It’s dumb to block smart kids from going to college, even if they’re here illegally

WASHINGTON — With Americans furious over illegal immigration — Democrats, independents, Republicans and tea partiers — there is little hope for comprehensive immigration reform this year. Incredibly, a majority supports Arizona’s ugly new law, which — no matter what its proponents say — begs for racial profiling.

The harsh political climate may begin to look a bit sunnier as the recession recedes and hiring picks up. In fact, there is room even now for leadership on the issue of illegal immigration.

While 58 percent of Americans support Arizona’s approach, 57 percent of the nation favors allowing undocumented workers a path to citizenship. Voters could probably be persuaded to support comprehensive immigration reform if Democratic leaders made a sustained push for it.

Until that happens, Congress ought to concentrate on a few small bills that would represent a modest improvement over the current reality for millions of those without papers — a life of living in the shadows, without legal protections, with continual fear of deportation and little chance for improved circumstances.

One of the best opportunities lies in the DREAM Act, which would allow promising undocumented students to start a path toward citizenship if they meet certain standards. The proposal — pushed for years by U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) — is intended to boost illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, have finished high school and want to attend college or join the U.S. Armed Forces. The bill is a win not only for those students, but also for the country as a whole.

Much of the fury directed at illegal immigrants feeds off the notion that many of them are unfairly taking advantage of benefits that should be restricted to American citizens. However, that’s not the case with college; undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.

In fact, the United States doesn’t have nearly enough students attending college. President Obama has talked again and again about the country’s decline in educational attainment: the U.S. used to the lead the world in the number of people with college degrees, but we’ve fallen behind.

Our declining educational attainment comes as a structural change in the labor force has made post-secondary education more necessary for middle-class wages. According to Georgetown University researchers, there will be more positions demanding a two-year degree than qualified applicants to fill them by the year 2018.

In that climate, we can hardly afford to obstruct ambitious, hardworking young people who want to attend college and join the great American mainstream. According to some estimates, 65,000 undocumented students graduate from U.S. high schools each year. Why not let them attend college or join the military and then attain permanent legal status?

The DREAM Act doesn’t attempt to determine whether students here illegally should be charged in-state tuition. State legislatures would still be free to charge them the higher out-of-state rate, if they chose.

Nor would the DREAM Act attract a steady stream of illegal border-crossers. It is narrowly tailored for students who entered the country before the age of 15 and have lived here continuously for at least five years.

The act, would, however stop cold the kind of narrow-minded natavism that has gripped Georgia Republicans. According to Atlanta Journal-Constitution columnist Jim Galloway, 14 GOP state senators have demanded that Georgia colleges and universities refuse to accept students without papers.

Georgia has prospered because it has imported college graduates from other states, and it still needs a better eductated workforce. It’s shameful that so many of its elected officials believe it’s critical to deprive students of the opportunity to get a degree just because they entered the country illegally years ago.

It is a sensible proposal that deals with a small part of the problem of illegal immigration. Neverthless, Sen. Durbin seems willing to allow the bill to languish until the Senate takes up comprehensive immigration reform, which seems unlikely this year.

That leaves undocumented achievers such as Jessica Colotl, a student at metro Atlanta’s Kennesaw State University, and Eric Balderas, who attends Harvard, to live with fear and uncertainty. It’s in their best interests to pass the DREAM Act soon — and in the country’s best interests, as well.

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You're blocking Veto

June 18th, 2010
3:09 pm

Don’t block ‘em. Get legal and then go!

blutto

June 18th, 2010
3:28 pm

CYNTHIA: “undocumented workers … promising undocumented students … illegal immigrants … ambitious hardworking young people … students without papers … undocumented achievers”

They are not undocumented workers. Most if not all possess some sort of documentation , forged or otherwise. Many are not workers but have committed serious crimes in addition to having illegally entered this country. They are not immigrants as the word means “a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence.” They may or may not “lack papers” or be “achievers” or “promising” or “hardworking” or “ambitious” or “students.”

All are here illegally and should be required to leave this country, go back to their own, obtain the necessary work or study permit and wait their turn. Here again liberals adore laws that are not on the books but wish to ignore those that are. To liberals the rule of law means never having to obey ones with which you disagree. What a shame.

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
3:32 pm

“It’s dumb to block smart kids from going to college, even if they’re here illegally”

Cynthia, after reading the title you’re really going to call someone else dumb?

ctucker

June 18th, 2010
3:35 pm

blutto, Many ar not workers but have committed serious crimes? You have documentation that supports that?

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
3:35 pm

“All are here illegally and should be required to leave this country, go back to their own, obtain the necessary work or study permit and wait their turn. Here again liberals adore laws that are not on the books but wish to ignore those that are. To liberals the rule of law means never having to obey ones with which you disagree”

I couldn’t have said it better myself. Have a great weekend blutto!!!

Granny Godzilla

June 18th, 2010
3:48 pm

Not just dumb, heartless.

Cythina you ever notice

June 18th, 2010
3:50 pm

Cynthia you ever notice those who always insist on using the term “illegal aliens” will almost never refer to the employers that knowingly hire them as “criminals”?

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
3:52 pm

“Not just dumb, heartless.”

I-L-L-E-G-A-L

Even in your old age Grandma, you should still know what this word means. There’s already a process in place to become a US citizen. The KSU student should go back Mexico and do it the right way. Period.

red

June 18th, 2010
3:59 pm

I’d prefer to deport bigots like Peadawg and give amnesty to all…..

Urban Republican

June 18th, 2010
4:00 pm

Ms. Tucker:

How about securing the borders first so there is not an influx of illegal immigrants coming to get an education at American taxpayer expense then returning to their native country?

We cannot afford to educate or provide healthcare for the world. Now that Americans are willing to do “menial” jobs to survive there is no reason why the border cannot be secured.

Democrats and Republicans please secure the borders!!!

blutto

June 18th, 2010
4:00 pm

CYNTHIA: “Many are not workers but have committed serious crimes? You have documentation that supports that?”

No but hundreds of sheriffs do. Do you not see the almost constant reports of shootouts on the border, or illegal aliens being used as “pack mules” to carry drugs across our border, of ranchers in border States being shot at, robbed or killed? Are you not aware of the gangs of illegals that rule parts of several major cities?

But don’t believe me. Try this: “New FBI Statistics on Crimes Committed by Illegal Aliens
CaPoliticalNews ^ | November 12, 2006 | FBI/INS:

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

And this:

In recent Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security and Claims he stated:
“Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status.
In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today’s federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens.”

But let’s just keep ignoring the law. After all to do so makes liberals feel really, really good–until the crime gets to them.

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
4:01 pm

“I’d prefer to deport bigots like Peadawg”

I’m a bigot for wanting to follow our existing laws? I have absolutely no problem with people from other countries coming here in search of a better life. But do it the right way with the processes in place. Not illegally. I’d put money on this: the people who are her in America that gained citizenship the RIGHT way would be pretty pi$$ed off if you give amnesty to all the illegals here.

Kamchak

June 18th, 2010
4:02 pm

I-L-L-E-G-A-L

Even in your old age Grandma, you should still know what this word means.

P-O-U-T-R-A-G-E

Where has this hand wringing and pearl clutching been for the past thirty years?

Granny Godzilla

June 18th, 2010
4:04 pm

Peadawg

Just last night Mr. G and I broke a state law in Georgia….

It was MARVELOUS……

I can spell illegal, I can also spell FUN and LOVING.

Aren’t you a relative newlywed? Haven’t you broken that law too?

ctucker

June 18th, 2010
4:05 pm

Urban Republican, We cannot afford to turn away ambitious young people who want to go to college, either. This country needs more college graduates to compete with the rest of the world. As I made clear in the post (did you read it?), the DREAM Act wouldn’t prompt “an influx of illegal immigrants.”

blutto

June 18th, 2010
4:09 pm

CYNTHIA: “the DREAM Act wouldn’t prompt “an influx of illegal immigrants.”

Now which is the more important function of government, allowing “ambitious young people” (aka illegal aliens) to go to college or protecting the legal residents of this country from the crime that illegals spread? See the FBI/INS Statistics above for a hint as to the correct response.

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
4:10 pm

“We cannot afford to turn away ambitious young people who want to go to college, either. This country needs more college graduates to compete with the rest of the world.”

By legal means I couldn’t agree more with you Cynthia! Well said, ma’am.

“the DREAM Act”

There’s no need for a new act, law, whatever-the-hell-you-wanna-call-it. There’s already a process in place to become a citizen.

Jimmy62

June 18th, 2010
4:13 pm

I’m fine with them going to school, so long as they pay out of state tuition out of their own pocket.

The US has too many people with college educations, which is why we have so many unemployed people in their 20’s with student loan debt. Many people would be better off becoming apprentices. We have a higher education bubble where college degrees are becoming ever more expensive, and the reward for getting one is shrinking to nothing.

A Lumpkin Resident

June 18th, 2010
4:15 pm

“undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.”

First, you have given absolutely no facts to support this.

Second, admission to a University is not the same as admission to a class. If someone who wants to take Calculus II can’t get into college because an illegal is attending the school, then your statement is patently false.

I do, however, believe that providing a path to citizenship via the military is a GOOD idea. It wasn’t these children’s fault that they are here illegally. However, they should not be able to profit from their parents’ illegal acts. Possibly risking their lives in service to our country would , IMO, be a legitimate path to citizenship.

As far as DREAM goes, all non-citizens MUST pay out of state tuition at ALL U.S. Colleges and Universities. It is not fair that my children can’t go to an out-of-state University without ME paying the out-of-state tuition, yet some illegal immigrant gets a break. If that provision is not in DREAM, then I will not support it.

Kamchak

June 18th, 2010
4:16 pm

Now which is the more important function of government, allowing “ambitious young people” (aka illegal aliens) to go to college or protecting the legal residents of this country from the crime that illegals spread?

See St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun’s 1986 amnesty program for a hint as to the correct response.

T-Town

June 18th, 2010
4:17 pm

Never have I seen so many so willing to give away so much that doesn’t belong to them. I brought my grandson to the US legally and paid to do it. If amnesty is declared, will I be reimbursed for my expenses or will I be SOL because I did it the correct way?

kimmer

June 18th, 2010
4:17 pm

“blutto, Many ar not workers but have committed serious crimes? You have documentation that supports that?”

Every last illegal is in this country in willful violation of the sovereignty of the United States of America. That is a serious crime in my book.

Anyway, so if I read you right you are proposing we educate the smart ones even though they might be taking a spot from a US citizen? Oh yeah, that’s a good idea.

Joe

June 18th, 2010
4:20 pm

All fun and games to the country runs out of money- oh- it has. All fun and games unless you have a friend or love one who has spent years and thousands of $s trying to obtain citizenship- oh I do have a few including a wonderful Hispanic business partner. CT- you are simply absurd and your thought process is simply not a thought process. Kind of like “I personally think it is wrong to pull over those who drink and drive if they are driving well at the time and heading to a meeting”.

By the way- your paper let a “magna cum laude GA State” (kind of like my kid is an honor student at the local elementary school) say that the Arizona law is being led by whites fearful of employment? Further proof that the folks like you are the most rascists folks in the country.

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
4:21 pm

“undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.”

Do you have documentation to support this, Cynthia?

Joe

June 18th, 2010
4:25 pm

Does anyway else catch the idiocy of CT- the “let the smart ones stay”- again, let’s let only the good ones stay- pathetic and very demeaning to the great culture and folks of Mexico that they need goddess CT to guide their path.

cgatlanta

June 18th, 2010
4:27 pm

CT, how about the illegal kids take the slots reserved for African-American’s? You cool with that? If so, I don’t see a problem. If not, how are you to call for someone else to sacrifice?

T-Town

June 18th, 2010
4:27 pm

Questions: if we let the smart ones go to college, can we deport the dumb ones? And who decides who’s smart and who’s not?

Scout

June 18th, 2010
4:29 pm

Cynthia:

You are correct. It would be cheaper to give them a full scholarship to attend a university or college of their choice IN MEXICO and we should even give them a one way ticket there !

Great idea !

ctucker

June 18th, 2010
4:30 pm

cgatlanta, What makes you think their are slots “reserved” for anyone?

jkim

June 18th, 2010
4:31 pm

blutto:

I suggest you start thinking for yourself rather than believe garbage statistics. INS ceased to exist in 2003 and FBI does not track crime statistics based on immigration status. Please validate your source before you start poisoning others with bogus stats.

cgatlanta

June 18th, 2010
4:32 pm

CT; Affirmative Action???

Joe

June 18th, 2010
4:37 pm

Kamchak/Riddler- uh, the country can do both- would you rather walk or chew gum?

How about comprehensive immigration reform and a little less golf-

Halftrack

June 18th, 2010
4:39 pm

CT, why do liberals always want to encourage people to break the law. If you had children would you give your children’s sustenance to outsiders. Citizens are the nation’s children and you don’t give illegal people citizen’s sustenance. What you liberals don’t like about the Arizona law is that it will be enforced. Enforcement is the key element in all this stuff about immigration. The Fed’s have abandoned their responsibility to uphold the Constitution. Our Constitution and the President’s oath of office to uphold it does not give him the right to abandon it. When can a citizen demand his right to not obey a law? We all want to be treated equal with the law breakers and let me choose the law I want to break without repercussions. Anarchy begins with a small thing then mushrooms into a monster. As B. Fife said ” you have to nip it in the bud” to maintain control on all fronts. Control the border first – - – then maybe someone can work out a plan for those already here.

Kamchak

June 18th, 2010
4:41 pm

Kamchak/Riddler- uh, the country can do both- would you rather walk or chew gum?

I was quoting someone else in the first part of my post, sport. The italics should have been your first clue.

Scout

June 18th, 2010
4:42 pm

Halftrack:

Because if liberals don’t like a law that’s what they do. Ever compare liberal vs. conservative marches, demonstrations, rallies, etc. ?

cgatlanta

June 18th, 2010
4:42 pm

CT, I went back and read your post again. Let me get this straight; this is a federal program that if great because it will pay out of state tution for illegal kids? What part of your tiny brain doesn’t understand that it’s my/our money??? No government money is free, it all comes from taxes. You really don’t get it do you?

Dred Zepellin

June 18th, 2010
4:47 pm

Eliminate borders, amnesty for all, cumbayah and namaste to all my brothers and sisters….

Anderson Pooper

June 18th, 2010
4:48 pm

Scout, How ’bout you got out on patrol and stay there….

Scout

June 18th, 2010
4:49 pm

THE UNIVERSITY OF MEXICO ! GO PUMA’S !!

Colors: Blue & Gold
Motto: “The Spirit Will Speak for My Race” (Hummmmm …………….. a little problem there.)

Scout

June 18th, 2010
4:50 pm

Anderson Pooper :

……….. and leave you here all by your little old self ? Nah !

Anderson Pooper

June 18th, 2010
4:59 pm

Scout, U da’ man!

stranger in a strange land

June 18th, 2010
5:01 pm

Yeah blutto – please do not introduce any numbers or statistics that might actually prove your point. We liberals would much rather deal in black and white terms like: dumb, smart, fair, unfair, good, bad, etc. You know…words with precise meaings that no one could possibly argue with.

Scout

June 18th, 2010
5:04 pm

Cynthia:

What do you think about that University of “Meh-Hee-Ko” motto?

“The Spirit Will Speak for My Race” …………….. a little “racist” by your definition ?

stranger in a strange land

June 18th, 2010
5:07 pm

Dred Zeppelin @ 447
1)amen,
2) assume that meant ‘amnesty’
3) (and completely off topic – what a fantastic band!)

Anderson Pooper

June 18th, 2010
5:09 pm

I prefer the Cordon Bleu University motto:”You want fries with that?”….

Union

June 18th, 2010
5:12 pm

they should be allowed to go to school.. even if they have made no contribution to this country.. i also think it should be allowed to beat an illegal with a baseball bat.. i mean why not? if youre gonna break a law.. why not break a few.. its not a bad thing.. mexico is critical of our laws.. so lets do what they do.. then they cant b*tch at us.

blutto

June 18th, 2010
5:21 pm

kimmer: “Anyway, so if I read you right you are proposing we educate the smart ones even though they might be taking a spot from a US citizen?”

You read me wrong. Very wrong. I think you meant to address that to Cynthia.

Anderson Pooper

June 18th, 2010
5:22 pm

Union, Why don’t you stick to what you do best, beating yourself off…

Union

June 18th, 2010
5:29 pm

ahh.. you tried to make a funny.. and failed.. kind of like o’duma** the great community organizer..

roldawg70

June 18th, 2010
5:41 pm

so many are afraid someone going getting something they don’t deserve
there are very few undeserving people
it isn’t these kids fault that their parents brought them here
why punish them for something they had no control of
and until we get serious about focusing on employers
there will always a problem

Sam (The Cool 1 )

June 18th, 2010
5:45 pm

The Cisco Kid and Ponchos’ english wasn’t very good. They were still pretty smart. That has got to tell you something. HELLO!

blutto

June 18th, 2010
5:50 pm

Dear Cynthia,

I hope you read the documentation you requested that supports the view that “many are not workers but have committed serious crimes.” While I doubt that it will have much influence on your opinion, it should at least cause you to consider whether the murders, sex offenses and other felonies are worth the benefit of allowing illegal aliens to cross the border unhindered so that they might attend college in the USA.

Urban Republican

June 18th, 2010
5:53 pm

Ms. Tucker:

Can we first solve the issue of Georgians attending Atlanta Public Schools passing the CRCT test legally without liberal members of the teachers union cheating? We have a whole batch of students ripe for graduating from college right here in the ‘good ole U.S. of A’.

Can liberals solve one problem before suggesting and costing more problems?

Past experience of the last amnesty initiative shows that an “influx of illegal immigrants” will come if the borders are left open and unsecured.

Free stuff is an enticement, being here illegally means they did not pay to get in like legal immingrants.

Mr. Right

June 18th, 2010
6:02 pm

CT why don’t you just quit since you don’t have a clue.

Tom

June 18th, 2010
6:04 pm

Why is nothing done to the US employers hiring the illegals? No jobs, they don’t come to US.

Not Blind

June 18th, 2010
6:07 pm

CT,
The whole country is being negatively affected by the whole unrestrained illegal immigration mess but the segment of people most harmed are the black citizens of our country. White or black, the citizens of this country have been sold out by the ‘elites’. One of the main goals of those favoring unrestricted immigration from our southern border is the marginalization of the black citizens of our country.

Mark in mid-town

June 18th, 2010
6:25 pm

ctucker wrote: “This country needs more college graduates to compete with the rest of the world.”

Actually, this is not true. Increasing numbers of astute people are coming to realize that too many people in the United States are going to college, not too few. And that many if not most would be better off going to a 2 year trade or vocational school as there will be more demand in the future for those such jobs than for the jobs which require a college degree or more. Cynthia, you may not realize this, but it’s irrational these days for American citizens to pursue most IT degrees and many engineering degrees. The reason for that is the massive off-shoring and the importing of H1!B and L1 Visa employees so as to displace American STEM (mostly IT) workers. Most such Americans pursuing these degrees would be better off learning how to be a car mechanic.

Scout

June 18th, 2010
6:43 pm

Hey Folks:

I have a great idea !

Why don’t we give an illegal Cynthia’s job ?

Moderate Line

June 18th, 2010
6:47 pm

Until that happens, Congress ought to concentrate on a few small bills that would represent a modest improvement over the current reality for millions of those without papers — a life of living in the shadows, without legal protections, with continual fear of deportation and little chance for improved circumstances.
+++++
That is what happens when you go to country without permission or commit illegal acts.

Scout

June 18th, 2010
6:48 pm

Cynthia:

Did the 750am news lady ever find that “dark” black man rapist from yesterday?

You know, as opposed to the “pale” white one they weren’t looking for?

Moderate Line

June 18th, 2010
6:49 pm

Much of the fury directed at illegal immigrants feeds off the notion that many of them are unfairly taking advantage of benefits that should be restricted to American citizens. However, that’s not the case with college; undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.
+++++++
Universities have limited funding so technically that is not true.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
6:50 pm

Naturally, the libtard Democrats will want to give criminal illegal aliens in-state tuition or, better yet, free tuition, while working Americans pay full freight.

Why do Democrats hate Americans?

blutto

June 18th, 2010
7:27 pm

jkim: Please validate your source….”

To the extent that any of the information I used is invalid, I stand corrected.

