Sen. Webb says ‘white privilege’ is a myth

It’s pretty difficult to have a rational discussion about race, for the reasons my colleague Jay Bookman has outlined today. Quite frankly, his list of reasons is incomplete: Today’s political and civic climate includes a host of loud mouths who are not interested in a rational conversation about race. Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Andrew Breitbart come to mind.
Nevertheless, I sally forth in the hope that a few reasonable people might come across new information that gives them pause, makes them think, changes their minds. Today, Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) has a fascinating column in the Wall Street Journal that ought to provide fodder for reasonable conversation. UPDATE: A reader pointed to a link to the column, so here it is. )
The column, which has a rather provocative title, “Diversity and The Myth of White Privilege,” argues for the end of government-sanctioned affirmative action programs. But it’s not a simple-minded argument which pretends that discrimination, especially against blacks, never existed. Instead, Webb points out that broad-based diversity efforts boost “people of color” who never suffered historic discrimination in this country, while excluding whites who have suffered poverty.
I don’t agree with everything Webb says. He exaggerates in places, claiming, for example, that “WASP elites have fallen by the wayside,” a gross exaggeration which ignores the concentration of WASPs among the wealthy and powerful. (George H.W.Bush and sons come to mind.)
Nevertheless, Webb raises valid points:

I have dedicated my political career to bringing fairness to America’s economic system and to our work force, regardless of what people look like or where they may worship. Unfortunately, present-day diversity programs work against that notion, having expanded so far beyond their original purpose that they now favor anyone who does not happen to be white.

In an odd historical twist that all Americans see but few can understand, many programs allow recently arrived immigrants to move ahead of similarly situated whites whose families have been in the country for generations. These programs have damaged racial harmony. And the more they have grown, the less they have actually helped African-Americans, the intended beneficiaries of affirmative action as it was originally conceived.

How so?

Lyndon Johnson’s initial program for affirmative action was based on the 13th Amendment and on the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which authorized the federal government to take actions in order to eliminate “the badges of slavery.” Affirmative action was designed to recognize the uniquely difficult journey of African-Americans. This policy was justifiable and understandable, even to those who came from white cultural groups that had also suffered in socio-economic terms from the Civil War and its aftermath.

The injustices endured by black Americans at the hands of their own government have no parallel in our history, not only during the period of slavery but also in the Jim Crow era that followed. But the extrapolation of this logic to all “people of color”—especially since 1965, when new immigration laws dramatically altered the demographic makeup of the U.S.—moved affirmative action away from remediation and toward discrimination, this time against whites. It has also lessened the focus on assisting African-Americans, who despite a veneer of successful people at the very top still experience high rates of poverty, drug abuse, incarceration and family breakup.

Those who came to this country in recent decades from Asia, Latin America and Africa did not suffer discrimination from our government, and in fact have frequently been the beneficiaries of special government programs. The same cannot be said of many hard-working white Americans, including those whose roots in America go back more than 200 years.

I would choose a different remedy than Webb’s. I would argue that affirmative action programs still have a role to play, but they should be class-based and not color-based.

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Rafe Hollister

July 23rd, 2010
10:14 pm

Beleck: The point you libs miss about helping the poor and disabled is that Christ calls on each of us to voluntarily without being asked to step forward and help those in need. I don’t think he ever considered that one day governments would use their powers to force wealth transfer. The Gov takes so much of our money that there is little left to voluntarily use to help out someone in need, plus “we already gave at the office”.

Mallory

July 23rd, 2010
10:14 pm

Ms. Tucker, the election of our first black president has cost your people their leverage.

It was bound to happen.

You made it happen.

concerned mother

July 23rd, 2010
10:15 pm

Well, I see no one’s talking the issue so its no wonder that CT would bail on the discussion.

