With Rand Paul, tea party movement continues to defy common sense

Tuesday’s primaries in several states are being dubbed a mini-Super Tuesday, with not only Democratic mid-term prospects on the line but also the ballot-box strength of the tea party movement getting a major test. Among the more fascinating primaries is the GOP Senate contest in Kentucky, where it seems that tea party favorite Rand Paul, son of GOP congressman Ron Paul, will easily win over conventional Republican Trey Grayson.
If Paul wins the primary, he will serve as fuel for the GOP’s continuing self-immolation. If he wins the election in Nov., he will serve as proof that Kentucky voters don’t take their politics all that seriously.
Paul has run a campaign in which he has tried to distance himself from some of his father’s nuttier views, but he still occupies a space far outside the mainstream. He has said, for example, that a nuclear-armed Iran poses no threat to our national security. (See video below.)

Some of his views fit comfortably inside the borders of the GOP right wing. From the WaPo:

Paul’s campaign stops are feisty affairs at which supporters hoot and cheer as he weaves his personal biography and a list of grievances with Washington into a populist call to arms. The founder of the antitax organization Kentucky Taxpayers United, Paul rails against what he describes as Washington’s unsustainable spending, crippling debt, career politicians with no term limits, a “socialist” health-care law and a failure to close the nation’s borders to illegal immigrants.
He has become a national hero of the tea party movement by opposing new taxes and deficit spending and supporting such ideas as the abolition of the Department of Education and amending the Constitution so that children born in the United States to illegal immigrants would no longer become citizens automatically. A victory for him on Tuesday would further energize a movement already pumped up by the defeat of Sen. Robert F. Bennett in Utah’s Republican primary last weekend.

“Greece is defaulting right now on their debt,” he told the breakfast group. “One of the next things you’ll see is chaos on the streets. You’ll see violence. . . . And it can happen even in America if we’re not careful.”

But other views of his do not:

But Paul’s libertarian streak could lead to breaks with conservatives on some issues. He opposed the war in Iraq. He has spoken in favor of legalizing marijuana for medical purposes. A pro-Grayson advocacy group, trying to portray Paul as out of step with mainstream Republicans, is running a television ad featuring a chiming cuckoo clock.

Paul has reversed his stance on closing Guantanamo Bay, now declaring that he it should be kept open. But he was on the record as recently as last year saying that it should be shut down and that it had damaged America’s reputation abroad. (I think closing Gitmo is a fine idea, but most GOP voters do not.)
As former Bush speechwriter David Frum puts it:

While Rand Paul has delicately edged away from his father’s most provocative statements, he still makes regular appeals to his father’s extremist voting base. Rand Paul gives interviews to 9/11 conspiracy monger Alex Jones and solicits Jones’ fans for money. Jones in turn praises Rand Paul as the “real McCoy.”

Rand Paul’s last-minute conversion to tough-on-terrorism is not very credible. He has been caught on videotape denying the threat to U.S. national security posed by an Iranian nuclear weapon.

Rand Paul makes common cause with left-wing antiwar protesters. He has repeated his father’s view that 9/11 was some kind of logical response to U.S. foreign policy.

Ultimately, Rand Paul is a walking target for Democratic negative ads in a closely divided state with a culture of commitment to national security. But right now running the country – or even winning elections – is not a top-of-mind concern for many Republicans. They are voting to send a message, and it’s no time to be fussy about the background, competence, associations, and inner convictions of the messengers.

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Peadawg

May 17th, 2010
8:44 am

“tea party movement continues to defy common sense”

Because you don’t agree with it? Because it doesn’t defend illegal immigrants? Because it doesn’t have the same beliefs as you? Because it isn’t in line with your so-called “common sense”? Gotcha!

Quick response to lasts weeks “The U.S. needs college students like Jessica Colotl”:
No, we don’t need more students on lie on the college application so they can be accepted. We need more people like Rima Fakih who won Miss America. She’s a Lebanese American who did it the RIGHT way.

lovelyliz

May 17th, 2010
8:44 am

Sounds like another political celebrity.

Jimmy62

May 17th, 2010
8:47 am

At least he doesn’t think Austrian is a language, like our dear ignorant leader, and his even more ignorant VP. And he’s for small government, even if I disagree with his weak foreign policy stances.

joan

May 17th, 2010
8:51 am

Rand Paul is representing a larger, and growing constituency of disgruntled taxpayers who are seeing our country taken for a ride by the Chicago machine into an unsustainable downward spiral. The tea party movement makes all the sense. If you had any concept of economics, or took your head out of the sand for a moment, and looked at what happens to entitlement countries and states that have out of control welfare, pensions, government benefits you would know we are on a doomsday path if this government doesn’t cut back drastically on spending, and part of that entails curbing the tide of illegals.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 17th, 2010
8:54 am

It will be so enjoyable watching Arlen Sphincter to down in flames.

Mid-South Philosopher

May 17th, 2010
8:56 am

Good morning, Miss Cynthia,

Methinks there is an element of this situation that the preponderance of the pundits and political writers are missing.

While there are a lot of “Tea Party” people and there are a lot of radical conservatives who have made the news over the past year, the real danger to the social Democrats and the the progressives is (and GOD, I never thought I would ever sound like Richard Nixon!) a vast “silent majority.”

These folks understand far more about the political system than most of the mouthy radicals, and many of these folks have “read” the legislation that the members of Congress (many of whom have not read) have passed. What the “silent majority” is “urinated-off” about is the total “arrogance” of our elected leaders. When scientific polls demonstrate that various issues are NOT approved by the majority and the elected representatives discount that data, you can “bet your sweet bippy” that the “silent majority” voters will remember.

I suspect the defeat of social Democrats will be greater than expected in the fall. This troubles me. The only thing I fear more than a “social Democrat” is a “corporatist Republican”…both are political diseases to be avoided!

saywhat?

May 17th, 2010
8:58 am

“tea party movement continues to defy common sense”?

That seems a little generous, to say the least. The teatards would actually have to know what common sense is in order to defy it. They are just a bunch of easily led sheep being manipulated by rightwing PR firms to throw tantrums over whatever overblown trumped up nonsense passes as the latest poutrage. Pathetic.

Peadawg

May 17th, 2010
9:00 am

saywhat?, kinda like the way the media built up Obama and convinced/manipulated people to vote for him for? Nevermind he didn’t have enough experience.