Here are some that appear to be verified. From IBD, March 2005: “”The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003.”

From the Center for Immigration Studies, 2004: “Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That’s a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population.”

From Justice Department statistics, 2000 via Congress: “… over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings.”

And from the GAO (GAO-05-646R), May 9, 2005: “The former Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that as of January 2000 the total unauthorized immigrant population residing in the United States was 7 million. This total includes those who entered the United States illegally and those who entered legally but overstayed their authorized period of stay. A more recent study estimated that there were about 10 million illegal aliens living in the United States as of March 2005.

In our population study of 55,322 illegal aliens, we found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990. They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses. About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. The balance was for such other offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence; fraud–including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and obstruction of justice. Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states–California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.”

Scout

June 18th, 2010
7:51 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout :

They are trying to buy future libeal voters.

We would rather have legal immigrants and try to engage them in our conservative ideas.

Liberals would rather have illegal immigrants and buy them off as they realize they can’t compete in the arena of ideas.

That’s the nuts (Dems.) and bolts (Repubs.) of it.

jim b

June 18th, 2010
8:14 pm

They can go to school, we just don’t want to pay for it!!

There are plenty of smart American kids that can use some help/

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:22 pm

You’re not paying for it jim b. Get a clue moron.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:24 pm

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
3:52 pm
“Not just dumb, heartless.”

I-L-L-E-G-A-L

You need a new talking point Peadawg.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:26 pm

Who’s dumber? Scout or Peadawg? No matter, either way they’re dumb and dumber. Enjoy your 2 demographic party gents. 20 years from now Republicans won’t be able to buy or steal a national election with just angry old white boys and evangelical talibanistas.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:32 pm

Good luck getting legal immigrants to engage in your racist, bigoted, nativist, and ethnocentric “conservative ideas”. I bet all those LEGAL US CITIZEN children are just slobbering all over themselves for the day they vote for the party that wanted to deport their mom and dad. 2nd and 3rd generation children and grandchildren of the people you closet klansmen love to hate will be the very demographic finishes republicans as a national party.

blutto

June 18th, 2010
8:37 pm

GM: “20 years from now Republicans won’t be able to buy or steal a national election”

I’ve been hearing such nonsense for almost 70 years. One might just as logically say that 20 years from now Democrats will all be in jail for trying to buy and steal elections–or for not paying their taxes. On the other hand, 20 years from now we’ll probably not be able to afford elections, the liberals having spent us all into poverty.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
8:44 pm

GM: 20 years from now Republicans won’t be able to buy or steal a national election with just angry old white boys
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Thirty years from now there will be more parasites than the old white boys can support.

Jack

June 18th, 2010
8:45 pm

Dick Durbin’s has no logical proposals of his own: he’s a mouthpiece for Pelosi.

Jack

June 18th, 2010
8:47 pm

Corrections: Dick Durbin. Not Dick Durbin’s.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:48 pm

Fine by me. I hate white people, but I love their tax dollars.

Roberto

June 18th, 2010
8:48 pm

My native born Latino US citizen parents, former Republicans, have vowed to never again vote Republican as long as that party embraces a bogoted, nativist agenda that targets Latinos or any other minority group. In fact in many of the very large gatherings I have attended that sentiment has been embraced by a large number of former Republican Latino voters. For many of them this Arizona fiasco was the tipping point. Get ready. Legal Latino voters in Georgia are organizing to go after you Republicans in state and local elections here in Georgia. They realize that they, US citizens, could actually be detained while proving citizenship for nothing more than being Latino if you nativist go for a law like that here in Georgia. In the future you Republicans are going to have hell to pay when a million Latino voters in this state go after your state and local candidates.

Georgia loses

June 18th, 2010
8:50 pm

So, in theory you have a blockage in your colon and the only way to save your life is by surgery. Your only choice is a doctor who was an illegal immigrant at birth. Would you rather die than allow this doctor to save your life? Bet you dollars to doughnuts you would accept the illegal immigrant doctor. I think I know the answer, saving your life would be the primary concern. Hate because of race, ethincity,social status drives too many of us, that is until its personal. get over your idiotic bigotry driven assessments. You will never stop the march of progress.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:51 pm

To the name stealer. Sorry but I am white. But I do hate racists, bigots, and bullies that just have to have someone to hate to pimp votes from the lowest common denominator among us.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
8:52 pm

Roberto sure seems to have a problem with enforcing immigration laws.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
8:53 pm

I do hate racists, bigots, and bullies that just have to have someone to hate to pimp votes from the lowest common denominator among us.
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I guess you won’t be pulling the lever for Obama in that case.

GM

June 18th, 2010
9:02 pm

Thank you Georgia loses. You nailed it. This whole issue is no more than an effort to exclude future Latino voters rather than trying to sell what has become for Latinos an unsellable Republican party. Instead of becoming inclusive Republicans want to exclude. Unfortunately for them they can’t turn back the clock 50 years. Thank God for that. And btw, why in the hell are Republican candidates for governor arguing overs gays like it’s the most compelling thing going in this country. That’s the kind of crap that is destroying th Republican party. And furthermore, watch Marco Rubio get his azz kicked in Florida. All Republicans care about is a dark ages social agenda that more and more Americans don’t even care about. Does anyone recall that Republican politician that advocated forcing victims of rape and incest to have the baby in a recent forum in Rome, Ga.?

Roberto

June 18th, 2010
9:04 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
8:52 pm
Roberto sure seems to have a problem with enforcing immigration laws.

I have a problem being assumed “illegal” just because I am Latino. What does an “illegal” look like Lil Barry?

Sam Shoemaker

June 18th, 2010
9:07 pm

Yeah Lil Barry. What does an illegal look like. How do we know you’re not illegal Lil Barry? Tell us please. What sets you apart from the almost 1 million US citizen Latinos right here in Georgia?

ACT

June 18th, 2010
9:12 pm

You know the answer to that Sam. But maybe he’ll have the cojones to come right out with it. You have to be the right color to qualify to be profiled or not be profiled.

blutto

June 18th, 2010
9:15 pm

Roberto: “In the future you Republicans are going to have hell to pay when a million Latino voters in this state go after your state and local candidates.”

While the Democrats will try to con Latinos into buying into the victim agenda, I doubt that it will work. As for “… they, US citizens, could actually be detained while proving citizenship for nothing more than being Latino,” you are misinformed. Likewise, you refer to the “Arizona fiasco” which is nothing more than a State copying an existing federal law, the federal failure to enforce the border having prompted its passage.

Dan Moore

June 18th, 2010
9:20 pm

Cynthia you really have a knack for getting the local klan klavern riled with your blogs. It’s tragic that there is still this kind of racism, bigotry, and hate in this state. Fortunately ye old hooded ones like blutto, scout, Lil Barry, and those of their ilk are headed for the margins of society at warp speed. Demographics just don’t give folks like them too much hope does it?

Dan Moore

June 18th, 2010
9:23 pm

blutto, you are blowing BS. If a citizen Latino is picked up he will definately be detained while his citizenship is checked. I guess they just let them go while they run down to the station to check their status huh, dumbazz?

LegalEagle

June 18th, 2010
9:28 pm

Watch how fast that “Arizona fiasco” which is nothing more than a State copying an existing federal law” gets declared unconstutional when the first challenge gets to a federal courtroom blutto.

blutto

June 18th, 2010
9:28 pm

Dan Moore: “Fortunately ye old hooded ones like blutto….”

Listen genius.. When I want to talk to a “Latino” I talk to my grandsons. You and others have spent most of the evening calling everyone who thinks we have a problem with illegal aliens such terms as bigot, racist, dumb,, moron, hater, idiotic and klansmen.

How very liberal of you.

Those of you liberals who claim to speak for Latinos are

YouGottaBeKiddin

June 18th, 2010
9:36 pm

So I guess a US citizen Latino out jogging in his little shorts and a tee shirt, no ID that let’s say….jayruns. Cop stops him for the jayrunning. He’s Latino…fits the profile gets ask for his “proof”. What happens then blutto. Do they just let him stand on the corner and wait while they go downtown to check his status? The honor system? Hell no! He gets detained. Why should a Latino jogger have to strap his ID to his leg and others don’t?

What does an “illegal” even look like blutto. Man up moron. What does one look like? How would a cop determine who gets checked?

blutto

June 18th, 2010
9:37 pm

Dan Moore,

I see that you still only carry childish little names in your purse so I’ll say goodnight. It is probably way past your bedtime, anyway.

Legal Eagle,

Federal Courts may decide that you are right. They may not.

YouGottaBeKiddin

June 18th, 2010
9:38 pm

Man up blutto. What does “illegal” look like. Until you get the guts to answer that question your credibility is zero.

YouGottaBeKiddin

June 18th, 2010
9:40 pm

Goodnight blutto. Take the cowards way out. When the going gets tough go to bed.

In case you are still trolling: What does an “illegal” look like?

blutto

June 18th, 2010
9:42 pm

YouGottaBeKiddin,

Childish names from you too, I see. Go and, rather than your bedtime story, have mommy read you the Arizona law and then get back to me. If you think that police–when stopping anyone for a violation–do not ask for identification, then you need to get out more. Goodnight.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
9:42 pm

Can someone here tell me how a cop will know who’s papers to check? If there is some magic secret formula I’d like to know because right know I don’t know what an illegal looks like. Help please.

joan

June 18th, 2010
9:44 pm

you are a great one to call anyone else dumb. These are illegals and should be barred from coming into this country, and if they are here and don’t have paperwork, they should be sent back where they came from (on their own feet–that is how they got here!). We need to secure the borders. We need jobs, and we need money for our own legal citizenry. We have old, and sick people in homes that can’t get adequate funding. We have children in this country who would like to be able to go to college too, and can’t afford it, and don’t know how to “work” the system like the illegals. Get rid of them and quit crying all over them. You and other liberals will tank this country.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
9:44 pm

blutto, you being such an expert and all. Please tell me what an illegal looks like. I am very confused.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
9:45 pm

Will a white jogger with no ID get hauled down to the station to have his citizenship verified? If not, why?

joan

June 18th, 2010
9:45 pm

In my opinion, a state that is suffering from illegals due to the failure of the federal government to enforce its laws, ought to have the right to defend itself. We have police to defend us from criminals, but if one comes in my home I will pop him. That is self defense. Go Arizona!

joan

June 18th, 2010
9:46 pm

Cindy, common sense better start kicking in in this country or we will be doomed by people like you.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
9:49 pm

What does an illegal look like joan. Why will nobody answer that question. Can me help me joan. In Arizona does a white person with ni ID have to be detained while their citizenship is verified? If not why would anyone be detained. All I want to know is who gets checked and who doesn’t if they can’t show ID. Please tell me.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
9:51 pm

30% of the citizens in Arizona are Latino joan. How do you tell they are not illegal. If a Latino and a White person are both jogging with no ID do both of them get their citizenship checked?

LegalEagle

June 18th, 2010
9:55 pm

Not forcing ALL Arizonans to prove citizenship when without ID is exactly why this law will die in federal court. It is impossible to enforce without profiling and discriminating by race. I bet the 1st US citizen Arizonan that is detained for verification will be a very rich person shortly thereafter.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
10:05 pm

joan

June 18th, 2010
9:46 pm
Cindy, common sense better start kicking in in this country or we will be doomed by people like you.

No joan, it’s people like you that are dooming this country. It’s unAmerican people like you that have no regard for the constitution. People like you would destroy all of the constitutional protections that make us free because you just don’t like certain people.

While you’re at it joan, what common sense? The kind of common sense that dictates brown people need to have their papers checked? Those brown folks are much better people than you. Those brown citizens are just as American as you and have the same constitutional protections as you joan whether you like it or not. And what does an illegal look like joan. Who would your warped idea of common sense dictate that you check. You are the kind of American that is not needed joan. You are so unamerican.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
10:10 pm

Cynthia Tucker PLEASE do a column on what does an illegal look like. Your detractors ran like rabbits when they got pushed on that one. PLEASE Cynthia. It would be hilarious. Their silence on that question speaks volumns doesn’t it?

Mid-South Philosopher

June 18th, 2010
10:14 pm

Isn’t it a shame that neither Georgie nor Barry are MEN enough to have lived up to their respective oaths of office?

What pitiable excuses they are.

The sad part…given that which is out there…there is nothing any better.

Soames

June 18th, 2010
10:23 pm

Cindy,

An illegal comes in shapes, sizes and colors. You are missing the point that when you are approached by a policeman, what is the first thing they ask you for? Your identification. IF you don’t have identification they will ask you your name and DOB so they can try and verify “who” you are. Try reading the bill and pay attention to Article 8b…

Josh

June 18th, 2010
10:23 pm

CT said, “Arizona’s ugly new law.”

CT, you have joined Obama, Hillary, and Holder in not reading the law. You all are making yourself look like fools. All the Arizona law says and is is the federal law! Anyways, Freedom comes with Character and RESPONISBILITY. Both of which the names I have listed lack much of.

justsomefacts

June 18th, 2010
10:30 pm

CT – may I post some text from SB 1070 so Cindy can know what she is talking about?

Thanks

justsomefacts

June 18th, 2010
10:31 pm

As far as Blutto’s comments regarding illegal immigrants who are criminals, there are nearly 500,000 illegal immigrants living in Arizona. Over 241,000 illegal immigrants were apprehended in the Tucson sector ALONE and 1.3 million pounds of marijuana was confiscated…in the Tucson sector ALONE. It’s easy sit in Washington and criticize State’s for trying to protect their people because of the lack of action by the federal government – Republicans & Democrats are BOTH guilty. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, while illegal immigrants make up 9 percent of Arizona’s population, they account for 22 percent of the felonies, constitute 11 percent of the state prison population, while 16.5 percent are sentenced for violent crimes.

morefacts

June 18th, 2010
10:42 pm

Are you ever going to approve my comment with some text directly from the “racist bill” in question CT? Is Big Sista restricting the flow of logic into the blog space or is that a computer glitch every time some facts that make you look silly get posted? Also, are you insisting that the children of illegal immigrants be allowed access to HOPE and some of the other freebies…I mean they are pretty much bleeding us dry. The Democrats are trying to get us ALL on the plantation..workin fo massa!

Keep spinning….

morefacts

June 18th, 2010
10:45 pm

SB 1070 is pretty cut and dry..not a lot of fluff. Easy to understand w/o a college degree…even Peadawg can read it and clearly understand it. Keep insisting that the bill promotes racial profiling…another media sock puppet…blah blah blah

Rodney S.

June 18th, 2010
10:56 pm

How ’bout we work on saving our own state (that seems to be running on empty) before worrying about improving the lives of our illegal residents?

neo-Carlinist

June 18th, 2010
11:07 pm

this is just another example of how illegal immigration is a political issue, and not a “national security” issue. where do the universities play into this? do they not perform “background checks”? do they not confirm “residency” or INS status? this is no different than the employers/corporations that hire undocumented workers. I can’t buy beer at Kroger without a valid ID. do you mean to tell me some state college or university cannot confirm an applicant’s eligibility?

Scout

June 18th, 2010
11:12 pm

“Wee doan neeeed no stinking documenta-cion”

niggress

June 18th, 2010
11:12 pm

throw this bitch in the trash…………….

ken

June 18th, 2010
11:17 pm

How about taking the money that costs to take care of illegals and start a scolarship fund for people that can,t afford to go to college.
Cindy, if you thought illegals and their off spring would vote Republican, you would want a bullet train built to send them back.
Your an easy read.

neo-Carlinist

June 18th, 2010
11:28 pm

I would imagine that most of these state universities have what is called an “Admissions Office”. And in these offices are employees whose job it is (unglamorous as I may appear) to sift through APPLICATIONS FOR ADMISSIONS. once the check clears (what is the application fee these days? back in the 70’s it was like $25 for a state school and $50 for a private school), the next “filter” should be social security number. Not GPA or state of residence, but SSN (to confirm citizenship). if the applicant is not a citizen, does he/she have the necessary (student) visa to attend a school in the United States? if not, I’m sure somebody can draft a polite, “thanks, but your application has been denied” letter. I am sure lots of Americans who apply for construction jobs, or food service jobs, which are filled by undocumented workers, get similar letters. And CT, you have to do better than, “we can’t afford to turn away smart people”. WHY? Intelligence and motivation are subjective and dumb people who are unmotivated enjoy the same rights as highly motivated, smart people. Like it, or not, there are only so many jobs in the workplace and so many spaces in the 2010 Freshman class at State U.

jkim

June 18th, 2010
11:57 pm

Blutto:

On your GAO citing, you fail to mention that the population figure of 55,000 in this study were from people already arrested and not an actual sampling of the immigrant population. In the same report illegal alien population is estimated to be 10 million and the focus is on 55K arrestees so let’s keep these numbers in context. I will not debate each figure you have listed but you are absolutely right in that these criminals have no business being here.

My point is, it is easy to start throwing numbers around and manipulate presentation of data to fit anyone’s view, especially due to the fact that any figures on illegal immigrants are based merely on estimates. Let’s get beyond the notion that ALL illegal immigrants are violent criminals. Let’s have a fair debate without lumping everyone into this group. I think everyone can agree that violent criminals have no business in this country and should be deported.

Paul

June 18th, 2010
11:58 pm

I love how all the amnesty supporters keep pointing out how smart this young man is — because, in reality, they are not willing to deport anyone. The fact that he attends Harvard would only be relevant if you believe that those who are not so intelligent ought to be deported, and of course you don’t not believe that. The Dream Act would be a nightmare, and it will never become law as long as it is so poorly drafted and would allow parents to benefit from their illegal conduct.

MikeB

June 19th, 2010
12:48 am

**”Liberals adore laws that are not on the books but wish to ignore those that are. To liberals the rule of law means never having to obey ones with which you disagree.”**

Blutto re: your post from 3:28pm Friday…………… This is a SPOT ON description of Ms. Tucker, not to mention the the present occupant 1600 PA,Ave. Speaker Pelosi, Sen. Reid ect. ect. Kudo’s for shining a light on Ms. Tucker and folks who trivialize the laws that are presently on the books in our United States via the 2nd post in this blog.

Don’t like the law? Understand…… Go through the process, put in the WORK, and get it changed…. Turning a blind eye, and massaging words till they appear to mean something other than the most accurate/appropriate description of a situation is not an honorable way to effect change in the minds of people. It is subversive and very damaging, but unfortunately something liberals and conservatives engage in. Liberals just have many more platforms/venues to pontificate from…….. Time, Newsweek, NYC Times, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, AJC, Boston Globe, LA Times………. I could go on for days….. Conservatives……. Manchester Union Leader, Fox News, a couple less circulated D.C. papers, WSJ, and talk radio……. I would say the playing field is not level, and thats the way libs like it. I encourage everyone to sort through the “noise” of posts, reports, and discussions like what Ms. Tucker has printed here, and really examine the verbage before forming opinions. Right and wrong unfortunately exist in America people. So do legal and Illegal, no matter how much “Opinion” writers like Ms. Tucker try to marginalize the concept.

Good job Blutto!

Raymond Huffman

June 19th, 2010
12:53 am

No, the facts are that he got admitted to Harvard, and his parents brought him here illegally. The fact he goes to Harvard is relevant because it shows you will deport anybody, even our Ivy leaguers. And all because their parents duped our porous border and bogus immigration laws 20 years ago. Why do you hate children and high achievers?

The line to get into the US is only short when you’re already here. Mexican parents of “anchor babies” have to wait 20 years, and their children can’t petition for them until the children turn 21. But if those parents had their children here illegally, they can never enter the US legally. We are enforcing these laws as best as we can, except against the corporations who hire them. But there are too many people who are not going to wait 20 years for their citizenship papers. So you go secure the border! Maybe you can join the AZ Minutemen or help them build that fence they never finished when Bush was Prez.

NiceDawgDeux

June 19th, 2010
1:03 am

Cindy, it would help if you actually read the law, but then you wouldn’t have anything to say, as it CLEARLY states that they have to be pulled over for a legitimate reason, not just random “who looks like an hispanic, lets check him”. What does a legal look like Cindy?

NiceDawgDeux

June 19th, 2010
1:05 am

Blutto, frustrating dealing with libs who hate facts? It messes with their narrow minds, and pushes the button to yell racisim.

crystal

June 19th, 2010
1:12 am

What is the point of sending these students to college when after they complete college, without a social security number, and legal status, they will not be able to find work in their field.The best thing they can do is to go back to their country of origin and make a life there.