Not Racist or Prejudiced

July 23rd, 2010
10:15 pm

@Privileged: I am priviledged to be called a ‘racist’ if i have critique on other cultures than my own. BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE CULTURES THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED THROUGH ACTUALY EXPERIENCE BEFORE YOU “CRITIQUE” THEM.
I am priviledged to be called a ‘racist’ if i have critique on liberals. IF BY CRITIQUE YOU MEAN HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AS OPPOSED TO MAKING VILE AND RUDE PERSONAL ATTACK COMMENTS, THEN “CRITIQUE” IS FINE.
I am priviledged to be called a ‘racist’ if i don’t support Obama’s current policies. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT NOT TO SUPPORT A PRESIDENT’S POLICIES. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO THREATEN HIS LIFE, THAT OF HIS FAMILY, MAKE NASTY AND IGNORANT COMMENTS ABOUT HIS PERSONAGE, WHERE HE COMES FROM OR TELL HIM TO BACK TO AFRICA WHILE DRESSED IN A MONKEY SUIT.
I am priviledged to be called a ‘racist’ if i do not support handouts and entitlement. SINCE YOU DON’T SUPPORT HANDOUTS OR ENTITLEMENTS, I’M SURE YOU WILL REFUSE YOUR MEDICARE AND ANY SOCIAL SECURITY DUE YOU–ALL ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS.
I am priviledged to be called a ‘racist’ if i say that illegal aliens have commited a crime and are not exempt from consequences. DOES THAT INCLUDE WESTERN EUROPEAN ILLEGAL ALIENS OR JUST THOSE THAT ARE BROWN AND SPEAK SPANISH?

NATURALLY “YOU” IS BEING USED BROADLY AND NOT JUST AIMED AT YOU. SO, IF YOU RESPOND TO THIS POST, PLEASE DON’T COME BACK WITH THE TYPICAL, “I DIDN’T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS.” PLENTY OF PEOPLE HAVE, WHICH WOULD QUALIFY THEM AS RACISTS.

Jose

July 23rd, 2010
10:17 pm

Tuck, you must be filled with so much hate for white conservatives that it eats you up inside. You really carry no weight in the national battle and have only this blog that people can come on daily and either support you and your racist ways or call you what you is, a bigot. It really is no wonder that your employer is in serious finacial trouble and why you are only taken serious by a small, and I do mean small amount of Atlantans. It really is a shame your paper can not afford to cover the whole state of Georgia. Like I said only a small amount get to see your ignorance.

Jose

July 23rd, 2010
10:19 pm

Tuck always bales when she can’t support her racism any longer. Very weak minded, like most racist both black and white.

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
10:23 pm

concerned mother :

I tried “talking the issue” in my earlier posts (go back and see) but she wouldn’t bite or even answer my questions.

RF

July 23rd, 2010
10:24 pm

BD: studying Ruby Payne helped me understand what a fundamentally different perspective generational poverty gives a person. It’s one thing to look at a poor person and just think he or she isn’t trying or has the “entitlement” mentality. It’s another thing when you can understand that that person’s entire perspective on life, the opportunities available, and money are completely different from the middle class. Many do not see the long-term opportunity to move up, while any of us who are educated and can cling, however desperately, to middle class, if put into poverty would only be there as long as it took to get out. To truly help a person from poverty find a way out, you have to help them develop a completely new, and sometimes foreign, view of the world and their place in it. That isn’t easy, but we teachers could do a lot more to help if we really wanted to try.

Beleck

July 23rd, 2010
10:24 pm

and if white men chosoe not to see the “power structure” they live in and are part of, that still doesn’t change the facts. i don’t have to touch water to know it is “wet.” after living in and under a “white power structure” since July 4th, 1776, i wonder how long these people can choose to see their own version of “reality.” and live with others who see a different reality. no one here lives separate and apart from one another. kind of like a powder keg. we are all in this together, whether we like it or not.

that’s part of the “Reality” being sold. the “wish” that i have no responsibility to anyone else.
as if. lol.” My taxes are for me, “only” and not you!!! based thinking. get out of my face behavior if you disagree. class war indeed using white vs. black as cover. stealing and looting a la Banksters goes on while the black and white war gives the rich cover to loot America.

and they have done well over the last decade in particular.

reality is a set of cold hard facts, which i gather most don’t like and choose to live with their own version. that i have to live with such fear based actions, self destroying behavior is the reality of those choosing not to deal with the America we are, not what is.

Been a long time coming, this bare faced outright attack on white privilege that began in the Civil Rights Act. and it will take generations to work out. so, let the rich loot America while we fight black against white. they, the rich, are doing a wonderfully good job at fleecing the poor and the middle class..

as they say. thanks to you… it’s working.. the theft is way ahead of schedule.

Ronald Jc

July 23rd, 2010
10:25 pm

We tried it WITHOUT affirmative action after the civil war and we got Jim Crow. We tried it separate but equal and we got unequal. We tried intergration and we got the back of the bus. We tried civil rights but we get little civil respect. If you leave hiring, residential, security issues to whites would there be MORE minorities in employment positions, homes, and police stations? How many Black people run fortune 500s or Mid-size businesses? How many of you so called “reverse racism, anti-affirmative action” crying white males would even KNOW a qualified Black man, let alone hire one? Give me a break. If you look at this country and the corporate, political, and judicial systems, white men seem to be doing pretty well.

