuse to believe:
usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Good Grief I don’t consider all conservatives whackos. I have friends who are conservative (my brother’s one, but we don’t talk about him much) that have different ideas about economic growth, etc. There are extremists on both ends of the spectrum. It’s just that my end hugs trees and your end is sitting in the woods with guns waiting for the chance when civilization falters. Which one is worse?
Every side has family members they’re not particularly proud of. Jimmy Carter has Billy. Jeb Bush has George W. And I’ve got my brother. We all learn to deal with it.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
2:28 pm
Good Grief, very simple; do you celebrate Christmas? Is Santa Claus a part of your Christmas narrative? If so, great. Your first paragraph calls into question you claim to be a libertarian/centrist. You do realize that the Q’ran is very much “on the table” in Pakistan, Iran, and Saudi Arabia, and it was something of a thorn in America’s side when it was “on the table” in Afgahnistan (see: Taliban). Please don’t worry about insulting my intelligence. I am more concerned about the snake jugglers and theocrats who embrace “faith” at the expense of “intelligence” or critical thinking. in fact, what is one of the most common epithets hurled from the right (especially the religious right)? “you’re a pointed headed intellectual”. And I would argue that the “kooks” on the left who seek “social justice” are just as delusional as those who believe the earth is 10,000 years old and Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
PearlJam
July 26th, 2010
2:35 pm
How dare they ask if our President Obama meets the Constitutional requirements to be President.
People are just Dub….’s if they question Obama on anything.
We really should make laws that if anyone questions Obama or even disagrees with him, they should loss their voting rights, 2nd offense should be jail time.
left wing
July 26th, 2010
2:37 pm
neo-Carlinist @ 2:28 You’re dead wrong. They believe the earth is 6,000 years old. It’s the older cultures like the Chinese and Hindu’s who have written documents going back 10,000 years.
It’s an easy mistake to make.
JohnnyReb
July 26th, 2010
2:37 pm
Here’s a WSJ article that gives some credibility to the birthers and possibly points to why former Rep. Tom Tancredo called Obama a greater threat to the country than Al Qaeda.
From the Wall Street Journal – by Eddie Sessions:
I have this theory about Barack Obama. I think he’s led a kind of
make-believe life in which money was provided and doors were opened
because at some point early on somebody or some group took a look at this tall, good looking, half-white, half-black, young man with an exotic African/Muslim name and concluded he could be guided toward a life in politics where his facile speaking skills could even put him in the White House.
In a very real way, he has been a young man in a very big hurry. Who
else do you know has written two memoirs before the age of 45? “Dreams of My Father” was published in 1995 when he was only 34 years old. The
“Audacity of Hope” followed in 2006. If, indeed, he did write them
himself. There are some who think that his mentor and friend, Bill
Ayers, a man who calls himself a “communist with a small ‘c’” was the
real author.
His political skills consisted of rarely voting on anything that
might be deemed controversial. He went from a legislator in the Illinois
legislature to the Senator from that state because he had the good
fortune of having Mayor Daley’s formidable political machine at his
disposal. He was in the U.S. Senate so briefly that his bid for the presidency was either an act of astonishing self-confidence or part of some greater game plan that had been determined before he first stepped foot in the Capital. How, many must wonder, was he selected to be a 2004 keynote speaker at the Democrat convention that nominated John Kerry when virtually no one had ever even heard of him before?
He outmaneuvered Hillary Clinton in primaries. He took Iowa by storm.
A charming young man, an anomaly in the state with a very small black
population, he oozed “cool” in a place where agriculture was the
antithesis of cool. He dazzled the locals. And he had an army of
volunteers drawn to a charisma that hid any real substance.
And then he had the great good fortune of having the Republicans
select one of the most inept candidates for the presidency since Bob
Dole. And then John McCain did something crazy. He picked Sarah Palin, an unknown female governor from the very distant state of Alaska . It was a ticket that was reminiscent of 1984’s Walter Mondale and Geraldine
Ferraro and they went down to defeat.
The mainstream political media fell in love with him. It was a
schoolgirl crush with febrile commentators like Chris Mathews swooning
then and now over the man. The venom directed against McCain and, in
particular, Palin, was extraordinary.
Now, nearly a full year into his first term, all of those gilded
years leading up to the White House have left him unprepared to be
President. Left to his own instincts, he has a talent for saying the
wrong thing at the wrong time. It swiftly became a joke that he could not deliver even the briefest of statements without the ever-present Tele-Prompters.
