It’s dumb to block smart kids from going to college, even if they’re here illegally

WASHINGTON — With Americans furious over illegal immigration — Democrats, independents, Republicans and tea partiers — there is little hope for comprehensive immigration reform this year. Incredibly, a majority supports Arizona’s ugly new law, which — no matter what its proponents say — begs for racial profiling.

The harsh political climate may begin to look a bit sunnier as the recession recedes and hiring picks up. In fact, there is room even now for leadership on the issue of illegal immigration.

While 58 percent of Americans support Arizona’s approach, 57 percent of the nation favors allowing undocumented workers a path to citizenship. Voters could probably be persuaded to support comprehensive immigration reform if Democratic leaders made a sustained push for it.

Until that happens, Congress ought to concentrate on a few small bills that would represent a modest improvement over the current reality for millions of those without papers — a life of living in the shadows, without legal protections, with continual fear of deportation and little chance for improved circumstances.

One of the best opportunities lies in the DREAM Act, which would allow promising undocumented students to start a path toward citizenship if they meet certain standards. The proposal — pushed for years by U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) — is intended to boost illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, have finished high school and want to attend college or join the U.S. Armed Forces. The bill is a win not only for those students, but also for the country as a whole.

Much of the fury directed at illegal immigrants feeds off the notion that many of them are unfairly taking advantage of benefits that should be restricted to American citizens. However, that’s not the case with college; undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.

In fact, the United States doesn’t have nearly enough students attending college. President Obama has talked again and again about the country’s decline in educational attainment: the U.S. used to the lead the world in the number of people with college degrees, but we’ve fallen behind.

Our declining educational attainment comes as a structural change in the labor force has made post-secondary education more necessary for middle-class wages. According to Georgetown University researchers, there will be more positions demanding a two-year degree than qualified applicants to fill them by the year 2018.

In that climate, we can hardly afford to obstruct ambitious, hardworking young people who want to attend college and join the great American mainstream. According to some estimates, 65,000 undocumented students graduate from U.S. high schools each year. Why not let them attend college or join the military and then attain permanent legal status?

The DREAM Act doesn’t attempt to determine whether students here illegally should be charged in-state tuition. State legislatures would still be free to charge them the higher out-of-state rate, if they chose.

Nor would the DREAM Act attract a steady stream of illegal border-crossers. It is narrowly tailored for students who entered the country before the age of 15 and have lived here continuously for at least five years.

The act, would, however stop cold the kind of narrow-minded natavism that has gripped Georgia Republicans. According to Atlanta Journal-Constitution columnist Jim Galloway, 14 GOP state senators have demanded that Georgia colleges and universities refuse to accept students without papers.

Georgia has prospered because it has imported college graduates from other states, and it still needs a better eductated workforce. It’s shameful that so many of its elected officials believe it’s critical to deprive students of the opportunity to get a degree just because they entered the country illegally years ago.

It is a sensible proposal that deals with a small part of the problem of illegal immigration. Neverthless, Sen. Durbin seems willing to allow the bill to languish until the Senate takes up comprehensive immigration reform, which seems unlikely this year.

That leaves undocumented achievers such as Jessica Colotl, a student at metro Atlanta’s Kennesaw State University, and Eric Balderas, who attends Harvard, to live with fear and uncertainty. It’s in their best interests to pass the DREAM Act soon — and in the country’s best interests, as well.

416 comments Add your comment

Sam (The Cool 1 )

June 18th, 2010
5:45 pm

The Cisco Kid and Ponchos’ english wasn’t very good. They were still pretty smart. That has got to tell you something. HELLO!

blutto

June 18th, 2010
5:50 pm

Dear Cynthia,

I hope you read the documentation you requested that supports the view that “many are not workers but have committed serious crimes.” While I doubt that it will have much influence on your opinion, it should at least cause you to consider whether the murders, sex offenses and other felonies are worth the benefit of allowing illegal aliens to cross the border unhindered so that they might attend college in the USA.

Urban Republican

June 18th, 2010
5:53 pm

Ms. Tucker:

Can we first solve the issue of Georgians attending Atlanta Public Schools passing the CRCT test legally without liberal members of the teachers union cheating? We have a whole batch of students ripe for graduating from college right here in the ‘good ole U.S. of A’.

Can liberals solve one problem before suggesting and costing more problems?

Past experience of the last amnesty initiative shows that an “influx of illegal immigrants” will come if the borders are left open and unsecured.

Free stuff is an enticement, being here illegally means they did not pay to get in like legal immingrants.