Get Off Of It Already

July 23rd, 2010
10:25 pm

I’ll be glad to pay reparations to anyone alive today that was a slave, and to every slave I’ve ever owned. OK?

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
10:25 pm

Not Racist or Prejudiced :

You need to take a deep breath.

The only thing that qualifies someone as a “racist” is if they believe their race is genetically superior to another ……….. otherwise they are just bigoted, biased, prejudiced or just plain picky.

Please try to use the right words.

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
10:29 pm

Get Off Of It Already :

Exactly. And this may not seem like much but you know what else I do.

When I was a kid growing up in Chattanooga, some of my more “well to do” friends on the other side of the tracks had black “maids”. Like my wife, they were practically raised by them and they were always very nice to me.

Whenever, I see a black lady who even comes close to that age group (they would be in their 80’s now), I kill myself trying to get doors for them, help them out of their car, etc. Anything I can do.

Christina

July 23rd, 2010
10:32 pm

“sally forth in the hops”???? Editing! Spellcheck! Something, PLEASE!

Beleck

July 23rd, 2010
10:33 pm

keeping the “Minorities” on the defensive is a great ploy. the best defense is a good offense. eff over anyone who tries to stop the “script.”

the attack on the Civil Rights Act, the return to straight white male domination, is what is going on here.
there were too many changes for the white males in power and they learned how to sell the “fear” to the poor white brethren under the “fear of the blacks” and payback from slavery.

it works so well. so amazingly well for the last 30 years.

my mother protested in the streets against “integration.” so i “Know” what is going down. been there done that. lies are still lies. fear of the Black man and payback. i just wonder how long before more people are killed. how many times, as Bob Dylan said. the truth is eternal.

that’s is why the whites are so afraid. they got screwed by their own people. the rich threw them under the bus like Obama has done to all those who voted for him. payback for Obama is coming in November and it will be SWEET!!!

cooter

July 23rd, 2010
10:34 pm

Imaginary sky-cloud diety,

Please smite me to hell, I couldn’t bare spending a moment in heaven with your pious followers….

T.G.301

July 23rd, 2010
10:40 pm

There’s one constant in the slow process of eradicating racism from america’s face and that is time, if we for one moment read back, think back and look back we would be able to see that america has come farther than any other country on earth in a shared world and having a black president has nothing to do with it. The primary reason for this progress and what will be the primary reason for the eradication of racism are the young people of america. These are the people who did not see color during the presidential race, these are the people who with unyielding determination never gave up or gave into apartheid in south africa, these are the people who suffered in silence and cried out aloud but continued to literally marched forward toward a day of now. what i’m trying to say to you is that the old becomes extinct with time, the new becomes old with time and today will always be different we may not be here to see it but time will right all wrongs, in time you’ll see.

Ronald Jc

July 23rd, 2010
10:40 pm

@Scout – so you are saying because black maids were nice to you and your wife and you hold doors for women in that age group (what about the younger ones? A woman is a woman) you are not racist? You are right, you are ignorant.

@Getoffitalready – Did your family leave you anything? Money? Probably made off the back of slaves. Black people don’t want reparations, we want white people to repair their minds and hearts because whether you like it or not, you are not the predominate race on this world and one day you will be on the other side of this situation. Read your BIBLE.

Not Racist or Prejudiced

July 23rd, 2010
10:41 pm

@Kevinbgoode
“…The heart of conservatism is a deeply-held belief in supporting classism – reasoning that those with the means handed to them are entitled to opportunity and the rest aren’t intelligent or willing to work hard enough to magically break into the proper network. The large elephant in the room of opportunity is our failure to recognize or discuss a system which has always favored the connected over the talented.”

You must add racism to the conservatifve’s deeply held beliefs, for what else could explain poor whites who are registered Republicans, yet they live in trailor parks, have no education, no job, and little hope of making a better life for themselves? These same poor whites would never want to be associated with poor blacks, since they, in their poorness, see themselves as superior simply based on their white skin.

kI say that if we voted our wallets or pocketbooks vs. a party, the privileged would be out of the picture and the middle class and others would be setting policy for this country.

killerj

July 23rd, 2010
10:41 pm

Dam Cynthia,sounds like South Africa.Go tea parties.

