The end is near for “don’t ask, don’t tell”

It seems that the United States is on the verge of marking another milestone in the nation’s long march toward full equality for all of its citizens: the repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’. Because of a deal negotiated among the White House, gay activists and the Pentagon, Congress could vote on a repeal this week, leaving actual implementation of the policy for next year, after the Pentagon has completed its study on how repeal will affect troop ‘readiness.’ From the WaPo:

President Obama has endorsed a “don’t ask, don’t tell” compromise between lawmakers and the Defense Department, the White House announced Monday, an agreement that may sidestep a key obstacle to repealing the military’s policy banning gay men and lesbians from serving openly in the armed forces.
The compromise was finalized in meetings Monday at the White House and on Capitol Hill. Lawmakers will now, within days, vote on amendments that would repeal the Clinton-era policy, with a provision ensuring that any change would not take effect until after the Pentagon completes a study about its impact on troops. That study is due to Congress by Dec. 1.

In a letter to lawmakers pushing for a legislative repeal, White House budget director Peter Orszag wrote Monday that the administration “supports the proposed amendment.”

“Such an approach recognizes the critical need to allow our military and their families the full opportunity to inform and shape the implementation process through a thorough understanding of their concerns, insights and suggestions,” he wrote.

Still, it’s not clear that there are enough votes in Congress to end the odious DADT policy. Opposition remains even though — as the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Adm. Mike Mullen, has eloquently testified —forcing gay soldiers and sailors to remain in the closet tarnishes “integrity — theirs as individuals and ours as an institution.”

Sen. John McCain, who once favored ending the policy, has reversed himself — as he has on so many principled stands he took in the past. Sen. Saxby Chambliss has trotted out the hackneyed idea that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly would damage the military: “The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would very likely create an unacceptable risk to those high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and effective unit cohesion and effectiveness, ” he said.

That’s nonsense. Israel allows gays and lesbians to serve openly, and few would dispute that it is among the finest fighting forces in the modern world. That’s why Mullen and Gates, among other Pentagon leaders, are ready to get on board.

Whether Congress ends the policy this year or next, DADT is on its way out.

282 comments Add your comment

Granny Godzilla

May 25th, 2010
7:52 am

The sooner the better!

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
7:54 am

It was a stupid rule to begin with. The only think I’m worried about is the possible distractions it may cause w/ion the barracks and what-not. But, yes, it should be repealed.

Tommy Maddox

May 25th, 2010
7:59 am

Anybody ask the enlisted folks their opinion?

ctucker

May 25th, 2010
8:03 am

Tommy Maddox, The Pentagon is in the process of doing so — not that the military is a democracy.

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
8:05 am

“Tommy Maddox, The Pentagon is in the process of doing so — not that the military is a democracy.”

True, but you would think the Congress would be interested in what the people who are protecting the rights of this country have to say about it, ya think?

about time

May 25th, 2010
8:10 am

I’d much rather serve with a gay guy than Saxby Chambliss.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 25th, 2010
8:25 am

DADT should also be enacted for those involved in other “different” pratices. We MUST be fair to ALL!!

Jen

May 25th, 2010
8:27 am

awake

May 25th, 2010
8:31 am

Going to pass the bill THEN determine its impact on readiness. Another Obama mistake another nail in our coffin.

Byron Mathison Kerr

May 25th, 2010
8:35 am

Tommy Maddox @ 7:59 am wrote:
“Anybody ask the enlisted folks their opinion?”

Including the ones who are gay?

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
8:37 am

awake, kinda like the HC bill. “We have to pass it to see what’s in it”

Pluto

May 25th, 2010
8:43 am

Has anyone determined the need for such a policy in the military. How many gays and lesbians are out there that truly desire to serve their country in this capacity? Are they just knocking the doors to enlist? What is the the true motivation behind all of this institutional revision. At the end of the day will it even make a pinch of poodle poop in the snowbank of a difference. This is merely political payback for a constituency.

Byron Mathison Kerr

May 25th, 2010
8:46 am

Living Under the Constant Fear of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”:

“… I lived in constant fear serving under ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.’ I was always looking over my shoulder, censoring what I said and keeping as much physical distance as possible between my military life and my personal life.