Brutus

May 17th, 2010
9:03 am

Funny. Neither the writer of the post nor the quoted detractors give any counter-arguments to Rand’s positions. They only state his position and throw on an ad hominem. And none of the post even considers that maybe, just maybe given that the country is bankrupt and that people’s eyes are opened to the awful Federal Reserve, Republican’s and other voters are realizing what’s really important.

Is a country that hasn’t attacked anyone in several hundred years really more of a threat than a government that is plunging us into depression while handing our money to its pet industries?

Is medical marijuana so terrible that it should be an issue that trumps the destruction of the currency that we are forced to use?

Rand Paul’s success is strong evidence that Kentucky actually IS taking its politics seriously, rather than being distracted by issues that are made to be much bigger than they really are. It is also strong evidence that they believe liberty is paramount. The trends show that such is something you should probably get used to.

Granny Godzilla

May 17th, 2010
9:04 am

I’d be perfectly happy with a Rand Paul win.

I imagine McConnell, Steele and the NRSC might be growing nervous.

It’s a good thing.

Bob

May 17th, 2010
9:04 am

Cynthia, Below is a link to an Obama speech where he states that Iran, Cuba and others are no threat, just tiny little countries. I bet if we had time, we could find proof of you agreeing with Obo. Now you bash someone running for office for stating the same thing.
http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew5qP2oPdtQ

Rev Al Sharptongue

May 17th, 2010
9:07 am

I like watching the tea party crowd squirm.
The clowns they are trying to elect will not pass muster in a diverse society like ours.
They constantly talk about the government going against the wishes of the people, yet they lost the last election and they only represent 18% of the population.
They may take some seats from other Republicans but most other Americans do not buy into their tired bigoted beliefs.
This latest immigration scuffle along with the supreme court nomination of Sotomayor will bring the legal Hispanic voters out in droves.

Bob

May 17th, 2010
9:08 am

saywhat, pathetic is the fact that when the tea party people protested Obocare, they knew more about the bill than the reps pushing it. Kinda like our pardon selling Atty. Gen. that calls the AZ immigration bill unconstitutional and then admits that he has not read the 10 page bill, that’s pathetic.

X

May 17th, 2010
9:08 am

So the only support Tucker has that Rand Paul can’t win the general election comes from David Frum? The same guy who though the Bush administration would bring in an era of permanent Republican dominance and that Rudy would win the the presidency in 2008? FYI to Tucker and Frum: just because you don’t like conservatives (aside from their fellow neocons) doesn’t mean that nobody does.

Joel

May 17th, 2010
9:12 am

Change- yes it is coming. If one could annul a Presidency, the country would do it. How bad do you have to be to cause this action- pretty bad. Last weeks blogs demonstrated that the far left incorrectly view themselves as the moral beacon of the country. I assume as your wonderful child (I say that in full sincerity) Ms. Tucker grows you will see that you want her to receive what is her due her and your hard work. You will realize that sharing is good and moral, but it too has bounds.

X

May 17th, 2010
9:15 am

Has anyone else noticed that after eight years of pretending to oppose the Bush administration, liberals like Tucker have turned into his biggest supporters? Could it be that there really isn’t much difference between the neoconservative-left and the liberal-left?

spinnikerca

May 17th, 2010
9:17 am

You say: ” He has said, for example, that a nuclear-armed Iran poses no threat to our national security. ”

That isn’t true. He doesn’t say it poses NO threat. At the time he was saying that, people were proposing going in to fight to PREVENT there from even being any bombs. This was before Iran (recently) became able to refine its own gasoline. He was saying the fear of one bomb ALONE wasn ‘t ‘a threat’ (clearly meaning, not a threat sufficient to immediately start a preventative war to stop, under the circumstances of that day), when they didn’t have delivery ability, etc.

War needs a more thoughtful approach than it seems to get, is what he is saying, as well as a declaration of war under the Constitution.

Moderate Line

May 17th, 2010
9:17 am

If Paul wins the primary, he will serve as fuel for the GOP’s continuing self-immolation. If he wins the election in Nov., he will serve as proof that Kentucky voters don’t take their politics all that seriously.

They are voting to send a message, and it’s no time to be fussy about the background, competence, associations, and inner convictions of the messengers.
+++++++++++++++
Statements like these are more revealing of Cynthia than they are of Rand Pual.

I believe many people said the same things about the left when they voted for an inexperience senator from Illinois.

I gain nothing of value in reading this post.

Rony

May 17th, 2010
9:18 am

Yeah continue the path of destruction With Grayson and his lobbyists to furthur banktrupt the country.

The Tea party is very stupid ..we must print a few trillion dollars more to further kill the dollar and hope China and the rest of the world keeps stocking them up to prevent hyperinflation.. yeah lets stick with the establishment they have done so well..

Rev Al Sharptongue

May 17th, 2010
9:19 am

Bob

May 17th, 2010
9:08 am

saywhat, pathetic is the fact that when the tea party people protested Obocare, they knew more about the bill than the reps pushing it. Kinda like our pardon selling Atty. Gen. that calls the AZ immigration bill unconstitutional and then admits that he has not read the 10 page bill, that’s pathetic.

**Yea like the death panels, what page is that on? You guys did not read squat you heard a bunch of misinformation. You like to believe that no one in congress read the bill, but we know that is more right wing lies.**

**Its the whole intellectual dishonesty thing from the right wing that most rational people see right through. Even though they know something is factually wrong they will continue to lie and distort to no end. A real irrational and cowardly way to go through life**

Scout

May 17th, 2010
9:20 am

Cynthia:

Headline: “Arab-American From Michigan Crowned 2010 Miss USA”

Hummmmm …………. she said she and her family celebrate both the Muslim and Christian faiths. The problem is Muslims believe you can never convert. The jihadists won’t be happy about this and you know what that means.

Peadawg

May 17th, 2010
9:21 am

Good point, Moderate Line.

Road Scholar

May 17th, 2010
9:22 am

Peadawg, good morning. From your post above I assume you liked McCain. I did too….in 2000. Now, he appears to be out of control, disorganized (reports from his Washington’s staff), and maybe losing it mentally. i.e. “I never considered myself a Maverick” ? His pick of Sarah Palin was the last straw.