Ayn Rand was right

June 19th, 2010
2:01 am

Cindy…you are an ignorant idiot…if YOU get caught jay-walking, guess what the cops are going to ask you for…if you can’t produce it, you go “downtown” until you can sort out your identity. AZ is matching Federal Laws, which are not being enforced, and the masses are freaking out. The masses should be freaking out that AZ has to enact a law to enforce what the Feds are not.

jj

June 19th, 2010
2:30 am

i would rather give a dumb american a hope scolarship than have 1 illegal student paying double tuition.

bob

June 19th, 2010
2:31 am

cindy – how may illegal students are taking the place of minority students in our universities (dumb or otherwise)

Steve

June 19th, 2010
2:46 am

This has got to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read from this Cynthia Tucker . . .

Rick

June 19th, 2010
5:39 am

“the DREAM Act wouldn’t prompt “an influx of illegal immigrants.”
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Wrong! Their is a legal path to citizenship and they have not chosen that path. We would be rewarding their parents illegal actions and creating another law that would draw additional illegal aliens into the US.

It appears now that Obama has decided to file a lawsuit against the AZ immigration law. This is going to be a mistake as it will galvanize the American public against illegal aliens. It will highlight the complete and utter failure of the Obama administration to secure our borders and reduce illegal immigration. Obama will actually be fighting for the right to continue slapping Americans around on this issue of illegal immigration.

I can not wait to see the public respond to actions that our contrary to the will of the people. It will be the last straw that turns up the heat on illegal immigration and the Obama administration. Just in time to defeat additional Democrats in the upcoming elections!

Cynthiaisanidiot

June 19th, 2010
5:59 am

Let us follow Cynthia’s logic, allow ANYONE and EVERYONE who wants to be in the USA ILLEGALLY, let me repeat that word, ILLEGALLY, access to whatever we have that we have earned or produced through our own efforts to provide for our family. So we are to allow complete and total strangers into our homes to rape our wives, murder our children, steal our food and we are not to defend our RIGHT to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There is a word for that, COMMUNIST. Actually, there’s another word for it: IDIOT. Cynthia, like her father before her, is a dyed-in-the-wool communist and this “newspaper” should be ashamed to have her filth spread.

ILLEGAL, not immigrant. The leftists want us to confuse the two words and ignore our rights. Otherwise, there is no point to this country’s existence, and that is exactly what Cynthia wants to have happen. Shame on her for being such a worthless citizen with her faux compassion.

Vince

June 19th, 2010
6:01 am

The only one that’s “Dumb” is you, Cynthia. Do you even have a freaking clue on civilized life? You people want to live in a lawless society and make the rules up just to serve you and your kind. Please leave……..You are a festering sore that needs cleansing.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 19th, 2010
6:16 am

Roberto: What does an “illegal” look like Lil Barry?
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The vast majority of them look Mexican or Central American. Why do you ask such obvious questions? Do you think everyone is so bullied by politically correct funktards that they won’t acknowledge simple facts?

Poppy

June 19th, 2010
6:20 am

The liberal mind. What a waste.

Rick

June 19th, 2010
6:22 am

The Obama administration is not only failing at securing our borders, it is attempting to stop Arizona from securing it own border with Mexico. It even announces a lawsuit against AZ to citizens of a foreign nation before it informs the governor of Arizona!

Obama and the Democrats continue to put the interests of foreign governments and illegal aliens before the interests of US citizens and legal residents!

Clinton discloses the adminstrations intent to sue on a visit to Ecuador two weeks ago.
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Mrs. Clinton’s disclosure — which came to light after her interview was posted by a political blog, therightscoop.com — quickly became fodder for political campaigns in Arizona. Republicans, led by Ms. Brewer, seized on the notion of a domestic policy decision’s being disclosed on foreign soil.

“This is no way to treat the people of Arizona,” the governor said in a statement. “To learn of this lawsuit through an Ecuadorean interview with the secretary of state is just outrageous. If our own government intends to sue our state to prevent illegal immigration enforcement, the least it can do is inform us before it informs the citizens of another nation.”

Bob

June 19th, 2010
6:32 am

Cynthia, we have people, legal residents, waiting in line to get into UGA, why ley illegals step to the front of the line ?

Kristian

June 19th, 2010
6:36 am

No way do illegals deserve education. That means true blooded AMERICANS will not get that seat. I am tired of all the illegals and the billions eat up. They get health care, government assistance. I have to pay for that. I complain and I am a racist. This country has gotten too comfortable and too afraid to really say what they mean because of a backlash. I want a vote by true Americans only and I bet the illegals will really see they are not wanted here.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 19th, 2010
6:36 am

Bob, before Cynthia can answer that question, she’ll need to know if the law abiding folks waiting to get into UGA vote Democrat or Republican.

Rick

June 19th, 2010
6:36 am

The Georgia board of Regents want to allow illegal aliens to attend Georgia colleges and universites as long as they pay out of state tuition.

Well, some will say that allowing one student like Jessica Colotl will not deny US citizens a seat at a Georgia school. How about 10, or 100, or 1000 illegal aliens students. Where will the Georgia Board of Regents draw the line? Out of state tuition DOES NOT COVER THE COST OF EDUCATING A STUDENT! At best, it can be CALCULATED to cover the proportional immediate yearly costs of running an institution, but not the long term costs of developing a college or university. It also denies US citizens access to that school.

Allowing attendance by illegal aliens would be fair only if ALL students were admitted without regard to GPA’s or abilities would US citizens and Georgians in particular!

Educating illegal aliens at an institution in Georgia only increases the competition for skilled jobs here. Why would legal residents of Georgia want to put their children at any further disadvantage in the JOB MARKET!

Forget the “facts” about the availability of PLENTY OF JOBS FOR SKILLED WORKERS! That is a fallacy that has fallen by the wayside in the global labor market. There is an excess of “educated” labor here in the US. Those jobs have moved to countries with lower wages and standards of living….like Mexico and other Central and South American countries. The same countries who are sending immigrants to the US where they feast on the US welfare state.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 19th, 2010
6:49 am

World Sees Obama as Incompetent and Amateur
By Mortimer B. Zuckerman
Posted June 18, 2010

President Obama came into office as the heir to a great foreign policy legacy enjoyed by every recent U.S. president.

Yet, the Iraq war lingers; Afghanistan continues to be immersed in an endless cycle of tribalism, corruption, and Islamist resurgence; Guantánamo remains open; Iran sees how North Korea toys with Obama and continues its programs to develop nuclear weapons and missiles; Cuba spurns America’s offers of a greater opening; and the Palestinians and Israelis find that it is U.S. policy positions that defer serious negotiations, the direct opposite of what the Obama administration hoped for.

The reviews of Obama’s performance have been disappointing. He has seemed uncomfortable in the role of leading other nations, and often seems to suggest there is nothing special about America’s role in the world. The global community was puzzled over the pictures of Obama bowing to some of the world’s leaders and surprised by his gratuitous criticisms of and apologies for America’s foreign policy under the previous administration of George W. Bush. One Middle East authority, Fouad Ajami, pointed out that Obama seems unaware that it is bad form and even a great moral lapse to speak ill of one’s own tribe while in the lands of others.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 19th, 2010
6:58 am

Cindy: If a Latino and a White person are both jogging with no ID do both of them get their citizenship checked?
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No, idiot, neither of them get their ID checked. Unless one of them is suspected of some criminal offense.

Are you intentionally ignorant of the Arizona law, or just plain ignorant?

Jeff

June 19th, 2010
7:02 am

It seems CT’s phrase of “pay their fair share” doesn’t really apply to everyone. Typical liberal hypocite.

Gordon

June 19th, 2010
7:14 am

Cynthia,

What other laws should we ignore, or only follow when it is convenient? Who gets to decide that?

What they give is what they take away.

June 19th, 2010
7:50 am

GM if things does not change, there will not be any electios. We will have a dictator and a bunch of goons running this country. There will be only two races of people in this country, the few haves, and the slaves. Do not get your hopes up to much, because it is going to happen to you too.

What they give is what they take away.

June 19th, 2010
7:54 am

A mind in a liberal is a big waste of gray matter.

Decatur Taliban

June 19th, 2010
8:11 am

The US government is not serious about this problem and it’s the same with the oil spill in the Gulf. It will take another attack like 9-11 to close the border and control who comes and goes. To do that will require militarizing it and planting mines and barbed wire in the same way as is the case in Korea. The current president and his minions are weak and accommodating; they are perpetuating this outrage and they have the nerve to be crafting a lawsuit against Arizona which is doing the job that the federal government should be doing?! I hope the Supreme Court does the right thing and shows that Arizona’s law is the model to follow.

Rick

June 19th, 2010
8:11 am

If you are in the US illegally, you do not and should not be afforded any rights that are reserved for US citizens. It does not matter if you are a child, young person or adult. illegal is illegal. If you do not want to learn english, do not want to follow the estabilished path to being a citizen, that millions have followed in the past, then go home to your “homeland”. Do not come to my country, protesting and wave a “foreign” flag around. If you are wanting to be here, become a legal citizen and act like an American. All illegals should be deported ASAP, period.

AlG

June 19th, 2010
8:12 am

Hey Cynthia, why stop at letting illegals attend our colleges here? Let’s just go ahead and pay tuition for every kid in every country in the world to go to school anywhere in the world. I’m sure China will lend us the money, and then your Lord Obama can be declared world Regent by all the grateful moochers.

Rick

June 19th, 2010
8:16 am

There should be a state created for the weak minded, bleeding hearts and Cynthia should be made the “Czar” of this state. If she feels so strongly about this, why doesn’t she open her own home up to some of these poor, misunderstood, illegals?

StraitRoad

June 19th, 2010
8:19 am

Ms. Tucker,

Might I suggest a compromise on the subject of illegal immigration and the legality of the Arizona law? If we concede that the law allows for racial profiling and that racial profiling is wrong, will liberals concede that Affirmative Action allows for racial profiling thereby meeting the same standard? I mean no disrespect but this is where liberals lose credibility. If you claim to oppose race-based law, the application of your opposition needs to be consistent.

kayaker 71

June 19th, 2010
8:20 am

Over 60% of Americans overall and over 70% of Arizonans support the Arizona law. The vast majority of Americans are in favor of better border security and stopping the influx of these criminals. So what’s the problem? Bozo, Holder and Tucker are living in some sort of dream land. You liberals keep harping on the fact that Bozo won 52% of the vote….. that, to you is a majority. See above.

Dave from GT

June 19th, 2010
8:20 am

So we don’t have enough smart young people here, with taxpayer parents already?

If Tucker is so convinced that this is the way, then why doesn’t she pony up all of her money to support these young foreign geniuses herself – at a private college, and get them a student visa to attend.?

The only way to shut down liberals like CT is to cut off their source of other peoples’ money. Or…. perhaps with her fearless leader Obama around, the money will be cut off all by itself!

November

June 19th, 2010
8:25 am

no matter what its proponents say — begs for racial profiling.

So Cynthia, now you’re a constitutional lawyer? among other things, such as being “Dumb”. I’ve asked you this question before and I’m gonna ask it again…..”Do you really believe all these words you write or are you just writing them to stir up a hornet’s nest and get paid so you can write some more of this tripe? You need to start looking beyond your color and start looking at the well being of the country that gives you the freedom to espouse this kind of rhetoric.

Mitchel

June 19th, 2010
8:28 am

What’s DUMB is the AJC keeps distributing mindless garbage from Tucker all these years.
Didn’t bother to read what was written.
Seriously, when was the last time this woman has written anything based on facts and the ability for complex thought?
I hope her children aren’t as DUMB as she is.
I don’t know a thing about her family life, but if I were to guess I wouldn’t be surprised if she doesn’t have any family. I guess this because she never shows any understanding of the complexities of family life, general responsibility, accountability, etc. She constantly portrays a simple-minded entitlement mentality in all that she writes. It is no wonder that on so many metrics the AJC is the worst in the country.

david wayne osedach

June 19th, 2010
8:31 am

Excellent article. The 12 million illegal immigrants that are already in this country are here to stay. We have to deal with it the best way we can.

Joe

June 19th, 2010
8:40 am

To my good friend Cindy “Jimmy the Greek Tucker” we should keep the smart ones, the pretty ones, and the athletic ones- you know the ones with that extra calf muscle.

Pennsylvanian

June 19th, 2010
8:44 am

You will never see CT write anything about the link between illegal aliens and crime. The influx of illegal immigrants into Gwinnett county set up the perfect cover for Mexican drug smugglers. You think it is just coincidence that Lawrenceville is a distribution hub? Don’t take my word, ask a cop.
The best info I got from this blog was Granny G. disclosing she and Mr. G. still do the ‘69′. Congratulations Granny G. and Mr. G.!

milcon

June 19th, 2010
8:48 am

Just as Pres Obama and his liberal/progressives call terrorists acts man made disasters, Cynthia Tucker can’t call illegal immigrants ILLEGAL. Their policy recommendations on either issue don’t deserve serious consideration when they are based on deception.

Cedric

June 19th, 2010
8:53 am

Yeah, let’s have smart, educated people here illegally. Way to go! If they’re so smart, let them get legal first.

Betty

June 19th, 2010
8:53 am

The old adage there is two sides to every story. Why should children who were bought to the US illegally be punished? Students that are able to go to college should be allowed to go irrespective of their immigration status. The fact that some illegals commit crimes has nothing to do with students attending college. In most if not all cases once the student has complete college they will remain in the US and can provide a benefit to society.

AnneCole

June 19th, 2010
8:54 am

“committed serious crimes ” ARE YOU SERIOUS? Implying that ALL undocumented workers have commited serious crimes. That is not the case, that is like saying that all african americans are on WIC and on government assistance. Its a horrid stereotype and is NOT the case. Okay, so you suggest them “waiting their turn” to get permits and such. Do you SERIOUSLY think that people WANT TO RISK THEIR LIVES CROSSING THE DESERT just for fun?? Or no. Perhaps they just do it to piss you off. Don’t flatter yourself seriously. Im sure that they do not have the willing desire to taunt death like that girl taking her trip in her boat around the world. If they opportunity to wait in “line” was available don’t you think they’d wait? But its not there. The jobs that they do such as cleaning houses, cutting your neighbors lawn and such are all jobs that MOST WOULD NOT DO. And if you did, you would want a 2 hour break twice a day. People if they are already here might as well have SOME WAY of knowing WHOS HERE in the country instead of being in the dark. The way i see it they’re going to be here regardless, weather it’s by plane or by foot crossing the desert. It sickens me to think of all of the YOUNG kids in jail, naturally born citizens that are more than content working a $7.50 job and have no DESIRE to go to college not taking advantage of the opportunities that they are given. Here’s people that have a genuine aspiration to better themselves and are WILLING to pay out-of school tuition. Some with better grammar then some of our kids. Either way it goes SOMETHING has to be done.

Pablo

June 19th, 2010
9:01 am

Here’s a point of view to consider: “It’s Dumb Not To Deport All Illegal Aliens, Even If They’re Smart”.

HRPufnstuf

June 19th, 2010
9:02 am

Using Cynthia’s logic, it’s dumb not to allow child molesters to teach in schools.
It’s dumb not to allow thieves to run for Congress.
It’s dumb not to allow murderers to carry guns.
It’s dumb not to allow drug abusers to be pharmacists.
Good logic, Cynthia.

Terrie Johnson

June 19th, 2010
9:02 am

I was shocked to hear that illegal people were not only allowed to attend Georgia colleges and universities, but they were allowed to receive financial aid to do so! I personally believe when your mother or father break the law to enter this country, and birth a baby here, the baby should be considered illegal too! How many Americans want to go to college and cannot get financial aid? We have got to stop being dumbed down. Hooray to Arizona for taking a stand for its citizens. Georgia? Texas? Florida? Who else has the courage to stand for what is right. Come here legally or don’t come at all.

johnnybq

June 19th, 2010
9:04 am

That’s sort of like saying ‘he’s got a Porsche, should be OK for him to speed.” Illegal aliens should get no rights whatsoever. Let them get an education in their own country or figure out a way to get here legally. I’m amazed at all of this “common sense approach” from the left. It plain to see that all they see in the illegals is a potential block of votes to pander to.

JB

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

June 19th, 2010
9:04 am

ctucker
June 18th, 2010
3:35 pm

blutto, Many ar not workers but have committed serious crimes? You have documentation that supports that?

@ctucker, define illegal? That’s the issue period. What part do you not understand? So far in the last two days you want a country of gay marriage with illegals and everybody lives for free. Girl put down the crack-pipe!

Billy

June 19th, 2010
9:06 am

So the legislators get bent out of shape when they find one Hispanic student enrolled at Kennesaw. They should come to the colleges, walk through the halls, and look in the classrooms some day. They will find classes that with many foreign students. In many graduate science based classes, foreign students are in the majority.

Pennsylvanian

June 19th, 2010
9:07 am

AnneCole – Too much caffeine this morning? Please explain why the USA should tolerate illegal aliens, when Mexico has zero tolerance for illegal aliens? Can you explain why illegal aliens have so many children they can’t afford? They don’t know where they come from?

Tommy Maddox

June 19th, 2010
9:08 am

Well, there’s that ILLEGAL issue that would need to be addressed first.

Scout

June 19th, 2010
9:12 am

Bob @ 6:32am :

Because it’s not time for Cynthia’s child to try to get into UGA yet. Then her tune will change (unless she has special privileged strings to pull which she probably does).

westbrs

June 19th, 2010
9:14 am

What about now the illegal student who is attending Yale on a scholarship. He was brought to this county when he was 4 ILLEGALLY by his parents. His argument is that since he was “raised” in the US he should be allowed to stay and he did not enter illegally – his parents brought him, he had no choice!!!! Well my take is if he is smart enough to attend YALE he should have been smart enough to apply for citizenship and remain here legally! But once again liberals save another illegal…..the powers that be are allowing him a special circumstance visa to stay here and YALE is backing his attendance and full paid scholarship. Gee my children were born US citizens but they have not been offered a full scholarship to Yale or any other college and all 3 were/are in top 5% of their class…..THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG HERE!!!

Mitchel

June 19th, 2010
9:17 am

Scout -
Cynthia is Black. If she has kids, they are black. UGA has an embarassingly low number of Black students. Hence, if her kids can spell DUMB and want to get into UGA – they will be welcomed (along with the illegals of course).

ERIC

June 19th, 2010
9:24 am

It’s also dumb to keep smart murdering pedophiles out of college, even though they, like her, are felons.
I do agree that, after she completes her sentence here, is deported back to Mexico, after 20 years takes whatever legal means she can to regain entrance, comes here legally, that she should be able to go to any college she can get into (that takes convicted felons).

Rick

June 19th, 2010
9:25 am

The Arizon law offers no more basis for racial profiling then any other law. CT since now you must also be an attorney, you must know what PC, or proable cause. Law Enforcement must have this before they can stop or approach anybody. Something as smal a the license plate light being out gives PC. Once PC is established, then they can legally check driver’s license, vehicle license information as well as the RIGHT to be in this country. This applies to all law, but for some reason you and the rest of main stream media and your lord and master, Obama, fail to ever relate this tid bit of information. Hum, sounds pretty one sided to me.

Rick

June 19th, 2010
9:36 am

What do the Pulitzer Prize and the Nobel Peace Prize have in common? Since CT has a Pulitzer and Obama the Peace Prize, they are both given for doing NOTHING!!!!!!!!

nelsonhoward

June 19th, 2010
9:39 am

There is only one way to be in the U.S. and that is legally with a passport. Now, take HARVARD[YOU MENTIONED IT] has been here since 1756 before the Constitution. I am sure at the establishment of Harvard, it was intended for all, that was before the Contitution. Now, after the Constitutuion, students who are legally in this country should have priority, have we gone “nuts” letting anyone with a high IQ in? You know what happens, when this happens, they take what they have learned back to where ever they are from and the U.S. gets no benefit from it.
I was at the Cornelll campus last October, most of the students were Asian, now they were here legally. Harvard was playing Cornell that Saturday, would Georgia want to cme all the way up to Cornell to play football? I think not, they have an allegiance to the South East Conference, Ivy league is foreign to them, same with hispanics, they have an allegiance elsewhere. Either have a valid passport or student visa or Adios, South of the Border, I love that song.

TGT

June 19th, 2010
9:42 am

It’s dumb for smart kids to be here illegally.

