It’s dumb to block smart kids from going to college, even if they’re here illegally

WASHINGTON — With Americans furious over illegal immigration — Democrats, independents, Republicans and tea partiers — there is little hope for comprehensive immigration reform this year. Incredibly, a majority supports Arizona’s ugly new law, which — no matter what its proponents say — begs for racial profiling.

The harsh political climate may begin to look a bit sunnier as the recession recedes and hiring picks up. In fact, there is room even now for leadership on the issue of illegal immigration.

While 58 percent of Americans support Arizona’s approach, 57 percent of the nation favors allowing undocumented workers a path to citizenship. Voters could probably be persuaded to support comprehensive immigration reform if Democratic leaders made a sustained push for it.

Until that happens, Congress ought to concentrate on a few small bills that would represent a modest improvement over the current reality for millions of those without papers — a life of living in the shadows, without legal protections, with continual fear of deportation and little chance for improved circumstances.

One of the best opportunities lies in the DREAM Act, which would allow promising undocumented students to start a path toward citizenship if they meet certain standards. The proposal — pushed for years by U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) — is intended to boost illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, have finished high school and want to attend college or join the U.S. Armed Forces. The bill is a win not only for those students, but also for the country as a whole.

Much of the fury directed at illegal immigrants feeds off the notion that many of them are unfairly taking advantage of benefits that should be restricted to American citizens. However, that’s not the case with college; undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.

In fact, the United States doesn’t have nearly enough students attending college. President Obama has talked again and again about the country’s decline in educational attainment: the U.S. used to the lead the world in the number of people with college degrees, but we’ve fallen behind.

Our declining educational attainment comes as a structural change in the labor force has made post-secondary education more necessary for middle-class wages. According to Georgetown University researchers, there will be more positions demanding a two-year degree than qualified applicants to fill them by the year 2018.

In that climate, we can hardly afford to obstruct ambitious, hardworking young people who want to attend college and join the great American mainstream. According to some estimates, 65,000 undocumented students graduate from U.S. high schools each year. Why not let them attend college or join the military and then attain permanent legal status?

The DREAM Act doesn’t attempt to determine whether students here illegally should be charged in-state tuition. State legislatures would still be free to charge them the higher out-of-state rate, if they chose.

Nor would the DREAM Act attract a steady stream of illegal border-crossers. It is narrowly tailored for students who entered the country before the age of 15 and have lived here continuously for at least five years.

The act, would, however stop cold the kind of narrow-minded natavism that has gripped Georgia Republicans. According to Atlanta Journal-Constitution columnist Jim Galloway, 14 GOP state senators have demanded that Georgia colleges and universities refuse to accept students without papers.

Georgia has prospered because it has imported college graduates from other states, and it still needs a better eductated workforce. It’s shameful that so many of its elected officials believe it’s critical to deprive students of the opportunity to get a degree just because they entered the country illegally years ago.

It is a sensible proposal that deals with a small part of the problem of illegal immigration. Neverthless, Sen. Durbin seems willing to allow the bill to languish until the Senate takes up comprehensive immigration reform, which seems unlikely this year.

That leaves undocumented achievers such as Jessica Colotl, a student at metro Atlanta’s Kennesaw State University, and Eric Balderas, who attends Harvard, to live with fear and uncertainty. It’s in their best interests to pass the DREAM Act soon — and in the country’s best interests, as well.

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You're blocking Veto

June 18th, 2010
3:09 pm

Don’t block ‘em. Get legal and then go!

blutto

June 18th, 2010
3:28 pm

CYNTHIA: “undocumented workers … promising undocumented students … illegal immigrants … ambitious hardworking young people … students without papers … undocumented achievers”

They are not undocumented workers. Most if not all possess some sort of documentation , forged or otherwise. Many are not workers but have committed serious crimes in addition to having illegally entered this country. They are not immigrants as the word means “a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence.” They may or may not “lack papers” or be “achievers” or “promising” or “hardworking” or “ambitious” or “students.”

All are here illegally and should be required to leave this country, go back to their own, obtain the necessary work or study permit and wait their turn. Here again liberals adore laws that are not on the books but wish to ignore those that are. To liberals the rule of law means never having to obey ones with which you disagree. What a shame.