Even with this vigilance, I was found out by some male ‘friends’ at my first duty assignment. I was just 19 years old. The deal was simple: Perform sexual favors and my secret was safe. …”

Shameful!

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
8:49 am

“The deal was simple: Perform sexual favors and my secret was safe. …””

Gross. The men who did that should be kicked out.

kayaker 71

May 25th, 2010
8:51 am

Awake,

Yes, let’s pass the bill first and then see what effect that it has on the enlisted men/women in the military. Once it is passed, it will be hard to repeal if it is not working. For all of the do gooders like CT and most of our Congress, this is just a feel good type of bill meant to “create a level playing field” or “make everyone equal”. But to the enlisted, who have to live with it every day, it could be a disaster. Remember, we have an all volunteer force. These people don’t have to sign up. Keep in mind that the gay lifestyle is not the lifestyle of choice for the majority of Americans, just like the Health Care Bill wasn’t the favorite of the electorate. But Bozo doesn’t listen to the American majority, does he? He is hell bent on shaping America in his own image no matter what America thinks.

JKL2

May 25th, 2010
8:53 am

Good thing our country is running so smoothly that Obama has nothing better to worry about…

Auburn Fan

May 25th, 2010
8:54 am

Who cares if it is a problem? The most important thing is getting gays to vote Democrat.

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
8:58 am

“Keep in mind that the gay lifestyle is not the lifestyle of choice”

You really want to go there this morning? It IS a lifestyle choice.

Byron Mathison Kerr

May 25th, 2010
8:58 am

kayaker 71 @ 8:51 am wrote:
“… Keep in mind that the gay lifestyle is not the lifestyle of choice for the majority of Americans…”

Being gay is a sexual orientation. It is not a lifestyle choice for anybody.

Stupidity, Gay Marriage, and the Evolution of Religion

kayaker 71

May 25th, 2010
9:00 am

Peadawg,

Yes, it is a lifestyle choice but not the choice of the majority of Americans, just like I said above. You took my comments out of context.

kayaker 71

May 25th, 2010
9:03 am

Kerr,

If being gay is not a lifestyle choice, what the hell is it? Living with another person, having sexual relations with that person, sharing failures and successes, possibly raising children… but doing all of that with a person of the same sex. Seems like a lifestyle choice to me.

Some People are stupid

May 25th, 2010
9:05 am

wow..didn’t know that equality thing only applied to majority decisions.
The majority supported seperate but equal back in the day so I guess that made it ok.

lovelyliz

May 25th, 2010
9:07 am

As someon who has served in the US Navy, let me assure you that gays have been serving as honorably as the rest of us.

If you have been in the military any time since day 1, you have served beside homosexuals. Just because they didn’t some on to you, doesn’t meant they weren’t gay.

Byron Mathison Kerr

May 25th, 2010
9:07 am

Peadawg @ 8:49 am wrote:
“Gross. The men who did that should be kicked out.”

Discrimination policies such as DADT are seen as an invitation by blackmailers. This is nothing new. The British film Victim (1961) addressed the issue almost 50 years ago.

Some People are stupid

May 25th, 2010
9:07 am

Kayaker-
If thats the case then being straight is a lifestyle choice as well.

lovelyliz

May 25th, 2010
9:08 am

Beuing gay is as much a lifestyle choice as is being straight.

Gays choose to be homosexual as much as straights choose to be heterosexual.

Bob

May 25th, 2010
9:10 am

Wasn’t DADT a directive instead of a law ?

Kamchak

May 25th, 2010
9:10 am

…but doing all of that with a person of the same sex. Seems like a lifestyle choice to me.

So when, exactly, did you make a conscious decision to eschew same sex attraction and choose the hetero lifestyle?

Byron Mathison Kerr

May 25th, 2010
9:13 am

kayaker 71 @ 9:03 am wrote:
“If being gay is not a lifestyle choice, what the hell is it? …”

For the last time: A sexual orientation!

Try actually reading the article previously provided. It should clear up the confusion.

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
9:16 am

“So when, exactly, did you make a conscious decision to eschew same sex attraction and choose the hetero lifestyle?”

I’ve answered this question before and I’ll answer for you again: The first time I struggled to take the browns to the superbowl. I knew then that nothing that big could ever go the other way.