Mr. Right

June 18th, 2010
6:02 pm

CT why don’t you just quit since you don’t have a clue.

Tom

June 18th, 2010
6:04 pm

Why is nothing done to the US employers hiring the illegals? No jobs, they don’t come to US.

Not Blind

June 18th, 2010
6:07 pm

CT,
The whole country is being negatively affected by the whole unrestrained illegal immigration mess but the segment of people most harmed are the black citizens of our country. White or black, the citizens of this country have been sold out by the ‘elites’. One of the main goals of those favoring unrestricted immigration from our southern border is the marginalization of the black citizens of our country.

Mark in mid-town

June 18th, 2010
6:25 pm

ctucker wrote: “This country needs more college graduates to compete with the rest of the world.”

Actually, this is not true. Increasing numbers of astute people are coming to realize that too many people in the United States are going to college, not too few. And that many if not most would be better off going to a 2 year trade or vocational school as there will be more demand in the future for those such jobs than for the jobs which require a college degree or more. Cynthia, you may not realize this, but it’s irrational these days for American citizens to pursue most IT degrees and many engineering degrees. The reason for that is the massive off-shoring and the importing of H1!B and L1 Visa employees so as to displace American STEM (mostly IT) workers. Most such Americans pursuing these degrees would be better off learning how to be a car mechanic.

Scout

June 18th, 2010
6:43 pm

Hey Folks:

I have a great idea !

Why don’t we give an illegal Cynthia’s job ?

Moderate Line

June 18th, 2010
6:47 pm

Until that happens, Congress ought to concentrate on a few small bills that would represent a modest improvement over the current reality for millions of those without papers — a life of living in the shadows, without legal protections, with continual fear of deportation and little chance for improved circumstances.
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That is what happens when you go to country without permission or commit illegal acts.

Scout

June 18th, 2010
6:48 pm

Cynthia:

Did the 750am news lady ever find that “dark” black man rapist from yesterday?

You know, as opposed to the “pale” white one they weren’t looking for?

Moderate Line

June 18th, 2010
6:49 pm

Much of the fury directed at illegal immigrants feeds off the notion that many of them are unfairly taking advantage of benefits that should be restricted to American citizens. However, that’s not the case with college; undocumented students are not displacing bona fide citizens who have been denied a seat in Calculus II.
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Universities have limited funding so technically that is not true.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
6:50 pm

Naturally, the libtard Democrats will want to give criminal illegal aliens in-state tuition or, better yet, free tuition, while working Americans pay full freight.

Why do Democrats hate Americans?

blutto

June 18th, 2010
7:27 pm

jkim: Please validate your source….”

To the extent that any of the information I used is invalid, I stand corrected.

Here are some that appear to be verified. From IBD, March 2005: “”The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003.”

From the Center for Immigration Studies, 2004: “Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That’s a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population.”

From Justice Department statistics, 2000 via Congress: “… over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings.”

And from the GAO (GAO-05-646R), May 9, 2005: “The former Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that as of January 2000 the total unauthorized immigrant population residing in the United States was 7 million. This total includes those who entered the United States illegally and those who entered legally but overstayed their authorized period of stay. A more recent study estimated that there were about 10 million illegal aliens living in the United States as of March 2005.

In our population study of 55,322 illegal aliens, we found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990. They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses. About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. The balance was for such other offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence; fraud–including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and obstruction of justice. Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states–California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.”

Scout

June 18th, 2010
7:51 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout :

They are trying to buy future libeal voters.

We would rather have legal immigrants and try to engage them in our conservative ideas.

Liberals would rather have illegal immigrants and buy them off as they realize they can’t compete in the arena of ideas.

That’s the nuts (Dems.) and bolts (Repubs.) of it.

jim b

June 18th, 2010
8:14 pm

They can go to school, we just don’t want to pay for it!!

There are plenty of smart American kids that can use some help/

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:22 pm

You’re not paying for it jim b. Get a clue moron.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:24 pm

Peadawg

June 18th, 2010
3:52 pm
“Not just dumb, heartless.”