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
3:32 pm

“It’s dumb to block smart kids from going to college, even if they’re here illegally”

Cynthia, after reading the title you’re really going to call someone else dumb?

ctucker

June 18th, 2010
3:35 pm

blutto, Many ar not workers but have committed serious crimes? You have documentation that supports that?

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
3:35 pm

“All are here illegally and should be required to leave this country, go back to their own, obtain the necessary work or study permit and wait their turn. Here again liberals adore laws that are not on the books but wish to ignore those that are. To liberals the rule of law means never having to obey ones with which you disagree”

I couldn’t have said it better myself. Have a great weekend blutto!!!

Granny Godzilla

June 18th, 2010
3:48 pm

Not just dumb, heartless.

Cythina you ever notice

June 18th, 2010
3:50 pm

Cynthia you ever notice those who always insist on using the term “illegal aliens” will almost never refer to the employers that knowingly hire them as “criminals”?

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
3:52 pm

“Not just dumb, heartless.”

I-L-L-E-G-A-L

Even in your old age Grandma, you should still know what this word means. There’s already a process in place to become a US citizen. The KSU student should go back Mexico and do it the right way. Period.

red

June 18th, 2010
3:59 pm

I’d prefer to deport bigots like Peadawg and give amnesty to all…..

Urban Republican

June 18th, 2010
4:00 pm

Ms. Tucker:

How about securing the borders first so there is not an influx of illegal immigrants coming to get an education at American taxpayer expense then returning to their native country?

We cannot afford to educate or provide healthcare for the world. Now that Americans are willing to do “menial” jobs to survive there is no reason why the border cannot be secured.

Democrats and Republicans please secure the borders!!!

blutto

June 18th, 2010
4:00 pm

CYNTHIA: “Many are not workers but have committed serious crimes? You have documentation that supports that?”

No but hundreds of sheriffs do. Do you not see the almost constant reports of shootouts on the border, or illegal aliens being used as “pack mules” to carry drugs across our border, of ranchers in border States being shot at, robbed or killed? Are you not aware of the gangs of illegals that rule parts of several major cities?

But don’t believe me. Try this: “New FBI Statistics on Crimes Committed by Illegal Aliens
CaPoliticalNews ^ | November 12, 2006 | FBI/INS:

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

And this:

In recent Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security and Claims he stated:
“Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status.
In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today’s federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens.”

But let’s just keep ignoring the law. After all to do so makes liberals feel really, really good–until the crime gets to them.

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
4:01 pm

“I’d prefer to deport bigots like Peadawg”

I’m a bigot for wanting to follow our existing laws? I have absolutely no problem with people from other countries coming here in search of a better life. But do it the right way with the processes in place. Not illegally. I’d put money on this: the people who are her in America that gained citizenship the RIGHT way would be pretty pi$$ed off if you give amnesty to all the illegals here.

Kamchak

June 18th, 2010
4:02 pm

I-L-L-E-G-A-L

Even in your old age Grandma, you should still know what this word means.

P-O-U-T-R-A-G-E

Where has this hand wringing and pearl clutching been for the past thirty years?

Granny Godzilla

June 18th, 2010
4:04 pm

Peadawg

Just last night Mr. G and I broke a state law in Georgia….

It was MARVELOUS……

I can spell illegal, I can also spell FUN and LOVING.

Aren’t you a relative newlywed? Haven’t you broken that law too?

ctucker

June 18th, 2010
4:05 pm

Urban Republican, We cannot afford to turn away ambitious young people who want to go to college, either. This country needs more college graduates to compete with the rest of the world. As I made clear in the post (did you read it?), the DREAM Act wouldn’t prompt “an influx of illegal immigrants.”

blutto

June 18th, 2010
4:09 pm

CYNTHIA: “the DREAM Act wouldn’t prompt “an influx of illegal immigrants.”

Now which is the more important function of government, allowing “ambitious young people” (aka illegal aliens) to go to college or protecting the legal residents of this country from the crime that illegals spread? See the FBI/INS Statistics above for a hint as to the correct response.

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
4:10 pm

“We cannot afford to turn away ambitious young people who want to go to college, either. This country needs more college graduates to compete with the rest of the world.”

By legal means I couldn’t agree more with you Cynthia! Well said, ma’am.

“the DREAM Act”

There’s no need for a new act, law, whatever-the-hell-you-wanna-call-it. There’s already a process in place to become a citizen.