As for defying “common sense”; it’s politics…so why the surprise? The Tea party is serving its purpose…. to hear from our citizens as to their concerns…real or not. They do have some good points and questions on immigration, budget prioritization, taxes,… Even though I do not agree with some, they have the right to organize and create a real dialogue that is not coming from the politicians, as long as it is based on real facts.

The next time I hear a reporter ask, esp a Repub , a question of why they oppose any legislation, the reporter should insist on them answering what do they want to see…in detail. This hurling negative statements, encouraging half truths (death squads for instance), and providing no detais on what they support (esp when legislation proposed is rooted in their past proposals) is disengenuous if not lying.

Russ555

May 17th, 2010
9:22 am

The tea party seems one sided. They complain but don’t offer solutions.
I agree with them that we can’t maintain a long term budget deficit, and major cuts need to be made to avoid disaster by 2020. But along with cuts in spending taxes will have to be raised.
But, they complain about big governement and paying taxes, but when a crisis hits, like the oil spill, they complain that government should have prevented it. You can’t have it both ways. Some business and industry reguire regulations, audits and inspections, and to do that we need to pay taxes and hire government employees.
We elect our congressman to pass needed laws and regulations. And the executive branch needs employees and agencies to catch and punish those that violate.
Governement and laws are not to force people to obey the law, but to catch and punish those who do. (can;t remember who said that, but it’s a quote that should be credited)

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 17th, 2010
9:23 am

Good morning all. I fully endorse the views of our friend MidSouth @ 8:56 above. A couple of months ago, when Dick Morris first began to forecast a “blow-out” in November, I thought it hyperbole to sell a book. While I acknowledge regarding poli-sci as a voodoo science, I believe Morris is a genius and greatly admire his track record. Like our friend MidSouth, I sense a potential blow-out in November. Strangely Karl Rove says the Republican victories will not be overwhelming; playing down expectations?

The reason for the heightened expectations – the growing success of the tea party movement. My only regret is that we could not find someone to run on such an agenda for the Republican Senate nomination in Georgia. We have the last of the big National Republican spender-Senators ensconced in this state.

Russ555

May 17th, 2010
9:24 am

Scout – don’t lump all Muslims together. Most are reasonable, sane people. Miss USA and her family are a good example.

Dee keith

May 17th, 2010
9:24 am

I was in favor of closing Guantanamo Bay before this brand of conservatism came along. I now agree with Rand Paul we should keep it open and start housing people like him in it. I disagree with David Frum’s politics in most cases, but he is a rational conservative, who is capable of putting rational ideas on the table in order to have a reasonable debate, and as long as people like David Frum are not considered conservative enough for this brand of conservatism, then this brand of conservatism will pose just as much of a threat to this country as the Pakistani Taliban.

Peadawg

May 17th, 2010
9:26 am

Road Scholar, I voted for the lesser of two evils in 2008. Neither candidate was a good choice. But I voted for experience.

Rev Al Sharptongue

May 17th, 2010
9:27 am

Joel,Change- yes it is coming. If one could annul a Presidency, the country would do it. How bad do you have to be to cause this action- pretty bad**. Last weeks blogs demonstrated that the far left incorrectly view themselves as the moral beacon of the country**. I assume as your wonderful child (I say that in full sincerity) Ms. Tucker grows you will see that you want her to receive what is her due her and your hard work. You will realize that sharing is good and moral, but it too has bounds.

I think its your ilk who think they are the moral beacon of society. Hence your need to push conservative right wing bigotry onto people.

You constantly hear them say Obama is not doing what America wants, and what America wants is usually whatever they believe in at the moment. regardless of what the polls say they want to take America back….back to the 50’s when Jim crowe and KKK reigned supreme.

If this was 1950 Jennifer Colotl would have been either taken from her jail cell or removed from her home and killed by some patriotic Americans who feel they are somehow morally superior to others.
**The tea party is just a toothless lynch mob, a call to arms by a few dead enders from the John Birch Society,Council for Concerned Citizens and the good old KKK**

Kamchak

May 17th, 2010
9:29 am

If my daddy had named me after a chain-smoking sociopath, I’d have issues too.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 17th, 2010
9:31 am

Dear kamchak, at risk of noting the obvious, “If my daddy had not named you after a chain-smoking sociopath, you’d have issues too.”

Dee keith

May 17th, 2010
9:31 am

(Its the whole intellectual dishonesty thing from the right wing that most rational people see right through. Even though they know something is factually wrong they will continue to lie and distort to no end. A real irrational and cowardly way to go through life)

Rev Al Sharptongue don’t forget they actually get mad when they are proven to be wrong. I have come to the conclusion that conservatives don’t have a problem being ignorant, they just have a problem being told that they are ignorant, and that some how is a violation of their rights.

Granny Godzilla

May 17th, 2010
9:33 am

Morning Rags

Funny the minute I heard Dick Morris forecast a “blow out” in November
I reviewed his past record of election prognostication and felt
secure that Democratic losses in the mid terms would be no greater
than the historical trends.

Worst Pundit In America: Dick Morris (In A Landslide)</A

DeKalb Conservative

May 17th, 2010
9:35 am

Good post! I like that the MSM keeps shunning the power and ambition of the Tea Party movement. As one of America’s newest, and perhaps, one of its largest minority voting groups, it has shown an ability to connect with people that are both of the following 1) taxpayers 2) voters.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 17th, 2010
9:35 am

Dee keith

May 17th, 2010
9:24 am

The only thing u agree with is what Obama tells you is right and good and of course…,…..,…..FAIR!

Rev Al Sharptongue

May 17th, 2010
9:35 am

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 17th, 2010
9:23 am

Good morning all. I fully endorse the views of our friend MidSouth @ 8:56 above. A couple of months ago, when Dick Morris first began to forecast a “blow-out” in November, I thought it hyperbole to sell a book. While I acknowledge regarding poli-sci as a voodoo science, I believe Morris is a genius and greatly admire his track record. Like our friend MidSouth, I sense a potential blow-out in November. Strangely Karl Rove says the Republican victories will not be overwhelming; playing down expectations?

WOW!! he said he thinks Dick Morris is a genius and he admires his track record?