Road Scholar

June 19th, 2010
9:43 am

What irks me is that the Kennesaw student along with many other illegals, not just Mexican, have made NO effort to become legal. Either get a visa or become citizens, but get er’ done. If not get out! They know they are lying! And most are christians, so isn’t this a sin, let alone breaking the law?

During the process of gaining their “papers” the thugs can be revealed . Deport any who do not a least attempt to become legal. This is from a family whose grandfather was an illegal alien, joined the army and became a citizen so that our family could participate in what this country has to offer…legally.

PS Everyone of my grandfather’s children, his grandchildren, and , to date and those of age, his great grandchildren have graduated from college! College was expected…your choice was deciding where to go!

Joe

June 19th, 2010
9:44 am

This article is not even worth my comment. The stupidity is blinding…

Rick

June 19th, 2010
9:48 am

Hopefully, the Georgia Board of Regents will come to their senses and stop pandering to illegal aliens and their advocacy groups and start listening to US citizens and legal residents.

If they don’t we need to find a way to get them removed from their positions!

marcus

June 19th, 2010
9:51 am

there is a legal process here, or has tucker completely lost her mind. if she thinks about everything that every “so called minority” has had to go through here in america then she would not write such lame commentaries. from indians, blacks, and asians, they have had to go through this insane process of validating themselves. now she says that any person who comes here, albeit illegally, should have the same rights and priviledges afforded citizens, i think her weave is too tight. why is she speaking out now? how come she never said anything about the ubjust treatment that the haitians endured all these years because of the racist attitudes of america? if they would have been allowed to enter the country without unfair requirements, then i am sure their would have been plenty who returned home and helped rebuild the hazardous intrastructure of that country. but no, let somebody who comes here and takes the seat of a prospective “citizen” and that is what she considers just. hispanics do not hire minorities, so why should they give up their seats in classrooms in georgia state supported schools to further force then down the economic and education ladder. why should they pay their taxes to educate a collective group who does not support their cause and right to employment and education. the georgia education lottery subsidizes the education of the middle class, but is funded (through their playing) by minorities. why won’t she start a campaign to make sure more “legal” minorities (hispanics, blacks, asians) are allowed admittance at the university of georgia and are given the assistance of the lottery funds to make their dreams come true. tucker has become a writer who know longer does her homework, she’s a joke which is not funny.

Scout

June 19th, 2010
10:00 am

Mitchel: Sorry, I forgot.

Hey …….. check this out. “Omam” Obama is NOT going to be happy !

Headline: “Religious Tension High at California University”

“Hostility between Jewish, Muslim students rises at U.C. Irvine after the school recommends a campus Islamic group be suspended ………….. “

Scout

June 19th, 2010
10:01 am

Excuse me ………. “Imam” Obama

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
10:07 am

Joe

June 19th, 2010
9:44 am

This article is not even worth my comment. The stupidity is blinding…

Yet you have commented 3 times yesterday (4:20pm, 4:25pm, 4:37pm) and two times today (8:40am and 9:44 am).

Teh stoopid—it burns.

Oy.

midtownguy

June 19th, 2010
10:09 am

Personally, being a fellow former resident of Lower Alabama, I hope Cynthia’s little girl attends the University of Alabama! She could follow in Condi Rice’s footsteps.

That aside. I did work with refugees for many years. And I will dare to say, of any identifiable group, those who came here as refugees are the group most angry about our failure to enforce the immigration laws for this particular group of hispanic entrants (as it has been pointed out, those who walk in from south of the border are not immigrants).

Most of those who came as refugees had to flee their country for their lives, lived in camps, many times in tents with poor sanitation, while they filled out all the proper immigration papers, proved their case, then waited their turn for admission (Congress imposes an annual limit on legal refugee immigrants). Now, after all that, they sit and watch as the law is not enforced on those who “walked in”.

commonSensecat

June 19th, 2010
10:10 am

By your logic it would be dumb to keep a smart criminal in jail also. I guess smart people the committed a felony get federal financial aid also. Liberals make no sense. This woman committed a crime by lying about her status, more than once. I agree she should finish school and be deported however Tucker if there were not legal process or way to foreigners to enter the US college system I would agree with you. Illegals are breaking the law and using sympathy and ignorance to further their cause.

Thogwummpy

June 19th, 2010
10:57 am

If they want to go to college, make them pay full price…and pay it themselves. I find it offensive that people like Cynthia want American taxpayers to get stuck with the tab to send these kids (who are NOT our responsibility) to get a higher education for free. I am so sick of working my tail off and following the rules—to pay thru the nose so that those in life who DON’T work for it, DON’T follow the rules, get a free ride…and it infuriates me that the wheels are greased by advocates like Tucker who use our tax money to pretent that they are generous and high minded. No Cynthia, you aren’t. You have the reckless empathy of a kindergartener; and you are NOT charitable when it’s other people’s money being diverted for your causes. Thusly, all liberals are frauds.

Larry

June 19th, 2010
11:02 am

If they weren’t here, we wouldn’t have to have any laws/enforcement against hiring them. Stop them at the border and ship those here back. Come here legally and we will welcome you and you can partake of our country as allowed; come here illegally, we should hunt you down and send you back. It is not that hard if the Feds were serious about it.

NiceDawgDeux

June 19th, 2010
11:06 am

So following the the liberal logic of CT and others, I should rob a bank and give the proceeds to my children and they should be able to keep it. They are benefitting from my act, no problem. WHat is the difference from entering the country illegally and taking US aid be it ANY benefit paid for by legal taxpayers!

Atlantan

June 19th, 2010
11:06 am

I do not have a problem with racial profiling, would expect it when I am visiting another country.

jkim

June 19th, 2010
11:09 am

Road Scholar: have made NO effort to become legal. Either get a visa or become citizens, but get er’ done. If not get out! During the process of gaining their “papers” the thugs can be revealed . Deport any who do not a least attempt to become legal.

If that was an avenue available today with current immigration laws, this discussion would not be necessary. There is NO legal avenue to get right with the law while in the US today. This would be true even if they were married to a US citizen. Most people would be required to leave the country in which case a 10 year bar to re-entry kicks in. 10 years is a long time and even after 10 years it is difficult to gain legal entry since previous illegal presence is held against the applicant.

blutto

June 19th, 2010
11:09 am

jkim: “… any figures on illegal immigrants are based merely on estimates.”

Most of the people in question are not immigrants (”a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence”). They are aliens. The estimates to which you refer are usually based upon known data such as the number of persons in an area confirmed to be there illegally who have been arrested for various crimes. As with most statistical analysis, the estimates reached are not perfect but that in itself does not invalidate them.

tar and feathers party

June 19th, 2010
11:17 am

I don’t consider “soft science” majors to be smart, just slackers by another name. History, Sociology, Political Science – all are worthless majors requiring graduate school to get a decent job. If the lying, cheating illegal had been a math, physics, or chemistry major, I might agree with Cynthia. But not a Political Science major, she reeks of future immigration lawyer.

blutto

June 19th, 2010
11:23 am

Betty: “Why should children who were brought to the US illegally be punished?”

Question # 1: At what age do college age persons cease to become “children”?

Question # 2: Why do liberals think that denying a place in college to someone here illegally is “punishment”?

Gator Joe

June 19th, 2010
11:24 am

Enter your comments here

Gator Joe

June 19th, 2010
11:34 am

Cynthia,
Nothing, short of a brain transplant, would stop the narrow-minded nativism of GA Republicans. Eliminating narrow-mindedness of any kind, requires a willful act of reasoning on the part of the individual, coupled with a desire to not be narrow minded. Of course making access to higher education easier, to anyone, undocumented or otherwise, makes sense, long term it benefits the society as whole, here in GA and elsewhere in the US.

Sethe

June 19th, 2010
11:34 am

Will an American please explain to me the reason why we should allow illegal immigrants to reside in the United States of America without penalty?

While, I do sympathize with their initial plight in their countries of origin (unsanitary living conditions, drug cartels run amok, no jobs, etc.), I do not agree with their tactics.

Why does the United States government continue to ignore its own citizens in favor of another group of people who are noncitizens? And furthermore, why are American citizens INSISTING that we pay for these “disadvantaged” people to live here and use our medical and educational resources for free?!!

This reminds me of Orwell’s “Animal Farm.”

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

Take a guess at which “animal” is “more equal.”

-Frustrated Tax Payer

At The Switch

June 19th, 2010
11:35 am

All of you who seem to think that being in this country illegally is okay, please leave now and take that moron of a president with you.

Rick

June 19th, 2010
11:37 am

jkim June 19th, 2010 11:09 am

LKIM states: If that was an avenue available today with current immigration laws, this discussion would not be necessary. There is NO legal avenue to get right with the law while in the US today.
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There is a legal path to citizenship. They can return to their home countries and apply! Why should they be able to stay in the US while applying for citizenship? Others stay in their home countries!

Are you a racist? Do you believe that the predominantly Hispanic population of illegal aliens are superior to other persons wanting to enter the US legally? Why should Hispanics be treated differently? You are a racist, plain and simple.

US immigration should benefit the US and its citizens, not the foreign national applying for US citizenship!

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
11:41 am

Will an American please explain to me the reason why we should allow illegal immigrants to reside in the United States of America without penalty?

Will you please tell me where this newly found poutrage has been hiding for the past twenty four years? St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun’s amnesty program in 1986 exacerbated an already growing problem. Why is it only now that you are engaging in pearl clutching, hand wringing and couch fainting behavior?

A CONSERVATIVE

June 19th, 2010
11:45 am

Ms. Karl Marx…You are one major reason the Obama-Atlanta-Journal has decline to a small daily paper…..You are way……way tooooo radical for Georgia voters…& you still keep pedding your radical ideas to a smaller audience..LIBERALs do not learn..Liberals do not learn..

blutto

June 19th, 2010
11:47 am

Meanwhile, as we ponder the utility of providing college educations to those here illegally and while BP is accused by our Congress of Inquisitors of not paying claims fast enough, we learn today that the Glorious One’s Administration has a little claims backlog of their own.

From today’s AJC: “Victims of last year’s floods waiting for buyouts from their local governments will have to wait a little longer until federal lawmakers release about $30 million into a disaster relief fund. The funds cannot be released until Congress approves a new appropriations bill for the Federal Emergency Management Agency and it is signed by the president. Terry Lunn, director of the Georgia Emergency Management Agency’s Hazard Mitigation Department, said there is no way of telling when that might happen.

The freeze is stalling buyouts for 119 area properties. In January, local officials submitted applications for FEMA money to buy substantially damaged homes located within the area’s 100-year flood plain.”

GREAT JOB, BARRY!

jkim

June 19th, 2010
11:48 am

Rick:

Your ranting is difficult to understand. I was simply clarifying the facts in response to a previous post. I have no issue with people going back to apply for legal status if there is a fair penalty and shot of returning. As I stated before this is currently not the case. When people say “go back to your country, apply, wait in line” current feasibility of this under existing laws should be considered.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

June 19th, 2010
11:48 am

AZ law mimics unenforced fed law. Declining college attendance by US citizens is a direct product of our dumbed-down public school system – the Dear Leader and his ilk desire a more compliant citizenry. The Dear Leader does need more voters – Democrats tend to abort themselves out of existence much quicker than Republicans. He will have to act quickly before November. One problem for him – many of his cherished future voters are no longer in the country – they have left in search of greener pastures. Is Obamacare enough to get them to come back into the country? Time will tell. The Dear Leader really has no interest in the economy coming back – a down economy creates too many opportunities for him.

Rick

June 19th, 2010
11:49 am

Gator Joe June 19th, 2010 11:34 am states:

“Of course making access to higher education easier, to anyone, undocumented or otherwise, makes sense, long term it benefits the society as whole, here in GA and elsewhere in the US.”
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Please support your contention that we need to subsidize higher education to foreign nationals in our country illegally.

In what high skilled fields do we need additional workers to supplement labor provided by US citizens and legal residents?

If you can identify high skilled fields that needs these additional workers shouldn’t we limit higher education to those fields? We certainly don’t need any more students studying political science or hispanic studies!

Weren’t liberals advancing the notion that illegal aliens should be allowed to stay because we needed more potty cleaners and bean pickers?

What percentage of the illegal alien population would qualify for this higher education benefit?

Sarah Palin

June 19th, 2010
11:50 am

I shoot ilk from my helicopter.

Bill

June 19th, 2010
11:52 am

What if a smart person has committed a felony in this country? Should we say it is silly to send them to jail instead of sending them to college?

Being in the country illegally is – by definition – committing a crime. Why are we allowing it? Why should we support it?

Rick

June 19th, 2010
11:52 am

jkim June 19th, 2010 11:48 am

Rick:

Your ranting is difficult to understand. I was simply clarifying the facts in response to a previous post. I have no issue with people going back to apply for legal status if there is a fair penalty and shot of returning. As I stated before this is currently not the case. When people say “go back to your country, apply, wait in line” current feasibility of this under existing laws should be considered.
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Jkim: as I stated, it was their decision to enter the US illegally. Why do our immigration laws have to benefit the illegal alien population?

Make your case and then justify why Mexico treats its illegal alien population so badly. Shouldn’t your argument apply equally to Mexico and other Central and South American countries?

Sethe

June 19th, 2010
11:58 am

@Kamchak

Pearl clutching? Surely you jest.

Obviously you have some reason to support “illegal immigration.”

Perhaps, you’re one of the big biz guys who hires them and makes gobs of money under the table- or maybe you are one.

I know of very few American citizens who enjoy paying the health benefits, education and God knows what else for people who are breaking the law.

Either way, the people who enter this country ILLEGALLY are breaking laws.

Does that mean that I, as an American citizen, can break laws too without fear of repercussions?

Please enlighten me and inform me why it is ok for these people to break OUR laws. I bet if I headed to their country of origin and broke a couple of laws that I’d be thrown in jail.

A CONSERVATIVE

June 19th, 2010
12:03 pm

CYNTHIA……Remain silent..so people will not know just how DUMB you really…really are..

jkim

June 19th, 2010
12:05 pm

Rick:

For your information, I am not Hispanic and neither is the entire immigrant population, legal or illegal. You are correct, the idea is to advance the debate so it benefits everyone in the US. I personally believe supporting a policy that merely decides to kick out 11 million people without regard to each individual case is inhumane as well as impractical. Now, you don’t have to agree with me but surely there are answers outside of lumping 11 million together as the worst of the human kind.

Rick

June 19th, 2010
12:08 pm

gator joe,
It is your open mindness, thinking that we should, feed, clothe and educate the entire world, on our dime that is running this country broke. Why don’t you join CT and put up your own money and start a private college for ILLEGALS.

blutto

June 19th, 2010
12:09 pm

Gator Joe: “Of course making access to higher education easier, to anyone, undocumented or otherwise, makes sense, long term it benefits the society as whole, here in GA and elsewhere in the US.”

The university educated terrorists certainly would agree. From the UK’s Centre for Social Cohesion: “… a significant number of people convicted of terror offenses or killed in the commission of those offenses are university students or graduates.

In fact, the … non-partisan think-tank (notes that) 26.2 percent of those involved in Islamist related terrorism convictions and attacks between 1999 and 2009 in the U.K. were educated at or above university-degree level.”

jkim

June 19th, 2010
12:12 pm

blutto:

so now your logic is Universities produce terrorists? Where are you going with this?

Timus

June 19th, 2010
12:13 pm

The odds that they will become taxpaying, law abiding citizens is far greater if you let them finish school. Deportation just adds to the number of people who will sneak back in and NOT pay taxes. I know it seems unfair but you have to look at the bigger picture.

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
12:13 pm

Obviously you have some reason to support “illegal immigration.”

Nope. Time to return that crystal ball back to the magic shop where you purchased it sport, for it is clearly defective

Perhaps, you’re one of the big biz guys who hires them and makes gobs of money under the table- or maybe you are one.

Nope, just a carpenter that has been in the construction biz for thirty years that has seen the influx of cheap labor that flooded the market keeping my sub-contracting price down. And no, I have never hired an illegal to work for me.

My question is why now? This is an issue that obviously has your thong in a twist, so why has it taken so long for you to find your voice?

Either way, the people who enter this country ILLEGALLY are breaking laws.

And the people that hire them are equally guilty of breaking laws, yet your pie-hole seems strangely silent on that issue.

Does that mean that I, as an American citizen, can break laws too without fear of repercussions?

No.

Please enlighten me and inform me why it is ok for these people to break OUR laws.

Please enlighten and inform me where I said that it was OK.

Scout

June 19th, 2010
12:17 pm

Folks …………. let’s have good debate here and not call the “threadmaster” names. Nothing accomplished in that.

Rick

June 19th, 2010
12:18 pm

jkim June 19th, 2010 12:05 pm Rick:

For your information, I am not Hispanic and neither is the entire immigrant population, legal or illegal. You are correct, the idea is to advance the debate so it benefits everyone in the US. I personally believe supporting a policy that merely decides to kick out 11 million people without regard to each individual case is inhumane as well as impractical. Now, you don’t have to agree with me but surely there are answers outside of lumping 11 million together as the worst of the human kind.
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Jkim:
I didn’t say you were Hispanic. I did say that the illegal alien population is predominantly Hispanic!

I believe that we need to treat each foreign national applying for US citizenship EQUALLY! That would be treating each one individually to see what they could contribute to the US economy and choosing those that BENEFIT the US economy.

I don’t believe that we should allow illegal aliens who can simply walk across the border to “JUMP THE LINE” while other foreign nationals wait patiently in their home countries. Why should the US immigration system REWARD those who break our laws?

I didn’t say they were the WORST OF HUMANKIND! I am saying that they expect to take advantage of entering the US illegally while other foreign nationals wanting US citizenship RESPECT our laws and wait in the homeland.

Why should US taxpayers be supporting or even ALLOWING foreign nationals in our country illegally?

Do you not respect our immigration laws? Do you advocate for OPEN BORDERS? If not, then as a soveriegn nation the US has every right to enforce their immigration laws and immigration should BENEFIT THE US and its lawful citizens.

I believe that it is more humane to admit starving people in Africa than Mexican citizens. Mexicans may be poor, but they are in much better shape that many African nations. Besides, the overwhelming consideration for US immigration policy is whether or not it benefits the US economy.

blutto

June 19th, 2010
12:23 pm

jkim: “… your logic is Universities produce terrorists?”

Did you read my post and the one to which I responded? Gator wrote that “… making access to higher education easier, to anyone, undocumented or otherwise, makes sense, long term it benefits the society as whole….”

My point is that “making access to higher education easier to ANYONE, UNDOCUMENTED OR OTHERWISE” not only does not “make sense,” it also does not necessarily benefit “society as a whole”, except in the minds of those who think that the urban renewal necessitated by terrorist bombings is a good thing.

Now, is it your position that terrorists do not attend universities or that no university educated persons become terrorists?

jkim

June 19th, 2010
12:25 pm

I believe that we need to treat each foreign national applying for US citizenship EQUALLY! That would be treating each one individually to see what they could contribute to the US economy and choosing those that BENEFIT the US economy.

Rick:

I am in agreement that there should not be open borders and that future illegal migrant flow must be stopped once and for all. What would you do with the 11 million already here? Would you deport them all regardless of their individual situation or would your comment above apply to them so they can present their individual case for staying?

BenFranklin

June 19th, 2010
12:25 pm

We already have a legal process. There are many foreign students here on student visas. There are foreign workers here on work permits and green cards. How is it fair to them that they go through the CURRENT LEGAL process to become students, workers, and/or citizens? They pay a lot of money and file a lot of paperwork to be here legally. I should know. My wife just completed the process to become a citizen. Illegal aliens get NO sympathy in my house.
If these kids want to go to college, they can go back to their country of origin and do it the LEGAL way. Of course they would have to pay out-of-state tuition, which is probably their biggest fear.

Joe

June 19th, 2010
12:28 pm

Cindy- your comments are moronic. Your arguement, which I also heard on the national news, is that police officers are chomping at the bit to arrest everyone hoping to catch an illegal. I will trust your two brain cells will click for you this weekend.

blutto

June 19th, 2010
12:29 pm

Kamchak: “… the people that hire them are equally guilty of breaking laws….”

Agreed and I would contend that the threat to actually enforce the law against such hiring, followed by a few prominent examples, would for the most part solve any illegal alien problems. So why does the Obama Administration not enforce the law?

dahreese

June 19th, 2010
12:30 pm

Ms. Tucker, the issue is bigger than racial profiling. There is also the ability of this country (as well as the willingness) to handle millions of illegals (by whatever ethnic persuasion) on our roads, our hospitals, our schools, our infrastructure in general. There is also the serious issue of the physical health of the country – those who enter illegally without proper immunizations, for example.