Far worse, however, is his capacity to want to “wish away” some
terrible realities, not the least of which is the Islamist intention to
destroy America and enslave the West. Any student of history knows how
swiftly Islam initially spread. It knocked on the doors of Europe, having gained a foothold in Spain.
The great crowds that greeted him at home or on his campaign “world
tour” were no substitute for having even the slightest grasp of history
and the reality of a world filled with really bad people with really bad
intentions.
Oddly and perhaps even inevitably, his political experience, a
cakewalk, has positioned him to destroy the Democrat Party’s hold on
power in Congress because in the end it was never about the Party. It was always about his communist ideology, learned at an early age from family, mentors, college professors, and extreme leftist friends and colleagues.
Obama is a man who could deliver a snap judgment about a Boston
police officer who arrested an “obstreperous” Harvard professor-friend,
but would warn Americans against “jumping to conclusions” about a mass
murderer at Fort Hood who shouted “Allahu Akbar.” The absurdity of that
was lost on no one. He has since compounded this by calling the Christmas bomber “an isolated extremist” only to have to admit a day or two later that he was part of an al Qaeda plot.
He is a man who could strive to close down our detention facility at
Guantanamo even though those released were known to have returned to the
battlefield against America. He could even instruct his Attorney General
to afford the perpetrator of 9/11 a civil trial when no one else would
ever even consider such an obscenity. And he is a man who could wait
three days before having anything to say about the perpetrator of yet
another terrorist attack on Americans and then have to elaborate on his
remarks the following day because his first statement was so lame.
The pattern repeats itself. He either blames any problem on the Bush
administration or he naively seeks to wish away the truth.
Knock, knock. Anyone home? Anyone there? Barack Obama exists only as
the sock puppet of his handlers, of the people who have maneuvered and
manufactured this pathetic individual’s life.
When anyone else would quickly and easily produce a birth
certificate, this man has spent over a million dollars to deny access to
his. Most other documents, the paper trail we all leave in our wake, have been sequestered from review. He has lived a make-believe life whose true facts remain hidden.
We laugh at the ventriloquist’s dummy, but what do you do when the
dummy is President of the United States of America?”
Granny Godzilla
July 26th, 2010
2:44 pm
Johnny Reb
Clean up at 2:37
Boy have you been duped…..
That old chestnut never appeared in the WSJ and was not written by Eddie Sessions…..
Check it out…
Good Grief
July 26th, 2010
2:49 pm
Yes, I celebrate Christmas. No, Santa is not part of my narrative. In fact, I actually don’t believe that Christ was born in December. It was more likely in the spring months, probably around April.
From what I can figure about many non-religious types, is that they assume if your are religious that you have shunned education. I have not. I have a college degree (worked hard for that sucker, too). I believe that the Earth is billions of years old. I believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth millions of years ago. I wouldn’t be surprised to see life on another planet (advanced or not). None of this shakes my faith in God, nor does my faith in God force me to shun education. In fact, the Bible rather clearly states to “study to show thyself approved.”
And just how does my first paragraph call into question my political views? I don’t think that any person should have to take their religious views out of their political discourse. That said, you should not force your views on others.
left wing
July 26th, 2010
2:50 pm
JohnnyReb @ 2:37 – I know a second rate hatchet job when I see one. In one paragraph he says “His political skills consisted of rarely voting on anything that
might be deemed controversial.”. And yet in the very next paragraph he says “He outmaneuvered Hillary Clinton in primaries.”. Now, I don’t know about you, but it seems to me that President Obama demonstrated considerable political skills by outmaneuvering both Hillary and Bill.
This guy is a second rate hack.
BTW, in this article, the govenor says which hospital the President was born in.
wnd.com/?pageId=150125
Go ahead. Stick your fingers in your ear and go la-la-la-la. This is the Republican govenor of the state who has physically seen the document. And this is why we call you ‘right wing whackos’ (please see my post @ 2:26 for the reference).
Mike K.
July 26th, 2010
2:54 pm
@neo-Carlinist
Well, by that logic, why are we talking about the birthers? They certainly had no effect on Barack Obama’s ability to get elected? You’ve got to be kidding me – some liberals just refuse to admit to bias or irrationality. I have no problem saying that the birthers are off-the-wall, but you can’t admit that the NYT running an article questioning John McCain’s legal right to run for President is equally crazy.
jconservative
July 26th, 2010
2:58 pm
Actually cases were filed in Sept 2008 with the Supreme Court claiming that both McCain and Obama, the nominees of their respective parties, were not “natural born” citizens. The Court declined both cases.
After the election a single case was filed re Obama. Again the Court declined to hear the case.