I hope that is sarcasm WOW!!

blutto

May 17th, 2010
9:37 am

CT: “the GOP’s continuing self-immolation”

When lefties start whining about the GOP’s self-destruction you can bet that they are very, very afraid.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 17th, 2010
9:37 am

Dear Granny @ 9:30, good morning. Read the link, that seems to verify Morris’s accuracy on practically every point. Why do they call it “worst prognosticator?”

Granny Godzilla

May 17th, 2010
9:39 am

Oh Rags!

It’s a lovely night ain’t it?

A Lumpkin Resident

May 17th, 2010
9:39 am

Look at the above. Instead of trying the convince the Tea Party by the power of your ideology, you Democrats just insulted them with every nasty insult that is fit to print in this column.
It always amazes me that the left attempts to neutralizing the Tea Party movement by insulting and dismissing them. In the political spectrum, if I told you that you are an bigoted idiot brain dead racist for belonging to party “X”, would you quit party “X” and join party “Y”? Or would it just increase your resolve to see party “X” succeed (ESPECIALLY if you were none of those things they claimed)? Instead of attacking the party or it’s members, it is much more affective to attack the party platform or policies using reason. If I was a Tea Party activist reading the above, it would MORE than convince me that the Democratic party is NOT where I want to be. Keep it up. The Democrats are losing the middle by insult and intimidation. The Libertarians, Independents and Republicans may disagree on the war, on marijuana reform, and on so many other areas, but we are agreed that an explosion of welfare is NOT the direction our country should be taking.

Robert Littel

May 17th, 2010
9:39 am

Rand Paul, named in honor of his father’s Objectivist hero, Ayn Rand, is just a continuation of the absurd ideology that sprang from a woman who advocated selfish accumulation of wealth by those clever enough to steal it and then, blaming those not clever enough to jump on the elitist gravy train and steal their cut of the finite pie for all of society’s problems. The Libertarian/Tea party rationale has been exploited by one small segment of the population (corporatist wealthy) to justify greed, and then place the blame on the victims (everybody else) not playing the game, or playing it well enough to build a cushion of power to protect their own interests. The entire rationale is a con played on the entire population, with the generally disinterested mass in the middle given just enough (but not too much) incentive to believe in the nebulous American Dream where the lie that anyone can climb to the heights and become greedily wealthy too. The game is rigged and is nothing more than a highly restricted lottery, that we buy into with the sweat of our labor, that funnels the benefits to the very top, where fully 1/2 of all wealth sits in the pockets of only about 4000 individuals. A permanent underclass (the poor) are maintained in their position to act as the fall guy when the few at the top need someone to focus the anger of the middle when the manipulated system malfunctions, or is deliberately thrown off kilter by explosions of greed, like occurred in our recent economic crisis. As long as the Ultra-wealthy have a cadre of propaganda driven, doctrinaire absolutist fools, like 95% of the people who respond to this forum, they can continue the sham to its logical conclusion when we end up a totalitarian clone of Guatemala. To those on the Right, you are being used and are to stupid to realize it.

ctucker

May 17th, 2010
9:40 am

Yes, Dee keith, Frum is a rational conservative who still speaks out. Most of them — the few who are left — are in hiding.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 17th, 2010
9:43 am

Dear Ms. Tucker @ 9:40, you could have added “or abandon conservatism entirely.” Of course, “rational” has a different meaning for conservatives. When a leftist says “rational” it means someone who agrees with the big government ideology of leftists. When a conservative says “rational” it means someone who develops an argument step-by-step.

Rev Al Sharptongue

May 17th, 2010
9:43 am

LUMPKIN It always amazes me that the left attempts to neutralizing the Tea Party movement by insulting and dismissing them. In the political spectrum, if I told you that you are an bigoted idiot brain dead racist for belonging to party “X”, would you quit party “X” and join party “Y”? Or would it just increase your resolve to see party “X” succeed (ESPECIALLY if you were none of those things they claimed)? Instead of attacking the party or it’s members, it is much more affective to attack the party platform or policies

Fine if they had a platform or some policies. Yelling socialist, witch doctor, and take my country back all day is not a policy

Wow....

May 17th, 2010
9:45 am

….he really scares you to death, doesn’t he, Ms. Tucker?

Joel

May 17th, 2010
9:45 am

X- you are spot on. Politics, like the world are indeed round- the further left you go you run into Cheney and Palin- if only it resulted in the Lost island.

Granny Godzilla

May 17th, 2010
9:45 am

Dick Morris: When he predicts doom, expect sunshine

Too funny.

I’m hoping for a Rand Paul win today.

I hear he likes DeMint for Minority Leader…

X

May 17th, 2010
9:47 am

ctucker: Last time I checked, the “rational conservatives” (i.e. your fellow neo-conservatives) were hardly “in hiding”. It’s kind of hard to hide when you’re on television.

blutto

May 17th, 2010
9:48 am

Robert Littel: “finite pie” … “permanent underclass”

In those four words you perfectly capture the ignorance of the left when it comes to matters of economics.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 17th, 2010
9:48 am

Conservative definition of rational: read the argument and try to break it. You will rarely find a weak link in any chain developed by Walter E. Williams. Ann Coulter marshals facts better than any other pundit. Tom Sowell can make even the hardest issues comprehensible. On the other hand, when did you ever see a step-by-step argument by a leftist? Probably not since Moynihan died.

Steve Dasbach

May 17th, 2010
9:50 am

Rand is short for Randall. He chose the nickname himself. He wasn’t named after Ayn Rand.

jconservative

May 17th, 2010
9:53 am

“…tea party movement continues to defy common sense.”

I would “change common sense” to “political sense”. The problem Paul is facing is by running to the right in the primary he risks losing the independents in a general election. This is why he is backing off of some Libertarian principles and moving to the left on foreign policy/military policy. Good political sense to do that.

And this is a similiar position the Tea Party finds itself locked into come the general election. If they cannot win the general election they are losers.

attila

May 17th, 2010
9:55 am

Gee, the tea party movement scares people-I guess all those middle-aged docile white people are enough to scare anyone, yes even an editorial board at the ajc and its editor-oohh scary stuff!

Dee keith

May 17th, 2010
9:58 am

(The only thing u agree with is what Obama tells you is right and good and of course…,…..,…..FAIR!)

Cynthia is Sexy!! I don’t pay a lot of attention to what the POTUS says, because i’m usually busy thinking for people like you. I think the biggest crime that you and sluggish minded people like you have commited is that because you don’t produce reality based ideas, this Pres. can get by on passing legislation that I may not like, but is something as opposed to NO!