Yes, “a mind is an awful thing to waste”, but there has to be a line somewhere.

Thanks for all the good that you do.

jkim

June 19th, 2010
12:30 pm

My point is that “making access to higher education easier to ANYONE, UNDOCUMENTED OR OTHERWISE” not only does not “make sense,” it also does not necessarily benefit “society as a whole”,

blutto:

I understand the point you are trying to make but I still don’t understand how your previous post about terrorists supports your argument above. It simply refers to me as “some terrorists attend universities” which has no significant correlation.

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
12:33 pm

Joe

June 19th, 2010
9:44 am

This article is not even worth my comment. The stupidity is blinding…

Joe

June 19th, 2010
12:28 pm

Cindy- your comments are moronic. Your arguement[sic], which I also heard on the national news, is that police officers are chomping at the bit to arrest everyone hoping to catch an illegal. I will trust your two brain cells will click for you this weekend.

Sixth comment…

UsmcDawg

June 19th, 2010
12:35 pm

No Cynthia. It is Dumb to be intellectually dishonest-like you are- and not acknowledge the difference between “right & wrong”. Kick these ILLEGAL people out of our country. They BROKE the law and should not benefit.
You are so dishonest!

Sethe

June 19th, 2010
12:35 pm

@Kamchak

You obviously missed my point by several light years.

Ever since I became aware of the burgeoning numbers of illegals in the country and the FACT that our country is supporting them- I’ve been upset about it. Our country has plenty of people who need assistance- why not start at home?

Can you honestly convince yourself that any other country would allow what we as a country are doing now?

My “pie hole” was not intentionally silent. I do not agree with people hiring illegals just to make a buck. That was mentioned in one of my earlier posts. In my book, it is unethical to take advantage of any people in sticky situations (being here illegally) and there have been quite a few people practicing this illegal act.

They should be jailed/fined too.

From the tone of your earlier posts, you seem to support “illegal immigration”- which, in my mind, constitutes law breaking.

Ah, the joys of venting on a Saturday afternoon.

mottbish

June 19th, 2010
12:38 pm

Of the oft statistics reporting all of the illegal alien crime from CaPolitical News; far as I can tell they are made up, a fiction, lies. Taken directly from the FBI crime stats:

“Among the four categories of race reflected in UCR arrest data, 69.7 percent of persons arrested were white, 58.5 percent of persons arrested for violent crime were white, and 68.2 percent of persons arrested for property crime were white.”

And I thought all crime in the US was from illegals. Who’d of thunk?

Sethe

June 19th, 2010
12:39 pm

The issue of legality, in terms of citizenship, is obviously a hot button.

Instead of B&M-ing about it- what can we do to change it?

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
12:41 pm

Agreed and I would contend that the threat to actually enforce the law against such hiring, followed by a few prominent examples, would for the most part solve any illegal alien problems.

Because the only punishment meted out are fines. Unless and until employers are forced to do the perp walk to prison, paying fines is still cheaper than hiring U.S. citizens.

BTW, our hostess has written an op-ed piece advocating this very thing some 2 or 3 years ago, but as it was before she started this blog, I don’t know if it is archived in the musty basement of the AJC’s files.

So why does the Obama Administration not enforce the law?

Dunno. Why didn’t Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, or Bush Jr.?

Rick

June 19th, 2010
12:43 pm

jkim

June 19th, 2010
12:25 pm
I believe that we need to treat each foreign national applying for US citizenship EQUALLY! That would be treating each one individually to see what they could contribute to the US economy and choosing those that BENEFIT the US economy.

Rick:

I am in agreement that there should not be open borders and that future illegal migrant flow must be stopped once and for all. What would you do with the 11 million already here? Would you deport them all regardless of their individual situation or would your comment above apply to them so they can present their individual case for staying?
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Jkim: I want all foreign nationals to be treated EQUALLY! That means that all foreign nationals should be evaluated for US citizenship while they WAIT IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES!

Would allowing those here illegally to stay while others wait in the home countries be treating all foriegn nationals EQUALLY?

I’ll answer that for you. Of course it would not be equal treatment! Therefore all illegal aliens must return to their home countries before they are put on a path to US citizenship.

joan

June 19th, 2010
12:44 pm

You are all missing the point. A lot of illegals have social security numbers. They are not their own of course. And yes, I stand by my “throw them out”. Look what being tolerant has done for Europe. Did you see the muslims spitting on English soldiers just back from Iraq. Let’s be tolerant until we are totally drained dry, and spat upon. If you believe the Mexicans or the muslims will treat Americans nearly as decently as we have treated them you are just putting your head in the sand.

Scout

June 19th, 2010
12:48 pm

Joan:

“Remember the Alamo” !!

blutto

June 19th, 2010
12:56 pm

jkim: “… some terrorists attend universities” which has no significant correlation.”

I agree. Mine was not an attempt to establish a correlation between university attendance and terrorism. Rather it was an attempt to show that the higher education of some does not necessarily “benefit society as a whole” as Gator Joe maintained.

Sethe

June 19th, 2010
1:01 pm

“You are all missing the point. A lot of illegals have social security numbers. They are not their own of course. And yes, I stand by my “throw them out”. Look what being tolerant has done for Europe. Did you see the muslims spitting on English soldiers just back from Iraq. Let’s be tolerant until we are totally drained dry, and spat upon. If you believe the Mexicans or the muslims will treat Americans nearly as decently as we have treated them you are just putting your head in the sand.”

Joan-

I think there are several people here who have similar sentiments.

It is unfortunate that there are people housed in this country illegally who profit from the swelled government teat (I didn’t even mention the U.S. citizens who do it- we’re just as guilty). And there probably are a few illegal immigrants who are decent and hardworking, i.e. they don’t follow the stereotype of gun-toting criminals… however, they’re still breaking the law.

I remember reading somewhere that, in their minds, they don’t comprehend how they’re breaking the law. They see free medical care, schools, cheap housing, employment- all of the opportunities they apparently do not have in their countries of origin. Yes, I can sympathize, but I do not condone breaking the U.S. law just because you had a hard life before coming to the U.S.

I’m all about treating people fairly. Unfortunately, a lot of the opposition to illegal deportation views the “deporters” as fascists, racists, etc. which makes it hard to have any semblance of a rational conversation.

I may have misinterpreted a few statements earlier and my apologies for that.

I do stand by enforcing the U.S. immigration laws (and all other laws).

My question still remains unanswered: Why are so many people against it?- and what can we do to change the situation?

blutto

June 19th, 2010
1:01 pm

Kamchak: “Why didn’t Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, or Bush Jr.?”

I “dunno” either. But the current president has the power now and the former ones do not. Both responsibility and authority now belong to him.

Scout

June 19th, 2010
1:05 pm

Kamchak:

If you remember, I used to rake Bush W. over the coals for that. It was one of my biggest disappointments in him ………….. that and his allowing Rumsfield to run loose over the generals.

I call ‘em like I see ‘em.

Now it’s Obama’s turn …………..

Eric

June 19th, 2010
1:17 pm

“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it.”

Frederic Bastiat

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
1:58 pm

My question still remains unanswered: Why are so many people against it?- and what can we do to change the situation?

As does mine—why is it, 24 years after Reagan’s amnesty, are people only now doing the couch fainting thing?

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

June 19th, 2010
2:02 pm

Back to the ultra liberal leanings I see. If they are here ILLEGALLY they are breaking a law. Why should taxpayers fund/reward them? Cynthia it’s time for more of that LA Gulf kool aide, enjoy!

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
2:03 pm

But the current president has the power now and the former ones do not. Both responsibility and authority now belong to him.

Yep– and you are taking him to task for it, yet letting the others skate for 24 years.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

June 19th, 2010
2:06 pm

Kamchak – skate or not, there’s nothing the past Presidents can do now.
Yet, the LIAR in Chief can. That is if he had the balls.

Sethe

June 19th, 2010
2:08 pm

“My question still remains unanswered: Why are so many people against it?- and what can we do to change the situation?

As does mine—why is it, 24 years after Reagan’s amnesty, are people only now doing the couch fainting thing?”

I don’t know the answer to that one. Well, I think the media has a hand in it. If it doesn’t generate viewers, then it’s not on the news. I think that, at the time, many people were ignorant of the event or of its ramifications. Back in the 80’s people were too preoccupied with the end of the cold war and MTV.

Now, in the year 2010, to say that “illegal immigration” is a hot topic is like saying, “Gee. The sky is blue.”

I think that 9 out of 10 people hold some strong emotions regarding the topic. Its made the news. People know about it and now some people are directly affected by it.

I also believe that in this decade more people are profiting from it… take for example news journalists.

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
2:24 pm

Cynthia it’s time for more of that LA Gulf kool aide…

I think that to “level the playing field,” we’ll have to “cast a wider net,” but “the scenery only changes for the lead dog.” I say we “run it up the flagpole and see who salutes it,” but it may be “like putting lipstick on a pig.” “At the end of the day,” and if “we have the bandwidth,” we should “take it to the next level” with “seamless integration.” It’s time to “think outside the box,” and while that may be “directionally correct,” “the bottom line is, I’m “in the trenches with you.” “The way forward is” always “where the rubber meets the road,” and “rule number one is: don’t tease the panther.”

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
2:31 pm

…skate or not, there’s nothing the past Presidents can do now.

Ah yes, the ol’ crap-all-over-everything-for-the-past-24-years-then-complain-about-the-clean-up strategy.

How’s that personal responsibility thingie goin’ for ya.

You betcha! :wink:

T-Town

June 19th, 2010
2:36 pm

Ahhh Mr. Kamchak, I see we’re as condescending as ever. So “sport” I know your “not here to entertain me” as I may be your “leg humpper,” but if you’d like to tell me to “fyt” I’ll do my best. Now for the last 24 years of the same ole crap, those guys were very bad men. Feel better now?

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
2:42 pm

Now for the last 24 years of the same ole crap, those guys were very bad men. Feel better now?

You’re a day late and a dollar short.

T-Town

June 19th, 2010
2:48 pm

Nope, I’ve been bitching about our elected officials since JFK. Was young and full of myself with Eisenhower. Politicians are brought and paid for, then we elect them. Can’t cry and try to change the past, can only worry about the future.

killerJ

June 19th, 2010
2:53 pm

you aint lost your job yet?

Georgian

June 19th, 2010
3:20 pm

Thank you Cynthia. Again, it is not a matter of IF immigration reform will happen, but a simple matter of WHEN. We should be encouraged by the sheer determination and talent that these students have overcome and still manage to succeed and earn their way into colleges and universities. Thank you for pointing this out. What we need in this country is a more educated labor pool and these students represent the best of us. Yes, the DREAM Act should be passed too.

It's Not Racist To Apply the Rules

June 19th, 2010
3:55 pm

You know what else is stupid, Cynthia? Requiring my friend Steffen from Germany to sit on a 12 year waiting list for a visa to live and work in America, when he speaks English better than most Americans, has an advanced degree in accounting, and wants nothing more than to share and contribute to the American Dream.

You lobby to let in the illegals if they’re “smart”. Why not lobby to expedite the entry of other QUALIFIED nationals to our country? This faux compassion for hispanics is disgusting and frankly racist to me.

DawgDad

June 19th, 2010
4:03 pm

” Incredibly, a majority supports Arizona’s ugly new law, which — no matter what its proponents say — begs for racial profiling.”

This is where I stopped reading. Cynthia. If you want to try to get your point across you should try not insulting the intelligence of the people you’re trying to convince.

“Incredibly”? If this surprises you, Cynthia, you are WAY out of step with mainstream America. No surprise there.

“no matter what its proponents say”. The Almighty Tucker hath spoken. There is no need for us mainstream Americans to think for ourselves; why, our carefully considered ideas and positions could ONLY be divisive racial hatred in the minds of your exalted elitist leftists, right?

Stop for a moment Cynthia. You position supports lawless criminality, over the wishes and security NEEDS of the American people. I know clearly where I stand, “no matter what my opponents think”.

Al Burns

June 19th, 2010
4:04 pm

An illegal kid in collage take a spot away from an American Citizen at that collage. Illegals broke the law to get in this country. What happened to the rule of law? Or would you rather have Majority rules?

Wanda

June 19th, 2010
4:23 pm

Maybe we should troll the world looking for smart kids…we could bring them to the US illegally and educate them at public expense. Now that would be smart. Right?

Tommy Maddox

June 19th, 2010
4:25 pm

Was it Pres. Bush or Reagan who was at fault regarding Apollo 13? I just can’t remember.

Hey Obama – enforce the law and quit hiding behind “past administrations”.

It's Not Racist To Apply the Rules

June 19th, 2010
4:27 pm

My mother is a German national, has lived in the United States since 1957, married a Korean veteran, raised two American children, learned the language, worked gainfully and paid taxes for over 50 years. In 2007, her father in Germany fell ill and passed away. My mother was the executor of his estate. She overstayed her visa allowance by 2 months. Upon re-entry to the U.S., she was placed on the next plane back to Germany. 2 and a half years and several thousand dollars later, she was given a new resident alien card. Too bad my father passed away after weeks in the hospital in the meantime.

EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAWS. Let in illegals, glamorize and sympathize for them, fine. But at least admit that it is a disparate and inequitable treatment of foreigners in America. What makes the Hispanic more acceptable as an American via illegals means as opposed to, say, an Italian national? The fact that we share a border and illegal access is that much easier? Pretty lame, Cynthia.

Steve

June 19th, 2010
4:30 pm

Cynthia: Just because someone does not go to college does not mean that they cannot be a vauled part of the workforce. What about tech. schools, vocational, community colleges? Did you not see the blog on for profit colleges the other day. Are you so wholly fooled into thinking only a 4 year degree from a prestigious university is the only thing that can provide a person with a good income? Not everyone can nor wants to go to college you know. I know i’m veering off the subject here but its something that needs to be said in response to some things in your article.

Bob SInger

June 19th, 2010
4:58 pm

Based on your arguments, I should rob a bank, use the money to start a business that helps thousands of people, and then be forgiven for the bank robbery because of my contributions to society.

Orange10

June 19th, 2010
5:16 pm

The only US education an illegal should be guaranteed is picking up trash 101 at the US/Mexico border before they are shown the exit only door back to their country of origin.

Bob LeBlah

June 19th, 2010
5:45 pm

The question then is, how are you going to seperate dumb kids from smart ones.. The gain we get from the smart ones doesn’t exceed the cost of the non-doers. By the way, they’re not paying taxes either, so the only thing we get is the possible chance they may become productive parts of society.

Gracie

June 19th, 2010
5:50 pm

I’m so sick of hearing about profiling. If the police received a tip that the kidnapper left in a red car, would it be profiling to stop red cars? Or should the police spend their time pulling over blue and yellow cars too? I am sick and tired of being taxed to death to support people who are scofflaws.

catlady

June 19th, 2010
6:19 pm

I DO think we have a chance at comprehensive reform, just not in the way you are thinking, Ms. Tucker. We could reform our current policy, which generally is “anything goes, if you can get away with it.”

Now, I work with many, many children of illegal aliens. 90% of the ELLs at my school were born here, so they are citizens (that could be addressed by clarifying the interpretation of the amendment to read that the mother must be here legally). Most of the children’s parents are NOT here legally. (And, I might add, the teachers at my school LIKE to have these kids in their classrooms. They work hard and their parents want them to do well. They are disproportionately represented on honor roll, behavior honors, and perfect attendance.

Surely, other than life itself, American citizenship is one of the most valuable commodities on Earth! Right now, we are allowing the thieves to keep the money they have stolen from the bank!

What could we do? Seal the borders. Fine and imprison employers. Develop something better than Everify, which just matches names and SS numbers (not names to actual people’s faces). Provide a “pathway” if the following conditions can be proved: The person arrived in the US before 2000 (pick a year) and can prove the following 1)they have never been in trouble with the law, 2) their children have been in school and out of trouble, 3)they have never taken welfare, medicaid, etc (and if they have it must be paid back completely upon filing for immigration consideration), 4) they must demonstrate competency in English (written, spoken, reading, listening) (the ACCESS test comes to mind, but we estimate it would show non-proficiency for about 30% of our “local” kids!) in order to apply for consideration, 5) they pay a fine for illegal entry and each year of living here, paid upon application for consideration, 6) they keep ICE informed of their whereabouts (not doing so means losing any hope of being considered), and 7) they have a skill needed (even picking onions is a skill). Exceptions would be made, and consideration immediately given for those who can show they have satisfactorily served in the US armed forces, or that they have attained a post-secondary degree from an accredited institution.

The time limit should be very finite (like 3 months), and we should strive to do our end of it and get an answer back that quickly, but it is up to the individual to prove they are worthy of citizenship. We might say if you meet these conditions, it’s first come, first served to encourage people to get signed up.

We should seek every opportunity to identify those here illegally and deport them if they have not registered for consideration. And we should withhold the cost of their deportation, etc, from the aid we give their home country. What about their American-born children? The parents can decide that, as they are the ones who put the child in that position.

THAT’s what I would like to see in comprehensive immigration reform!

kevinbgoode

June 19th, 2010
6:29 pm

My gosh – con-artist con-servatives sure know how to jump to conclusions. I noticed none of them mentioned any “illegal immigrant” coming from more than one part of the world. It’s as if an estimated 50,000 Irish nationals don’t exist in this country.

Of course, I also wonder how many of those conservatives could produce “papers” which can show their own ancestors came here legally.

Frankly, I think the problem of illegal immigration will take care of itself fairly soon. If the Right ever takes over the entire country, the problem with securing the borders will more likely be to keep people from getting out, rather than worry about them coming in any longer. Besides, it runs against conservative philosophy to encourage a good education for all – America only needs a few thousand elite conservatives to dictate policy and morality to the “small people,” institute their dominionist “religion”, create wealth by instituting more “convenience fees” and hyping television evangelists, and remind Americans that our patriotic duty is to take lower wages and pay higher duties to insurance companies and banks.

kevinbgoode

June 19th, 2010
6:32 pm

Moreover, I often wonder how conservatives are going to cope with the conflict between their “life begins at conception” views and babies born in America to immigrant parents? If we change current laws regarding citizenship of a fetus, why won’t the illegals claim that they became impregnated in the United States and therefore that child is an automatic citizen?

kevinbgoode

June 19th, 2010
6:35 pm

catlady – “they must demonstrate competency in English (written, spoken, reading, listening) (the ACCESS test comes to mind, but we estimate it would show non-proficiency for about 30% of our “local” kids!”
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All I have to do is read a lot of the Tea Party signs at demonstrations and see that a lot of so-called “American” citizens don’t have any proficiency in use of the English language.

Bill

June 19th, 2010
6:39 pm

The liberal progressives and Obama want to make working, taxpaying American citizens to pay for EVERYBODY! They’re INSANE. America is almost bankrupt and can’t afford to continue to pay for the illegal immigrants. The illegals are breaking the law (overlooked by Miss Cynthia) and should all return to their legal countries. Then legal Americans can start paying off our debt before it’s too late.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

June 19th, 2010
7:07 pm

Cynthia, you deleted my last post. What could I have possibly said to make you so mad?

lynnbo

June 19th, 2010
7:38 pm

If an illegal worker leaves Georgia to go to a place he can legally work, why pay for his college?
We will only force them into underground or forge documents and Id or a life of crime.
Makes no sense.
If you are latino you should vote for Republicans as they have been good to imported labor for their profit. Dems will just enslave your children in mind and taxation. Not much of a choice.

What's Important

June 19th, 2010
7:42 pm

Every college has a finite number of openings. For every illegal who takes one of those openings, a United States citizen is being denied the ability to go to that college. Tell me how that benefits this country Cynthia.

Scout

June 19th, 2010
7:49 pm

Orange10 :

Have you seen those photos of the trash left along our border? Where is the outcry?

I would have illegal male adults on a chain gang picking all of that up before they were deported.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

June 19th, 2010
7:49 pm

Off the subject, but do you really expect the BP chief to not have a life outside the oil spill? Where was the outrage when NObama spent the eveing with Paul McCartney?

Scout

June 19th, 2010
7:57 pm

Headline : Officials: Harvard Student Will Not Be Deported. Undocumented Harvard student detained at airport won’t be deported to Mexico”

Special treatment ………. shouldn’t happen. He is no better than someone moving a lawn for a living. Whatever happened to “equal treatment” under illegal immigration laws ?