Jimmy62

June 18th, 2010
4:13 pm

I’m fine with them going to school, so long as they pay out of state tuition out of their own pocket.

The US has too many people with college educations, which is why we have so many unemployed people in their 20’s with student loan debt. Many people would be better off becoming apprentices. We have a higher education bubble where college degrees are becoming ever more expensive, and the reward for getting one is shrinking to nothing.

A Lumpkin Resident

June 18th, 2010
4:15 pm

“undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.”

First, you have given absolutely no facts to support this.

Second, admission to a University is not the same as admission to a class. If someone who wants to take Calculus II can’t get into college because an illegal is attending the school, then your statement is patently false.

I do, however, believe that providing a path to citizenship via the military is a GOOD idea. It wasn’t these children’s fault that they are here illegally. However, they should not be able to profit from their parents’ illegal acts. Possibly risking their lives in service to our country would , IMO, be a legitimate path to citizenship.

As far as DREAM goes, all non-citizens MUST pay out of state tuition at ALL U.S. Colleges and Universities. It is not fair that my children can’t go to an out-of-state University without ME paying the out-of-state tuition, yet some illegal immigrant gets a break. If that provision is not in DREAM, then I will not support it.

Kamchak

June 18th, 2010
4:16 pm

Now which is the more important function of government, allowing “ambitious young people” (aka illegal aliens) to go to college or protecting the legal residents of this country from the crime that illegals spread?

See St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun’s 1986 amnesty program for a hint as to the correct response.

T-Town

June 18th, 2010
4:17 pm

Never have I seen so many so willing to give away so much that doesn’t belong to them. I brought my grandson to the US legally and paid to do it. If amnesty is declared, will I be reimbursed for my expenses or will I be SOL because I did it the correct way?

kimmer

June 18th, 2010
4:17 pm

“blutto, Many ar not workers but have committed serious crimes? You have documentation that supports that?”

Every last illegal is in this country in willful violation of the sovereignty of the United States of America. That is a serious crime in my book.

Anyway, so if I read you right you are proposing we educate the smart ones even though they might be taking a spot from a US citizen? Oh yeah, that’s a good idea.

Joe

June 18th, 2010
4:20 pm

All fun and games to the country runs out of money- oh- it has. All fun and games unless you have a friend or love one who has spent years and thousands of $s trying to obtain citizenship- oh I do have a few including a wonderful Hispanic business partner. CT- you are simply absurd and your thought process is simply not a thought process. Kind of like “I personally think it is wrong to pull over those who drink and drive if they are driving well at the time and heading to a meeting”.

By the way- your paper let a “magna cum laude GA State” (kind of like my kid is an honor student at the local elementary school) say that the Arizona law is being led by whites fearful of employment? Further proof that the folks like you are the most rascists folks in the country.

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
4:21 pm

“undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.”

Do you have documentation to support this, Cynthia?

Joe

June 18th, 2010
4:25 pm

Does anyway else catch the idiocy of CT- the “let the smart ones stay”- again, let’s let only the good ones stay- pathetic and very demeaning to the great culture and folks of Mexico that they need goddess CT to guide their path.

cgatlanta

June 18th, 2010
4:27 pm

CT, how about the illegal kids take the slots reserved for African-American’s? You cool with that? If so, I don’t see a problem. If not, how are you to call for someone else to sacrifice?

T-Town

June 18th, 2010
4:27 pm

Questions: if we let the smart ones go to college, can we deport the dumb ones? And who decides who’s smart and who’s not?

Scout

June 18th, 2010
4:29 pm

Cynthia:

You are correct. It would be cheaper to give them a full scholarship to attend a university or college of their choice IN MEXICO and we should even give them a one way ticket there !

Great idea !

ctucker

June 18th, 2010
4:30 pm

cgatlanta, What makes you think their are slots “reserved” for anyone?

jkim

June 18th, 2010
4:31 pm

blutto:

I suggest you start thinking for yourself rather than believe garbage statistics. INS ceased to exist in 2003 and FBI does not track crime statistics based on immigration status. Please validate your source before you start poisoning others with bogus stats.

cgatlanta

June 18th, 2010
4:32 pm

CT; Affirmative Action???

Joe

June 18th, 2010
4:37 pm

Kamchak/Riddler- uh, the country can do both- would you rather walk or chew gum?