Auburn Fan

May 17th, 2010
10:00 am

Why do they make fun of Tea Party movement if it does not matter? I used to know people that made fun of Barrack Hussein Obama for President.

Terry Taylor

May 17th, 2010
10:05 am

The day Cynthia Tucker is qualified to define “common sense” is the day Satan coaches a hockey team from Hell. I am a moderate Democrat and have no horse in the Kentucky Reublican race. It is OK that a son has different opinions than his father – really, it is – and it is OK that he changes his mind. Any politician who does not learn and grow is useless. Reagan, Obama, Clinton, Specter and even Dennis Kucinich have all changed their minds over time.

On an unrelated subject – yesterday’s editorial titled “An uproar free of all pretense” was, how should I put it, plain stupid. I learned that it’s OK for a self-described liberal to say those troubled by our inability to define who enters the USA and avails themselves of our goods, services, benefits and society are guilty of “brutal, racially tinged nativism – seeking scapegoats for economic failure, unsettled by demographis upheaval, unable to cope with a flatter world.” All of us.

Huh? I learned as a liberal in my student years in the ’70s that stereotyping was wrong. Now I’ve learned that it’s wrong unless Ms. Tucker does the sterotyping.

Ms. Tucker’s next editorial ought to include a list of developed countries that do not control their borders and legal entry in the country. And, Ms. Tucker, you cannot conflate a desire to have legal immigration standards with being anti-immigrant.

As for Arizona’s crime rate, which Ms. Tucker says is actually down, here’s a quote from msnbc.com on Jan. 11, 2010 on kidnapping in Phoenix:
“The abductions are occurring in the Phoenix area at the rate of practically one per day, and police suspect they have led to killings in which bound and bullet-riddled bodies have been found dumped in the desert.

“The kidnap victims are typically drug or immigrant-smugglers, who are seen as inviting targets because they have a lot of money, they can raise large sums of cash on short notice, and they are unlikely to go to the police, for fear their own shady dealings will come to light.”

Yep, seems like everything’s OK.

As for the student in question at KSU, it’s funny to hear that she is outraged. At what??? That she was caught? It’s not fair to get caught!!! Ms. Tucker acknowledges that Ms. Colotl entered the country illegally at 10. She also remained illegally as an adult and paid in-state tuition when she was not eligible for it. And I wonder: what Social Security number does she have? Has she paid taxes? And isn’t it cute that she wants to go to law school. Delightful. I”m sure the terrible system will “make” her lie about her citizenship when she asks to be admitted to the bar. That’s the fault of all the nativists.

Joel

May 17th, 2010
10:06 am

Dee Keith- interesting your choice of words- “crime”. Again the moral beacon at play. “my opinions are in the minority, so I need to be able to judge like a king- screw the rest of you folks.” See you at the next mensa meeting. The best thinkers are those who know others in fact have (and have a right to) an opinion.

blutto

May 17th, 2010
10:10 am

Dee keith: “as long as people like David Frum are not considered conservative enough for this brand of conservatism, then this brand of conservatism will pose just as much of a threat to this country as the Pakistani Taliban.”

Okay! You go hold hands with the Taliban and I’ll stay here and take my chances with those scary Tea Party folks.

Jethro

May 17th, 2010
10:13 am

“…he will serve as fuel for the GOP’s continuing self-immolation.” Hit the nail on the head. It’s much needed. Now if we could just get the liberals to back of the Democrat party, we can start having some substantive debates, instead of the “who’s trying to out-extreme whom” blather.

Tealiban Party

May 17th, 2010
10:14 am

The Tea Baggers are like whining 2 years old. They are kicking and screaming because they didn’t get their way. Until the Tea Baggers start offering solutions instead of just making demands, they will never be taken seriously.

saywhat?

May 17th, 2010
10:14 am

People make fun of the teaparty because they are FUNNY. duh. It started out with them unwittingly referring to themselves, early on in the movement, as “teabaggers”, and the hilarity has been non-stop since then.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 17th, 2010
10:19 am

Tea partiers believe leftists should be allowed to tea bag each other.

Dee keith

May 17th, 2010
10:24 am

(Okay! You go hold hands with the Taliban and I’ll stay here and take my chances with those scary Tea Party folks.)

blutto the scary thing is that the Taliban hates america, and they use the lives of muslims to justify it fair, or unfair. Conservatives cling to whatever comes out of the asses of Sister Sarah, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh, regardless of how idiotic it is. It is truly scary when you make the Taliban seem RATIONAL.

neo-Carlinist

May 17th, 2010
10:26 am

CT, you lost me when you used the word “nuttier” to describe some of Ron Paul’s views. Call me “nutty” but I think both the left (healthcare reform) and the right (homeland security/pre-emptive wars) have their share of “nutty” views. and while I am not ready to declare 9/11 an inside job, think about the way the media dismissed and discredited Jim Garrison when he sought information after the JFK assassination? shape-shifting is not necessarily a bad thing in an non-mainstream politician. I see politicians like Rand Paul (and his father) as the by-product of our pointless two-party system. No politician is going to please everyone on every issue, and I salute Paul for rejecting the “you’re either for us or against us” approach to politics. What some call “flip flop” I call pragmatism and growth. Each issue has its own dynamic and to attempt to seek “mainstream” political solutions to fringe issues, gets us exactly what we have every four years; “tweedle dee or tweedle dumb”?

Jethro

May 17th, 2010
10:27 am

Some tea partiers believe we should talk to each other instead of scream political mantras at each other. Mantras on both sides. There’s no discussion any more – only sound bites and one liners. We forget that the people are supposed to define the party, and not the other way around.

ctucker

May 17th, 2010
10:38 am

neo-Carlinist, I agree that politicians sometimes change their positions due to “growth,” but that doesn’t seem to be the case with Rand Paul and Gitmo. Since he is now, more or less, denying that he ever supporting closing the facility, it seems more likely that he changed his mind due to political expediency.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 17th, 2010
10:49 am

Dear Ms. Tucker @ 10:38, many of us think that “not closing GTMO” after proclaiming need to do so would be evidence of intellectual growth. Surely the venue-abyss in which Mr. Holder finds his KSM trial, and the current state department inability to find a “sanctuary” – either domestic or foreign – for many of the angels of that Cuban facility would suggest the administration is also “growing” in that direction?