Not Racist or Prejudiced

July 23rd, 2010
10:45 pm

@Scout
I did use the correct word. You should pay close attention to you own point. What allows these racists to make ignorant comments or tell someone to “go back to Africa” is that they think they are superior and is a position to tell the president of the US what to do and where he should go. You can;t get any more superior than that.

dtruth

July 23rd, 2010
10:46 pm

I agree with some of what Mr. Webb says. But from my perspective white privilege is alive, well and practiced more now than ever in GA especially, as well as all over the U.S. I, my wife and many friends have first hand experience of seeing many low educated, whites with no experience in fields where they are hired as the manager, lead or highest paying position. This is happening in Fed Gov, State Gov, Banking, Telecom, and numerous other organizations. Whether its nepotism or racism it is alive and well. Blacks that have worked in the organization for years that are supremely qualified will never get offered the job. Now with the first black president and the worst financial situation in this country in my life time it has gotten worse. Whites are looking out for their friends and family even more today because of paranoia about a “Black President”.One blogger mentioned they hired numerous unqualified blacks with the white man being last. I can’t believe a white manager with appropriate hiring authority would hire a unqualified black because of affirmative action. If they did its their fault, they should hire the best person. I personally was laid off of my job when Gov Purdue outsourced state jobs in 2009. I had perfect qualifications for positions (per HR) with the newly organized state and private companies that were taking over. I did not even get an interview for one of ten positions that I fully qualified for. A white women that was politically connected with no experience whatsoever in this area was hired in one of the positions and lower qualified whites were placed in all other jobs. I was laid off along with numerous other blacks. I am not racist, but this is what I have seen.

Salty Dawg

July 23rd, 2010
10:48 pm

I never owned a slave and a never oppressed another person whether black, brown, white, or otherwise. So why should I have the deck stacked against me when I go for a job interview? Is injustice the remedy for injustice? If someone steals my car am I made whole by being allowed to steal the car of another? If someone assaults me should I be allowed to assault another innocent person to help me recover? Shouldn’t I be made whole in a way that doesn’t unfairly penalize others?
I empathize with those who have suffered from racial discrimination, for that is what I am forced to deal with through no fault of my own. I’m all for penalizing companies, schools, etc. that discriminate. Sue them into bankruptcy for all I care. But I also believe that rewards should be based on merit. The best person for the job should get the job. The most qualified applicants should get into the best schools. If there is a disadvantaged class of people, whether it is based on race, gender, religion, or socioeconomic status, then help those people advance by helping them become the most qualified. Give them training and support to help them earn the best jobs and spots in the best schools.
Frankly, I would be insulted if a company wanted to give me a job because I fit some kind of ethnic or gender quota and it always amazes me when other people aren’t. Strictly on the basis of total numbers there are more poor white people than poor black people, so it obviously isn’t about helping the disadvantaged get ahead. And gifting someone a job doesn’t make them qualified for that job, so it isn’t about helping the disadvantaged better themselves. So ask yourself this: what is the point of affirmative action? It is appeasement. And if you aren’t insulted by that, you should be.

bud

July 23rd, 2010
10:48 pm

I like paying taxes. I don’t mind the trade-off. Infrastructure (roads,bridges,etc.) and safety(police,fire depts.) are worth every dime.

denmark vesey

July 23rd, 2010
10:48 pm

webb’s commentary reminds us that racism against Blacks and non whites is alive, well and thriving in the united states. webb’s argument that the white man in america is in trouble is pure fantasy and not based in reality. if we’re honest, the policy makers and those who control every institution in america are white. pity the white man………..I think not!!!!

ctjay

July 23rd, 2010
10:52 pm

C’mon Cynthia, don’t let the establishment scare you. You and I both know that affirmative action programs are a necessary evil that seeks to overcome the effects of past and current racial discrimination. If you believe for one second, because a few black women have been pushed to the front of the line at the expense of black men, that covert and institutionalized racism is a thing of the past………..let me be the first to pull the wool from over your eyes. Hmmmmmmmm, but maybe you’re right…….since affirmative action programs did more to advance ONLY white and black WOMEN (b/c we all know employers would much rather hire a black woman over a black man…………….don’t believe it?…..look around your office), we should just scrap it since it never helped the brotha’s anyway.