I-L-L-E-G-A-L

You need a new talking point Peadawg.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:26 pm

Who’s dumber? Scout or Peadawg? No matter, either way they’re dumb and dumber. Enjoy your 2 demographic party gents. 20 years from now Republicans won’t be able to buy or steal a national election with just angry old white boys and evangelical talibanistas.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:32 pm

Good luck getting legal immigrants to engage in your racist, bigoted, nativist, and ethnocentric “conservative ideas”. I bet all those LEGAL US CITIZEN children are just slobbering all over themselves for the day they vote for the party that wanted to deport their mom and dad. 2nd and 3rd generation children and grandchildren of the people you closet klansmen love to hate will be the very demographic finishes republicans as a national party.

blutto

June 18th, 2010
8:37 pm

GM: “20 years from now Republicans won’t be able to buy or steal a national election”

I’ve been hearing such nonsense for almost 70 years. One might just as logically say that 20 years from now Democrats will all be in jail for trying to buy and steal elections–or for not paying their taxes. On the other hand, 20 years from now we’ll probably not be able to afford elections, the liberals having spent us all into poverty.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
8:44 pm

GM: 20 years from now Republicans won’t be able to buy or steal a national election with just angry old white boys
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Thirty years from now there will be more parasites than the old white boys can support.

Jack

June 18th, 2010
8:45 pm

Dick Durbin’s has no logical proposals of his own: he’s a mouthpiece for Pelosi.

Jack

June 18th, 2010
8:47 pm

Corrections: Dick Durbin. Not Dick Durbin’s.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:48 pm

Fine by me. I hate white people, but I love their tax dollars.

Roberto

June 18th, 2010
8:48 pm

My native born Latino US citizen parents, former Republicans, have vowed to never again vote Republican as long as that party embraces a bogoted, nativist agenda that targets Latinos or any other minority group. In fact in many of the very large gatherings I have attended that sentiment has been embraced by a large number of former Republican Latino voters. For many of them this Arizona fiasco was the tipping point. Get ready. Legal Latino voters in Georgia are organizing to go after you Republicans in state and local elections here in Georgia. They realize that they, US citizens, could actually be detained while proving citizenship for nothing more than being Latino if you nativist go for a law like that here in Georgia. In the future you Republicans are going to have hell to pay when a million Latino voters in this state go after your state and local candidates.

Georgia loses

June 18th, 2010
8:50 pm

So, in theory you have a blockage in your colon and the only way to save your life is by surgery. Your only choice is a doctor who was an illegal immigrant at birth. Would you rather die than allow this doctor to save your life? Bet you dollars to doughnuts you would accept the illegal immigrant doctor. I think I know the answer, saving your life would be the primary concern. Hate because of race, ethincity,social status drives too many of us, that is until its personal. get over your idiotic bigotry driven assessments. You will never stop the march of progress.

GM

June 18th, 2010
8:51 pm

To the name stealer. Sorry but I am white. But I do hate racists, bigots, and bullies that just have to have someone to hate to pimp votes from the lowest common denominator among us.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
8:52 pm

Roberto sure seems to have a problem with enforcing immigration laws.

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
8:53 pm

I do hate racists, bigots, and bullies that just have to have someone to hate to pimp votes from the lowest common denominator among us.
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I guess you won’t be pulling the lever for Obama in that case.

GM

June 18th, 2010
9:02 pm

Thank you Georgia loses. You nailed it. This whole issue is no more than an effort to exclude future Latino voters rather than trying to sell what has become for Latinos an unsellable Republican party. Instead of becoming inclusive Republicans want to exclude. Unfortunately for them they can’t turn back the clock 50 years. Thank God for that. And btw, why in the hell are Republican candidates for governor arguing overs gays like it’s the most compelling thing going in this country. That’s the kind of crap that is destroying th Republican party. And furthermore, watch Marco Rubio get his azz kicked in Florida. All Republicans care about is a dark ages social agenda that more and more Americans don’t even care about. Does anyone recall that Republican politician that advocated forcing victims of rape and incest to have the baby in a recent forum in Rome, Ga.?

Roberto

June 18th, 2010
9:04 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout

June 18th, 2010
8:52 pm
Roberto sure seems to have a problem with enforcing immigration laws.

I have a problem being assumed “illegal” just because I am Latino. What does an “illegal” look like Lil Barry?

Sam Shoemaker

June 18th, 2010
9:07 pm

Yeah Lil Barry. What does an illegal look like. How do we know you’re not illegal Lil Barry? Tell us please. What sets you apart from the almost 1 million US citizen Latinos right here in Georgia?

ACT

June 18th, 2010
9:12 pm

You know the answer to that Sam. But maybe he’ll have the cojones to come right out with it. You have to be the right color to qualify to be profiled or not be profiled.

blutto

June 18th, 2010
9:15 pm

Roberto: “In the future you Republicans are going to have hell to pay when a million Latino voters in this state go after your state and local candidates.”

While the Democrats will try to con Latinos into buying into the victim agenda, I doubt that it will work. As for “… they, US citizens, could actually be detained while proving citizenship for nothing more than being Latino,” you are misinformed. Likewise, you refer to the “Arizona fiasco” which is nothing more than a State copying an existing federal law, the federal failure to enforce the border having prompted its passage.