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 17th, 2010
10:51 am

” seems more likely that he changed his mind due to political expediency.”

Well he certainly would be qualified to run for political office.

neo-Carlinist

May 17th, 2010
10:52 am

CT, maybe so, but as I said, is there a difference between sticking to the party line for political expediency, as opposed to changing one’s mind for political expediency? the former produces what we have (a pathetic “two party” system). at least the latter leads to change. re: Gitmo, it’s a mess. even Obama has “changed” his tune (did he not assure Americans it would be closed in a year?” Gitmo needs to be closed ASAP, with P being the important initial (P standing for possible not politically expedient). but my point is, I don’t find Rand’s dad to by “nutty”. I am a lower case l libertarian, so I don’t agree with much of Papa Paul’s views, but I don’t view them as “nutty”. the same holds true for some of the more media-savvy tea party types and media types looking to make hay off the tea party movement. if the status quo were acceptable, the mainstream would offer solutions. I’m not saying either Paul has all the solutions, but let’s allow them a couple at bats before we calculate their batting averages.

HDB

May 17th, 2010
10:54 am

@ Ragnar…Good morning!!

The problem that no one is really noticing is that when a politician plays to the crowd and adopts mob mentality, EVERYONE loses!! The mentality of the Tea Party mob reminds me of the mob mentality of the 1950’s and 60’s when politicians and people blocked the entrances of lunch counters and universities……..

I understand passionate discourse….but passion without logic is nothing but noise!!

The passion, IMHO, seems quite misplaced…..why is the passion so noticable NOW when the problems commenced in 2001??

First Sergeant

May 17th, 2010
10:54 am

Brutus

May 17th, 2010
9:03 am

“Is a country that hasn’t attacked anyone in several hundred years really more of a threat than a government that is plunging us into depression while handing our money to its pet industries?”

What country are you referring? Certainly not the US.

T-Town

May 17th, 2010
10:55 am

If, as you say, “tea party movement continues to defy common sense” and others that support your position by stating ” People make fun of the teaparty because they are FUNNY. duh. It started out with them unwittingly referring to themselves, early on in the movement, as “teabaggers”, and the hilarity has been non-stop since then” or the “Fine if they had a platform or some policies. Yelling socialist, witch doctor, and take my country back all day is not a policy” then why does the left and certain members on the right fear them? If this group is so inconsequential, why not as the old saying goes: just ignore them and they will fade away?

ctucker

May 17th, 2010
10:57 am

t-Town, I don’t “fear” them. But I do think that their ability to knock rational conservatives (Like Bennett of Utah) out of Congress is bad for the country.

Kamchak

May 17th, 2010
11:04 am

then why does the left and certain members on the right fear them?

Why do you assume that I respond with “fear” to everything that I disagree with?

John Birch

May 17th, 2010
11:09 am

Cynthia says we need more law-breaking illegal aliens and then purports to know something about common sense! This is my last post on this idiot’s blog.

Granny Godzilla

May 17th, 2010
11:10 am

Kamchak

May 17th, 2010
11:11 am

This is my last post on this idiot’s blog.

If only! :roll:

T-Town

May 17th, 2010
11:13 am

Ms. Tucker; There are irrational members of both the left and right (and as I’m finding out irrational Independents to). I’m curious when you say “But I do think that their ability to knock rational conservatives (Like Bennett of Utah) out of Congress is bad for the country” what exactly is a rational conservative from a left’s prospective, one that is close to the left’s way of thinking? This TP, to most liberals, is just a bunch of old folks getting together to bitch, do you think there is maybe more to it?

And to Kamchak, I see we are still condescending as ever.

ROHANNIG

May 17th, 2010
11:16 am

The last time the republican party demonstrated commom sense was when Eisenouer was President. After that it started to descend into trying to to be be an opposition party regardless of the issue at hand. When Reagen became president they grabbed onto the “Big Government” kick. That seemed to pre-empt a new gimmick to base their hopes on. I used to ba a member of this nut group, however Goldwater was the last one I ever voted for.

Kamchak

May 17th, 2010
11:18 am

And to Kamchak, I see we are still condescending as ever.

Well I do try so hard not to disappoint my fans.

Some People are stupid

May 17th, 2010
11:19 am

T-Town-
I think a rational conservative is one that comes to the table with ideas, listens to the other sides idea and then come to some sort of compromise, as opposed to just saying no to every thing the other side says just for political points.

Mallory

May 17th, 2010
11:20 am

Ms. Tucker, normally a leftists, such as yourself, would welcome the likes of a Rand Paul because he would pull votes away from the Republicans. In this political climate, he will pull from Democrats too.

T-Town

May 17th, 2010
11:21 am

“Well I do try so hard not to disappoint my fans.”

And, you reinforce my point so well.

blutto

May 17th, 2010
11:22 am

Dee keith: “It is truly scary when you make the Taliban seem RATIONAL.”

Only in your mind does such a phenomenon exist. It is you who argued that conservatives who disagree with Mr. Frum are “… as much of a threat to this country as the Pakistani Taliban.”

A more irrational statement cannot be imagined.

T-Town

May 17th, 2010
11:24 am

Some People; While what you say is true, the game is played by all in politics.

Michael K.

May 17th, 2010
11:24 am

Of course Cynthia thinks that ousting guys like Bennett is bad for the country – it represents a move to the right we she despises. Democrats are going to take a big hit in November and it scares the pants off of lefties like Cynthia that, instead of electing political opportunists like Arlen Specter or Mitt Romney, we might actually elect some limited government types.

HAHA

May 17th, 2010
11:25 am

Cynthia is an irrational lib

Scout

May 17th, 2010
11:26 am

Russ555:

You totally missed the point. It’s the people who might come after Miss USA we have to worry about.

There are three types of Islam:

1) Westernized Islam – a minority of Muslims in the U.S. are in this category. They worship Allah in sincerity but they also (because of their education and secularization) embrace freedom and Western democracy. They fear the other two forms of Islam probably as much as we do.

2) Basic Islam – most Muslims in the world fall into this category and many live in the U.S. They embrace Islam in its unbridled totality (educational, societal, legal, military, religious, etc.,). They may not individually murder or terrorize in the name of Allah/Islam but neither to they verbally condemn those who do. Radical Islam recruits from their ranks. This type of Islam must be marginalized in the U.S. as much as possible (including immigration) or given enough time and volume it will ensure the destruction of this Republic as we know it.