How about comprehensive immigration reform and a little less golf-

Halftrack

June 18th, 2010
4:39 pm

CT, why do liberals always want to encourage people to break the law. If you had children would you give your children’s sustenance to outsiders. Citizens are the nation’s children and you don’t give illegal people citizen’s sustenance. What you liberals don’t like about the Arizona law is that it will be enforced. Enforcement is the key element in all this stuff about immigration. The Fed’s have abandoned their responsibility to uphold the Constitution. Our Constitution and the President’s oath of office to uphold it does not give him the right to abandon it. When can a citizen demand his right to not obey a law? We all want to be treated equal with the law breakers and let me choose the law I want to break without repercussions. Anarchy begins with a small thing then mushrooms into a monster. As B. Fife said ” you have to nip it in the bud” to maintain control on all fronts. Control the border first – - – then maybe someone can work out a plan for those already here.

Kamchak

June 18th, 2010
4:41 pm

Kamchak/Riddler- uh, the country can do both- would you rather walk or chew gum?

I was quoting someone else in the first part of my post, sport. The italics should have been your first clue.

Scout

June 18th, 2010
4:42 pm

Halftrack:

Because if liberals don’t like a law that’s what they do. Ever compare liberal vs. conservative marches, demonstrations, rallies, etc. ?

cgatlanta

June 18th, 2010
4:42 pm

CT, I went back and read your post again. Let me get this straight; this is a federal program that if great because it will pay out of state tution for illegal kids? What part of your tiny brain doesn’t understand that it’s my/our money??? No government money is free, it all comes from taxes. You really don’t get it do you?

Dred Zepellin

June 18th, 2010
4:47 pm

Eliminate borders, amnesty for all, cumbayah and namaste to all my brothers and sisters….

Anderson Pooper

June 18th, 2010
4:48 pm

Scout, How ’bout you got out on patrol and stay there….

Scout

June 18th, 2010
4:49 pm

THE UNIVERSITY OF MEXICO ! GO PUMA’S !!

Colors: Blue & Gold
Motto: “The Spirit Will Speak for My Race” (Hummmmm …………….. a little problem there.)

Scout

June 18th, 2010
4:50 pm

Anderson Pooper :

……….. and leave you here all by your little old self ? Nah !

Anderson Pooper

June 18th, 2010
4:59 pm

Scout, U da’ man!

stranger in a strange land

June 18th, 2010
5:01 pm

Yeah blutto – please do not introduce any numbers or statistics that might actually prove your point. We liberals would much rather deal in black and white terms like: dumb, smart, fair, unfair, good, bad, etc. You know…words with precise meaings that no one could possibly argue with.

Scout

June 18th, 2010
5:04 pm

Cynthia:

What do you think about that University of “Meh-Hee-Ko” motto?

“The Spirit Will Speak for My Race” …………….. a little “racist” by your definition ?

stranger in a strange land

June 18th, 2010
5:07 pm

Dred Zeppelin @ 447
1)amen,
2) assume that meant ‘amnesty’
3) (and completely off topic – what a fantastic band!)

Anderson Pooper

June 18th, 2010
5:09 pm

I prefer the Cordon Bleu University motto:”You want fries with that?”….

Union

June 18th, 2010
5:12 pm

they should be allowed to go to school.. even if they have made no contribution to this country.. i also think it should be allowed to beat an illegal with a baseball bat.. i mean why not? if youre gonna break a law.. why not break a few.. its not a bad thing.. mexico is critical of our laws.. so lets do what they do.. then they cant b*tch at us.

blutto

June 18th, 2010
5:21 pm

kimmer: “Anyway, so if I read you right you are proposing we educate the smart ones even though they might be taking a spot from a US citizen?”

You read me wrong. Very wrong. I think you meant to address that to Cynthia.

Anderson Pooper

June 18th, 2010
5:22 pm

Union, Why don’t you stick to what you do best, beating yourself off…

Union

June 18th, 2010
5:29 pm

ahh.. you tried to make a funny.. and failed.. kind of like o’duma** the great community organizer..

roldawg70

June 18th, 2010
5:41 pm

so many are afraid someone going getting something they don’t deserve
there are very few undeserving people
it isn’t these kids fault that their parents brought them here
why punish them for something they had no control of
and until we get serious about focusing on employers
there will always a problem