Beleck

July 23rd, 2010
10:52 pm

before “integration” my city was more “integrated” than after. all “integration” did was segregate my city. since then, black and white live further apart than ever. what an irony that the fear of the “black man” caused more segregation than integration.

what a waste!!! do something that works this time. for we are running out of space to run away from each other.besides when the rich are done with us, we shall all be as poor as those we “label as unworthy.” and the fear level is being raised higher and higher and boosted more and more to avoid dealing with a broken society. our myths and frameworks don’t work any more. yet all i see is the call to go back to “yesterday”. which didn’t work then either. we need new ways of seeing the old truths.

and yesterday sucked so bad,especially if you weren’t a straight white man, you were effed. of course, today women are still being “screwed” every which way. Women must be really frightening to some men. i have no desire to go back to the horrors of yesterday. although, the similarities with today are frighteningly comparable. just now it is easier to screw poor whites as easily as was done to the blacks.

i am amazed how well the PR campaign to divide us according to color works and not a whole lot is said about being screwed by the Rich Corporations who own our Congress, President and Court system. Focus on the hate between black and white works as a diversion to take and consolidate corporate control.

how like sheep we are being led to slaughter. financial slaughter, this time.

Ronin

July 23rd, 2010
10:53 pm

Scout @ 5:31, you’re correct.

The Webb post speaks volumes.

Ronald Jc

July 23rd, 2010
10:54 pm

@dtruth – most of these people are repeating FAUX News talking points. They cry about 1 black man getting a job because of a law but say nothing about 20 white men getting jobs because of nepotism, bias, or racism. The majority of workers in state government are white. Funny, the Republicans act like the only people unemployed are Black. I LMAO when I see uneducated, poor, unemployed whites, crying about what President Obama is doing to them when they were in the same or worse condition under Bush.

Not Racist or Prejudiced

July 23rd, 2010
10:57 pm

Amen, Ronald Jc

BravesFan79

July 23rd, 2010
10:59 pm

The REAL victims in America are Black Women! Their black men infect them with diseases and abuse them at such high rates that AIDS and Femicide are the top 2 killers of beautiful black women. What a shame, no wonder so many black females have to turn to white men for marriage.

Ronald Jc

July 23rd, 2010
11:00 pm

@Mallory – “Ms. Tucker, the election of our first black president has cost your people their leverage.
It was bound to happen. You made it happen.”

What leverage? It seems to me that “your people” are the ones saying we HAVE leverage because he is President. Make up your mind. President Obama has done more to help rich white bankers and CEOs, and poor whites than he has for black people. Do you know that there are MORE WHITES on unemployment and welfare than Blacks? Sure the percentage of Blacks is higher but the actual number of whites is higher.

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
11:00 pm

Beleck:

You sure are hard to figure out.

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
11:03 pm

Ronald jc:

If you will read what I said again ……… I said “I kill myself” trying to get doors for those older ladie. I have even crossed the street !

Of course I do it for all women …….. but they are a special group.

Good grief ……… you are splitting hairs here. Lighten up.

stw

July 23rd, 2010
11:05 pm

Has anyone seen CT and Michelle Obama in the same room together ??

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
11:06 pm

Not Racist or Prejudiced :

I think I am superior to an Auburn fan or a “leg” from the Army. Does that mean I think I am genetically superior ?

Give me a break.

You don’t know what people are thinking and until you do, use the right word ……… “bigot” which follows their actions without getting into genetics.

Beleck

July 23rd, 2010
11:06 pm

after 40 years of pushing/ selling the fear of the black man, i don’t think any change for the good will come quickly. 40 years of hyping “fear” to the whites has paid off in a real mind continuum that only education can unravel. thing is, Schools are Socialistic. they “help” some people think. and thinking is the sure fire way to help stop the “fear” being sold to the whites. so no money for education, schools, and anything that “blacks” might be helped by.

that’s how the war on Government works. and worked for the last 40 years. Madison Ave PR campaign is a success. and now we have a Government that finally doesn’t work at all.
the Government is the Problem mantra finally came true. as long as blacks aren’t helped, Government is great, i.e. Medicare, Social Security. But blacks can use roads, schools, bridges, libraries, and all other social structure, and no taxes are to go there. cause Blacks can get some of my taxes.

we’ve been told over and over that taxes enable the poor to suck on hard working capable people.

and “poor” is another word for “black.