3) Radical Islam – these types of Muslims will stop at nothing to physically force their vicious schism of Islam on the world. They are pure evil and every effort must be made to totally eradicate their influence and existance from the face of the earth.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 17th, 2010
11:40 am

Please be aware it wasnt the Pentagon, that on the Natl Day of Prayer, wouldnt allow Billy Grahams son to speak. It was Obama that uninvited him.

blutto

May 17th, 2010
11:41 am

Some people are stupid: ” … as opposed to just saying no to every thing the other side says just for political points.”

No to big government. No to higher taxes. No to illegal immigration. No to government health care. No to the continued distortion of the Constitution. No to courts that rule by “feelings” rather than by law. No to a judiciary that legislates. No to Supreme Court nominees who possess “empathy” but lack experience. No to presidential candidates who read well but who lack experience, knowledge and an appreciation for free markets, capitalism and freedom. No to politicians whose only principle is getting re-elected. No to “hope and change” and to the redistribution of wealth. No to those who never let a “crisis” go to waste. And no to those who, in the name of helping some, harm us all.

I'm here from the Government and I'm here to help!

May 17th, 2010
11:45 am

All I need to remember is the following quote!

From Audacity of Hope: by B. Obama
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Catch Up

May 17th, 2010
12:00 pm

No to big government (Bush’s Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008?). No to higher taxes (Like Bush’s tax less, spend more deficits?). No to illegal immigration. No to government health care (like what Bush proposed in 2007?). No to the continued distortion of the Constitution (illegal wire taps?). No to courts that rule by “feelings” rather than by law. No to a judiciary that legislates (Citizens United v Federal Election Commitee?). No to Supreme Court nominees who possess “empathy” but lack experience (Clarence Thomas?). No to presidential candidates who read well but who lack experience, knowledge and an appreciation for free markets, capitalism and freedom (OK Bush couldn’t read – but has Obama shut down our markets?). No to politicians whose only principle is getting re-elected (McCain?). No to “hope and change” and to the redistribution of wealth. No to those who never let a “crisis” go to waste (Rove). And no to those who, in the name of helping some, harm us all (Palin?).

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 17th, 2010
12:00 pm

Buycott.com…check it out.

blutto

May 17th, 2010
12:13 pm

Catch Up: No.

Try to get over the blame Bush myopia. He did what he did. For better or for worse, it is done.

President Obama, on the other hand, is now in charge. While I am sure it gives you both comfort and cover to continue blaming the current administration’s poor performance on the past president, at some point you will have to wake up to the fact that we are now being governed by elite lefties who want nothing more than to control every aspect of our lives and will stop at nothing to do so.

Paul and Ayn Rand

May 17th, 2010
12:14 pm

I have to congratulate Ragnar Danneskjold, whose achievement in punditry, debate, and logic has certainly won votes for the right.

An avid reader, (a book a day; never mind it’s the same book, “Atlas Shrugs”), Ragnar manipulates Democrats like hapless slugs. Unfairly, some think he’s as rude as the double dip he keeps praying to his Own Image for, (a double dip would ruin any party, Democrats no exception).

Ragnar is a crack mouthpiece who persuades not so much step-by-step as inch-by-inch. He grasps an airy confidence in his own debating skills, where he dangles skillfully-shaved premises and then swings them in ways which leaves him holding the winning pair.

This blog is in good hands.

Stay briefed my friends.

Oxymoron

May 17th, 2010
12:14 pm

The Tea Party movement is really chapping Cynthia’s arse right now.

Catch Up

May 17th, 2010
12:26 pm

blutto
May 17th, 2010
12:13 pm

Not the point. I don’t agree with everything Obama does, just as I don’t agree with everything Congress does. Where was your (and the Tea Bagger) outrage 2 years ago?

Alatsea

May 17th, 2010
12:30 pm

Why do those on the left espouse that they are the beacons of all that is fair and right, and then name call and belittle anyone who does not agree with them? That is a childish, ignorant and self indulging view right up there with radical Muslims, oh, excuse me according to you they don’t exist. BO is a talking head nothing more, he is not a leader. When will he face the press again?

blutto

May 17th, 2010
12:55 pm

Catch Up: “Where was your … outrage 2 years ago?”

For those who are informed enough to realize its dangers, bloated oppressive government is always an outrage. For those who like yourself seem to prefer a nanny, government cannot grow too large or tax too much.

As for the childish “Tea Bagger” reference, it really does do nothing to make your argument stronger.

HDB

May 17th, 2010
1:02 pm

Alatsea May 17th, 2010
12:30 pm
Why do those on the right espouse that they are the beacons of all that is fair and right, and then name call and belittle anyone who does not agree with them, call then unpatriotic, un-American, and treasonous?? Why do those on the right profess that they are for all people becoming prosperous, but skew their philosophies to allow a minority to hold and maintain the majority of a nation’s wealth while simultaneously ignoring the majority of the population??

Your statement DOES have a countering corollary………

Catch Up

May 17th, 2010
1:06 pm

blutto
May 17th, 2010
12:55 pm

The same can be said for your generalizations when making your arguments. “No Big Government” or “No Distortion of the Constitution.”

I cite specifics, and you resort to the “elite leftist liberal nanny government” name calling. Start citing examples and solutions instead of repeating your conservative talk show talking points.

HDB

May 17th, 2010
1:07 pm

@Catch Up and blutto

Selective outrage is a conservative idiom…..they are outraged if a Democrat focuses on the needs of the nation by insuring that ALL people have the opportunity for prosperity whereas when a Republican ficuses on the needs of the few by insuring the wealthy continue to receive tax breaks, there is silence!

When a Republican takes war-spending off the books and shifts spending to states via unfunded mandates, conservatives are quiet…but when A Democrat HAS to spend to correct the failures of the Republican, the cacaphony speaks volumes!!