Dan Moore

June 18th, 2010
9:20 pm

Cynthia you really have a knack for getting the local klan klavern riled with your blogs. It’s tragic that there is still this kind of racism, bigotry, and hate in this state. Fortunately ye old hooded ones like blutto, scout, Lil Barry, and those of their ilk are headed for the margins of society at warp speed. Demographics just don’t give folks like them too much hope does it?

Dan Moore

June 18th, 2010
9:23 pm

blutto, you are blowing BS. If a citizen Latino is picked up he will definately be detained while his citizenship is checked. I guess they just let them go while they run down to the station to check their status huh, dumbazz?

LegalEagle

June 18th, 2010
9:28 pm

Watch how fast that “Arizona fiasco” which is nothing more than a State copying an existing federal law” gets declared unconstutional when the first challenge gets to a federal courtroom blutto.

blutto

June 18th, 2010
9:28 pm

Dan Moore: “Fortunately ye old hooded ones like blutto….”

Listen genius.. When I want to talk to a “Latino” I talk to my grandsons. You and others have spent most of the evening calling everyone who thinks we have a problem with illegal aliens such terms as bigot, racist, dumb,, moron, hater, idiotic and klansmen.

How very liberal of you.

Those of you liberals who claim to speak for Latinos are

YouGottaBeKiddin

June 18th, 2010
9:36 pm

So I guess a US citizen Latino out jogging in his little shorts and a tee shirt, no ID that let’s say….jayruns. Cop stops him for the jayrunning. He’s Latino…fits the profile gets ask for his “proof”. What happens then blutto. Do they just let him stand on the corner and wait while they go downtown to check his status? The honor system? Hell no! He gets detained. Why should a Latino jogger have to strap his ID to his leg and others don’t?

What does an “illegal” even look like blutto. Man up moron. What does one look like? How would a cop determine who gets checked?

blutto

June 18th, 2010
9:37 pm

Dan Moore,

I see that you still only carry childish little names in your purse so I’ll say goodnight. It is probably way past your bedtime, anyway.

Legal Eagle,

Federal Courts may decide that you are right. They may not.

YouGottaBeKiddin

June 18th, 2010
9:38 pm

Man up blutto. What does “illegal” look like. Until you get the guts to answer that question your credibility is zero.

YouGottaBeKiddin

June 18th, 2010
9:40 pm

Goodnight blutto. Take the cowards way out. When the going gets tough go to bed.

In case you are still trolling: What does an “illegal” look like?

blutto

June 18th, 2010
9:42 pm

YouGottaBeKiddin,

Childish names from you too, I see. Go and, rather than your bedtime story, have mommy read you the Arizona law and then get back to me. If you think that police–when stopping anyone for a violation–do not ask for identification, then you need to get out more. Goodnight.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
9:42 pm

Can someone here tell me how a cop will know who’s papers to check? If there is some magic secret formula I’d like to know because right know I don’t know what an illegal looks like. Help please.

joan

June 18th, 2010
9:44 pm

you are a great one to call anyone else dumb. These are illegals and should be barred from coming into this country, and if they are here and don’t have paperwork, they should be sent back where they came from (on their own feet–that is how they got here!). We need to secure the borders. We need jobs, and we need money for our own legal citizenry. We have old, and sick people in homes that can’t get adequate funding. We have children in this country who would like to be able to go to college too, and can’t afford it, and don’t know how to “work” the system like the illegals. Get rid of them and quit crying all over them. You and other liberals will tank this country.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
9:44 pm

blutto, you being such an expert and all. Please tell me what an illegal looks like. I am very confused.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
9:45 pm

Will a white jogger with no ID get hauled down to the station to have his citizenship verified? If not, why?

joan

June 18th, 2010
9:45 pm

In my opinion, a state that is suffering from illegals due to the failure of the federal government to enforce its laws, ought to have the right to defend itself. We have police to defend us from criminals, but if one comes in my home I will pop him. That is self defense. Go Arizona!

joan

June 18th, 2010
9:46 pm

Cindy, common sense better start kicking in in this country or we will be doomed by people like you.

Cindy

June 18th, 2010
9:49 pm

What does an illegal look like joan. Why will nobody answer that question. Can me help me joan. In Arizona does a white person with ni ID have to be detained while their citizenship is verified? If not why would anyone be detained. All I want to know is who gets checked and who doesn’t if they can’t show ID. Please tell me.