Ronald Jc

July 23rd, 2010
11:07 pm

@ SaltyDawg – “I never owned a slave and a never oppressed another person whether black, brown, white, or otherwise. So why should I have the deck stacked against me when I go for a job interview? ”

Explain how the ‘deck is stacked’ against you. Because you are white? Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase! What are your qualifications? Has a black man ever gotten a job over you because of affirmative action? If so, why didn’t you file a reverse descrimination suit? Stop spouting what you THINK might happen and deal with reality. I tell you what, take an unqualified black man with you the next time you apply and see who gets the job.

Beleck

July 23rd, 2010
11:09 pm

Scout, yeah you are right. i am complex, but life is complex so i do the best i can

fcuk

July 23rd, 2010
11:11 pm

Hey, and why is anyone pointing to the fact that Tom Vilsack, without hesitation, asked for the resignation of Shirley Sherrod. As a black person, I see (CLEARLY) how racism played a role in how her superiors reacted to her and the situation…….no benefit of the doubt, no respect, no second thoughts, no listening to her side of the story. Just a bunch of panic-stricken phone calls and and a cancellation of her USDA login account! “Get out……you n*gger…..never wanted ya here in the first place”……..”I knew we shouldn’t have hired her”…….”what was she thinking?”……..”we knew it was too good to be true”………thoughts that obviously raced through the mind of her “superiors”…….call me callous, but this is simply more proof that blacks are the last hired hired……first fired…………..ALWAYS!!!!

RLJ

July 23rd, 2010
11:12 pm

Interesting post and ideas. Ross Douthat’s recent column in the NYT pointed out how middle to lower class whites are excluded from Ivie League schools more greatly than minorities from similar classes. In seeking diversity, universities exclude a part of the diversity of this country. I agree that it is not a racial thing, but a class thing. I am not sure of the solutions that anyone proposes.

Beleck

July 23rd, 2010
11:12 pm

what’s even more interesting is i am told my great great grandparents owned slaves, or so we gather from the oral history. and i grew up with blacks and was told not to associate with black, because “you just don’t do those things.”

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
11:12 pm

Salty Dawg:

Good words and better yet Constitutional !

Jose

July 23rd, 2010
11:13 pm

Slavery is not dead. The democratic party is the largest slave owners in the world. They just don’t own blacks mind you. Oh no, they show no prejudice to their slaves, any color will do. They will give you “free” healthcare, free food, pay you to sit home and if you want to look for a job, that’s ok. Maybe one day they will give free housing and cars. No my friends, slavery is not dead and the best part is all your owners ask is you vote for them every election. Yes sir, that’s not much to ask for when it comes to all this “free” stuff you gonna get. A vote for a democrat is a vote for slavery. The new motto for 2010 and 2012.

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
11:14 pm

Beleck:

10-4 !

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
11:15 pm

Jose:

Our government system of taking care of people has ruined generations of families and wasted Trillions.

Mikeo76

July 23rd, 2010
11:15 pm

Salty Dawg

Do you realize how contradictory your comments are?

“If there is a disadvantaged class of people, whether it is based on race, gender, religion, or socioeconomic status, then help those people advance by helping them become the most qualified. Give them training and support to help them earn the best jobs and spots in the best schools.”

Isn’t that what affirmative action was intended to do? Or, do you have a better plan?

Jose

July 23rd, 2010
11:20 pm

No lie scout, it started with Roosevelt and continues to this day. The slaves that were given their freedom and had to work their butts off to make it and yes, they still faced severe prejudice but they endured. What happened to that generation? What happened to the generation that went through a depression 10x’s worse then we have it now starting in the late 20’s? Our government has made us depend on them for almost everything we need to survive and who pays for it? All of us hard working people. It’s a damn shame but, we idiots are to blame for this mess. We let the jerks take us over. Shame on us all.

Ronald Jc

July 23rd, 2010
11:21 pm

@Scout – I can’t “Lighten up!” Why are these 80 year old black women a “special group?” Sounds like affirmative action to me. LOL! Seriously, you sound like whites that claim they are non-racist because they have a couple of black “friends” yet those same friends have never been to their home or them to theirs, or gone on vacation with them, or gone to church with them, etc.

If you really want to hold open doors for black people, then hire a qualified black person or help them get a job through your network. Being extra nice to people that remind you of former nannies sounds like guilt to me.

waterst

July 23rd, 2010
11:29 pm

What to solve the race problem? Get the 80% of black American parents who ignore their kids and teach them absolutely nothing, to start doing their damned jobs.