The question I’ve continued to ask…but no conservative has answered to my satisfaction: Where was this volume of dissent from the right when the nation was getting BUSHwhacked??

blutto

May 17th, 2010
1:24 pm

Catch Up: “I cite specifics”

Yes but generally incorrect. If you need specific examples to illustrate that government is grown too large and far beyond the limits placed upon it by the Constitution and that courts in legislating from the bench have exceeded their constitutional authority and that individual freedom is being dismantled bit by bit and that spending is out of control; then you will not be helped by a few examples spoon fed to you.

blutto

May 17th, 2010
1:30 pm

HDB@ 1:07.

Sometimes I think that you really believe that stuff you spout. But as I believe in the ability of knowledge to make men free, I will hold out hope for you.

Catch Up

May 17th, 2010
1:32 pm

More fantastic generalizations and assumptions….

HDB

May 17th, 2010
1:42 pm

blutto May 17th, 2010
1:30 pm

I know that knowledge is power…..and experience is a great teacher!! I’m always grasping for more/new knowledge….but experience has shown me what is truth and what is theory!! Our experiences will differ….our truths will be likewise!!

C’est la vie!!

Tommy Maddox

May 17th, 2010
2:29 pm

November’s coming. Therefore, this article.

Liberals are not the only ones that are going to be gobbled up by angry Repblicans.

Jason

May 17th, 2010
2:59 pm

You also probably defy intelligence greater than your cheesy blogspot and subscribe to the idea that money grows on trees, right? My one disagreement with Ron Paul is the Fed. I only say that because I think the Fed is so far up *blank* creek with a turd for a paddle and can’t fathom what is on their balance sheet. Which I’m sure is why they still want to remain very independent.

NYorker

May 17th, 2010
4:51 pm

“common sense” wow, used to read this op-ed for a while had to stop though. Funny to come back and see this op-ed. Common sense is why i had to stop reading what the left thought….From our Prez all the way down to CT, these progressives just do not GET IT…but soon they will, WE DO NOT WANT YOUR PROGRESSIVE AGENDA. We are the USA not the EU…spoken by an indy voter…cannot stand the left or the right, we need something in the middle

Wahoo

May 17th, 2010
5:05 pm

We are all in trouble when the principles of fiscal restraint and limited government no longer register as common sense.

kayman

May 17th, 2010
8:43 pm

I’m STILL laughing at the “vast majority” remark. Yeah, there is a vast majority and they are young voters (18-34) who are coming of age. According to most studies and research, they are progressive and will likely continue to shift the political system away from regressive policy making and politicians. In other words, this is like watching a ship sink with the way some majority white, rapidly aging, conservative voters act as if this election season is going to be a “takeover”. Oh well, that’s just the rantings of an independent voter that see this as amusement and chuckle-worthy.

sandy

May 17th, 2010
11:48 pm

Ron Paul has never been thought of as “nutty” by his constituiency and Texans alike. Ron Paul will go down as a one of the greatest true statesmen in this generation.

Rand’s dad has served soundly in D.C. since the 70’s. If Rand Paul gets 1/100th of what made his dad serve faithfully according to the Constitution then Kentucky will be proud.

I would give anything to have Ron Paul as President of the United States right now than the central planners we have. Rand has learned about sound economics and money. That’s what concerns Americans.

Stop spending D.C. and pay the bills — quit picking our pockets. I hope Ron and Rand take the Tea Party back from the Neo-cons Palin, Fox News and Gingrich.

Allen

May 19th, 2010
1:57 am

Cynthia is what she disputes. A conspiracy theorist. At least she gets paid to be a weirdo. You can’t beat that with a ball bat.

[...] Paul has some interesting ideas, and is much more of a real libertarian than many others jumping on the tea party [...]

Sarcasm 101

May 19th, 2010
9:58 am

Hey maybe his daddy will run on the Tea-Party ticket for prez next year and save America. America needs saving from the liberal marxist socialist communist orthodontist pianists!

Sarcasm 101

May 19th, 2010
10:03 am

It is okay for Republican leaders to bankrupt the country. Excuse me: WHITE, Republican politicians. Burn all others at the stake.

Moneytree

May 19th, 2010
2:48 pm

Cynthia still operates in a world where America has money and nobody knows social security is insolvent or medicare. What will the older Cynthia leave us the younger people in America, tons of debt. Our standard of living will be less than what it is now. She’ll be long gone. It shows you there is that older generation selfishness that isn’t far from the teenager entitlement chip on the shoulder. Rand Paul made a great point, what is extreme is “two trillion dollar deficits”. You know Barry Goldwater is smiling in his grave right now.

Tod G.

May 19th, 2010
2:52 pm

Nuttier views? How about views you don’t agree with. The sooner we stop intolerance for other peoples’ views, the better. And the pigeon-holing of people in this country into two distinct boxes, “conservative” and “liberal” is deliberate and a time-tested way to divide and distract them from what is critical at this time. Like that we have over $50T in public and private debt in the US, so much so that servicing it costs so much that the GDP is negatively impacted by it.

What caused this? Interest charged on money created that is never created to pay it back. Not having enough money to pay all debts means more must be created to pay those debts, incurring more debt. This is the world’s largest Ponzi scheme, and its blowing up now. In fact, for the cost of the average goods you buy, about 50% of that cost is because of interest incurred in the creation of those goods. Yes, prices double because of interest, and there is permanent scarcity of money.

Look around you and realize this is the cause of the economic hardship, why both family members must work to get by, why taxes are increasing and services cut. More money does not stimulate the economy, it collapses it.

We had a sound monetary system in the Colonial days called scrip, the best of which was in Pennsylvania. No inflation and prosperity for over 50 years. The British ruined this system because there was no inflation here and that ruined their supply of cheap goods. They banned it and put in place the “British System”, similar to what we have today, and the result was poverty and unemployment. And a revolution. Yes, not because of tea tax, that was just a symptom. Ben Franklin said this, no less.

SteveJ

May 19th, 2010
11:04 pm

Talk about missing the mark Cynthia,

Tucker echoes the same things leftists said in 1980 about Ronald Reagan.

Carter and the democrats were “overjoyed” that Republicans were “shooting themselves in the foot” by nominating an “extremist.”

The most radical thing I have witnessed in the last 40-50 years of following the Republican Party is neoconservative foreign policy — which is neither conservative or liberal — simply nonsense. And one of the people Tucker quotes, David Frum, is one of their number one cheerleaders — a man with no credibility.

And the “self-immolation” of the Republican Party Tucker talks about was caused by George W. Bush — not by anything Rand Paul espouses.