Scout

June 19th, 2010
8:18 pm

Cynthia:

Don’t sports teams in the Atlanta area lose players and or games won when someone proves a student athlete was attending a certain school but actully living falsely with grandparents or under a false address, when they should have been going to a school in their proper district?

We do that to them but allow these illegal immigrants to run wild? The University of Mexico is a FINE institution and has plenty of openings …………… and they speak Spanish down there.

Red November

June 19th, 2010
8:19 pm

Once again Cindy never fails to let down the mindlessness of liberalism. Arizona is doing nothing but attempting to enforce THE FEDERAL LAW of immigration. Have you ever noticed the bedwetters on the left never mention that? And the fact that her hero, the Incompetent In Chief, is looking into suing Arizona is icing on the cake.

Let’s just sit back and watch liberalism and its mentality implode into the vault of history come November.

How many of you people knew that “Ream” Emanuel was fined this year for not paying his property taxes- three months in arrears? Typical liberal: rob from others to pay their constituents through income redistribution and then fail to pay their own taxes. Got Rangel?

Scout

June 19th, 2010
8:19 pm

kevinbgoode :

Not if you word the law properly. Many countries around the world have just the same thing.

Scout

June 19th, 2010
8:25 pm

Cynthia:

You sure are ignoring our questions this weekend …………… check in once in awhile. We help ensure you salary.

Art B.

June 19th, 2010
8:30 pm

Cynthia conveniently forgets (or is she just dumb?) that the US is a country just like Mexico. We have immigration laws for a reason. Taxpayers finance public education and the military. Regardless of what the illegal immigrants do, their allegiance is to their native country. Just go to the money wiring businesses on Friday afternoon to see where the money flows. Giving aliens a government-sponsored education or a job in the military is a double Whammy for US citizens who are rightfully entitled to such benefits by fvirtue of their citizenship.

Red November

June 19th, 2010
8:30 pm

Kevinbbad takes the cake:

“My gosh – con-artist con-servatives sure know how to jump to conclusions. I noticed none of them mentioned any “illegal immigrant” coming from more than one part of the world. It’s as if an estimated 50,000 Irish nationals don’t exist in this country.”

Last time I checked, it wasn’t the Irish on the southern border of Arizona crossing illegally and doing such things as shooting at border patrol officers and smuggling drugs (it is yet to be known if terrorists have crossed in the same fashion – don’t look to liberals securing America).

“Of course, I also wonder how many of those conservatives could produce “papers” which can show their own ancestors came here legally.”

That’s so last century. We are living in the present, liberal. By the by, did you know Native Americans weren’t “native” to America? They came across the Alaskan pass from Asia during the last ice age. Ever wonder why they have Asian characteristics?

“Frankly, I think the problem of illegal immigration will take care of itself fairly soon. If the Right ever takes over the entire country”…
The left has taken over the entire country. America doesn’t like that “change” so much.

…”the problem with securing the borders will more likely be to keep people from getting out, rather than worry about them coming in any longer.”

Most idiotic and mindless post I think I’ve ever read. So “neocons” (or whatever you liberals call the Right) are going to be the modern East Germans.

“Besides, it runs against conservative philosophy to encourage a good education for all –”

^^That, from a liberal who probably whines about the right to private education where kids are not indoctrinated into liberalism and forced to sing songs praising Obama.

“America only needs a few thousand elite conservatives to dictate policy and morality to the “small people,”..”

Funny. The liberals in Washington have always been for the “little guy” and nobody ever said a word.

“…institute their dominionist “religion”, create wealth by instituting more “convenience fees” and hyping television evangelists, and remind Americans that our patriotic duty is to take lower wages and pay higher duties to insurance companies and banks.”

Work = pay. Simple concept that’s been around for thousands of years. The more you work and harder you yearn to succeed, the more you are rewarded. Of course, the mentality of liberalism doesn’t see it that way. Liberals see those who earn more than others must have somehow stolen from the poor and working class.

Liberalism is just too mindlessly easy.

catlady

June 19th, 2010
8:32 pm

Amen, Kevinbgood @6:35! The louder they are, the stupider their mistakes look.

BTW, we have a number of teachers at our school, some with master’s degrees, who say, “I have not went to the store” and “He had did it,” including our speech/language pathologist! She also said, “There’s no sense working with those people (Latinos) because they don’t speak their own language correctly.” I am not kidding!

Red November

June 19th, 2010
8:35 pm

The Regular Guys had a priceless moment interviewing idiot liberal BP protesters in Altanta this week. My favorite moment”

Interviewer: “So you hate Big Oil – what are you doing to rid yourself of it?”

Protester: “Riding my bike.”

Interviewer: “Your bicycle tires are made of petroleum – did you know that?”

Protester: “I’ll buy used tires next time.”

Kid you not.

T-Town

June 19th, 2010
8:45 pm

I have a better one for you. A resident of California took an ad out in a California newspaper criticizing hunters residing in the state for killing beautiful animals telling them to “quit the killing and start getting their meat at the grocery stores where they make it fresh daily.” Go figure.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 19th, 2010
8:49 pm

Remember back when this would have been a big news story and all the Democrats would have been up in arms?

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WASHINGTON — Fighting homegrown terrorism by monitoring Internet communications is a civil liberties trade-off the U.S. government must make to beef up national security, the nation’s homeland security chief said Friday.

ken

June 19th, 2010
9:49 pm

Many smart kids do not have common sense. Some grow up and write for the AJC.

Joe

June 19th, 2010
10:12 pm

Kamchak:

Are you stuck on stupid flapjack??? I only commented on this article once just to say how stupid it was…

stw

June 19th, 2010
10:21 pm

CT: So all “smart” illegals who want to improve themselves and their countries should just come on over and we’ll pay for them and stop “not so smart” citizens from going to college so the illegals can make Cynthia happy…

stw

June 19th, 2010
10:27 pm

All peoples who are in this country via a legal document, green card, visa, etc are REQUIRED to carry these papers with them at all times. If a citizen cannot show some proof when stopped because of committing some violation then they also must show proof or go to jail. When someone close to you is robbed, killed, etc. by an illegal then I’m sure you’ll change your tune…Stop giving automatic citizenship to the babies of illegals and 50% of our problem will cease to exist…That amendmen was passed for blacks and Indians…not illegals..

Redneck

June 19th, 2010
10:28 pm

So, why aren’t we shooting them as they run across the border? Makes sense to me.

It’s a silent invasion.

Kamchak

June 19th, 2010
11:33 pm

I only commented on this article once just to say how stupid it was…

Must be another Joe. Maybe you could use Josephine so as to avoid confusion.

Ron

June 20th, 2010
12:01 am

Cynthia, please go to hell.

javier

June 20th, 2010
1:55 am

Blutto and Peadawg .. Im sorry but you guys are incredibly ignorant .. im telling you this cuz i personally know from experience.. i have many many many illegal immigrants who have studied with me here in high school and have had to spend nights in jail because they are driving withut a license to drive.. my best friend was brought here since the age of 4 and had no idea watsoever he was being brought here.. he grew up and went to school and hung out and played sports like any of us would.. juss think of any of your normal friends.. it just so happened wen he went to his drivers ed to get his license like any of us would they asked him for his SSN and he didnt have any he was devastated.. and he has been restrained from flying with the rest of us to vacations and such.. cant get into clubs.. NOTHING!! he has no right to do anything and it sucks so much for him cuz we all grew up with him and he juss cant do the same things as us and it sucks.. he has also never commited any crimes of any sort.. i juss hope sumday they pass something and he can fix his situation because he is juss like da rest of us!!!!

POAD

June 20th, 2010
7:46 am

Javier why hasn’t your friend tried to become a citizen on his own? Your friend has been here long enough to know the LAWS. Why would he drive unlicensed and uninsured? He could hit or kill an innocent person. His life will not get easier by avoiding becoming a Legal Citizen. He may not have asked to come here, but he is here now and needs to follow the laws and try to become legal. It that too hard for you Government School Indoctrinated Brain to Understang? How happy would you be if he wrecked and killed your family when he knows he is not legal to drive? Boy I guess that wouldn’t suck cuz he is your friend.

POAD

June 20th, 2010
7:53 am

Javier please tell me you didn’t or haven’t graduated High School! Your post is a joke if you passed English class. I missed typed Understand. I will also AZ Profile that with a name like Javier you are Latino! Are you here legal? Are you really the friend in your story?

JoeDon

June 20th, 2010
7:57 am

Cynthia, how about putting your money where your mouth is. Contact your college of choice and authorize them to draw on your personal checking account when they need money to educate one of the smart illegal kids attending their school. Then let your readers know when you’ve accomplished this.

Ponder

June 20th, 2010
8:35 am

CT – where to start??? What say we try three novel concepts. First, “illegal is illegal” — what part of those three words do you not understand? Second, “Arizona’s ugly new law” — try writing an oped piece on why the federal government has failed to protect and secure our borders? and third – “racial profiling” — watch the daily local Atlanta news thug report and tell me racial profiling doesn’t or would not have a significant impact on crime?

Stan

June 20th, 2010
8:53 am

Check out the NY Times on Freddie and Fannie. Maybe little Kamchak can start using “freddie..fannie.. all the gold in the world”. Love the quote “we all work for the government now”

mvl

June 20th, 2010
8:54 am

CT

At the age of 18, I became a citizen of the United States through the formal process that was offered. Within 30 days, I raised my right hand to support and defend the Constitution of the United State of America and enlisted in the armed forces. Later the military also sent me to college. There is a legal way to be a citizen and a non-legal way to remain. I see nothing wrong with the Arizona bill as it is written. The problem as many have stated on this blog is that many have commented on the unfairness of the law without reading it. If Georgia was experiencing the same challenges as law enforcement and law abiding citizens of AZ are experiencing, you’d feel different. You can think you wouldn’t, but you would. Foreigners as I once was, came to the US for the liberties and freedoms it offers, not for hand outs. Illegals may choose to enter the borders of the US, but they choose not be assimilate nor to be citizens of this great country. If this country doesn’t need immigration laws, why have any? Every law inconveniences some person. They are there for the common good. I would love to see armed forces enlistment lead to citizenship rather than attending college illegally. Serve first and enjoy later.

blutto

June 20th, 2010
8:58 am

Kamchak: “… yet letting the others skate for 24 years.”

Frankly, you have no idea what I or most others posting here did or did not do for the past 24 years. But it seems to interest you more than what the current president is or is not doing. You choose to overlook the current administration’s ineptitude in order to constantly rehash events that took place years or even decades ago.

I will give you credit, however for not merely repeating “Bush’s fault.” You blame all presidents since 1981–with the exception of Mr. Obama. Funny how the one who could do something now gets a free pass. I guess you’re just too preoccupied in trying to remember to repeat your one time funny–two times boring little things such as “You betcha!,” “sport,” “level the playing field” etc., “Teh stoopid,” “St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun” and “poutrage.”

Billy Peeler

June 20th, 2010
9:28 am

I don’t think anybody really wants to block this young woman at Kennesaw from going to college…but I do think it is reasonable to expect her to apply and get accepted legally in accordance with University System policy.
And this may be a silly question, under the circumstances, but…since she is technically a citizen of Mexico…shouldn’t she have to apply as a foreign student, and required to pay the appropriate tuition and fees for that status?

Sethe

June 20th, 2010
9:29 am

YES!

She is a Mexican resident. She should apply as a FOREIGN student.

November

June 20th, 2010
9:30 am

Folks …………. let’s have good debate here and not call the “threadmaster” names. Nothing accomplished in that.

Why? She is “Dumb” and she is a “Radical Left Winger”…..if it’s the truth, there’s nothing wrong with saying it. Cynthia has an agenda……it has been reported that later on this century, “Whites” will be in the minority in this country…..CT is only doing her part to help that along because she is a “Racist, Racist, Racist”.

Redneck

June 20th, 2010
9:32 am

Anyone else find it funny that two black columnists both support protecting them illegals? Now don’t get me started on JJ and other black leaders.

I gotta’ wonder whut they’re gettin out of it.

Shirley Q Liquor

June 20th, 2010
9:46 am

Cynthia – at what point do you say we have to follow the letter of this law, but not that law (rule or regulation). The whole point behind democracy is to have a citizen base that is subject to, and held accountable for, acting within these parameters. If the parameters become obsolete, or in need of modification, that is what the legislature is for. Society becomes unraveled when individuals begin to make decisions for their own personal gain knowingly thumbing their nose at the law. When the next guy watches this happen time and time again, eventually you say screw it I’ll do this and wait for the law to stop me.

Your mindset perpetuates and condones “cheating” the system.

TommyJack

June 20th, 2010
10:04 am

Cynthia. Why don’t you just come out and say it? You’re for open borders. Was that so hard?

Let's All Go Live At Cythia's For FREE!!!

June 20th, 2010
10:10 am

Cynthia, Put your money where your mouth is. If you want to pay the full 4-year college tuition for some illegal aliens, be my guest. If you want to emmulate Brad & Angelina Jolie and adopt and raise a dozen third world kids, then you can foot the bill.

However, no American citizens should not be excluded from a college education because the enrollment quota has been filled with any illegals, what so ever. Nor should Americans be forced to pay for the tuition of illegals to attend free, while struggling to cover the cost of their own family’s college education.

THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH. period. So, why don’t YOU SPONSOR THE $100,000 / education for your chosen `smart` illegal aliens.

TW

June 20th, 2010
10:20 am

The rightwing war on the intellect continues.

A dad

June 20th, 2010
10:20 am

Once again, what part of illegal does everyone in favor of allowing illegals to go to school, obtain benefits, get jobs, etc. understand? Or should we be allowed to pick and choose what laws to obey? If that’s the case, since I’m bigger and stronger than about 95% of the adult population, I’ll take your wallet and your car. After all, simply cause it’s illegal doesn’t matter right. Or is it only because it’s that you disagree with the law. Laws are laws folk. Break tham at your own risk. Colotl broke the law, got caught (and don’t forget about giving a wrong address probably to try and throw off the “scent”) and there are tons of examples of illegals breaking more laws than simply the one being here illegally in the first place. Perhpas if one of your loved ones is hit by an illegal driving drunk, or looses a job, or even perhaps os the victim of a crime, at worse murdered, by an illegal, THEN the law against illegal immigration will be one you’ll support. But that’s because then it affects you now. Hypocrites.

TW

June 20th, 2010
10:23 am

My Pastor says it’s our duty as Christians to welcome the Christian immigrants with open arms. They are God’s children as well, and to demean them is to offend Him.

WWJD?

Gwinnett Mom

June 20th, 2010
10:32 am

The too big problems with our country is mexicans and queers.

Jane

June 20th, 2010
10:35 am

When a black kid does not get a good education because a white kids gets better funding for his school, the liberals get upset. But when a black kid cannot go to college because an illegal resident takes their slot, their chance for a better life, racists say nothing.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
11:24 am

I will give you credit, however for not merely repeating “Bush’s fault.” You blame all presidents since 1981–with the exception of Mr. Obama. Funny how the one who could do something now gets a free pass.

And you get no credit at all for closing the barn door long after this gored ox has been flogged to death. You say that I have no idea what you or others did or did not do for the past 24 years—well that is partially true. I have no idea what you did, but what I did not see were letters to the editors of major newspapers expressing concern about this issue. It was only after faux populists like Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck exhorted the masses did this issue of illegal immigration start to even register a blip on the radar.

So what do I expect Obama to do? I dunno. Rounding up 20-30 million people is gonna take mega bucks, man power and bureaucracy. So what do you suggest? Another cabinet level position? Czar? Maybe that is exactly what you want since it would give you yet something else to bitch about. Maybe this is only what you want—Obama does something, you bitch—Obama does nothing, you bitch. Maybe that’s all you really are—a bitch.

POAD

June 20th, 2010
11:30 am

TW: WWJD? Jesus would say to the Illegals, “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” In other words for the illegals to pay their FREAKING taxes and fees to the US government and not wire your illegally obtained money back to Mexico.

POAD

June 20th, 2010
11:37 am

KAMCHAK you don’t have to round up all illegals. Stop the wire transfers to Mexico. Don’t let children in schools. Don’t give medical help to illegals. Don’t rent homes or apartments to illegals. We will not have to pay to send them back they will go on their own just like they got here. Stop paying americans to not work and force them to do the jobs the illegals are doing when the illegals are run out of this country.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
11:41 am

We will not have to pay to send them back they will go on their own just like they got here.

Do you consciously try to be this ignorant, or is it a natural talent?

POAD

June 20th, 2010
11:44 am

Illegals go back and forth all the time. If there is no benefit to stay here they will go HOME.

neo-Carlinist

June 20th, 2010
11:48 am

let’s all step away from the computer and enjoy Father’s Day. let’s look at the politi-speak name of the topic de la dia (that’s Spanish for du jour): illegal immigration. conservative or liberal, tea partier, libertarian or John Birch disciple; Americans must concede that ALL laws exist to protect wealth. Immigration was not “illegal” until a law was passed making it “illegal” (ever hear the joke about Native Americans and their very lax immigration laws?). the only way to “secure” the borders is to go after the business owners who hire undocumented workers. In our effort to win the war on drugs we go after dealers, but not users. In states where prostitution is illegal, we go after pimps and prostitutes, but no Johns. Businesses hire these people because they’re cheap. They can pay pennies on the dollar (compared to “legal” employee) and they don’t have to pay payroll taxes, Social Security, unemployment insurance, etc., and it’s not local contractors, mom and pop painting companies and landscapers doing the hiring; it’s huge corporations who are saving millions of dollars (hotels, agri-business, etc.). And of course, the faux populist gadflies and politicos see “value” in this issue as well, but it will never be resolved because it is to valuble (public sector and private sector) unresolved.

Gator Joe

June 20th, 2010
11:52 am

Cynthia,
It’s goes along with the territory for you to be the recipient of most of the comments here, good or, unfortunately bad. I don’t mean bad in the sense the viewpoints are in opposition, but rather because they are insulting (I could use other adjectives). I don’t know how you could convince your readers that insults are not a form of debate or argument.

For My Fellow Contributors:
I will consider opposing points of view if they are presented in a reasonable, non insulting manner, without epithets or name-calling. When I see these in a post I immediately proceed to the next post.
Finally, my opinion doesn’t matter any more, or less, than anyone else’s, but if I insult anyone then what I say matters even less.

PS
No one’s mind can be changed, without consent of the owner, and my beliefs will not be changed by insults, epithets, threats or violence-I don’t believe yours will either.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
12:07 pm

Here is an excerpt from a piece that our hostess wrote in 2007:

…here’s some counterintuitive advice for the Democratic ranks: Don’t hedge. Lead. Do the right thing. Come out clearly and forcefully for putting illegal immigrants already in the country on a path to citizenship. This is no time to trim or triangulate. Show some spine. America is ready for reasoned leadership on this issue.

…So let the GOP be the party of fear and division. Democrats ought to stand for something else. The modern Democratic Party also made its choice in the 1960s, choosing hope over fear, tolerance over division and the beloved community over bigotry.

…This is no time for Democrats to turn their backs on that heritage. America is too generous and compassionate to expel millions of productive and otherwise law-abiding people. The nation has taken advantage of their labor for decades, and it would be inhumane (and outrageously expensive) to round them up and send them back.

But Americans also want to be assured that this is the last time a broad legalization option is offered to illegal immigrants. Democrats ought to make it clear that they’ll enforce the borders and crack down on employers who hire illegally, a cheaper and more effective strategy for addressing the problem than building fences. After a few CEOs have done the perp walk for illegal hiring, they’ll stop offering jobs to those without proper documents. And when word gets across the border that U.S. companies have stopped hiring, those laborers will stop coming. They come for jobs, after all, not jihad.

This is a win-win platform. Not only is it wise and honorable, calling on the highest ideals of a nation of immigrants, it can also produce victories at the ballot box. Last week, Virginia Democrats made gains in state and local elections even though the state has been embroiled in fiery debate over illegal immigration. As an analysis by the Washington Post concluded, voting trends didn’t benefit “those who campaigned the loudest for tough sanctions against illegal immigrants.”

Let Republicans take the low road. It doesn’t end in a place the rest of the country wants to go.

TW

June 20th, 2010
12:36 pm

“TW: WWJD? Jesus would say to the Illegals, “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” In other words for the illegals to pay their FREAKING taxes and fees to the US government and not wire your illegally obtained money back to Mexico.”