So you “birthers” types can add all nine members of the Supreme Court to your list of villians in this affair.
JohnnyReb
July 26th, 2010
3:02 pm
Granny, I’ll check it out, but won’t have a reply today. I received from a trusted friend with no doubt to question. Even if it is illegimate, it makes some verrrry good points.
Left Wing, I’m not a birther, but I am reminded of the old saying “where there’s smoke, there is fire.” There is too much smoke over Obama’s birth certificate for there not to be some fire. Something is not correct. And, you have to wonder why when any other American would just produce the papers Obama choses to keep them confidential.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
3:10 pm
Mike K., are you telling me that 2 benign articles, before McCain was even nominated, are the equivilent of the birther circus? c’mon son, you’re better than that. I just Googled “NY Times, Obama, birth certificate and found dozens of NY Times articles from 2007 – 2010 – as recently as May). ergo, the Times is reporting the “story” even as the “conspiracy” has ben disproved. And for the last time, the February 2008 article did not “call into question McCain’s legal right to run”. it simply noted there were some who raised the question, and the Times’ staff sought the legal opinions of others. again, we’re talking about two articles vs. a de facto cottage industry.
Granny Godzilla
July 26th, 2010
3:15 pm
Johnny Reb
“And, you have to wonder why when any other American would just produce the papers Obama choses to keep them confidential.”
No need to wonder why at all…if an opponent is doing something that
makes them appear to be “dim”….let ‘em.
Simple, effective.
Don't forget
July 26th, 2010
3:17 pm
Mike, are you actually equating one article in the NY times to the birther movement endorsed by several republican politicians and multiple lawsuits, all thrown out due to lack of merit?
JohnnyReb
July 26th, 2010
3:22 pm
CORRECTION – my post on July 26th, 2010 at 2:37 pm attributing a WSJ article to Eddie Sessions is incorrect. The article starts – I have this theory about Barack Obama.
To the best I can determine, the article is penned by Alan Caruba who posted it to his Warnings Signs blog in January 2010. Speculation is it was rumored to the WSJ due to having been posted to a WSJ blog.
I apologize for any confusion. However, in my opinion who ever the author was, he makes some very good points that are difficult for the Left to defend with any credibility.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
3:25 pm
Good Grief, why don’t you include Santa Claus in your narrative? there is far more evidence (books, photographs, the film “A Miracle on 34th Street) to support HIS existence. where was this unyielding thirst for “evidence” in the Warren Commission, Iran-Contra hearings, or the search for WMDs in Iraq? but back to Santa. would you be inclined to include him if you see his birth certificate? where is your faith, lad? Which brings me to your “faith in god”. Where’s Jesus’s birth certificate (you know, the one that lists Almighty God as his father)? Or, are you relying on a orally transferred narrative, which was not even documented until 200 years after his death, which you openly admit is innacurate (hs birth day – Oh, and the Christian calender, especially Christmas was taken from the pagan calendar – explain that one). You also concur there is ample evidence (scientific data) to confirm the age of the earth, the existence of dinosaurs, and the process of evolution. There is NO data to support the existence of any god or intelligent design. it has nothing to do with a person’s IQ. it has to to with EVIDENCE. so every other aspect of life needs proof and evidence (Obama’s birth certificate), but we’re all supposed to accept a 2000 year-old story because a handful of snake jugglers told us it’s “the Gospel truth”?
JohnnyReb
July 26th, 2010
3:27 pm
Granny, the Bamster has too much going against him to be playing games. His credibility with a large portion of the citizens is less than zero. His most recent mistake is claiming the US was against the Lockerbie bomber being let out of jail, yet a memo has surfaced where the US knew he was being released and the objection was not about letting him out, but where he would go. Rumor is Britian has the memo, Obama does not want it released. Watch what he does, not what he says.
Scout
July 26th, 2010
3:32 pm
“And so he bowed ………….. “
Tommy Maddox
July 26th, 2010
3:38 pm
Let’s all face it: Obama was born somewhere.
The bad of all this is that Obama was born anywhere.
Good Grief
July 26th, 2010
3:39 pm
Actually, nothing in the Bible lists December 25th as the birth of Christ. That wasn’t established by the church until some time later. Many pagan holidays were incorporated by the church to spread Christianity to other cultures. I don’t necessarily condone the method, but there isn’t anything I can do to stop it, is there?
I’m not asking you to blindly accept things, NC. I would argue that you should question boldly.
PS: I also celebrate Easter, and the Easter Bunny has nothing to do with it.