Gayalien

May 25th, 2010
9:17 am

Heavens to Mergatroid!

Pluto

May 25th, 2010
9:19 am

Let’s see; I choose to be in a monogamous heterosexual relationship because I believe that choice is best for the perpetuation of the society that I am a part. Some people choose to be in relationships that just don’t make any sense to me and want to impose their will on the rest of society and demand acceptance. I love all God’s children but don’t think your choice will be tolerated by all.

kayaker 71

May 25th, 2010
9:20 am

Kerr,

That is nothing but double talk. Each person, whether gay or straight, chooses to be who they are and what kind of lifestyle they will have. If they choose to be sexually oriented with someone of the same sex, it is a choice, most often affecting lifestyle about as profoundly as anythng I can think of.

Jeff Fryer.

May 25th, 2010
9:23 am

GAY: CHOICE?

If being gay is a choice, then that means all people are capable of being gay, or else it can’t be considered a choice, or even a sin worse than heterosexual activity outside the bounds of marriage.

It does make the choice to go straight even more self aggrandizing and heroic, however.

Do people make a choice to be delusional?

Byron Mathison Kerr

May 25th, 2010
9:26 am

kayaker 71 @ 9:20 am wrote:
“… Each person, whether gay or straight, chooses to be who they are and what kind of lifestyle they will have. …”

Actually, this type of choice would only be possible for people who have a bisexual sexual orientation. Perhaps that is what gives you the perspective you have on the subject.

ctucker

May 25th, 2010
9:27 am

kayaker 71, I was about to respond, but Jeff Fryer did an excellent job in my stead.

Gridlock

May 25th, 2010
9:28 am

Being gay is NOT a lifestyle choice. Don’t be a retard.

You don’t choose your sexual orientation. Straight people don’t wake up and DECIDE to be straight, and neither do gays.

If it was a choice, why would so many gays who get bashed, assaulted, kicked out of their homes, and otherwise not simply CHOOSE to be straight? That never gets answered.

You can’t be gay anymore than a gay person can be straight. Don’t be so freaking ignorant.

ctucker

May 25th, 2010
9:28 am

Pluto, You CHOSE to be straight? So you could have gone either way but you chose to be heterosexual?

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
9:30 am

Gridlock, Cynthia, others…you ever been constipated? It’s hurts trying to get it out. Why would someone want something to go the other way??? That doesn’t make since to me.

PearlJam

May 25th, 2010
9:35 am

I’m not getting it:
Will this change require that all have to state their sexual preference when joining the Military. I don’t why the Military would be forced to “ASK”.

Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was moderate solution to two extreme views, All Obama is doing is replacing a moderate solution with extreme left way.

Don’t Ask Don’t tell helped gays, getting rid of this will not do them any good, When they come out in the open in the Military

Gayalien

May 25th, 2010
9:37 am

Peadawg, What’s up with your anal fixation? Why do you make so many references to bowel movements?

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
9:39 am

“Peadawg, What’s up with your anal fixation? Why do you make so many references to bowel movements?”

I was just answering their questions. The back door is ‘Exit Only’.

Kamchak

May 25th, 2010
9:39 am

I’ve answered this question before and I’ll answer for you again…

So…when your mama finally removed your diaper, you had an epiphany on human sexual relations.
I’m gonna have to put this in the Penthouse forum letters category—unless of course you just recently graduated to pull-ups.

PearlJam

May 25th, 2010
9:41 am

Gridlock – There are plenty of people who were at one time homosexual, but choose to become heterosexual. Even a lot of homosexuals were at one time heterosexual.

Anyone can choose anytime they want. People are persecuted for their religion and put up with it, it was still a choice of theirs.