I agree – give them a social security card and let’s play ball :)

drew

June 20th, 2010
1:08 pm

This is why Cynthia Tucker and the AJC will always be a joke. If it weren’t for Mark Bradley, no one would read this paper anyway.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 20th, 2010
1:10 pm

With any luck at all, Republicans will win a majority in one or both houses of Congress.

Call it a down payment on letting America be America again.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
1:19 pm

With any luck at all, Republicans will win a majority in one or both houses of Congress.

Gonna take more than luck.

They seem to be out of money.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 20th, 2010
1:26 pm

But the Democrats are out of ideas. Their only solution is higher taxes, bigger government, and power grabs.

Americans have had enough. Sure, it was cool to elect a black guy, but the novelty has worn off now that they see what a pathetic incompetent the Idiot Messiah turned out to be.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
1:29 pm

Americans have had enough. Sure, it was cool to elect a black guy, but the novelty has worn off now that they see what a pathetic incompetent the Idiot Messiah turned out to be.

Who granted you the authority to be spokesman for Americans?

POAD

June 20th, 2010
1:34 pm

The whole freaking country is out of money.

TW no social security card, no benefits, but a immirgant worker card that allows their children benefits. No Social Security benefits paid out to Illegals. When their children are educated and they get the chance to live here that is the illegals benefit.

Jim

June 20th, 2010
1:43 pm

Cynthia is an idiot! If ANYONE is in this country and they should not be here, i.e. being legal, then they should not have a “right” to attend our colleges and universities. For one thing space in most universitites is limited so why give space to an illegal when it could take that space for someone who has followed the rules and is in this country legally?

Bernie

June 20th, 2010
1:47 pm

There is already a path to citizenship in our country. It is not respected.And, our counrty can NO longer afford to take care of the number of illigal immigrants that are here already. These resources need to go to americans.

Rosita

June 20th, 2010
1:52 pm

Cynthia, when I got around to reading what you said it made sense but the headline was a real firestarter, imo. The Durbin legislation with the constraints you described makes sense to me because these people did not actually enter the country illegally, but via the cabbage patch. Your opinions will always attract the usual nuts but a tamer headline might have attracted more support for what seems a reasonable position. On the other hand, a tamer headline might not have brought us in, eh? Hang in there!

South GA Teacher

June 20th, 2010
2:04 pm

Illegal is illegal…get the hell out.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
2:11 pm

Illegal is illegal…

Repetition is repetition, and tautology is saying the same thing with different words.

Gerald West

June 20th, 2010
2:14 pm

Good article, Cynthia! You really stirred up the rabble!

Children who were brought to this country by their parents have broken no laws. Why not give them a path to citizenship? We need new blood; our country is stagnating under the same old black/white Republican/Democrat agenda of the last 50 years.

People from Mexico and Central American are, for the most part, mestizos of native American and Spanish descent. Native Americans were the original owners of the land, and Spaniards were the first European settlers of our country. It’s only right that their descendents come to live, study, and work here. What harm can it do?

gary

June 20th, 2010
2:34 pm

Cynthia, could you please publish your address, so anyone, legal or not, can come over to your home and help themselves to whatever they’d like. As you seem to be advocating that for our entire country, I’m presumming you won’t mind doing it on a more personal level.

Americans

June 20th, 2010
3:03 pm

We hereby grant Lil’ Barry Bailout authority to speak on our behalf.

Americans

June 20th, 2010
3:07 pm

Correction: We hereby demand that Lil’ Barry Bailout to STFU.

Ghengis kahn

June 20th, 2010
3:10 pm

Kamchak,

Its really very simple. You simply fine the heck out of businesses that hire illegal aliens. They will quit hiring them and the illegals will then find their own way home of their own accord. No buses, no roundups, none of that nonsense. They will just go. Why do you liberals try to make things so much harder than they need to be?

Ghengis kahn

June 20th, 2010
3:13 pm

Cynthia,

You call that new law in Arizona “ugly”. Specifically what does the Arizone law do that Federal law doesn’t already do? Can’t answer that one can you? Why? Because you’re being dishonest. All the Arizona law does is require that Arizona enforce the laws that are already on the Federal books. That’s all. People like yourself and other liberals are simply distorting the truth because you don’t want the existing laws on the books enforced. End of story.

POAD

June 20th, 2010
3:13 pm

The kids didn’t have a choice, but they do know that they are Illegal by the time they wish to attend college right? Well, they need to prepare to play non-residant tuition for college. The Asians that go to USC, UCLA, Stanford pay the proper tuition as should the illegals. Maybe not Foreign Tuition, but Out of State Tuition for sure. If I break a law there are issues I have to accept and the same should apply for the children of Border Jumpers. If parents are drug addicts it is not the childs fault, but that doesn’t stop the child from being place as a ward of the state.

Americans

June 20th, 2010
3:24 pm

Excellent grammar, fake Americans. Observant readers will notice your error and realize that you’re an imposter.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
3:26 pm

Its really very simple. You simply fine the heck out of businesses that hire illegal aliens.

Well—being that it has been the only punishment meted out for the past 24 years or so, maybe it is time to try something else, because it hasn’t worked.

They will quit hiring them and the illegals will then find their own way home of their own accord.

Nope. Again—that is a failed strategy.

They will just go.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Crystal ball? Ouija board? Tarot cards? Magic 8 ball?

Ghengis kahn

June 20th, 2010
3:29 pm

Kamchak,

Lets make a simple agreement. You want the illegals here? You pay a 10% surcharge in your taxes in a national voter referendum if you vote not the enforce the immigration laws and keep them here.

I spoke with a guy who worked at a south Georgia saw mill yesterday who told me that all the illegals that his saw mill hires all claim crazy numbers of dependents like 9,10,15. In other words they’re not paying any taxes. Talk to someone in Dalton where all the carpet mills are or Gainesville with the poultry plants and you’ll hear the same thing. They all claim absurd numbers of dependents so that they won’t pay any taxes.

My proposal to you is this. Why don’t we have a national referendum on enforcing laws against these companies and the illegals they hire. The people like yourself that don’t want existing immigration laws enforced can vote not to enforce the law.

Consequently you should then be amenable to paying an extr 10% tax surcharge if you voted this way to make up for the lack of taxes these illegals pay and all their associated costs such as, educating all their children, the enormous costs they impose on our judicial system not to mention our health care system(several hospitals in Southern Cal are on the verge of collapse from treating illegals), all the food stamps, subsidized section 8 housing, medicaid(oh yes, they get all these benefits in georgia).

Kamchak, just put your money where your mouth is and help with the tax burden. Oh wait. You probably don’t pay taxes yourself. Since you’re on here all day long every day and on weekends I can only assume you don’t freaking work. Are you laid off and on the unemployment gravy train? Permanent welfare citizen with kids from different fathers? Independently wealthy? A commuity organizer fighting for the rights of the oppressed?

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 20th, 2010
3:30 pm

Kamchak is only on week 54 of the current 99 weeks of unemployment benefits provided by Americans who work for a living.

Ghengis kahn

June 20th, 2010
3:32 pm

Kamchak,

Sorry ma’am but it really is that simple. Fine the heck out of the carpet mills, the saw mills, poultry plants, building contractors. Hire a 100 man force to go around work sites statewide, check ids at job sites, fine the employer $1,000 first offense, $5,000 2nd offense, $10,000 or more 3rd offense. The businesses will fire every one of them and you can rest assured they will then find their own way home. If they can’t find work they’ll go. Its that simple and you know it. You just want your communist worker’s paradise is all. Maybe you and your illegals should break into North Korea and truly live in a workers paradise.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
3:34 pm

Lets make a simple agreement. You want the illegals here?

You seem to laboring under the misapprehension that I do.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kamchak is only on week 54 of the current 99 weeks of unemployment benefits provided by Americans who work for a living.

Kamchak is self employed and unable to draw unemployment benefits, sport.

Rosita

June 20th, 2010
3:34 pm

Genghis Khan: Immigrants aside, please learn the correct spelling of your name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
3:36 pm

Sorry ma’am but it really is that simple. Fine the heck out of the carpet mills, the saw mills, poultry plants, building contractors.

No sport, those laws will never be written.

Ghengis kahn

June 20th, 2010
3:37 pm

“Let Republicans take the low road. It doesn’t end in a place the rest of the country wants to go.”

Kamchak, ma’am lets just invite the whole world to come live with us on our taxpayer dime. Doesn’t matter if the anointed one has already quadrupled the national debt and driven us into bankruptcy. We’ll just print more money like those really smart folks over in Zimbabwe. You know, the ones that pay for a loaf of bread with a wheel barrow full of money. Or we’ll just stick with my idea and let the ones like yourselves who don’t mind the illegals pay an extra tax surcharge to keep them here. Have you agreed to that yet?

Ghengis kahn

June 20th, 2010
3:37 pm

Rosita,

I’ve actually seen it spelled a couple of different ways.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
3:38 pm

Genghis Khan: Immigrants aside, please learn the correct spelling of your name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Genghis Kahn is a title, not a name. That individual’s name was Temujin.

Ghengis kahn

June 20th, 2010
3:39 pm

Gotta go, I got a life to live.

Kamchak, You need to go also. I assume you have a lot of Mexican guests in your living room and that like a good liberal you are helping to house and feed them on your dime. I’m certain you are putting your money where your mouth is.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
3:40 pm

Or we’ll just stick with my idea and let the ones like yourselves who don’t mind the illegals pay an extra tax surcharge to keep them here. Have you agreed to that yet?

Again—you seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I want them here.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 20th, 2010
3:52 pm

Kamchak sounds like a moderate. Those idiots NEVER know what they think.

Sethe

June 20th, 2010
4:07 pm

Well Cynthia ought to be happy. The illegal kid at Harvard has got it made.

Tax dollars at work folks.

Audrey in Georgia

June 20th, 2010
4:15 pm

Smart illegal or dumb illegal, you are still illegal!

When America gets over her slave mentality that we now call cheap labor, the alleged immigration
problem will dissipate.

If illegal immigrants are criminals, then everyone that has helped them is guilty of aiding and abetting
criminals. This would include the employers, schools, hospitals, doctors and anyone else.
Put these people in jail and fine them a lot of money now!
In essence, why are illegal people allowed to do things legally? The simply answer is because
YOU allowed it to happen. YOU did nothing when companies started shipping jobs overseas for
cheap labor. YOU did not protest and you continued buying their products. YOU called it the
free market and private enterprise. YOU hired people who were illegal and said they were better
workers than your own American citizens.

The military claims to be the biggest and best in the world. Yet, our borders are not secure.
Our borders are not secure because YOU want to continue allowing the disease of cheap labor
rather than allowing men and women to be paid decent wages. All people need to be treated
equally and paid equally.

We need to stop referring to people as aliens. These are human beings! It is time for America
to write a clearer and shorter path to becoming a citizen of the United States. If this is the reform
that YOU want, then YOU need to make it happen.

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
4:24 pm

Kamchak sounds like a moderate. Those idiots NEVER know what they think.

Nope—liberal and proud of it. On this issue, I have been vocal for nearly three decades about the need for something to be done about the influx of illegals in the labor market. For nearly three decades voices on the right have been silent. Cheap labor has kept wages down for the middle class and has moved more money to the upper class.

ken

June 20th, 2010
4:43 pm

Cindy, watch YOUTUBE
“RAY STEVENS COME TO THE USA”
you will laugh, so true

Sethe

June 20th, 2010
4:45 pm

I do not employ illegals. I think anyone who is caught doing so should be thrown in jail. Not only is it unethical to take advantage of people who are obviously looking for a “better life”, but it displaces U.S. citizens from jobs.

In regards to my voice during Reagan’s amnesty BS, well, I wasn’t even a teenager and politics was not high on my list of priorities.

Now that I’m older, and more aware, I’m more concerned about my future.

*shrug*

Harry Reid

June 20th, 2010
5:10 pm

Illegals need to be in JAIL!!!!!

Davis

June 20th, 2010
5:16 pm

It’s ‘dumb’ to be challenged for shoplifting, which is illegal, IF you are smart…………………

TW

June 20th, 2010
5:40 pm

God made all his children, Those who deem His work ‘illegal’ deface the very body of Christ.

However, it is nice to see the right abandon its ruse of being Christian.

dawgforever

June 20th, 2010
5:44 pm

kill all illegals. not really but deport them NOW. get the criminals out of the country. an illegal act like crossing the border without papers is breaking the law.

Bill

June 20th, 2010
5:54 pm

Yeah, they said the same thing about the Irish.

It sounds like the libertarians here would support a national ID card. Whats up with that??

Davis

June 20th, 2010
6:04 pm

TW, the very last thing I wish to do, is come across as preachy or self righteous. I must correct you, however. The ‘right’ has neither abandoned Christianity or, hopefully, for most, basic knowledge of what the Bible teaches. We are all wonderful creations of God, but it is not until we receive His Dear Son, Jesus Christ, as our Savior, and faith in His finished work and shed blood on the cross for our sins, and believe in His name, that we become God’s child. This anything goes, believe anything, all roads lead to Heaven, we’re just taking different paths, is misguided and beyond dangerous. I hope you have accepted Jesus as your Savior and abandon your ‘ruse’ of false teaching. God did make all of His children, but you have to exercise believeing faith to become one. May God bless you!

TW

June 20th, 2010
6:32 pm

Davis – I am glad to see a fellow Christian join me in admonishing those who claim to be Christian while treating our Mexican brethren like the sole of their shoe.

On a side note, how come Muslims, Buddhists, and Jews all give more to charity than Christians? I mean, how stupid are they anyway?

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 20th, 2010
6:32 pm

TW, please keep you religion off the blog.

Thumper.

Rick

June 20th, 2010
6:34 pm

Sorry Cynthia, wrong again. The student is taking a space in a college that a US citizen or someone who entered the country legally could have. She has known she was illegal, and should have applied for citizenship

TW

June 20th, 2010
6:34 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout
June 20th, 2010
6:32 pm

If my mere presence brings you discomfort it can only be because you’ve not yet been Saved.

I will pray for you.

Bill

June 20th, 2010
7:06 pm

Rick,

Her parents brought her here when she was a small child. She has never been in a position when she could apply for citizenship.

Beverly Wittler

June 20th, 2010
7:12 pm

We were raised to do the right thing, never, EVER do anything illegal. It’s too bad that children were brought here illegally but once they become adults, its up to them to become legal. Surprised you wrote that one Cynthia! Surprised they printed it too.

guy

June 20th, 2010
7:42 pm

Joan has said it all. The law is the law and it should be first in everything.If not,why have laws?

Reagan Republican

June 20th, 2010
8:11 pm

Great article Cynthia, thank-you. The hate many have in Georgia is incredulous, reminds me of the civil rights days of the 50’s and 60’s. Those were real people then, and our immigrants here now are real people, almost none of which are felons. The lives of those who are here finishing high school without proper immigration documentation have no future now, except menial labor, returning to a country they don’t remember, or crime. That is the reason for the DREAM Act, give them and our country a better chance. Furthermore, either they should qualify for in-state tuition or at least the HOPE scholarship. Any adult from anywhere in the world can buy a lottery ticket, anyone can collect from the winning ticket, but only Georgia high school graduates who are citizens can collect on the scholarship. Let’s stop the hate and give all a fair shake.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 20th, 2010
8:11 pm

TW: It’s not your presence, it’s your proseletyzing. Don’t you know the First Amendment guarantees me freedom from religion?

Ayn Rand was right

June 20th, 2010
8:22 pm

Kamchak – I believe that Mr. Obama and Ms. Pelosi claimed to be bringing brooms to Washington DC to clean up the mess. Great place to start, I say.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 20th, 2010
8:29 pm

Barack “Scarecrow” Obama claimed a lot of things that haven’t panned out…like competence.

Ayn Rand was right

June 20th, 2010
8:56 pm

Well, Lil’ Barry, you can’t buy everything at the Home Depot. :-) I know some Tea Party members who have already bought their brooms and are practicing up for November.

Sethe

June 20th, 2010
9:16 pm

To all people who use religion as an excuse to justify harboring people in this country illegally:

Remember that Christianity is not the end-all religion. There are people who are Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu and they all have different beliefs. So are you gonna tell them that they’re all wrong?

I’m sorry, but using religion as an excuse for people to behave poorly and have absolutely NO respect for our country and its laws is unethical.

Hmm, I seem to recall the Catholic priests using religion to molest countless numbers of children. Yep. They used “religion” as their excuse.

The actions of our government and those of the people taking advantage of our lax enforcement of immigration laws are inexcusable.

These people have no integrity.

A thought

June 20th, 2010
9:21 pm

Politics aside…If I wanted to go to university in Mexico City, I would 1st have to get a student visa, that would allow me legal residence in the country as I attended college. I would then be subject to the rules governing the acceptance and tuition into whatever university I was choosing to attend. One may ask, why should this be any different for foreign students wishing to attend university in the USA? If I can’t get the scholarships to pay for it, then maybe I should choose another college?

Stan

June 20th, 2010
9:26 pm

I second it Sethe- channeling flipping and hit AM 750 Allen Hunt show. Basic premise of the absurd show was if you are against illegal immigration you are anti God- nevertheless, Hunt is a recently converted Catholic who despises and condemns Muslims. His view is we are all lucky to be born in this country and should basically give it all away. He went on to condemn some “fat drunken chick” who put down Notre Dame. We have become a nation of folks who want to play god and pick and chose what is god like. If not for the waste of time I would have called and asked Hunt “does the radio station have rules? did you have to sign a contract? Sorry to be so long but the majority of folks love their neighbors (and illegal immigrants) we are simply smart enough to know there must be rules and laws.

JT

June 20th, 2010
9:45 pm

I think we can say that the woman at KSU has broken at least a few laws-driving without a license (even a valid Mexican one!), not paying the proper tuition amount (that’s theft), and giving false address to police. If she weren’t an illegal alien and there weren’t people ready to hold press conferences on her behalf as some sort of victim, this wouldn’t even be a story. The normal law abiding citizen (US or resident alien) would be in trouble and no one would question she’s broken multiple laws.

Now the DOJ is going to sue AZ (for a law which mirrors Fed law) by claiming that Feds are in charge of immigration (but they clearly aren’t doing their own jobs)? Where, in this fasicst “Progressive” country of ours does one turn to for help when Big Brother doesn’t do its job? Time for another “crisis” to allow Progressives to ‘lead.’

That’s my ‘personal freedom’ I’m waving goodbye to………………

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
10:14 pm

That’s my ‘personal freedom’ I’m waving goodbye to………………

And the award for biggest drama queen posting on a blog goes to….

TW

June 20th, 2010
10:26 pm

The white trash brigade simply cannot stand the fact that this girl is smarter than they are.

LOL!

Kamchak

June 20th, 2010
10:34 pm

Kamchak – I believe that Mr. Obama and Ms. Pelosi claimed to be bringing brooms to Washington DC to clean up the mess. Great place to start, I say.

Ayn Rand was a chain smoking sociopath — I believe that it doesn’t matter whether Obama and Pelosi did something, or did nothing, you would bitch either way.

Sethe

June 20th, 2010
10:52 pm

@Kamchak

You mentioned that “countless” people here are bitching or exhibiting “poutrage.”

If that is the case, then- what is your solution to this problem?

Actually, I’ll address everyone on this thread:

What is your solution to the problem of illegal immigration?

How do we “get our country back?”

ken

June 20th, 2010
10:54 pm

Kamchak,60% of the population were chain smokers in 1950 !!!!!!!!

Stan

June 20th, 2010
10:56 pm

TW- quite a zinger there big guy (or gal)- please introduce yourself at the next mensa meeting.

LOcrap

Tiger Woods + Jesse James = SuperBAD meets SuperEVIL in "SuperUGLY!"

June 20th, 2010
11:00 pm

Cynthia is wrong about illegals not taking spots in the education system from legal U.S. citizens. The FACT is that there are a very limited amount of educational resources available, especially in a state like Georgia that had seen explosive growth in recent years. In Georgia and many other sunbelt states, population growth has far outpaced growth of classroom space, teachers, etc. at both the compulsory education and higher education levels, partly as a result of massive illegal immigration. That’s not to mention that amount of tuition charged to both in-state and out-of-state residents doesn’t even cover the full cost of educating students at Georgia’s publicly-funded colleges and universities.