JohnnyReb
July 26th, 2010
3:39 pm
One last word on the birthers before signing off. Yes, it seems far-fetched that Obama would not be a US Citizen. I for one am unsure. Considering past and current political hijinks, it is not completely out of the world of possibility that Obama and his supporters, least of which is George Soros who I absolutely despise, have pulled off the biggest con in history.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
3:43 pm
I see Scout (a/k/a RainMan) has rejoined us. Johnny Reb, so let’s see if I follow you, you are citing a partisan screed posted on a partisan website, which was then mentioned or quoted on a WSJ blog as “credible” and now alluding to rumors about a memo, which may or may not exists (Lockerbie)? here’s an idea. as with Obama’s birth certificate (which has been produced, and verified by the State of HI), investigate these rumors, produce your evidence, and call Obama on it. of course, as I noted to Good Grief, we’ll need hard evidence, not “rumors” of hard evidence (very importants difference). the truth is, you would be hard-pressed to find ANY politician with “credibility” these days. which brings us back to the very important difference between faith and credibility. for example, I believe Obama is a credible POTUS, I just don’t have any faith in him.
kayaker 71
July 26th, 2010
3:47 pm
Carlin,
How in the world can Bozo be credible in your mind without you having any faith in him? I must be missing something here.
Fang1944
July 26th, 2010
3:58 pm
Jiles
July 26th, 2010
1:00 pm
Why do the kooks get crazy anytime someone ask to see Odumba’s birth certificate? Afterall, this is the same Communist that promised to be “THE MOST TRANSPARENT ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY,” yet he refuses to release his birth certificate, school transcripts or medical records. All we know about him is the little bit he’s told us. If a Republican was this secretive Cindy wouldn’t go a minute without b*tching about it.
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And this post handily proves CT’s point.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
3:59 pm
Good Grief, “the Church” was spreading Christianity to other cultures.” like what the evil empire (Soviet Union) tried to do with Communism from the 1950’s thru 1980’s? When did a nation or culture’s projection of dogma to “other cultures” become a no-no. In other words, how is what al Qeda is trying to do with Islam in 2010 different than what Constantine did with Christianity in 325? nope, “the Church” wasn’t spreading Christianity, it was re-writing history and presenting it as fact, in order to absorb other cultures into its Christian “empire”. Here’s my issue with (some) people of faith. They just give Constantine and the Nicean Council a “Mulligan” when it comes to the veracity of the very text you now cite as “evidence” of your god. Here’ the thing, the Bible is evidence of the Council of Nicaea 325 A.D.
Granny Godzilla
July 26th, 2010
4:02 pm
Johnny Reb
how can a memo that has “surfaced” then be described as rumored to be in british hands?
This is from the Fox News – Limbaugh pipeline…..
Try a little MMA, it’ll clear up that claptrap for ya’.
Whatdya’ think about BP’s involvement?
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
4:08 pm
kayaker71, excuse me, I recognize him as the POTUS. he he was elected and he is the President that makes him “credible” in my book (as credible as any other President). “faith” is entirely different. I am far to cynical to place my “faith” in any politician, or our political process. if you want to critique his performance and find him “overmatched” or “unqualified” or “a failure” in my opinion, these things are not related to credibility.
Tundra Dude
July 26th, 2010
4:41 pm
CT wrote, in part:
“You can understand why Buck is troubled that he might be identified with a group of delusional folks who insist that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States.”
An Inquiring Mind might ask: Are all these folks delusional?
BO, in the 2004 Senatorial debate with Allan Keyes, responded to an assertion that he was not even a natural-born citizen:
“So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”.
Michelle O, mentioned in a speech that she’d visited Kenya, “the country of his birth”.
BO’s grandma (Sarah?)
After winning the D nomination, she proudly claimed to have witnessed his birth
(in Mombasa)
James Orengo, Minister of Lands, speaking to parliament, March 25,2010:
“If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?”
African journalists, beginning in 2004, during BO’s senatorial race, referred to BO as “one of their own” or “African-born” or “Kenyan-born”. Of course, a racist might suggest these African journalists are somehow less-gifted at their craft…..
ctucker
July 26th, 2010
5:40 pm
Tundra Dude, Michelle never said any such thing. It’s a myth. And, yes, they are all delusional
Tundra Dude
July 26th, 2010
5:56 pm
Correction: MO’s exact phrase was “his home country”, (referring to their trip to Kenya)
more delusional snippettes:
Deputy Speaker (Kenyan Parliament) Maalim Farah:
“Honorable members, as you may be aware, the people of the United States of America have just had a historic election where the son of this soil, Barrack Hussein Obama, has been elected the 44th president of the United States of America and the first African-American president in the history of that country,”
Modern Ghana
“For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth,” the report said.