Pluto

May 25th, 2010
9:41 am

Yes indeed I chose to be straight; just like a chose not to be promiscous or hang out at bath houses. I don’t simply act on urges but must think of the consequences of my actions.

kayaker 71

May 25th, 2010
9:42 am

Kerr,

Nope, as my gay friend from Panama used to say, “He is disgustingly straight”. I have known a number of gay males and females while serving in the military, both civilian and active duty. Most seemed pretty satisfied with their lives and felt like their choice to live as they did was the one for them. Relating their gay “lifestyle” to yours is something of a stretch. You have much less privacy as an enlisted man/’woman. It is improving with the addition of new barracks and private apartment like quarters as opposed to open bay barracks, as in the past, but you still live in somewhat of a fishbowl. Most everyone knows most everything you do and your activities are carefully scrutinized by those around you. Unless a gay active duty soldier is very careful, his “lifestyle” will be quickly outed.
The big questions center around how it will affect other soldiers and their perception of gay soldiers. You might call a majority of enlisted, especially in the combat arms, as “homophobic” by your standards. Why do you think that Gates wants a year to have a look at this. Most of the people who are adamantly in favor of this circus have never spent a day in the military and know nothing about it. Another “feel good” proclamation that looks good on the political resume and garners votes from some sectors but questionably does any good for the whole of the military at large.

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
9:42 am

“Gridlock – There are plenty of people who were at one time homosexual, but choose to become heterosexual. Even a lot of homosexuals were at one time heterosexual.”

No, no. They were gay or straight to begin with. They just hadn’t realized it yet. *rolls eyes*

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 25th, 2010
9:48 am

Good morning all. I respectfully dissent.

The value of “don’t ask, don’t tell” has nothing to do with “keeping homos in their place,” nor any other such nonsense. Rather it is a clear direction, to gays and straights alike, to keep sexuality out of the workplace.

Homosexuals are not like normal people, in that they all-too-often wear their sexuality on their collective sleeve. Having a bunch of flaming queens prancing around will depress morale among the serious-minded people in or out of military. I say this with full congnizance of the military’s unique mission, and notwithstanding the well-established fact that homosexuals are the most vicious killers in our society, usually using some heinous calling card. That trait does not uniquely qualify homosexuals to be marines.

In contrast to leftist sensibilities, I would prefer to see something akin to “don’t ask, don’t tell” spread throughout society, as it works as a discipline, to keep focus on the job, and away from personal predilections, whether gay or straight.

casual observer

May 25th, 2010
9:50 am

It is obvious to the most casual observer the rush is on to pass as many wacko left wing bills prior to the big change in November. This is the first administration that has governed against the will of the people. So therefore there is urgency. Refer to the Navy Times and get an example of what people that are serving in the Military think about this legislation. It is forcing another ideal on an American institution that has been very successfull in the past 300 years.The military is no place to conduct social experiments or to come clean on campaign promises that helped an election. Besides they lied about many, many things. These people are incompetent and dangerous look at the bungling of the oil spill going on right now. Where is the media??? Unemployment and deficets are at all time high where is the media? The stimulus package was a complete failure where is the media? The corruption and backroom pay offs during passing of a huge entitlement like Healthcare,. Where is the media? Awarding cabinet positions to politicans that drop out of races. Where is the media? An America hating attorney general that can’t even admitt radical islam is trying to destroy our way of life. Where is the media? A state that is being overun and “out flanked” by illigal mexicans and the president and the attorney general whine about a law that’s passed and they haven’t even read it. Where is the media?

Go Help us

blutto

May 25th, 2010
9:50 am

Economy continuing to deteriorate. Unemployment still growing. Spending and debt out of control. Oil continuing to pollute the coast. Terrorism managing to thrive on US soil. Illegal immigration bankrupting State budgets. Foreign policy in tatters and making the USA a laughingstock among enemies and friends alike. Iran developing nukes and threatening to use them. War on the Korean peninsula a very real possibility. Europe collapsing under the weight of its socialism.

So what is this administration doing? Attempting to copy Europe’s mistakes. Talking of fiscal responsibility while using the federal budget as a giant political slush fund. Funding unnecessary government “jobs” while constricting the private sector, the only source of real jobs and real wealth. Trash talking against Arizona, a State attempting to do for itself what the federal government should but will not do. Refusing to call Islamic Terrorism what it is. Playing nice with our enemies while insulting our allies. Promoting an arms limitation treaty that limits us while giving potential enemies a green light to re-arm. Studying solutions to the oil in the Gulf and alternatively threatening and applauding BP’s efforts but otherwise demonstrating helplessness. Creating new banking regulations that neither solves the problem nor prevents new ones. Increasing taxes.

A clueless administration and Congress focused like a laser beam on DADT, payoffs to unions and cronies and bending over for every thug and dictator in the world. November cannot get here too soon.