Now, I’m not one who likes to advocate for denying anyone who may be eligible the opportunity to obtain an education at any level, BUT the FACT is that undocumented aliens like Jessica Coloti are NOT eligible for anything that may remotely resemble a public benefit available for LEGAL U.S.-born citizens because they’re NOT legal U.S. Citizens. An UNDOCUMENTED illegal alien should never have the opportunity to be ADMITTED, period, to a state taxpayer-funded public college or university over a qualified legal U.S. citizen, much less be admitted to a state institution at an in-state tuition rate. The practice of illegal aliens being admitted to limited spots at state colleges and universities should definitely NOT be in practice, especially at this period in Georgia’s history when the rate of population growth has far outpaced the rate of growth in available public institutional outlets of higher education.

There are just nowhere nearly enough resources available to provide spots to all illegal students who apply at Georgia’s public institutions of higher education overcrowded with LEGAL students. I don’t consider myself to be a cold-hearted person, but with financial resources far-and-few between and shrinking at that, I have to advocate that the Georgia General Assembly take immediate action to make sure that no illegal immigrants are admitted to taxpayer-funded public state institutions of higher learning at the expense of legal U.S. citizens. We CANNOT take the risk of legal Georgia citizens not having access to very limited public benefits like HOPE scholarships and spots in state institutions of higher education because an illegal had gained access to them instead.

With that being said, I also have to remind everyone that the Federal Government’s almost total lack of a coherent and organized immigration policy, especially at the porous southern border, has left many localities and their governments to try and deal the best way they can with a mushrooming long-term Hispanic gang and organized crime problem (hence, Arizona’s back-to-the-wall desperate attempt at immigration enforcement, an area where the Feds have clearly failed). This “policy” of massive unchecked illegal immigration has left many areas in the U.S. that were unequipped to deal with an demographic time bomb in the form of an exploding population of “anchor babies” (U.S.-born children of foreign-born parents who have illegally entered the U.S.) and the like (children like that of Jessica Coloti, who were brought into the illegally by their parents at a very young age) that will be starting to and will continue to come of age in the near future. So keep-in-mind that while there just are not enough public resources available in Georgia to provide illegal students with taxpayer-funded higher education benefits, locally we’d be best advised to work to make higher resources alot more widely available to legal and even illegal students in the future. We’d also better work on encouraging alot more Hispanic students to aim for a post-secondary education because the side-effect of not doing so may be contributing to a burgeoning Latin American gang problem that has the potential to dwarf traditional American gang issues and make the Crips and the Bloods and company look like child’s play in the park.

I know, we as law-abiding LEGAL U.S. citizens didn’t ask for this problem of massive illegal immigration and its effects that has been pushed off and forced off on us by a corrupt Federal Government, but we had damn sure better find a way to deal with before it gets even more way more out of hand than it already is because the Feds have indicated time and time again that they have obviously have no intention of fixing the problem of massive illegal immigration, a problem of their creation that they continue to enable and encourage. If any Georgians would like to take a look at the illegal immigration problem has the potential to do to North Georgia in the next decade, just take a visit to Houston, Texas, Phoenix, Arizona, and/or, especially, Los Angeles, California and you will see that what’s going on in Cobb, Hall, DeKalb and Gwinnett Counties in Georgia in 2010 is just the tip of the iceberg. The 287(g) program in Cobb, Hall and Gwinnett Counties has become a good tool for those communities to cope with the problem at a minimal level, but as witnessed by communities who have been through the earlier stages of massive illegal immigration before us like those in Arizona and especially Texas and California, this is just the beginning of story on illegal immigration so we’re gonna have to find many other ways to cope with this from here on out.

Old Physics Teacher

June 20th, 2010
11:04 pm

Charity begins at home. Take care of every legal Georgia resident student FIRST. Then if any spaces are available, pick the BEST student from whatever pool is available and invite them to attend a Georgia taxpayer-funded institution and make them pay the prevailing rate for the privilege of attending. I didn’t get a break when I attended. There was no HOPE available nor any scholarship other than loans I took out – and I was a tax-paying citizen.. I have no problem with “give me your poor, tired huddled masses…”but they are not citizens of our nation YET, and until they are, whether they’re smart or not is immaterial

News Update – June 21, 2010

June 20th, 2010
11:48 pm

[...] Is it dumb to keep smart kids from college, even if they are here illegally? [...]

We can't afford these people - End of story!

June 20th, 2010
11:55 pm

I wasn’t going to comment, since it seems that many on here have already put forth a great deal of logic in trying to refute Ms. Tucker’s misguided thoughts, but I have reconsidered because I think some things need to be said by an overwhelming majority to get people like her to understand. This is not about racism or classism for a majority of Americans, it is about economics. We simply cannot afford to give away our dwindling taxpayer dollars to support every other country and its’ citizens, we need to focus on American citizens. There is a process to become an American citizen and many follow it every year; to those that do, they are entitled to the benefits (and drawbacks at times) of being an American citizen.
I have been one of the unfortunate Americans who has had to fall back on the govt. programs in the last year that are designed to keep those of us who fall into unfortunate circumstances the ability to survive momentarily until we can get back on our feet. Sadly, this situation made me feel embarassed and ashamed at times for having to take the govt’s money, even though I have paid more than my fair share of taxes in my lifetime before needing this safety net. I can assure you that there are those among us who feel no such sense of shame and who have never paid any federal or state taxes to cover these expenses. Every time I went to the unemployment office, there was a mix of all races and creeds who were there due to unfortunate circumstances of their own, a true melting pot of the population, so to speak. Every time I went to the Dept. of Human Resources to discuss food benefits for my family, I was usually the only white person there – if there were any others, it was never more than one. The majority were hispanic and did not speak English, they required the staff to speak in spanish and they all had children in tow. I can only assume that the benefits they were getting could only be in the children’s (who were I assume born here) names, since I had to prove a lot to get benefits temporarily for my family – including citizenship, residency, social security number, etc. The office I had to visit was on Beaver Ruin Rd, and I welcome any of you to visit this office any time, any day of the week to see this for yourselves. All the while, I see the news every day regarding our countries and states budgets, the shrinking tax base they are dealing with, and the cuts to standard school programs and govt layoffs due to such shortcomings; yet somehow it’s ok for us to feed and educate these people for free while putting our citizens out of work and cutting our own children’s educational opportunities. There is no logic in this at all.
We have many Latino friends who are here legally (including one very close friend who is in school administration) who find this disturbing as well.
My wife has just been tasked at her new job of going through all of the employees documents and verifying their legal status due to their fear of Ga law and the requirement to be above board in their operations. She just began this task on Friday and I am very glad this is being done. I have spent this weekend looking at photocopies of the various “papers” that have been given to her company to validate the people working there and I assure you that many of them are illegal and will soon be out of a job. Let me note that this is a Latino owned company and my wife is one of two employees who are not of hispanic origin. Do you think that the jobs that become available through this process will be left unfilled? The answer is no, they will still need the work done, but it will be done by someone who is in the country legally. All I can say is hooray for Ga having the guts to stand up and pass tough laws on employers that require the proper papers for their workers – it will help our state and country immensely, and I can assure that were these laws not put in place and being enforced, this company would not care one bit if they continued to hire or subcontract with illegal immigrants – thus taking jobs from American citizens and reducing the tax base for our state and federal govt.
Illegal means illegal and we should enforce our laws for our own survival as a nation – Mexico damn sure does!

Lawabidingcitizen

June 21st, 2010
12:21 am

Head in the sand! Head in the sand!…. CT has her head in the sand.. again..so what else is new?

Kamchak

June 21st, 2010
1:01 am

You mentioned that “countless” people here are bitching or exhibiting “poutrage.”

Perhaps you could reference where I used the word “countless” because I have searched this thread and can’t find it.

…what is your solution to this problem?

I agree with our hostess’ op-ed piece that I quoted here.

I will reiterate what I believe to be the starting point:

But Americans also want to be assured that this is the last time a broad legalization option is offered to illegal immigrants. Democrats ought to make it clear that they’ll enforce the borders and crack down on employers who hire illegally, a cheaper and more effective strategy for addressing the problem than building fences. After a few CEOs have done the perp walk for illegal hiring, they’ll stop offering jobs to those without proper documents. And when word gets across the border that U.S. companies have stopped hiring, those laborers will stop coming. They come for jobs, after all, not jihad.

While Ms. Tucker doesn’t specifically define what the “perp walk” will be, I say use the same standards used in the “war on drugs,” zero tolerance and mandatory minimums in state prisons or federal penitentiaries–not minimum security country club detention camps.

What to do with the 10-30 or more million illegals that are here? That seems to be the sticking point. Some will return to where they came from, and others will probably choose to live in an underground society here, or choose to be homeless here rather than return to whatever conditions drove them here. Ms. Tucker also mentions a “path to citizenship.” Smarter people than me must needs provide the details on that, but I believe that this is the humane, “wise and honorable” thing to do.

older and wiser

June 21st, 2010
6:15 am

Nope…………..Don’t hold ‘em back. Let them go to college, but let them do it in their OWN country!! Illegal is illegal. What PART of illegal is so misunderstood?

TW

June 21st, 2010
7:11 am

Will the insecurity of the white male ever abate?

Cynthia is Sexy!!

June 21st, 2010
7:21 am

Agreed…Smart kids should attend college and do so in their own Country. We dont want them not do we need the freeloaders.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

June 21st, 2010
7:22 am

Nor for not*

Cynthia is Sexy!!

June 21st, 2010
7:23 am

TW

June 21st, 2010
7:11 am

I guess when the dumbbells trying to replace the white male demonstrate leadership capabilities and some intelligence then the white males may have faith enough in them. Until then I guess its business as usual.

Americans are treated worst than illegals

June 21st, 2010
8:00 am

I don’t know what all the stink is…. American citizens are treating worst than undocumented residents. As an American you must show license, birth certificate, ss card and give a sample
of your dna just for a temp job. So, if I have to go through all this crap as a fourth generation citizen – why shouldn’t they have to jump through the same hoops to get accepted to college.

Jeff

June 21st, 2010
8:02 am

I’ll ask the same question that CT recently asked: Where do you propose to make cuts to get the money to do this?

ken R

June 21st, 2010
8:11 am

I have a dream, and that’s to educate Americans first, and keep our boarders safe.

There are millions of other nationalities that are just as smart or smarter than Latinos, so why not let them all into our country, oops! sorry they may not vote Democratic.

Mark

June 21st, 2010
8:13 am

Cynthia….You are completely misguided, unbelievable…what part of the word ILLEGAL do NOT understand….Racial profiling !!.. I wish you blacks would get over yourselves !!!

So, I must ask, I assume you have traveled abroad ?, would you be offended if someone wanted to see your indentifaction ?…I always have my documents,passport,VISA, etc…and will present whenever asked, what is the difference here ?..Again, ILLEGAL is against the lAW

I wish Abraham Lincoln would have followed thru and sent the freed slaaves to Liberia of wherever, this country would have been a much better place

Americans are treated worst than illegals

June 21st, 2010
8:22 am

I always find it funny, Americans want to send blacks to Africa but the whites who are well off refuse to go back to the country from which their ancestors departed. If you are so disgusted with the “American Dream” why don’t you leave and let the Americans who want true justice for all to stay and make this country a better place.

Mark

June 21st, 2010
8:47 am

I think Black America is a disgrace, hold out thy hand, government will help,bitch and moan about everything while always crying discrimination…Al Sharpton and that peach of a guy, Louis Farrakhan are the spokespeople ……I wish blacks would listen to Bill Cosby and wake up !

Americans are treated worst than illegals

June 21st, 2010
9:31 am

Hey Mark, as a black man in America, (mind you – I am not an angry black man) there are times when I feel the black community “whines and moans” about petty issues, which at times, I cannot relate to. To be honest with you, I am pretty bored of the “R” (racism) word. It just seems to get old and worn out. I would prefer to talk about more pressing issues such as world hunger, education, and the economy. However, for some reason, as a black man in America, I seem to have some of the strangest experiences when I am doing some of the simpliest things in life. When I am around other people getting gas for my car, shopping in a store, or walking down the street minding my own business, I get cussed, I get followed, and pretty much get no respect from complete strangers. Sure I can say it is racism. However. I also know sometimes some people may have issues. Heck, I admit, even I have issues. So, if I am having these experiences there may be other individuals dealing with the same issues and they prefer to vent about it. Some may call it whining or moaning, however, I prefer to call it voicing a concern. Besides, I would rather a person vent on a blog page than pull out a can of whip a@# on me while I am shopping at my local Kroger.

HDB

June 21st, 2010
9:31 am

Mark June 21st, 2010
8:47 am

Mark, the preponderance of Black Americans are law-abiding, educated, tax paying citizens; the problem is that many here feel that discrimination no longer exists…where the opposite is true! Not only would such draconian laws like Arizona’s SB 1070 focus on Hispanics……ANY person could be detained on the whim of the police….but many like you don’t see that happening. Many Caucasians don’t see the police as threats to personal liberty…..but you are desiring a police state replete with Jim Crow laws. Are you as harsh on the EMPLOYERS as you are on the laborers??

Immigration is an important issue……but too many here are allowing thier racial animosity to show rather than their logic!!

BTW: I’ve listened to Cosby…and have no issue! I am one of the educated, law-abiding, tax paying Black Americans that you don’t believe to exist………

Mark

June 21st, 2010
9:54 am

HDB and Americans treated worst…thank you for sharing your thoughts, I sense we are all frustrated….and beleive it or not I see police as a threat….but, when I travel outside of the US, I make sure to have my papers,passport,VISA and will present when asked, simple as that, you have to respect the LAWS of the country where you are, again,very simple…we have laws in America, that are laughed at by the illegals, ENFORCE the law….try going to Mexico and watch how they handle their illegals

HDB

June 21st, 2010
10:25 am

Mark June 21st, 2010
9:54 am

Many THINK they are frustrated…but what they are doing is showing their xenophobia…..

As I’ve asked before….how many people are going after the EMPLOYERS vs. LABORERS??

Having traveled extensively overseas, I’ve YET to be asked to produce proof save going through customs; why?? When I ‘m overseas, I attempt to use the language and assimilate into the climate!!! People KNOW I’m American….but I’m respected because I attempt to communicate and respect them in their language!!

Laws like SB 1070 will lead to the beginning of the police state…..but too many desire that to keep certain minorities at bay…..I pray that doesn’t happen…..

Ayn Rand was right

June 21st, 2010
10:37 am

Kamchak – It is still my right to “bitch” about anyone I like, just as it is your right to call names, and judge people for their bad habits (even those shared by most in her time).

I “bitched” and will continue to “bitch” about all elected officials who talk a good game and do nothing, no matter their affiliations.

BTW – my point was directed at your complaint that people on the blog let it ride for 24 years, but now were complaining. I merely was highlighting that Mr. Obama and Ms. Pelosi said they wanted to clean up Washington if elected…it was their idea, now they are complaining about the mess, but not sweeping up a spec.

Mark

June 21st, 2010
10:37 am

HDB…Well Obama is leading us into a third world socialist state….and I think you meant ” assimilate into the culture, not climate”….in my travels, I have learned not to always play the America card, kidnapping,robbery and ransom phone calls are known to happen…be careful

Mark

June 21st, 2010
10:40 am

and HDB….I think we should have a National ID card, would classify you as a citizen, permanent resident, etc…see nothing wrong with that….not a police state what so ever

Can't we all just get along?

June 21st, 2010
11:19 am

In all of your rants of hatred toward CT you all forget to realize that this is an OPINION BLOG. She’s not speaking for anyone but herself and allowing all of us to offer our opinions.

Kamchak

June 21st, 2010
1:20 pm

It is still my right to “bitch” about anyone I like…

Never claimed that you didn’t have that right.

…just as it is your right to call names, and judge people for their bad habits (even those shared by most in her time).

Most people “in her time” weren’t sociopaths.

BTW – my point was directed at your complaint that people on the blog let it ride for 24 years, but now were complaining. I merely was highlighting that Mr. Obama and Ms. Pelosi said they wanted to clean up Washington if elected…it was their idea, now they are complaining about the mess, but not sweeping up a spec.

I had no trouble whatsoever understanding what you were highlighting, but what you actually said was:

Kamchak – I believe that Mr. Obama and Ms. Pelosi claimed to be bringing brooms to Washington DC to clean up the mess. Great place to start, I say.

Sounds to me that you were advocating that they be pro-active.

It’s my guess, however, that no matter what they did, you would bitch.

clark

June 21st, 2010
5:23 pm

Cynthia, let me ask you this, do you actually obey any sort of law and order? If you are saying that the children are too young to know anything but to follow their parents then how is that not attract a steady flow of illegal immigration? Because the message is clear: Come to the US any way you can, with child younger than 15, then you’ll be able to stay. I am pretty sure that kids younger than 15 are not able to travel through the desert, inside cargo holds, or on a raft by themselves.
Cynthia, do you actually stand in line for anything? Getting a burger at McDonld’s, waiting in line for a cashier, getting gas, anything?? Believe it or not, there are people around the world right now, staying in line for the immigration process. What do you say to those people obeying the US immigration law? Do you just give them the finger and say “you should have done it the quicker way, have kids and home free, no one stays in lines any more these days”?

As for the Harvard kid, his admission to Harvard needs to be verified. Do you know now many high school kids get rejected by Harvard every year? Do you mean to tell me that the year he was accepted into Harvard, no one else was up to par with this kid, but was not accepted for some reason??

plax

June 22nd, 2010
7:59 am

More insanity from CT I see. Why don’t you fit the bill for their college education then Cynthia? Oh that’s right, you don’t want to actually DO anything for your supposed “causes,” you just want everyone else to.

Amando

June 22nd, 2010
11:54 am

“Immigrants”. This country is a Country of Immigrants. Always keep that in your minds. Not just you were born here you’re not Immigrants. Always remember where you came from??? Only the Natives here are not immigrants.

Sethe

June 23rd, 2010
10:43 pm

Yes, this country was built by immigrants- people who came to this country LEGALLY through Ellis Island. They worked hard and committed themselves to LEARNING THE LANGUAGE of the U.S. and assimilating themselves into our culture.

Most of the illegal immigrants are profiting off of this country at the expense of citizens.

How are they contributing?

Sure, they provide cheap labor, but at what cost to citizens?

They get FREE education, FREE health care, welfare, etc. Not bad for them- no wonder they stay.

Who pays for it? -anyone who pays taxes in this country.

They sure don’t. Ok, maybe they pay some modicum of $ through their stolen social security numbers- from citizens.

Thanks for your contribution?!!

I’m all for letting people come to this country if they do it the LEGAL way, but these people are committing crimes and thumbing their noses at citizens the entire time.

Again, who pays for it? Not Monolito and Jorge!

Anyone who supports illegal immigration has their own hidden selfish agenda- votes or cheap labor.

It makes me sick when people use the excuse “but we’re all immigrants.”

Yes, and we live in a country, a political entity, in the year 2010 that has LAWS.

Follow them or face the consequences.

Unfortunately, the consequences will only happen when our government decides to enforce them, which hasn’t been “any time soon.”

Tamara Hamlin

June 24th, 2010
11:24 am

The vast majority of illegal aliens currently in the Georgia University System came to this country as minors. They did not choose to come here, they were brought, some of them still in diapers. They do not know the schooling system of their native countries, and they don’t have the means to relocate to study in their native countries. It is very mean spirited of us Georgians to punish these young people and not allow them to prepare for their futures. I’d like to ask the Board of Regents who is going to benefit from a creating a system where one segment of society is barred from higher education. I don’t think anyone will benefit. Let them learn and contribute to Georgia and the country as educated folks, not as an uneducated underclass.

Sethe

June 24th, 2010
8:28 pm

It is unfortunate that these children were brought “against their will”; however, they are still not legal citizens.

Showing leniency and allowing them to become citizens would set a bad precedent. It would encourage more people to enter our country illegally with the hopes that their children (and maybe themselves) could also gain this amnesty.

No, we need to draw a line in the sand.

It’s time someone stood up to the massive influx of noncitizens who are benefiting from our country in the most egregious way possible. Soon, citizens will have fewer rights/access to public services than these noncitizens.

It really is a shame that some people would rather focus on helping this “disadvantaged” group of people instead of working on their own country first.

Granny Godzilla

July 6th, 2010
7:50 am

Oh please stop with the Black Panther falsehood!

Fox News, the Black Panthers, and the same old pattern