African Travel Magazine
“As Kenyan born U.S. Senator Barack Obama jets into Kenya today as part of his African tour, concerns have once again been raised on the security preparations for other visitors and residents. ….”
the Sunday Standard in Kenya.
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born Obama all set for Senate
Loren
July 26th, 2010
6:35 pm
Tundra Dude, the supposed quote from “BO, in the 2004 Senatorial debate with Allan Keyes” is also completely bogus. A representative of Keyes’ own campaign has said it never happened.
I’d say it’s indicative of your level of critical research that your first two examples were just plain factually wrong.
JohnnyReb
July 26th, 2010
6:48 pm
neo-Carlinist, my correction on the post stands. Just becuase the author changed and it was posted on a blog instead of the WSJ does not mean its a bad article. I find the article rings true. That’s my opinion, and this is a an opinion blog.
Granny, the news is reporting the State Department has released the memo, so one does apparently exist. Not sure of the timeline yet, but initial reports are Obama knew of the release before it occurred and instead of telling them no, he bowed to the Arab world. No surprise there.
Tundra Dude
July 26th, 2010
6:51 pm
Loren:
Nonsense! It was televised locally, but just try finding the film……everything’s been “cleansed”.
lasux
July 26th, 2010
8:41 pm
Don’t offend the dumbass wing. They keep the other half (the retards) in check.
WideAwake
July 26th, 2010
9:24 pm
To avoid reality its easy to scream about him being foreign born.
The question, is if illegal immigrants can come to the country 9 1/2 months pregnant and give birth the same day they arrive in the country and their children are american citizens THEN how does Pres. Obama get so much flack….I just don’t get it! His biological mother was an american citizen, he was born in hawaii, the only outside factor was his father was kenyan born but here in the U.S.A. on a visa…Again, I just don’t get it.
I guess when my child (one day run for presidency) their birth rites will come into play. I am an american citizen, child was born on U.S. soil, but the father is from another country (not an american citizen). Is my child a U.S. citizen? So confused with this birther nonsense.
Loren
July 27th, 2010
9:07 am
Tundra Dude,
Take your pick:
1) Obama had the non-sequitur exchange as alleged, but Obama agents have successfully “cleansed” the world of every video, audio, transcript, and contemporary news mention (both online and in print) of the exchange, so that the only record of it is in the memories of Birthers themselves.
OR
2) It’s a bogus internet rumor.
Apply a little Occam’s Razor. Which seems more probable?
PublicServant
July 27th, 2010
3:01 pm
True- the print media repeatedly raised McCain’s ‘natural born’ status in 2008 which compelled him to produce his original birth certificate- but NOT when he ran for President in 2000- why was this issue raised in 2008, when McCain’s rival, with a foreign parent, managed to escape serious scrutiny?- Obama’s birthplace remains UNKNOWN- Gov Lingle did say Obama was born in Kapi’olani Hospital per a press release- but she lied- there is NO Press release from Hawaii giving any hospital name and to this day, Kapi’olani will not claim to be Obama’s birthplace- so where was he born?- in Kenya?- as the Kenyans claim? Obama has a reason to lie- if born in Kenya, he is not “natural born” per the Constitution. The Kenyans have no obvious motive to lie– and GOV Lingle never looked for any Obama birth record herself- instead relying on her bureaucrat, the Health Director, who claims Obama is “natural born,” despite no evidence or proof. Meanwhile former Hawaii elections official Tim Adams claims ‘everyone knew’ there was NO hospital birth record for Obama. Nixon was pushed out of office based on a cover-up of a crime he did not commit- this sweeping Obama records cover-up makes the Nixon scheming look sophomoric- and since it’s Obama’s own records, the controversy goes directly to the White House! What happened to Obama’s promised transparency? Doesn’t the public have a right to know if Obama conforms to the Constitution or not? Is he above the law?
jswnwv
August 1st, 2010
4:26 am
The real scandal facing Obama is the social security number he is using belongs to a dead man? It seems three independent invesigators have found the S.S.N. Obama is using belonged to a man from Conneticut who has been dead for decades. It seems Obama started using his S.S.N. in 1986.
WOW, Birthers could be right all the time!
jswnwv
August 1st, 2010
4:34 am
Doesn’t the public have a right to know if Obama conforms to the Constitution or not? Is he above the law?
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They will call anyone loons, idiots, and racists for asking that simple question.
But it’s our right to know. Too much evidence says that Obama was not born here and I can not ignore it.